The Boy the Army Couldn’t Find | Dennis Martin: Part I

[@TheLoreLodge]

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[@26th_Primarch]

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[@TheLoreLodge]

@@budgreenjeans it’s absolutely crazy that you’d comment this when I explicitly explained where each piece of information that I personally went and grabbed came from. We’re all working off the same documents. That’s why you see some similarities. That’s literally it.

[@TheLoreLodge]

@@budgreenjeans no, I want you to explain precisely what was wrong with this. Go on. Tell me what I stole.

[@TheLoreLodge]

@@budgreenjeans nobody is as stupid as you want them to be, dude. You’re clearly accusing us of plagiarism (again) so if you’re gonna do it, do it. Don’t pussyfoot around it. You said we took the whole thing from another creator. Show your work.

[@buddhamack1491]

As a former member of the Army I was twice called upon to duties outside of my scope of responsibility. Once to assist in fighting fires and another to help search for a missing person. At the time we were all very eager to assist as we really just spent all our time conducting various training. 8 hour days repeating training we have done hundreds of times, it got boring sometimes. We were all highly trained in first aid, some of us to combat medic levels and very eager for anything new and exciting to do. Who better to send as additional help than highly disciplined, physically fit, well trained people who follow orders? We were already trained in dealing with difficult terrain, familiar with abseiling, orienteering, radio communication, off-road driving, scanning the environment as we patrol on foot, etc. I really wondered why we didn't assist more often. So why were they there? Because someone finally used their brain and asked them.

[@GuardingDarkness]

Yeah, it's not really a mystery. All these times the Army/FBI/whatever are in helping when you wouldn't expect it normally comes down to, "They had training days to fill, this came up around the time, was cheaper and better PR, so the people in charge threw them at it because it was less paperwork than to set up actual training."

[@tiggytheimpaler5483]

I remember there was this small town near 29 palms where a kid got snatched. The mom was severely injured, but she was able to shoot out the tires on the assholes car that he had to abandon it. So many people volunteered to go hunt perverts in the desert that they had to choose who could go via lottery because they needed at least some people on base because war stuff. Anyways I was deployed at tye tike but apparently the guys who found tye kid beat the absolute donkey fuck out of the guy and then let him go so they coukd hunt him down again. Went on for about 2 weeks I think. Got the kid back asap though

[@tiggytheimpaler5483]

Fought the san Bernardino sherrif over it too because they got mad the marines kept running around, cocks out chasing a pervert with poodles and hatchets

[@domtrabomb41769]

​@@GuardingDarkness this is probably exactly how they word it to, If the other branches act half as bad as some of my friends that are Marines act off base in local towns and such, theyd probably hop on the oppurtunity to get good pr

[@ditta7865]

I can agree with you. My dad was a commando but never served. He was trained and he even agreed that people should ask the military or people who are more trained to come on down and help out in missing person cases but the problem is you have to get whoever's in control of those places to agree to it. You need the government to agree. You need a lot of cooperation with whoever needs the help and there needs to be money spent. I think it would be incredibly good to put their training to use because this is an actual important thing but sadly there is a lot of ifs and butts and problems. Sadly it also depends on how well behaved the men are because I'm not judging all soldiers. I've seen a lot of naughty soldiers and even the older soldiers I know will look at them and go. You shouldn't be behaving like that.

[@GayAnnabeth]

"reports that Tony Stark" needed a double take on that one...

[@takeo_624]

It's specially funny that he doesn't acknowledge this at all lmao

[@davemccage7918]

Tony Stank.

[@OliveWingedFox]

I went straight to the comments XD

[@thurayya8905]

Sark Industries was operational in 1969. I don't suppose anyone saw a flying man encased in metal?

[@silentpoet75]

Wasn't he mentioned in another case and in that one I think Aiden did make a note on the name.

[@HoosierDaddy2a]

20:00 in the town I live in there was a girl who went missing and most of the town of 2,000 cane out to look. There were ATVs, those fan gliders, some guy had an old Sherman tank he used to look through the swamps by the river (that I got to ride in the spotters seat), and even guys on dirt bikes running up and down the local trails. It made everyone mad when it came out that the girl's mother had strangled her to death and first stached the body in the attic, then to their shed in trash bags.

[@nateraiden7161]

Damn

[@nitrous_god]

thats horrible. i am infinitely jealous of the man with the sherman though haha

[@HoosierDaddy2a]

@nateraiden7161 you can look into it yourself, the lady was Amanda Cartwright and it happened in grant county

[@MatthewKelley-mq4ce]

Damn.

[@wormhol3]

ummmm was not expecting that ending

[@astrothsknot]

never underestimate how far a kid can travel. Mine got 2 miles up a beach in 45 mins. I was searching one end, my dad was searching another, I though he couldn't be that far up the beach. he fucking was. Thank God for the woman and her kids who stayed with him because she figured a boy that well dressed and well spoken couldn't possibly be on his own, heard me shouting and asked him his name and brought him a mile down the beach to bring him back. That was not a fun night.

[@rigid73able]

So in that lady's mind only poorly dressed and poorly spoken children get lost and separated from parents ?And how did she express that ?

[@rigid73able]

And yet a boy that well dressed and that well spoken was absolutely on his own.

[@arosbastion7052]

I'm glad you found your son, but there's a big difference between walking down a beach with basically no obstacles and going through the wilderness

[@astrothsknot]

@@rigid73able verbally, i've not yet mastered telepathy.

[@001UnknownPerson]

@@rigid73able whats your problem guy?

[@iamme6773]

As a mom of five, who often goes hiking on the northern part of the Appalachian trail and other places with them, I'm always amazed at the officials' idea of how far a small child can get in a day or two. Not only do they usually run ahead of adults if allowed, they can also get to places that would be impossible for an adult to get to. Like, through heavy undergrowth, by crawling under it. They can hide under, or climb up things that would be impossible for a larger person. Basically, what I'm trying to say, is that I don't think they look far enough usually. Not, even close.

[@susanlippy1009]

Agreed. Used to hike with my boys and they could cross 6 miles in minutes. They move fast. Guarantee they could outwalk any adult🤣. They also can easily get distracted and wander off trail to look at stuff. Be it a cool rock, an animal or just a stick they want. They also tend to not be big on common sense, wandering down watersheds and under downed trees. To the edge of a cliff or up an incline. I think adults underestimate children way to often.

[@jerichohill487]

One of the things that makes the Green Berets behavior so odd is that they are taught to go in and work hand in hand with locals. My dad was a Green Beret back in the 60's, by this time, he was in a reserve unit. *he was not there, or cinnected to it in any way, other than we are from NC, and would go to that area once a year or so) When asked about it, all he would say, was if they didn't find that kid, he's not there

[@TheLoreLodge]

@@jerichohill487 never said what he thought happened, did he?

[@bunnyluver2176]

“…if they didn’t find the kid, he’s not there.” As in the entire Smokey’s? Or the area they’re searching? Where is “there” exactly?

[@jerichohill487]

@bunnyluver2176 I would assume on that mountain. I don't think people understand the level of skill involved with SF guys. No, i don't believe Bigfoot grabbed him, i think a person did. . I think the kid wondered off and got snatched. It's the only thing that makes since that doesn't involve aliens, Bigfoot, the freemason or Constantine.

[@jerichohill487]

@@TheLoreLodge he said, and I agree, that the kid was snatched. It's the only theory that explains it that doesn't involve aliens, Bigfoot, the freemason or Constantine

[@lennyjenkins9931]

​@@bunnyluver2176 Yo booty

[@anthonywatson1508]

I love Aiden's supernatural belief progression throughout the years. Close to the beginning of the channel anything weird is because Bigfoot or wendigo or feral people did it. Now it's him saying yes it's weird but it's probably just something natural and I don't want to sound like Paladis.

[@Jackodanter]

Right!? I've never seen this before! Usually its the opposite where a previously respectable individual becomes (or is revealed to be) completely obsessed with some form of the paranormal.

[@SlugSage]

Kinda boring honestly.

[@ChicagoFaucet.etc.]

Veteran of the Marine Corps here. I can tell you with certainty that any infantry or special forces unit in our military is ALWAYS looking for any new reason or way to train, and a real-life legitimate lost person like this would definitely get them interested for just normal reasons. And, any excuse to use helicopters and smoke grenades. Also, about them being in that location. I guarantee you that they were left alone to just do their thing. They probably were not hard to work with, but they are a special forces unit, and were just plain trusted that they had that area down there secured, so no one else had to worry about that area. I also guarantee you that they did not just stay in that one-mile area. I guarantee you that they were going up and down those mountains. They just didn't disclose those specific details. In short, I distrust the government more than the next person. But, if the Green Berets said that the boy was not in that area, I guarantee you that he was not in that area.

[@miloanderson4359]

You also have to look at two factors in them not finding the kid 1) SF or not, they’re still human. They’re going to miss stuff, it’s human nature. 2) in ‘69 SF was still developing their skill craft in SaR. The development of SF search and reach were still being refined because of wins and losses of searching for downed aircrews and pilots in vietnam and their lessons were getting updated in training almost monthly and integrated into training from stuff coming back from theatre. By the end of Vietnam, SF, rangers and marine scouts were damn near the experts in SaR ops not just for missing aircrews overseas but also became more widely used in searches state side for missing persons in rough terrain to extensive success from the mid ‘70s to present day.

[@axer3515]

soliders get "volunteered" to do things like this often. I was used as a prison guard and a fire fighter when I was on active duty. There's nothing strange about it. Where else can you find hundreds of healthy people with time on their hands?

[@yannmaenden7236]

My guess is that the Green Berets treated it as an extension to their existing training exercise. Which is why they stuck together in a small area. This would also explain the setting up of the helo base and the people coming in later - probably assessors and medical teams.

[@karenmusketnuss2737]

That might be the reason they were in the search. The GB in the area might have convinced the higher ups that since they were in the area, they can help out the search by treating it as part of a training exercise. And the higher ups may have given them permission under certain perimeters, like the search is not under control by civies ect…

[@ericpeterson5994]

Either that, or something else was going on. Normally, active and reserve military is forbidden from doing operations inside the country, except for martial law. National guard can get involved in limited situations, like forrest fires and search and rescue. Active Army/Air Force/Marines and reserves, no, unless martial law is declared, which is extremely rare.

[@operatordokkaebi8306]

​@@ericpeterson5994it wasn't a operation do

[@sergiozammel8261]

@@karenmusketnuss2737 I am no Special forces man, but have had experience in pseudo paramilitary activities, and have some knowledge of what they are capable of. I would suspect being an elite unit, they would never want to be under control of an outside outfit, but conduct their activities under their own control and command. As said previously by a few remarks here, obviously these are highly trained and as their name suggest specialist forces with remarkable abilities and skills. They are exactly what you would want in a bush search and rescue situation. One of their specialties is Tracking, and this comes to a previous remark saying "if they didn't find him, then he isn't there." I often wonder, if they did know something that has not been released, and is why they turned out in the first place. (just my enquiring mind). I vaguely recall another such case they were actioned on, but am not remembering.

[@ericpeterson5994]

@@operatordokkaebi8306 not any official operation.

[@killinginthenameof843]

I absolutely love the co-host. I think you should make a permanent position. 🐺

[@bunnyluver2176]

The co-host is Nick. He has his own channel called The Missing Enigma. If you like this channel, you’ll love his. That is, if you’re into facts, research and logic more than wild speculation based on good research.

[@killinginthenameof843]

@@bunnyluver2176 I was talking about the dog, lol. ✌️

[@margueriteczajka6708]

@@killinginthenameof843I wasn’t actively watching, just listening. I glanced over and saw he was holding a big dog, it made me laugh.

[@tater82]

Absolutely beautiful!

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

It's important to note that just being SF doesn't make somebody a super-operator who can track somebody down from the most minute of details like they have "witcher sense" or something. A lot of the mission success rate of those folks is a direct result of accurate intel and competent planning and handling from the people the dudes in the field. When you take that framework away from them - which those units were designed to function within - it often comes down to the team dynamic, good communication, and a LOT of luck. My point is that nobody should find it strange that the SF couldn't find him. They're not superhuman.

[@godwarrior3403]

I agree to a large extent but green berets take SERE training so they would have been the top dogs to put on a missing kid. I'm sure you already know what SERE entails, you sound familiar with sf stuff. A kid who isn't trying to throw them off shouldn't be that hard. But of course, as you said, a lot of luck. Good or bad luck can throw things wildly. Maybe the kid was too light to leave noticeable signs to track, maybe they under estimated the kid and over estimated themselves and so missed stuff. But yeah. At the end of the day it's like when someone thinks they're tough cuz they beat their military trained cousin in a boxing match or something. People do think that "military" tag means more than it does.

[@victory8928]

@@godwarrior3403 or he fell down into some hole and no one found him because no one stumbled upon the hole. Lots of sad reasons why people can’t hide missing people that are natural

[@jackr2287]

Another factor might be just HOW early into the development of SF we are. They're not brand new at this point, I know, but are they at the point where all the fine skills of tracking are honed to the finest of blades? Or are there still a few dull spots. Also... if we're in the midst of the Vietnam War, some of the best of the best are likely in Cambodia and Laos fighting the secret war on the Ho Chi Ming Trail. And still, a lot of those men died. Some are super human... but not all of them.

[@spracketskooch]

The government propaganda doesn't help. They're always portrayed as superhuman, and most people are inexperienced enough to believe it. I know a lot of SF guys very well, and it always cracked me up that they're extremely brave and resilient when it comes to a lot of areas, but they'll run screaming from a spider, or have to get together in a group to watch scary movies. They're not superhuman, but super human.

[@miloanderson4359]

Vietnam era SF and rangers were very much still in the development phase of their skill craft. During the entirety of their time in Vietnam was absolutely “let’s fight dirty and see what works and doesn’t” especially in ‘69. A lot of stuff going wrong and not working taught them what DID work and a lot of tough lessons in the field during that time. The small snippet of the briefing between the SF and NPS sounds like a small part of an OPORD in case they found him dead. More like “if you find him, and he appears dead, do not assume so unless rigor has set in. You’re not doctors so assume nothing and try to render aid until a doctor signs off that he is.” Just a personal opinion based off of SaR I was involved in once for a missing hiker while in the National Guard in delonaga. (Hiker was found two hours later before we even rucked into our search area that same day).

[@NUFAN1313]

A missing child is tragic in itself, but the fact that so many people AND the military supported and searched for the little dude and still couldn't find him is especially disappointing. Maybe it makes me feel like if all those people and resources couldn't locate him, what chance does every other missing person have.

[@defies4626]

Missing Enigma has a pretty good series on this. There's fairly good evidence that the kid either fell into one of the streams and got effectively chewed to pieces to the point of being unrecognizable, or was kidnapped by a child predator who recently died but couldn't be prosecuted because the FBI couldn't conclusively link him to the incident.

[@davemccage7918]

@@defies4626Third option, Bigfoot….

[@DrBusiness9]

The Missing Enigma crossover is huge!! love that guy

[@randyp9491]

BTW an 8 year old boy went missing in Arizona Wednesday August 21, 2024 which has all the markings of a missing 411 case except for the ending. He and his family were exploring a cave in the Coconino National Forest near Flagstaff. As they were exiting the cave they saw the boy up ahead at the cave's entrance and witnesses said they saw the boy walking with his family to the parking lot and all of a sudden he was no longer there. they called search and rescue and then rain started. Search and rescue we unable to find the boy after searching all night even with. help from searchers brought in from Los Angeles. However, the boys family brought in via New York-based Hatzolah Air, seasoned search and rescue professionals from Chaverim of Dockland County, on a private plane. "When Rockland Chaverim arrived their coordination and professionalism were unbelievable. Shapiro said. They begun searching at daybreak and by 10:45 found the boy alive and stable. So maybe all it takes to NOT be a missing 411 case are better searchers and luck.

[@davidlopez533]

The lava tubes?

[@randyp9491]

@@davidlopez533 I believe so. Yes

[@davidlopez533]

@@randyp9491 he was found?

[@randyp9491]

@@davidlopez533 yes. His folks flew in their own private search and rescue team from New York on a private plane overnight

[@Tomfoolery522]

​@@davidlopez533wow dude was it not explained thoroughly enough in the first comment?

[@woodyblock]

Oh cool the case that turned me into a weird conspiracy guy coming back to force me to double down.

[@rigid73able]

The odds are definitely in your favor!!!!!

[@HorsesArePeople2]

I was just thinking that 😂

[@HorusHawks]

⁠​⁠@@deepwaters3335Don’t leave us hanging…what was the Beret’s job? Did they have an objective other than just finding the lost boy? I’ve heard this story from so many different sources, that it has me remembering something that I can’t fully recall. Were they there as much for the practice as anything? I do seem to remember that they went off deep into the forest with no supplies, intending to live off the land. Am I remembering correctly?

[@calebreynolds9183]

@@HorusHawksthey train near where martin went missing. They offered their services to help. It’s not as strange as you think. Green berets are expert navigators.

[@nessie6899]

@@calebreynolds9183Aidan at some point in a previous video mentioned the green berets being kinda expected due to the training center, the only odd part being they kept sending them in.

[@rogerscurlock2927]

15:26 If Ironman couldn't find him... no one is.

[@Trash-ge1yr]

glad to see I wasn't the only one thinking this

[@GoddessofWisdom]

I was waiting on someone to comment this hahaha

[@nerdyerror8390]

Yes

[@pabloraulpereyra5981]

Same​@@Trash-ge1yr

[@StarPichu12]

ngl, i was in another tab and had to rewind to see if i heard correctly, made me do a full second take from confusion.

[@godwarrior3403]

Shit like this, while obviously making me incredibly sad for the victim and the family, also makes me so thankful to God, literally, that my little brother made it home safe. In '99 when I was 5 and he was 3, my mom tasked me with watching him in the yard while she went into the house for a few minutes. We live in the country, basically straight up in the woods. I was 5. I didn't gaf about watching him. Unfortunately he walked off into the woods within that few minutes she was gone, and he was missing overnight. Thank God it was only a night. I remember seeing my mom on the news and I could tell she'd been having a rough time. Apparently the cops immediately began asking her what she did, where is he, etc. After growing up here, I do believe they probably did react like that. But thank God they found him by helicopter, sleeping under a tree. Only a few miles away, and thank God, again literally, he didn't fall in either of the big rivers near our house. Or get nabbed by any of the perverts I'm sure every hillbilly trailer laden country area is rife with. The fact he's autistic had mom worrying he wouldn't make it. As I've grown with him, I kinda wonder if it's WHY he didn't do anything to make his situation worse 😂

[@danyellethornton5844]

We lived way out in the country when I was in elementary school. My sister was maybe 7 and wondered off into the woods alone. Our dog thankfully took my step dad straight to her. It was crazy how far she had gone thru the woods.

[@JooDawg]

To be fair to the cops it’s always the husband that kills the wife or vice versa, the mom that kills the kids or the father that knows where his disappeared family went. Glad your brother was ok!

[@godwarrior3403]

@@JooDawg That's not fair, that's excusing bullshit. Losing a kid is a traumatic thing, and deciding within hours with no evidence that you murdered your child is bullshit. We have the judicial system we have for a reason. Seeing cops to do horrible things calling it fairness is a level of bootlicking I'm not gonna accept. I'm a fan of these types of stories, I'm well aware of what the usual case is. We all are. You need to take it one step farther and think "Why would someone do that immediately, with no evidence, to a freaked out mother?" I'll never understand those who see cops do horrible shit and act like they're so scared of it happening to them that they speak good of the cops' evil. Like they're gonna think you're one of the good ones. Speak out against bullshit. And for future reference, refrain from telling someone close to the bullshit to be fair to the persons who perpetrated it. These are real stories. Mine is a real story. No one needs a thoughtless comment nonchalantly thrown out to make yourself feel smart.

[@godwarrior3403]

@@danyellethornton5844 My brother says our uncle's dog was with him until he fell asleep under the tree. A lot of my family lives on the same road and their dog would sometimes come down and visit, so it could be true though I didn't see him that day. Dogs truly are amazing.

[@JooDawg]

@@godwarrior3403 Occam’s razor. Sucks but the people closest are always highly suspicious. Especially if your alibi is “I walked away for a few minutes and the 5 year old was watching him”. Come the F on, would you buy that? Obviously start searching, but you’re going to get grilled like a fish. Reality isn’t bootlicking and neither is logic. Pack that trash up and take it with you. Consider it a blessing CPS didn’t get involved

[@DneilB007]

I always miss the start of the live streams. 🤷‍♂️ In case you didn’t mention it in the video, sometimes the army gets involved in a missing persons search because they have a ton of people who know how to follow instructions and have no outstanding missions on their calendar.

[@cherylcampbell9369]

You can start it over again, even on a live feed. I use my phone, and I just drag it back with my finger. Hope that helps.

[@somethingelse4424]

Yeah, and I'm told it's a unit that is trained specifically in woodland environments, tracking, etc. I have a hard time seeing anything nefarious about it.

[@MommyKhaos]

​@@somethingelse4424plus you can never forget the good PR and recruitment that comes with it. Especially during the Vietnam war era, where good PR for the military was very scarce.

[@somethingelse4424]

@@MommyKhaos Rescuing children at home IS sort of the opposite of burning them overseas 🤷

[@theengine8]

I was never Special Forces, but I was an Army Ranger for 8 years and know a thing or two about Special Forces. As a unit they tend to go their own way even amongst fellow soldiers, so I think it’s unlikely that there was any underlying agenda in their search area or activities. Even when we worked with them, combat zone or otherwise they tended to keep to themselves and do their own thing, and I feel like this is just an example of that. I think once it was obvious that the child wouldn’t be found they transitioned into another training scenario and stayed in their own AO and continued their exercise on their own.

[@TheLoreLodge]

@@theengine8 had not considered that possibility, but it would make sense. What are your thoughts on the strategy meeting? Sidebar, I knew a ranger back in college, and from the stories I heard y’all are some badass dudes who saw some tough situations. Hope you’re doing well.

[@CJ-je4hd]

​@@TheLoreLodge A comment below mentioned how they might have been using it as a chance to practice personnel recovery. In which case it would make sense that they would meet and discuss what to do if they had found him and what would be needed to do to recover him.

[@theengine8]

@@TheLoreLodgeit’s pretty much SOP to coordinate with surrounding units, even if it’s only to let them know you’ll be training in an area that other teams should avoid, so the session makes sense. SF was rightfully keeping everyone’s situational awareness at a high level. I believe it was a combination of earnestly trying to find the child and practice on running patrols in their AOR. I personally don’t believe that SF was hunting Bigfoot or portals or anything like that. They’re warriors, and I don’t think you’d want warriors to be the first to encounter Bigfoot or aliens. Pretty high likelihood they’d waste it if it was aggressive. SF is always secretive for obvious reasons, and that sometimes leaves room for wild speculation. SF just doesn’t give a shit if it does lol

[@M60gunner1971]

Paratrooper here, don't you think it odd the SF troops were even there?

[@theengine8]

@@M60gunner1971 Not really, no. They were already in the field apparently and the search would give more purpose to their exercise. My speculation, anyway.

[@andrewtonnesen9231]

Fun fact: the Macon, Ga minor league baseball team’s name is Macon Bacon.

[@rhondaburke2231]

I was just about to comment that 🤣

[@greypolar2720]

I think they had a hockey team called the Macon Whoopees.

[@Partstim]

Also, their minor league hockey team, the Macon Whoopee

[@rhondaburke2231]

@@Partstim definitely can't leave them out!! My Aunt used to think it was the worst thing ever when Channel 13 said Macon Whoopee on air. 🤣🤣 Once in the most southern accent ever she said "well my goodness they couldn't come up with a better name?" My uncle said, "what could be better than Macon Whoopee?" ...... then Macon Bacon came along. 🤣🤣 I just love middle Ga.

[@Off-HandedBarrel]

Because Peaches made too much sense.

[@Trivial_Whim]

My god. You found the Missing Enigma! …guess he has to call himself the Found Enigma now.

[@chriswhite2151]

I've been wondering where he was!

[@kiriliri]

and if he's been found is he really an enigma anymore? He should really just call himself Found at this point

[@pillbugm8914]

I'm happy you got Nick. One of the more logical and reliable channels covering these missing people cases.

[@bunnyluver2176]

Definitely Nick is very good at researching then using the material to form logical arguments.

[@thurayya8905]

I love his videos.

[@brick9084]

you pronounced Macon right, good job Aiden I'm proud of you

[@somethingelse4424]

😂🎉🎉

[@literallywhy6162]

I was doubting myself for a second even though I’ve lived in Georgia my whole life. I was like how else could it possibly be said?

[@somethingelse4424]

@@literallywhy6162 Mácrōñ, Georgioux

[@TheLoreLodge]

@@literallywhy6162 well I learned the hard way that “Mackinac” is pronounced “Mackinaw” recently so I am never certain these days Also, you gotta take a look at Washington. Puyallup, Sequim, and several others have absolutely unexpected pronunciations

[@peridotasadeadbritishmonar7924]

@@TheLoreLodgethere’s a lot of weirdly pronounced town names in the south tbf. I’m a SC native and there’s a town close-ish to the smokeys called Greenville.. except the locals call it GreenVULL and from my experience they will angrily correct you if you say it the way it’s spelled 😅

[@johndeaux8815]

Psychics interested in missing persons cases should learn some botany and topography, it'd make it so much easier to verify/disprove their visions, and could save a lot of precious time in these situations. Either that, or they could just not get involved in the search unless the family of the missing person insists.

[@MatthewKelley-mq4ce]

I'd have to agree with you there.

[@dawnmoriarty9347]

Map reading skills would be helpful too. Saying left/right just isn't very helpful

[@TheHarryLizardd]

Psychics should be interested in not wasting people's time. But you got to get attention somehow.

[@dim4757]

Right? Saying stuff like "Down the hill near the log to the left about a quarter of a mile away from a stream" is more or less a useless description because in all likelihood that can mean hundreds of different locations within the area.

[@katmack4215]

I love "The Missing Enigma"..😀 Thanks for poppin in,Nick 👍

[@Pushing_Pixels]

A possibility for the Green Berets’ actions could be a disagreement with the park service about the significance of the footprints. Maybe the park service really did blow off the footprints as a lead, and so whoever was leading the soldiers just said “fuq it, we’ll do it ourselves”, at which point the two groups stopped co-ordinating with each other. Just a theory, based on my personal observations of the “you’re not the boss of me” model of inter-organisational relations. The intimidation of that witness by the FBI is very weird and suspicious though.

[@wisteriablossoms1793]

this does make sense to me, because they’re only “task” is to search for the boy and “live” on the land. the green berets are not bound by the “search criteria” especially if they’re working on tracking or search and rescue. they would follow what they thought would be the better trail.

[@AhHereWeGo]

I think those green berets were MACV SOG Operators Doing Tracking training using a missing boy as a perfect opportunity. It explains the secrecy around the whole thing and it fits with the time.

[@mattjack3983]

MACV SOG unit only operated in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam War, and was composed of US Army Special Forces (Green Berets). That unit did not exist, train, or operate anywhere else outside of Southeast Asia. I'm sure many of them were probably former members of the MACV SOG teams in Vietnam/SE Asia. But no, they would not have been "MACV SOG Operators" doing anything here stateside.

[@AhHereWeGo]

@@mattjack3983 hey dumbass…. They still TRAIN stateside. Do you think SEALs are suddenly just standard navy when they go train in the states?

[@samuraidriver4x4]

​@@mattjack3983there is still alot of unknowns and secret stuff when it comes to MACV SOG so ruling it out would be unwise.

[@elamfreelance7217]

Hearts & minds yes but also trackers, hunters and killers of men they are.

[@aaronvaughan5506]

Lore Lodge and Wendigoon uploads on the same day? Hell yeah

[@TheLoreLodge]

This may be why the view count on this was astonishingly low for the first several hours 😂

[@alphooey]

Nick Kyle really does need a lot more recognition and subs. Nick’s research is truly inspiring. I always look forward to Missing Enigma upload.

[@sterlingwilkes3240]

You should look up “robin sage”. Its a special forces training operation that happens every year and spans almost the whole state of north carolina. Doesnt surprise me that there were 500 soldiers in the area that probably used it as a real world training opportunity.

[@TheLoreLodge]

I’ve heard of it, probably a descendant of the training program these guys were on

[@KimChilds75]

You pronounced 'Macon the right way. Our baseball team, the Macon Bacon, in the Coastal Plain League. And, the mascot is a strip of Bacon named Kevin Bacon. Our hockey team used to be called the Macon Whoopee.

[@ingridn0g]

So happy to see Nick here again! I love The Missing Enigma, and I found it because of you guys. As a fan of both channels, seeing the three of you working together is always such a pleasure!

[@CodyHomes]

If anyone is wondering how far someone can go after getting lost across any terrain, it's all the way across a U.S. County in a week, unseen, no trace. That's what cattle do sometimes from a ranch to God only knows were, anywhere from minutes to days later, usually alone, or less than a dozen cattle. At least once a cow escaped a slater house, went across the county, was found with a farmer's heard of cattle a week later, ended up on the news, and alowed to live on the farm she chose with her new chosen heard. They decided she earned her freedom and the right to live with who she wanted were she wanted to after traveling for a week to save her own life.

[@melissacoulter3996]

Nick’s drawings are unbelievable. Just fantastic

[@thurayya8905]

His drawings are AI.

[@canisrex5142]

Forget the Green Berets, Iron Man was there himself, and even he couldn't find him.

[@crossedrifles11b]

My heart aches and is somewhat broken over this whole rotten incident. Dennis happened to be around 3-4 months older than me. When I think of that poor little boy alone, scared, and wandering hopelessly in that wilderness my heart breaks. All those people failing to find him just boggles my mind. Rest in peace Dennis. You are still loved and not forgotten.

[@Hack_Man_VII]

The Lore Lodge, Mr. Ballen and The Missing Enigma should have a big crossover stream discussion of a few major unsolved cases!

[@jaredthehawk3870]

Throw in Wendigoon for good measure.

[@landonsillyman3996]

That would be ultimate

[@Hack_Man_VII]

@@jaredthehawk3870 Hell Yeah 👍

[@bunnyluver2176]

I place my bet on The Missing Enigma. His research and logic are top notch.

[@TheHarryLizardd]

Ehhh Mr Ballen is more about story telling and entertainment where is these guy's actually try to find the truth.

[@nathalia5463]

Sometime I wish you guys would make content about south America, because the Scout boy(marco aurelio) lost in the Marins peak it's something I honestly see the channel doing a deep dive.

[@tmmccormick86]

US Army Special Forces candidates receive basic SAR classes before they begin Selection. This is because much of the training involves solo land navigation in extremely remote areas. The SOP is to wait for 1 hour after the time limit for the exercise and then immediately initiate a circular search pattern. So, when a battalion is out training in a remote mountain area and get told that a child is missing, it’s standard procedure to immediately drop what they’re doing and render aid.

[@sandrafaith]

I've always heard "gene" for Jeane (Dixon). I say this because she used to be in the _Star_ tabloid back in the 1970s and 1980s, doing predictions every year, and I'm pretty sure the _Star_ did TV ads (the '70s/'80s, amirite?) and she was a draw. (My mom and grandma used to get allll of the tabloids.) Anyway, so much eye rolling.

[@Ice_Karma]

Seconded on the pronunciation.

[@susanlippy1009]

You are correct it is gene just spelled how the did back then.

[@katelynjoymoore5008]

AIDEN MATTIS. NO FUCKING WAY. I literally grew up near Appalachia and just got cast in a show about Appalachia so I’ve been doing my research and also watching a lot of lore/true crime videos and TODAY I was thinking about how I wanted to watch a video about Dennis Martin and I wish you made one. I get off work, check youtube, and IMMEDIATELY see this thumbnail. I am a bit shook, but still I don’t expect it to actually be a Dennis Martin video maybe just a similar case. I click on the video and here we are. This is crazy. Thank you for coming to me at a time where my heritage is especially important to me and what are the odds!!!!!!!

[@smm855]

lol The algorithm is listenin' to ur brain waves :P

[@thepotatolord2139]

He actually has two more videos about Dennis. One was with Wendigoon

[@poolhalljunkie9]

And I think the one with wendigoon was on location if I remember correctly.

[@katelynjoymoore5008]

@@thepotatolord2139 maybe that’s why it came to mind!!

[@TheLoreLodge]

@@poolhalljunkie9 I’m hoping we can ask Pepperbox to send us to the smokies to do a Netflix style documentary on it

[@suruha2306]

In 1975, psychic, Phil Jordan led searchers in locating a missing boy in a forest. Searchers hadn't looked in the area where the boy was found because they felt it was 'further than the search teams anticipated.' People underestimate the actions of one who is lost, particularly a child. I got lost when I was a little girl, but, in a shopping area. I was frantic! I still remember it. Everything around me swirled, lights seem to flash at me and sounds got louder. I'm sure it was adrenaline, but, I was freaking out! A clerk saw me and had me sit down and wait and, sure enough, my dad came along and found me. Understanding what someone may do who is lost is crucial. Image if you are lost, scared and frantic and see if you act rationally. I'm sure the good people who help in these searches have come to realize this. They are truly heroes. You do a a good job in telling these stories. Thank you!

[@davidlopez533]

I can see why SF would use this opportunity to use this as training for personnel recovery.

[@Boosted865]

Seeing enigma was refreshing and awesome appreciate the video brother's 🤙

[@keelyemerine-mix1051]

This old, 3rd-generation journalist is starting to consider Aiden Mattis an excellent representative of great reporting!

[@Tomfoolery522]

I mean he is a thoroughly "trained researcher" ... As he never fails to remind us in every video it seems. Lol he does outstanding and very extensive work though.

[@kelgrrl]

Check out his Boy in the box video if you haven't..

[@Kushey4025]

​@@Tomfoolery522yeah dudes ego is weirdly huge for doing something a person with a highschool diploma could do

[@klaatuNaatu]

​@@Tomfoolery522 If pretty much all he does for most of days of the week is research stuff then he's probably gonna talk about it when he's discussing what he researched that week. I agree with the rest of what you said but yeah, it doesn't bother me.

[@ingridn0g]

For the people who think he has a big ego: Aidan has stated, in more than one live video, that his only "advantage" over other researchers is his years long experience in looking at missing persons cases. I mean, it's similar to a cop that specializes in a specific kind of case. Or a doctor who is experienced in brain surgery or whatever other professional who has done something so much that, yes, they at good at what they do. So you all don't have to be so butthurt because the man can do something well done. If you think you can do the same (and maybe you can, I don't know, I don't doubt it), just go ahead and do it. No one is stopping you, lol.

[@CodyHomes]

I've just finished a 14 hour shift doing reconnaissance and fighting hostiles. I really needed you again Lore Loge. Thanks, keep up the good work and stay safe.

[@annetterobinson4358]

Army vet & spouse to active duty soldier here: don’t sweat it about the name changes. We can barely keep up! Was living at Fort Polk when it became Fort Johnson & I still sometimes slip up & use the old name.

[@Fido-vm9zi]

That obviously can cause problems for some people.

[@M60gunner1971]

You should still use the old names.

[@standingwatchinarizona]

Fort BRAGG. Fort Polk, Fort Benning. The True mames

[@artisticwife4889]

Ok. Take my comment for what it is: wife of an ex-military SAR with the USCG. However, I think you need to put this in the context of the era. This was the Vietnam War. A military unit has to have justifiable orders to operate a mission on public lands. Even today, the military can be invited to help or assist with search efforts but they have different means and goals than an investigatory branch of the government. I can believe that the Green Berets and others found footsteps. And, once again, given the time, it is entirely feasible that their mission became a training exercise to comb a very, very focused area partially to train them to cut for sign or move efficiently and quietly through a dense, wet, muddy gully that would mimic some of what they were about to experience out of country. The other part of this is that the military, especially special forces, isn't going to be correcting NPS narratives or insisting that their efforts BE documented. They will work and say very little because that's the job. The smoke signals and plan of action is a standard in MILITARY searches. It's not so much that they have found or expect to find something; it's just a different SOP. My husband's job was to think about and prepare for all possible outcomes. The NPS ethos has always been protecting the people from the park and the park from the people. Those are two different approaches.

[@standingwatchinarizona]

Same here. I was at Fort Hood and our company commander took us on the Colorado River. He had to get permission from Third Corp commander, a three star general to do it. I have no idea how he justified this, but he did. Even used a military duece and a half to get there and back.

[@jasonbates2687]

cranking out some great content lately. continue please.

[@UAPReportingCenter]

This channel has a really upped its game. You guys are doing fantastic work. Some of the best on all of KZbin.

[@davidgreen7835]

Finally, I made it to a Lore Lodge premiere! Am I dressed Ok?

[@cherylcampbell9369]

You look mahvelous😅

[@nathanwhite6350]

Yes sir, your decision to just wear underwear is absolutely exquisite

[@DustinManke]

Did you wear your Bigfoot costume?

[@drewroosevelt6506]

You’re missing your pants but otherwise you’re good!

[@davidgreen7835]

@@drewroosevelt6506 who can keep track of all these pants? That's a Lore Lodge-level mystery.

[@amandabarrett7945]

Yay! It’s the Missing Enigma!

[@virginiaelizabeth4577]

23:22 BEST PART

[@DulceDul217]

(folding laundry, so wasnt watching) Was like "Hmm, what happend to his voice?. Looked up Was NOT disappointed 👌🏻👌🏻

[@virginiaelizabeth4577]

@@DulceDul217 😂

[@vampire9545]

I saw this comment JUST AS I brought video up.

[@luckystarfarm5948]

I have a lot of trouble sleeping. I really enjoy watching your videos actually but they are also really great to fall asleep to. Thanks for making awesome videos.

[@CodyHomes]

Agreed and same here.

[@GoddessofWisdom]

0:50 I thought they had randomly started doing a poetry segment and I was very confused

[@ScotiaLynn]

The segments holding the dogs always makes me laugh, I love it so much. And what a great segment with Missing Enigma, I love his channel and his art and narration

[@starsparklemonkey3390]

I don't know if you would be interested, but since you do Appalachia adjacent stuff, would you be interested in doing a video on the WVU coeds beheading case. It has wild twists (including ocult organizations) and it deserves attention and could be solved if more people are exposed to it imo.

[@tater82]

23:40 what a beautiful baby!! ❤❤❤ definitely need more of that sweet face in all videos.

[@christerprestberg3973]

In Sweden atleast, the "homeguard" basicly the same as the national guard are involved in almost every missing person search. Also 10/10 episode it had a very good doggo.

[@dhelix85]

Searches involve entirely too much luck. Ive been involved in 3 searches, one of which my group found the missing hunter. When we found the guy he was unresponsive and had a broken leg with the bone coming through the skin after falling down an embankment. We found him because he had stepped off the trail and left ONE footprint before his fall. We (five men) had to walk down nearly half a mile and come back through thick geowth that we had to literally hack through. We ended up passing the guy by 200 yards or more and had figured the guy wasnt there. On the way back to the trail someone just happened to see the guys rifle barrel leaning against a tree and he was a few yards away. The guy survived by sheer luck.

[@MissyJ]

25:00 ah yes. The perfect lap dog. What a good boi.

[@allysimeone4872]

Hey just wanted to thank y'all for all you do. Your videos get me through my 4am solo shifts so I'm no longer an anxious mess at work.

[@EShirako]

23:20 "Sudden Pupper!" :D Very cute! That dog looks quite pleased with its life. "Hi! I are Doggo! Doggo here to visit..!" And, they really did seem like they wanted to not have to put up with the 'psychic help' "Checked and re-checked to no avail" is a terrifying motto regarding a search for a missing child. o.O

[@bunnyluver2176]

😂 “I are doggo,” I think you meant 😂

[@kingazak5712]

GOD, I MISSED NICK💛✨ thank you for featuring him! Truly one of the most underrated creators here on KZbin

[@Freeman_Gunner]

It's Robins Airforce base in Warner Robins Georgia south of Macon Georgia, but you did pronounce Macon correctly.

[@laurahenriksen19]

Yours and Nick's channel are two of the best for resources. Definitely x

[@klbriceno1]

this case is so frustrating to me.. why wouldn't the foot prints be important? why the hell would there be a single set of footprints with one shoe on and one off? it seems so likely that a child lost in the brush would lose a shoe. to me it seems he was roaming around for so long he lost his shoe, unfortunately a predator came across him and saw an opportunity. The fact that they came across that sweaty man acting suspicious enough for them to take notice and then HEAR A SCREAM of help. the man PEEL OUT and a scream coming from the car.. that when they got home and heard about the boy they obviously thought it was connected.. and then the calls being from someone obviously trying to intimidate him because he knew what the car and the man looked like! ARGH!! this case! also, it seems dumb to follow psychic leads but I think if your a desperate parent, you would be willing to look into any and all possibilities however unlikely they are.

[@Bevaboo]

Thanks for reminding me of Missing Enigma. I enjoy his videos; they are as well-researched as your own.

[@jaxik6506]

It’s actually more common then you would think for the army to use the Smokey mountains and the blue ridge mountains for training exercises. It’s a harsh environment to train in and is some of the best training you can get. Anyone familiar with the band of brothers would recognize Curahee from the opening episodes, that actual mountain is in the blue ridge mountains. As is mountain phase of ranger school going all the way back to the 70s.

[@kelgrrl]

I live near there and yes we get a lot of training of many military flyers.

[@Fido-vm9zi]

I hope they watch out for "unseen" dangers of various sorts, particularly those that like to swallow people. There are so many, and tons probably not even considered.

[@elizamiller1439]

I highly recommend following missing enigma. He tells well-researched stories, typically about people missing on a trail. The stories are illustrated by original artworks. As an art teacher, I really appreciate well executed illustrations. They are more expressive than a black-and-white photograph, but not cartoonish.

[@michaelhowell2326]

In my humble opinion, I think the Special Forces being armed isn't as bizarre as it may seem. The are the tip of the spear and they train like they fight. It was just great practice.

[@wisteriablossoms1793]

i searched for my missing dog in the field armed with a .380 and a shotgun on my back 🤷🏻‍♀️. but also i can hear coyotes at night in that field, and it’s 180acres of open land behind me. anyone being armed in the “woods” or “fields” isn’t strange to me because i live in the south. everything here can and will kill you. (edit to add that my main yard is fenced and we go out to the back field but dogs don’t go)

[@michaelhowell2326]

@@wisteriablossoms1793 same with me. I'm actually from the Blue Ridge Mountains of North Carolina, just a bit north of this incident.

[@sethorlemann4574]

Great video. No matter how many times this case is covered it’ll never not blow my mind on how so many looking never found so much as a trace (besides the elusive footprints). Missing Enigma is the 🐐. His channel is such a double edged sword because the videos are incredibly well researched and put together but that process takes time so his videos are few and far in between. Glad to see him pop up on this video and on this channel from time to time! Lore Lodge and Missing Enigma are my top 2 channels for this type of content, always love the collabs

[@CreativaArtly]

Poor kid. Also a real Tony Stark?! Must be irl iron man. Also Jeane/Jeanne is still pronounced Jean. It’s just the Dutch spellings. I know because it’s a family name, my grandmother’s middle name. Love Nick. Glad you have him on this video.

[@Sunfl0werTE]

iconic collaboration

[@pajamapantsjack5874]

These videos have really gotten my noggin joggin with the stuff I wanna write and draw for horror stories

[@joelspaulding5964]

Love the collaboration; Lore Lodge- Missing Enigma.

[@armphidiic2609]

Missing Enigma is indeed excellent. Im interested to see your discussion of the Dennis Martin conspiracy theories and the conclusions you end up with relative to him. Thank you for your work.

[@kixyoung3607]

I just have to say that lore lodge has quickly become my favorite channel. You guys deliver everything so well with so much thought and research and it’s truly appreciated!

[@IridescenceYT]

To those it may concern: Dog - 23:22

[@kelgrrl]

Whose dog?

[@IridescenceYT]

​@@kelgrrl Whose dog it is matters not. What matters is that it's a dog and that it's adorable :)

[@digitalbear1217]

Sevierville is pronounced "Severe-ville". And in true Tennessee fashion, the "-ville" is more of a "vul". This is not a petty correction, this is more just me sharing my experience so the rest of the world can appreciate the beauty of the Appalachian dialect. You'll thank me when you're at Dollywood and you want the guy serving you cinnamon bread to think you're a local!

[@codybassett112]

I love the husky jump scare

[@scarletteddards6034]

My 3yo that you met at blobfest recently hiked 9 miles with me on the Ricketts Glen falls trail. It’s one of the most rigorous trails in PA and she did it in a matter of hours. I think that people seriously underestimate just how far a child can go in the wilderness, especially with motivation

[@lily-iv3rn]

I'm so glad this case is getting revisited, it's one of the most mysterious ones. Also, about the moon landing, if by any chance you have access to some kind of ai that can translate youtube videos I would highly highly recommend checking out a video on this topic by a russian channel called GEO, it's a 3 hour long documentary with insane amount of research and detail.

[@Bruhsephus]

The moon landing happened. If you’re watching a 3 hour Russian documentary on it, you’re autistic or crazy. Both most likely

[@rigid73able]

Did you watch it translated?

[@lily-iv3rn]

@rigid73able no, I am from Russia myself so I watched it in original

[@rigid73able]

@@lily-iv3rn cool. What was harder to learn Russian or English?

[@lily-iv3rn]

@rigid73able Russian is my native language, learning English was not too hard as its grammar is way less complicated than other languages and for vocabulary watching youtube videos helped a lot

[@Myrdden71]

Very thankful for the clarifications on this! It was one of the main reasons I became interested in the Missing 411 cases. Still hard to believe they never found him, if foul play was not involved. So very sad.

[@CRYhavoc_INK]

My life shall have purpose in just under 3 hours again!!

[@AshesOwOAshes]

Tbh, mood

[@suchlou2297]

This really small town I live in had a missing boy case recently, and the community went nuts. Farmers and locals and local restaurants all offering food for searchers, searchers needing to be turned away because there were legimitemately too many to fit the damn forest - folks were out on foot, I'm pretty sure there were helicopters, people on horseback... they did find him, in the end. He hadn't survived past the first night, the poor thing - the cold took him. It was a sad time for everyone, but especially the family, of course.

[@souljaboy4892]

51:35 a lot of people need to pay attention to this whole part

[@wanderingyeehaw]

20:06 "When kids go missing in these stories, it is- it's heartwarming." 😭

[@Luka-ml4ho]

21:10 When kids go missing, its heartwarming. - Aiden Mattis 😢😂

[@TheLoreLodge]

I was so worried Thornbury made me look bad again 😂

[@iamnotascam3592]

23:22 more of this princess please, best part of the video

[@PROXY115]

Keep up the great work boys

[@Geraltsgirl83]

Another great video, guys! 😊👍👍

[@digitalbear1217]

East Tennesseeans look out for each other. Y'all means All!!

[@jhanner80]

Good call including Nick I love his channel also

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

After giving it some thought, the sense of increased secrecy around the green berets later in the search could be due to the use of then-secret technology. Man-portable 'starlight' scopes or even early IR mounted on a helicopter, if not video cameras then photo cameras using then-extant IR film stock. Explains the secrecy, explains the chopper LZ, explains why they ASSUMED they'd find him soon. If they were treating this as an extension of their training exercise it makes sense they would jump at the chance to familiarize themselves in the field with that kind of technology. If this is true, then there might actually be documentation sitting around, declassified in some dusty archive. It could even be digitized by now. Worth looking into this lead, perhaps.

[@randyp9491]

I think the Missing Enigma has put this story to rest. there's nothing more to add to it

[@mecahhannah]

Agreed

[@Chocolatier1800]

"The case is closed, forget what you've heard" comment

[@virginiaelizabeth4577]

Ok...? So no one else should cover this case bc in YOUR opinion 1 KZbinr "solved" the entire case? That's pretty ignorant thinking & maybe u should keep it to yourself. & that's no shot at Nick (Missing Enigma) whatsoever.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

​@@virginiaelizabeth4577 They didn't say "don't talk about it" they just said "there's nothing more to add to it" - those two things are not equivalent. You can present the same information in a different way, but it's still the same information. Tbh I think the only thing that would genuinely add more context to the case is an interview one of the US Army searchers, but that would be more likely to bolster what we already suspect than it would be to uncover new information. At any rate, your response seemed like an overreaction and I'm not really sure why you would be so inclined. The only thing left to do is to find the remains and really put the mystery to bed, which I believe Missing Enigma is helping to accomplish by eliminating the other theories and clarifying some of the often-misconstrued details that have been sending searchers in the wrong direction for decades after the fact.

[@burtbiggum499]

​@@virginiaelizabeth4577 y u mad dawg?

[@andrewritter2873]

I absolutely love the attention this channel gives mission enigma. He's so good at his investigations. They're so thorough and objective. His channel deserves a lot more attention. That being said, still love your guys' work!

[@remylebeau7258]

Sheepsquach did it.

[@LoganSearles]

These types of stories drive me crazy. Where the hell did this kid GO!?