The C/C or O/C method And why you have to learn it to build like a pro

[@caribbeanbound8357]

Built a 12x12 lil cabin with sleeping attic in the forest up north in Michigan. It all went together perfect using similar 16" On-Center design. I cut all the wood and took it up and built it. My family wondered how I knew it would all fit together. I designed it in CAD and as long as I cut my dimensions correct, there's nothing that can go wrong. It's actually the pic in my profile on here

[@mindsparx1]

Yes that´s the beauty of knowing these kind of tricks. I did the same thing with an entire small house and it fitted like a puzzle. your cabin would fit my house perfectly :)

[@k1zmt]

What kind of CAD did you use?

[@caribbeanbound8357]

@@k1zmt I did it on Catia v5. There are actual cad packages that are better for house layout design

[@k1zmt]

@@caribbeanbound8357 I’m on Mac and I tried a few options but I found them either lacking in features or quality.

[@caribbeanbound8357]

@@k1zmt I have never tried a card program in a Mac. They have all been unix or windows based. It seems that Autodesk should have something you could use. Or there are lots of free cad programs I hear people talk about these days that may work

[@lifeupnorth9385]

In the US we call it OC (On Center), so for example 16 OC or 24 OC are the two most common.

[@mindsparx1]

Thank you, yes i have learned that now and that's probably the reason i couldn't find any information about in the US

[@FirstLastOne]

Don't forget some also use 19.2" OC and you'll find most tape measures have that 19.2" OC marked with a black diamond the same way that 16" OC is marked. For those outside of North America, the 4' x 8' sheet of wood or drywall is the base standard by which EVERYTHING is built around including the PICKUP TRUCK. If you buy a work truck with a kingcab and the baby bed, don't take it to work unless you want a constant ribbing about your grocery getter truck that can't fit 4' by 8' sheets in the bed. 😅

[@guatf1]

​@@FirstLastOnehow about you buy a European van and a flatbed trailer, so you can keep your tools relative safe and dry can bring a lot of stuff with you and if you need to bring sheet material or anything else you put it on your trailer. I love how the pickups look but they are so un practical

[@connorwildeman3048]

@@guatf1 My dad has the same thought process, and as much as I respect it, I'll say this. If you're a contractor, and you're getting a trailer anyway, better to get a covered box trailer for your tools, that way you can use your truck for other applications at a moments notice. this basically is just the inverse of the van argument, and I firmly believe trucks are worth it if you're (like many North Americans) using your vehicle for other applications such as heavy hauling, farm work, off-roading or want the crew cab, which many panel vans don't have if their used for shelving, tools etc. IF however, you are in a city, or saturated municipality, the van is most likely the way to go. Out here in Canada, that doesn't apply to a lot of us.

[@guatf1]

@@connorwildeman3048 never ruled the covered box trailers out 😉 the point I tried to make was about the unpracticality of a pick up

[@petter5721]

UK are Moving towards the metric system, inch by inch inch 😀

[@stephaneotvas]

Hi, I discovered your channel yesterday and have watched all your videos already! I'm in awe with professionals like you who not only have gold in their hands due to tons of experience but also have that ability to share technical knowledge it in a very simple way so that lay people like myself can understand it, want to learn more and even do it ourselves! Thank you very much these brillant video/tutorials...👍👍

[@mindsparx1]

Thanks, I'm completely uneducated, my skills come from the previous generation. They taught me the hard way. We should listen to them, they know more than us even if we think we are the best

[@stephaneotvas]

I totally agree! I came across that attitude in other fields as well dealing with different type of professionals. And I'm no genius! Sometimes, it's just a matter of common sense and humility... I live in the Canary islands and want to start a small resort of wooden houses that integrate in the local rural landscape. So I will keep watching all your videos with a lot of attention because it is really hard to find reliable carpenters, contractors, etc, here. I am sure your advice/knowledge (like the cc method) will help me a lot! Thank again!

[@larryspiller6633]

@@mindsparx1 Loved all of your work. Excellent videos too.

[@Nachiel]

Great video and great coclusion. In Mother Russia for example: - cc for studs - 64 cm - insulation 1200х600 - drywall (plasterboard) 1200x2400 - osb 2440x1220 And nobody cares. Why? Because!Cut, cut, cut. Throw out money and time.

[@bobs12andahalf2]

Ha! I was about to write the same thing.

[@stephenlehr6020]

In the US we also have 19.2" o.c., it is most commonly used with "engineered" joists (the wood I-joists and prefab wood truss floor joists). Yep, 19.2", not 19-3/16" or 19-1/4"......19.2". On a US tape measure it is marked as the little diamond shape after the 19" mark, just before 38-1/2", just after 57-1/2", just after 76-3/4" and then at 96" (8 feet, as that is the standard length of plywood and OSB). So it breaks the sheathing spacing up for 5 supports where 16" o.c. has 6 supports and 24" o.c. has 4 supports, all this is for an 8 feet panel. Just information in case you have ever wondered what the little diamond is for on a US tape measure.

[@caribbeanbound8357]

I never heard of 19.2" oc. Is this newer so that less wood can be used? I wonder if all codes accept this? I'm used to seeing 16 and 24

[@TheMavosa]

@@caribbeanbound8357 read his comment and you will discover your answer

[@caribbeanbound8357]

@@TheMavosa did he say somewhere if it is a newer thing or not?

[@REVerbtalk]

@@caribbeanbound8357 Ive heard of 19.2 OC bur it's always been 16oc... HOWEVER, the diamonds do save costs as we see it as 19 3/16, it's 19.2 decimal. Mainly used for i beams, floor joints, rafters but for the most part at least around here, we still use 16oc. Simply for the structure purposes. I don't care about saving one rafter, I rather have another than one less lol. But mainly floor joist but even here we tell our clients that we will still run 16 for structural and strength purposes.

[@nonyadamnbusiness9887]

@@caribbeanbound8357 I've seen floors from the 1950s or 60s framed 19.2" oc. They were tongue and groove pine nailed directly to the joists.

[@NativeLanguage02]

Very informative channel, thank you. Plus 1 like for using Sketch-up in explaining the subject.

[@roguethinker6284]

Thank you so much for the videos you have made. Very interesting and I learn lots

[@thedude7319]

how has this guy not gotten more views

[@yvesderival634]

Because most people are more interested in gossip than learning.

[@guyina4x499]

I think maybe because he's using a computer generated voice over in most of his videos. My first thought was this channel was some kind of bogus. I'm glad i stuck around and figured out the guy doesn't speak English.

[@margaretbear]

I think some of it is because he just started his channel a little over a year ago - it takes a while. Once he gets to 50,000 he'll probably take off.

[@ToolTime_GER]

Hey Ich schau deine Videos immer gern, ich finde es sehr interessant wie du verschiedene Bau Stiele mischt und das beste für deine Projekte raus nimmst. Wir können hoffentlich auch bald unsere Halle selber bauen 🤙

[@oldschoolpatriot3236]

That on-center measuring system you speak of is the only way anything gets built in the US , there is no other way ( at least with our codes in the US. In Cali walls are 16oc and floor and ceiling joists are 24

[@FirstLastOne]

It was on this day, 11 January 2023 that I finally figured out why IKEA made the BESTÅ storage system based on 60cm wide cabinets. Only been using them since the early 2000's but some odd 20 years later, that nagging question as to why 60cm finally makes sense. 😊

[@mindsparx1]

haha

[@kanyoninja2720]

Bästa för nybörjare, fortsätta komma med de här filmerna.

[@davisbindejazz]

Thank you very much!

[@maius556marius4]

Good job !

[@billmartin3198]

To me, all this "CC" business is similar to the ability to read a tape measure... It's something I have always taken for granted without ever giving it much thought. It wasn't until watching this that I considered the possibility that not everyone thinks this way.

[@bobs12andahalf2]

This was news to me because there's no such standardisation of materials where I live. Insulation batts are 60 cm wide and plasterboard is 120. Yay.

[@tonytbone2202]

Top Notch. Well Explained. Much Appreciated

[@bobbydelcavallo7181]

Absolutely Brilliant 🥳🥳🥳

[@AC-nt5bz]

I enjoy watching your videos. I noticed something that was a bit confusing for me in the video at time = 4:26. You are showing 60cms and 16''. 60 / 2.54 (1inch)= 23.62 inches not 16 inches. It looks like your studs are at 16'' on centre or 40.64cm. But your insulation width at 55.5 cms so you are spacing your studs at 60Cms?? or 23.6 or 24 on centre. Does the ''Hammer board' pass for snow loads? I have only seen this in Europe not yet in Canada I wonder if inspectors would allow. Should because it looks stronger. Thanks

[@mRowden100]

Here in the UK, we have a mix of imperial meaurements and metric. So you can buy timber at 2.4m, 3.0m long etc, but a sheet of mdf, plywood, or OSB might be 2.4m or 2.44m which is 8ft. Very annoying!

[@mindsparx1]

It sounds confusing. When I started as a carpenter about 25 years ago, we quoted almost everything in inches but they were in metric and not exact inches, so for example we said 4 inch nails but they were 90mm or 2-by-4 which was 45x90mm, that is very strange we built long before we migrated to the states, must have been a trend of some kind :)

[@andrewcarr2431]

when i moved to Canada (from the UK) we still use Imperial for building materials but metric for everything else, you ask for a 38mm by 89mm stud they look at you as if you just stepped out of a UFO....and some items you ask for the nominal dimension even though it measures actual dimensions or vice-versa. Petrol/Gasoline is in litres but paint is in gallons...

[@mindsparx1]

@@andrewcarr2431 confusing

[@thomasschafer7268]

Osb Sterling in germany 2.5,2.65,2.80,3.0m.😅

[@DjSharperimage]

I think this is called "16 On Center". Great video, especially the part about the windows.

[@robertmeadows1657]

In the U.S., when we buy longer length lumber, it is always appropriately 1/2” longer than labeled. If we need a sixteen-footer, for example, we need to cut it to exactly that on site. Is that also the case in Sweden? Do your longer boards come precise to the mm?

[@mindsparx1]

Wood is a big business over here and the competition is fierce so the wood is extremely good and cut exactly to the millimeter :)

[@padraigdennehy3232]

and the sheeting has the measurement on the end grain. like in Norway?

[@hugochuma]

gracias, y una pregunta, ¿Tendrás un video de construcción de casa , vivienda familiar de tres plantas , o tres niveles ?

[@jrh86]

Hi can you advise on where i can obtain ready made plans to build a home?

[@AM1015-]

I didnt see any king or jack studs that would transfer the weight around the window opening down to the sill plate on your CAD design

[@mindsparx1]

The hammer band act like that but i will also add more reinforcements around all windows and door before i insulate.

[@eugenetougas7868]

Great videophone you from the not so United states!

[@dinamiteurdinamiteur2324]

Thats nice to jnow. Sad france don't have this

[@dOOmsterdam]

what are the dimensions of the studs you are using?

[@rubendddd]

I'm wondering the same thing! My guess is 38x235

[@ApocalypseLounge]

What is the purpose of the “Hammer Band” and do we call it something else in the states, or do we just use a double top plate instead?

[@mindsparx1]

You usually do the double plate method.

[@ApocalypseLounge]

@@mindsparx1 Thanks! 👍

[@robertmeadows1657]

It appears to serve a dual purpose, standing in for the double plate as well as door and window headers.

[@ekeneofunne6428]

As an architect in Nigeria you are trained to use standards measurements like 300mm, 600mm, 1200mm, 2400mm etc

[@landonmaurer2453]

isnt it against code to use screws to frame wood studs? was always told to use nails as they don't shear under cross load while screws will

[@mindsparx1]

Not anymore, the screws are even harder than nails even under shear loads, but it has to be construction screws, not ordinary ones.

[@ShadowMoonFarms]

Thank you

[@mindseyeproductions8798]

I like random framing layout; when it is finished people always ask how long will it stand? and also ask if I know what I am doing? It's important to keep 'em guessing.

[@mindsparx1]

This is far from random, we have built houses like this for 100ds of years.

[@mindseyeproductions8798]

@@mindsparx1 I’m clowning my friend; people need to laugh and smile more often, the world is too serious lately.

[@benreber2277]

This is good if you plan far enough in advance. I screwed myself because I didn’t want to cut studs down and so I made my walls 8’ tall but forgot too and bottom plate made it 8’3” so my siding sheet metal was 8’ making it 3” short so I cheaper out and just put flashing on the bottom drip edge to cover the bad planning. That’s why I practiced with a large shed so now I can build a mini home and not make as many mistakes. I’m used to engineers giving me plans and I build it. The only design I do is drawings that don’t get built so I’m working on the engineer side of things but there is a lot that goes into making a house perfect for builders and homeowner and functions properly.

[@jaanoras716]

but wth is going on with OSB, atleast here in Estonia it is 2500*1250mm

[@TheSkyballah]

Thank you from AMERICUH!!!

[@beeplove-channel]

What software did you use to design the house?

[@mindsparx1]

Hi, i use Sketshup..

[@adamwallace8082]

Why are you not using headers for your doors and windows?

[@mindsparx1]

We use so called Hammer band instead.

[@Pseudify]

Does anyone know if hammer band is allowed in the US? And what dimensions are typical?

[@drewhutchings6394]

Your floor is on cc60, what thickness is your subfloor ?

[@mindsparx1]

its 28mm + 14mm later.

[@adrianionescu9180]

google says that 16 inch is 40cm, and not 60cm as was specified at 4:25

[@mindsparx1]

great find.. didn't see it until now, I'll re-upload all the videos with my own voice so I'll change it then.

[@contessa.adella]

Well, yes, we kinda realise this empirically. If you buy tng flooring for example it is 600mm wide, you’d have to be mad or very stubborn to make joists not be on 600 mm centres right…imagine all the cutting and supporting floating board ends….So yeah, the CtoC and building to fit the materials is kinda a given, rather than some moment of divine revelation.

[@LewisEGilbert]

perhaps a naive question: do your studs come precut for the hammer band? or is that an on-site task?

[@mindsparx1]

I make than on site, but it goes really quick, maybe 30 sec for each stud.

[@budmanzoom4441]

For new Building Codes this method (C/C) does not always work. For instance, Roof sheathing installs, sub floors, etc calls for an 1/8" gap between sheets to allow for thermal expansion and to prevent squeaking. If you're doing a 40ft long roof this adds up to a lot and you have to trim all your 48x96 sheets. The new Code makes sense but manufactures need to update their sheet sizing.

[@peterpoproc3757]

In EU OSB boards are 2,5m x 0,625 m or 2,5m x 1,25m and plaster boards are 2,0m x 1,2m.

[@mindsparx1]

Sounds like German measures, we have it a bit different here in Scandinavia.

[@kahwigulum]

i dont get how you make the measurement though. are you measuring to the center of the board or to the edge of the next board?

[@bwilkins]

He's measuring from the same side of each board. If his first stud is on the right, he measures from the right side of it 60 cm and makes a mark. The next stud has its right side placed on the line. If he shifts his tape measure over 1/2 of the stud thickness, his tape will read 60 cm center to center.

[@andrewcarr2431]

once you realise that the construction industry sells what one could call "lego" is makes things must easier. While older houses were custom built by skilled carpenters, using rough sawn lumber, notched, mitered and chiseled to fit. modern houses are essentially assembled. by knowing the basic rules and measurements a handy person can perform basic carpentry tasks.

[@mindsparx1]

Agree, it's mostly for sheet material.

[@MrDenisJoshua]

Is so nice to calculate this CC at 600mm... but we have (Italy,Germany,Romania) the plasterboard (OSB for example) that have 2500/H1250 so this theory is not work (sad) Thanks for the video

[@mindsparx1]

I heard that, but you can divide 1250 in two and use that as a CC standard

[@petertrnovsek9876]

Hello, what program do you use for sketching? thank you

[@mindsparx1]

I use Google Sketchup

[@leonsletterbox2013]

Hope you've check the width of your sheeting first

[@mindsparx1]

We have fixed widths of our sheeting material, so for us its easy.

[@Deiphobuzz]

Weird how sheets are 122cmx244 here..

[@dabj9546]

In Germany everything is 62.5 cm

[@mindsparx1]

Really, that's new to me, so you do C/C 62.5?

[@dabj9546]

@@mindsparx1 Yep, and sheets are usually 125 cm. Also all bricks are based around multiples of 12.5 cm in both width and height. It first seems like a mess of random numbers but it all adds up very nicely.

[@mindsparx1]

Amazing, i learn so much trough this channel :)

[@dabj9546]

@@mindsparx1 I also learn a lot through your channel, I'm gonna subscribe and look forward to new content. I'm a carpenter in Germany and it's always a good idea to see how other people around the world do it.

[@miko007]

@@mindsparx1 too be fair, we do not really build timber framed houses that much ^^

[@marcuscicero9587]

no nail guns in the 70's. not for framing or roofing. used 28 oz. Plumb rigging axes. set the 16 or 8 sinker, one lick, in. drew the framing together. nail guns don't draw stud wall components together. need the wallop of a framing hammer. years later I punked out and bought a Paslode to nail roof and wall sheathing

[@marcuscicero9587]

and my prick German boss would have our nutsacks if he saw one miss. clean framing. God bless you Bob Artzer wherever you are

[@hunkenpunken]

CC means... the distance between CENTER-CENTER

[@ufodude1000]

looks like and instant head begoner

[@shephusted2714]

you can build any way you want - this build is not ideal by any stretch

[@mindsparx1]

Sure... Tell me why it's not and i will tell you why it is. Funny how a guy in 2022 has to defend 100s of years of Swedish house building.

[@andrewcarr2431]

it past inspection! lets just say other places do it differently....

[@denniscollins2347]

captain obvious

[@thomasschafer7268]

Sorry. Never like a pro. Osb outside. No insulation. And nothing about Constructionphysics. Venting. Diffundation.😅😅😅👎👎👎🇩🇪

[@campermfg]

Hej, har du nå instagram o följa? Mvh Nate

[@mindsparx1]

Näe, är riktigt dålig på sociala medier, men det är ingen dum ide, kan vara kul att dokumentera med bilder med, kan man posta videon där?