The best Superman film

[@deadworld953]

"When people are scared, they tend to hop on a bandwagon before they see who's driving." Truer words, Mr. Kent.

[@DemonicRemption]

@deadworld953 No joke, they've aged like fine wine.

[@Tyler_W]

Timely as ever, I think...

[@HenryBenedictUSA]

😷 💉 🐑 😱

[@CoolVictor2002]

@@HenryBenedictUSA you're a bellend

[@arthurpeters1996]

@@HenryBenedictUSA anti-vax is also a bandwagon

[@connorhealy3562]

“Orbit. He went into orbit at Mach 7.” remains one of the coldest Superman lines of all time. A brutal reminder of the kind of person he could become without the values he works so hard to uphold

[@howHumam]

He does plan to avoid collateral damage(in most versions) therefore he does consider the benefits of tossing some problems into the sun(honestly where do we put the most insane creations ever when we decide not to kill our planet with them?) So in a round about way, sun worship or whatever. Thank you for reading Ted's rant, the bastard...

[@rookcapcoldblood2618]

“If you had super hearing, any second, you’d hear the…” *”POP”*

[@wander1139]

honestly my favorite line talking about this is from batman in injustice no one looks for a body on mars

[@Rio..o7..]

Sephiroth gone good

[@hariman7727]

"Blink and you'll miss it."

[@MBOmnis]

Superman isn't outdated. He's _timeless_ .

[@StareachValcin]

Agreed. 🦸‍♂️👍

[@alexgomez6723]

It’s odd how many Superman detractors deem him unrelatable, and that’s exactly the point, Superman isn’t supposed to be an outlet to dwell on human flaws, he’s supposed to represent the best in humanity.

[@hariman7727]

@@alexgomez6723 I find Superman to be the most relatable Superhero of all. A regular schmoe from a small town trying to do the right thing, and being laughed at because he's prudish or too traditional or too uptight? Yeah, I know that feeling.

[@zerobloodseeker2377]

Time isn’t timeless

[@Reasonablewater27]

@@hariman7727 exception doesn’t make the rule

[@Raptor44256]

The “Superman gone bad” storyline has been played to death. Showing Superman not only struggle with the morality of those around him willing to go that extra step but also being able to triumph and overcome is one of the things missing from modern Superman tales. This and Kingdom Come could be some of the best storylines to be done for a film.

[@minizimi3790]

Kingdom Come is the far better Injustice storyline.

[@Raptor44256]

@@minizimi3790 agreed. Still keeps the characters mostly intact while making them face some absolutely awesome tests to those same characters. Except Shazam. Probably my favorite character update.

[@ProjektTaku]

@@Raptor44256 billy was so good in KC.

[@DangleJuice]

I would argue that The Boys and Invincible are extremely popular and they are Superman gone bad stories

[@nielsjensen4185]

@@DangleJuice Except Homelander is 'Trump with superpowers' instead of 'evil Superman,' and that's horrifying on so many levels.

[@Double_D__]

I think Linkara put it beautifully when he reviewed the original story: "That's why it's a never ending battle. Not because it's a battle that cannot be won, but because Superman will never stop fighting."

[@hariman7727]

Dr. Fate, in the animated Superman: "Until I met you, I thought evil was the only side that never quit fighting."

[@TartSoTart]

THE LIGHTBRINGER?!

[@crazyinsane500]

@@TartSoTart I think he finally got his coat back from that Trump rally.

[@oz_jones]

@@TartSoTart HMMMMM?!

[@Reverse_Hood]

@@TartSoTart One Joke

[@damanibrown3021]

The older I get the more I start to appreciate Superman. He is truly the golden standard for all superheros.

[@thebighurt2495]

Supes and Bats are the CLassic Superheroes because they challenge the concept of "How To Be The Good Guy" in different ways and yet, they still both fall into the Good category without becoming A Bad Guy That Sometimes Does Good.

[@chukyuniqul]

@@thebighurt2495 idk to me bats is pretty much the same as supes at his best written. He's a paragon who can do amazing feats and the only difference is that he's kinda grouchy and he's not superpowered so he needs every tool, including fear. If your batman wouldn't stop to comfort a terrified child in her last moments then you didn't write batman, you wrote the punisher in a silly hat.

[@GabesEdtiz]

@@thebighurt2495 Superman, Batman, and Spider-Man are the ultimate trio of heroes, if you ask me.

[@supremedreams6789]

@@GabesEdtiz They are indeed the “Big-Three”.

[@hunteruk3967]

I put Batman on a pedestal that can never be toppled. But I gotta agree ...when it comes to a textbook Superhero- IT HAS TO BE SUPERMAN. Not Batman, not Spiderman, not Ironman. No one else.

[@vision4860]

This movie did "Evil Superman" the best that I've ever seen, without Superman even being actually evil. His act was way more believably written than Injustice's maniacal temper tantrums.

[@christopherauzenne5023]

yeah, speaking of injustice there was a psuedo sequel to the "what's so funny about.." comic were Manchester pretended to have killed louis in an attempt to break superman's morals, similar to how injustice started, but clark didn't kill him because "he wasn't going to taint her memory by becoming a killer"

[@vision4860]

@@christopherauzenne5023 THAT'S the real Superman. Sometimes people write him like Loid is the only thing that keeps him grounded and I never really thought about why I found that a little strange in the back of my mind. But seriously, if killing Lois was all it took to push Clark over the edge, it would just seem like his inner character isn't that strong right? But Superman's whole point is that his determination and morals are even stronger than his muscle. And that he loves *humanity* and aspires to live up to the best that they can be, and to inspire them to do the same. Though to play Devil's Advocate a bit, you *could* chalk Injustice Superman snapping to not just Lois and their unborn child dying, but the fact that he was tricked into killing them with his own hands. I could imagine that's enough to cause a mental breakdown for most people.

[@christopherauzenne5023]

@@vision4860 yeah I have similar feelings for when people write Clark angry as him about to break his morals/on the verge of turning evil, like you can be angry or pissed and not necessarily want to kill everyone but they think him being angry means he’s turning. (Another good comic example is Superman/Shazam first thunder where Clark basically bitched out the wizard for putting billy, a child, in this situation of hero’s and villains). Clark is allowed to have negative emotions and it doesn’t mean he’s planning on turning on humanity

[@MegaNightmare4]

I always said the Injustice comics is a terrible Superman story, but a fantastic Batman story. Of course it's a complete character assassination of Superman. It implies the only reason he's good is because nothing really bad has happened to him, and the second his girlfriend dies he becomes evil. Evil Superman in that story is completely shallow and cynical, and demonstrates a complete lack of understanding in who Superman is. But for everything they get wrong about Superman, they get right about Batman. Batman is the protagonist in that story, and that comic run does his character justice. Few comics do such a good job exploring Batman's morals, his symbology and his refusal to kill. In that story Batman has arguably suffered more than any other iteration. Losing Alfred, half the Bat family and being betrayed by all his friends. But he still never compromises on his ideals or his sense of justice. In many ways I think Superman's character assassination in that story was necessary. Every time Batman shines is only heightened by the fact that he's fighting a friend and former hero. Everything that's lost in Superman's character is paid back tenfold in Batman. In that story, Superman's decent into cynicism only serves to contrast Batman's strength of character even further.

[@tobsonasanya4765]

@@vision4860 I mean his city also died so

[@tylerensminger]

I say this might be perhaps George Newborns best performance as Superman. I know he's done Justice League and Injustice but I really like him in this one

[@albertthepeacock8020]

Yeah his Superman is top tier without a doubt I use his voice for Superman:For Tomorrow

[@NobodyC13]

Using his Sephiroth voice for when Superman snaps.

[@MeatOfJustice]

And Multiversus, his delivery there is great. His performance on this movie was the cherry on top, so glad they got him for it.

[@albertthepeacock8020]

@@NobodyC13 Oh shit he voices both Superman and Sephiroth? Freekn sweet and I was just using Sephiroth in Ultimate

[@NobodyC13]

@@albertthepeacock8020 And you want to know something funny? Tyler Hoechlin succeeded him as the voice of Sephiroth in Final Fantasy VII: The Remake and he plays Superman in the DC Arrowverse shows.

[@lefthandedelite]

So... essentially Superman is the father figure that society needs, but won't tolerate until he's actually needed? And he leads by example, not by show of power...

[@donellebullock7404]

Well he was based on Judaic-Christains ideals and people like Jesus/God.

[@maallos334mi8]

Actually, he’s based on Jewish ideal and stories like the Golem of Prauge. He got christianized in the film because the director at the time thought it would sell better.

[@maxstrike3022]

​@@maallos334mi8his creator being Jewish, that makes sense

[@aesop1451]

@@maallos334mi8 That's why he sucks. He's supposed to be like the Federation in Star Trek. Except for Section 31 in Deep Space Nine, the Federation is portrayed as democratic, peaceful, inclusive, and utopian. That's why Superman loves giving talks at the United Nations and considers himself a world citizen. Superman is the Barack Obama of superheroes. Everything he says is inoffensive and uncontroversial. There's also a massive power imbalance between him and the rest of the world. We should thank our lucky stars for the Kents and the American public school system, otherwise Superman might've become a world tyrant. Billionaires love to assuage their conscience by donating a few hundred thousand dollars to some charity. Like these billionaires, Superman would view us as worker bees at best and insignificant ants at worst if he existed in real life. Even in the rare occasions where powerful people do good things, they do it for their family or nation, not humanity.

[@kaimemes]

What's really disturbing is that the reactions of the public in this movie are so realistic and accurate to how the public would react in our world

[@hariman7727]

"You're telling me I can't do things and I need your help... TAKE MY SOUL AND GIVE ME A CHECK AND I'LL VOTE FOR YOU FOREVER AND TEACH MY CHILDREN TO BE RELIANT ON YOU!!!!!" Yep. That sort of shit happens.

[@avocadothecat]

I mean there's still so many people believing the death penalty is something ok... so here's your answer to the state of todays society. 50% of us are still animals in their heads

[@Gallalad1]

you're right that's also part of the message. They may never admit they changed or learned but ultimately they will. They may never fully realise the delusion they were part of but adjustments do happen. Even when its hard

[@Jamietheroadrunner]

It’s even more horrifying than that: imagine a cadre of “heroes” with a MAGA hat loyal not to a nation of laws but loyal only to one man. Imagine “stand back and stand by” in this world. Imagine the nightmare of a January 6 led by The Elite.

[@finklegarbledcrap7361]

That's Cause It's Based On How Real People Think & Feel...

[@Lazyguy143]

Fun fact: Superman's voice actor in this movie also voices sephiroth from Final Fantasy 7. Which is funny because sephiroth's latest English voice actor plays Superman in Superman and lois.

[@posindustries]

Both roles clearly share a specific skillset and no I will not elaborate.

[@rakninja]

strange, i do not recall FF7 having voice acting at all.

[@donteo508]

@@rakninja the original game does not. However most compilation of ff7 content does. I believe the VA for Superman here did Sepiroth's voice in Crisis Core

[@NoEyes]

​@@donteo508and advent children

[@karolnowak6423]

@@rakninja FF7 Remake does have voice acting, as does Advent children

[@gelusvenn5063]

"Naw, just the loud, angry, and stupid." Pa Kent is one of the Wisest, kindest Humans ever to exist in fiction. I love how he's a simple guy, but without dipping into any of the shitty archetypes for a farmer or country person. The writers don't use him to go 'uneducated people are bad' or 'educated people are bad' or any of that. He's just an old man with a lot of heart, who used to be a young man with a lot of heart that helped to make sure that our big blue boy scout got a heaping helping of heart for himself, too. Unrelated: The thing that always bothers me about the perpetually dumb question "Why don't superheroes kill?" is... They shouldn't have to ever even make that decision in the first place... If just killing the villain is an option as opposed to incarceration, that should be done by the penal system just like it is with all other crime. It's not "Batman should kill the Joker", because Batman just brings him in and they let him because they can't do it themselves. It's " Why does Gotham keep making an Insanity exemption for a person who has caused so much damage and shown repeatedly that he cannot be rehabilitated?" the idea that the onus of punishment is somehow on the superhero just because they took responsibility to capture and had over the villain is bizarre. Just my two cents on that because none of the people who make that argument ever seem to even take the penal system itself into account at all.

[@joeclarke7982]

What about when it comes to super powered villains?

[@markcochrane9523]

Also let's be real: the question isn't "why doesn't Batman kill the Joker", it's "why hasn't some dirty cop killed the Joker?"

[@bluelandyaandgreenlandya1788]

I agree so much. I keep seeing people say stuff like, "Well if Batman won't kill, he has no business doing what he does." Which always annoys me to no end.

[@juliuswatcher1157]

Thank You! The whole "why don't the hero kills the bad guy" complain is really annoying and you point out exactly why is not limited to the hero this responsibility but also the society. There are hero characters that do kill, but just because of they exist that doesn't mean there the need to apply the same values to other with no-kill rules, like Superman and Batman. Usually, the superhero that follows this value aims to inspire people by not crossing the line. To any reading this reply, I suggest watching Sf Debris reviews of this film and the one of JLA cartoon "A Better World". He is able to put it very well in words about this question.

[@stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369]

Yeah and even superhero's that don't kill like batman will accept that WW would kill the god of plagues or whatever

[@OKOK-sr2xg]

people don't realise that superman IS total break of expectations. Creating characters like omni-man and homelander or even "evil superman", doesn't add anything to any conversation because it only shows what we expect would happen. Instead, the very idea someone could be an absolute force of good is the twist.

[@Serocco]

Omni Man is about how culture shapes our "heroes." Homelander is a commentary on America as the world police. Captain America is about the legacy of heroism and how it gets manipulated and co-opted. Superman is about inspiring people to change, not forcing it, to stop all of the above from ever happening again.

[@countpythagoras]

Omni man isn't evil. He is a soldier doing a job. And later on he realises his time on earth has changed him.

[@ProGamer-hg3mb]

@@Serocco you’re thinking show not comic Omni man and homelander Show one’s make them more human In the comics they’re evil

[@BladeOfLight16]

@@countpythagoras Omniman most certainly is evil, at least in the start. Not in the cartoonish, world-dominating way, but because of his willingness to destroy and kill to achieve unjust ends. The fact some part of him struggles against those choices and he goes through with them anyway is _more_ damning, not less. And you should consider the implications of that on your own soul.

[@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447]

homelander is a completely different story: he's supposed to be a representation of what would happen if superheroes abused their power, rather than be selfless. it's supposed to be more 'realistic' because throughout human history, very rarely did the strong help the weak, rather than exploit them (at least on a 'big organization' level, which is arguably a regression to rationality)

[@EnerKaizer]

My personal most favorite quote of Superman is an answer he gives to Batman when he tells him something similar like Manchester Black, and his answer to that is for me THE quintessentiall essence of Superman: Batman: "The world is darker then you think Clark!" Superman: "Then we need to shine brighter." That is the thing. Superman knows he is maybe a bit too idealistic, but that doesn't stop him tp try and change the world to a better place were his take on the world (and humanity at large) becomes fully true. This is why he is the worlds greatest hero.

[@MakotoKamui]

".. you're living in a dream world!" "Good. Dreams save us. Dreams lift us up and transform us into something better." Such a great exchange. Supes is right - dreams, and the desire to be better, lift us up, and we should never stop fighting for that. Agreed, my favorite Superman movie.

[@Crimson28]

“The world needs people in charge who are willing to put the animals down” is the coldest fkn line I’ve ever heard Superman say. This is George Newbern’s best performance as Superman. It’s as if Sephiroth took over for a few minutes. That display of power shows he is the last character you want cutting loose.

[@darkservantofheaven]

Haha. Plus there were so many Sephiroth vs the Elite amvs

[@patbingsuyaa]

I cried the first time I watched this film. I was young and sort of an edgelord, only enamored by things at face value. This superman film helped me mature as a filmgoer and person. I understood the depth and purity behind superman, respecting something that the world made a laughingstock for most of my life.

[@ZEK-ROM]

lol doubt

[@Adi-oc7vu]

@@ZEK-ROM What he said was his experience with what he learnt from it and grow and share what he felt and even if this is a completely made up scenario on the internet by someone what's wrong if someone else looks at this and thinks that maybe they could also be more understanding of people around them and how they act

[@V---L]

Kinda the same happen with me, superman, Naruto and Spiderman really help me, they are very kind people who save the day with a smile on their face, purity in their heart and no resentment, this characters have really help me out and made me grow up, they encourage me to "use" their values and hold them as my own, if I learned something about superman is you can't go wrong 99.9% of the times if you behave according to his believes. (Edit to me the comment more clear)

[@patbingsuyaa]

@@V---L i watched some of the classic STAS episodes and it comforts me to see that even with his godlike powers, superman humbly receives help for stuff he knows he cannot handle, remains compassionate even if his adversaries mock him in weakness

[@V---L]

@@patbingsuyaa yh that's what makes him great, for example, in all star where he is dying and has limited time to make the world not need him even then he takes the time to save a girl from suicide, he thought that girls life was too important for it to be wasted and needed for the world to be better, stuff like this is what makes me love the character, his nobleness, and his innocence in a way, it's also crucial how a godlike being thinks the life of a random teen in this case is also needed

[@KingOfMadCows]

This story is like a deconstruction of The Boys 5 years before The Boys came out. Also, with Gunn seemingly rebooting the DC movies, I really want him to bring in some DC animation writers. Get Paul Dini and Greg Weisman in there.

[@darkrai436]

That's because the story was made in response to another evil JL knock-off: Warren Ellis' The Authority. It's even more ironic because both Ellis and Garth Ennis (The Boys' creator) have worked on those characters.

[@keithedwards499]

I would rather have All Star superman as a movie. I don't want evil super man, I want the good morale super man that's just beautiful and upholds the American way!

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@keithedwards499 but he dies in that movie?

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

I hope he brings back Geoff Johns to help.

[@kanalithviper4744]

Love Bruce Timm but I don’t want that Batman Barbara shit again. That was creepy

[@SpartanSniper3]

As a kid, I just thought this movie was okay. As an adult, the deeper meanings really struck me hard. "Good isn't perfect." "Dreams save us..." The message here really hits home now that I've grown up. The idea of Superman is never too old fashioned for me.

[@AGuyNamedRicky]

Another thing I love about the conclusion to this story is how it rebutted the “ultimate power point” people think it’s easy to kill “bad guys” and that doing so will make the world a better place, until someone bigger and stronger than you decides that you are in fact the bad guy…

[@thesurvivorssanctuary6561]

Ok, but do those people have a point, or are they just pointing the finger without evidence? We have a Justice system for a reason, and is there really a problem with killing murderers and rapists when the other choice is to just let them continue to ruin lives? If you can imprison people; fine, whatever; but what if you can't? What if a person is too powerful, too elusive, and simply cannot be stopped by anything other than death? Should we just let them continue to murder people, and send our: "hopes and prayers" to this villain? Wishing that they will change with time?

[@danielshore1457]

Exactly I think this is exasperated but he fact that superman, did not agree with Black however he still took him to a far enough out location to try to reason with him/fight him, is that Black with his kill all criminals mentality doesn't allow for that area of neutrality at all. Which is why superman takes him to an excluded place when it comes to the fight, if you don't have that degree of pleasantness civilians will gey Hury no matter what. Black doesn't take this to consideration he goes for the kill immediately which at least I feel superman points out when he 'retaliates' and causes mass amounts of damage to the city. If you have this mentality the villains won't hold nack at all and just cause a worse problem. Like as far as I know Superman's main villain Lex hates superman put of a twisted sense in protecting his city, and we know there are situations where his love for his city out-trumps his hat for superman (DCeased being one or the DCAU death of superman movie against doomsday). Or for example Wally West as Flash holds the near exact same principles of Superman, and despite how evil they are when they commit crimes his Rouges have a rule to not kill people to the point where Imverse killed one of the speedster and the rouges in turn killed him. The same principle applies.

[@OhOh996]

I mean this movie showed how scary Superman actually can be and also showing why he's indeed one of the greatest Superhero everyone should aspire to during the last part of the movie.

[@thebighurt2495]

Supes is the ultimate "Could Kill All Of You Whenever He Pleases And Chooses Not To" character and people sometimes miss that point. The dude chooses, very deliberately, to not be a douchebag even though he could. He is the Beacon of Hope people like Homelander or Omniman couldn't be even if they tried.

[@TigerJ15]

This is my favourite superman movie. Not because of the characters, the writing or the action, but because of the simple fact that this is the movie when Superman says the word "wankers". As a Brit, you have no idea how mind blowing it is to hear that!

[@Wheelchair_Gamer]

That bit was surreal to me. And yeah, it’s my favourite sups movie too.

[@hariman7727]

Hah! I get it.

[@ProjektTaku]

this is what's missing from modern superhero media.

[@lassehoffmann625]

I thought only John Constantine said wankers in dc

[@ProjektTaku]

@@lassehoffmann625 was this secret john constantine's doing?

[@malcolmroache3854]

This movie is so good. It really emphasizes Supes character. It's one of my favorite films of his along with All-Star Superman. Really hope we get this type of Superman going forward.

[@malcolmroache3854]

@@goofael Superman vs the elite.

[@milkiassamuel780]

I am 100% in agreement this film quite literally defined my absolute love of Superman. This is my favourite Superman film and perhaps DC's most underrated animated film. It adapts the story "What's so funny about truth, Justice and the American Way" perfectly I couldn't recommend this film enough to the people who say Superman is boring, because to me this film really disproves that notion quite well. It just frustratingly confuses me how such an amazing DC animated film is overlooked?

[@JCCyC]

Now that you mention it, this story COULD be an issue of All-Star Superman. It fits perfectly.

[@byronrush9802]

@@milkiassamuel780 That's because most superhero movie goers don't understand nuance they have to be force fed the answer also killing the villain does not solve the problems that are wrong in society The government is still corrupt there are children and foreign countries making shoes for celebrities still every time Superman is not in the Cape people are dying or crying out for help, The thing I like about Superman is he doesn't just sit and complain about it he tries to make an example be a part of the change tries to help get competent politicians elected and judges on the bench or taking the time out of his day to talk to a lonely old lady or saving a child and his mother from abusive father and husband.

[@bluecanine3374]

@@goofael so I'm guessing you didn't watch the video?

[@then.c.c.9590]

As words of Christopher Reeve, Superman is just not a symbol, he is a friend everyone needs in their life, he is someone with a heart with a love so genuine and that no matter the case, he is your friend

[@ryanruttan7480]

Superman doesn't have to be dark and gritty. He needs to be fucking Superman. That's it.

[@VarangianGuard13]

This! Precisely! Superman would want us to lift each other up, to cheer for little victories, not point and laugh when someone falls. He is, at his core, a subversion of the Übermensch idea, coopted by two Jewish kids, to offset theÜbermensch version peddled by Tiny Moustache Man.

[@mr.boomguy]

From what I've seen of the new "my adventures with Superman", they does him well there too. He's still a good guy, but still ain't perfect. He still has a lot of flaws that he needs to ion out as a person, but overall nothing that sets him on the path of evil

[@ryanruttan7480]

I have heard good things about My Adventures with Superman. Think I'll check that out 😃

[@ChuckleberryFinn]

I have never been the biggest fan of the blue boy scout. You straight up hit the target. I'm a Wolverine fan, I relate to the trauma and pain, the rage and violence (sadly), but I was probably 30 when I realized Superman doesn't represent the past, he represents hope for a better future, a better people. Logan would hassle him while openly, while helping him. People in pain want people of hope to succeed, they are always the first ones to offer us a home.

[@hariman7727]

The only reason Logan and Superman would fight is if someone was holding one of Logan's loved ones hostage.

[@emm6064]

There's a reason he's called "The Man of Tomorrow" :-)

[@3Rayfire]

@@emm6064 Beat me to it.

[@pointblank2890]

>People in pain want people of hope to succeed, they are always the first ones to offer us a home. Damn that's such a beautiful and accurate statement. Even though I've had friends who are cynics and dreamers bash heads more often than not, the former are always wishing for the latter to succeed. There's always that love and hope that shines through, even if its refracted by a lifetime of pain and sorrow.

[@ChuckleberryFinn]

@@pointblank2890 thank you Point. Deep seas and murky waters create interesting people, not always sane, but interesting.

[@christopherauzenne5023]

just a small thing about the character of "The Hat" but I love the running design choice of DC to having extremely powerful magic users looking like cheap magic acts. like Zatanna is designed to look like a typical stage magician act and the hat is based on "pulling a rabbit out of a hat" routine and I honestly find the idea of taking cheap magic acts and turning them into all powerful wizards clever

[@thebighurt2495]

You don't need a lot of Flash when the Bang is so punchy.

[@DemonBlanka]

Always a very charming design choice, part of why I like Zatanna so much, everything about the way she's presented is pure cheese and she knows it.

[@DwarfDaddy]

@@thebighurt2495oooh I love that line

[@rakninja]

it has to do with the old comics code. "wizards and witches" were kind of banned, but you could get around it with stage magic. it's similar to morbius. vampires were banned, so they had to modify the concept to get around the CCA. blame the moral panic over tales from the crypt and related works.

[@rynobehnke8289]

@@rakninja At least for Zatanna is there properly a different reason. Her design is based on her dads Zatara and he was a golden age hero that first appeared along side Superman in Action Comic issue 1 and also always looked like a regular stage magician. And the CCA wouldn't be a think until the Silver age.

[@randallb84]

I feel that the feeling of him always holding back due to not wanting to kill is a great storyline, one that this movie does amazingly and has a callout in the last episode of Justice League Unlimited with the "I feel like I live in a world made of cardboard " speech. He can kill at will, and knows, it wouldn't have the results he wants

[@The_Bug0222]

Ever since Man of Steel, THIS is the story I’ve wanted to see adapted to live action; a story of hope, of why Superman is so important, why he is the example. It’s what the character needs. It’s what the cynics need.

[@fuzzygoldfish]

I've heard that there are two types of comic fans: people who are fans of Superman, and people who aren't fans of Superman *yet.* That was true for me; I've found I need that optimistic spirit in my heroes now. Thanks for the video, I'm gonna go watch this movie now.

[@hellishhybrid1839]

The moment I read "Best Superman Film" I thought it might be this one. This movie was the best at exemplifying what Superman is about.

[@finnmcool2]

The best Superman stories are the ones where he out thinks the villain, not out punches them.

[@thebighurt2495]

One of my main evidences for why Superman would trash Homelander is that Supes can do stuff Homelander can and turns to be *faking* it and was still doing what he *actually* wanted to and nobody noticed until he points it out or shows his work. He's not just more powerful, and more skilled, he's smarter and even understands people better.

[@mrmanolomax7328]

He'd most likely knock him out, take him to a really lonely place and talk to him, at first like in a interrogation but later on, Homelander'd end up trowing all the beans, and maybe trying to fight again just to be shown that someone WAY more POWERFULL than him is not only a symbol of hope as a side effect of being a Hero by CHOICE. Or maybe they would fight until blondie dies from exhaustion, who knows~

[@shrill1736]

both that and if homelander tried to fight superman he'd get dogged on immediately, homelander cant compete with superman at all when it comes purely to fighting

[@Hakar17]

​@@mrmanolomax7328No way would Homelander keep fighting dude is fundamentally a coward. The second that he realizes he's completely outclassed he would be begging for mercy

[@НурсултанЖаныбеков-б5э]

-"Dream save us,dreams lift us up and transform us into something.And on my soul,i swear that untill my dream of world dignity, honour and justice are reality we all share,i will never stop fighting,ever." -Superman This line is enough to proof that,this alien is more human than all of us.

[@jerzane5617]

Over time Superman has become one of my favorite superheroes because the world is in such a similar scenario as the one from this movie currently. I feel as alien as Superman literally is everyday irl because what I value and fight for is not what the world does. And seeing Superman continue to be this beacon of light and goodwill is inspiring to keep trying. Thank you for putting into words what's been bouncing around in my head for a while now. Edit: I also get really irked how many people misunderstand what Superman is supposed to represent and don't listen when I try to explain. Thank you for taking the time to understand him.

[@Eratic_bhavior]

I was quite literally ‘arguing’ with my mom about this same idealism less than 24hrs ago. Now I remember where my strength to keep trying came from. Thank you so much for this breakdown and I hope it gets people to go watch the movie. Also this is the type of content that’s going to elevate people to a more compassionate Eden.

[@suzygirl1843]

This is why Henry Cavill's Superman doesn't work. He needs to be hopeful

[@crawlingboy]

@@suzygirl1843 no henry cavill super man does work cause he is the perfect fit since chritopher reeves the only issue is damn writers and directors making superman depressing and sad instead of being a boy scout

[@suzygirl1843]

@@crawlingboy Incels say that because they are so nihilistic. This edgelord Superman is NOT Superman at all. The mainstream rejects him the same way we don't want black Superman Tyler Hoechlin is a perfect Superman in his own series. He cares about people feeling "Safe" around him. It's not about physically saving people all the time. His friendship is with humanity and allows people to come to terms with him and doesn't shun them. I think this is a great lesson for everyone.

[@crawlingboy]

@@suzygirl1843 my man you deserve a high five cause that is exactly how i feel and i am happy that there are others that think the same like there is so much modern cynicism that no one even thinks the idea of humanity or hope anymore which are things that help us achieve great things

[@YightLagami]

No killing is stupid because humans have never not killed in any and every major conflict. Also, Humans have always been bad. If they are all good, they wouldn't need Superman to inspire them to be good

[@scarletfairy6097]

This was my absolute favourite animated superman movie. His speech about dreams is legit what I want to slap to Snyder. Dreams and morality are important, Superman is about what good people can offer, why is that so hard to understand?

[@TheManOfTomorrow]

You are misinterpreting Snyder's dream world statement. Totally. Your fault, not his.

[@StopCallingMeShirley1180]

@@TheManOfTomorrow Nope. His fault for saying it in a pretentious and insulting way.

[@StopCallingMeShirley1180]

@@TheManOfTomorrow What makes it worse is his statement that superheroes can’t really communicate in their costumes and be taken seriously: "I kinda came to the conclusion also that they couldn't really talk in their suits, um, with any credibility... more than 4 or 5 lines and you start to notice, like wait, these are two guys ... one guys dressed up like a bat and the other has a big red 'S' on his chest, and they're being super serious about how mad they are at each other..."

[@hariman7727]

"I could to anything with my power, and I choose to inspire and protect." The true American values he was written with.

[@scarletfairy6097]

@@TheManOfTomorrow I am sorry but his Superman was not inspiring at all. Lowkey one of Superman’s key point is to either be one relatable or inspiring. Not saying the movie was bad but it didn’t feel like a Superman movie and his Clark Kent wasn’t the Clark I imagined (I kinda wanted the characters to be like the CW Superman and Lois, lol, CW actually seems to like Superman unlike DC). Snyder’s idea of Superheroes does not mesh well with the ideology of Superman, I feel like it would be better as an anti-hero movie not a Superman movie. But totally respect your opinion, maybe his adaption is not for me. Hope you have a great day :)

[@MrOrcshaman]

This story was the writers of DC taking a stab as Wildstorm for creating the Authority, the comic series about mock ups of superheroes actually killing their foes. DC didn't like that, so made this

[@hariman7727]

"What's so funny about Truth, Justice, and The American Way?"

[@Lioness2895]

That's why I can't make myself like this story because I was a fan of the Authority back when this story was first published so seeing Superman fighting a bastardised version of the Authority who didn't stand for anything put me off the story, I got more out of this than panel than that entire story- static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/superman-apollo-the-authority.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=825&dpr=1.5

[@phoenix_rising23]

I was literally just thinking about this movie/comic earlier today. I used to be one of those people who thought Superman was lame because he was so powerful he never had to struggle at all. But this story made me realize why Superman is so loved and why he's so important as a symbol of hope and the possibility of a better tommorow. Here's to hoping this next live action version we get isn't afraid to dream a bit and embrace who Superman really is.

[@GradeAMolvanian]

There's a reason some people will always hate this character. Some people just want an excuse to justify every horrible thing they've done, or thought they've had. The last thing they want is someone telling them to be better. They want a hero to say 'hurting people who wrong you is good! Enjoy your revenge fantasies! Enjoy your desires for power over others in a world that makes you feel small.' It's not the only reason people dislike Superman, and there will hopefully never be many like that, but there will always be some. I've met them, and seen far more parrot what they said.

[@stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369]

Superman lives in fear too, he fears hurting or letting anyone get hurt around him. He could not, but then he wouldn't be superman. He lives in constant fear but constantly faces it

[@kyleco9149]

Superman vs the elite is very underrated

[@bluemindstudios3256]

Just for the ones who only seen live action, if we talk about dc Animated movies, This is well known and rated as Mask of Phantasm.

[@thebighurt2495]

@@bluemindstudios3256 Justice League: Doom was pretty good too. It actually demonstrates just how scary Bruce really is when he wants to be.

[@spiderjerusalem4009]

​@@thebighurt2495The enitre New52 DCAU movies doesn't hold anything against this one

[@SirTheobald]

@@bluemindstudios3256 lmfao sure buddy

[@otakon17]

All-Star Superman still ranks pretty high, but this one. This one though, this one I come back to whenever I need a pick me up. The absolute distilled essence of Superman's character is this film and the comic it's based on.

[@sensaiko]

The "problem" with All-Star Superman, specially the comics, is that it can only be appreciated fully with a lot of background knowledge. If you put that on a big screen for the general public it may be overwhelming or confusing.

[@supremedreams6789]

@@sensaiko Which is why if you were to adapt that to the big screen, it should be at the end of a trilogy.

[@hariman7727]

@@supremedreams6789 All Star Superman is so dense it also needs to be a series finale SEASON, or at least half a season.

[@misdirection1015]

I'm so glad you covered this film, it is the movie that saved Superman for me when I thought of him as a cliche. Instead thought of him as a moral complexity.

[@ProjektTaku]

nah, just a dude trying to do good and with the power to do it.

[@misdirection1015]

@@ProjektTaku You could say that about anyone, there reason it was a big deal to me was because this movie saved Superman for me, his symbol of hope

[@ProjektTaku]

@@misdirection1015 don't get it twisted, I never said it was a bad thing to be simple.

[@misdirection1015]

@@ProjektTaku I get it, you're all good fam

[@KeijiMaeda86]

I love this movie because it truly humanizes Superman. He's not Kal-El of Krypton, he is Clark Kent of Earth.

[@travelingjazzman117]

This is the *joyful* and *hopeful* version of *Superman* that *Henry Cavill* wanted to portray for at least 1 film when he came back. We probably would've gotten something similar or close to *Superman Vs. The Elite.* But then, unfortunately, Warner Brothers Discovery took it away from him.

[@bluecanine3374]

Let's face it, they were never going to give it to us if it was going to fit into the "Snyderverse" and they wouldn't risk "confusing audiences" with having Cavill play a different Superman. I mean, they prevent their animated shows from using characters or plotlines they plan to do movies on because they think it would be too confusing to audiences and they'd stop watching.

[@ivanagustinortiz5237]

Nah, we wanted The Elite, WBD wanted Brainiac for the 4th cancelled time because it would make them money.

[@tyvamakes5226]

@@bluecanine3374 In all honesty, Cavill was the perfect cast for superman. Remember: Both Amber Heard and Ezra Miller are still in the DC movies production.

[@travelingjazzman117]

@@ivanagustinortiz5237 Yes, WBD wanted *Brainiac* next which would've been great. The point I'm making is, no matter who the next villain would've been, *Cavill* wanted to portray a *joyful* and *hopeful* version of *Superman.*

[@pats3212]

@@bluecanine3374 That's why it was necessary to kill that mess of a universe for good, sucks for Cavill but Gunn made the decision bc he has a complete story for the character since his younger years

[@auroraborealis4468]

When I was a kid I really loved this movie, I didn't know why, but as I've grown up, this story has only become more and more important to me in the face of ... everything, really

[@mickyodell]

It’s videos like this that remind me of the fact that Zack Snyder fundamentally misunderstood superman

[@SHMEEE85]

I've been advocating for this movie for years. It is also my favorite Superman movie. It does a great job of presenting an argument for and against the core idea of what makes Superman, Superman. Then it ties it up in a neat little bow with that ending. Showing Clark's true capabilities and how terrifying it would be if he where to adapt the methods of those who think like Manchester Black. THIS is my type of Superman story and hopefully James Gunn has this type of Superman in mind when he reboots the world.

[@qinlongfei]

As a long time Superman fan who absolutely hated Hack Snyder for completely assassinating his character. THANK YOU! For this video.

[@theunknowncommenter725]

Zack Snyder get nothing wrong, you were the one that didn't understand it.

[@qinlongfei]

@@theunknowncommenter725 Thanks for the laugh

[@Chadcat180]

​@@theunknowncommenter725had a good laugh kid 🤣

[@manat31790]

​@@theunknowncommenter725 Zack Snyder idolizes Dark Knight Returns, a revolutionist tale that depicts Superman as naïve and stupid. He loves Injustice, a dystopia where Superman is an evil dictator. He also thinks anybody who believes superheroes shouldn't kill is "living in a dream world". We are given more than enough indications to understand what Zack Snyder thought of Superman and the superhero genre as a whole, thank you very much.

[@firestrikeriii5043]

He was NOT a hack

[@ninja1man4u]

Superman will always be relevant because what he fights for is something that will always appeal to us as humans

[@randomperson9498]

The whole demonstration of what Superman going all out would be like perfectly exemplifies what Superman meant with the whole World of Cardboard speech in JLU. Clark is "always taking constant care not to break something [or] someone. Never allowing [himself] to lose control for even a moment, or someone could die." Superman is well aware of what he is capable of, of the things he could do to people, and it terrifies him. That fight with the Elite was essentially the Man of Steel finally having a chance to show the world just what he's afraid of becoming.

[@Sorain1]

It underlines how terrible his power really is that we know he was _still holding back_ during all that. Taking time and effort not to kill any of them. All that monologuing is something an actually murderous person likely wouldn't bother with. It absolutely sells the point to be made, that morals, dreams need to be held on to by the powerful most of all.

[@inFamous_Prime4]

The voice actor who played Superman did a fantastic job. He really portrayed how an unhinged Superman would sound in terrifying way. “The world needs people in charge who are willing to put the animals down!”

[@realchezboi]

George Newbern, he also did Injustice Superman so there's that

[@realchezboi]

And a bunch of other Supermans obviously, he's my absolute favourite next to Tim Daly and James Denton

[@CalciumChief]

This story is what happens when you stop being lazy with the character of Superman. When you don't do the same cliched "ultimate power corrupts ultimately" plot or have him fight Batman (most often in a Batman story).

[@MarvelKnight-tw9hb]

This is my favorite superman movie of all time live action or animated thank you so much for doing an essay on this amazing movie! I don't think many people give this movie enough credit or even know about it!

[@milkiassamuel780]

I am 100% in agreement this film quite literally defined my absolute love of Superman. This is my favourite Superman film and perhaps DC's most underrated animated film. It adapts the story "What's so funny about truth, Justice and the American Way" perfectly I couldn't recommend this film enough to the people who say Superman is boring, because to me this film really disproves that notion quite well. It just frustratingly confuses me how such an amazing DC animated film is overlooked?

[@JtheBOSS]

Every time Superman start spittin I start crying cause his speeches are just beautiful

[@kaliek5281]

The only people who think Superman are boring are the ones who dont..pay attention to the actual stories about him. Superman works best *NOT* when he is punching bad guys...but when he is shown as a person. He has the power of a God yet is still the boy from Kansas. THAT is when Superman is done best. In many ways Batman has the same issue. So many focus on the "IM THE GODDAMN BATMAN" stuff and loose sight of the stuff that really makes him great. My favorite Batman scenes of all time are the ones where he isnt brooding, he isn't edgy, but he is being compassionate (for example: Justice League Unlimited - Batman spending time with Ace as she dies just...sitting there and ensuring she isn't alone.) The more media focuses on these aspects of these characters, the better the stories tend to be.

[@Jorge94DC]

Superman is not outdated, is actually the hero that we need the most at this moment. His message is more relevant today than ever

[@Barcxlona]

I have always been saying this. Before I watch, thus is so good because it dives deeply into the morality of Superman and what it means to be a hero. The challenges he faces are not physical, but ideological

[@marcussantos4816]

I feel like this is the kind of live action Superman movie we need and definitely the world

[@tidela4714]

If a Superman movie just about fighting a big bad villain with awesome power, it’s not a Superman movie. He’s unlike any other hero in that regard.

[@elvinereve663]

THERE'S A STARMAN 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@OcsilienLuckens]

Waiting in the sky

[@sensaiko]

I always said that this was the perfect story to reintroduce Superman to cinema, it reitarate what are his values and inportance while also being a good action packed short story. It's a brilliant work

[@frozarburst6350]

This movie made me smile harder and more warmly than any modern DC adaptation. It feels hopeful and not foolishly optimistic. It just feels optimistic

[@onepresence9460]

Superman vs. The Elite, All-Star Superman, The Death of Superman, Superman: Man of Tomorrow and Superman (1978) are definitely my favorite Superman movies.

[@UraniumIridium]

This movie messed me up and then brought me back because I watched this movie through a series of KZbin clips, so I was absolutely devastated when I saw Superman "kill" the Elite. Then when I watched the continuation and it basically revived me. I was cheering irl for his speech and at the end I was a bit teary eyed. Lol

[@thehalfnegativeoptimist4578]

“You need to believe in things that aren’t true, how else are they going to become” - Death, Terry Pratchett’s discworld

[@level3xfactor]

Thank you for being one of the champions of Superman on the internet. It’s greatly appreciated.

[@jeremycards]

Man i couldn't agree more with this video, that movie is more relevant as years go by, it was really really necessary. I'ts been said before, but with all these "evil Superman" made on these last years (u know, Omniman, Homelander or even Injustice's Superman), it's more clear than ever, than what makes him Superman aren't his powers, but his morals. The fact that he chooses to use all of his power ot help others instead of for himself is such a HUGE sacrifice that people don't often apreciate, but now we know how terrifying it would be if he didn't, we have seen it time and time again.

[@randomknowledgeperson2872]

every single time someone calls superman boring or outdated i direct them to this movie. this not only shows how kind he is and shows why he acts the way he does but also shows how f***ing badass he is. i mean, “orbit… he went into orbit at mach 7”? that is one of the most bone chilling and yet awesome lines in superhero cinema history.

[@aarnavs]

I’ve watched and adored every video you’ve done so far but this one… I don’t know, this one just hit different. I was straight up crying by the end. It was just so beautiful and so eloquently put. I love Superman and I didn’t think I could love him any more but somehow, I do after this. Thank you.

[@zackanderson7440]

God, I’ve been waiting for someone to cover this film. I was in a bad place when I rewatched it, hell I still am kinda. but this movie always makes me feel hopeful.

[@LoudAngryJerk]

I mean, yes. My main issue is that he doesn't really learn anything from what happens. He lets those bad men be in power. He enables them. His resolution in the end is to do better, but they're still there.

[@Sgt.Dornan117]

As time goes on this story ages extremely well. My personal favorite movie is All-Star Superman. It straight up made me cry and left me feeling hope afterwards.

[@jamesruggeri2695]

the superman we all need right now

[@InvinciDon]

I love Superman, this movie just shows how great of a character he is and it’s a great movie overall

[@hunteruk3967]

DUDE STOP. I am a Batman fanboy and I don't wanna be a supe fanboy. This video was BEAUTIFUL. The argument were point on. Why the world can keep on saying SUPERMAN is lame but they would be wrong every single time forever.

[@ru_gamerandotaku2431]

Better option why not be both lol but still tho it's our choice on what we like or not but personally I like both especially whenever they work together since they bounce off each other's personality and even there sons emulate that Wich I find cute and awesome but again it's your opinion on who you like more

[@kaneobscurum6016]

I have said it before in other videos and I'll say it again here. This movie, this glorious movie, is the one that turned me from someone lukewarm/indifferent to superman into a big fan. The moment the lines were delivered "Was... was that Superman?" ".....not anymore." I suddenly understood. That moment made me realize what Supes is, was, and forever will be about.

[@johnsanko4136]

One of the best Superman stories out there, and one that I always point to when people ask why Superman is a compelling character. One of the greatest stories defending classic morality.

[@straightouttacomicbook]

Superman Isn’t corny he’s my absolute favorite

[@backupschmliff1156]

I'm so glad Superman is coming back into the mainstream. I've tried so hard since high school to help people keep their hope. Even small stuff like picking up litter. "It's not mine. I didn't do it. Why should I?" If you won't who will? I've seen it happen. When I'm in a parking lot picking up trash, people will come and help me because they see me doing it. It's up to all of us to lead by example. Be the person we wish everyone else was. The media wants us to be selfish and hopeless and think for ourselves, but that only leads to ruin. We must rebel against society and become our own heroes. I'm not one for herd mentality. I believe everyone should think for themselves. However, I like to believe that everyone at their core wants to do good, but is held back by something. Be it a need for acceptance or an overindulging of one of the deadly sins.

[@Xehanort10]

Zack Snyder revealed himself as a real life Manchester Black by accusing anyone who didn't like his versions of DC characters of living in a dream world.

[@MysteriousTomJenkins]

Which I absolutely hate. Zach Snyder: You're living in a fantasy. Yeah...like Batman and Superman are...did you think they were real people, Zachy boy? Like, they are fictional characters in a fantastical world of gods, aliens, super heroes, robots and shit, why would it ever be realistic like in our world? Obviously some realism can be interesting but to assume fiction must be realistic (and to assume no one has the capacity to just be a good and reasonable person...) is completely idiotic.

[@_S_P_A_C_E_M_A_N_]

This proved true yet again with his recent batman statements

[@mister_meme3608]

It's funny when you find out he acted like a little kid when a parent tells him to not do something, after being told that batman doesn't kill

[@Xehanort10]

@@mister_meme3608 Most people grow out of their edgy teen phase in their 20's but Snyder's still in it in his 50's.

[@mister_meme3608]

@@Xehanort10 yeah, when they're young, they're edgy, but when they're older, they're just realistic, apparently, but in truth, both are edgy

[@lucastavares206]

That is the superman i want to see in live action before i die.

[@designerdavemusic]

I love how you see things and how you articulate what these iterations mean to you. You’ve shown me deeper idealistic value in a lot of characters, and I’m grateful for that as I’ve gotten older. Thank you

[@IAmTheDoctor00]

I loved superman as a kid even carried around a tiny figure of him sometimes when watching the animated series. I honestly couldn't remember why I loved him (Spiderman and batman were my favorites but sups was a close third att) but this video sorts reminded me of how endearing it was to see someone with this hope and dream. I've never seen this movie but you've reminded me how who superman was to me when I was young and I thank you for that.

[@VinnieSajan]

You gotta watch the movie man!

[@theofficalchairmanrevoluti614]

This is also my favourite Superman movie! I think the best thing about it is that it utilises it’s time to give us a story which just boils Superman down to his essence. It’s a showcase of EVERYTHING that makes Superman’s core so special. I just love it so much. There’s no other Superman that does this as effectively as Superman VS the Elite.

[@dynaguy3]

One of my absolute favorites! I’m hoping our new live action Superman will face the Elite in one of his movies. The message can be very powerful

[@sharptooth5926]

Superman may be an alien, but he is just as human, maybe more human than the rest of us, seeing things for what they truly are….

[@HaBeFaStro]

I agree Superman vs The Elite is such a gem… with a very enticingly unique art style.

[@sebastienvondoom8615]

Saw the thumbnail and the title and screamed "YES!" honestly this might join Mask of The Phantasm and Into The Spider-Verse as yearly rewatches

[@FLAMEandICE_]

I remember the first time I watched this movie. I went to a friend's house & they had it on their tv. I only caught the last few minutes when Superman was about to "kill" Manchester Black. That final moment of the movie always reminds of who Superman really is and who he could be if he was what everyone would want him to be

[@jarkoer]

When I first saw this movie years ago, it reminded me of an essay I wrote for a philosophy 101 class in the '90s on the subject. I think it's a good Superman story, but it frames the argument a little too simplistically. Of course no sane or moral person would intentionally desire the death of another person. However not all people all the time, especially in some heat of passion or greed or other insanity, are sane or moral. If you are placed in the position of a "defender of innocent lives", your capability to end a threat is going to determine whether the threat lives or dies. Bearing in mind that if you're not able to stop a threat, that same threat is going to have no problems walking over your dead body and threaten the lives of the innocents you were trying to defend. If the threat is an average sized unarmed person with no special training and you yourself are trained and physically capable, two lives are going to be saved. If however you are untrained and physically incapable BUT you employ deadly force to stop that same threat, only one life will be lost. Though if you are untrained, physically incapable, and unable/unwilling to deploy deadly force, many lives could potentially be lost because you failed to stop the threat... yours being the first. And once incarcerated, can this person be rehabilitated through currently known or employed means? Or will he become a "guest of the state" for a while and become a threat when released, starting the cycle all over again? Or will he be detained for the rest of his life? If so, does society have the means to take care of this person's life? But what if there are many threats and many, many more people that the state has to take care of such that it becomes a noticeable burden on society? What then? Do you allow innocent people to suffer for the sake of the lives of a number of bad people? Then again that's what I love about superhero stories. People like Superman have the capability to save lives, including the threat. Fantasy technology and character arcs inspire hope that even the worst people can be rehabilitated. Anyone who says that they must end a life to save a life is not a moral person, however the choice to save a life begins with the threat and not with the defender because the actions of the defender are determined by the threat. Killing is never morally obligatory, but ending the threat that someone poses is. And every situation is different.

[@Sorain1]

Exactly. The problem isn't that the hero(es) is not willing to kill, but with a system that refuses to impose that final sanction in those rare cases it is warranted. In example: There is no point in getting mad at Batman for not killing the Joker when the courts refuse to put him in prison instead of Arkham.

[@PoliceTelephoneBox]

Superman represent being a better person. Thinking we've moved beyond that is why we need him more now than ever.

[@TylerMcNamer]

I've watched this movie over ten times when it came out! It's beautiful! Read the issue before the movie and I knew it would be something spectacular! Superman isn't just a man, he is an idea.

[@shadowhell8378]

Superman is the light he has the power to do basically anything but chooses, to do what is right to help people because it's the right thing to do, to show that there's a better way that's not his way and the storys where his humanity is the focus are always the best my favourite line from Superman is from the Superman the animated series it's "the world doesn't need Supermen it just needs brave ones".

[@sudhanshutomar7538]

That's why I am hopeful dor the new James Gunn Superman Movie. He is kindness in a world that thinks that kindness is old-fashioned. this statement made me think he might actually understand superman

[@Etticos.]

If Captain America from the MCU can work, and he does, there is no reason Superman can’t work as well.

[@nuyabuisness7526]

This is why I love Superman and Spiderman. They both represent hope in the face of overwhelming odds. One that has the power to change everything but the control not to, and one that will keep fighting with the power he was given despite being permanently outmatched.

[@davidthorp01]

Honestly, it’s movies like this, Justice League Unlimited, Batman the animated series, and the original superman cartoons set a shining example of what real heroes should be most of the time. They’re here to help people. It’s not about beating up the bad guys, although they do that because of the former; the idea is to be helpful in astounding or extraordinary ways. Superman has always been a dreamer, he hopes, dreams and cares so deeply that he does everything he can to help people. That’s why he reacts so strongly to injustice, and why sometimes even he needs to be tempered with reason. This said, there’s nothing wrong with the idea that we should all strive to lift eachother up despite our heartbreaks and the horrible things some of the worst of us do to eachother. Heroes shouldn’t kill people unless there is literally no other alternative, and even then (as Batman shows in Batman beyond [that episode with ace makes me cry every time]) even when others think all else is over, we still have to care. Because some of those villains are people too, who are lashing out because they don’t know what else to do. Mr. Freeze. The Trickster. Ace. So many of them exist because they were dealt a bad hand and lashed out in frustration, anger, or resentment. It’s the job of a hero to attempt reaching in to help even if it could get them hurt. Sure, there are monsters out there like Joker, or nihilists out there who want nothing more than power for power’s sake. Great power comes with great responsibility. And sometimes, what the world really needs is a friend. Why else do you think they were originally called the super friends?

[@Yes_Fantasy_419]

Superman to me represents the 1980s a more hopeful, optimistic, and dreamlike time period that's still the greatest decade in human history! Characters like Manchester Black, The Boys, The Authority, and other edgy cynical characters represents the more darker, nihilistic, and depressing 1990s and 2000s. I hope someday the optimism and hope that was so strong back in the 1980s returns. :) Dreams save us. "Believe, always believe." - Superman 2012