The Brothers War COMPLETE History (Urza vs. Mishra) | Magic: The Gathering Lore

[@AetherHub]

If ONE more person makes fun of this thumbnail. SMH. But for real I won’t do anything but thank you for the critic and laugh along with you. ❤

[@phyrexian_dude4645]

Last times someone travelled back in time in MTG, a smuck dragon fan saved a dragon and a smuck golem saved his friend and made aware to the Phyrexians they had time travel tech. And if we talk about Teferi... it either ends with good results like the mending or disastrous results like Zhafir Isle.

[@AetherHub]

yes. if Phyrexians compleat teferi... boy howdy there will be some major problems.

[@garrettsmith4034]

@@AetherHub can def see it happen with Teferi being new big baddie after Phyrexia. I feel like Jace is in better positioning to fight Fight Tezz to the death with lily sac'ing herself to save Jace and finish her arc. Have Jace snap in response, absorb Urza's power stone eyes since he's literally urza's descendant (cunning castaway promo art) and have the power be enough to cleanse Phyrexia of the glistening oil as he blinks Tezzeret out of existence. Have the power corrupt Jace so Jace haters finally get their end Jace arc. Also, mox Opal phyrexian art feels like Elesh Norn is the one in the flavor text imo. Sorry for the rant. Love your content, man. I could listen to you lorethos all day fam.

[@Thoughtmage100]

@@garrettsmith4034 Unless WotC literally pulls a plot device out of their collective asses Jace will never be a descendant of Urza because Jace isn't Dominarian. I know Urza hopped to many planes but not once did they elaborate on anything other than his plans to destroy Phyrexia so if he took another lover at the time its never been heard of before. Now if Jace follows in Urza's footsteps so to speak then sure, I guess that technically could work but he's definitely not an artificer nor does he have a blood feud with a sibling so there will only ever be very loose parallels there. I'm also not sold on Liliana dying. Especially since Gideon gave his life to save hers. It just wouldn't sit right with me and I don't think I'm alone on that.

[@brushwagg7735]

@@Thoughtmage100 Literally every part of Vryn screams “Urza was here.” The whole plane is an Urzatron. It’s an artifact mana collection system.

[@Thoughtmage100]

@@brushwagg7735 And? Does that automatically mean Jace is genetically tied to Urza? Urza also did similar things on a multitude of other planes.

[@ChristopherG1990]

I can picture it now: Teferi: “Ah so that’s how you activated the Sylex. I must return to my proper timeline, farewell Urza” *Urza causally walks back with him to the future Teferi: MOTHERF**K**!

[@Motleydoll123]

that would be hilarious

[@Zauzzie]

Teferi: How did you get here?! Urza: "I walked here"

[@auraaetherbladesigma6939]

“Before Teferi messed it up.” Sounds about right. 😂

[@AetherHub]

It just had to be said - and I'm brave enough to say it!

[@auraaetherbladesigma6939]

@@AetherHub I don’t blame ya. Time is a fragile thing after all. 😅

[@TheyCallMeDio]

I can only imagine how pissed Karn would be if he finds out that Teferi messed with time (again)

[@ryukaze20]

I think it should be "Before Teferi MIGHT SOMEHOW mess it up" Can't wait to revisit this part of history...

[@BensonMTG]

This takes me back to 1999 when I got my first chunk of second hand mtg cards, among them being fourth edition prints of Mishra’s War Machine and Yotian Soldier. Thanks for adding all those Legends cards as visuals, job well done!

[@mrrbb2028]

It’s always a good time when you release a video. Taking off my mind while waiting till my son gets out of surgery.

[@AetherHub]

Good luck friend. Wishing nothing but the best for you and your family

[@AnimeProfilePicture]

Bro I felt that. My son is currently in the hospital overnight with mom while I watch the other kids. I've been watching these all day

[@mrrbb2028]

@@AnimeProfilePicture hey man I I hope everything’s gonna be OK and I wish you guys the best

[@AnimeProfilePicture]

@@mrrbb2028 thank you, everything went well, sucks how far we had to travel far to get help but we got it

[@pelusoft]

Though I became a Vorthos long after started to play Magic the Gathering, this story is the one I cherish the most. Even if brief, you covered all the important points in this video. I hope the story remains unchanged, as Teferi time travel is only to discover how to use the sylex, but I can imagine him trying to restore the Zhalfir lands that are still phased out. The thing is, the events of brother's war happened centuries before him being born, could he leave clues to his past self? I assume this time travel can't be done easily so I think he'll only be able to visit the period of time where the brother's takes place. Great work and thanks 👍🏼

[@AetherHub]

I really don’t think we will see massive changes. Because the retconning alone would be disastrous!

[@aceundead4750]

I cant wait to find out how, if at all, Teferi's spark is affected by traveling to before the Mending.

[@mapsgoonthewall5396]

Maybe the spark stays behind with the body?

[@allenridenour1826]

The rift between the brothers was so great, even the mending couldn't fix it

[@Metalcursine]

This was before my time at magic and I didn't know much about the lore involved back then. Really like this and your channel to keep me updated on the lore and experience the new releases with a lot more background to them.

[@OhDearGodPlsHireMe]

If you liked this, look into The Thran. The orgin of the phyrexian.

[@Nr4747]

Urza is still the most complex and fascinating character that Magic ever came up with. Someone who was always more interested in machines than fellow human beings, became much more than any human could ever hope to become, was forced to save humanity against machines and the machine god himself, Yawgmoth and was both: A seemingly unfeeling an uncaring utalitarian *and* someone constantly haunted by all of the terrible choices and sacrifices he had to make to defeat Phyrexia. Urza essentially was an antihero protagonist without any of the teenage edge and angst and simultaniously the least and most human character ever in the Magic universe. Truely masterfully written. I would love for him to still be alive and coming back into the story proper (which is very possible because the Urza that died could have very easily been a clone and Urza always planned 50 steps ahead with contingencies within contingencies), but I'm afraid how they might ruin his utalitarian philosophy.

[@michaelkerr2194]

I love that this war was just a series of misunderstandings that escalated so quickly.

[@RyanNerdyGamer]

You just described Every War Ever… 😅

[@michaelkerr2194]

@@RyanNerdyGamer not even almost. No wars in real life are over misunderstandings. They’re almost exclusively power grabs

[@yokoyokome5281]

nice thank you aether. I been learning alot about the lore of mtg. so yeah this is awesome

[@AetherHub]

Glad you enjoyed it - a nice recap before we change everything in the next set!

[@BurnDoubt]

They finally done it, they've come for the brothers War just like Star Trek and Star Wars and so many others.

[@ChristopherSmithNYC]

Great video!

[@dachivale5319]

Oh yeah Brothers war, still one of the best Mtg stories to date, though I would say the entire adventure of Gerard was pretty epic as wel.. Specially the whole part where Gerard had to fight Urza, due to Yawgmoth controlling them.. The old stories of MtG where legendary imo.. And that was no pun intended.. Another one of my favourites was Kamigawa, the story about Toshiro Umezawa pretty much.. :D

[@littlehorror1057]

Casual mtg player here. Never knew a good way to start on the lore. Got your video. Seems the best way lol

[@connortobin7398]

I’m more so curious as to the effects that being in the past has on tefiri. As he is a pre-mending planeswalker, what will happen with him traveling back in time. Will he be unchanged, or will his spark re-attain its pre-mending power? The only other planeswalker to have traveled to the pre-mending era was sarkhan who was born after the mending so his spark was probably still subjected to the same rules.

[@KrisPSouls9258]

That was a great story. Well told

[@AetherHub]

Thank you! really appreciate that and I'm glad you enjoyed the video.

[@jakehynes3273]

I really enjoyed this video. It's so nice to have some of that older and often more complex lore to be explained clearly! Thanks, Seiben!

[@AetherHub]

Yea the older stuff was just so much more fleshed out. Thanks for enjoying friend!

[@Hysube]

My wonderful fellow vorthos!!! What a pleasant surprise! Thank you love the brother's war...

[@heathenbreathinfire]

The JEff Grubb book on the Brothers War is still by far my fave of all Magic the GAthering novels. A close second (other than the subsequent books in that cycle) would be the Thran by J. Robert King...

[@TheMrYadrian]

5:50 it is a bit wrong here. The Might Stone granted Urza knowledge about machinery while Mishra received vision of how to assimilate metal into biological organism ( cyborga in sense).

[@TKTigerkat]

Excellent video. I hope what Teferi finds helps reverse the compleated planeswalkers and ends Phyrexia.

[@capcaptainmycaptain4771]

I hope he doesn't, MTG needs more consequences for the good side to keep the stakes high.

[@TKTigerkat]

@@capcaptainmycaptain4771 become evil off screen with lack of choice, stay evil for consequences? That's bad writing.

[@capcaptainmycaptain4771]

@@TKTigerkat Tamiyo did have a lore encounter where we see her captured and compleated. Ajani being compleated.... Maaaybe but I think it helps the whole "sleeper agent surprise“ if we don't see that.

[@TKTigerkat]

@@capcaptainmycaptain4771 for the individual story, yes. As an ongoing villain, not as much. His motivation is literally " I'm evil because i was programmed this way". Same with Tamiyo. Compared to villains such as Nico Bolas and his motivations or the Eldrazi and their nature, it makes for a lackluster villain. If they go that route, it just throws away otherwise great characters.

[@catbruvs7083]

This was the newest set that was out when I started playing. I’m in love with it. Me and my buddy both went to our locals and somehow he picked Urza and I picked Mishra.. Now we’re at the point where we both have the meld cards now.. it’s an awesome rivalry dude

[@catbruvs7083]

*Lost to Phyrexia*

[@MackAttack-vh1vz]

Love your videos my dude

[@AetherHub]

MY MaN

[@Donnyjohnsonbooks]

Mishra was our true hero, until he was pushed too far.

[@TheMagicHistorian]

Lord have mercy on the timeline, teferis bout to mess it all up

[@garrettsmith4034]

Return to us Yawgmoth, ignited. Give us our meatsac Planeswalker finally. They dropped the ball on Mishra not melding into a walker but I feel that confirms Yawg return. I want it. You want it. Dominaria wants it. Most importantly, Phyrexia demands it.

[@thenamedoesnotmatter]

Yawgmoth died still being jealous of planeswalkers. He never did get a spark, and only really became a threat because one planeswalker got powerstone shanked by Yawggy when they weren't paying attention. Yawgmoth can be a lot of things, but a Walker ain't one of them. He can be a giant cloud of gore, death, and decay trying to eat the world. Y'know before he got hit with the Skittles "Taste the Rainbow" and Gerrard sent out a final booty blast attack with his very soul.

[@garrettsmith4034]

@@thenamedoesnotmatter He became a god walker when he melded with Phyrexia. They're time traveling. You're crazy if you don't think he's returning. They just revived Mishra and yawgmoth for yawg's sake.

[@thenamedoesnotmatter]

@@garrettsmith4034 Yawggy ate dirt and will continue to eat dirt. Big corrupting corpse aside. He still wasn't on the tier of old walkers when he got blasted.

[@19chevelle72]

Really great vid! Thanks

[@p.zansei3280]

I don't think I know any if the channel members but I read the whole list. Smol price to pay for more quality Seiben Lore~

[@AetherHub]

I appreciate everyone who considered my content good enough to pay for. It really helps my channel a lot. But still I want the majority of it free for everyone

[@ThePaeppa]

I like how Urza, an objective asshole, is only a hero because his enemy is fucking Yawgmoth

[@dakotadoyle7573]

So the event that kicked off the Brother's War was just Urza's Father in Law getting a little war hungry

[@RedHerring86]

Thanks for the summary! You'll make a Vorthos out of this Spike if you keep going like that!

[@AetherHub]

That’s my goal. Or at least get players to think about the story while playing even just a little

[@johanandersson8252]

Would Sarkhan’s time travel had something to do with the timeline.

[@AetherHub]

They've said that time is sort of plane specific so I would imagine not.

[@joenic4662]

I couldn't help myself from saying, "Um, actually..." a bunch of times throughout this video.

[@HalasterBlackCloak-u2w]

This story is a very interesting take on technology.

[@drewhartl2755]

I wonder how Teferi traveling to a pre mending timeline will affect his powers? Would he experience the abilities of a pre mending walker? Or will he stay the same because of when his spark ignited?

[@SamundraDarion]

7:00 enter the Phyrexian Backtrack

[@feildpaint]

Where is the art from @ 14:50 ?

[@anlize3422]

Considering what we know (and by that I mean cards) we can venture a guess that at least until the last fight in Argoth the story will more or less be the same. Maybe a few details will change, but we know that Urza and Mishra will fight on the Island and shit will hit the fan. How it ends, however, we have yet to see. I don't think any thing of relevance will change though.

[@evansieber6172]

I'm still curious on how this is going to work. Teferri is now a post-mending planeswalker, going back to a time long before the Mending.

[@AetherHub]

Never thought about that. I wonder if his power too would return to its former strength.

[@mapsgoonthewall5396]

Won't his spark stay behind in his body?

[@raydelmartinez2905]

Awesome story

[@jesok3761]

This might be a little unrelated, but I'm quite curious how the brotherhood of gix came to be.

[@theace7493]

The next set from this timeline should include Serra's Realm so expect many mono white decks!

[@vegatablesoup6409]

Basically: The chad introvert Urza vs the virgin extrovert Mishra

[@msakiblab]

wait didn't Mishra c*ck Urza

[@The-Thran]

The Mightstone and the Weakstone the 2 halves of Great Thran Artificer Glacian personality trapped within the stone.

[@dwaynebrice1697]

Oh man thus is going to be dope

[@AetherHub]

Enjoy 😉

[@ELFudgeOreos]

Thank you so much!

[@ColMcWillis]

There's debate about whether the Spark of Urza was his own. The Might/Weakstone were halves of the powerstone imbeded in Glacien by Yawgmoth. Glacian was known to have an unignited spark which is why Dyfed expressed so much interest in him. Many people, myself included, believe that the Spark that Glacien carried was absorbed in the powerstone and that is what granted Urza his new found power of Planeswalking.

[@mapsgoonthewall5396]

I thought that it was well known that the spark was always glacian's?

[@ColMcWillis]

@@mapsgoonthewall5396 I don't think it's ever implicitly said anywhere but heavily suggested

[@Pepitobenito]

The Brothers War is, conceptually, some Song of Ice and Fire level shit. Imagine an HBO series based on it.

[@void.sawyer]

So is the dominaria remastered set going to have cards from any set as long as those cards are connected to dominaria in some way? Like would that include the Urza card from Modern Horizons?

[@tcsmagicbox]

If the writers are smart, they won't mess with the timeline. However, I do expect Teferi to learn about some lost knowledge or secret.

[@marcelphillip9720]

AR Arguvian Reckoning 2:12

[@deadlysock5875]

Definitely the first time I've ever heard Tocasia pronounced that way

[@ninjaman0003]

i just realized, it is kind of funny how the title of this video could be the brothers war (pre-brothers war), be totally accurate, and yet not explain anything with the title.

[@andrewdaniels8496]

Nice. "Complete" history

[@theace7493]

Imagine if Harvin were to become a planeswalker if he were to be Urza's son, or a phyrexian sleeper agent if he were the son of Mishra?

[@theace7493]

in later sets

[@D2RCR]

Great stuff, as always (although I think Yotia is pronounced “YO-sha”).

[@AetherHub]

Likely - Im famously bad at saying stuff.

[@D2RCR]

@@AetherHub no worries, the content is still top notch!

[@lvx720]

Lacking the legendary subtype

[@anthonydelfino6171]

I don’t subscribe to the multiverse theory of time travel. So anything that Teferi does in this set, he already did. So at must we might see how. Help nudge interactions between people to occur in a way correct to the way our history played out. He’s not going back to change things like Sarkhan did, only to observe.

[@mapsgoonthewall5396]

I think that's what you refer to as closed loop time travel.

[@krzyszwojciech]

I don't think this type of time travel fits to mtg. When Karn traveled back in time for the first time he's rewritten the events of the Phyrexian invasion on Tolaria. I think it's best to think of time as a growing block universe in MTG. There's a privileged moment in time, which is also everyone's designated place in time - in the present, the leading surface of the growing block. At least the way it worked in the past (I didn't follow stories for a decade now) was that if you traveled into the past, time would pull on you as if the current of a river. So while you could visit there and even change things, you couldn't stay there indefinitely. Eventually you'd get pulled back to the present moment, which was then already updated with whatever changes your influence may have introduced.

[@anthonydelfino6171]

@@krzyszwojciech The way time travel works, as best as I can tell, is you can go back and you can change things, but so far as we can say, it doesn't diverge and create a multiverse. Instead it just changes the reality of the future, though not always perfectly. The Tarkir story showed this where Sarkhan went back to the pat to keep Ugin from dying, which eliminated the Khans timeline replacing it instead with a Tarkir ruled by dragons. There is no existence now of a Tarkir still ruled by khans.

[@krzyszwojciech]

Yes! But it's incorrect to say that whatever Teferi does he already did it (as if time was eternalist and had preexisting loops in it). The changes are genuine and newly introduced at some point to the timeline, then the whole timeline updates. So it's best explained as coming from a privileged point in time, the leading surface in a growing block universe (the surface that extends the block). That guarantees the changes are someting newly introduced. Also, notice there was never a direct time travel to the future. Instead, there was phasing, where objects were removed from the present moment and from the timeline itself, without experiencing the passage of time, then entered back into it after the present moment itself reached that future time.

[@rwed13]

Anybody else excited about Brothe Swap?

[@coryclark8689]

didnt sarkn vol do the same thing with Ugin?

[@matthewjohnmoriarty]

just discovered your channel... fuck yeah you're awesome

[@mega2009man]

The first of its kind...? Dragons of Tarkir and Karn just shed a tear 😏 Best be ready for Teferi's record to catch up to him and he once again screws things up 🙄

[@goger282]

I read the books as kid. sadly never knew and never played the card game. But these books were one of the best fantasy novels i read. Only Drizzt's saga tops it!!

[@aklepatzky]

Whats the next video im supossed to watch in chron. Order?

[@Negative_NBG]

imagine fighting your sibling for a rock that does the opposite of the thing your rock does? pfft

[@mathewdebol923]

I guess I’m behind, but when did Teferi learn time travel? He never exhibited anything near that power level even when he was an old Walker …

[@AetherHub]

Really it wasn’t fleshed out. We will likely learn more in the story proper. But he used Urzas tower to enhance his power. As well as working with Saheli Rai

[@Sternenherz127]

I think Teferi will intruduce Phyrexia to Dominaria. Corrupting it and himself. Kicking off a truly horrific future where even Bolas will kiss this Plane goodbye. Unless ... ah well we shall see.

[@Case2_0]

YES! I DID IT!

[@AetherHub]

Welcome to the first club yet again my friend

[@TwistedTentacleInn]

The BROTHE SWAP!!!

[@andrewgroves6718]

just listoned to this book here on youtube look up audiobook of the brothers war

[@Seldomheardabout]

Why did urza not give his spark to seal his plane?

[@AetherHub]

Likely greed. He wasnt the best dude/

[@Seldomheardabout]

@@AetherHub From my old readings of brothers war I did not see him as greedy and "not the best dude". He was cold, but the things he did never seemed greedy. I have to read it again lol. Good stuff though mate.

[@pelusoft]

In one hand Urza vowed vengeance against phyrexia and wanted to eradicate them from the multiverse. In the other hand, even if he was a cold and logic person he tried to benefit the majority with his actions. In the end, he actually sacrificed himself.

[@andresmarrero8666]

@@Seldomheardabout I get the same sense on his character from this video. By the end of the war it seems that he was quite wise and he certainly isn't someone I would call greedy.

[@houndoom73]

How old were the brothers at the end of the war?

[@AetherHub]

They were in their mid 60s

[@pelusoft]

Near their 70's probably. Urza was born in the first day of the year, and Mishra in the last day of the same year. But years in dominaria have more days than ours (420 days)

[@makennymaxime9328]

I’m more concerned of the possibility that someone will ride Teferi Back. Also, what if this event was anticipated by Urza?! He did Sac all of TOLARIA for Teferi and his best friend after all….

[@AetherHub]

Oh the hitch hiking time threat is an interesting concept. One that would scare the shit out of me lol

[@makennymaxime9328]

@@AetherHub right! And there’s so many unknowns and unanswered questions. So it can be someone that we completely forgot about. Imagine if Urza in his obsession with Phyrexia decides to do it!

[@johnnyscifi]

I read the novel in my teens. Thank you for the trip down memory lane!! #vorthos4evs

[@jeremyfaella999]

Alrighty that's cool and all, now tell me what Optimus Prime has to do with all this

[@damienm3315]

The Brothel Swab?

[@Kickstand]

Thumbnail looks like The Brother Swap lol

[@xXBrokenToasterXx]

This story has huge dune vibes

[@andresmarrero8666]

I hope he doesn't arrive physically in the past bust as a formless, dispersed force whose entire purpose is to observe and learn as much as he can. Let the past be the past and the dead remain dead. Those events really shouldn't be messed with.

[@garrethatch5362]

The bro the swar

[@kw8295]

Mishra.... More like BISHRA!

[@LurkingVoltage]

When looking at Hajar, Loyal Bodyguard. Could it be that Mishra survived the blast, faked his death, replaced him missing parts with metal, and now walks around under the name... Tezzeret :O

[@slowlesaca8634]

BROTHE SWAB

[@crusadercollectibles6233]

MORE MARIT LAGE. Marit Lage… MARIT LAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

[@Rayrockgaming]

Why is there transformers tho ?

[@davidlawrence4018]

Brother Swap

[@blt1ger131]

Sooo basically Urza is MTGs version of Thanos gathering stones for power, absorbing them then becoming a planeswalker in the process? interesting lol

[@djangobouret3590]

Yes

[@sunnybeach4025]

Brothel swap? Anyone else see that? Lol

[@MrSirbra]

Teferi become compleated

[@allandill2033]

Brothe swap? What's that? Lol!

[@n.henzler50]

Me trying to read the thumbnail: "what the hell is a 'brothel swap' and why is it allowed on KZbin?"

[@RegimentJoker]

I think its cool that Teferi went back in time to rewrite history. That's symbolic of the times. White history as is has to be rewritten and revised to suit modern woke, "diverse", times. It's 100% accurate to wokeness. Seethe

[@sammyiel9626]

Every other sentence he enunciated way too much. Dramatic like if he's telling us news. Just chill and talk normally

[@combobreaker449]

Mishra did nothing wrong