The Canon R7 vs The RP - Which is Better?

[@alansach8437]

The RP has a full frame sensor, so if you value or need a full frame sensor, and fps aren't important to you, then yes, it's the better camera. But most people I know who have bought the R7, including myself, have done so specifically because it is a 32 megapixel APS-C camera. A ton of pixels on subject gets you closer. Crop ability is what it's all about. Reach. I have full frame cameras and love them for landscapes and everyday photography, but when I'm shooting a shy songbird, or a wolf at 120 yards, I need reach. I also need fps.

[@tomd4748]

It's got 6 more mpx but sensor half the size. Thats no benefit.

[@bryantwalley]

@@tomd4748 lol. you watched all the wrong youtube videos. The R7 is a monster.

[@markwiemels]

⭐Good but cheap EF to RF Adapter - geni.us/TjFbE RP Camera (NEW) - geni.us/m5rMQ RP Camera (USED) - ebay.us/IPscfw 35mm f1.8 - geni.us/Y89G0iJ 50mm f1.8 - geni.us/XfAXunf 85mm f1.8 - geni.us/NhupTO R7 (best deal I found) - geni.us/KjmyVB IMPORTANT UPDATE - The RP is weather sealed! I got that wrong in the video, I was told in the comments of a previous video that it was not, and just assumed that was correct given the price point. I think that makes it Canons cheapest full frame camera AND Canons cheapest weather sealed body.

[@auxmike718]

RP offers an optional grip extension. Full frame for less money is a HUGE plus! After watching, I’m keeping my RP!

[@adrianvanleeuwen]

Great video! Yes, some compelling reasons to buy an RP for portrait shooting and general photography with occasional video, if a person does not need it for fast action or high video specs. When we sold our house the professional realty photographer used an RP with ultra-wide lens and I managed to download the images to check them out. Some great stuff. The RP is great for portrait or static images like realty.

[@sauravbasu8805]

Can you remember what that wide angle lens was ? ( focal length in mm, brand name )

[@adrianvanleeuwen]

@@sauravbasu8805 Canon 17-40mm ultra wide angle

[@stevechan5569]

Thanks for the candid and detailed presentation/review. I am not a professional and I don’t shoot video, and here are my 2 cents adding to your comments: I picked up the RP when it first came out in early 2019 and the R7 a month ago. For all intents and purposes they are the same new price when you take into considerations of the added features such as: IBIS, higher resolution, much improved auto focus, improved menu/operating system, dual cards (if you need it), bigger and commonly used battery, etc. I absolutely agree that RP is the perfect fit for budget minded, general photography, etc. However, the R7 should be considered more suitable for photographers who do wild life photography occasionally. It’s auto focus, higher pixel, and further reach allow you to practise wild life photography without breaking your bank getting the R5 or R6. It’s particularly true if you already owned some of the older lenses such as the EF 70-300mm f4-5.6L. By the way, I love the compact size and light weight of the RP: 17.9oz vs 22.4oz (with battery & SD card, weighted myself). The best camera is the one you can afford without going into financing!

[@markwiemels]

Agree.

[@shadyninja1]

The answer is simple. Get the RP if you do landscape and events and low light performance. Get the R7 if you want speed and do sports and bird photography

[@harrison00xXx]

You missed something incremental: "Get the R7 if you want speed and do sports and bird photography" + and if you can afford it The R7 is just too expensive especially because its just APS-C! And the budget version, the R10 is too crippled by canon.

[@Bad_Wolf_Media]

Regarding the dial thing, I've seen a lot of people talking about the R7's changes, with only two wheels (top and thumb wheel). As a long-time 7DII user, this is exactly what I've been shooting with for years. No third control like more expensive cameras. The thumb wheel did move from the 7DII, but it seems to be in a better ergonomic position so you only have to move your thumb to the side, not over and down. My principal control when I'm shooting fast in changing light conditions (I shoot concerts) is the shutter speed. I have that mapped to the thumb wheel on the 7DII, and the top dial controlling the aperture. ISO is done through the top dial with a single button-press to change it. I can't imagine much will change with my operations with the R7..........if I ever get the one I ordered.

[@markwiemels]

Good luck!

[@mattboggs6304]

I have an RP, never tried the R7. Yes it's true, the RP is absolutely terrible for capturing fast moving subjects. Even just shooting a model who was sort of slowly dancing around in a dress, it just kept whiffing the autofocus. So between the poor autofocus and the 4 frames per second, forget using it on anything faster than a slow walk. But I really like it for fashion and portrait shooting. The images are nice, and of course the colors are good. I prefer the color out of the RP more than my much more expensive Sony's.

[@dingdingdingdiiiiing]

Interesting, not my experience with the RP. What kind of lenses do you use that the AF is hunting?

[@ChaseMaximilian]

R7 is 40% more expensive than RP on Canon website. That should tell you enough. I have RP and it’s good for what I need. In 5 years I’ll upgrade to R6 III

[@user-vj9qw6ok1b]

Duel cards, useful when you want to challenge another photographer. Give him one, keep the other. I'm glad Canon has me covered on that one.

[@PunjabiGymBeats]

I went with the Eos R and very happy with it., I tried R7 but didn't like handling of joystick and wheel, I will buy R6 in future.

[@markwiemels]

Yah, the joystick is a strange one, I am kinda getting use to it now.

[@kultyurgeym]

This is my first time to bump into your content. Great content to be honest, comparing those two cameras. I bought RP couple months ago because I need to replace my old camera. At first, a lot of things were new to me since I'm using 450D as my hobby camera, now I'm enjoying my RP when taking portraits and also my collections. To he honest, it is a great camera, depending on how you use it. Since I'm not taking photos of wild life, I prefer this camera and enjoys it. Yeah, I agree with the words you said in the last part of the video, that we don't need to upgrade too much on the system if we don't upgrade our skillset.

[@markwiemels]

It's such a good camera really, so underrated.

[@PWingert1966]

I'm considering moving up from an older SL1 and I think the RP is probably my destination.

[@ralfhedin]

You are absolutely fantastic in making comparisons between different cameras! It is although a bit to tecnical to me. Since you have made lots of videos on the M50, could you consider making a video for those of us M50-users who are thinking of upgrading to another camera, which kind of user should choose which one of the Canon cameras?

[@markwiemels]

Yes, it's on my list. I have had lots of requests for that video.

[@Chris-NZ]

Hi Mark interesting comparison and always a little tricky comparing FF with APSC. For a slightly different perspective I paid about US $1500 in 2005 ( $2100 in 2022 values) for the Canon 20D (still working) and US $ 1700 for the R7 last week so it’s worth just stepping back and admiring how far Canons APSC cameras have come and that they are cheaper than ever. The 20D is an 8megapixel camera with AF and a postage sized LCD thats pretty much it, not that I didn’t get some great images on it but the R7 is well, quite spectacularly better 😀 From a personal perspective, for my use case, I would be picking the R7 over the RP regardless of the price difference. Cheers from NZ 😀👍

[@markwiemels]

Yeh, I love the R7 too. I think my greater point here is how underrated the RP is.

[@Chris-NZ]

@@markwiemels Fair point 😀

[@snapshotrobbie6603]

First time watching your video, and oh man I was hooked. (Partly because I currently have a canon 2000D and looking to upgrade but also your level of energy and enthusiasm towards photography) thank you for a great comparison! I really am swaying towards the r7! Currently having a cropped sensor and still able to take some stunning landscape shots with it I really do like what the r7 has to offer! Thank you for a great comparison!

[@markwiemels]

Thanks. You can’t go wrong with the R7, it’s an amazing camera.

[@johnwinter6061]

Have the RP with 24-240. Love it. I mainly do travel grab shots. It's limitations are not a problem for what I do. Eg I don't do video at all. And that's the point. Horses for courses. This video provides excellent contrasts of features PLUS what it means in terms of subject matter. Now also have R50 with 100-400. Haven't done much with it. It has some better features than the RP. Eg Better focus system and more fps. And the lenses are fully interchangeable! So I've sort of filled some of the RP gaps with the R50 rather than going for an expensive APS-C.

[@johnmodiba7856]

Thanks Mark for your response on my final decision on the RP for Portraits. Thanks.

[@tm7554]

I love the color tones of Canon cameras and really want the Canon EOS RP. Unfortunately, I was scammed on Amazon with a Nikon camera and lost $680, so I won't be able to buy it for a while. But the RP is my dream camera, and I will definitely buy it someday.

[@rawali1]

R7 with EF lenses with a speedbooster... amazing combo to shoot with!

[@untouchable360x]

I bought both. RP for travel and landscape. R7 for sports and wildlife.

[@ruggedrebel57]

Glad to see you got this one done! About to start watching! 💪🏼

[@MaybeAnnatar]

I rented both of these and the R6 Mark II to see if I really needed to upgrade to the Mark II. The R7 is a great camera...but the full frame of the RP and R6 Mark II makes a big difference.

[@iyn1911]

Great points you bring up. Thank you. As a Canon fan upgrading from an M 50 mkll is difficult. That said the RP is an underrated camera. Seems like the 2nd generation of the R7 will be worth the wait for me.

[@markwiemels]

M50 is still a great camera.

[@PauloRodriguesDev]

RP need a Mark II version with 4K 30FPS uncropped video, the only feature missing in this camera :(

[@joandreas1490]

Having nearly bought rp before r10, i doubt i regret that choice(i still have preorder on r7). as for trading in m50 with lenses for it (lost way too much on that, as lens trade in is low). got ef-s 55-250 on it atm. used value on m50 have started on 275€ and rp like 700€.

[@markwiemels]

Bummer about the used prices, M50's have been getting premium prices on eBay in the US. Is there any noticeable difference in the quality of the photos from the R10 to the M50? They seem to have an almost identical sensor.

[@METAL4K-UK]

I'm waiting for an R7 and have an M50. Try selling on Facebook instead of taking less than re-sell price from a store.

[@joandreas1490]

It have gone up abit in Price since I sold it.

[@ariririririririririri]

So my guess is that you are slowly moving away from Canon M system? If that's the case just wanted to say thank you for your thorough coverage of EF-M lenses and systems. It was very informative and enthusiastic and as a M50 MII user I have learned a lot from your videos. But I do understand the move, as Canon R is probably a better system to start building your setup now.

[@markwiemels]

Not at all! I still have lots of videos coming on the M system, it’s just for the channel to grow, I need to cover other cameras as well. As long as there are viewers for M series videos, I plan to keep making them.

[@LouisLuzuka]

@@markwiemels m user here 😭🙏🏽☺️

[@PitikSelated]

R7 is my very 1st camera after upgrading from mobile phone photography... So far, i dont have issues with handling :-)

[@muhammadluqmankhan08]

The autofocus box changes it's colour when the camera actually starts focusing.. from white to blue

[@Battery-Powered]

Thank you for that in detail comparison ! R7 is significantly sharper

[@workingwiththelight3119]

I cancelled my preorder for R7 after waiting for over a month and seeing new canon RF 'cheap' lenses released that cost £700! I wait for new Canon M50 mark iii which as rumours said will come last quarter if 2022. I just need 4k and reliable AF. My Canon M50 shows even with kit lens, very nice 4k video quality. Shame that they intentionally switched off dual pixel AF for protecting higher priced models. They can't do it with mark iii, as nobody will buy it!

[@markwiemels]

Note - the M6 Mark II has all the specs you need and the performance is great. There may or may not be an M50 III, I hope there is.

[@MichaelCook1981]

Canon isn't going to make a Canon M50 III. They pretty much abandoned it, they're focusing on the EOS R series.

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

I had an RP. It is great for portraits. I tried using it for video, but I would only get 40-60 mins per battery filming at 4k, which was very annoying from a production standpoint. Also it has a crop in 4k, so the low light performance was just OK. The 24-105 f4-7.1 was sooo bad. 35mm1.8 was pretty great, but auto focus is a bit slow by modern standards. I switched to A7iv with 3 Sigma 24-70 and couldn't be happier. The quality of 4k video I get is next-level. Super sharp, even at high ISO. Dynamic range on S-log is amazing. No record limits, dual SD cards, focus assist mapping, way better battery life. The list goes on.

[@markwiemels]

This is super info, thanks for sharing.

[@harrison00xXx]

Yeah the RPs battery is just ok for photography, as soon you start 4K video the battery drains not just normally fast, it drains super fast. I also wanted the A7S III or R version, whatever, but its price was 2nd hand and especially new a NO GO. The Mk2 version was too old and outdated for my taste. The RP was in my opinion a good compromise between getting fullframe but for a affordable, nearly fair price. It would be totally fair if not TOO GOOD price if Canon would not have used the cripple-hammer that hard on the RP!

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

@@harrison00xXx the cripple hammer is real. The battery life would be forgivable if you could charge it while filming, you'd just need an inexpensive PD power bank. It only charges over USB C while switched off, unlike every cellphone and laptop ever made. Heck, even a $5 LED flashlight can charge while running.

[@hugoslavinski1856]

You know you can put V-Mount battery on your Camera ? You gain on battery but a lot

[@NathanBuildsRobots]

@@hugoslavinski1856 i tried that on my Canon M50, but when it came unplugged while filming, the camera died and I had to sell it for parts. I want something that is reliable and has long record times, which the Sony provides over USB charging.

[@ForrestWest]

I believe the biggest reason to buy the R7 is for birds and wildlife and macro. The raw burst pre-capture and the focus bracketing features along with the 30 frames per second electronic make it the best crop sensor camera out there for these types of shooters.

[@markwiemels]

Yes, and it's amazing for video too.

[@Leptospirosi]

The RP is not "officially" Weather sealed, but still Canon reports it's not particularly vulnerable due to tight assembly fitting and some degree of thought in the dials positioning and design. It HAS some degree of weather sealing. I wouldn't go to Borneo with ant RP ou won't have any problem in a light rain, especially if your lens is weather sealed. I really wish Canon had used the 6D sensor rather then the 6Dmkll: noise and render wise the 6Mp you get are not worth compared to quality of high ISO and image rendering. The 6D is still is among the best sensors canon ever made

[@markwiemels]

This is really interesting, thanks for the information.

[@avronaut]

Best comparison of these two I've seen so far. And I have seen everything that KZbin has to offer. For my purpose, the RP is the winner and there was an unbeatable offer in Germany: EOS RP body with 24-105mm/4-7.1 for €899. Do you have to think about it for a long time? 😉

[@markwiemels]

Wow! that is a deal!

[@christosviskadourakis9030]

Great video. As far as I know, RP is weather sealed! Google agrees too!

[@denniswalter259]

Yes the rp is weather sealed.

[@stonewp]

The R7 seems like a huge and expensive M6 mark ii with a view finder and minimal upgrades. This APS-C camera would have made more sense retaining the EF-M Mount as an M5 mark ii, or even better, an M6 mark iii without the viewfinder.

[@HeySalina]

Obsessed with your videos now, thanks!! Might try to save up for an RP 🤔

[@markwiemels]

Kind of you to say. I think Canon will be releasing at least one, maybe more, cameras before the end of the year, and I expect them to affordable options, so keep an eye out.

[@harrison00xXx]

I hope for a RP Mk2 and so..... Canon should focus more on the hobbyists, not just the professionals. Canon made a really good job with DSLRs in 2007 up to 2014 at least... affordable entry level, better midclass but still somehow affordable for the more "professional" user and good but super expensive gear as anywhere. Now the entry level DSLM bodies cost already 900$+... without a single lens to use it at all. Thats poor. I remember entry level DSLRs for 300$, brand new! But somehow my paycheck didnt rise 3x as the prices?!

[@rayszadude2940]

Hoping to see comparison between RP and R10 in the future. Both of them are entry-level for full-frame mirrorless, right?

[@markwiemels]

R10 is crop, rp is full frame.

[@rayszadude2940]

@@markwiemels Ouh my bad for that

[@Experimental_Pilot]

I too am torn between the r10 and the rp

[@oliverwoodburyphotography6818]

Fantastic comparison! I love my RP but I still miss having a joystick which I used to have on my xt2, R7 autofocus does look awesome though…

[@railx2005]

i paired it with the rf 70 200mm f4, and the auto focus bro.. its like instantaneous.

[@PWingert1966]

Im looking at moving up from a Canon SL1. The Sl3 was my next choice but with the market moving to mirrorless it seem like I might be better moving to the R series. I use my SL1 casually and a majority of my photographs are taken on my phone. The Sl1 is for vacations and specific outing for taking photographs. So I think the R7 is over kill but the RP is a consideration. Video is important since I make the occasional KZbin video. I was looing at the M50 and M200. the rolling shutter issue on the R7 sounds serious and I am not sure if Clog is an important item on my list. The two available R7 Lense don't inspire me. I only have a telephoto for my Sl1 so its not like moving to a new lens system would be a huge consideration.

[@markwiemels]

R7 Rolling shutter is there for sure, but not as bad as Sony APS-C.

[@harrison00xXx]

I really love my RP, i was coming from a 550D/600D and it was a HUGE STEP.... all my EF lenses (except a 75-300mm IS USM) perform better on mirrorless as expected. For me the reason to go for the RP was mainly the price and that i dont use(d... fk it^^) video. Well... things changed, i realized wildlife is more interesting after i got the RP (and RF 800 F11) and its very limiting if you want/need more than 1080p60 or 4k 25 fps or 4-5fps in burst. None the less, i dont regret my decision for the RP - The R7 is MUCH TOO EXPENSIVE and the R10 is too limited, especially in buffer and SD card write speed. The Price of the R10 is another thing considering its by far one of the worst APS-C sensors for modern DSLMs. The RP is ok for video (even better for vlogging than R5, R6, R7 etc), but NOT for anything beyond 60 fps. But i have to say... 1080p60 is very good and 4k in manual focus also nice, any other setting is very low bitrate and noticable worse.

[@jaytcapinpin]

I do understand that the Mieke adapters are cheap at about $50, but it's cost effective to just buy one adapter, and now your adding more weight (although minimal) and now taking up more room in your bag.

[@rabihyassine5138]

Comaparing crop sensor to full frame !!! and giving the points to r7 over RP !!!!

[@MohondhaY]

Thank you for thr super detailed comparison video!

[@markwiemels]

You are most welcome.

[@buddahbud1]

Thanx very much for this indepth comparison video. Much appreciated and needed before I change from DSLR to Mirrorless ... and one at a good price/quality perk.

[@markwiemels]

My pleasure! I'm so glad it was helpful! Thanks.

[@gigihanmandarin]

Some of us WANT apsc for small camera body and small lenses. Sadly, currently R7 offers none of those.

[@markwiemels]

I know, it’s huge.

[@RogerAVHansen]

You got your hands on an R7! 😃 I’m still waiting for mine 😄

[@markwiemels]

The video quality is insanely good.

[@Chris-NZ]

Hi, I waited ages for mine as I was going for body only, in the end my local camera shop who had plenty of the R7s with kit lens phoned me and offered the camera at the body only price and just took the kit lens out, worked for me , if you are going body only you might like to suggest that to you local camera store. In the end its about customer relationships. So far I’m impressed, I’m using the R7 as a backup with extra reach for my R5 for events in particular (my previous backup was the 50D ) . I don’t find it too hard to swap between cameras although the two comments I’d make is that I miss the top LCD on the R7 and the R7 shutter sounds decidedly agricultural compared to the R5 😀 Also as Mark mentions the video is amazing , was testing even the 1080 120 over the weekend, amazing on a 32” Imac monitor.

[@RogerAVHansen]

@@Chris-NZ Yeah, I’ve had several people telling me this, but unfortunately the supply shortage in Norway is for both the kit and the body only. Non of the options seems to be available.. but I’m looking forward to getting my hands on it, from what I’ve seen and have been told it looks like a great little camera ☺️

[@Chris-NZ]

@@RogerAVHansen That’s no good , I thought we were the end of the earth down here 😀

[@DUMB10987]

I like the idea of comparing cameras based on budget. If I use a full frame macro efs lens on the rp vs R7. Will the colors and detail be the same in the pictures?

[@markwiemels]

No, you will lose megapixels, and possibly detail.

[@SchardtCinematic]

I've never seen a dial like the one on the RP before. I'm used to having the thumb dial and Joystick from my 5D mark III and my 90D. I just had to take a day or two to get used to its placement.

[@diamondstateautoandchats499]

I bought the RP and the R7 at the same time. I returned my RP and got a R10. RP doesn't properly display battery life, and I had issues with the auto focus not working

[@N13J]

If you need speed, reach and video capability then R7. If you shoot in a somewhat controllable environment like studio or using strobe light and focus mainly on still picture quality then go for RP. But considering the price point shouldn’t you compare R7 to R instead? A used RP is still the best entry to the world of full-frame considering the price.

[@markwiemels]

R7 to R would be good, but I can't own all these cameras.

[@ForrestWest]

Using FV mode I can control every main setting on the R7 with just the front dial and rear wheel while looking through the viewfinder.

[@markwiemels]

Good tip.

[@eddyhate88]

use a native rf lens when using auto focus and you'll get just about the same results on both

[@NizarNoor]

RP all day. Its compact size is a big plus point and it’s full frame.

[@cubax26]

Mark, I recently discovered your channel. I love it! It is very informative and inspiring. Keep up the great work. I have noticed that your audio quality has improved. Is this because of the Fuji film preamps inside the camera or are you recording audio externally? Thank you Mark. Great channel.

[@markwiemels]

Thanks! It's the MKE-600, can be used with the camera or XLR device, it's magic. I have a video about it on the channel.

[@cubax26]

@@markwiemels thank you Mark for the quick reply. In your case, do you have it plugged into the fujifilm or into an external device?

[@markwiemels]

I have used it both ways, in most videos I am recoding into the computer via a usb audio interface, but when I record into camera, you really can’t tell the difference. If you check out my MKE 600 video it has lots of samples and comparisons, used both ways.

[@cubax26]

@@markwiemels again, thank you Mark for the quick reply. I sure will watch your video. Keep up the great work!

[@PWingert1966]

I need the conventional dial since Ihave no thumb on my righthand, but my right index finger joint has been opened so that it functions like a thumb. I think the joystick will prove inconvenient for me.

[@henriquepastick]

But wait… Canon RP does have weather sealing. When you said it didn’t have I went to check that. It might be not as good as the R7, but it’s the same as the 80D. PS.: I had an M50, and I wanted to upgrade to the R10, but your last video about the Canon RP made me consider it as an option. Long story short now I have a Canon RP with 24-105 F4 L. 😁

[@markwiemels]

Thanks for pointing out the weather sealing! I think I totally just assumed it did not, given the price point, I will pin a note in the comments.

[@Morgan_In_Motion]

It does, a photographer in one of my groups recently got soaked by a wave shooting his rp by the ocean. Camera is good lol

[@David_from86]

Is the Eos R adapter weather sealed? I’m thinking about coupling my EF 100-400 mk2 to the R7.

[@MarkBennettCameraCrisis]

Great video, Mark!! It will help me in some of my reviews 🤣🤣

[@markwiemels]

Thanks! I think I owe you licensing money for the review format anyways!

[@MarkBennettCameraCrisis]

@@markwiemels haha - I hope it works!!

[@markwiemels]

@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis looks like it so far.

[@Jozuajay]

Sony a6400, ZV-E10 o Canon RP , better for 50/50 photo/Video ? FoodStyling & Real state?

[@noelwhite5532]

Great video Mark! I really appreciate your time putting this together. I am researching a setup for photographing my artwork (acrylic and oil paintings). The RP is looking like a good option for me to go with, especially with all the great full frame lens options available. Would you happen to have a good lens recommendation for my intended use?

[@markwiemels]

I would look at the RF 35mm f1.8, would be great for that.

[@auxmike718]

@@markwiemels great pick, the macro is fun to fool around with too!

[@croska]

Awesome content! +1 happy subscriber!!! 😍😍😍

[@markwiemels]

You are most welcome.

[@FenderLewis]

Great video!! So are you going to get a vignette if you use a Tokina 11-20mm ef lens on the Canon RP?

[@markwiemels]

Yes, if it works at all.

[@msbrownbeast]

IMHO, the RP does not hold a candle next to the R7. Much lower continuous shutter speed, no IBIS, shorter reach) make it unsuitable for use as an action or sport camera. There is no excuse for the RP to use a smaller battery than the EOS R or R7, basically its battery is used across the EOS M line.

[@markwiemels]

I covered these issues in the video.

[@andersistbesser]

The rp wasnever intendet to be a aports camera its a cheap entry full frame for gods sake.

[@alansach8437]

@@andersistbesser Exactly why it's silly to be comparing them! If you are interested in the R7, you probably aren't interested in the RP. Same the other way around. Apples to oranges. One is a wildlife, sports, action camera, and the other a landscape, portrait, general photography camera.

[@rokpodlogar6062]

I hate switching to mirrorless. Can't even see if the polarizer is working :)

[@HawkyLee]

Rocking the m6 mk2 +22mm (for the 35mm look ofcorse) and sigma 56mm since late 2019, looking for an upgrade to a full frame alongside the 35mm 1.8 and 85mm 2.0. My main concern is the focusing system and obviously looks like the rp is not better than the m6mk2, not sure about the R though.. any experience using the R? I know its better than the rp but will it perform better or on par with the m6mk2 focusing? Should i save and wait for the rp mkii (if it does comes out) or just get the R? R6 above is just to much money for me to fork out comfortably 😑

[@markwiemels]

You have a pretty good setup right now, I would wait and see what Canon releases in the next 6 months.

[@myfavoritecrew7920]

I’m on the same boat as Hawk Lee. I found a used RP selling for $650 it’s very tempting but not sure if I should continue saving. I also have a M6ii right now

[@HawkyLee]

@@myfavoritecrew7920 well I've managed to test the RP (lucky me the 2nd photographer at a paid gig i was in was using it with a adapted sigma 70-200 and canon 24-70 f4) a few days after commenting to Mark. So during the gig We swap gears halfway along the shoot and we both agree and noticed the m6mkii is way better at overall focusing peformance. The RP focusing is nothing bad, its as accurate as it gets with mirrorless no front and back focusing issues unlike dslr. But laggs behind the m6mkii. We use the slow burst 3fps mode on both bodies 56mm(90mm) on the m6mkii and 90mm on his 70-200 sigma both at f2.8, same subject dancing back and fourth left and right about 25-26 continues shots about 5 times. Reviewing back the pics,(over 120 shots) the m6mkii have 95%-90% accurate focus vs 65%-70% on the RP. The RP is good, but not on par with the m6mkii. For iso, RP at 6400 even 12800 is cleaner. Safe to say you can get away with most of the shoots even as high as 12800. With the m6mkii, 12800 is unusable for me, some shots maybe but mostly no. And the bokeh is way apparent vs the apcs m6mkii. Gotta hand it to the fullframe sensor 😂 Dynamic range is just a tad better with the RP, its better but not enough wow factor to justify the peformance vs m6mkii. All i can say is due to the fullframe-ness of RP, the pic it self will turn out better. But for focus speed and performance, the m6mkii owns the RP. I dont mind the slow 3fps speed as long as it can nail every shots but my test proven otherwise. So for me, RP is not a good enough upgrade. Still praying to meet up with a R user so i can test out the focusing peformance though 😬

[@yeahchuan]

Very well explanation...thanks for effort.

[@markwiemels]

You are most welcome!

[@jc5573]

Great video! Will you be doing a video on Eos R5 vs Eos R7? Thank you.

[@markwiemels]

If I can get my hands on an R5.

[@Thedivinevision.19]

I already own 90D, so i guess rp should be better choice for me

[@PLANETWATERMELON]

I also had such trouble with auto focus on the RP.

[@sdhute]

I really wanted to like canon. Everyone says the glass is amazing. I picked up a RF body and the 16mm and 50mm RF lenses. These were the worst budget lenses I have ever used. The focusing element protrudes out of the front of the lens when it focuses. Not even my cheap m43 lenses did that. I’ve came to the conclusion with canon it’s super cheap or super expensive if you want decent lenses l RF mount And then noticed canon takes away the histogram in video? I’ve not seen another company do that. All of this equipment was returned. Now amazed when I hear people talk about these budget bodies knowing they are most liking using these sub par prime lenses

[@adnranarisoa5919]

what do you recommend for a wedding photographer? Canon EOS RP or R7, i have a Canon Eos 6D mark ii and i want a second body camera

[@ryanpascualph]

If you're into moments, go for R7, RP is good for portraits and script poses.

[@johnnygonzalez6510]

I have a question, is RP or R better for night video? Considering more than anything the issue of ISO in low light conditions due to noise.

[@markwiemels]

R should be better, but I have not tested them.

[@LubaLuba1]

I am a bit confused more frames per second with electronic shutter but less with mechanical shutter but I thought R’s are all mirrors less. So how could they have mechanical shutter???

[@TikeLeSpike]

Please, I just want an RP with the video specs of the R7, is that too much to ask for? 😪

[@scottrc85]

A used eos r then is what you are looking for.

[@TikeLeSpike]

@@scottrc85 Thanks for the recommendation, however, the R still lacks the uncropped oversampled 4K and internal 10-Bit C-Log of the R7

[@TikeLeSpike]

After looking at the freshly announced R8, it looks like my prayers were heard - screamingggg right now!

[@ariririririririririri]

I have decided to bite a bullet and actually ordered an RF camera as well. Will keep my M50 for a bit longer as I love the small compact size of it but I was wondering. Now that you have RP and R7 would you be willing to do some tests with older but cheaper EF lenses from L-line? Lenses like 24-105 f/4 are still a great deal and I wonder if they perform better than a kit lens 24-105 f/4-7.1

[@markwiemels]

Unfortunately I don’t have the older L lenses, it would be a good test to see.

[@Jack-ce8we]

EF-L 24-105 outshines the RF kit lens for photo but for video id say kit lens.

[@dusty_burkhalter]

I think several reviews have mentioned the focus issue. Hopefully that can be resolved with a firmware update.

[@markwiemels]

This is my thinking as well. I feel like the autofocus issue is being glossed over a bit by some reviewers.

[@dusty_burkhalter]

@@markwiemels agreed. I appreciated your honest commentary. Hard to find in camera reviews!

[@oamyway975]

👌👌 Very detailed. Thank you 🙏

[@markwiemels]

You are most welcome.

[@Wsmith247]

All depends on what kind of shooter you are, sports or wildlife R7 hands down.

[@markwiemels]

For sure.

[@PLANETWATERMELON]

My RP always shut off during video. Finally sold it and debating on the R7 or Sony a7c.

[@ravigurram9884]

is it because of longer videos like astrophotography and low battery capacity?

[@traumaturgist]

Thanks for a great comparison Mark! I'm an amateur-intermediate photographer resuscitating his camera knowledge with an R7...love it but part of me is planning to buy the RP body for its full-frame landscape/architectural photography goodness...especialy since it takes my EF adaptor but aso all the lenses my R7 does but with wider dimensions (especially the RF 16mm f2.8 STM which has given me great results so far on the R7). Would you recommend the RP specifically for this sort of thing? Thanks!

[@markwiemels]

Yes, its a perfect setup, this means all your full frame lenses essentially become two lenses. They have different fields of view on the R7 vs the RP.

[@traumaturgist]

@@markwiemels Thanks for your response Mark - I hadn't thought of that specific benefit to the lenses (having "essentially two lenses") before you mentioned it. much appreciated!

[@Kkkk-yz7dl]

Between 5d iv and R7 wich better for wedding photo sessions and short clips?? My budget max 1800$

[@markwiemels]

I would get an EOS R and skip both of those cameras.

[@skyedavis466]

The spec of dust on the RP sensor in the middle gave me anxiety lmao

[@dwslump]

On a totally different topic (sorry), I saw a comment from you in another video that was comparing the M6 Mark II, R7 and R10 for video, and I came here to say that I'm very curious on your opinion on how the EF-M mount holds with the newer RF mount systems, specially for photography. Now that you have the R7, I hope you can test it out and bring up this topic when you have the chance :)

[@markwiemels]

I will do this, but most of the advancements with the new cameras is in the video specs. I doubt you would even be able to tell the phots apart in most situations.

[@dwslump]

@@markwiemels ooo cool, thanks for the reply 🥰

[@chilllytube]

Why are the card slots fighting?

[@nikovelikov]

Hey Mark, is there going to be Canon rp mark 2? Should I wait some time, I hear rumors that Canon is about to release new cameras by the end of the year. Let me know what you think, thanks!

[@markwiemels]

I’m not sure what they will release, but it might be worth holding on. I doubt we will see another sub $1000 full frame camera, I expect it to be more like $1500+

[@shilpikachhwaha9462]

I am so confused between R10 and RP.I need for dental photography with a 60 or 100 mm lens respectively.Not being able to decide the size of the sensor will be an issue if it's for ony close shots and portraits.Please help .

[@markwiemels]

I would lean towards the R10, you don't want a "blurry background" for that anyways, and the autofocus in the r10 will be much better.

[@1mkrlife]

RP or R7 for sports photography?

[@IntothewestOkotoks]

Been using the R7 a few weeks now, so a few comments…the joystick is pointless in my opinion, selecting AF point if needed thru the touch screen (if right eye dominant) is much quicker. The auto level feature is incredibly useful for landscapes. Bokeh (blurry) backgrounds using high quality fast glass will blow out the background more than most people need…yes, I’d argue “professional” quality level ;-) As well, despite being made for FF, those RF and EF lenses will be able to hold up the 32mp detail (most noticeable on my 70-200 2.8 III, 135F2, and Tamron SP45). About the EVF, the RP I believe is limited to 60hz, where as the R7 can at least go up to 120hz (resolution is the same). Side note - DPP and so far DXO pureraw have done a much better job handling the cr3 files, especially at higher ISO. I’ve been extremely impressed with the results at 6400 and even 12,800.

[@TheFalkingFive]

I saw a review of the r7 on youtube (james reader) and he found that the r7 files were significantly less sharp with full frame lenses than the 20mp r6 files with the same lens. so this was the reason for me not to take an apsc camera for my second body. i thought i get bigger filesizes but a less sharp image than on an r6...

[@IntothewestOkotoks]

@@TheFalkingFive it depends. Depends on the lens, depends on the aperture. If you are always shooting outdoor portraits, weddings, events - and usually wide open - then yes, the R6 will likely be “sharper” and resolve better detail. If you’re stopping those lenses down (assuming L lenses), it’s possible you’ll get more detail from the R7 if the lenses can resolve more than 20mp. Regardless, two cameras at very different price points. It can be argued that the R5 will resolve more detail than a R6, and a Fujifilm GFX 100S will resolve more detail than a R5, and so on. It really depends on what your looking for, and expectation. I had a look at the 6 files he shared, and it’s really hard to go from just one sample of each - but running it through DPP and DXO pureraw (separately, to see how each renders the images), the 35 does look a bit soft on the R7, the 50 looks either soft or slightly out of focus, and the 85 files are very close (the R6 renders slightly more detail on the eye). It’s such a shallow depth of field that it’s hard to compare.

[@randygarrido5358]

That Duel cards slot tho...

[@traumaturgist]

Mark, I have one question about the RP if you'll indulge me. I know the RP lacks native image stabilisation, so it essentially relies on the IS of a Canon lens. If I use the RP with a non-IS lens (e.g. the RF 16mm f2.8or the RF 50mm f1.8) the best thing is to use a tripod for every shot. Of course this isn't always possible, so can I still take sharp, unblurred photos hand-holding the RP if I adhere to the focal length rule (e.g. set shutter speed for faster than the lens length (e.g. at least 1/150s for the 50mm) in sufficient light? Thanks again for your patience with my noob questions!

[@markwiemels]

Yes, that will give you sharp images. This is how I shoot all my non-ibis bodies on non-is lenses, you can often even go a bit lower depending on how steady you are, ie 1/100 for a 50mm), just need to experiment.

[@traumaturgist]

@@markwiemels Mark, thanks once more for being generous with your time and expertise! Subscribing to your channel and can't wait to see more tips on Canon gear and photography in general!

[@beatzzc1t]

I believe the RP has dynamic stabilization.

[@traumaturgist]

@@beatzzc1t Not sure what you mean by "dynamic stabilization" - doesn't sound like a Canon thing. All I've heard about is IS on Canon cameras, and the RP does not have it natively (it relies on the IS of the lens AFAIK).

[@Jack-ce8we]

Depending on the focal length you can go the same shutter as focal length on wider angle lens’ like 24 and 35. Once focal length gets to 85mm and beyond I start to double, tripple, quad exc the shutter.

[@merdumgiriz108]

Hello. It's like he's new to photography. I want to shoot everything including street, wildlife, bird photography, astro, portrait, landscape. Rp is advantageous for landscapes, but R7 is also advantageous for wildlife.If you had to shoot everything on a single machine, which would you prefer, thank you?

[@markwiemels]

If you need fast autofocus, then I would go with the R7

[@merdumgiriz108]

@@markwiemels I understand. So if I buy the R7, will I have a lot of trouble with landscape, architecture and night shots? Is full frame required for these?

[@markwiemels]

@@merdumgiriz108 no, full frame is not required, you just need the right lenses.

[@merdumgiriz108]

@@markwiemels Got it, thank you very much, good work.

[@nikovelikov]

hey Mark, what camera did you use to shoot this video?

[@markwiemels]

Fujifilm x-t3 and x-t4.

[@scottrc85]

Which would you recommend a used EOS R or a R10? Both are about same price.

[@markwiemels]

For general photography the R, for video, and sports and wildlife photography, the R10.

[@ruff1draft]

I am looking forward to the Canon RP Mark 2 now the Canon R7 is out

[@markwiemels]

It should be good, I suspect it will be essentially the same specs as the current eos-r, which is what canon normally do.

[@andysmith1595]

Rp is weather sealed . Was that just a mistake or is it a different weather sealing

[@markwiemels]

Mistake. I pinned a comment with a correction.

[@ahmedbaheeg7163]

I have a the RP but it lacks c log so can you please tell me what can i do in camera to improve the color grading process to get better results in post

[@markwiemels]

here - prolost.com/blog/2012/4/10/prolost-flat.html

[@aylingpaul]

I think the autofocus on the R7 depends on what the lens you using as-well remember this is new technology on the R7 you can not pretend an old Canon glass performed fast as the New RF Lens, I wish to know when you make the test what lenses you used? Yes is true she missed lot of pictures when i test it, but as I tell you i have to do more testing with other lenses, And yes the RP some times loses everything in the frame 😂😬 and ….. Thanks for the video 😊

[@markwiemels]

For sure the lens will play a role, I was using the RF kit lens and 35mm RF lens. I have now spoken to other R7 owners, there is an issue with the autofocus accuracy, they are pretty much all reporting the same issues.

[@hayjors]

can't find viltrox rf 85mm f1.8 in USA 😅 even in Amazon 😔

[@markwiemels]

Canon has stopped them from making it.

[@sarimkhan.8]

Are you going to make a video comparing the M50 to the R7?

[@markwiemels]

Do you want sometime as an M50 user thinking of upgrading?

[@sarimkhan.8]

@@markwiemels Yeah, after seeing the release of these new cameras I realized how quickly camera tec advances, so seeing the differences between the 4 year old M50 and the New R7 would help me and probably a bunch of others too in upgrading from the M50

[@markwiemels]

@@sarimkhan.8 ok, I am planning a video covering the best “upgrade” options for M50 owners, in which I will cover a number of cameras that should be considered for a next camera.

[@sarimkhan.8]

@@markwiemels Thank you for taking the time to do that for us, it's really helpful