The Broken Lore of The Force Awakens (Part 1)

[@ConnorDay-p7p]

Part 2 m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqDKpauHjKuAhJo

[@KoalaTContent]

5:57 Luke "I think I died, and then she stole Uncle Owen's farm, and then started using my surname." It's actually offensive that this is the official lore

[@jacksmythe2187]

Don't forget she also stole Han's ship, with Chewie and Lando both right there.

[@AtticusKarpenter]

​@@jacksmythe2187she is protagonist so she is allowed to do anything, apparently but disney cringewriters forgot to ask people if that so

[@GonzaloLozano-mb2sr]

I died

[@namikstudios]

George Lucas always planned for Luke to die in his version of Episode VIII, so The Last Jedi was true to that intent. Lucas also came up with the idea that Luke would exile himself before eventually training a female teenage padawan, as happened with Rey. Those were not Disney's ideas.

[@namikstudios]

@@jacksmythe2187 the Falcon belongs to Chewie after Han dies and it's always depicted as such. Whenever you see the Falcon, Chewie is with it. Rey stole the Falcon from the junker on Jakku, not Han. If she hadn't of done that he never would have gotten it back before he died.

[@Smartcoughdrop]

Imagine if BB8 was legitimately worse at his job as a droid than R model droids, and people made fun of Poe for that, but because he like BB8 so much he was willing to mod his x wing to fit a smaller droid.

[@DrTheRich]

Sounds like a good idea. I really like the BB8 design, but it's stupid that it's considered a replacement for an R droid. I like especially that it's a weird concept that actually can work irl, as seen by many robot bb8s made by fans It would be cool if normally it was a less capable droid but Poe or some other character upgraded it, just like Anakin upgraded artoo. And it would also be great if they in lcorporated some of the logic into the movie. Like make it bad at rolling in the sand and they have to find another solution. Or maybe it has another trick up it's sleeves

[@NeonDripKitty]

@@DrTheRich bb could have opened their tool hatches to scoop its way over the sand like dune tires do, this would have shown bb as resourceful and allowed for some comic relief of Rey shaking the sand out of his ports upon finding him and then carrying him in her arms or on a sled back to town, could even have him still have some sand in him when they enter the falcon from the escape scene and leaving a trail as he tries to shake it out and have that trail be what leads Han to there hiding spot, man the really lost so many potential scenes and character building by ignoring the design problems of bb

[@antonisauren8998]

What was used in other X-wings in the sequels?

[@occam7382]

I still think BB-8 doesn't belong in the Sequel Trilogy at all (even though he's probably the best character) and would work better in an anthology story.

[@marhawkman303]

@@occam7382 My read was that it wasn't made for the same purpose as the R2 series. To mee it made more sense as an internal repair droid since it can move around in tight spaces a human engineer can't.

[@senturian]

lol, it's fun that you found written records of them really not caring about anything except how cute it would be

[@person7568]

Really hammers home how much of a soulless cash grab these movies really are

[@namikstudios]

Even more fun was when "an entire legion of [the Emperor's] best troops" on Endor were taken out by an adorable army of teddy bears! Of course, Ewoks being cute was just a coincidence and wasn't a consideration in their design at all - only Darth Disney does stuff like that...🙃

[@madmonkeys88]

​@@namikstudioshey look! I found the whataboutism! Is this like math? Where to negatives equal a positive or some shit?

[@CosmicCreeper99]

@@namikstudiosThe Ewoks are shown the entire movie to be completely tribal and savage creatures. The only cute part of them is their physical design which means nothing to how they act in the movie

[@namikstudios]

@@CosmicCreeper99 don't try and tell me that Wickett and co. aren't the very definition of cute for the entire duration of their screen time in Jedi. Even when they are going about being the little carnivorous savages they are, capturing the Rebels and carting them away on logs to be roasted in 3PO's honour, they're swinging around their little treehouses on ropes while yodeling! They are in the film for cuteness and comic relief - and they are a far better implementation of those than a certain gungan in another (non-Disney) Star Wars film, I might add...

[@lampshade6967]

To be fair, calling it “The Third Order” probably wouldn’t go over well

[@patrickbateman312]

I don't see why. That would complete the extremely lame and lazy metaphor Disney was going for

[@burnedbread4691]

What, unlike the explicitly nazi coded empire in the OT?

[@citizenvulpes4562]

Idk, I think it'd be pretty on the nose. They literally do a seig heil in the movie.

[@oteila6151]

Yes but that was 40 years ago, was handled much differently, and in the grad scheme of things fits into Lucas‘ use of real life political situations in star wars, all across the saga

[@rickandrygel913]

The third kingdom maybe?

[@censortube3778]

The Force Awakens killed Star Wars for me, it died when Rey was showing up Han Solo in his own ship and Luke skywalker was a coward who left his friends

[@Healthy_Toki]

I thought the real sin with Han was how they made him an asshole who didn't care that his crew got eaten by the cargo. Just sociopathic. From badass to bad boss in less than 12 parsecs.

[@xavierbreath2227]

Bingo!

[@FullScreenTV_]

It’s got to be unfortunate being a grown man with such vulnerability

[@jiggycalzone8585]

​@@FullScreenTV_aren't you supposed to tell us how sophisticated and understated and smart the last jedi is?

[@FullScreenTV_]

@@jiggycalzone8585 the fact you think I must be some last Jedi fanboy is hilarious and perfectly emblematic of what I’m saying. TLJ is ok, ROS is awful, and TFA is quite decent, but still nothing compared to any older stuff or Andor

[@庫倫亞利克]

"I was horrible, Obi-wan." "Don't worry Luke, I had the same nightmare as yours last night."

[@cjraymond8827]

Obi-Wan just can't believe how badly he aged from the time of his adventure with Leia and Reva to ANH. It was only ten years but he turned into an 80 year old.

[@Mantis42]

that would make me worry more, not less

[@dudujencarelli]

@@cjraymond8827 Alec Guinness was 61-62 when he filmed the original Star Wars. You clearly have no idea what an 80 year old looks like.

[@cjraymond8827]

@@dudujencarelliExaggeration, yes, he was 63, but Ewan McGregor was 34 in ROTS, which means he was 52 by the time Luke turned 18 in ANH. That’s no 52 year old in ANH.

[@spacecatsftw]

@@cjraymond8827 number one: luke was 19 in ANH number two: genetics and mental health can make someone visually age faster

[@Christian-en6lk]

I never get tired of people taking pot shots at J.J.

[@mikoto7693]

The funny thing is I knew he was a disaster before most. I watched Fringe.

[@RictusHolloweye]

@@mikoto7693 - I really liked Fringe and Alias. Maybe if he had stuck to television things would have been better. Although there was also Lost.

[@SovietReunionYT]

A decade and a half and many rewatchings later, I still think JJ-Trek is complete garbage. I cant think of anything positive to say about it. It sapped my excitement about new Trek content so much that I still havent gotten around to watching any of the new series.

[@mikoto7693]

@@RictusHolloweye The funny thing is that I liked the first two seasons of Fringe, found the third… a curious mix of fascinating and unpleasant. It’s actually quite difficult to pin down exactly what I don’t like about JJ Abrams productions. It felt all a bit nonsensical. By S3 I was getting tired of the tediously slow drip feed of information, frustrated with how the enemies were always several steps ahead of the good guys. I mean they kidnapped Walter at some point and somehow magically knew that he’d implanted a tracking implant under his skin and removed it in a public bathroom. It was exactly the same in one of the NuTrek movies of his where that woman-turned-alien so easily duped the Enterprise into a trap. I’m 90% certain that the way he lovingly demanded excessive screen time and detail into the destruction of the iconic Enterprise was a deliberate proverbial middle finger to the fans. That and the destruction of Vulcan. Probably a few other things I’ve mercifully forgotten. His love of lens flare was obvious even in Fringe. Anyway I was growing increasingly frustrated during the third season, it felt like everything was coming off the rails and getting increasingly daft and nonsensical. In early S4 when I realised that he’d thrown away the original “blue” universe, the characters and events of all the previous seasons I was done. I did wiki the eventual ending some years later, and I remain proud that I parsed all the nonsense early on had the Observers pegged as the eventual “big bad” in… uh… I forget. Late S1 or early S2 when the Fringe team chased a briefcase but lost it to the bad guys *again.* I’m still amazed that one man managed to almost singlehandedly destroy two franchises I liked with Star Wars and Star Trek. Still, by watching Fringe we can boast of having seen Meghan Markle before she met Prince Harry. It’s just a shame she did something so bad behind the scenes that she got fired so fast that she was only in two episodes and the writing/production team didn’t even spare a line of dialogue to explain why her character disappeared. They just behaved like she never existed.

[@KRobinson-ko1ne]

“What are stories but mystery boxes?!”

[@jcurses]

"...I think I died, and then she stole Uncle Owen's farm... and then started using my surname... I don't think I'll sleep again." 😂😂 Those were my thoughts exactly by the end of RoS.

[@jiggycalzone8585]

She got the saber(s), the x wing, the falcon, the farm, the name, the powers, the legacy.

[@davidt8087]

@@jiggycalzone8585lmao. I'm not a star wars fan, I'm into star trek. But for once we have a common problem. These talentless disgusting hacks have ruined our favorite franchises.

[@JohnAnderson-ev3lp]

​@@jiggycalzone8585 and buried it in the sand 😂

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Every time I see the scene I can't think of anything but the thing that's waiting in the bushes.

[@histguy101]

How about "lights flicker while penetrating a planet's atmosphere"? There. Was that hard? With all the problems with TFA, im not understanding why you go for the most trivial of details that can be explained however you want, just totally random stuff. You even recognized it as the "anti-prequel episode," then devolved into flickering lights and "BB8 just isnt as practical!"

[@smashstuff86]

I was accused of nitpicking when I pointed out at Galaxy's Edge in Florida, the moisture vaporators were surrounded by puddles of water. My point was that Disney didn't understand SW. All they knew was moisture vaporators looked like a Star Wars thing, so just throw it in. The fact that the disastrous Star Wars hotel shut down proves my point.

[@mrcheese5383]

I mean tbf that is pretty nitpicky

[@ninjatango]

Nope.@@mrcheese5383

[@mandowarrior123]

​@@mrcheese5383it really isn't. As a kid that would've been horrid to see. They're one of the iconic pieces of technology from the first film.

[@scorpixel1866]

​@@mrcheese5383It's the STAR WARS hotel, the *entire* point of it was to draw in SW fans.

[@MisterMoccasin]

Like, puddles made by rain? That's a bit out of their control isn't it? Lol

[@Scowleasy]

I can’t believe that Luke is so powerful that his absence was the single reason the first order was able to be created. Instead of, y’know, a galactic republic

[@SequentiallyCompact]

The whole 'map to Luke Skywalker' idea gets stupider and stupider the more you try and make sense of it. The entire plot involves two galaxy spanning organizations putting finding one individual as priority number one. And somehow, a map exists to his location, and is fragmented into puzzle pieces for... reasons, and they are system trotting over the whole galaxy committing vast military resources to getting these pieces of the map. This is something kids playing with action figures would create as a reason to bang them together.

[@roflcopter4273]

@@SequentiallyCompact A map being split into two parts with both being necessary doesn't really make sense to me to begin with. Maybe it's just because I'm unfamiliar with the "lore" but how does that work? Like either the map shows the location or it doesn't?

[@SequentiallyCompact]

@@roflcopter4273 I think you're experiencing exactly what I described. You're trying to make rational sense of something that had almost zero thought put into it beyond 'this will set up the action of the story.'

[@Garviel-Loken]

​@@roflcopter4273It simply doesn't work as a fundamental idea. It is a central part of the map that's missing, so it wouldn't be hard to work out where Luke is. They could literally check the map against any other map/database that displays the bit of space in question and they would soon discover what's missing from the map. This story line seems to imply that there is only one map of the entire galaxy within the Star Wars universe. Everyone has access to this map and anyone can randomly remove or delete parts of it when they like. (To be fair, the Empire had this ability. It was called the Death star 😂) Pretty much the same story line, with the same problems exists in the prequels.

[@lord_wyran]

@@roflcopter4273 also the fact that the map basically represented the galaxy as a 2.5D plane and the only part missing was a relatively small section with maybe a few hundred planets, but the first order committed its resources to searching literally everywhere in the galaxy except that single blank spot on the map.

[@kapitankapital6580]

I think the big problem I have with the First Order (and the sequels in general, although TLJ is noticeably less guilty of this) is that there's nothing new kit-wise, it's all just derivatives of OT stuff. The idea of the Imperial style faction being the underdog would be a great opportunity to give us some new ships or troops more fitting of their role, like a flotilla of smaller picket ships rather than ships of the line. Or an evolution of the Tie Interceptor that gives them a fighter which can compete or even defeat an X-Wing. Seeing an enemy who has learned from the Rebellion and is actually deploying their tactics against our heroes would have been an entertaining new twist, and would have sold a lot more reference books...

[@whyiwakeup6460]

I wish they changed the stormtroopers more. Clone troopers and OT troopers look quite different, but First Order troopers have smoother helmets and sometimes look like they have tactical vests, and that’s it.

[@kapitankapital6580]

@@whyiwakeup6460 there's a piece of concept art where the FO troopers look more like Scout Troopers and I think that would be a cool direction to have taken it. Like it's still an evolution from the Empire, but it's more of an elite tactical force

[@pubcle]

Pedantic, I know, but TIE fighters already had defeated X-Wings at a rate similar to casualties taken, as seen over the Death Star. While the ship was undoubtedly inferior the pilot program was extremely intense for the Empire and Imperial fighters were dangerous. It took time for the Rebel Alliance to be able to counter the Imperial TIE Fighter effectively and was heavily boosted through defectors who brought some of the standards of Imperial fighter tactics and skill. The TIE Interceptor was a comparable ship to Rebel fighters and better in the anti-fighter role than the X-wing, comparable to an A-wing sacrificing shields for greater firepower and maneuverability. The TIE Defender was an all around superior ship, but too resource intensive and requiring too much retooling to ever be made the standard, it also was far too much for purpose as a standard ship since the Empire relied on fighters for screening and not as the main thrust like the Rebellion did up until the end of the war. While it would be neat thematically and stylistically to see how the Empire developed a fighter-focused approach it wouldn't work particularly well within the setting and would feel almost alien honestly to what the Empire is, not in the good way of new and exciting but in the more subversive sense in my opinion. For the Empire to be on the backfoot we'd likely rather see more things like Thrawn's approach to fleets. It would be far too much of a demand to ask the Empire, especially one out of power, to fully retool the entirety of fleets and strategies for a fighter-focused approach. Rather, it would need to continue utilizing the big ships but use them as efficiently as possible and be a little more focused on ships of the Victory-class scale rather than Imperial-class, much like what we see in the Expanded Universe when the Imperial Remnant is at its weakest in the later stages.

[@kapitankapital6580]

@@pubcle except the First Order *is not* the Empire, nor are they an Imperial Remnant. They only need to have an aesthetic continuation with the Empire, they do not (and in my opinion shouldn't have) utilised the same tactics and strategies. Yes, having the bad guys have superior fighters to the heroes would be subversive, that's the point. It's supposed to make them feel like a threat.

[@DrTheRich]

I hate that they are already a big thing apparently at the start of the movie. And already be able to destroy the entire new republic before we even got to know it. I think it was more fun if they were a newly growing threat. With the new republic failing to stop it growing due maybe infighting or hubris, or demilitarization. And then maybe at the end of the second movie everyone would be put into place when the new threat turns out to be capable enough to destroy a planet. Leaving a devastated, demoralized republic to scramble to protect its existence.

[@artizzy2k2k]

I LOVE going to the theater to watch a movie only to be thrown into near pitch black scenes where I can barely see anything

[@antonisauren8998]

Even better at home in lit room on lcd screen with low view angle sitting on the coach. Likely conditions for any streaming show they creators does not understand.

[@alexo_pog]

i mean, cinemas work fairly well with dark scenes, have fun watching the darkness on tv lol

[@MichaelAarons1701]

Or watching an atmospherically dark movie in a room where some asshole insists on having a light on especially back in the pre-digital age on a CRT!🤬

[@davnadz]

inspired GoT Winterfell

[@SovietReunionYT]

Ah yes, JJ darkness, the visual counterpart to Christopher Nolan sound design.

[@TheEyez187]

31:18 - Every little hatch on R2-D2's body offers possibility! - Lando Calrisian enters the chat!

[@evenjohansen4584]

😏

[@Cosmicbrownies42]

Thanks Disney

[@justanotherguy6345]

You know you're in for a good time when the bread circus talks about lights and robots for 40 minutes straight

[@FriendlyDarkwraith]

This is rapidly becoming one of the best dedicated Star Wars channels on KZbin.

[@pcarrierorange]

I am foaming at the mouth for the bread circus analysis of space footwear

[@justanotherguy6345]

@@pcarrierorange same here lol

[@TheSpartan186]

I appreciate the use of the expanded universe as canon. A fellow true-believer.

[@timothyho5786]

The Expanded universe is true canon of Star Wars except the Disney LUCASFiLM canon timeline is so 💩 story telling.🖕🏼❌💩🤖👻☠️🗑🕳

[@FriendlyDarkwraith]

They already had something that had existed unchanged for decades, and they just threw it in the garbage. As far as I'm concerned, if it didn't come directly from the Maker himself, then whatever the EU says is canon... for the most part.

[@pubcle]

@@FriendlyDarkwraith We can all agree to toss the hypno gun and the Hand of Vader into the trash can but with a few hiccups in a collection of 800 books the EU is a masterstroke of creation. It had less consistency errors across the sum total, which also contained around 1100 comics and 80 video games, than Disney had in a single trilogy.

[@FriendlyDarkwraith]

@@pubcle And Triclops. Don't forget about Triclops. Luuuke should probably be renamed, too.

[@pubcle]

@@FriendlyDarkwraith Triclops is from The Hand of Vader, that's the book he's in.

[@FriendlyDarkwraith]

A neat idea would have been if the manufacturer of the Imperial Interrogation Droid also created the BB unit as a PR move to improve their company's image in the post-Imperial era, hence the overly manipulative and cynical attempt to appear "cute". It'd also explain why the Not-Empire uses the same type of droid, and why both styles of droid share the same basic spherical design. In fact, it's like you took one of those interrogation droids, stripped out the repulsors and just slapped a miniature R2 head on top of it.

[@reginaldgickington4793]

That actually would make an incredible amount of sense... BB-9E really does just look like an interrogation droid without the needles, now that you mention it.

[@АлексейМомот-щ7о]

The problem with that is that it's an internal Imperial department, not an actual company 😢

[@nattylight7817]

@@АлексейМомот-щ7о Could easily be a sub faction of the Empire that split off after the civil war, unless there's lore that says otherwise, of course.

[@jemm113]

I imagine the empire had subcontractors in its more remote sectors, and the BB units could have been their attempt at pacifying New Republic leaders to avoid getting the book thrown at them during warcrime trials. Pull a ‘Nazi Scientists at NASA’ and explain how these firms and scientists from the Empire make their way into both government and corporate firms, and while some stay loyal, others end up supporting the FO/evil faction replacement and supplying these droids to them via shell companies and smuggling.

[@eventsinarizona]

It’s always a good day when the bread and circus is in town

[@BungieStudios]

Give them bread and circuses. 🍞 🎪

[@serpentinious7745]

Imagine watching BB8 roll back and forth trying to get the right tool hatch into a position where it can actually use it and still be close enough to reach the thing it's trying to interact with.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

See, that would be good comic relief. Even better if other characters point out how bad the design is.

[@Reishadowen]

That dream sequence was great, had me doubled over laughing. Nice one.

[@newsbender]

"She had a head like a cinder block" 😂

[@MichaelAarons1701]

My favorite part was hearing AI Mark Hamill straight up say “buttfuck nowhere”!🤣🤣🤣

[@ajf5823]

This is how they could explain away the dreadful sequels

[@tommymarco]

lol !!!! just brilliant !

[@SamM-gl9zc]

While most people were celebrating The Force Awakens, the moment they Killed Han Solo, and then when they land, Leia brushes right past Chewie to hug Rey, I knew they had killed SW. I had no idea that they were going to do the job so thoroughly that TFA would be by far the best of the three 😂😢. They excitedly killed one of the goldenest geese of all time.

[@LukeLovesRose]

True. That moment was bull***t. It wouldve shown a great arc for Leia. Remember when she couldn't stand to walk alongside Chewy? If she embraced Chewy in a big, sorrowful hug after Hans death, that wouldve been beautiful

[@SamM-gl9zc]

@LukeLovesRose - Totally. And it would have *made sense.* Regardless of how she felt about him, she knew how He felt about Han. She knew Han trusted him enough that when he was going into the Carbonite, that's who he asked to protect her. She knew he and Han had rolled together for Decades. And, they knew Rey for about 3 days at that point and they choose to have Leia act like Rey's the one Really affected, TOTALLY ignoring Chewie. It's SO ridiculous.

[@therightarmofthefreeworld4703]

@@SamM-gl9zc Leia gives Chewy a hug after they escape from the Death Star in A New Hope. When Han and Luke leave the cockpit to man the guns, Leia is left to assist Chewy in copiloting the ship. They experience adversity together and come through it, so she warms to him. It’s very simple writing but it works because it’s something we can relate to on a basic human level (or humanoid in Chewy’s case 😊). Then at the beginning of Jedi, they go to Jabba’s palace to rescue Han, with Chewy posing as Leia’s prisoner. To put themselves into such a dangerous situation together shows that their relationship is well established at this point and it’s obvious they care about and trust each other. Which only adds to the travesty you are referring to. With everything they’ve been through, Leia and Chewy would be the first to embrace each other and bawl their eyes out over their shared loss. The Disney trilogy disrespects the original trilogy characters and their bonds so much, it’s disgusting.

[@namikstudios]

Harrison Ford would only agree to play Han Solo if he was killed off. He had wanted to be killed off all the way back in The Empire Strikes Back, which is why they put Han in the carbon freeze in case they couldn't get Harrison back for Return of the Jedi. Lucas himself planned for Solo to die in Episode VII, just as he planned for Luke to die in Episode VIII too.

[@KRobinson-ko1ne]

They still could have given him a better death, one that preserves the credibility of his arc in the OT. Having Ben just shank him after Han failing to be any influence over him whatsoever is just a terrible note to leave the character on People argue it was necessary for BEN’S development but needless to say I don’t like this: it essentially shrugs off Hans own importance. And the argument stating that “Hans story is over” is ridiculous: this whole scenario renders Hans story in the OT obsolete What’s more is that Hans death doesn’t even serve that purpose, that essential function for Ben’s arc. Snoke deems his murder irrelevant to Ben’s training at the beginning of TLJ and from that point on Ben is now more reluctant to kill his parents, Leia anyway And from THAT point on there’s little to no reaction to Han or his death He was totally wasted

[@user-is7xs1mr9y]

That dream sequence is way better than all of Disney's Star Wars, good job! 🤣

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

Even Andor?

[@xelldincht4251]

Star Wars fans wanted a new movie so badly that they gave this soulless rehash praise Luke telling Obi-Wan about his nightmare was pure comedy gold

[@TheTraya]

Star Wars fans didn’t do this. Big corporations did stop blaming other people.

[@xelldincht4251]

@@TheTraya Some fans liked the movie even its a soulless rehash

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@Nin10dofan8Then there wouldn't be any reason to watch them when I could just read the books.

[@Izithel]

I think a lot of people were also desperately cooping with the idea that it is only "the first movie in a trilogy, surely the stupid will be explained in the next two movies".

[@DIEGhostfish]

23:34 The first order sinking its ENTIRE budget into superweapons and scrimping on lighting is mildly amusing I have to say.

[@Frommerman]

And tracks with the behavior of the actual Nazis. The V2 was a failure as a means of prosecuting the war. They were staggeringly expensive, one-time use, spent resources they had limited supplies of (including human lives, when you consider the death toll among the slaves they forced to build the things), and could never level a city the way a fleet of Allied bombers could. What they were was racist propaganda meant to prove the "superiority of German intellects." Similarly, Death Stars and their ilk are worthless as weapons. Once everyone knows you have such a thing, the galaxy becomes ungovernable. Everyone with any resources will gladly sink them into rebellion, as failure means your entire world is permanently at risk. And you can't just go around vaporizing every planet which rebels, because then you'll be left with an empire of ash unable to support your space infrastructure. All the Death Star does is make the Empire feel unstoppable. It doesn't actually provide unstoppability.

[@DIEGhostfish]

@@Frommerman Eh, "get caught, get got" as a motive to proactively crack down on your own dissenters was the theory, and I understand that.

[@Frommerman]

@@DIEGhostfish Except that doesn't work even in the real world. People keep committing capital crimes even when the punishment is death because deterrence is ineffective. If you want to prevent murder, improve people's material conditions past the point where murder ever seems like the only way out. If you want to prevent rebellion, be a polity which people have no reason to rebel against. But empires can't accept that. Because if they did they'd stop being empires.

[@DIEGhostfish]

@Frommerman Deterence is incredibly effective on a smart enough population, but needs to be increasingly swift as intelligence goes down and time preference shortens. Though not so much for the practice of basic sapient liberties.

[@salt_factory7566]

⁠​⁠@@FrommermanThe Death Star was more a political tool than a weapon, and starkiller wiped out the entire republic military (obviously awfully convenient for restarting a rebel and empire dynamic) but in universe these weapons were far from worthless.

[@tnoztnoz3547]

I remember the view that TFA was anti-Prequels from So Uncivilized's Anti-Trilogy video. That was a good video.

[@noahstevenson3605]

i love the "from his nap" bit, you should release it as a short!

[@TheMAZZTer]

Personally I'm not sure I buy the idea Disney was trying to go avoid doing anything the PT did. I think the explanation for Episode 7 is much simpler. Disney's main goal was to make money, so they wanted to make a safe movie, so they just made Episode 4 again. One revelation I came to recently, is the sequel trilogy is in fact not a trilogy and we should not be calling it such. Lucas made two trilogies and he planned at least some aspects of them from the start. The PT especially had to be done this way so it would line up with the OT. There are surprisingly few plot holes that result so I think Lucas did a pretty good job with that. Of course some details were obviously filled in on the fly... Darth Vader being Luke's father, Leia being Luke's sister were both obviously come up with when making the movies when they were revealed. As far as the ST goes, we see Rey's parentage flip flop in all three movies to being important to not important to important again, as an example. There was no big arc, just a desperate attempt in Episode 9 when Disney realized they had forgotten to make one. Without that big arc, that singular story being told over three movies, it's not a trilogy, just three movies ordered chonologically.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Yeah, if they would've done the sequels as one long story, cut into three semi-independent parts, it would've been more coherent.

[@HyperSonicX]

Plot wise, yes. But the fact that they went so insanely overboard on practical effects (here and in The Mandalorian, and they look great, this is not a criticism) certainly feels like a deliberate attempt to distance themselves from the overreliance on CG the Prequels had. Disney uses CG so liberally everywhere else, after all.

[@holeymcsockpuppet]

Three things that destroy a sci-fi movie. 1. Lighting problems. 2. Bad dialog. 3. Disney

[@publichearing8536]

also 4. people in the early 2000's who kinda liked Star Wars as children 20 years ago but can't accept their head canon not being true

[@mikedrop4421]

Omg I'm so happy you're talking about this film. I believe you've got the title wrong I think it's "The New Hope cover band starring KK and the JJ's"

[@gunnarsoderhielm3425]

The point about lighting is really interesting to me. I have a clear memory of when I went to see the Force Awakens in cinema for the first time and the opening scene of the First Order Stormtroopers in the landing craft left a lasting impression on me. I didn't realise what it was about it that felt so not-Star Wars to me, until you pointed out that it was really just the lighting doing it. I honestly didn't mind it on its own, and I actually felt excited that the movie was trying something new for Star Wars, but then it ended up being a remake of A New Hope with modern cinematography slapped on to it. I think it could have been interesting if they really would have pushed these new kinds off elements. But ultimately it didn't do enough of either keeping the old style or doing something new.

[@iNsOmNiAcAnDrEw]

I like that you're providing all the basic, appropriate counter points to enablers of this new trilogy. Some people get so caught up on just one or two things, but you seem to be catching way more than most critics do.

[@CANProductionZz]

Thank you for being so responsive to your viewers. I very much look forward to Part 2 of this series. In the meantime, I will finish watching the Phantom Menace analysis.

[@thebreadcircus]

We do try! There has to be a balance with getting the new videos made, but we genuinely appreciate the audience and like interacting with them. Several times in TPM, we've had to include a comment in the video because the guy made such a convincing and well-reasoned point. As for the next part of TFA, we don't have any immediate plans for a part 2 of this series. We're going to be working through the prequels and the OT for the foreseeable future, which is likely to be quite a few years. This video didn't do well in The Algorithm until the past couple of weeks, so I never finished writing the script for a part 2. I can't make any promises, but we do have plans for the occasional standalone video while we're in the middle of the AOTC series. It's possible we might use that bonus video slot for a part 2 of this. -DZ

[@Soccercrazyigboman]

​@@thebreadcircusplease it'd be nice to see a part 2.

[@TokyoXtreme]

AI Luke really summed it up well, highlighting the sheer absurdity of the events.

[@jacemonster5]

the only possible solution for the invisible star destroyer problem in the beginning I can think of is that the light source is between the planet and the ship, somehow

[@BungieStudios]

Even then, Star Destroyers usually have lights and portholes/windows.

[@1armbiker]

Your thinking of lighting in atmosphere. In space there’s nothing to bounce the light around, at least not really. If you were looking flat on at a cube in space, with the sun ever so slightly to the front of you, you wouldn’t be able to see any of the cube at all, it would just be a ‘hole’ in the stars. In the shot with the start destroyer the sun is clearly somewhere in front of the camera and to the left, so the vast majority of the star destroyer would be in the “hard shadow” of space and would have no light on it at all. Granted, you should probably still be able to see a tiny sliver of the left side of the destroyer, but it’s hard to get that precise of an angle measurement from just that one shot.

[@idiot_city5444]

​@1armbiker it's not that deep... this is a movie series about space wizards

[@TrafalgarWaterDLaw-dl5cm]

My suggestion would be a sort of new cloaking tech. Imagine the threat and bsdassery of s fleet of invidible Star destroyers appearing out of nowhere. That way you can say it blends with the enviorment, but one got a bit faulty (Possibly still a prototype) and incorrectly adjusts to space. Temporarily giving it a dark haul.

[@norrecvizharan1177]

True, but the "to-be-fair" part is that magic and mechanics end up being a lot more fun to mess with (and also impactful on the story) the more one tends to apply thought to them. Besides, Star Wars is actually still somewhat deeper than it looks.@@idiot_city5444

[@GELTONZ]

For me, Star Wars fell off a cliff in that opening text crawl and I've been screaming "EXPLAIN THE FIRST ORDER!" ever since. Like...we don't even need to go beyond that. How did the Rebels defeat the Empire and become weaker? How did the Empire lose and become stronger? AND DON'T QUOTE OBI-WAN! That doesn't apply here! Without explaining how we even got into this situation, nothing else makes sense. This is not an ignoreable plot point!

[@MALICEM12]

That Luke AI dream sequence was fucking great "my dirty hobo beard" hahaha. But its very true, the sequels in general really said "hey, the originals had WWII references. Lets do more of that!" And made star wars basically WWII in space even more so than the previous films, to the point that they disregard lore.

[@doomsdayrabbit4398]

The key point is WWII *references* being the space battles, while politically being more of a Vietnam allegory, mostly because during WWII air combat was a new thing, so a lot of footage had been shot of it, while during Vietnam it was far more of a routine thing.

[@koobmoon]

Luke waking from a fever dream was so funny 😅

[@BungieStudios]

The R6 takes me waaaay back. Like reading cool Star Wars technical manuals in my Middle School’s library way back. Thanks for your thorough exploration of lore.

[@BungieStudios]

I forgot it and the R7 even existed. I stopped caring. This video brought back old joys. So thank you again.

[@AAhmou]

@@BungieStudios I still remember the R7, its cool radar eye is pretty iconic.

[@antonisauren8998]

What iteration was sabotage attempt by Kueler & Brakiss to replace whole NR astromech stock with bombs?

[@cloudydays3136]

13:10 The solution for this shot would be another large body such as a moon casting a shadow on the ship leaving it in darkness while the planet behind is still illuminated. But why you want this shot in a movie? For all we know this is a foam cup someone tossed into space.

[@RappingNinja]

I could go for a Part 2 :) loving this

[@AnchorJG]

30:29 "lock them in a room with the Princess and only the droids are at risk." is such a succinct description of all three characters.

[@Jm_m808]

I was reading the “expanded universe” books and comics as a young kid. The fact that Disney disregarded all of these stories is a spit in the face. It bothered me when I found out they didnt want anything to do with those stories, and I knew right then, how bad these movies would be.

[@KMCA779]

I never bought or read another Star Wars novel after that and I had an entire bookshelf worth of them. Almost every book released outside of the youth oriented series. Hell, I thought the Han Solo Trilogy would have been great, they could have probably cut that down to 2 books and still done Rogue One with his ex. It would have been a big improvement on Solo and probably a downgrade on R1... but I'd habe been happy

[@gplgs4640]

And then even after insisting that the sequels were only as soulless and disjointed as they were because “there was nothing to pull from”, they go and grab EU character after EU character and water them all down and drain them of everything that made them interesting characters to begin with. Kathleen Kennedy and every single executive under her is fucking pathetic.

[@namikstudios]

Lucas is on record as saying that the Expanded Universe did not fit his vision. It is in the same category as Disney's canon - ie not written by Lucas. If you want to get all fundamentalist about Star Wars then ONLY Lucas' work can be considered canon and nothing more. Personally, I think there is enjoyment to be found in the other stuff too.

[@jacobwiren8142]

It's incredible how stupid the people at Disney are. They deliberately invented BB8 because they wanted a Disney princess and her animal companion in a Star Wars movie, then they acted like this idea was original...

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

25:00 before we move on from flashing lights, let me add another option to add them in a night scene: explosions. The shuttles or their support (be it the star destroyer or escorting star fighters) are blowing things up, the flashing lights to get JJs affect are the explosions coming through windows.

[@NeonDripKitty]

could also be the glow from those shots going past, then you get to colour the light

[@Jason11190]

I was always under the impression that the First Order was named that because it was Order 1 or Palatine's contingency Orders, for example the infamous Order 66. In the event that palatine was killed and the empire fell, and remnants were to enact the 1st Order, go into hiding, and rebuild an army to retake the Galaxy. But I could be wrong.

[@cymrych79]

I always thought the same. Order 66, the First Order; it made sense that the similarity in the names wasn't a coincidence, and they both must have had their origins in long-standing plans of Palpatine.

[@Theanimeisforme]

Guess you are of a select few that believe disney could have thought that up, or even reach that point in cohesive planning.

[@cymrych79]

@@Theanimeisforme Back when TFA came out but before I saw the movie, yeah, I foolishly had quite a bit of optimism. Not for the mouse per se, but I figured it was Star Wars, the stories can practically write themselves and it would be glorious to see. Certainly, at the VERY least I thought I'd see something that had, you know, actual thought put into it. And like 90% of the people in my theater, I left going "hnh, what just happened?" and in my best McGregor imitation, "I have a bad feeling about this...." Took me about a week of processing it and replaying the movie in my head to see just how misplaced that optimism was.

[@occam7382]

The First Order (apparently) derives its name from one of its early leaders, Grand Admiral Rae Sloane, who during a meeting between what remained of the Imperial leadership to figure out what to do after the New Republic took Coruscant said, "It's time to start over. That is our first order: to begin again, and to get it right this time." Which is pretty neat, but WHY DIDN'T WE SEE THIS?!

[@animalhalo5984]

Well Lucky for you, you will never know. JarJar Abrams and Kathleen Kennedy said “what should we call the bad guys? The empire is already taken….um does First Order sound cool?”

[@RemnantCult]

In EU, we have the Imperial Remnants and I was hoping for this First Order to be a new and improved version of that. Imperial extremists who live in secrecy in the deepest reaches of known and habited space finally making a huge collaborative move is a good idea for a new and interesting enemy faction. The problem is that they are already so powerful and are seemingly fighting for nothing but killing all that resembles the republic and good policy. Disney's New Republic must have been ran by First Order spies and incompetent individuals because they did all the wrong moves that left them very vulnerable to be just being decimated by a faction running off of repainted old tech, slave labor new tech, and plenty of Fascist like rage over honestly nothing. They are, after all, generic evil bad guys with anger issues and new toys. And now, by the time the first movie is finished, the New Republic is nothing, several planets are destroyed, and hate and insanity rule the galaxy. The fact that the "Resistance" can even muster some fortunate in battle is very unrealistic. But here's the thing, lore didn't matter with these movies. What mattered was that they found a way to bring everything back to square one. We could have a new dynamic in Star Wars. We needed the good guys to be scrappy underdogs and the bad guys to be a huge and terrifying threat. Sorry, I think this approach that Disney Wars took just really rubs me the wrong way. I could bitch about it for hours because there was a lot of good the writers could have done.

[@aralornwolf3140]

Actually, the New Republic _was_ ran by spies and incompetent individuals. That's Canon, lol. It's also the only reason they could think of to explain Jar Jar's writing in TFA. The Force Awakens lost me when the Red Beam of Death destroyed Not-Coruscant. It was at that point I stopped caring about the movie... sat back watched it and never had an interest in watching the rest of the trilogy. All Jar Jar had to do was... 1. Have Luke train Jedi 2. Have Han and Leia together 3. Present a threat for the New Republic to deal with 4. Learn from the mistakes of the Prequels We ended up with none of that... as you said, Jar Jar couldn't even use the lore... he had to reinvent everything for fancy scenes...

[@sirshotty7689]

I understand that they wanted the scrappy protagonist underdogs vs expansive opposition thing but they could’ve done that without being completely stupid. For instance. “After the Battle of Endor with the combination of lack of military high command still alive resulting in infighting and also wide scale uprising across the galaxy resulted in the empire fracturing into remnant territories. After the formation of the new republic the remnant forces fell into a temporary alliance to oppose the new republic’s rapid expansion across the galaxy. After an arduous and bloody war between the new republic and the imperial remnant alliance it ended in a stalemate. Both sides negotiated a peace treaty with one of the conditions being a mutual disarmament. The resistance are officially a group of insurgent factions from within the imperial remnant territories that fight against the local remnant factions. But in actuality they’re a covert new republic intelligence-backed paramilitary organization who’s leadership is largely made up of galactic civil war veterans. The resistance basically exists for the new republic to combat and destabilize remnant territories whilst maintaining plausible deniability and thus preventing a unified imperial remnant alliance from occurring again. The first order was originally a small extremist remnant faction near the furthest edge of the outer rim which was largely regarded as insignificant by both the republic and other remnant factions. But suddenly, seemingly out of nowhere, they had a massive growth in military power and started annexing other remnant territories into a consolidated imperial faction. If they aren’t stopped now then it very well may result in yet another war between a unified imperial faction and the new republic. Literally took me like 5 minutes to come up with lmao.

[@citizenvulpes4562]

But, you see, that doesn't fit Disney's politics. Using insurgents as a way to destabilize other political regions would rub leftist Disney viewers the wrong way.

[@jemm113]

@@sirshotty7689 Holy shit that was absolute FIRE!!! The idea of the New Republic running the Resistance as a proxy military group is fantastic AND makes way more sense in context, especially in regards to the name! And the movies could have had a ton of cold war shit going on between the two factions while the big action would be used when fighting the upstart, aggressive faction!

[@sirshotty7689]

@@jemm113 thanks for the compliment. I mostly just took general concepts from the writers setting and tried to implement it into the galaxy in a way that could make sense. I’d say It still needs a bit of workshopping but as a rough idea I like it. It was mostly inspired by things like Operation Cyclone and the Contra War, so yeah, heavy Cold War inspirations there.

[@The_ScapeGoat]

Right off the bat, calling Disney a "Subversion Entity" is an instant subscribe.

[@charlie5173]

The R6 has been my favorite R series astromech for ages, and while it's appeared in the background of a few pieces of visual media, it's nice to hear someone sing its praises and not completely ignore it.

[@koma9sensey]

Come on I can hear the HOMEWORLD OST and now I can't unhear it. 😶‍🌫️👍 Good work on the video as well.

[@tyrannozilla]

R2-D2 is basically a swiss-army knife on wheels, so he serves more of a purpose compared to a robotic beach ball.

[@riftvallance2087]

Bb would have made more sense that if instead of a mass produced military model it was Poe's custom built Droid. Would explain the poor design, more limited capability and why he treats it as more of a pet then a utility item.

[@citizenvulpes4562]

That involves writing interesting characters. Imagine scenes where you have Finn complaining about how useless BB8 is, and how Poe should just invest in an R6 unit or something, only for Poe to try to shut him up by saying something along the lines of how he built the droid through spare parts as a kid.

[@riftvallance2087]

@@citizenvulpes4562 Which would be an excellent call back to Anakin another Ace pilot who occasionally dabbles in droid smithing. If they were really clever they could have poes arch mirror Anakin only when his morality is tested at the end he stays strong instead of falls.

[@Vvykk]

At 5:09 Luke's dream, this one segment is better than anything Disney put out regarding Star Wars.

[@jamesp.6753]

That Vakama joke killed me. Well done sir. Well done.

[@timebrain3188]

Okay, you HAD to know what you were doing with Vakama... didn't take you for also being a Bionicle fan!

[@KevinSilva-h7r]

Unrelated to the video but im pretty sure i just got three ads while it said 2 ads were supposed to play back to the video i love it

[@vonneely1977]

No punches pulled, no soft language, no Bantha podo. +1 for you, Good Sir.

[@RoarOfWolverine]

When I read a comment where someone asked “how can the Star Wars universe be saved in the new trilogy”. It seemed impossible, but the only reboot I could think of to fix the mess Jar Jar and Basketballhead had left in their wake was to start the first episode for the new trilogy would begin with Luke waking up and realizing that the entire last trilogy was just a bad dream Luke had, then start a real story that makes sense and can fit as an actual continuation of the saga. No First Order, no Ben Solo, no omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent Rey Palpatine, since that is impossible because the Emperor was actually killed, permanently by Anakin’s sacrifice. When I saw your introduction as a fever dream by Luke, I had to laugh since that was the only way I could think to fix the mess Jar Jar Abrams and Basketballface Johnson had completely trashed. There is no way possible way to make any of that shit canon. It completely renders Luke and Anakin’s killing of Emperor Palpatine have any weight. For all of those Reylo shippers, Disney would sell off the rights to Rey and Ben to a company that will make RomComs starring Daisy and Donald. That’s the only movies right for their love story, not Star Wars.

[@Toshiro93]

I am of the opinion that now that ship has sailed forever, if they ever get involved in the sequel phase it will be to create a plot with Rey alone to try to make her less indigestible. But I highly doubt they will ever retrace their steps...unfortunately

[@calliebates3066]

Toa Vakama illustrating the concept of invisibility was a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one

[@RaiJolt2]

Indeed

[@spencerdavid6331]

Oh wow the AI Luke voice killed me. Great video, I really appreciate your work on SW. Also - I really enjoy the upscaled to 60fps scenes, just very cool.

[@Raufi1917]

Can’t wait for part two, brilliant analysis ❤

[@SPIRE_FAN]

This is such a great video that further depicts how much overall passion was put into the first 6 movies and EU in general for world building while respecting said-world. The fact that you're using ship schematics from books is another great reference to how much thought was put into those things before "the sequel trilogy."

[@Troopertroll]

Finally, someone who calls the original movie "Star Wars". Not "Episode IV, not "A New Hope". "Star Wars".

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

He still used the Episode IV opening crawl, which irked me.

[@namikstudios]

A New Hope hasn't been called just Star Wars for a very long time, since The Empire Strikes Back in fact. Calling it Episode IV or A New Hope avoids confusion with the wider franchise.

[@TheBluePretender]

It’s wild what’ll do it for me. Been watching your videos for a while now, but I finally subscribed as soon as you flashed Toa Vakama on screen.

[@exidy-yt]

Holy shit that AI Luke voice was AMAZING!

[@marcipinter6723]

Well done! this is the first video i saw about any star star wars movie that covered so much lore and cinematic details for comparison (43 minutes long video and he's still not past the first 2 minutes of the movie)

[@JJ5Gamer]

I personally think that yes while disney could not copy the EU for their movies, they should have atleast used it for the sequels. Even better, maybe put a actual star wars fan in charge instead of some bozos who have no care for the source material

[@mandowarrior123]

KK's fault, that, not Disney per se. She vehemently rejects anyone who actually likes star wars working on it.

[@RaiJolt2]

As far as I know JJ actually is a star wars fan, but no in the deep lore knoledge kinda way, more in the look how cool it is sorta way. Thats why TFA and ROS felt like fanfiction, a what if the OT was EDGYYY. Look BLOOD, on his FACE, and instead of 1 planet FIVE planets and it destroys a star too. And what if palpatine ould summon an entire storm, extra evil ahahaha

[@Kayoss13212]

I can’t believe I actually remember being happy when I first heard that Star Wars was coming back 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@selvahechicera4292]

I knew Jar Jar Abrams would mess this up.

[@KeriRautenkranz]

Geez! Being a little rough on Jar Jar Binks, aren't you? There's a good chance he's Darth Jar Jar after all...😆

[@selvahechicera4292]

@@KeriRautenkranz His name is Darth Ridiculous not Darth Jar Jar.

[@TheTonyMcD]

JJ was probably contractually obliged to open the movie with darkness because the Disney execs feared the famed JJ flares.

[@mickeyburnsmusic]

Luke just went to the store to get a pack of cigarettes. He’ll be back soon

[@nathanjora7627]

The funny thing with the lights in the assault barge at the beginning is that arguably, you wouldn’t want such bright light when your soldiers are about to descend on a part of the planet that is during the night.

[@omegaasura21]

38:35 Good catch, most fans will understand why Kuat doesn't make sense...but that's not Disney apparently

[@cola98765]

I don't even sit that deep in SW lore, just watched someone play Star Wars: Empire at War with some mod and talking lore in the background. And still when pointed out I realized WHY that's wrong, as that's where whey made all the cheese wedges

[@for_super_earth]

30:25 You said that wasnt the standard but the cybermen first showed up in 1966 in the "tenth planet" episode of doctor who

[@SilvrSavior]

Don't trust the BB8. Trust the great R8!

[@connor1910]

I know I’m a bit late to the party, but I got scared when I saw the thumbnail thinking you were talking about The Force Unleashed. Knowing that’s not the case, I can safely watch in agreement

[@RagnarTheGrey]

I'd buy 20 bbs for 20 credits. Gonna turn them into the most oversized dual duty Mouse/Cleaner droids.

[@emmettturner9452]

My problem with the BB8 stuff was the inherent assumption that Rey had any more of a claim to him than the scrapper she essentially stole him from. There’s no explanation for why BB8 is scared of one scrapper and more accepting of Rey… and then they act like she’s more noble when she wanted to do the exact same thing with it. It makes no sense!

[@EvelynNdenial]

using a sandstorm to get the flashing lights and darkness could work really well actually. the stormtroopers land in the storm and you can barely see a thing. poe sends the droid to run out into the storm covering its escape. then kylo exits his shuttle and we get an even better demonstration of his power than holding the blaster bolt as he pushes out the sandstorm making a bubble of clear air allowing the troopers to advance. and you get a fucking fantastic visual in the background of shots with a wall of a roiling sandstorm lit up with flashes of lightning.

[@omegaasura21]

Get your bread and circuses, ladies and gentlemen

[@starsilverinfinity]

The funniest thing about inserting repulsorlifts into BB8 is that, yet again, there is a model of astromech from Legends (and funnily enough their own canon) that fits that file that Disney couldve used, kept the cute ball look, and make much more sense: The Q7 Astromech droid - it was a more experimental model made for use in the V-wing starfighters used by the Galactic Republic during the Clone Wars, and was literally a afloating sphere, with an astromech head as the top half They couldve easily made BB-8 a modernized take on the concept, maybe add the ground-based rolling as an emergency movement option for the lols if it lost repulsorlift power, or maybe it could spin like a top or something, idk Just wouldve made more sense

[@Geostationary0rbit]

Always good to hear homeworld music

[@ChupeTTe]

The facial expression from Alec Guiness seals the deal for me.

[@williamwassmann9349]

1:20 - I hear that Bread Circus. I know your true allegiance. Hiigara belongs to the Vaygr

[@garrethboland]

4:25 why is Nute's mouth blurred out? hahaha

[@HECKproductions]

the stupidest thing about bb8 is the connection between the head and the body since the body can roll around in any direction the head cannot be connected to it there cannot be a rail along which the head rotates around the body in order to say on thop because then the body could only roll along that specific line lest the head ends up at the side this means that a) a lot of bandwith is wasted by having head and body communicate wirelessly and b) the head would be easily detatchable with minimal force it shows that no thought went into it beyond "wOuLdNt iT bE cOoL iF tHiS dRoId HaD a BaLl FoR a BoDy"

[@immikeurnot]

The prequels weren't loved at the time. They're definitely viewed a lot more charitably today than at the time.

[@martingenero6328]

This Is not true. I invite you to watch some videos of TPHM premiere. It was episode II love plot that was hated. And Hayden dialogue on it. By RoTS the fans were in love again. The hate came between 2006-2007, when a minority of people started hating louder, insulting both Anakin's actors, hating on CGI, many OT purists hating on the polítics aspects of the movies...

[@calebdouglas6861]

"I think I died and then she stole uncle Owens farm, and then started using my surname." This is so accurate wtf

[@rupertcornelius]

FACT: Red Letter Media loved TFA until it became unfashionable to say it

[@dorkasaurus_rex]

It's a 7/10 movie on its best day

[@user-is7xs1mr9y]

The astrodroid section is unironically the best part about this video, it made me love R2-D2 even more.

[@GodeCynningaz5386]

You put people who have “done their homework” to shame.

[@HendersonSouth]

I really enjoyed the line about binocular dampeners, like it really tickled me

[@dutch_asocialite]

So, when can we expect a part two?

[@Woodward23]

Your videos are amazing why are you not the largest video essay channel out there.

[@ClamMan1989]

Jar Jar Abrams should be embarrassed.

[@domhuckle]

I'm expecting at least 50 parts to this

[@mysteryneophyte]

I've always liked the prequels literally always

[@mrblank-zh1xy]

Going on and on about the lighting is absolutely hilarious

[@derworfnet]

The thing about TFA is that it is a *product* designed to reach as many non-fans (who may or may not have some basic knowledge of the OT) as possible while offering enough basic "Star Wars" to scratch the itch of Fans just demanding an entertaining new SW-Movie. And, I have to admit, it works to an extent. It worked on me, for a while, anyway. TFA is well paced, features likeable characters played by likeable Actors, offers a well measured balance of Action, Humor, Suspense and Mystery, with a heap of Nostalgia, top-of-the-line Special Effects, a great John Williams-Score... and it left open questions many people (myself included) trusted the makers of the two following movies to answer in a satisfying fashion. In other words, it ticks a lot of boxes. And at the end of the day, at the time, I expected an entertaining movie and that is what I got. Sure, I could plainly see the obvious similarities to ANH but I shrugged and went "Ah well, guess they needed to play it safe at this point" and moved on. And when I'm satisfied, I don't ask questions. As I said at the start of this rant, its a Product. Its meant to be quickly consumed along with Pepsi and Popcorn by a (largely) non-fan Audience. Its meant to get you exited for the next Product. Since it worked for me for a while, I probably would have continued to consume without asking questions if TLJ hadn't appeared, pulled the wool off my eyes and broke the spell. So eventually, I started questioning TFA. And it ultimately doesn't hold up to even the slightest degree of scrutiny. It quickly falls apart once looked at even a little bit closer.

[@kellent8798]

I always said after I left the theater for Episode VII that I would hold judgment until the next two movies came out for precisely the reason that I trusted that all the open ends would be resolved satisfactorily by the time IX was done. I was a young, naïve fool.

[@davnadz]

i don't mind a little fan-service, but a two-hour "diversity is our strength" corpo training vid isn't fan service, it's just subversion

[@xaropevic7918]

Yep I quite liked at first watch as well, it had some memorable scenes early on and I was really excited for the questions/vague misteries and how they would explore next movies, as my experience with the other trillogies I liked the early movies and their build up for the end of trilogy was the best part, so I expected so would be the case for the new trilogy...little did I know

[@sleepy.games91]

I will always love The Force Awakens but this video had so much insight I hadn't even thought about

[@corruptangel6793]

Am I the only one who sees a middle finger when the Star Destroyer comes across the screen at the start of the film? I remember seeing it in theaters and my first thought being JJ flipping me (or George) off.

[@mikoto7693]

No, you weren’t. I saw it too, it actually set the tone for the entire trilogy.