It's impressive how you can demonstrate how good technique is a big part for drawing heavy bows. You're a 60kg well fit man and you do things that monsters on steroids would never do
@dsgabosch5815 жыл бұрын
Wow. 100 plus both right and left handed. Plus, good info well described. I am now your student.
@JohnRSrlie4 жыл бұрын
Yes,wow.... im impressed ,not only by the stellar explanation but also by the right and left hand demo, pro avoiding damage if using this when shooting heavy pound bows.
@MikeMafiaII5 жыл бұрын
I dont shoot Chinese or Manchu style, but I watch exactly for stuff like this! There's so much applicable also to traditions which use dissimilar bows. Even tho I shoot Turkish (opposite of Manchu in some ways) so much of this is directly applicable to the Ottoman/Turkish style. To have some stuff applicable to Turkish style in English (not forgetting effort of abulkabza and tirendaz ofc!) is really a godsend. Don't have coaches here either, so some visual with the explanations is really useful for me. Keep up the good work and thanks for all the content!
@alexeylesiuk88663 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your extremely useful videos! For me, "bow shoulder" was a game-changer and I realized it on practice right the next day.
@CMEPTb323 жыл бұрын
Thank you Justin; after your explanation, this immediately relieved any pain I was experiencing. Being new to the sport, you saved my shoulder! (Liked, commented and subscribed...)
@Vellikos5 жыл бұрын
I only shoot #30 so far with thumb draw, but this explains why I have stability problems -- I've been settling the shoulder and rotating my elbow properly, but have been reaching outward as opposed to drawing the shoulder blade back. Thanks for this, Justin! Hopefully this should solve my stability issues I have with my bow hand :) I'd like to add that, I'd love to see more instructional videos like this! You do a great job of explaining things, and it seems like there are very few good instructional videos for practitioners of archery that use the thumb draw in English, if at all. If you're considering doing more of these types of videos, I'd love to see one for better technique with the actual thumb drawing process itself. I wonder to myself if the soreness I feel in my thumb after a number of shots is more the ring or my own technique (i.e. over-curling the thumb around the string)
@jamesrileyish4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. I started archery a year ago with a #35 recurve. Recently I've wanted to move up in weight and I have a #50 now. I couldnt draw the bow. I tried with your method and it was SO MUCH EASIER!
@TheWayofArchery4 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear you found this useful!
@doppelminds1040Ай бұрын
This video improved my form so much, thank you!
@thismaggot11582 жыл бұрын
Well researched. Really good analysis. Well presented and easily digested. This is probably one of the best sources that can be found on you tube. Regardless of shooting style.
@shih-haowang47883 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing the technique! I'm a beginner and have raised bow shoulder even though have learned step 1 & 3, but the scapular retraction in the 2nd step exactly fix my problem immediately
@alexandersalomatin86505 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much! Your videos are very inspirational for those who want to shoot really heavy bows and avoid maiming themselves alltogether!
@hunsbrown8288 Жыл бұрын
Very helpful! I'm the only person I know who shoots asiatic style archery, so I'm on my own learning this stuff 🙂
@lebondave43775 жыл бұрын
Perfect video in the perfect time! Blake Cole was just teaching to me this method with step by step pics (thank you Boss 😎). Thank you so much Justin for passing on your knowledge 😊😊😊 Ps : I just understand with this video that this technic is exactly the same in traditional ju-jitsu I learned 20 years before, a "simple" arm lock to transfers energy an strengh to the whole back muscles... KZbin is definitively excellent!
@wolfJack-qp6si Жыл бұрын
Got a new heavy horse been having shoulder trouble since. this has been a huge help. thanks
@SarcastSempervirens5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Calmly explained, to the point, great and useful info from multiple angles, with a demonstration. This is how videos should be done, fantastic job! I know building a channel takes time and money and effort, but you have a great thing going here and you know your stuff, will check your Patreon.
@JunTheGroomer13 жыл бұрын
Just found your channel today, and I'm loving the informative, detailed explanations!!! I shoot a recurve with a Mediterranean draw, but the information you share is still SO HELPFUL!!! Thank you so much for your willingness to share 🙏💯🔥
@AndrzejSQ9PKW3 жыл бұрын
I just need to start my trening again :> I miss the days when I was shooting my bow
@ernestsheffield99765 жыл бұрын
A nice clear and concise explanation. Thank you.
@THLLS-ej2tq4 жыл бұрын
Just love the way you demonstrate your points so explicitly. The indepth analysis and explanations show the entire mechanics of the exercise with regard to draw technique and release. Who would have known the amount of muscle interaction required to affect an efficient release of the bow string and arrow. Had someone such as yourself not taken time to explain this information to the viewing audience. Thank you so much.
@imronaziz_101 Жыл бұрын
definitely useful instructional videos in traditional archery technique I've ever seen
@nomadicartsarchery2685 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation. With my experience with martial arts, it explains a lot about position of shoulder muscles and bones , compared to ,let's say , simple punch . It explains to me why I shoot 30" arrows. This technique comes naturally to me , of course I have training in it as well . Once again, great video .
@permadynamicsnewzealand26985 жыл бұрын
Very impressive , thank you. Just in time for my learning. Can't wait for the draw shoulder vid.
@pierre-antoinebodin5165 Жыл бұрын
Excellent explanations and seeing you shoot both right and left handed0.0!
@HyperCazual4 жыл бұрын
i've never seen a video with 100% likes... very important information every archer should learn.
@joepass56245 жыл бұрын
VERY cool and very informative. Best controlled shots with heavy bows I've ever seen. Thank you.
@sound_foundation_coaching5 ай бұрын
Impressive and helpful - thank you!
@staso285 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. Great explanation of shoulder technique....will definitely try it out.
@miguelveratraditionalarche93745 жыл бұрын
Justin!! Thank you very much for sharing this method . I appreciate🙏 Great day!
@wmmst112 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the lesson. Made a noticeable difference for me.
@brentona5 жыл бұрын
Here I thought my shoulder was fine! That retract to the spine just opened my eyes up big time! Thanks brother!
@TheWayofArchery5 жыл бұрын
You're welcome Brent!
@rippertrain5 жыл бұрын
I dont think anyone can top this vid ever
@pavelsokolov7742 жыл бұрын
Incredible explanation of the technique, thank you so much!
@XXmolyporphXX5 жыл бұрын
My greatest respect. Thank you very much. The explanation is better than I have ever hoped for…...Grabs Grózer and goes outside 😬
@SuperHyee3 жыл бұрын
Thanks !
@MotherAlgorithm3 жыл бұрын
Glad I found this starting, great instructions.
@johnhanley99465 жыл бұрын
This was very useful, thank you!
@o0oGiZo0o4 жыл бұрын
finally i got the bow shoulder right after repeating 6.40 - 6.50 thousand times and try to mimic it
@sunday2002045 жыл бұрын
IT is very useful for me to reference. i have bow shoulder probmers now. thank you Ma
@ripfletching5 жыл бұрын
Hi my friend I will miss seeing you this year at the salt flats. Hope all is well with you and your family
@TheWayofArchery5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yeah, busy times!
@travelcompass5912 жыл бұрын
Hi :-) I am a senior transitioning from firearms to archery and I have lots of time to practice, thus I am enjoying the meditation and the silence of the archery very much. I am interested in "The Way of Archery" but since I live in a remote area of the Andes Mountains I cant get your book here, I want to request you produce a digital version of the book I can buy. Thank you.
@ILhamKambaa5 жыл бұрын
Good teacher
@rippertrain5 жыл бұрын
I did oilfield work all my life. I doubt i could handle a 40 lbs draw.great vid thumbs up
@jubei68025 жыл бұрын
Wow, thank you so much for this!
@jamesdurrett38273 жыл бұрын
Well done. Very understandable!
@muhammedahmerkhan26058 ай бұрын
Thanks and Thanks alot! you solve my problem
@bear249085 жыл бұрын
Just finish the way of archery book and this video is very help me to learn more and more :)) also include biomechanics physio medical term too :D
@Zonic00005 жыл бұрын
Justin : here's how you do the stuff... Let me show you using the bow with a draw weight as heavy as my body weight.
@tamepenguin5 жыл бұрын
That's not as true as you think :) If you have a look at children (or even teenagers) whose whole contact with sports so far was through a smartphone, even 16 lbs feel (and look from the outside) like drawing an English war bow :) I train those on a regular basis, and if you get stuff like that right from the start, you will avoid a lot of pain and even medical problems later on. Also, you'll get better way faster if your technique is better - and correct shoulder alignment is a big part of that.
@letssee83973 жыл бұрын
He's using the some of the same muscles as a pull-up, so why not?
@KK-kg9hv5 жыл бұрын
That’s super helpful! Could you also do an episode on breathing? Thanks
@Dhimas_Rajavy5 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. This is what I'm looking for.
@NinjaAttorneyAtLaw5 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks for posting it.
@bernardputersznit645 жыл бұрын
Thank you - You are a wonderful instructor
@catalinconstantinescu-maru40723 жыл бұрын
Thank you! This is all I have to say!
@wsamurai6655 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video! This explanation is going to help a lot in me correct my form with my 75lb
@mohamadfaiz42565 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Full with informative archery stuff. You might want to consider using microphone for your future video. Thanx
@kentnielsen94524 жыл бұрын
Hello!. First a big thank you for sharing and making solid good videos. I recently made the transfer from 3D compound archery to asiatic style bows. Thumb release(the works). I find it challenging(mildly under exaggerated) at best!. Aiming???? How?? 😂😂😂 i point now. I get good groupings but not in the center!.
@JSmithski2 жыл бұрын
This technique is great, lets me pull 85# right from 65# I shot so far.
@FJRMarty5 жыл бұрын
Hi Justin! Very good video!
@tengribows55333 жыл бұрын
greate!!!
@peaceowl7312 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant
@ewoudalbach15035 жыл бұрын
Great! THX for the good explanation :-)
@Gribnes5 жыл бұрын
This is a very good start. Shoulder stabilization with the arm in abduction (way from midline) and moving into flexion (as if raising the arm to over head) is when inferior glide of the scapula is most necessary. Ignored in this discussion is inferior/posterior glide of the humerus (arm bone) in the glenoid fossa (the small flat place that the head of the humerous contacts on the scapula). The shoulder is the most freely moveable joint in the body. It is actually a complex of scapula/thoracic (shoulder blade and ribs), scapula/clavicula (collar bone), scapula/humeral (arm bone) and cervical spine because the scapula's upper connection/upper trapezius/levator scapulae muscles require balance between what pulls the shoulder blade superior and what pulls it inferior...not just one or the other. It is posible to stabilize the glen-humeral joint by depressing the scapula AND expand the the g/h joint (to counter over-compression) by pushing the bow (just enough) toward the target without scapulas elevation.. This is somewhat akin to observing how ballet dancers achieve their long neck appearance.FYI the latissimus brings the arm behind the the back and internally rotates the humerus..if you will, it is responsible for anal hygiene. More accurate to describe elbow that you perform as external rotation. At the lowest level muscles work in agonist/antagonist pairs. As for 'back tension' one might desire not so much to run the scapula as close to the spine or as retracted as possible but rather, yes, move scap inferior and medial but leave room for the scapula to move even more at the moment of release. Elsewise that back tension release would require jamming scap into the spine (on the string side) and/or spinal rotation. Surely it gets complicated...In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is.
@lodzero6264 Жыл бұрын
Great last line!
@GyrefalconArgenteus5 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video! It would be a little better with a tight sleeveless t-shirt which would allow us to see all the muscles and tendons and bones. But thank you so much for what you have given us!
@TheWayofArchery5 жыл бұрын
Please see my video "The Draw", where I recap bow shoulder technique as well as introduce draw shoulder technique. In the "Analysis" section you'll see the anatomy at work. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6eqcox4gs2Vgbs
@MyMagicalPeanut5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Justin. Truly remarkable skill. Just a question on the use of Khatra-type bow rotations in Chinese military archery. Does it exist in the manual and if so, how is it applied in the 3 steps method as described in your video?
@ehisey5 жыл бұрын
Gao Ying does not really seem to say much in the book. And for Manchu bows many forms of khatra are just a really good way to unstring the bow. Most Manchu text simply refer to releasing the arrow, as the bow hand should be completely un aware of the release.
@Asiertxu19745 жыл бұрын
Very nice explanation! :-)
@demos1135 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this.
@mikemac12985 жыл бұрын
Can't wait till they do testing showing how long they can shoot before tiring. Pulling War Bows is hard work!
@SarcastSempervirens5 жыл бұрын
Could you do a short video showing the actuall impact of an arrow from a Manchu bow this heavy, on the target itself, let's say on 10-20 yards? I've seen a 4 second video of such a hit and it looks like a canon launched that arrow al the way to the fletching and the target fell over, would be really interesting to see what these bows were capable of and how it looked like when such a massive arrow hit.
@ehisey5 жыл бұрын
Not as impressive as you might think. A good slomo cam might make it look that way though. Normally it either looks like a lighter bow, or blasts through the target. At 60 and bettter I start having that issue at 10meters. Same target stops the same arrow of an 80# shorter recurve.
@SarcastSempervirens5 жыл бұрын
@@ehisey this was not a slo-mo, it was a simple probably smartphone on a stand next to it.
@ehisey5 жыл бұрын
@@SarcastSempervirens I was referring to your request. That is just Justins normal warbow draw. He does some slo mo clips of the impacts on armour on The Way of Archery channel.
@iyoo15 жыл бұрын
awesome info. thank you :)
@jayb43845 жыл бұрын
Awesome rundown, very clear explanation. Are you a physio?
@jts1702a3 жыл бұрын
Actually, Justin has a PhD in...computer science. XD
@riccoratzo2 жыл бұрын
I am a little confused. I watched a Jake Kaminski Video. He says to reach out the bow arm towards the target. But he is a Barebow Archer, maybe they have to use a different technique.
@hasancamlibel3043 жыл бұрын
Videolar için teşekkür ederim. Mümkünse videolarınıza Türkçe altyazı eklerseniz memnun olurum. Kolay gelsin
@SeedfulMusic4 жыл бұрын
Awesome man. Curious, what are you using in your draw hand? Looks like a catch?
@TheWayofArchery4 жыл бұрын
A thumb ring!
@sumahan58595 жыл бұрын
now i explain the steps. hold on! lefty?.. too savage dustin
@chrisbarton94494 жыл бұрын
It looks like you shoot from your riser on the opposite side. Shouldnt the arrow be sitting on the outside of the bow and not the inside? Total newb here, sorry if that's dumb.
@TheWayofArchery4 жыл бұрын
No worries. So the arrow is on the thumb-side of the bow hand because that is the way it was traditionally done for Asiatic cultures using the thumb draw. It helps stabilize the arrow in mobile situations because the index finger of the draw hand lightly touches the side of the arrow nock (to prevent the arrow from falling off). You can see an explanation in "How to Use the Archer's Thumb Ring" on our tutorials page: www.thewayofarchery.com/tutorials.html
@syangkhan5 жыл бұрын
I need to train harder!
@vfc18605 жыл бұрын
Does this shorten your potential draw length with the shoulder depressed?
@TheWayofArchery5 жыл бұрын
Not when shoulder is depressed, but when shoulder is retracted. But this is a tradeoff I'm willing to live with --- a retracted shoulder blade for a stronger and more comfortable pull is worth it.
@vfc18605 жыл бұрын
@@TheWayofArchery Thanks, great video
@permadynamicsnewzealand26985 жыл бұрын
Hi Justin, I wonder if I should put an arrow knock on my chinese bow. I see you have one. What was Gao Ying's thought on that?. How should it be set for this technique? Thanks K
@TheWayofArchery5 жыл бұрын
Gao didn't explicitly talk about a nock point indicator. However, I strongly recommend using one. Why make your life more difficult than it has to be without the indicator? As for evidence that one was used in the past, you may check out this point for a discussion of its possible use: facebook.com/groups/chinese.archery/permalink/2134302703310386/
@namename82073 жыл бұрын
Step 2 hurts though
@chiliparadiseable5 жыл бұрын
Hi, would you agree with my assumption that someone who has practice in doing the heavy kind of manual/physical work of many kinds and crafts, - would naturally or intuitively do exactly what you showed. While someone who isn't exactly the manual type (may or may not have some degree of experience in archery) would rather tend to do the mistakes you also showed? In other words, with the acquisition of some (typically more) strength from manual work that requires strength, also comes the ability (and intuition) of using it correctly and efficiently.
@ehisey5 жыл бұрын
The answer to that is probably no, the shoulder settle and elbow rotation combination are kind of unique to archery. It is also abit counterintuitive as a motion since while stronger you use less strength to make it work.
@chiliparadiseable5 жыл бұрын
@@ehisey Counterintuitive from whom's perspective? After all it is said to be based on historical manuals in the first place and (only) backed by anatomical comparison. And one would assume that the traditional way is not based on research in anatomy, but on a combination of experience and intuition. I see myself doing exactly this intuitively. And the strange thing often is that you actually do things correctly 'intuitively" that might seem counterintuitive to others. And the question is who does things intuitively right, and who rather does it wrong. When you observe people doing their first steps in archery, you basically have 2 types of adherents. The ones who intuitively do it nearly perfectly right, and those who do it completely wrong. And you have to wonder who does what and why...
@ehisey5 жыл бұрын
@@chiliparadiseable it would not be intuitive at all, more like a case if trial and error. GY talks about in his book. He basicly ruined his right side with bad technique, went back started over on his left try ing to avood the mistakes.
@ehisey5 жыл бұрын
Also pretty all modern archers do -not- do this.
@chiliparadiseable5 жыл бұрын
@@ehisey They do not do this because they are generally taught to NOT do it or to do it differently. Or, they observe and copy what they see most frequently. I however am self-taught and I do it. And there is no other way I could do it except intuitively.
@dungeonmaster6292 Жыл бұрын
Is this Chinese Neo?
@dombombed4 жыл бұрын
Where can I get the bow you're using here?
@TheWayofArchery4 жыл бұрын
This is Misko Rovcanin's Tiron. www.cinnabarbow.com/marinerbows/mrbows.html
@shihouneon3 жыл бұрын
From his archery's manual, Gao Ying always stressed the need to lower your bow shoulder, your form properly showed what he said, but why you gripped the bow by dead man grip? I thought Gao Ying recommended "大鹰爪" which is the most stable grip according to his 武经.
@TheWayofArchery3 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure what you mean by "dead-man grip". Lately I've been using a wrist-angled-up version of the 鹰爪 (Gao Ying recommends wrist level instead). As for what is stable: not many people shoot ~130#, so as we push the boundary we get more practical experience of what bow hand grips actually work in the real world. Here is me shooting 131#: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6HPZoGdiraibdE
@UTxTheArchangel3 жыл бұрын
Watching how you shoot heavy bows vs how Historical Archery shoots bows, is night and day. He looks like he is straining himself so much, like it looks bad for his body. But when you shoot, it looks natural, it looks the same as when you shoot a lighter bow, just slight strain in the face.
@petersp5 жыл бұрын
I think if you had done this shirtless and we could actually see the muscles you're talking about, it would've made it more easier to visualize.
@TheWayofArchery5 жыл бұрын
petersp Please see my video "The Draw", where I recap bow shoulder technique as well as introduce draw shoulder technique. In the "Analysis" section you'll see the anatomy at work. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6eqcox4gs2Vgbsm31s
@christianmajewski60304 жыл бұрын
such a great video.. until he tried to prove how strong he is...:/