The British Transport Police arrive to arrest me

[@DanSmithBK]

How on earth do they think having a different rule to the rest of the country is acceptable? Clearly only intended to cause these issues, so they can fine people, like the Stansted link from London. Despicable.

[@derwindhund116]

Why can't they just have a ticket office or ticket machine.

[@martinhambleton5076]

Far too simple.

[@DavidRichards-z2k]

Simple solution.. the cops escort the guy to the ticket machine, to allow him to print his ticket. Sorted.

[@mentaldavethefirst]

Very simple. Very logical. Merseyrail don't make money off the fines though, so they won't do it.

[@dustopian]

If only police were so sensible...

[@yell50]

YES, that is what I was thinking while watching the video this was the obvious solution.

[@bandsbikesandboozereviews]

Don't come round here with your logic and common sense! 🙂

[@yell50]

So basically he cant use the ticket displayed on his phone unless he prints it out before he leave his home. so he is not allowed to print out the ticket at the station Wow that is just frigging crazy load of poop.

[@_Why_123]

😵It is obviously of the utmost importance that "Ticket-Printers" NEVER malfunction, run out of ink, are vandalised, etc., because that would mean having to choose between missing appointments, work-day ruined, or being accused of the crime of evading payment, and being detained, again causing you to miss appointments, work-day ruined, and being submitted to "copsplaining"!! 😱

[@TheOracleNetwork1]

The way you instantly lose the right to being treated politely because they feel they have some kind of power over you even when you aren’t committing any crime is absurdly scary.

[@Scouser89Liverpool22]

This is the famous video, i back you 100%, Merseyrail are stuck in like 1990’s ticket wise but happy for there stations to appear on 3rd party systems but make it so difficult to actually get the ticket you might as well buy it from them directly

[@scousepie2]

Glad you stand your ground again the corporate police and Rail staff... Good on you. you don't have to provide your details !!!

[@stevebirmingham9650]

the passengers argument is very fair and valid, the rules are stupid and illogical , the police officers are being somewhat unfair, how bloody stupid that they wont allow him to print a ticket for which he has paid what aload of crap, i was under the impression that poice are supposed to be fair and reasonable , their actions are not fair and certainly not reasonable, what a disgrace

[@Todd361]

The Police: let's surround 1 calm man with 3 officers. Also the Police: we are underfunded and need more resources.

[@tombesnard5421]

So you have to have a mobile printer if you book while sat in a coffee shop ?

[@Error_404_Not_Found_timed_out_]

This is the technical bit . . . You print it as a PDF (portable document file) or as an image, an electronic version of printing. It is saved to your hard drive or phone. You can them display the PDF on your smart phone screen. What can go wrong? 1. You can't find the PDF on your phone - this often happens when using multiple platforms like email, WhatsApp, Viber, etc. They are somewhere, but sometimes it takes yonks to find them. No internet connection sometimes means they can't be re-called it the pdf if it's been uploaded onto an on-line site. Sites, like Google Photos, can become 'full' and won't save, or back-up information. I just had that problem coming back from travelling - do I delete photos or documents to upload more photos and documents? 2. Sometimes the image or pdf cannot be read by electronic scanners. Never download a boarding pass this way - I've been unable to get through the check-in gate because if this failure. Someone then has to type in all my details manually into a terminal for me to proceed. Always get a printed boarding pass as check-in, it's their rules you are playing to, don't feel bad about the environment or you wouldn't be travelling. Printing them at home also runs the risk of reading failure, even with laser printers. 3. Phone battery runs out. This is the worse nightmare when you are in the middle of nowhere. 4. You lose, mislay your phone or it is stolen. 5. Security take your phone and deleted the pdf or image. I always have two email addresses and send myself copies - incompetence from security comes in many languages. And all this to save time and money to make it quicker and cheaper for the traveller.😮. . .and thermal mobile printer paper is heat sensitive and the image will disappear (go totally black) is the paper gets to warm. . .and it fades over time. I've looked into many ways and still rely on luck.

[@_Why_123]

@@Error_404_Not_Found_timed_out_ - 🤣right! - OR, you can line up and buy a real paper ticket, paid for with real money, but just don't loose it! 💩

[@Error_404_Not_Found_timed_out_]

@@_Why_123 Yep, if the ticket office is manned or the ticket machine is working machine! It's a bugger if you pay cash for your ticket - then lose it - no proof whatsoever. Always pay with a credit card, you can then make a claim, if needed, with the credit card company.

[@simapark]

In Liverpool maybe the fare dodgers are too numerous so they have to be strict . The code on his phone is not a valid ticket and he knows it . This needs taking to court then a judge can set a precedent for the future.

[@robertroberts3rd265]

They could de escalate and let him print it. If he then didn't have a valid ticket, arrest him for bunking the train

[@alexritchie4586]

We also have leaked documents from the current British rail operator oligarchy that they deliberately collude together to make their ticket purchasing and pricing as absurd and confusing as possible with enough plausible deniability to throw at ignorant MPs in Select Committess in order to maximise their fines revenue.

[@achimelale9974]

@@robertroberts3rd265 Arrest him????

[@robertroberts3rd265]

@@achimelale9974 to intentionally travel without a ticket is a criminal offence. I am not saying he is intentionally travelling without a ticket, he obviously just got confused, and the staff could have been professional, deescalated, and allow him to print the ticket. The reason I added the second bit about arresting him, is because if he had actually lied, and had travelled without a valid ticket, then he is liable for arrest. That doesn't mean he would be though. There is still the possibility that the rail company chooses to exercise their right to deal with it civilly in lieu of a criminal complaint. If he refused to give his details at that point, he would be arrested. However, imo, the staff seemed like douches, and would probably escalate it in that situation anyway

[@jenskammann1197]

There are numerous metro networks in the world where you can buy your tickets in advance but you have to validate by some sort of stamping right before travel for the ticket to become valid for travel. In any case: Having paid for a ticket, but not following the rules for validating such a ticket (in your case printing the ticket) is considered traveling without a ticket and will incur a fine imposed by the operator of the network. This fine imposed by a commercial operator (not by authorities) is not imposing defraud by the traveler.

[@thefoxhat6163]

rubbish. for an offence there has to intent. it could have been resolved under 60 seconds 2"Could you print the ticket so I can inspect it please".

[@skippylanoue966]

​@@thefoxhat6163yeah, these cops just wanna ruin someone's day...they ain't happy unless they can....very unhappy individuals work these jobs

[@mistylaw1940]

These muppets are an embarrassment.

[@jimg2850]

They have a point. Unless you in some way validated the ticket before travelling and if it is true that you could get a refund after travelling if you had not been challenged then they do need to see that printed ticket for revenue protection and to be fair to other fare paying rail users. If you want them to challenge you in court over the ticket requirement then of course they need your identity details to do that.

[@wendyrichards4200]

I'd be interested to see evidence to support their claim that folk do that, and how often it happens in reality, to justify the officious, inflexible, even aggressive attitude particularly displayed by the bearded idiot Alex attempted to reason with in the previous video. There appears to be not only the desire, but a determination to punish him, regardless of his calm, rational explanation.

[@robertroberts3rd265]

He offered to print it and scan it, so he obviously isn't trying to defraud

[@alexritchie4586]

Firstly, no, no train operator anywhere, ever, refunds tickets after the specified time of travel unless it is due to infrastructural faults. The BTP officer is either lying about that or just slavishly believes the odious lies of the private companies he bizarrely believes he's the fare collecting agent of. Secondly, if a company erroneously awards a refund, it is legally upon their head. They can choose to pursue the refundee in court if they wish, but the onus to vouch the correct awarding of the refund is on them, not the consumer, and they have no right to bully your identity out of you because they want to take you to court. You have no obligations whatsoever as a potential defendant to aid a potential plaintiff in seeking litigation against you. Thirdly, no, you do not have to provide your details to anyone if you seek to pursue a case against them. Providing you know who they are, they have no obligation to know who you are until they've been served notice or subpoenad. Conversely we operate the John Doe system here in the UK which means the only people who are legally entitled to the identity of a person who will not willingly give it are judges and magistrates via subpoena. The police actually do not have a legal right to obtain one's identity and providing habeus corpus is maintained can pass someone anonymously all the way through the system right up until they're sitting in front of a judge or magistrate. Of course the fact that the police have no legal power to ascertain one's identity via force or legislation REALLY pisses them off because they like to think of themselves as judge, jury, and executioner, and they can't enter your details on the 'Persons of Interest Known to the Police' database that they then use to endlessly harass said listed persons in order to bump up their incident attendance and arrest numbers, so they'll do their level best to deceive, harass, hector, bully, and bamboozle it out of people. If you fall for their tactics and choose to give them your identity, that's on you, but the police have no power to drag it out of you.

[@B-26354]

​@@alexritchie4586 I've never read such a mess of an interpretation of law in my life. 1. Police Constables (BTP are constables) are entitled to request name and address details for people they suspect have committed an offence. 2. Ticket Inspectors are legally empowered to request name and address details for people they suspect have committed an offence AND are capable of launching private criminal prosecutions. 3. There is no such thing as a "John Doe" system as that is an Americanism for starters. 4. "subpoena" is also something of an Americanism.

[@googleuser8740]

@@robertroberts3rd265 Depends if the barriers were open then he could go through and get a refund

[@bernardhutchinson4753]

That Poppy stuck on a Thin Blue Line Desecrated UK Flag is an “Oxymoron”

[@JohnSmith-gp3co]

‘Nobody ever reads that stuff’ isn’t a defence. 😂

[@adrianwright8685]

It wasn't just a one off - he obviously never prints the ticket!

[@gerrydoherty52]

What was the outcome????

[@connorpritchett890]

What was the outcome mate?

[@factcheckersbranch]

As for the ticket, we must pay extortionate prices for travel on trains in this country, to pay the train drivers a discusting inflated wage. Train drivers get back to bloody work. If you think your paid a pittence at £60,000 + annually. Then pack up your job go elsewhere and let someone else do it for the rediculous pay and be happy. Putting it more nicely.... Sod off you greedy grunts.

[@Peter-pv8xx]

So what was the outcome?

[@mrtotorob.]

What happened after the video ended?

[@nickrails]

Look at all the other people not having this problem.

[@zed351]

Baa, there's a good sheep.

[@nickrails]

@zed351 FFS buying/printing a valid ticket for public mass transport now makes someone a mindless and willing victim of the deep state/illuminati. The internet has truly rotted some people's brains.

[@nickrails]

So buying a valid ticket for public transport is now being a willing victim of the deep state/Illuminati? The Internet has truly rotted some people's brains.

[@nickrails]

All the guy had to do was print the ticket to a PDF which would be saved to his phone. He would then have a valid ticket. Having a valid ticket is not 'being a sheep'

[@zed351]

@@nickrails All they had to do is allow him to print the ticket which in the end they did. Baa, baa.

[@M_E_T_R_O__9]

Is there a follow up to this?? very interesting, as they even admitted there were circumstances where they didn't need a printed ticket... which would suggest that their policy would dynamically modify the law and your rights as a citizen, which is not the case. If you aren't legally detained, they cannot keep you there, simple as that.

[@msmrepo3271]

The "bylaws" are overridden by superior law. This is the problem with this country, cops don't know our rights and are not interested in them.

[@B-26354]

It isnt a wrongful arrest in my opinion. It's a crime on the railway not to produce your ticket when requested whilst travelling or at your destination station. The uploader is incredibly ignorant given that he doesn't know BTP are constables with powers of arrest, he doesn't understand that there isn't a requirement of intent in order to defraud the railway either. This is incredibly badly done as far as auditing goes, zero research put into it.

[@googleuser8740]

What was the outcome? Did you get arrested?

[@_Why_123]

🥸Posting this video at 90°, meant I had to lay down to watch it... and so, unfortunately, I fell asleep half way through!😴 ... I had to watch it 3 times!! 🥳🤣

[@haydoncooper3744]

Why is it that the police look at everything as a problem and not look for a solution.Crazy!

[@duncanmacleod7283]

What a load of nonsense. The conditions of travel clearly state your ticket needs to be validated before travel. Thousands of people travel from that station every day on that basis with no issues. Why do you think you and your very important meeting should be any different?

[@Peter-pv8xx]

So to save time and money all they would have had to do is follow you to where you print the bloody ticket and everybody would have been happy, am I getting that right, more time was wasted by going over and over the same thing when the ticket could have been printed in about a minute maybe.

[@704macleod]

How incredibly petty can these Poms get, all of those Transport Police just wasting his and their time , just for the sake of exercising their authority.

[@keithgreen9009]

Sounds like they want to make money out of a fine instead of letting the man print off his ticket and giving him some advice going forward

[@quincy5855]

My son got a fixed penalty fine for not printing ticket off even through the machine had been vandalised and the conductor was aware of ticket machine not working

[@tonygriffiths2485]

Hard to understand why they did not let you go over to the machine and print out your ticket of validation. They got their heads stuck right up their arses ! This is like when in Russia, during the Duma crisis the stewards were not allowing trains full of food to be offloaded to feed the people of Moscow. then they were asking "Why are the people starving ?" I don't understand !

[@williebobs3830]

It's Feb 2024. I'm in Manchester. I wanted to fly from Liverpool airport. About 45 miles away. To get there involves 2 trains & a bus. I Decided not to bother. Liverpool airport should make it easy to use their business.

[@RichardHubbuck]

“Do you realise you were speeding, Sir?” “I’m in a terrible hurry to get to a meeting.” “A medical emergency?” “No, a meeting. An important one. But I have a driver’s license, so what’s the problem?”

[@mingyeewong1590]

Print the ticket scan the QR code and hop on the train. Is it really that hard to do? Unfortunately you made it difficult for yourself.

[@yogixl]

What was the outcome?

[@steveacaster6326]

The railway should provide a printer if there is a printer then let him go and print the ticket of the police have now shown again they have no common sense.

[@vanishingpoint808]

Thin blue line cop = Corrupt "Hi I'm in a rush and didn't print my ticket" Police "We need to explain it should have been printed. Like a robot. For the next 10 minuites. " "Actually I've broken no bylaw" Police "Huffy..." It's a great video, however I'd have walked off the moment they said I had to wait for the Police.

[@phillipowens5380]

I hope you are taking further action against these dopes so called British transport police

[@lipbrent3887]

We need an update on what happened to you?

[@AlexLennonDD]

Oh they arrested me. Interviewed me. I proved I was being truthful about who I was. Then they de-arrested me and took me to print my ticket. One wonders why they couldn't have just taken me to print my ticket in the first pleace...

[@airhabairhab]

@@AlexLennonDDThe system has to make it hard and inconvenient for people to exercise their rights, therefore the masses will find it more convenient to simple comply when they shouldn’t.

[@temparalflux914]

@@AlexLennonDD It was to get your name, if you do not supply it to them (it is like crac* for them), they will do everything in their power to get your details, regardless of how irrelevant it might be to the investigation.

[@MrBluebirds22]

@@AlexLennonDD and that was worth a few youtube videos was it?

[@RichardHubbuck]

So the moral of the story is don’t be a cnut and print the ticket. Absolute jobsworth.

[@DavidRichards-z2k]

Like a lot of things these days, everything must be a drama, an infraction has taken place, someone must pay, & as with this case, once that process starts, common sense goes out the window!!!

[@petergarbutt9521]

DON'T BOTHER WATCHING... THE BRITISH TRANSPORT POLICE ARRIVE TO ARREST ME ???... 10 MINUTES 29 SECONDS, OF BLAR BLAR BLAR BLAR BLAR... WHAT HAPPENED ???????????

[@cantthinkofagoodun1]

Cash to the mister at the ticket booth…………ticket given by mister to paying mister ……job done. IT WORKED FOR YEARS AND YEARS.

[@speedster2464]

Your wrong plain and simple, if the system is flawed then take it up with the system or don’t travel on the train, or comply with the regulations and print your ticket!!!

[@Defeat89]

i did a Handcuff prank video in lame street station but got stuck in the cuffs and Transport Police come thinks i might be a escapee so give him my details i think i could been arrested otherwise

[@B-26354]

So you're a time waster?

[@Defeat89]

@@B-26354 I didn't to mean to get stuck and wasted the police time

[@woodyforest7308]

Unfortunately my PC monitor wont turn on its side

[@MaxPowers]

You should have just walked away after offering proof to the police that the ticket had been paid for.

[@NadineGardner-ws2tw]

She was seen beating up football hooligans in 1979

[@paulmorris8775]

Well done as you broke a policy and not a law, This situation is stupid as the policy should be a national

[@Andy-Brew]

The community support officer is an idiot. I wanted to make a complaint against the Merseyrail response officers, I did and nothing came of it. However, the BTP PCSO treated me as if I was at fault. He turned his body worn camera on and I had to tell him 3 times to go back to the Merseyrail Response officers and get their names and badge numbers. Merseyrail bye-laws are devolved legislation. This legislation is not enforced on common sense it is arbitrarily enforced over and over again. When I had this run in with them, several passengers who were going through the station, mentioned to me that they had been through similar incidents with them. The Merseyrail Responce are thugs in uniform. I would encourage you to take this to court, I am quite certain there is a Tort that you can counter sue them for.

[@nicholasformosa2078]

I thought you only had to print documents when leaving the country

[@MikeKey-y7l]

These are only pcso’s and the only copper was being advised by them

[@oswin4715]

Breach of GDPR if she passes your details to the private company without your consent

[@qbarnes1893]

Ridiculous, you pay for a service or product which is provable and available yet your required to print that proof yourself when requested, all along the provider of said purchased item has that proof themselves. This is exactly why I refuse to purchase anything at all using my phone, refuse self service only payment outlets. Call me old fashioned but I’ve Never had an issue, ever... Don’t let the system dictate your life...

[@pontpete6618]

Always easier to say NO then you don’t have to think, must be Scouse land

[@sadev101]

if he can show he paid he has the right to travel. now they want you to show a print.. let him print it

[@ronaldmasters1225]

The idiocy that you need to have a piece of paper but with proof on the phone is not enough for dumb woke police.

[@davidtodd988]

What a load off rubbish I have been through Liverpool a number of times with no printed tickets

[@trek101]

Smart arse thinks he knows all the answers. It sounds as if he has done this before.

[@jayneboardman4002]

If hes got a qr codr had to print off its a croc of shit so hes being arrested for not printing it out a fk joke

[@duXieduX]

You should be arrested for uploading this video horizontally

[@bexhill8777]

i dont have a printer,phuked...why are we haveing to literaly pay to print what we have payed for?

[@kaykat1059]

Victoria Wood character 🤣🤣🤣. If only they knew the actual law 😡

[@googleuser8740]

They could have offered a compromise. Print off the ticket now but we will take your details so we know if you do it again in the future.

[@120FilmUser]

You should've been arrested purely for recording in portrait orientation

[@simondobbs4480]

I find this hard to believe.

[@abarthman1965]

I have long suspected that British Transport Police employed the kind of people who were unfit to be real police officers and this video does nothing to make me think otherwise.

[@JohnSmith-gp3co]

What power do you think BTP officers have?

[@B-26354]

BTP have all the powers of a constable both on and off of the railway. I have no idea where people get the idea that BTP are somehow not police...

[@RM-qv9rb]

You first time using a camera phone, I guess?

[@mikeboden8417]

You are quit correct in that there was/is NO criminal offence being committed, you have a valid ticket that you can prove given the opportunity but they are preventing you from doing. You have far more patience with the uniformed idiots than I would have shown.

[@JuanCarlosSendon]

Did they arrest you?

[@John-h7w6c]

Another jobs worth who hasn't got the common sense to sort things out

[@morph5688]

I would ask if I am being detained . If not I would go and get the ticket printed .

[@mentaldavethefirst]

The problem being you can't get past the barrier and there is nowhere on the side he is on to print it. I don't know about all of the lines on the Merseyrail network but at the other end of the Wirral Line is Chester, a station run by Transport for Wales and they have machines that would allow this. Merseyrail control this station and only have them on the main concourse

[@bobuppendown1532]

Unlike yourself, these people have done nothing wrong. They're not particularly well paid, and often have to put up with all sorts of antisocial/drunken/violent situations, and I would imagine that it must really frustrating for them to then have to listen to yet another 'Karen'...

[@mentaldavethefirst]

So what you are saying is because some people are violent and drunk they can turn it around and harass people who have bought a ticket.

[@smacksalad]

3 officers, for one missing ticket. Pathetic.

[@Dave_Cymru]

So, they have detained you for a crime of defrauding the network in order to gain financial recompense, even though you have not committed the said offence nor as you have already and clearly stated that you had no intention of committing said crime. Result = If they did arrest you, then you have sufficient grounds to sue them for unlawful arrest!

[@chipbuttytime3396]

enter the country without a ticket and bob's your uncle

[@ghelder6310]

I was running for the train because I have a really important meeting, so print it before?! Piss poor planning then crying like a bairn😂

[@factcheckersbranch]

Plastic police `be there presently ` BTP another good example of security guards dressed as police, scruffy like, if I can add.

[@B-26354]

BTP are fully warranted constables, exactly the same as regular police. The more you know.

[@pfsmith007]

Who is the victim? Give social rejects a badge, and this is what happens.

[@zacharyhall1441]

The cops are just saying the same thing over and over again and again and the lady cop is annoying.

[@bobclarke5407]

Why were you running late to catch your train?

[@dannyball-oo9tw]

What happened to.a.fine if don't pay I know u have or better still put machine inside so.u can print it

[@DDougz]

The rail network where just looking to make money by fining you

[@debbiemcdermott3172]

Not everyone has a printer

[@SteveStone-d5y]

I see the gang member is instigating

[@DavidThomas-fm1uv]

3 BTP Officers....ffs, Sir, go print your ticket, now go through the barrier.......job done !!!!!

[@martin5504]

What a WASTE of time!

[@Monsoon-sd6vr]

What a good video. Well done Alex

[@britishgaminglivingthedrea5148]

What is this a socialist country ffs. You did right not to show them your details. Stand up for freedom

[@wendyrichards4200]

Alex, you're clearly a reasoned, polite, and articulte guy, but if you don't mind a little advice, stop telling clearly unrrasonable people you understand why they're behaving as they are! There is no give from them, no desire to resolve a very resolvable situation, and the BTP are just toy cops, with too much time to be little more than officious and useless tools for an appalling train and customer seevice.

[@vsboy2577]

Goons these police are

[@paulyates5092]

turn your phone around

[@Stan-m9s2k]

😮Liverpool catch up with the rest of the country your stuck in your bureaucratic idiocy please let us know the outcome

[@davefenney5704]

Traiine Lyne my ears hurt 😮

[@andymeadows2768]

Alex if there not there then there are on the internet

[@cphilmusic9019]

Btp are amateurs.. not the real police

[@SensibleCentrist]

Stop talking to them, you have no clue what powers they have!!!, let them illegally arrest you then sue them. They cant demand details or shite. Policy is not law as you say. Fair enough filming. As for that mess of a cop, she had that banned gang badge on and should be sacked.

[@AlexLennonDD]

This is what I did. They did arrest me, I think for defrauding merseyrail. Which seems impossible to me as I'd paid money to travel so where is the intent to defraud...

[@SensibleCentrist]

@@AlexLennonDD Unfortunately you’re probably on their database forever now but hope you take some scalps along the way 💪🏻

[@nina.simone.99.]

So sue her for wrongful arrest , the drone auditors all know how to fo this if you need tips but i think you've git this ​@AlexLennonDD

[@B-26354]

​@@nina.simone.99. It isnt wrongful - however you think of if. It's a crime on the railway not to produce your ticket when requested whilst travelling or at your destination station. The uploader is incredibly ignorant given that he doesn't know BTP are constables with powers of arrest, he doesn't understand that there isn't a requirement of intent in order to defraud the railway either. This is incredibly badly done as far as auditing goes, zero research put into it.

[@williamhutchison6400]

Ffs an immigrant telling you now