Is The Sony Spider-Man Universe Some Kind Of Elaborate Joke?

[@tappajavittu]

While I was watching the Madame Web trailer, for a minute or so I thought it was a fake trailer edited from some shoddy, amateurish Spider-Man fan films and other films, then I saw Adam Scott and got worried and then I realized it's a real trailer and laughed hard. Very, very hard. Amazing.

[@tonoornottono]

i think the suit design direction is really cool but in practice it looks cheap.

[@theextracrispycolonel9502]

The only thing i felt bad about in Morbius was that THAT was the film they got Matt Smith for, and he probably only did it because his friend from his Dr Who days (Karen Gillian/Nebula) probably told him that Marvel movies are a BLAST to do. Funny thing us, I still maintain Matt Smith was the best part of Morbius.

[@HistorySkate]

I wish Matt smith would go away so I’d never have to look at his stupid swollen no eye brow having mishapen face ever again.

[@Immortal2022]

I don't know about that. My understanding is that Karen Gillian is a massive marvel nerd, and must know that anything Marvel that's not MCU is a huge gamble. While the MCU was at its peak and prior to Venom, Sony put out the Amazing Spider-Man Films and Ghost Rider 2. Meanwhile every Marvel TV show expect for arguably Daredevil was floundering. We have hindsight now, but still anyone who looks past the surface must know that the MCU and Morbius were going to be completely different, so I wouldn't blame his inclusion on Gillian.

[@thevagabond1314]

@@Immortal2022 Matt literally said one of the reasons he didn’t was because Karen told him doing Marvel movies was fun, it’s not speculation

[@Immortal2022]

@@thevagabond1314 wow that really is upsetting

[@frank_calvert]

for an original character lucian feels extremely fitting in the world

[@noahknight4039]

They should have just used Venom and went full Lethal Protector. I’m fine with Venom fighting Morbius, Kraven and such.

[@GriseldaFlacco]

Agreed

[@yozorayazawa4421]

Yeah and having Maximum Carnage as the Endgame like ending

[@Homunculus97]

I think it is pretty hilarious and telling that Morbius, a movie about a vampire has way less blood and gore/light body horror than a Marvel studios movie like Dr Strange Into the Multiverse of Madness despite both having the same age rating, how the fuck do you make Disney look more risqué by comparison? Thats a fucking undertaking.

[@DrFranklynAnderson]

According to their contract when they bought the Spider-Man movie right, Sony MUST release a live-action Spider-Man movie every five years. Otherwise they lose those rights and they revert to Marvel Entertainment. That’s actually why the MCU exists at all-the rights for Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, and Hulk were at different studios but all reverted around the same time. But when it became clear they’d have to reboot again after ASM2, they chose to sub-license their rights to Marvel Studios (technically a subset of Marvel Entertainment at the time) to bring Spidey into the MCU. Part of that agreement was that they couldn’t use Spider-Man in films they produced themselves, but they _still_ have to keep making movies based on Spider-Man characters to keep the rights. So they made Venom, which was popular and got fans wanting to see Spidey vs. Venom, and they made Into the Spider-Verse (animated movies don’t seem to count towards the “every five years” requirement) which was VERY popular. Remember after Far From Home when it was announced Tom Holland’s Spider-Man was leaving the MCU? That was on purpose. He’d been contracted with Sony to make three Spider-Man movies, but Sony had only contracted with Marvel Studios to make _two_ Spider-Man movies. Sony was going to pull Tom Holland into the Venom-verse and hope general audiences didn’t know the difference between Sony’s Marvel Superheroes movies and the then-popular MCU. But fan backlash was too great, so they renegotiated with Marvel Studios. That’s why Tom Hardy was at the end of No Way Home and Vulture was at the end of Morbius. They’re trying to link the MCU to the movies they still have to release for contractual reasons via the “multiverse” idea. The ultimate plan-originally with Andrew Garfield-was to have Spidey go up against the Sinister Six. It seems they’re still trying to build to that, and will either take the rights to Spider-Man himself back or force the MCU to use their established villains in, say, Spider-Man 6.

[@DrFranklynAnderson]

Frak me, Spider-Man 6. _Sinister_ Six. I’ve been following Spider-Man studio rights drama so long I got into their heads-that’s ABSOLUTELY what they’re planning… 🤦‍♀️

[@TheoJay615]

"it's morbin' time" "it's kraven' time" "it's webbin' time"

[@MrAjking808]

Never was funny

[@Kalizoid]

@@MrAjking808you just don’t know how to properly morb.

[@johans3164]

Cant wait till all the Madames webbed all over the Morb and Kravin until they cant Kravin no more. Its going to be one of the most moment of all time

[@Anakin_TheChosenOne1]

It s Maeven time!😂

[@josephlikely3849]

It's Sonyin' Time1

[@omegamaximus1727]

What I don’t about the Live Action SSU is that no Spider-Man. How could you have villains with no Spider-Man. Spider-Man is the main reason why these characters exist. It’s like making Superman Universe, focusing on his villains but no Superman.😠😡😠😡.

[@adiasdiante1010]

It's utterly ridiculous

[@pzimmy76]

Agreed 100 percent! Especially Venom. His entire origin was completely based off of Spider-Man in the comics.

[@Ace_of_Horns]

I like how they dared to tease that Morbius and Venom were in the same universe as the MCU with that spiderman "murderer" poster in the Morbius trailer. But they reeled that in pretty quick.

[@omegamaximus1727]

I felt betrayed.

[@DrFranklynAnderson]

Legally, they _can’t_ use Spider-Man. That was part of the contract when Sony sub-licensed their movie rights to Marvel Studios.

[@TheBeaverFiles]

I feel like Venom is the only one who’s even remotely pulled it off so far

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Even then those movies were a waste of great potential, especially Let there Carnage.

[@TheBeaverFiles]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp eh, if you just pretend like Venom has nothing to do with Spider-Man(which they do pretty good with in my opinion), then the movies are cool

[@kingshabazz1310]

Which is why this video is overreacting. Venom 1 and 2 made money and were decent. Morbius is the only bomb. The other movies haven't even been released to make judgement on them.

[@Riqo2Suave]

Venom w/o Spider-Man isn’t venom

[@thevagabond1314]

@@Riqo2SuaveWell Venom in Spider-Man 2 had Spider-Man and that still wasn’t a real Venom, so it goes both ways

[@rogueguardian]

I really think THIS IS an elaborate joke from Sony, look at the quality difference from these movies to the Spider-verse films. It's not even a contest.

[@j.t.fletcher2214]

I think they should have made everyone just in the periphery of a Spiderman universe. Like Spiderman is built up like Fire Lord Ozai we don't see his face until the big team up movie

[@ross3986]

If they really wanted a cinematic universe, they should have had Garfield be the main spider man of this cinematic universe but trying to fuse it with the mcu. Come on Sony -_-

[@JohnYourube]

Kevin feige needs the ssu to help boost the mcu ratings

[@klaushassen3954]

It would be fun to see thor fight a sarcastic fat orange cat

[@ross3986]

@@klaushassen3954 that would be the crossover of all time!

[@ImTakingYouToFlavorTown]

Having watched TASM2 a few months back for the first time, I think it is a fairly good movie. Right up until they decided to end it with the death of Gwen Stacy. If they just kept the sinister six set up scene, that would be fine, but that ending with the Green Goblin was stupid.

[@AGBULLIT]

I would refer to King Kong and Godzilla’s universe as a Kaiju Universe. Monster Universe reminds me of failed Universal Studios Dark Universe.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Establishing a Spiderman cinematic universe without including Spiderman? Makes no sense. Sony should just bring back Andrew Garfield Spiderman, or at least his Flash Thompson. Get a decent Agent Venom story. Something more than just make villains into anti heroes. So boring.

[@aaronjackson1493]

Well that's what Amazing Spider Man 3 was going to be about long ago, I heard. But I think they scrapped it. It was gonna have him and Mary Jane be introduced. 💯💯🤦

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@aaronjackson1493 that would've been great!

[@aaronjackson1493]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp But before all that, they should've tried to fix Amazing Spider Man 2 first BEFOREHAND tho, then it would all make sense. Sony forced Venom in Raimi's Spider Man 3 which is why it came out the way it did. 🙄🤷🤦

[@kingshabazz1310]

Who's to say they won't do that? The multiverse makes that possible.

[@dylanburton4955]

I don’t trust Sony to make Amazing Spider-Man 3, they fucked it up with the second one and clearly can’t be trusted to make a live action spider-man on their own anymore They screwed up Spider-Man 3 too so Sony having sole creative control and making it on their own is a bad idea so I don’t really trust them to do ASM3

[@MellowLol]

Bruh I didn’t even know there was a Kraven the Hunter trailer

[@thomashernandez6536]

Morbius and Kraven could've been AMAZING, but nah. We gonna get schlocked

[@lordtrigon1733]

Shoutout to the Conjuring Universe - turning ten years old and still has a 100% box office success rate. Not even the MCU can say that.

[@jvenom174]

The Nun movies do not have 100% on rotten tomatos 😂

[@lordtrigon1733]

@@jvenom174 Didn't say they did...

[@Luis-vv6gw]

Conjuring universe turned to shit after to 3 was ok

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

Pretty sure Curse Of La Llorona failed, It failed so bad that they no longer include it on their Conjuring Universe category

[@lordtrigon1733]

@@jesusramirezromo2037 The reason La Llorona isn't officially canon is because producer Peter Safran wasn't involved which is a contractual requirement for the series. But regardless, whether it is or isn't, it still made a substantial profit. ($123 million on a $9 million budget.)

[@CRUELLANDER]

I think Sony doesn’t know what they want in this universe, they don’t really know what to do with these characters, they have a interesting concept but they just don’t know how to execute it, and the concept is this: Sinister Six Cinematic Universe (SSCU) Which I would’ve actually been interested in and support, but also would prefer the Sinister Six be villains with some Anti-Hero characters like Venom & Kraven: The Hunter for example but not entirely, or if they made them like the Superheroes in The Boys, basically people who think and do whatever they want. I still think a Sinister Six Cinematic Universe is a possibility and should be persue. I really do like the Venom movies, I think it’s the only character that’s actually been good in the SSU. Can’t wait for Venom: The Last Dance.

[@SalveASMR]

Its like the CW but you can watch it in the big screen.

[@Martiancookiehunter365]

It sucks that awesome characters like Venom, Carnage and kraven are getting butchered by these lazy half assed attempts at setting up some cinematic universe that nobody cares about. Ah well at least we have Spider-man 2 giving us good versions of these characters

[@AndyXHDGaming]

Spider-man 2 (ps5) may have the best Venom we’ve seen in ages!

[@philliprosewood7049]

On God like I knew this was gonna be a bad idea and they were like "let's make spider man movies" without spider man not saying it can't work it's just sonys handling of this has been bad since it's inception. And unfortunately it doesn't look like it's gonna get any better what with Kraven and Madame web coming out ugh 😮‍💨 SMH Sony should just stick to everything but LA spider stuff. As it's been 9 years and there still tryna get this sinister six thing going on and their talking about using the madame web movie as a basis to bring tom Holland into this trash universe and I'm like just stop.

[@thedevilsleutice]

⁠@@AndyXHDGamingrecency bias. Venom has to many great appearances in not only video games as not only a playable character but as a villain. Spider-Man 2 has a pretty good venom but let’s not act like he’s only in the game for 10 minutes. While web of shadows did the same plot to a bigger scale, and has the bonus of involving the greater marvel universe with big names like Luke cage, Wolverine, Black Cat, and Moon knight. Like what’s the point of the Baxter or A Tower building being built and not a single appearance from the Fantastic 4, Daredevil, At least the hulk or iron man during a symbiote alien invasion?

[@thevagabond1314]

Good God I’m tired of seeing people wrongfully (Yep, straight up factually wrong I’m that petty) think Insomniac’s Venom is somehow better than Sony’s Venom, say what you will about the films, the criticisms are pretty valid honestly, but the characterisation of Venom in the films is MILES ahead of whatever happened in Spider-Man 2, a game I still love btw, that Venom was the true butcherization of the character. They took a character with charm and personality in the source material, everything Tom Hardy’s Venom had, and turned him into a bland and generic big bad 3rd act monster who is just straight up evil when that isn’t how Venom should be at all, it’s honestly no different than Raimi’s Spider-Man 3 Venom and everyone agree that was a bad adaptation, so why does Insomniac get a pass? The only reason people think it’s a good Venom is because of a great design and of course Tony Todd’s amazing voice, other than that it’s a failure in adapting Venom in every other way.

[@thedevilsleutice]

@@thevagabond1314 thank you. He was in the game for 2 minutes and was just bad guy and potentially killing it off is so stupid and kills all potential for the symbiote becoming a lethal protector like the character we all know love and laugh at.

[@Boricua_User146]

The Dollar Store D List Cinematic Universe

[@JohnYourube]

Is it just a coincidence then that the ssu has THREE movies coming out next year and the mcu only has one? Sounds like ssu is winning

[@johans3164]

​@@JohnYourubek sony executive. U guys are clearly winning lol

[@SkyscannerGuy]

As someone who has worked on an upcoming Sony Spider-Man Universe movie, I will tell you that neither the crew AND cast enjoyed the experience

[@myra-yves]

never forget morbillion dollars

[@theRealmcMoonBall]

never

[@MrAjking808]

Never was funny

[@MetalFaceKillah]

As a lifelong fan of Venom, their first movie captures his 90s Lethal Protector era pretty well. It matches the tone of the comics, Venom 2 is something else though. I did not like their handling of Carnage.

[@kntgaf]

lmao a spiderman based universe wit no spiderman. That’s like making a scream franchise with no ghostface

[@billmcdermott9647]

I think you could make it work, spider man dies fighting the green Goblin. The Goblin dies too and is outed as Norman Osborn. This leads to a city with no protector so each film deals with a villain/anti hero and how they deal with it Film 1. Monster movie where Curt connors turns himself into the lizard becomes more deranged as the transformation goes on…. This brings in Kraven who is looking for a purpose after the death of the spider Film 2. Venom is in full anti hero mode and now tries to become the new hero of New York but his violent nature make him a monster to the populace. He runs afoul of a sadistic serial killer which leads to the arrival of carnage It could work

[@bagussajiwo1036]

@@billmcdermott9647 It could, problem is they're trying to connect their universe with MCU which consider it's structure are not a guarrantee stuff. if they make their universe to differ from MCU it could work but their biggest mistake is that they try to connect it to MCU.

[@benedwards2566]

Only way I can justify why Vulture showed up in Morbius is the same reason a Vulture variant appeared in Across the Spiderverse

[@LateNightHalo]

6:04 is the venom movie really “insane?” Nothing it does is really memorable. It’s not as “what am I watching” as the worst early 2000s superhero movies and beyond the character design, the movie has no charisma or soul. It’s just boring and bland

[@kingbash6466]

If Madame Web does end up eating a dude, then the film's going to be peak.

[@pyr8878]

In the words of the pig killer from Mad Max Beyond the Thunderdome: 'Plan?!..Ain't got no PLAN!! d>_0b

[@BadlyRoy]

Tom Hardy in the first Venom is amazing. Every scene is a new trainwreck, can't look away.

[@phatmantv]

Vulture, Spider, Kraven, Venom, and with our powers combined we make it MORBIN TIME!

[@johans3164]

And they going to be Webbed by all the Madames. Its going to be one of the most movie of all time

[@suicidalloafofbread2009]

Sony needs to stop trying to make Spider-Man movies without Spider-Man. It's insane that they keep making these movies without the character that's the literal linchpin between all these characters and ideas.

[@isaacgogna9856]

I feel like Sony should’ve spent time building up these characters in the mcu spider man movies and could’ve worked out deals to do these projects under the mcu banner if they just had some patience. An agent venom movie could’ve worked really well in the mcu and you can have a sinister six of villains spider man had already fought. Like I just don’t get why you would feel the need to have your a list character in the mcu but not see a need for your b or c list characters connected to that franchise as well.

[@Chineseisntalanguageapparently]

Good question, maybe, until now we’ve been treating it like it is but I’m still not sure

[@Remix-pr4xd]

I’m not sure why they even bothered making movies about the villains. There are plenty of spider people they could’ve made a movie about. .2099 .Noir . Scarlet Spider . Silk . Spider Woman . Superior Spider-Man . Spider Woman . Assassin Spider

[@billmcdermott9647]

I can understand venom. He’s popular and everyone knows him…kraven is the same deal but less so. It’s Madame Webb that feels like it’s scraping the bottom of the barrel because the general audience likely has never heard of her or if they do they know her as an elderly woman

[@uncannydcmarvelous5732]

Ironically they did confirmed live action series for Silk and Noir (albeit a new character in the mantle not Peter) for Amazon Prime.

[@johans3164]

​@@billmcdermott9647dont u remember their iconic plan for Aunt May spinoffs and the almighty El Muerto? Lol

[@billmcdermott9647]

@johans3164 I ​ know you are being sarcastic but at least people would know who Aunt May and might go out of pure curiosity…. El Murto what is that about?

[@johans3164]

@@billmcdermott9647 i have no idea either. It will star a rapper named Bad Bunny. But the project has been cancelled. Seriously. Sony desperation isnt even funny anymorre. Its just sad. They could just focus on the Spiderverse franchise since thats very much well received but....yeah

[@shklaikopskn2107]

Adam Sandler as green goblin? Surely SONY

[@rickblaine9670]

The SSU lost my interest as soon as it was certain they were going to tell Venom’s origin story without Spider-Man. Telling Venom’s story without Spider-Man is literally like telling the Reverse-Flash’s story without the Flash. Like… no. You don’t do that. Many, hell, almost all Spider-Man villains can hypothetically be reinvented in a world where Spidey doesn’t even exist, but the ONE you can’t do that to is Venom. He’s just not Venom anymore. His fu**ing name itself is what it is because the guy wants to dedicate his life to being poison - or, you know… venom - to Peter Parker’s life.

[@angel_in-black]

It’s all just a desperate attempt for Sony to keep the rights to the characters and it’s honestly sad. It’s sad they think seeing that scene with Vulture and Moribus “together” would hype us up. There’s literally no point to these movies except Sony hoping we’ll give them money cause they’re limping. I don’t like the venom movies and all the other ones are terrible or they’re going to be terrible. Sony should just sell the rights back already.

[@ghidorah15]

They really should. This needs to stop.

[@o.bfanboy]

Adam Sandler as spider-man😂😂😂😂

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

We need an Eminem song for every movie “VULTURE ITS ABOUT THE CULTURE”

[@lgut6010]

Is it bad That I actually want a good Morbius solo movie (actual Diehard Morbius comic book fan here btw)

[@olivergiggins7931]

Sony doesn't have a choice but make and release these films. They have to release Spider-man films every few years and the MCU Spider-man films don't count, meaning they have to make these Spiderverse films without spiderman... to keep Spiderman. It's a ridiculous position to be in, but what executive would want to be the one who gave up Spiderman for free?

[@joshuabrien2970]

If only they could put effort into these they keep meddling and making them actively worse even when they are just ok at best also what is going on qith them looking very cheap

[@middleman5484]

I think that the Sony Marvel Universe can work and possibly compete with the MCU in its Prime. However they need to fix some problems. 1. How does the world connect?: Morbius’ references to the Venom films are a good start. But I think we need some more connections. For example, Eddie’s Daily Globe incident wasn’t specified, but if we take how Eddie acted with Carlton Drake and applied it to another character who was secretly doing ill real experiments? Morbius can be that Daily Globe incident. We also don’t know what Milo did with Morbius’ research after he took the serum. Aleski can turn into a humanoid rhino in a similar way to Curtis Connors. 2. Use the tragic aspects of each of the characters. A good question to ask when making a team is “What connects all of these characters?” I think that the tragic aspects of Venom, Morbius, Kraven and Vulture can bring them together. Mainly that they are alone and have lost their families in one way or another. 3. Make Vulture the Tony Stark of the franchise. In other words, let him be the main protagonist, he drives the story and brings the sinister six together. Use the fact that his main driving force (His family) is non existent.

[@JohnYourube]

The ssu already is competing with the mcu. The mcu only has one movie in 2024 and the ssu has THREE. The ssu is winning

[@middleman5484]

@@JohnYourube what in like quality or quantity. Because I’m talking like if it fixes some big problems that I mentioned it could compete with the best of the mcu

[@disappointmentyes6387]

Terrible ideas.

[@middleman5484]

@@disappointmentyes6387 how so?

[@middleman5484]

@@disappointmentyes6387 I am once again asking u to please elaborate

[@conradojavier7547]

Sony created that Universe, so that Marvel can't reclaim Spider-Man back.

[@theflash9767]

Sony's Cinematic Universe (SSU) faces significant challenges in crafting a cohesive universe, but practical solutions could pave the way for success. Andrew Garfield's version of Spider-Man should either be present in the SSU or another Spider-Man variation should serve as a central figure to unify the various characters and storylines. Without Spider-Man, the SSU lacks a recognizable anchor for audiences. To establish cohesion, Sony should draw lessons from the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) by carefully planning story arcs, avoiding rushed timelines, and working towards a major event like "Maximum Carnage." This will require thoughtful pacing and the creative freedom to tell meaningful stories. Sony should empower directors like Sam Raimi, who was given substantial creative freedom in the first two "Spider-Man" films, to focus on storytelling while experimenting with genres and taking creative risks. If Eddie Brock's Venom remains a focal point, it's crucial to introduce a Spider-Man character to maintain comic book accuracy. Venom’s narrative requires careful development of Eddie Brock's relationship with the symbiote, exploring his transformation from villain to anti-hero. This journey would benefit from a dedicated solo film that delves into the horror elements of the symbiote, much like "Spider-Man 3," but more logically fleshed out using body horror techniques. Sony should also prioritize creating strong, marketable characters and ensure the right creative talent oversees individual films and the cinematic universe as a whole. It’s crucial to have a well-structured plan that draws on the strengths of the MCU and DCEU or alternatively starts afresh with a reboot that avoids past errors. By granting directors creative freedom, pacing the stories carefully, and embracing experimental storytelling, Sony's Cinematic Universe can build a cohesive and captivating universe that resonates with audiences.

[@Imslowasfboi]

I think a symbiote verse wouldve been more successful, we all love symbiotes

[@vv_saturn1150]

That blade reference aged so well 👍🏽

[@offtheshelfET]

3:12 bro ain’t no way you just dissed on my boy Paul Blart. That movie is my childhood😭

[@LILGHETTI]

Elaborate cash grab I would say Madam web and kraven without spidey is hilarious 🤣

[@KhaosKontroller]

I don't know if Sony is just incredibly stupid or if they do know these movies are bad but just don't care. I mean rumour is that Madam Web has the same writers as Morbius. Who in the right mind would rehire the same people who made a critical and financial disaster?

[@johans3164]

Their kinks are humiliation. Why do u think they release Morbius twice? They wanna get all them morb all over their faces

[@shinndig1293]

Amazing Spider-Man 2 looks like a fucking masterpiece compared to all the SSU films and it’s no longer even the worst Spider-Man movie, that’s now Spider-Man Lotus.

[@StuartLugsden]

We need a sequel to this when Kraven comes out.

[@SalveASMR]

Spiderman Universe without Spiderman.

[@angelarch5352]

11:24 "make over a Morb-illion dollars...", :D

[@KR-P]

It does feel like a joke. Yet all that money and resources and actual talent disguises it as genuine attempts to do something.

[@KR-P]

Maybe they will fight the madame web

[@coda7994]

The title got me here, great video It's the weirdest movie verse i could imagine

[@roloboog]

We already have 2 onscreen Spider Men, with a beloved video game series on top. At this point, I can’t bring myself to care whether or not any new Spider Man related stuff flops, especially when they don’t even try to justify their existence by being high quality or revolutionary. Id rather support other things that show promise to push the culture forward rather than keep it stagnant, in other words, providing something valuable to the consumer, rather than make a quick buck off them.

[@niallocarroll4450]

Sony ar trying to take Spiderman villains and turn them into anti hero protagonists when the most interesting part of their characters are their dynamic with Spiderman!

[@NextToToddliness]

If you want to make a cinematic universe, you have to commit to making a cinematic universe.

[@KenMasters.]

The very first elaborate joke that Sony ever did to Spider-Man was the creation of Emo Parker.

[@FireOccator]

The Hollywood movie industry is too dysfunctional to make good movies, so there is no way that they are going to make a good cinematic universe.

[@JosiahHerring]

A way I can see them making the sinister Six work in this context is that you have to make Spider-Man the villain. In this reality you can make Spider-Man the world's greatest villain, and to compensate the universe makes his greatest villains the heroes in this timeline. However, I really don't want them to do that to Peter Parker. Madam Web actually seems to be setting up an idea of Ezekiel Sims being this world Spider-Man, and I think that could really work if you wanted to make him the villain of the universe, but given their track record, they'll probably kill him off the end.

[@heilong79]

MOS, BVS extended and Wonderwoman were great. Venom 2 was absolutly terrible and almost as bad as Morbius.

[@robertpaul6070]

They have to put movies out for rights to keep them with Sony

[@gregoryfuller9736]

Venom should have stayed in the mcu in Spiderman no way home ending cut scenes

[@kostazarikos3383]

Never saw the harley quinn movie, blue beetle, Shazam, 1 or 2, black Adam in theatre. I love dc but dam

[@fallouttoonlink]

Thank god, that the monsterverse didn't get fucked up.

[@EggFighterXB-]

Not sure if that even counts as a cinematic universe. It's only 5 movies and it's just Gojira and Kong, they haven't made a Mothra movie yet or something like that.

[@donovan5656]

Venom should just be the MC of the SSU. Just throw out anything spider related and have all characters revolve around Venom. But that might require creative thinking…

[@jakerobinson9475]

I disagree with this. The SSU is massively overhated and it’s not more embarrassing than the DCEU. First of all, there’s only been three films with only one actually being bad, the Venom films have been successfully and relatively well received by people. The first three DCEU films were MoS, BvS and Suicide Squad, and unlike the SSU they were using their most popular characters from the start. The SSU is trying to make the villains and allies of Spider-Man well know characters. It’s more embarrassing to mess up using the most popular characters than it is to mess up with more obscure characters. Also I hate it when people say that Sony is trying to make films about characters nobody cares about. Before the films came out, only comics fans cared about GOTG and Iron Man. Venom and Kraven are very popular for comics fans, Morbius also has fans and Madame Web is setting up a bunch of female heroes who also have fans. So yes, general audiences might not know who they are or care, but comic fans do.

[@Aiz-101]

Facs bro

[@ghidorah15]

You're full of it, dude. _Madame Web_ is the biggest bomb yet. No one wants this garbage.

[@jakerobinson9475]

@@ghidorah15 I want it because at least it’s different. And anyone who says Madame Web is worse than Morbius is hating for the sake of it.

[@178laaleros]

Its basically a waste of freaking time

[@joezelljr]

Just remember that morbius only got any sort of money back was because it was a joke movie. It was the funniest shit to come out that's how bad it was. And Sony released it a second time in the same year because memes funny

[@BSH9009]

I don't care what anyone else says, this is the Venomverse, not the spiderverse

[@alexmartin3143]

I say the SSU is missing the key S…

[@HorseJoint]

He mentioned the movie “RAW”. I’m a new Subscriber now. Also. This guy sounds like an “Eric Foreman” variant.

[@SPACECOWBOY705]

Ah man been laughing at the title for like 3 minutes straight 😂

[@puffpuffpassmako]

Imo the main issue is this universe has no Spider-man. You cant have villains without the hero to fight or challenge them. Turning these iconic baddies into anti heroes just isnt sustainable. The issue is Sony cant use Peter Parker or miles morales due to the mcu contract and miles being the spiderverse main. So what option do they have? They have 2 actually. Ben Reilly or Kaine would be PERFECT for the much darker Sonyverse. But not as a hero. But as an antagonistic Spider-man. Ben and Kaine are much more brutal than Pete and dont have the "no kill" rule. We'd not only get a new spidey we have never seen before but also a new perspective on the character. It would also be the PERFECT excuse for the sony villains to build the Sinister Six as they are beyond afraid of this more brutal Spider-man. And as a huge spidey fan im perfectly okay with Spider-man being seen as an antagonist. This is the villains' perspective so of course he'll be seen differently. But...sony wont do this because they have no talent writers and execs who dont care and arent creative

[@Imslowasfboi]

Also, i dont feel like im a weirdo for liking the snyder cut of justice league

[@johans3164]

Still better than liking whatever Sony is trying to do

[@PlatinumStrikes]

It’s morbin time. Nah morbius was a goated meme ngl

[@mattimusprimal637]

I could say the same with Marvel Studios Phases 4 and 5 (movies and Disney+ series/specials)!

[@Dontclickmychannellll]

Nah when they got a new ceo he was focused on more quantity than quality and they been having so many inhumane conditions I hope they can have a good phase after 5

[@mattimusprimal637]

@@Dontclickmychannellll Fire Bob Iger, Kevin Feige, Kathleen Kennedy and Dave Filoni! We need a clean slate at Disney and all their divisions!

[@Raining4rain]

They used to call is the scuomc or the sony cinematic universe of marvel characters

[@StuartLugsden]

I can only think of a few franchises and IPs the can be major ongoing cinematic universes. Star Wars MCU DCEU Game of Thrones Harry Potter Lord of the Rings I'm sure there are a few more but those are the only ones that come to mind and do work because they wear designed to be that. Sony's fraction of Marvel on it's own dose not work and everyone knows it including Sony itself. Avi Arad has no idea what he's doing he just wants money. Sony needs to return the fights to Feige. Give Spiderman back to his family where he belongs.

[@uchihabomber1296]

I’d say the Venom movie were good enough I guess but yeah the others are just movies that I feel don’t need to exist either

[@mrmadfunny5507]

This is absolutely amazing keep up the great work can’t wait to see more 🔥!

[@multiverse-collection]

I feel like the dude just hates all connected universes. Talked shit on DCEU, talked shit on MCU, talked shit on Sony, talked shit on TASM movies, 😂😂😂

[@landonkam6727]

Im still hung up on the fact the morbius memes were mocking the movie. This entire time i thought they were appreciative. It feels like the entire internet was my older brother on this topic.

[@RP342MMMT]

I think Sony should create a new super hero to fight these villains

[@johans3164]

I love seeing the Sony Spiderman Universe being bullied HARD. I still have more respect to MCU and DCEU compared to whatever Sony is doing

[@krazyjamez4752]

Bro morbius is quite literally just filler for kraven and venom 😭😭

[@dweeb7991]

Instead of soo these useless movie they should’ve put more effort for comfortable conditions to spiderverse team,and maybe some money to make an agreement to return spectacular Spider-Man show

[@justyouraveragegeek548]

The Venomverse is wired but interesting

[@oski4022]

this could have been decent if spider-man was around, like how warner it's currently doing with the batman universe. apparently the only hero that exists in that timeline it's batman. but that doesn't stop them to make spin offs about his villains and side characters while the main hero still gets all the attention. sony, on the other hand... tasm 2 it's good.

[@therush757]

Feels like they’re just making these SSU movies to keep the Spider-Man rights. Quality be damned.

[@krazyjamez4752]

These movies are the like scary movie series of the superheroes movies

[@conradojavier7547]

The SSU is the Fox-Men Universe.

[@seanking8427]

It is, everything about Sony is a joke

[@TheFallen292]

I haven’t seen Morbius yet and I’ve been contemplating watching it. I decided not to watch it when I saw Jared Leto is playing Morbius and that’s solely because of what I saw from him playing Joker in one of the suicide squad movies…. Should I watch it?😂😂

[@corey2232]

The DCEU was awful, but it had some entertainment value sprinkled throughout. But the Sony Universe? There was next to nothing worthwhile the entire time. Venom was OK, but only because Hardy was enjoyable. The actual story was terrible, and just felt like a boring 00's era origin story. Even more confusing, they basically did the same exact thing again for Venom 2, even using the stupid trope of the villain just being an evil version of the hero (with similar powers) yet again! Eddie was back to arguing with Venom, like none of the development from the first movie even mattered. And Morbius was just generic & boring & Kraven looks the same. I can't imagine turning more villains into anti-heroes is going to rope me back in.

[@SewerxGator]

I don't think people talk about how laughably bad venom 2 was

[@wilmedina8368]

Sony should focus on Miles Morales (animated universe) and just walk away from live action. They don't know what they're doing.

[@Horrormaster13]

(7:53) So you take the two Venom movies over The Suicide Squad (2021)? Okaaaaaaaaaaaay...

[@exilhannabal]

I keep forgetting this is a thing they were doing😊