Oh Tim

[@SuperiorJango-iu5xo]

I like how they couldn't put Jason Todd in the DCAU because his story was too "dark" But then they made Tim Drake, who in this version has the same backstory as Jason, get tortured and mentally broken by the Joker, who ends up being murdered by Tim

[@ScrubDaddy265]

I’m glad I’m not the only one who watched this and was like, “That’s Jason, not Tim!”

[@smili-lutin2125]

The one thing I dislike about batman beyond is that all the returning characters are miserable and hate each other.

[@reykhan2453]

Except for Superman, at least, Big Blue is vibin. Harley Quinn, too, probably just has some rebellious grand kids. But yeah, most Batman character has the most terrible lives,

[@FirstLast-cg2nk]

Angry at each other. They do still care for one another, but they're all bitter for different reasons.

[@mandalorianhunter1]

Honestly that's actually a very realistic portrayal of things that could go wrong and happen. It makes sense after everything they have gone through becoming bitter and resentful.

[@rabootfanboysam5068]

@@reykhan2453 Kinda , but Supes was canonically controlled by Starro for a couple years so I won't say its all fun and games for him

[@7thDeadlySinn]

I feel like that’s an accurate depiction though as Terry said in Epilogue they all loved Bruce but they all got fed up with him because he couldn’t give up his mission even after all the horrible things Joker had done to them

[@tenebraequeene]

The bat family was pure suffering in the dcau

[@doomedspacemarine5076]

But there were good, although scarce loving moments...right?😢

[@ConductorElcrest]

@@doomedspacemarine5076All things considered they had a good ending thanks to Terry

[@gatorcroc7212]

Tbh considering what they went through? It kinda makes sense...don't forget Bruce Groomed and stole Barbara from Dick Grayson...

[@ConductorElcrest]

@@gatorcroc7212 That isn’t canon to the series actually, those comics.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Seeing Tim Drake crying after killing Joker breaks my heart. 😢

[@Abominatrix650]

Hello Spammy How are you today?

[@simplelee92]

Yeah it’s a tough scene

[@InReserveProductions]

DCAU Tim is just Jason by another name, and that probably explains my soft spot for him, despite Tim being my favourite. It's weird coming back to this show as I got older and realised that this Tim is not like comic Tim. The one thing he definitely gets from his comic counterpart is how he brings Dick and Bruce back together through his sheer perseverance. The thing that always gets overlooked or misunderstood is that despite Dick being the character everyone loves and respects, Tim is the heart of the Bat kids even though he's more known for being the brains.

[@ADN64]

Except Jason is canon to this universe in the comics

[@ScrubDaddy265]

Tim actually gets a poorer fate in this series than presented. His costume is given to Dick, his name is given to Jason and the real Tim who is a better detective that even the Dark Knight? He’s nowhere to be found.

[@NighstarLayla]

That "hi old man" always feel emotional and i really cant put my finger on why

[@mandalorianhunter1]

I always liked this design of Jason Todd, oh I mean Tim Drake. He bad a cool Robin costume. I honestly wish he had appeared more in Static Shock and Justice League, it would have been much better. Honestly Tim doesn't appear as often as he should. Jason and Damien have gotten way more on screen adaptations lately then he has which is sad.

[@rayvenkman2087]

Thanks for nothing Dan Didio.

[@bubba4725]

Tbf Jason really only has under the red hood and death in the family since neither of them were in the dcamu

[@mandalorianhunter1]

@@bubba4725 on screen means anything on screen, just not animated. He appears in Titans though luckily Tim appears to but it's not great. Also luckily they are appearing in the games more.

[@bubba4725]

@@mandalorianhunter1 titans Jason wasn’t great either but i see what you mean

[@The_Phantasm]

While the DCAU Tim Drake didn't figure out Batman's identity like in the comics, it was revealed in the Lost Years tie in comics that he was a massive fan of Batman and Robin beforehand like the comic book Tim Drake. The way he got the batarang he had in "Sins of the Father" was during the fight with Joker in the flashback from "Old Wounds".

[@Bahtmahn27]

I’ve always liked Tim Drake being a stand in for the audience in the comics. As a 13 year old Batman obsessed fan reading Lonely Place of Dying for the first time, I could picture myself in his position, a Batman fan getting to work with Batman himself. He also oftentimes gets to be the voice of reason, telling Bruce exactly what we the readers want to say to him. It’s a clever concept for a character.

[@Bradman1978]

This Tim Drake went through more than Jason Todd. "Killing Joke" and "Death in the Family" were a vacation compared to what happened in "The Return of the Joker."

[@AgentWolnyTyl3k]

Nah, original comic Death in the family was also pretty horrific - Jason being betrayed by his own mother right after finding her and years later becoming awakening in his own grave and becoming monster. Meanwhile Tim in RotJ was deeply traumatized and years later discovered that he too has become a monster

[@chrishardin9774]

Arkham Jason rolls out in wheelchair

[@Reverse_Hood]

All without being an incel loser like red hood

[@CantRead1]

​@@chrishardin9774Along with massive amounts of plot holes.

[@chrishardin9774]

@@CantRead1 name one

[@SourRobo8364]

That Annie episode traumatized me hard as a kid.

[@biguy617]

I think Batman spending so much time with the Justice League may have caused Tim’s dark end.

[@adamstringfellow9741]

And I think Batman realized that after what happened to Tim and then blames himself for it. To Bruce, he leaves Gotham for 5 min and this is what happens to his adoptive son. This is probably what led him to resign from the League and focus all his attention on Gotham and went into overdrive on that

[@EnerKaizer]

@@adamstringfellow9741 apparently there were plans to show that Bruce went down the deep end after the events of RotJ in the canned second Beyond movie, which would ultimately resulted in him getting kicked out of the league via vote, with only Superman (and potentially WW if the rights issues would've cleared up in time, that's why Barda was a JLB member in that multi-parter) standing up for him, which also would've explained why only Supes is open for Terrry to join the league/still be on friendly terms with Bruce.

[@PhantomtheGuardian]

Maybe not, during justice league batman said robin was with the titans

[@biguy617]

@@PhantomtheGuardian but there was never a Teen Titans episode where Tim Drake joins them. The Robin is Grayson not Tim.

[@PhantomtheGuardian]

@@biguy617 the teen titans show has nothing to do with the DCAU it's a completely different universe, in DCAU grayson became nightwing so the robin batman talks about has to be tim

[@NobodyC13]

Annie was voiced by Francesca Marie Smith, voice actress of other broken girl with an awful dad and home life who loves a noble boy hero, Helga G. Pataki.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

There's a price for being a Robin.

[@adamstringfellow9741]

As much as I love the Bat Family (they’re my favorite aspect of the Batman mythos) there’s always a tragedy in seeing these young men and women happily throwing their youth and innocence away all just to fight in Bruce’s war

[@christopherballero866]

Tim Drake and Ace, the kid with psychic powers, had things really tough in the DCAU. Imagine how bad Jason Todd could've gotten it if he were in the DCAU like Bruce Timm originally wanted

[@MatthewPrower]

it IS jason todd actually

[@MahNamJeff]

i would be exactly like this

[@Quackervoltz]

There actually is a Jason Todd in the DCAU

[@MahNamJeff]

@@Quackervoltz iirc, Batman the adventures continue is treated as a hypothetical "what if the new batman adventures continued" moreso than an actual continuation. i could be wrong about that however.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

- Dick Grayson was the first Robin - Jason Todd was Batman's greatest failure - Tim Drake was Batman's best Robin - Damien Wayne was the son Batman never asked for

[@mandalorianhunter1]

Truth

[@commonsense5199]

What about Stephanie Brown? And Duke Thomas. I know he technically not Bruce’s Robin but he still got training from Dick, Jason Tim and Damian.

[@alexneff]

And the redheaded girl Robin we dont talk about

[@sarahh6]

You misspelled his name.

[@commonsense5199]

@@alexneff Ah I keep forgetting about Carrie Kelly. I think she is currently Batman know is dark knight returns 3? I know Carrie Kelly the main DC comics continuity she was just a private teacher for Damian. I do remember that version of Carrie wore a Robin costume for a Halloween party but never part of the Batman family.

[@StareachValcin]

Tim Drake in the DCAU has definitely had it rough both before and during his tenure as Robin, especially at the end of his role as Robin, but he still had a positive personality in spite of it. Even after what the Joker did to him and having some bitterness after much therapy, Tim still appreciated Bruce showing up in the end.

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

Basically just Jason tod

[@teeny733]

I've loved your videos for awhile and it makes my heart *so happy* that you've done an introspective on one of my favorite versions of Tim Drake. Growing Pains broke my heart and really solidified him as my favorite in that series. Thank you for giving him his own episode. ❤️❤️

[@Zerato]

I think one thing that never really gets mentioned with the Annie episode is when she gets fired with clayface he doesn't gloat or use it as some grand plan just like the clip shows he tells Robin he can't. And while he doesn't seem to care much about ribbon he isn't trying to belittle him by saying it

[@aikebakes590]

Been having a really bad week, tim drake in the dcau has always really been compelling to me ever since i was a kid so i'm unbelievably excited for this one!!

[@Diego.Brando]

THE GOAT HAS RETURNED

[@Elfenlied8675309]

Wow, right when I open KZbin. Perfect timing.

[@acommonperson3516]

Bruce Timm first gave us childhood, but only to break it more painfully, and even so I’m ready to review All DCAU

[@OmegaX9]

Considering how many of Jason Todd’s characteristics they gave to Tim in the DCAU (being a tough street kid, having a criminal father, etc) I’m starting to wonder if the writing team that revived Jason as the Red Hood saw Tim’s Jokerization in Return of the Joker and said “Tim took enough from Jason, let’s take something from Tim and give it to Jason”

[@IjiModo]

I love your videos so much! Glad to see Tim getting some love.

[@Nightman221k]

I liked the way TNBA did Tim Drake as a perfect combination of Tim and Jason. Jason’s more down-to-earth affecting origin (street kid with a thug parent) but combine it with Tim idolizing Batman and Robin and wanting to be just like them. I like that Tim had a lot of depth to him I feel like Batman Beyond should have featured him more after RotJ. I didn’t like that it almost felt like the writers just used him to be a vessel to bring the Joker back rather than work his presence into the future more. I found Tim Drake in the DCAU more interesting than Terry to be honest.

[@captainoftheneverdie21]

Imagine not being able to do the Jason Todd story yet doing something way worse than simply killing Robin

[@ShinySephiroth1]

4:34 This line is so interesting to me. It's like Basil himself is also aware of how insane what just happened was and he is saying it as if he would bring her back if he could.

[@jonathanmetze9796]

Dcau Tim drake is just Jason Todd

[@SourRobo8364]

Bruce Timm really hates Robin.

[@TheHeadNinjainComics]

I guess Denny O’Neil hated Robin too since he killed off Jason Todd back when he was Robin.

[@Vegitodraws]

​@@TheHeadNinjainComicsActually. It was the fans that had Jason killed. When Dick had passed the role of Robin to Jason, Jason was basically the new Dick. People tend to forget he used to be cheery. Hell, he wasn't even a natural brunette, he dyed his hair black to imitate Dick. But people thought he was boring and Denny O'Neil really liked Jason, so they kept him and made him edgy and violent to make him different from Dick. Like Damian, the fans didn't like that very much and DC took note of that, and when Jason got blown tf up, there was a vote on whether or not he should live. Voters called across the nation to decide his fate, and he died. Contrary to popular belief, Jason wasn't liked much until he was resurrected as Red Hood. Sooooo... Yeah TLDR: Fans hated Jason, not Denny

[@Nightman221k]

He had Bruce cuck hold Dick Grayson and had Tim get his mind controlled by Joker for a significant amount of his life, so yeah. He definitely doesn’t like them. He made his wish fulfillment OC the Batman successor too.

[@wyattrierson3967]

​@@Nightman221kshows how little you know 😂

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

​@@wyattrierson3967 Why Bruce did have a relationship With Barbara in fact she was pregnant with his child But she lost it I guess you've never seen Batman Beyond return of the Joker

[@Chrono-and-Co]

They really did my favorite robin dirty💀

[@hattoripool1533]

Had the events of The Return of the Joker Flashback not happened do you think this version of Tim would eventually grow up to become Red Robin similar to his comic counterpart and how in the show Dick eventually became Nightwing? I always wanted to see the dcau make a storyline that would have shown us a possible future of the dcau had the Joker Jr stuff was either prevented or never happened

[@EnerKaizer]

There was an early internet myth I still remember about someone who tried to pitch a story for the DCAU Justice league comics where in some league members (minus Bruce himself) would get slung into a parallel earth where Timm not only became Robin-2 when he grew up (the version with the yellow tights), but also managed to save, and later marry, Anny, implying the events of RotJ never happened there. Sadly could never find confirmation how much truth to that there was, especially if it only stayed a pitch.

[@DAVETHEGRAVE]

Been waiting for another post

[@pppmmm0022]

its so astonishing how you add effort into making these videos despite having a format, none of them feel repetitive and the message from your essays still stick out :] i like that

[@theoptimisticlionheart]

THANK FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO HE IS MY FAVORITE ROBIN OF ALL TIME

[@_PEZZYHL_]

-ANOTHER EPIC ONE.👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾-

[@skyrogue1977]

The DCAU put him through the wringer. The comics made him gay.

[@nickwhittington777]

😂

[@commonsense5199]

Did anyone notices that DCAU Tim Drake is an amalgamation of him and Jason Todd? DCAU Tim Drake did carries the element of Jason Todd. Of being a street kid in Gotham, both fathers are lowkey thug working with Two Face and both carry the element of being a victim of the Joker. 1:31 That could be the Inspiration of ClownHunter. Both of them idolized Batman Both have his old Batarangs. Both self trained Difference is Batman while Batman didn’t took Clownhunter under his wing, Batman promise him The Joker won’t hurt anyone again. But when the Joker is still on the loose and continues to commit crimes and hurt people. Clownhunter grew to hate Batman for not keeping his promise. Thus Clownhunter is born.

[@EnerKaizer]

He was, the staff even admitted it because they originally wanted to have Jason so they could actually try and adapt Death in the family. But Warner shot it all down, which ultimately led to Timm and co to just fuse them both.

[@gur3478]

Yea I’ve heard him been called Timothy Todd in reference to him

[@gatorcroc7212]

Tim Drake was DCAU Jason Todd.

[@oatmat]

Aka Jason Todd

[@SourRobo8364]

But instead of becoming a badass anti-hero, he became Joker. Really sad.

[@oatmat]

@@SourRobo8364 tragedy is part of the character

[@raculpeper]

I love these introspective essays on the DCAU. Excellent concept and effort 👍🏾

[@IkaKaMinika]

I love Tim a lot

[@samuelakenova8065]

That thumbnail goes hard. And it was a captivating character analysis as well.

[@lunasroom_101]

annies story always messes me up. she deserved so much better

[@VtolSpeak]

I watched your video on Ten a year ago and the way you make your videos made me want to make an essay on their dynamic as well, but I didn’t quite feel satisfied with how it was going and decided to work on being myself on camera. And since then I’ve continued to get comfortable in front of the camera so thank you!!

[@richardsphd]

I can't think of anything clever uhhhhhhh Remember when he changed his name to Drake? That was dunb

[@stu729]

I didn't get to see all of the New Batman adventures with Tim Drake, so I definitely missed this loyalty arc you described, but it definitely gives me a deeper appreciation for how he could break through the Joker's influence and breaking of his will. Superb video as always.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

They purposely didn't mention or add Jason Todd in The Animated Series.

[@m.j.5395]

This is why I love this universe Terry calling out Bruce's bullshit and proving him wrong.

[@mohammedbaig9569]

The writers rlly had it out for poor Tim

[@Hamzakarim-1]

This movie is unironically much darker than anything the DCEU has ever put I miss the DCAU so much

[@probablyink4218]

dcau tim drake has a lot of parallels to stephanie brown in the comics

[@donovangladden5933]

Leo, Please never stop making DCAU Videos. Thanks, Your loyal viewers

[@KingNerdius]

Tim Drake might be my least favorite Robin but he’s still got his moments

[@_spartan11796]

I miss watching this stuff on the weekends

[@devinsauls9137]

Can you and Serum Lake do a collab about the DCAU?

[@josephadorno92]

Once it was revealed that Annie was Clayface, her "death" was really a trick, similar to Susan Wayne's death in "Chemistry"; they were like a.i. girlfriends.

[@kmaya1024]

growing pains was (and still is) my favorite episode from childhood

[@GigalassII]

The Bleak Life of Zack & Cody

[@jamilp2869]

Another damn great video.

[@allature]

Harley being totally on board with Tim's torture is character assassination.

[@ethanhuber8464]

Wooooo I love these videos

[@Chrisvillasr]

Not Tim always getting the short end of the stick 😭

[@GrippieRedd]

Amazing video

[@x-321e5]

I never simultaneously hated and loved a series as much as I have with Batman beyond

[@CaribbeanMenaceOficial]

I'm not used to this kind of content, thanks

[@jaikal5357]

Me about to play games Then me proceeded to watch

[@geonwoolim6824]

Ngl Tim drake in this universe reminds me more of Jason Todd

[@EnerKaizer]

It makes me wish we could've gotten at least 1 more season of Beyond where we get to see the grown up Tim again. Maybe even see his family, or have him talk with Terry about the responsibility is carrying now. RotJ still is a really good bookend for Terrys own series, but you can tell there was still a bit room for a proper, intended finale for his journey to become the next dark knight.

[@jasonbryant1552]

I started watching Batman when it premiered on FOX, watched the kids WB, watched every episode of Justice League, all 4 seasons, and this is the greatest Joker vs BB Batman

[@julianasohmer6176]

My problem with Tim's arc in the DCAU, is the same problem I have with Dick's and Babs': their miserable endings aren't done in service of their own characters, but in service of Bruce's. They are all essentially fridged for his sake, for 'oh poor batman, he's pushed away all the ones he loves'. I know the series is called 'Batman', but I think legacy characters deserve a bit better than that. I'll always stand by that sentiment.

[@Martin-gf1hh]

loyalty to the Batman, will either get you killed or seriously, harmed, in multiple ways

[@ComKid100]

Never realised how Batman treated each "son" differently & less compassionately, it says a lot about each of them in response ( Bruce and the sons).

[@negritotenfold]

Great video

[@Celia-rk4vj]

i love the music you use for your videos, do you have a spotify playlist? 🧐

[@alexneff]

I was wondering when you would post

[@andersonviana245]

This episode with annie hurts to much😢😢

[@hollowman7168]

Man......

[@YoMamaBih]

On one hand, Bruce x Barbara bs aside, I can accept that the DCAU Batfamily ended in shambles. It's realistic. Contrary to the comics, I don't see Bruce bring truly capable of managing the healthy relationships needed for a family when he is so obsessed with crime fighting. Case and point, Jason Todd, one of Batman's greatest failures.. and a person that has yet to truly make up without future conflict as if he doesn't know where Jason's heart is at.

[@bruno17289]

Terry did patch things up with Batman

[@Timgoesgym]

Dcau mispronounced Jason Todd quite a few times

[@holysalem]

the only robin i care about.

[@steelie1998]

Bruh why you gotta do this to me Scrolling down my feed I saw that name and that thumbnail and I’m like oh boi This is gonna be rough

[@bakaryburner]

“Batman misses Dick” ayoooooo💀

[@scarletspeedster111]

can anyone tell me how youtubers use clips from movies and shows without getting copyrighted? thank you

[@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω]

Poor Tim

[@Post_Leako]

What's the song that starts playing around 2:20? It's so familiar...

[@joaquinlascano3633]

did you ever make the Mercy Graves video?

[@mothsolotl]

What's up with that "it's in his blood" thing? Kinda weird.

[@emiliu_yt]

dim trake

[@ShinySephiroth1]

6:12 phrasing

[@tboy10301]

Am I crazy or were Butch Hartman MCs all based on him

[@pkmaxstar7039]

Dose anyone know what the music at the beginning is? Like during Tim's talk about him being Robin.

[@kenatodd1767]

Idk about the instrumental in the background of his dialogue, but the song that follows it during the title card is "Something that was changing in your mind" by paper twins

[@trueoverload8908]

Is it me or is the DCAU version of Tim Drake very similar to the traditional Jason Todd in the traditional DC Universe?

[@uncannydcmarvelous5732]

Yea, they mixed them to avoid the whole "we can't kill a kid in an animated series" or something

[@archermaniaford7157]

Does anyone know the song at 10:36 to 10:42?

[@zhansa_orazbay5316]

Hey, if there is someone who would like to be friends, who is fan of batman but also wants to just have deep emotional connect with someone. Maybe it's silly but I am just looking for a friend to talk

[@justsome500yearoldwithsmug2]

Yeah why not, I like chatting to random people. you have a discord or something?

[@zhansa_orazbay5316]

@@justsome500yearoldwithsmug2 what about instagram? I don't have anything else 😀

[@epicskeptic3476]

He ain't beating red hood

[@JurassicRod]

I never got invested in Tim in the DCAU. By amalgamating Tim and Jason they ended up making him kind of a nothing character to me. He didn't feel he had a defined character. Just generic kid sidekick.

[@sawyerhaming951]

L take

[@whateverwhatever4476]

Boo

[@shrimpfriedstudios]

CONSISTENTLY PEAK

[@rynobehnke8289]

Ah yes another reminder why I don't like DCAU Batman all that much. Like am I really the only one that gets annoyed to here Batman endlessly talk about how one has to give everything to "the mission" when the character seemingly has entirely forgotten what his mission even is and why he is on it in the first place going off his actions?