The Cancelled Classic Dungeon

[@Killerstorm5280]

Sigh.. Hayven.. rip man. Thank you for linking his video. Awesome video as usual.

[@tehjamerz]

RIP

[@MajkyTheButcher]

Hayven will stay missed. rip

[@Queen2A5]

The fact he is still talked about and linked to really shows how important he was/still is to the community. He really was something else

[@koli5586]

Hayvenn still should have showed up as an NPC in bastion. a heroes light never dies.

[@CaptainBloodsail]

Ikr? Insulting they didn't honor our fellow palidan

[@DIEGhostfish]

I mean I'd hope for something in a better place.

[@tehjamerz]

Sadly, the blizzard that built such monuments is also dead

[@StrikerZero6]

It's a shame hayven passed away from cancer, it was heartbreaking when I found out...

[@rurounigato]

We miss Hayven, but with any luck, he log into the big WoW server above, and we will log there eventually, share a beer, grab our gear and go questing and raiding together

[@charizaro2]

RIP Hayven, thank you for sharing his video. This was always one of my favorites, like the Black Morass always felt much older than Burning Crusade to me, and finding out a version of it was in the files since Vanilla just made sense.

[@francoc.8567]

Amazing video as always! I know no one can replace Hayven but man, you are the only other channel who makes videos that dive as deep and have as amazing footage as Hayven!

[@gioelecarratelli4593]

Agreed, feels homely to be on this channel

[@moosegoose3159]

I heard somewhere that Jaedenar (whatever that complex is in Felwood is called) was supposed to be a dungeon, hence why the cave system is so needlessly big.

[@General12th]

There's an old picture of a ton of ideas Blizzard had back in 2001 about what endgame content was supposed to look like. I think Jaedenar is one of the dungeons, but there's a ton of others.

[@VelvetSkyye]

There is a Furbolg raid that was supposed to be in vanilla near felwood and mount hyjal. That's what this was.

[@kyleellis1825]

@@VelvetSkyye The barrowden entrance is in Azshara.

[@mcdick1621]

either way its not needlesly big. just how it should be

[@idkdontask7142]

Tbh this channel is everything I wanted from a wow channel when I was younger and I'm so glad I found it. I remember watching "top 10 cut content from wow" types of videos or Hayven Games and thought it would be nice if there were videos that go into more detail. Thanks for making a channel which is literally that

[@TurbotarzanWoW]

Thanks a lot! Im happy to see people like this part of the games history as much as i do

[@naterbertue9273]

if you have a Wotlk Database, you can go into the database table "instances" and add a row yes add a row and enter the instance ID. You'll have to research the instance ID because i don't remember this exact id off the top of my head. this dungeon was left out of the database tables and is almost lost to time. very few people even know that this dungeon existed. it is all of the scarlet monastery instances into 1 super dungeon. Inside of almost every instance if you go out of bounds it is basically the outside zone, or nothingness. deadmines has "old deadmines" and the Strand of the ancients BG out of bounds has an entire city underwater with a waterfall :P great video! super fun topic!!!

[@michaelmoran2125]

They're going to use that dungeon for the scarlet raid.

[@zdubzz1280]

@@michaelmoran2125 they’re sayings it’s sunken temple 😭

[@TimFrischIsHere]

What do you mean add a row?

[@naterbertue9273]

Insert a table, so if there is say 99 instance ID's ascending from 1-99 add a new row into the instance database and make its ID of the correct ID, it was removed out of the database and forgotten, so if you can find that old instance ID and add that instance into the database it will now be accessible which it was not before, some type of developer instance, all of its information is stored in the DBC, so the files are already in the patches, just need to add the instance ID to the DB@@TimFrischIsHere

[@lenkradborke7226]

There will be no scarlet raid, since it got released as a dungeon

[@Aeielon]

I never knew chromie was such a long-standing fixture in the game Awesome video

[@lunayoshi]

I remember trying to get to 60 in Western Plaguelands back in later Vanilla only to find a female gnome in one of the houses. I was like... "you're a dragon? Psht, no you're not." And left her quest untouched, haha. I hadn't caught onto the Katrina Prestor reveal then. I just heard her Stormwind /yell now and again and wondered what it was.

[@Dremag_Gaming]

Wow. Hayven Games. I remember chatting a little with him before. Nice guy. Still miss 'em. Also I still use the Eagle Eye chain macro to look around more places you cant normally get into. (one example is the Emerald Dream of dragonflight in which you can see one of the biggest areas Blizzard copied, namely the whole island) and added Dream elements to it.) But if you tried to fly in there to the areas, you'll get "ported" away via a dream spell.

[@Jediwarlock]

Super cool! Did not know about this expanded version of the dungeon! :o

[@AnnieBee43]

Fantastic video dude! Love seeing small creators randomly blow up on the algorithm, especially something as niche as wow archival stuff.

[@Boxeri]

Great video and big love from Finland! Keep them coming my dude! =)

[@TurbotarzanWoW]

Thank you! There will be more :)

[@RiddleOfLightning]

turtle wow, the private server, put back the caverns of time dungeon

[@sirflimflam]

man this video makes me so nostalgic... Back before BC launched I managed to get a private server running for wow and my friend, girlfriend and I would wander around all the various map instances not normally accessible, and I remember stumbling across the old caverns of time map. We were in freaking awe at that map.

[@josejuanandrade4439]

RIP HAYVEN GAMES. Also, tbh, is not fair to call these cancelled... more like, posposed. They got releazed in the end, just with some tweaks of course. I can imagine the devs were not happy with the initial idea for those 2 dungeons. To be fair, all of them can be a bit... is hard to put into words... but maybe they arent the favorite of everyone... Black Moras, just like Hyjal Summit raid, suffer from the wave-attacks design. I don't think anoyne realy favors those 2. Old Hilldsbrad is a gigantic escort quest... but the old South Shore is amazing to visit for the lore and to see such amazing characters such as Alexandros Mograine and Kel'Thuzad. Culling of Stratholme style is also a bit boring, with the initial round of groups spawning around the city. But the 2nd part is great imo. The Cata ones seem to have been much better designed. I personaly fucking love Well of Eternity!

[@TurbotarzanWoW]

I personally found the little story development of Bartolo Ginsetti (the cloak salesman) to be a nice touch Im not really a fan of how either of the Dungeons play out, but their scenery is amazing

[@josejuanandrade4439]

@@TurbotarzanWoW I personaly would like to see more Caverns of Time dungeons, just done in the style of the Cata ones. Maybe we could have some going over some of the key events of Wc2 and 3. Maybe one of the Scourge Invasion of Quel'Thalas, ending with the rise of the Kel'Thuzad the Lich! Or maybe one were we witness Broxiggar going through the portal and wounding Sargeras!

[@JustTard]

Linking Hayven’s video at the end got me in the feels so hard. Loving your content.

[@filipposstavro1233]

I remember there was a petition for Hayven to become immortalized in the game. I still resent blizzard for ignoring it. Hayven should become an NPC inside Light's Hope Chappel. R.I.P. Hayven , we miss you. Great video mate

[@Eyevou]

Thanks for covering the instance I suggested! 🥰

[@hedonism1332]

Funnily enough the cut content enterance to Black Morass was used in SoD for the priest class trinket quest. You go to Tanaris, use the trinket from BWL and get teleported there.

[@brandonkellner2920]

Back in vanilla, I got into the caverns of time by just dying in front of the entrance and walking through it as a ghost.

[@Jade___]

originally you could just die in front of the caverns of time and then your ghost could walk through the door and res on the other side

[@SpunkMcKullins]

RIP Hayven.

[@InternetGravedigger]

Don't forget the crypts under Karazhan and the portal (likely intended to be to Hyjal) in Winterspring (Darkwhisper Gorge).

[@VelvetSkyye]

Not likely. It WAS intended to be hyjal. The other side of that portal is where the under construction sugb seen in trailers was as well as archumindes Skeleton from wc

[@kyleellis1825]

The Azshara portal, Grim Batol, Uldum...

[@InternetGravedigger]

@@kyleellis1825 There was also portals to the Emerald Dream in Feralas and Duskwood too...

[@kyleellis1825]

@@InternetGravedigger and the blasted lands portal originally being more of a single max level zone with a raid.

[@Moe_L]

In turtle wow a classic+ private Server the devs made this a playable dungeon. 😊 not one of my favorite but nice to explore

[@lycaeo]

Imagine if they added caverns of time as a SM-style dungeon hub in SOD or Classic+ when it releases!

[@Kemachris]

So doing what they did in tbc.. nah I want to see more creative ideas

[@ericmccarty2369]

Its so neat revisiting these old features of World of Warcraft.

[@scienz0220]

My childhood was supposed to be longer and has unfinished dungeons, too

[@abystus]

Damn. This is like HavenGames 2.0. Great work!

[@Bossbabyy99]

Super, Super cool video. This is the kind of stuff I'd love too see in SoD.

[@Dianita1002]

From the rear side of the caverns of time, you could access with a little of effort, jumping here and there, I went inside taking pics and having fun marvelled by how cool the interior was, of course I stepped on an unfinished part and I fell onto the infinite 😅 and I had to contact a DM who scolded me but nothing happened to me. It was fun, but at the same time I never understood why they got upset because you explore content that was already in the game.

[@KevinArcade87]

So the structure that you can see in Karazhan (Prince Malchezaar Room) is actually that of Black Morass?

[@TurbotarzanWoW]

Wondered the same thing, but its not quite the same (just checked again)

[@KevinArcade87]

@@TurbotarzanWoW I feel like it's the same just slightly altered

[@aaron__7694]

We need this dungeon in SoD! Make it into raid, that would be epic

[@hughmann706]

5:58 Isn't this de-bunked by the fact that Garrosh went back in time and it had no effect on our present because when you go back in time in the game it's an alternate universe you go to?

[@thisislame2207]

This dungeon and it's lore was made waaaaaay before that happened. The tidbit there is just to remind people why that dungeon happened lorewise back then.

[@nogunk147]

Timbermaw Hold i believe was also supposed to be a dungeon. The massive gated structure in Azshara guarded by a named Furbolg NPC that serves no purpose in the game

[@ph0end]

Makes me wonder if they had more plans for Timbermaw rep; I always thought it was weird to block the area progression with the grind to Friendly.

[@allakatter931]

Really enjoyed the video!

[@KevinArcade87]

Have you ever made a video about the additional rooms in BWL?

[@lunayoshi]

Holy shit, what?? There were extra rooms? Please cover this! I'm curious now.

[@gangplankmain414]

Honestly a great video, thank you for making it :)

[@bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb.]

havent watched the video yet but i will bet youre talking about either black temple. karazhan or hyjal

[@justinperry8445]

Know what the raid portal at the end of Strath is?

[@TurbotarzanWoW]

It was supposed to be the alternate (non attunement requiring) entrance to Naxxramas, similar to the Blackwing Lair entrance in Blackrock Spire, or the Molten Core entrance in Blackrock Depths. Its likely that when Blizzard realised that pretty much everybody opted for the attunements over the dungeon entrances, they decided not to open the dungeon entrance which would have been located at the end of the Stratholme dungeon

[@fieswow]

Heyy, i must admit, that This is a very interessting Video 🙈 thanks for that🥰 keep it up

[@TurbotarzanWoW]

Thanks a lot! there will be more :)

[@fieswow]

@@TurbotarzanWoWit the perfect Video to watch while eating your meal :D

[@cujoedaman]

Never realized Chromie was that old (in game time). I started a week before BC dropped and didn't really get caught up until the tail-end of WotLK, so I never met her in all that time.

[@TheBorlaq]

You could easily bypass the rock in front of Caverns of Time in vanilla, if you died in front of the stone, you could walk through it as a ghost and resurrect on the inside.

[@CatVisionTM]

First time watch you. This was a cool video bro. I’ll definitely be checking out more.

[@SeruraRenge11]

It should be noted that dragons being able to disguise themselves as humans had been a thing in canon since WC2.

[@abrvalg321]

1:57 4 dragons, after you kill 3, here is another quest.

[@jeanjean3922]

So this is where the Black morass dungeon on turtle wow comes from, i thought it was full custom content!

[@Qrdeath]

Verry good video keep it up😊😊😊

[@sec808]

So did everybody forget about the unused portal in SW?

[@thisislame2207]

Talking about the one with the closed gate? That was supposed to be for player housing back in vanilla, but that became cut content. They kinda were lazy in removing that portal.

[@doodmonkey]

Patch 1.2 and 1.3 were years apart, don't forget that.

[@Jokar93]

What do you mean? 1.2 released on November 7, 2004 1.3 released on March 7, 2005 so four months apart

[@doodmonkey]

months not years, my bad@@Jokar93

[@Serphentin]

​@@doodmonkeyI just thought you were making a joke about 2004 vs 2005 lol

[@HAXRLITSXY]

rip hayven. best wow youtuber imo, well at least at the time.

[@bjrnchrstn]

Best game ever made. Nothing came close ever since.

[@cattysplat]

All this cancelled content from Vanilla. What could have been...we can only dream of such possiblities.

[@jonathan6578]

yaay a new video

[@limeking4140]

Sindssyg video ❤

[@Bigmudfan]

9 minute video for 1 minute of the cancelled dungeon 😂

[@THEFINALHAZARD]

Yeeaaah, gotta get them ten minutes for revenue

[@valecrassus7835]

What I never understood is why there was such a wonderfully developed storyline surrounding every Caverns of Time instance....except Hyjal, which had NONE. "We just thought players would think it was cool." Stupid.

[@mbarrett99]

It's not really a wall-jump, and I wouldn't consider it particularly difficult, either.

[@kapone2k]

feels very odd to have played with someone called TurboTarzan but that was during Classic. And now watch a vid made by a TurboTarzan. . .

[@TurbotarzanWoW]

Hmm which realm was this?

[@kapone2k]

@@TurbotarzanWoW Sadly I don't remember because I transferd after a while to the RPpvp server during classic. Which might be that one, I recall doing Naxx with a Tarzan.

[@nubington]

the cabins of time

[@shoeby9273]

Would've much preferred actual reimagined cancelled content for classic than Slop of Discovery. Tons of spells in game exist on NPCs that would be perfect additions to the class archetypes. So much lost potential.

[@shadowforge]

It still infuriates me that Blizzard refuses to add an NPC for Hayven even after 2 completed petitions...

[@wylatron]

Your sound (voice) is so soft, I gave up after a bit of having my phone at full crank. You need some compression on your voice my guy.

[@mankdeme9546]

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