Missing 411 | Was Mark Hanson Attacked on the Appalachian Trail?

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Part of the undeniably spooky Appalachian Mountain Range, the Great Smoky Mountains are home to some of America's most famous missing persons stories - in this case, that of Mark Hanson, a name brought back to the public eye by names such as Dave Paulides and MrBallen. Mark's case is known for the strange decisions he made, and the discovery of his backpack in an odd location by searchers after his disappearance. Did Mark simply wander off trail in the dark, or did something more sinister occur? Welcome back to The Lore Lodge...
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00:00 - Cold Open
00:25 - Introduction
05:48 - The Trip
13:25 - The Search
24:01 - Questions

[@TheLoreLodge]

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[@CreativaArtly]

My go to cereal. Chocolate and cinnamon roll are definitely my faves.

[@shepherddog1199]

Will look into it. Also, Aiden (hope I spelled it right), have you read the early Church Fathers?

[@DorkDavidIsCrazy]

I think some of the weirdest and unsettling thing about missing people in woods. It’s that it plays out like a horror movie. We ask a lot of questions that we ask during horror movies like… why did they spilt up? Why did this action make sense to them rather than this action. It’s eerie to me how that happens.

[@DorkDavidIsCrazy]

I think that’s why people like to believe there is an almost supernatural feel to it. Cause it reminds us of our own horror stories. The only difference being that we can see the monster in our horror stories but in real life we cannot

[@alphooey]

Looks like you’ve been eaten alive by mosquitoes.

[@GenXGamerGirl]

Rule #1. Don't split the party.

[@gimmeurkidney]

i wonder how many horror movies need to come out for people to realize this lol

[@Adshercott]

But how else do they look for clues?

[@TigerLily61811]

The Al Green Rule.

[@kaylahevans8334]

I have this quote on a magnet 😂

[@OriginalStachuJones]

BUT FRED DID IT ALL THE TIME

[@Fuhrious]

“Why was he screaming?” Has to be one of the single most ominous sentences ever heard or written.

[@williamwinstrop3918]

Drama queen….

[@jahnj2523]

There's plenty of things out in the forest that you never want to see. They even make bigfoot seem safe.

[@Fuhrious]

@@williamwinstrop3918 William, imagine you’re out camping with friends. One goes out in the dark to take a pee. you and your friends are sitting around the campfire and all of a sudden you hear your friend screaming, going further and further away. Being the realist you obviously are, You say "he might’ve seen a snake or something" knowing it didn't sound like that. His screams were life and death. In the pit of your stomach, you know you're lying to yourself. but then your friend calls you on it and asks “maybe, but why was he screaming?". Even you, sir, with your nerves of steel, and your lack of empathy would feel afraid at that time. An ominous sense of foreboding.

[@MrBrachiatingApe]

@@Fuhrious He'd be pissing his pants. Internet tough guy usually means real-life chicken.

[@Fuhrious]

@@MrBrachiatingApe bingo

[@KeithPrince-cp3me]

I think they had a serious falling out with Hanson repeatedly complaining then finally stubbornly refusing to go on.

[@alphooey]

If the description of his behaviour is true he sounds like a pain in the bum. Doesn’t sound like any of them were in a fit enough state to have done the hike even in good conditions.

[@TimothyCollins]

I hate to say it but obviously the first person to look at when another person disappears like this is… the only other person near them. We have to ask if perhaps there was foul play here. There were only two people there, it was a full night to do something and so the obvious opportunity exists. So we have to ask if perhaps the other person had a motive.

[@pfifltrigg]

Yeah, I can understand the frustration, but he knew how dangerous it was to first leave the pack and keep hiking instead of just setting up camp there, and then leaving his friend alone with zero supplies in the cold. I guess it's not technically foul play or negligent homicide but he knew leaving him alone could lead to his death and did it anyway.

[@monkmoto1887]

@@pfifltriggdead men tell no stories. That pack could just as easily have been left there by the person who supposedly found it seeing as the person who allegedly saw him leave it is the same person

[@drsteiner12]

Oh boy, do I know those type of people. I had many instances where I was debating leaving them behind to stop hearing their constant complaining, they don’t seem to realize they aren’t the only one tired from the travel. But I know doing so is death sentence for my companions so I just suck it up and remember never to travel with them again in the future.

[@CrypidLore]

Pro-tip with Magic Spoon, if you want a cheaper alternative just buy edible packing peanuts and some cocoa powder and you'll have the full experience of the chocolate one.

[@subrosa4792]

Isn’t it like $15 a box at the grocery store? I guess Granolas will pay anything for natural food?

[@twister356]

True

[@jannettb7930]

My thoughts exactly lol they're about 10 bucks a box at my local grocery store, but I had a 30% of coupon so I got the chocolate kind. Either the chocolate is an anomaly and the other flavors are awesome, or all these KZbinrs sponsored by magic spoon are liars.

[@twister356]

@@jannettb7930 I got 4 boxes of the cereal to try it cause “HeAlThY” and they were all bad

[@jannettb7930]

​@subrosa4792 what makes you think magic spoon is 'natural food'? I assure you, there is nothing natural about it.

[@Puffalupagus360]

Magic spoon's entire script read is a list of reasons I should not eat their cereal.

[@atomabl1424]

Dude let me tell you from experience magic spoon is magically ass

[@reecewestmoreland6137]

I think the only remotely paranormal aspect of this is the lack of common sense on display of dumping your pack under those conditions.

[@mattjack3983]

Yeah that was incredibly dumb

[@Sollinare]

Yeah, it's like they did everything wrong.

[@Orchidbeetle]

@@Sollinaredumps his pack, sits down and gives up in the woods, his friend splits up from him. Yeah definitely sounds like the script to horror plot

[@anonyvatedalexander5902]

You assume he dumped for no good reason? Omg

[@reecewestmoreland6137]

@@anonyvatedalexander5902 well there's not good reason in those conditions as it was literally his only chance to survive. Miles for civilisation out in the dark and cold. Dropping it was nearly signing his death warrant

[@Red0543]

If my friend suddenly just drops his pack because he can’t carry it anymore I would’ve definitely turned back right then and there. To continue on without equipment or supplies in those conditions is a death sentence! Hell, even if I had to carry both him *and* his pack I would’ve done so because friends don’t leave friends behind!

[@dangerxbadger2300]

Even if you have to do something like fashion yourself a little sled out of dead branches and grass or something or twine or whatever to pull it behind you so the weight is more evenly distributed and you can use your whole body weight to pull instead of the pack's weight being on your back and shoulders, you figure something out. You don't just leave gear and people behind, ever. Ever ever.

[@ingridn0g]

Agreed! Also, they totally could have set camp together right then and there! Comfortably? Hell no, but at least none of them would be alone, they would be on trail, they'd have shelter, and also could share some body heat (besides the equipment) to keep both alive through the night. You don't just LEAVE your friend behind at night, in a forest, in the snow, knowing he is exhausted and cold and has no equipment on him!!!

[@alphooey]

@@ingridn0gyeah when he first started fretting about his pack I’d have said to him “let’s head back”. If he wasn’t up to heading back then set up “camp” and head back in morning after a rest. Then again I wouldn’t have let the first guy go back by himself. Everyone sticks together. You all head back and then make plans for what to do next. Doesn’t sound like any of them had a clue.

[@valkeriejones3818]

"I can't carry it for you.... but I can carry YOU!"

[@DjDeja]

You guys have to keep in mind this was a completely different time. This was 1975. Think about the mindset of men back then, likely male bravado and if one dude assured the other they would be fine, the other guy wouldn't push the issue.

[@MadamFizzgig]

I grew up in Maine. Lotta snow here. The worst move you can pull in a snowball fight is the “white wash”. You get picked up by your legs and thrown face first into a snowbank. Then everyone stuffs your clothes with snow. That’s the only thing I could think of in a snowball fight that could make someone so pissed. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@sea_triscuit7980]

That's not even a snowball fight, that's like Chinese water torture haha

[@scottiesrockmaggie6279]

I grew up in Missouri and another thing that could cause animosity is a rock either inadvertantly or purposely has a rock in it. It wouldn't have to be a big rock to hurt like fire.

[@aria6136]

I was thinking pee, or rocks, or ice in the snowball

[@MadamFizzgig]

@@sea_triscuit7980 I once was woken from a dead sleep by being thrown into a snowbank in just my underwear. I still get flashbacks 😅

[@pablojansen2080]

​@@sea_triscuit7980American frozen water torture

[@muppetb.lansing8374]

No matter how tired I would be, I'd NEVER stay at "Cosby Knob Shelter." Just keep moving folks

[@tannermcguire7713]

Sweaters and puddin pops required

[@llcoolray3000]

The hypocrisy there is the worst.

[@MKUltra42]

When I heard that I knew the trip was doomed.

[@kitalalaris]

What's at Cosby Knob Shelter?

[@MiB1313]

@@kitalalaris Unauthorized entry into another's body.

[@lily-iv3rn]

Lore Lodge videos premiere at 23.00 where I live, but it is always great to start the weekend with a high quality documentary by my favorite youtubers

[@agingersopinion4820]

I feel that. it's a 22:00 premiere for me, lol

[@TheLoreLodge]

We tried to split the difference as much as possible by going with 4pm EST haha

[@rignea8662]

@@agingersopinion4820same here

[@lily-iv3rn]

@@TheLoreLodge thanks!! much love from Russia ❤️

[@vitalucas9452]

​@@lily-iv3rn😮 Wow! You must have tales of creatures in the dense woods.

[@brn2579]

Here's three options for a snowball fight going too far, 1. Yellow snowballs, 2. Rolling rocks up in snow and throwing them, 3. Throwing chunks of ice.

[@tannermcguire7713]

Well the snowman in monsters Inc. Did warn of the yellow snowcones

[@scallopohare9431]

We have bobcats. We get an extra color - red snow.

[@DryptosaurusDavid]

I’ve been hit in the face with a piece of ice before and it hurt. Fuck the friend who did it. He’s an ass clown now.

[@brunoactis1104]

4. Wrapping snow around a grenade and throwing it maybe

[@CaptainTrips560]

As another commenter said, there’s a thing called “white washing” where you throw someone in a snowbank, so the snow gets inside their clothes. In normal conditions, that’s douchey & something that will piss people off. Out in the woods, it could be deadly

[@survivaloptions4999]

1. Just because it's spring where you are doesn't mean it's spring on the trail. 2. You can die of exposure at 70* F 3. If you are lost, sit your ass down and don't move unless you absolutely have to.

[@thatsickkidjaz1749]

And I dont think people take into account how cold it actually gets in the mountains. Even in summer it is like 10° cooler on the summit

[@scarling9367]

You can die of hypothermia in fairly warm water as well. People underestimate it.

[@jackie165]

@@thatsickkidjaz1749Yeah I just went to the Smokies a few weeks ago and while it was 85° in Knoxville, it was 65° in the mountains.

[@matthiasthulman4058]

​@scarling9367 that's why I never understood those people that wear shorts or just a t-shirt in the winter.

[@CaptainTrips560]

I’m a very experienced hiker who nearly died of hypothermia in the middle of July last year because of a momentary lapse of judgment that wound up nearly having major consequences

[@my11badkids78]

Cosby Knob Shelter sounds like a place your going to get free drinks and a solid nights sleep😂😂

[@jessepitt]

😂😅

[@jenniferholich9592]

Or something... Lol

[@AverageAlien]

Before the accusations begin, no, it wasn't us...

[@jamesknapp64]

But are you sure?

[@al1383]

That's what all the aliens say

[@trustworthydan]

Sounds like what someone that's guilty would say...

[@horrorhotel1999]

What about above avarage aliens? any comments you can make? we were umable to reach your peers for their take?

[@SockieTheSockPuppet]

I mean, from what people say you guys aren't the only ones out there. But Grays are generally seen as more cruel.

[@averageguysgadgetguy]

What kind of a friend leaves his buddy to camp alone in the snow? That sounds so sketchy imo

[@tannermcguire7713]

Bring them along or stay with them regardless, we've seen this shit happen for centuries

[@CaptainTrips560]

I feel like you could make a case that that’s attempted murder, or at the very least, negligent homicide

[@nickdarr7328]

​@@CaptainTrips560absolutely not. No one forced him to go hiking. One friend already turned around. Obviously the guy wasn't fit enough. And the friend carried his pack as far as he could. I'm sure both guys thought they were very close to the shelter and just needed to press on. So when the guy stopped the friend wanted to get warm and kept going thinking the shelter was near which of course it was. If he found the shelter he would have got warm, put his stuff down and went to convince the friend to keep going. The friend was just stupid and probably spoiled and used to be babied since he actually had a friend carry his backpack. He was expecting super human effort from his friend and doing nothing himself.

[@monroe7532]

@@CaptainTrips560how?

[@CaptainTrips560]

@@nickdarr7328 keep that energy up next time you stub your toe in the woods, lazy fig

[@axer3515]

Trails are dangerous. I am a 180 lb male who trained in an MMA type fighting style, and i have had several attempted robbery while on trails in Maine and Vermont. In Maine I hadvto pull avgun on three teenagers who wanted my equipment. In Vermont two guys were following me so I got some distance and hid till theyvpassed me. I actually heard them talking about robbing someone. Some how they did not see the 30.06 or sidearm i had. The assholes stopped a group of younger teens and demanded their money and camping gear. Me and another guy held them at gun point until the rangers came. All three were wanted in NYC. That was my last time on a trail. If you go, be armed .

[@loridavis5699]

Always! I am gonna do some hiking in NH with my friends Smith and Wesson

[@Kensbev]

Amen to that. Thank you for helping those teens@

[@axer3515]

@loridavis5699 I told the ranger who came, " I carried the weapons in case of animals."He said it looks like you found some.

[@murphyrutledge5590]

A 30-06 sidearm? What’re you packing brother?

[@whitneystanek5081]

That's awful to go through, thank goodness you were armed!

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

Just ONCE I wish that when it's time for the "searchers were under no illusions, this was now a recovery mission" part, the person would just walk out of the tree line like, "what's up guys? I found this cache, I'm actually totally fine." Why can't we just have something like that?

[@DestinyKiller]

There probably are stories like that. But what's to talk about if they made it out ok?

[@devinjones1527]

Magic spoon is gentrifying our cereal and I will not stand for it. They want like almost $10 for a box. Found it at Walmart. Under no circumstances. Some celebrity figured out you're supposed to put milk on cereal and then all of a sudden there's a $10 cereal on the shelf? Hell nah you took lobster and a bunch of other foods from us poors but you're not taking my cereal. That is where I draw the line. Love the vid though, I'm still gonna rewatch about a thousand times lol, thanks for the work that y'all do. Came here right from a wendigoon video. Ofc, no hard feelings for the magic spoon sponsor, in this economy you do what you gotta do.

[@DestinyKiller]

Don't know where you live but a box of regular branded cereal here is almost ten bucks a box as is

[@SockieTheSockPuppet]

Gentrifying usually means making things better. Magic Spoon is disgusting.

[@heatherdawson74]

I just wanted to recognize Thornberry’s editing. Thanks for the moments of levity.

[@AbraSings]

Leaving a friend behind is bizarre to me.

[@DjDeja]

It was a different time for guys where the social expectation was for men to never show vulnerability. The guys probably assured each other they would be fine and didn't challenge it because it wasn't the norm back then. That doesn't make it right but it was just a totally different time back in 1975.

[@MKUltra42]

He probably killed him and threw him down a hole. That’s my theory for 80% of missing 411 cases.

[@nickdarr7328]

Well the friend comes off as a spoiled brat. Who would expect someone to carry your pack? And when the friend thinks the shelter is close you just give up. He wanted super human effort from the friend and did nothing to help himself. The shitty friend is the one who died. If fish found the shelter he would have warmed up and gone back to convince the friend to stop being a baby. The guy obviously shouldn't have been on the trail and wasn't mentally or physically prepared for it

[@reaver1414]

I live in Wisconsin and in response to your snowball fight question..... There are several actions that I can think of that could cause a snowball fight to turn ugly and those are..... 1. Multiple people teaming up on one person. 2. Giving someone a face wash(rubbing snow in someone's face) 3. Shoving snow under people's clothes. These 3 have led to many arguments that would draw the attention of parents and teachers and cause them to intervene and put a stop to it. But there is one action that l personally have seen lead to kids being sent to the emergency room, caused friendships to end, and was the reason our school banned snowball fights on school grounds and that is .... 4. Throwing ice balls instead of snowballs. Either because you picked up a piece of already hardened ice or because you used your hands to partially melt and compact the soft snow into much more dangerous projectiles. Maybe kids don't get down like that in Pennsylvania?

[@Robdavis1990]

24:27 - 1 , W

[@Robdavis1990]

' s - . - " 3😮

[@stuglife5514]

Pennsylvanian here, can say nah, we threw ice, and a popular one was putting snow in someone’s hood and flipping it up on them

[@haleysullivan4124]

i'm really glad you read mark's tribute from the newspaper, it was very touching. you guys always go above and beyond with research and it really shows how much you care about what you do, and the people involved.

[@MrMemelord00]

A paper bowl? FOR CEREAL?! BLASPHEMY

[@williamthompson5504]

Ive been in the Great Smokey Mtns several times. After my first visit, I never went back without my lever action 16 gauge and my Colt 1911.

[@AirsoftJunkie]

Two world wars, Sonny!

[@fruitfarmfords8243]

​@AirsoftJunkie Its more useful than airsoft at least.. I prefer a glock 21 myself though, don't like to feel limited. Lol

[@patrickferryman6579]

As someone who hasn't hiked that area, tell me, what did you see that convinced you to never go back without either of those? Also a lever action 16 gauge is badass. Was the 1911 in .45 or 10mm?

[@williamthompson5504]

​​@@patrickferryman6579The 1911 is a .45. Bears, Mtn Lions and the constant feeling my best friend and I had of being followed and watched. We were 100% sober on that first trip. The 16 gauge was my great grandfather's. He used it to hunt quail. My dad restored it and my brother HATES firearms. He wouldn't appreciate it like my father and I do. You should definitely hike some of the Smokey Mtns, it's beautiful. Just take protection from predators, pot farmers and moonshine bootleggers .

[@patrickferryman6579]

@@williamthompson5504 and feral humans. I've seen the descent, lol. But no in all honesty if I did i would carry my FN510, idk about a long gun though as I'm from out of state down in Texas.

[@ZombieSnax42069]

The drinking problem joke was always my favorite. Never understood why everyone quotes the don't call me Shirley one. Your officially the only other person I've ever heard reference it.

[@Kensbev]

Those of us who have a drinking problem like that one reference it all the time.

[@montehurd]

For pronunciation of local areas you can maybe call local businesses that might have knowledge - camping/hiking stores etc

[@thatsickkidjaz1749]

Yeah, just look up state rest stops in that area and ask them.

[@quickquiz4217]

Ok so this guy leaves his pack bc he didn't want to carry it. Thus leaving himself without supplies and sleeping bag, tent etc.? Then dies... Surprise!

[@stephenpmurphy591]

Oh yeah, it was paranormal forest ghost took him.. Nah, it was a winter Bigfoot! Their fur turns white during winter! So you can't see them because of all the snow. A winter big foot got him.

[@quickquiz4217]

@@stephenpmurphy591 or a summer skin walker portal

[@aowen7777]

Right? My thought was like, the guy drops the pack and then decides to stop walking so he has no supplies whatsoever for sleeping and his friend decides to keep walking without him as night approaches? Getting help or not his friend shouldn't have left him unless he was actually dying and needed medical attention not just feeling tired

[@quickquiz4217]

@@aowen7777 He must've left something out of the story right. Or...

[@Best_Username777]

“Never have I seen a Bigfoot case where someone is kidnapped and brought of trail and left in a spot to freeze to death” but I have, Mt Shasta California, a girl was kidnapped while her family was looking, she was taken some couple miles away until eventually she just showed back up in the exact spot she vanished where upon she said “Mr bear took care of me” Most likely entirely unrelated but I just thought it was interesting

[@dangerxbadger2300]

They actually have done a video on this story I believe. And if I remember correctly, that was in the middle of summer not in the dead of winter so his assertion still holds

[@Best_Username777]

@@dangerxbadger2300 I think they did a video about the other more well known Mt Shasta story being the “robot grandma” story but I’m not sure if they ever covered this one

[@jamesknapp64]

​@@Best_Username777the Missing Enigma did a deep dive on Robot Grandma last summer

[@thesecretshade]

That sounds so sketchy tho. He didn't say anything when H just dropped his backpack? And H just dropped down into the snow and he leaves H? Sounds weird af. Edit: what i mean is, if i hike with someone and that person can't continue on, I'll put up the tent, place them in there while making a fire. I just can't believe anyone would leave the backpack behind because thats literally your best chance to survive with your tent and clothes and emergency blanket and sleeping bag and whatever you have in there to keep warm and make a fire and make tea to warm up more.

[@annagrace2526]

I love how this takes place in the place I’m staying rn, not freaky at all

[@thatsickkidjaz1749]

You should be fine, I am a TN native and its pretty safe in the mountains, the people are the scary part.

[@al1383]

What's that behind you?

[@annagrace2526]

@@al1383 don’t mind him he’s just by bestie Bigfoot

[@felixjones9198]

This case takes place....

[@LazyDaisyDay88]

@@al1383 😂😂

[@BelovedDevil]

I didn't know how I was going to survive the nightmare shift in the factory of horrors until I saw this was going up now I think if I hide in the screaming closet and watch this I may be okay

[@NanaBren]

It’s so crowded in the screaming closet! Will they let you in? 😮

[@jaymarcy1150]

I listen to Lore Lodge as a podcast at my job and the new video premieres always pop up right after my lunch break, makes the afternoon way more interesting. Can't wait for the next one!

[@zigzy_9011]

This is so off topic but I love the sound for the intro so much it's like my brain locks in the second I hear it lol

[@Nitehawke]

I know scouting has changed a lot over the years. Being female, I was never a Boy Scout but my older brother was. This would have been in the '70's because when he was 10 (1973), he saved our younger brother's life (age 2 at the time) with CPR after he nearly drown (yes, clinically dead) in the backyard pool. Brent had learned CPR just the weekend before in Scouts. About 8 years ago, a friend of mine mentioned that his son had just learned CPR in Boy Scouts, at age 16. I told him the story above and he was most surprised that they taught them CPR at such a young age back then. So, maybe the reason they insist on the buddy system now is because of things like scouts going missing or other such tragedies that happened in years past. Or it may have been a troop by troop thing rather than all encompassing at that time. Just a thought. Interesting episode, as always!

[@aleckbayless8693]

I've been in scouts all across the country, FL, AK, TN. All of the troops I've been in and all the ones I interacted with used the buddy system, and it was a law, not a suggestion. This was between 2009 and 2016.

[@Nitehawke]

@@aleckbayless8693 my text to him: "Question: back when you were in Boy Scouts, did they require Scouts to use the "buddy system" on outings?" His response: "Only for swimming." Followup question: "So if you were camping and walking from campsite to cars, not necessarily would be required along the trail?" Rrsponse: "Camp Hinds was a compound. There were no cars. That's where most of the outings were. Any remote outings we always moved as a troop. Everyone together." 2nd followup: "So it would be extremely odd for a scout master to leave a scout behind to finish packing up (his son) and to leave another along the trail because he was tired (this one went missing and ended up dead, Pennsylvania, circa '70's). Response: "The point of the outings were to learn and practice working as a unit. We would never leave one behind, for any reason." So I guess that is as close to confirmation as we're likely to get, although it doesn't sound like the buddy system was a requirement per se, so maybe that's why it wasn't questioned deeply at the time.

[@Nitehawke]

One final statement from my brother: "If one of the scouts was having trouble getting packed up, we would all pitch in and help get him packed up. If one were injured on the hike, we would assist in whatever way we needed to get him out, with the rest of the troop. Really, the main point in scouts was always teamwork." So it does sound like Aidan's point is very valid and we should all be wondering why it wasn't more closely scrutinized.

[@jamesknapp64]

The Boy Scouts have REQUIRED the buddy system since at least my dad was in it in the late 60s. Its not a recommendation. It's hammered home as one of the tenets of safety

[@Nitehawke]

@@jamesknapp64 as the conversation with my brother, which I cut/pasted into comments here, confirms. Thanks for additional confirmation all the same.

[@deerski4426]

Love the show.....But that Magic Spoon cereal is ABSOLUTELY horrendous. 🤢🤮💀

[@thedecentgamer7818]

Only a couple minutes in right now, and it's already weird. You hear your friend screaming for help, and you don't try to figure out what's happening? Weird

[@thatsickkidjaz1749]

Well, he was miles away, it was night, and it was the 70s/80s, so I doubt there was a phone in the shelter he was in.

[@chrimony]

Not weird. At night, in a snowstorm, after you already settled down from exhaustion and had already left your friend to go get help. What was he realistically going to do? If somebody was attacking his friend, what was he going to do about it? If he's lost screaming for help, how can he help him anymore than when he left him in the first place? In hindsight, they should have turned back earlier. Or he should have stayed with his friend until morning. But that's all with the benefit of hindsight.

[@thedecentgamer7818]

@@chrimony if his friend was lost, then calling back to him would at least be a place to start to try and give his friend some kind of direction. Playing Marco Polo isn't exactly high-end survival strategy, but it's better than hearing your friend scream for help and rolling over and going to sleep. And if his friend was being attacked, calling put to him would possibly be able to get *some* information that way you'd at least know that foul play was involved if your friend turns up missing

[@thedecentgamer7818]

@@thatsickkidjaz1749 what I said in the other reply. If you can hear someone, they can hear you, so you don't need a phone to be able to help, even if it'd make it more convenient

[@trikepilot101]

He wasn't sure if he heard his friend or he dreamed it. It wasn't on-going.

[@honeycrispsnail4032]

man, i don’t care if my friend is whining, complaining, stomping his feet, punching trees, or shaking me by the collar. i would never leave him behind. i’d rather deal with an annoying friend than a frozen one.

[@Missmori]

I'm really enjoying this new take on the 411 cases. looking at them individually, but also in the context of other strange dissapearences in the same area gives a different perspective then other people usually give that i've seen. its greatly appreciated, informative, and entertaining.

[@deerichardz]

Zealous Beast is going through the '411' books one by one.

[@FrozeMoments]

I’m a neighbor to the Smokies in Cherokee National Forest. I plan on going out like this one day. I’ve watched everyone I love waste away or die young. I tell my wife of 20 years to take me on a hike and lose me.

[@trustworthydan]

I live in Kentucky, my parents used to take us down to Cherokee like every weekend. I miss those days.

[@lowwastehighmelanin]

Why would you put that on her dude? Not cool.

[@ricomock2]

It's one thing to take a walk and never come back, but an entirely different thing to tell your wife that you want her to take you. That is dumb

[@calci2679]

I hope you find some healing. Please don’t ever do this.

[@kingiam9271]

Get lost bro

[@phillipbirchwell9399]

I found this channel on accident last November and it's one of my favorite channels on KZbin , keep up the good work lore lodge

[@MrContemplation]

As someone who has done the trial, I ran into a few situations that made me worry about safety. I know this was a while ago but I can’t imagine it’s much different. You run into good and bad people. Something about being out in nature brings out a primal sense for other’s character. A few times I hiked through the night to reach a town to basically hide for a few days.

[@Dontwlookatthis]

McCarter also said the Hanson was wearing blue jeans, totally in appropriate. He was found dead, he died of hypothermia and like most people with terminal hyperthermia, he had taken most of his clothes off. He was found by accident when the searcher had to take a break and sat down in the trail and noticed an unusual lump covered by snow. He investigated and it was Hanson's body. Not much of a mystery. I was up on Clingmans Dome in 2018, because I wanted to see how the restrooms had been turned into a book store. Thick clouds already covered the book store and it was not all that cold. My cousin and I went in and chatted with the two workers there, asking about details of the bomber that had crashed at night on Clingmans Dome in the 50s, narrowly missing the observation platform. Then the worker we were talking to said he was ready to go home, an hour away. Since it was 5PM, closing time, my cousin and I walked out. The weather had turned very cold and clouds were now so thick on the mountain that the only way to find our way back was to look down to make sure we were still on asphalt. In fact, you could not see a person walking towards you until that person was about three feet away and you could still not determine if the person was male of female. But what had happened just as we were leaving the book store was that a frantic young woman went in before the workers left and reported her mother as missing. A search was initiated but her body was not found on the trail where her daughter had left her, but rather was found on no trail at all, but a mountain side about a half mile from the book store. She was naked, and had died of hypothermia. Like my cousin and I, she was dressed for mild weather. If you have ever walked in a cloud you will know that you get very wet, after all, clouds are made up entirely of small water droplets. The same weather that had hit us at the book store had come from the direction where this poor woman was, meaning that, not being able to see the trail due to the density of the clouds, she got disoriented and headed the opposite way from where she should have gone, and as she became further disoriented, some how she got entirely off the trail. The degree of decomposition of her body when found indicated she probably died soon after she got off the trail. When we left the bookstore we had no idea that a woman was lost and when I listened to the radio the next day as we began our drive back, is when I learned she was missing. At home, 500 miles away I kept up with this for several days until they found her. I told you this story because Hanson probably was dead not all that long after he and his friend separated. Rather than a cloud, it was snowing and did so the entire time the search was on and after he was found. In my story about the missing woman I want to note that it was very chilly and I wanted to get to my car and warm up and get dry. It was certainly not nearly as cold as what Hanson was experiencing. If Hanson was heard screaming, he must have been very near his friend. If you have ever been in those mountains when it is snowing like I have, the snow on the ground and on the branches of evergreen trees, it is dead quiet. So I do not thing that there is any mystery to this story. He cried out to his friend because he was beginning to panic and was feeling not just lost but also very, very cold, too cold to be compatible with cotton blue jeans. In fact, when the searcher found him, he noticed a shelter not far from where the body was.

[@ivanadragmire2873]

I feel like Magic spoon really shouldn't be allowed to us the tage line of " tastes like the cereal from your childhood" because it is a complete lie. If you REALLY want to try it, it's literally cheaper to tear up some cardboard, dust it in cocoa powder, and put it in a bowl of milk.

[@cinnamongirl5410]

Only mystery here is how could friends leave another friend, who is already struggling alone on a trail without his pack, in the snow.

[@hildahilpert5018]

That,s true.But why would you go hiking in the Middle of winter??That ,s crazy.

[@DaddiDrako]

Self preservation why would you abandon your gear and then stop before getting to safety, you can’t expect someone else to risk their life because of your dumb decisions

[@corporalsoletrain2132]

Dude... one of your fellow hikers drops his pack he's done. Priority is now get to shelter. He's in distress, the fun portion of the hike is over. Basic hiker safety

[@gravypatron]

KZbin must be loving you guys, because no matter how many times I refresh my screen, this video is always at the top

[@ChaseFausett]

Yes the lore lads join the hunt for the elves that make magic spoon

[@sandcat66]

Thankyou for the video, Saturday morning here in New Zealand. Love The Lore Lodge 💞

[@jeko32]

He had hypothermia and was incredibly inexperienced. He panicked and made a stupid decision. There's no mystery here.

[@beliasphyre3497]

"The kid in me likes the frosted side. The adult in me likes the kid in me."

[@stephenpmurphy591]

Uh oh, that makes me uncomfortable..

[@beliasphyre3497]

"hee hee"

[@Megnificent.]

I love all the details, it helps my brain differentiate from similar cases. Thanks for such quality research!

[@johnhickman8391]

The ONLY question i have is, how do you leave your friend behind like that. You never ever do that, especially in a survival situation.

[@jamesmryncza2957]

Incredible!! Another fantastic video!!👍You just pulled all the names of dyatlov pass right out of the thin air!! You're crazy sharp, you're the Mad Dog!! These deep dives are amazing, all the work you all do is marvelous!! ✊ Thank you for all your hard work.👍

[@TrixyTheWonderDog]

Breaking the buddy system makes sense when you consider him being a pissed off dad. He probably just wanted to leave, especially if the boys had been acting foolish the entire trip.

[@micah420uwu]

MAN i love duh lore lodge, I thought you had to choose between quality and quantity. I guess you can have both :))

[@maxhall5260]

As a Celsius guy, hoodie/light jacket wheather is a actually a decent alternative if u dont have the actual tempature conversions on hand. Very easy to understand.

[@bjh7924]

Loving the channel as always & the editing is top rate 😄👍

[@gemainestrachan5626]

I agree with the concept of people separating during hiking and both these cases make me think that the initial explanations don't make sense. Possibly more to the story? 😊

[@AbbyLee-sp8xh]

god I love the smoky mountains it’s the most beautiful and scary place I’ve ever been (grew up just south of Chattanooga)

[@mecahhannah]

Awesome as always thanks guys ❤

[@bruderschweigen6889]

Glad to see you're back with what you do best 👌 great video brother

[@adamadams6740]

Good stuff as always!

[@CJGatsby]

thanks for the bit from his funeral. that was very meaningful.

[@Renagale]

I know a lot of people don't truely understand how hard following something like the Appalachia trail, trails in most cases are just easier paths to walk because people and animals walk that way so much plants are trampled too much to truly build up, but this means that the paths only animals make are near indistinguishable from people paths. It takes less then 10 seconds walking what looks like a path because they're less brush in this one spot to put you in a life threatening situation. Living in Georgia I've been in the Appalachia region a fair few amounts of time and the amount of times we have gone off trail randomly is insane just because it looked walkable. Now imagine several different paths near indistinguishable from the other in the dark while you're literally dying. This is why you don't move when lost unless absolutely necessary.

[@gavinbennett6338]

My 2.5 cents (adjusted for inflation) - Yeah, bad decisions stacked up, followed by panic. The screaming probably just being part of the panic.

[@kenziecarter9458]

Thanks for making Fridays better!

[@texasson]

I was out hiking in the Smoky Mountain National Park(in some of these areas) when this dropped. 😶Nothing paranormal happened while I was out there... But had some surprise encounters with black bears, and had a helo land about 50 yds away from me to medivac a hiker from a different group. Edit: After the full video, I agree it is most likely an accident. The 'surprise bear encounters' we had could have easily caused an accident. Such as one of our encounters, we were surprised by a bear about 5 yards(at most) off the trail we were on. This particular trail was maybe 3 ft wide, and one side was about 150 ft drop into a stream, while the side the bear was on, was a steep incline. The bear did give us a good fright with a false charge, and if anyone happened to get overly jumpy, could have easily slipped down the drop. Maybe this is why he was so far off the trail he was last seen. Anyway, the Smokies are beautiful and I encourage folks to go visit and hike.

[@actuallyAtlas1989]

The snowball fight certainly makes Geoff's case more interesting. Especially because of how mad everyone got over it. The only time my parents ever got that pissed over my siblings having a snowball fight was when my brother (younger) gave my sister (older) a black eye bc the snowball he threw had ice in it. Granted, they didn't know about the snowball fights where we would shove snow down eachothers coats. I can't imagine that would be a smart thing to do while camping.

[@ronan7036]

A Magic Spoon ad, you've made it boys. Congrats!

[@pews.]

It’s a good day when lore lodge drops

[@redlefevre5448]

As always, great content! Would you consider looking into Khayman Welch in the Superstition Mountains of Arizona? That is an interesting one!

[@r.s.renkirk170]

Good video as always boys. Those spooky mountains are a lot to take in. I don't understand why his friend would leave him alone in such weather to begin with, who knows. I'm glad I'm not the only one who makes the drinking problem joke when I spill my drink

[@maleficluna7638]

man i just want to say I love this channel so so so much! you guys are doing an amazing job, greetings from germany!

[@debbieohara9240]

I really love this channel, thank you 😊 🙏

[@jamesbcourtney]

great job aidan & the crew!

[@darrenturnbow6203]

You guys are awesome just wanted to let you know keep up the amazing work

[@denimvelvet4670]

My theory: he had to use the bathroom in the middle of the night. Misjudged and got lost. Called for help. No one responded. Didn't have strength to go uphill, so he went down hoping for a work around.

[@lakesidesusan6745]

Yeah!!! I'm a Senior Ranger! Gotta love LoreLodge!

[@johnmorganjr769]

🐻🏞

[@charissimpson235]

Me too! Only did that recently though so my name isn’t up yet

[@amandam6263]

Definitely thought something was off with The Hague story. So glad yall addressed that. Thanks for your work!! 🤓

[@Safexscape]

I like when shorts and a video play at the same time. I feel like it sums up KZbin as an experience. Conflicting noise.

[@merrick1588]

Thornbury is now a window goblin... IT IS CONFIRMED!

[@jamesknapp64]

I was waiting for that reference to come true

[@l3xther3x86]

We love it when people disappear round here it's not terrifying at all

[@capellamorel]

There’s a local myth in the town of Middletown Maryland (where i used to live) of a creature called the Snallygaster. It was described as a mix between a bird and a siren, and it would swoop down the sky, snatch its victims and carry them off again. I heard about it from my dad, but I’m not sure where it came from. I just thought this was interesting and wanted to share a local myth.

[@punxammo5870]

You did great on TimCast!

[@Ziegler-di7xz]

“I likes and I wants ya. Now we can either do this the hard way or the easy way.”

[@tannermcguire7713]

Shoutout to one of the baddest mfs of all time! He looks good now though thankfully, even got hims a wife.

[@andywarda1481]

You can't have my booty!

[@matthiasthulman4058]

​@@tannermcguire7713who we talking about

[@rickyhiggins133]

Hey, Love The Lore Lodge video's and watch them all the time. I appreciate that you pronounce The Appalachian Trail correct.

[@ThepupsnameisBrian]

Great show, Aiden! I was also delighted to see you on Tim Pool the other night!

[@horstihorstensen]

Amazing how in only 3 years you went from superficially looking into something and lazily blaming the Wendigo to really deep research, critical thought, clever ideas and, as a result, really interesting videos.

[@sleepingbee8997]

42:07 Well, it makes sense that the cases in which a body isn't found would be harder to pin down. That's a significant clue missing. Without knowing the end of a story, you can write anything for both the middle and end. Once you know the end, you just have to fill in the middle.

[@picklerick.n.666]

God bless you and your work sir ❤❤❤ respect form Croatia-Europe ❤❤❤

[@13donstalos]

I feel bad he died like that, I just have a hard time feeling very sorry because this was 100% preventable.

[@justjordyn26]

Love your videos! Please consider one on the Maura Murray case. Would love to hear you unpack and analyze all of those theories!

[@williammatthews693]

I don't want to think about Cosby Knob.

[@aster_petals.]

i grew up w tons of snow, worst move you can pull is put a chunk of ice into your snow ball. or get your snowballs wet before throwing them because they will either freeze or be a face full of slush

[@sasosasisicanabo828]

That dude in the window made my day xD good content as always guys

[@devincorns409]

Screaming in the night.. I’ll check in the morning? Great friend

[@deerichardz]

That's a Krokus tune, Screaming in the Night.

[@ishmiel21]

This was a very well done video. Thank you for pointing out all the places where David Paulidse straight up lies in his books. Thank you also for bringing up the fact that Fish might not be a reliable witness. My one quibble would be that when you are talking about the narrative sections of the ranger's book, you make the assertion that the phrase about his journals "being the heart" of those narrative sections means that the editor basically copy//pasted the text from the ranger's journal into his book. I disagree. I feel that phrase as when a movie says, "inspired by the story of..." Sorry for all the comments today. You guys seem very cool and do good work.

[@aster2600]

So an exhausted man was left alone at night without his pack in freezing temperatures. Sounds like a great idea.

[@Revolver1701]

People don’t always tell the same story in the exact same words. Then the person who writes down what it told may not get it word for word. And then, you may get someone who just makes stuff up just to make it more interesting.