THE CABINET FROM HELL - Randall Jaguar Speakers - Dimebag Tone

[@ordohereticus3427]

There’s a view among gear heads that the Jaguar speakers have this tendency to make anything, tube amp and otherwise, sound rather solid state-ish. Some people say that pejoratively while others see it as a great benefit and equaliser. Even one of Ola Englund’s blind tests had him truly stumped when the Randall Jaguar cabinet was introduced with a Revv Generator. Ola was convinced that it was a modeller and kept wondering where the “sizzle” went. Once the blindfold was removed, he immediately concluded that it was the cabinet that threw him off as the Jaguar loaded cabinets have a very unique affect on the sound of most amps.

[@GodFlame666]

I run a 1980s Randall RC235 stereo chorus with 2×10 Jaguars and it definitely sounds like Dime.

[@Durkhead]

The 5150 sounded more like pantera than the pedal board

[@KeatonSilverBeats]

It did lol

[@fierceheart66]

I actually built a 4x10 with Randall Jaguar 10” speakers !! Used birch plywood. Sounds killer !!!

[@EricMorettin]

@@fierceheart66 sick! Would love to hear it

[@MichaelDespairs]

I used to work for Randall in the early 2000's and I'm guessing the speakers were made by Eminence. I know early Randall was trying to cop Marshall's tone so I think G12T75 or Greenbacks might be a better substitute but if you want Dime's tone you need Jaguars. I personally think Vintage 30's are the most consistent way to get studio-worthy tone. Doug Smith was the head of Randall at that time and alluded to the JCM800 2210 model being the inspiration for the early Randall heads.

[@EricMorettin]

Thanks for the insight! Yes I believe the Randall speakers were made by eminence, since the jags sound very close to the eminence legends. V30s can be great depending how broken in they are and what cab/grille cloth etc. But they're an industry standard for a reason. Very cool to know that early Randalls were based off JCM 800s, as I've heard that through reading forums and looking at schematics. Your insight is greatly appreciated!!

[@bradyfritz480]

Hi Eric! A bit of a silly question, but which Eminence Legends are you referring to?

[@EricMorettin]

@@bradyfritz480 V12

[@bradyfritz480]

@@EricMorettin thank you! I’m guessing the v128 eminence legends are the most accuarate that are still being made?

[@EricMorettin]

@@bradyfritz480 yes! I believe mine are 16 ohm so they'll have a different model number than 128

[@everscootsmydude5716]

can you make an ir of those?

[@EricMorettin]

I will try to!

[@legaloutlaw777]

​@@EricMorettin Please do that bro, I'd kill for a good ir of a Jaguar speaker.

[@dimebagriffs]

@@legaloutlaw777buy some res80’s

[@MetalAzza]

Ola englund has an it pack of this cab in his store

[@jackbootshamangaming4541]

There is one. Audio assault/Seacow. They released a full Jaguar IR bundle. They have their 3 IR packs for 10 bucks sale right now. it's even got a special mixed lead and rhythm IR, along with like 4/5 different speakers captured, along with 10+ mics. @@legaloutlaw777

[@brandonjackson5865]

Damn dude the Iconic sounded incredible with that Randall cab and Jaguars. Shame they didn’t launch the Iconic with better pairing of speakers because it seems like it comes alive with anything other than the iconic cabs .

[@EricMorettin]

Thanks! Fortunately these heads sound great with the standard EVH 5150 cabinet

[@jeremythornton433]

Since speakers are where the sound comes from, the kind of speaker should mostly create the tone. It just makes sense.

[@EricMorettin]

Agreed

[@gregnieman5760]

Excellent video, very informative. You nailed it, speakers are definitely the biggest part of tone. Keep it up 🤘

[@EricMorettin]

Thanks for the kind words! Much appreciated

[@fat_ninja_status]

9-volt battery and a speaker cable goes a long way for quickly checking speakers on site also.

[@savoirfaire8979]

Even better: Connect the speaker cable and use a speaker tester with clip on leads. Easier and faster. Testers are cheap on Amazon these days.

[@adamcain8874]

How do you post videos that I am looking for the same day bro 😭 thank you!!

[@EricMorettin]

You're welcome!

[@Mr.Goldbar]

What would you say is the closest sounding modern speaker to the Jaguar? Sounds really scooped compared to the V30 so I'm curious how a Greenback or a T75 will sound compared to it back to back

[@EricMorettin]

Eminence Legend V12 IMO

[@travisschuster4676]

@@EricMorettinwhich of the eminence legends speakers is the real question? I had the 1258 at one time.

[@EricMorettin]

@@travisschuster4676 I'm going to double check the legends that I've used, because they may have been either the V12 or 1258. I used to have a Vader cab and that ripped with the legends as well.

[@travisschuster4676]

@@EricMorettinlooking over the frequency graphs would probably a good start. At eminence and I guess if you can find the jaguar graphs that would solve a lot of the mystery.

[@EricMorettin]

@@travisschuster4676 cabinet, construction, grille material, and speaker impedance (believe it or not) all affect the sound as well. From what I recall the speaker graphs between the Jags and Legends are similar

[@jackbootshamangaming4541]

The audio assault IR pack of this cab is great. I love using it

[@EricMorettin]

I'll check it out!

[@aidab7258]

holy crap!! the tone is. spot on!

[@EricMorettin]

Thanks! The speaker does a good amount of the work

[@zakn3954]

Based on pictures people post of these Jaguar speakers online, there are 2 manufacturers based on the code on the driver. One is Credence the other is Eminence. I don't know if the difference is date of supply or the particular model of Jaguar speaker, but I would be interested to know if anyone else knows more than I do here.

[@caduborges5198]

Hey, dude, excellent vid! So, you mentioned the Eminence Legend as a close comparison to the Jaguar. But which Legend model exactly you tried? There are 9 different types! Thanks for the heads up!

[@EricMorettin]

@@caduborges5198 Hey I have the V12s and they're very similar imo

[@aidab7258]

just bought a 2X12 for $385....pricey, but I couldnt resist. 412 carpet cab. super excited.

[@jonsierra723]

Just bought some string source strings and a pick. Dig the whole build your own set

[@EricMorettin]

Glad to hear! They're my go to for many reasons

[@SalamiSnak5150]

I think the closest speaker to Jaguars today is (spec-wise) the Legend 1275s (75w, 8 ohms, 1,5" vcd with kapton former, paper cone, wide zurette dust cap, 8 ribs, only differences being the sensitivity which is 102 db and the resonance which is 58 hz on the jaguars). Tho they are outta production they are much easier to find on eBay than Jaguars anywhere, not sure if they sound anything like eachother tho.

[@EricMorettin]

Thanks for the detailed input here!!

[@SalamiSnak5150]

@@EricMorettin But I think that the reason that Jaguars sound the way they do is cuz of their very deep resonance which is kinda low for a guitar speaker since most guitar speakers are in the 75-110 hz range. I read somewhere that the lower the resonance of a speaker the more it adds to the bass and eats out the higher mids (which is probably why Jaguars "don't have a real presence" as Ola once said). I checked on loudspeaker database and i found a 15 inch guitar speaker (Eminence PF-400) that is also out of production and it has the same resonance and SPL as a Jaguar. Planning on testing em out at some point.

[@troyskinnard1393]

I have an older Randall 2x12 with RES-80 jags and a Randall XL 4x12 cab with English V30’s. My older 2x12 completely blows the XL away

[@EricMorettin]

These jaguar speakers are something else. Really great speakers!

[@braaijmakers]

if you want without a cab try the Ola Englunds Jaquar Ir's

[@EricMorettin]

Ill check them out!

[@braaijmakers]

@@EricMorettin Attila Voros is using his ir for his Pantera rig

[@A-TeamRacing]

Great video, what do you know about the rx412 cab that comes with the jags? I've heard from alotta guys that they sound terrible and that the newer jags aren't what they used to be.

[@EricMorettin]

I don't have experience with those cabs or the newest jag speakers, so I can't really comment on that.

[@ArtForm77]

Hello Eric! What did Grady tell you, did RES-80 or RES-100 use Dime?

[@ryanday9288]

80

[@wizardito7741]

The speaker??? The thing that moves air and make noise??? The one thing every guitarist don't care about because isn't shinny and we can't see em behind the black cloth??? THE ONE THING THAT EQs EVERY??? YOUR GUITAR, PEDALS, PREAMP, FX LOOPS, POWER AMP AND WHERE THE MICS ARE PLACED FOR RECORDING??? No way, it must be a huge surprise.

[@brandonjackson5865]

Yeah speakers aren’t sexy but they are the business end of your rig . Everyone will ask you about pickups,strings,picks , pedals, when you’re last BM was but never what speakers are in your rig ?

[@J4ck_1151]

is the 500XL the same as the L500XL

[@EricMorettin]

Yes

[@J4ck_1151]

I forgot to ask this too is the Randall with Jaguar speakers closed back

[@EricMorettin]

@@J4ck_1151 yes it's closed back front loaded

[@dimebagriffs]

Eminence made the jaguars. They were a custom order from Randall. They all sport the 67 mfr code, which means eminence.

[@EricMorettin]

This is awesome. Thanks!

[@mauriceguiheen7181]

I have celestians and I think that the jaguar speakers sound as good if not better in their own right

[@gabrieltaylor6196]

Why has no one ever figured this out before???

[@EricMorettin]

🤷‍♂️

[@trixdropd]

White like my 2x12's