THE CAR PARK GRAND PRIX! The Story of the Caesar's Palace Circuit (1981-1984)

It was flat, it was dull, it was in a car park. That's all you need to know, really.
But it wasn't the first time racing had been held in the Las Vegas area, it was just the first time Formula One had been there, and with F1 returning to the streets of Vegas in a vanity race for money, why not visit the time F1 went to a track nobody liked, as opposed to now where it's a track nobody wants?
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[@AidanMillward]

Uncovered grandstands in the desert... What could possibly go wrong?

[@bmstylee]

I'm getting strong Casino and Goodfellas vibes thinking about that.

[@brianferus9292]

Since it's at night they'll need parkas. It's going to be damn cold. Don't know how their going to be able to keep any heat in their tires.

[@gozza18.77]

What about the time champcar had a race on the streets of Vegas. 2007 it was on Easter sunday, April 8th.

[@bmstylee]

@@brianferus9292 at least it isn't snowing like it did at Spa a couple years ago

[@KevinJDildonik]

They're running around 8-12 at night local time. Dry air in the desert means it loses heat FAST. Current forecast is 40% rain and an overnight low of 11C/52F. Imagine if it's cold and most visitors didn't think to bundle up in a desert, and it rained in the day so the track is green, and sand dusts the track before the race. It could be incredibly miserable for all parties. Worth noting sand isn't a huge problem on the strip, but even a dusting matters at 300kph.

[@warrenchamberlain8601]

I was a corner marshal at the first Vegas F1 race. The organizers chartered a red-eye bus to bring a bunch of San Francisco Region SCCA workers down to work the race. I was stationed at T13, and none of the drivers could hold their heads up straight by about 3/4 of the way through the race. Also, Patrick Tamaby had a HUGE crash in my corner, and by huge I mean ripped the car in half at about his thighs. He was so lucky to get out of that one... watched him undo his belts stand up, and limp straight forward out of his 'car' because the steering wheel, dash and the rest of the front of the car was gone (it sat a few hundred feet down the road).

[@JaydenJelly]

What an insane story. Thanks for sharing!

[@stinkyroadhog1347]

I remember that crash. Saw it in the MSTF1 review (Remember him?)

[@CyanRooper]

@@stinkyroadhog1347 NO ONE CAN BREAK THE WINKELROCK!

[@frevazz3364]

What was the reason for the drivers not being able to hold their heads up? Too many flat long corners?

[@GlutenEruption]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@frevazz3364 part of it was the fact that it was run counter-clockwise so their neck muscles weren’t used to it and partly because of the heat - several drivers suffered heat stroke and reportedly Nelson Piquet (who clinched the championship that race) had it so bad, he actually threw up in the cockpit during the race and could barely climb out of the car or walk on his own after.

[@sleeming88]

How to remember the three US Grand Prix using the Sergio Leone Dollars trilogy: Texas: The Good, The Bad and the Ugly Miami: A Fistful of Dollars Vegas: For a Few Dollars More

[@RexytheRexy]

Criminally underrated comment.

[@sujjo]

The Buddh International circuit in India doesn't have much tarmac run off now btw. They've converted most of the run off areas to gravel traps for the MotoGP Indian Grand Prix. Just so you know.

[@StarkRaven59]

That was a great race, at least.

[@bloqk16]

Gee! I sent the link of this video to a relative of mine that lives in Vegas: She was impressed! She wrote back to me, saying that Aidan really did his homework and did well with the succinct overview and pertinent details about Las Vegas; especially about the details of the defunct Stardust Raceway and the fate of the temporary race track in the 1980s.

[@jtdavis62]

Ground effects were banned after 1982, so Mansell's dramatic finish in Dallas in 1984 was because of the high heat and humidity. Also, the 1982 race was Mario Andretti's last in F1.

[@AidanMillward]

It was more a “drivers weren’t fit” statement rather than a “ground effect” one.

[@palm92]

@@AidanMillwardThat ‘84 Dallas race was a total fucking gongshow. It could be a video in of itself frankly. The Dallas issue was also exacerbated by running a race in Dallas in the middle of the summer, the air temp was 38 fucking degrees! Ghinzani (his only points!) and Laffite were sublime.

[@MrSniperfox29]

Last time I checked (or the rumours anyway) is that ticket prices are plummeting due to a lack of interest in being ripped off and the scalpers panicking

[@AidanMillward]

Hotel prices are down like 80% in some places.

[@KevinJDildonik]

To be fair. This is normal. Modern ticketing systems have dynamic pricing. Some people have been scientifically proven to think things are better when they are priced higher, so Vegas set some outrageous prices. And think of oil executives getting hotel suites for customers. They don't even read the bill. Then the ticket price will bounce around closer to race day. It may go up again if the algorithm deems it possible. I do think this event is a terrible idea. But don't point to dynamic pricing like it's unexpected.

[@KenzieRetro]

i'm not surprised. FIA learned NOTHING from this train wreck

[@AidanMillward]

@@KevinJDildonik it’s normal, but everybody knew the prices were bollocks when they were first published. Especially since it’s a street race and should in theory be ultra accessible.

[@alaeriia01]

Good! There is nothing more satisfying than watching scalpers lose money.

[@pendremacherald6758]

“Looks like you’ve driven your last race kid. Truth is, the track was flat from the start” Rest In Peace Matthew Perry

[@JohnnyHotovson]

what in the latifi damn? lets keep this smooth, like smooth little tyres...

[@kamukameh]

"because racing, ... racing never changes" :-)

[@Scottie_S]

Wind-burn, Aidan? Also, thanks for the Rat-Pack puns at the end. Takes me back to the glamorous and seedy days. I'm old...

[@slamanna212]

The music at the start, I love it.

[@AidanMillward]

Vegas, baby!

[@powerskurf]

I watched a recent Video with some footage of the Promoter/Casino owner discussing how he drew the track round his hand on a Napkin with Bernie Eccelstone and Bernie said it was too long so they took two fingers off and that is what you have. You can see it in the outline, pretty funny story. Can't find the Vid in my history sorry. Thank you for your always entertaining and informative content.

[@LASTCARonBROCK]

Very informative and enjoyable, and a good lead-in for this weekend.

[@pendremacherald6758]

If Brock Beard is in your comment section, you have to be doing something right.

[@fuller9x]

I think the big thing no-one is talking about is that these new ones are night races, and it kinda gets chilly in November, at night. So these new races will be more like F1 on Ice.

[@theF1oracle]

Correct ! I'm astonished that they didn't factor that in. Drivers almost passing out in Qatar & now drivers taking part in possibly the coldest F1 race ever.

[@dr4d1s]

I don't watch F1 (or any motorsports) nor do I Sim race but I sure love your stories. Thanks for making them Aidan. I appreciate you!

[@Hammerhead547]

Fun Fact: Twelve years after this happened that same caesars palace parking lot hosted Wrestlemania IX, which is widely considered to be one of if not the worst wrestlemania's ever.

[@KenzieRetro]

it's like hosting sporting events in vegas is cursed

[@Hammerhead547]

@KenzieRetro In Mania 9's case, it was more down to the card being shit because it was the first mania after the mass exodus of '92 when WWF lost almost their entire main event talent pool and they had to use mid carders too fill out the event so there wasn't really anything that could draw an audience.

[@99dndd]

Undertaker vs Giant Gonzales being a particular lowlight on that card.

[@christopherwall2121]

@@Hammerhead547 Not helped by Hulk Hogan, signed back in to attract more customers, only proceeding to bury what few main event guys they had at the time and once again take the title for himself.

[@Hammerhead547]

@@99dndd Along with hogan's title win.

[@Byronthegooner]

I love the music in the intro sir pure class and another good upload!! I truly wish you keep growing as I love your content!! Edit. P. S fallout new Vegas is fallout perfected I.m.o.

[@thomashasselberger7799]

As a jazz musician who also is an f1 fan, very cool to hear you differentiate jazz and swing music. They might be the same but you understand what youre talking about. Refreshing lol

[@AidanMillward]

I played mostly rock music in bands but love a bit of swing.

[@RexytheRexy]

Move over, Nevada ladies of the night: F1 is selling itself this weekend, and everyone's in for a ride. Thank you for feeding my upcoming-weekend disaster hype.

[@loganrock133]

Ticket prices are absurd, hotels are extorting the situation, and the track layout leaves lots to be desired. I’ll be grinning when this event fails.

[@alaeriia01]

Nice intro music.

[@AidanMillward]

Gotta have the swing for Vegas

[@alaeriia01]

@@AidanMillward Absolutely.

[@coachjoel9463]

Fresh! ❤

[@robmortimer4150]

Found out today that a DeTomaso Pantera I saw a few months back here in Sydney used to belong to Sinatra!

[@karlosh9286]

"won't that be a kick in the head" . Great rat pack Dino Martin reference there 😀

[@h.a.9880]

Turns out the new Las Vegas track is actually... pretty darn good. Good mix of slow and fast corners with enough straights to really get the ball rolling.

[@stephenbritton9297]

Should call it the "picture purchasing Piggybank." :) Sounds like everyone thought it was a great idea, until they saw the reality. Many in the US, even those familiar with US racing don't realize the order of magnitude difference between hosting a NASCAR or INDYCAR race vs an F1 race.

[@mattzegarski3831]

3:34 THE BOG!!!!! I grew up going to the IMSA and Vintage Cup weekends at The Glen. All of the grown ups talked about The Bog. The burning bus is LEGEND! I'm so glad it made it into this video!

[@didgereemedia194]

Video idea; Lesser know early circuits. I used to live off of what is called the Old Vale Circuit, and old course used by motorcycles in the early 20 century (circa 1920s-1930s) before Mount Panorama was built.

[@ForelliBoy]

At least back then there were more than 9 teams in the paddock And yes, I insist on counting both Red Bulls as one

[@marklittle8805]

The Bog wants a Bus....glad you referenced that Aidan. Watkins Glen is an awesome circuit...but it is a ways away from large centers. Two hours to Buffalo, 5 to Toronto, 6 to Boston , 3 to Albany, 7 to NYC. That moving to Vegas would have with the right circuit. Not that parking lot mess

[@LJW1912]

Whoa new intro music, love it

[@gringostarr69]

Oh, man. Wish they brought back the whole European calendar and some abroad. Also GRIDGIRLS. Golden days of F1 glamour was from mid 80' to let's say 2013..

[@AidanMillward]

I hadn’t even noticed the grid girls were gone.

[@RRaquello]

I remember watching these races way back when. I was a racing fan by then (IndyCar & NASCAR) and knew a little about F1 because it was sometimes on TV in the US in the early 70s, but the F1 races at Vegas & Detroit left me unimpressed. I thought what we had in the US was better and the rest of the world could keep F1. I remember actually switching the races off about halfway through, not caring how they came out and not knowing any of the drivers. CART also used to race in a car park in New Jersey at Giants Stadium. I think it was called the Meadowlands GP. I never went though it was close to where I lived. I knew people who did and they said I was smart to stay home and watch on TV.

[@mark4lev]

Driving a turbo car with a manual gearbox round a car park while sitting in an oven. What could possibly go wrong

[@IanRB26]

Ironically the start area where the new curcuit is, used to be a parking lot.

[@palm92]

Stardust Raceway was a proper old school West Coast American Circuit - very fast and wide open. Like Old Laguna Seca, Riverside, and current Willow Springs. Only Willow Springs remains.

[@leonbrooke5587]

thank you for referring to the track as Moomin-shaped - I was worried I was the only one to see it

[@princeip0s550]

Aidan you didn't mention that in 81 the Williams team intentionally sabotaged Reutemann's car. Ecclestone admitted to it in his bio documentary

[@AdamMGTF]

You can't fit everything in or it wouldn't be a KZbin video. It would be a book. 😂

[@siobhangear2866]

The oval layout produced exciting racing. Can't act otherwise when we have the footage.

[@edmundzelger7800]

I loved that Dean Martin reference 😂 12:22

[@palm92]

Watkins Glen was widely beloved by fans (including me.) and and I think Vegas was judged harshly against it. Rightfully so.

[@Dat-Mudkip]

This is the first I've heard about putting up film to stop people from getting a "free" view of the race. If such a thing was done at a track like Monaco, there would be riots!!

[@themarauder6108]

It's been going on for weeks. Tourists were peeling it off so they could photograph the landmarks, they've replaced all the film and now put caged fences over to stop people from doing it.

[@Dat-Mudkip]

@@themarauder6108 They want the sport to be popular in America, yet they are actively sabotaging the ability for people just to get a glimpse of the cars. Not only are you preventing potential new fans, but they're also making current fans angry and even leaving the sport entirely. Don't even get me started on them cutting down a bunch of trees because it "spoiled the view"...

[@frevazz3364]

Another thing that is pissing people off.

[@minibus9]

excelent video. Kind of feels like F1 has failed to learn the lessons of it's own history with the Veagas race

[@de-fault_de-fault]

I tend to think of Miami as the second coming of another planned F1 race that became a CART race (Meadowlands), except F1 was smart enough to abandon that one before it ever got off the ground. But think about it: an uninspiring street circuit around a football stadium on the outskirts of a major destination, trying to cash in on the cachet of a famous city without the hassles of actually trying to get a street circuit approved within the city. That's Miami, but it was also Meadowlands. So given that, repeating the Caesar's debacle is kind of on-brand.

[@mahiru20ten]

Or more like they want to redeem themselves by proving that second time's the charm

[@minibus9]

very true @@de-fault_de-fault

[@minibus9]

maybe @@mahiru20ten

[@RRaquello]

@@de-fault_de-fault I had a friend who went to one of the CART/IndyCar races at the Meadowlands. He was Columbian and wanted to support Roberto Guerrero. He described it as seeing five seconds of racing every two minutes.

[@noahkoz6873]

It’s a shame we’ll never get the classic American purpose built tracks in F1. Laguna Seca and Road America are both great tracks on the American opened wheeled calendar but won’t get on the schedule as is. Road America being too long and not having another space to build run off near the Kink and the best part of the track at Laguna Seca in the corkscrew being the issue there

[@scottpeters371]

Plus Road America would need the entire infield redone to house F1 usual garages and other facilities

[@TonySpike]

6:39 funnily enough i was doing a deep dive into this myself a few weeks back Not only was i surprised by how much has changed but i also worked out that the white building on the bottom left of the Cesars Palace site was where Wrestlemania 9 was held, back then it was an open air tennis court i think, dunno what it is now

[@HalianTheProtogen]

It's the Forum Shops now, if memory serves.

[@soundscape26]

Track videos are some of my favourites of yours. Super informative as always.

[@philkensebben157]

I know about Las Vegas via living there for a few years (I would highly suggest against doing this). Slight correction: While you are correct that Boulder City was a dry (no alcohol, prostitution, nor gambling) company/govt town, Las Vegas (the Strip is Paradise City for tax reasons) was mostly still a water stop on a Mormon trading road from Utah to California. It developed into what it is known for today because Boulder City was dry. Much like Pahrump became the de facto prostitution town because Clark County (home of Las Vegas and Boulder City) declared it illegal.

[@MrMcKane]

Is this the same car park where Wrestlemania 9 took place?

[@AidanMillward]

Yes.

[@tfrspeedo]

This is the epitome of F1, but backwards 🙃

[@photodave219]

I’m amazed that F1’s leadership didn’t understand that it gets COLD in the desert at night. Like…. HOW?!

[@PaperBanjo64]

You'd think Bahrain and all those mid eastern night races they'd have figured it out

[@gringostarr69]

Keke. My countryman and last cosworth "DFV" champion.

[@onenightblitz]

i always thought the new vegas gp looks like an upside-down pig or cow but this is the first time i heard it being moomin-shaped

[@DaCrow199]

This whole video was pretty ring-a-ding-ding, Aidan.

[@Nathan-qc4gz]

I appreciate you putting sources for the pictures you use :)

[@W123KartSport]

Love the new intro music

[@mrkipling2201]

The Vegas style intro music is a great idea!! I started watching F1 in 1984 as a young kid and I remember most of the races in that season. The one in Las Vegas is one I can't remember at all. Mind you, the title battle between Lauda and Prost, with Lauda winning the World Championship by half a point, overshadowed most of the actual races for me. Apart from Senna announcing himself as a future F1 legend and a definite World Champion at Monaco. F1 in America has never really taken off, certainly not when I was watching every race, which I did from 1984 to the end of 1996. Most of them live on television, occasionally just the highlights.

[@NonFlyiingDutchman]

there wasn't a Las Vegas F1 GP in 1984

[@mrkipling2201]

@@NonFlyiingDutchman probably why I don't remember it!! Lol 😂 It was my first season watching F1 and my memory is good most of the time but I have occasional lapses!!

[@Tuitaye]

Hey Aidan, do ya have a playlist of that jazz intro music? If so could you link 🙏

[@miguelcebriancarrasco1907]

Loved the New Vegas references in the end

[@charlesyoung6622]

Loving the Bruins hat Aiden! Keep up the great content

[@bettyschnauber8238]

My foreman is at Vegas this weekend and didn't know any thing about the race, Except that everything is shut down or very expensive. I laugh for free!

[@thepope9023]

Liked the new vegas reference.

[@NewbombTurk.]

Miles of empty desert....they decided to build it on the strip...

[@crusherbmx]

Having two races in places that are close together, but at opposite ends of the season, like Long Beach and Vegas, isn't that weird. Singapore and Malayasia are super close but the races were on either end of hte calendar...then there's the Middle Eastern races....Qatar, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi, Saudi Arabia....they are fairly close to each other, but all over the place on the caledar.

[@tomnewham1269]

That weirdness also happened for the Australian GP. The Australian F1 GP originally was held in Adelaide and it was the last race of the season. Then Adelaide lost the rights to the race and the race moved to Melbourne and at the same time the first race of the season switched to the Melbourne GP.

[@gofastandwynn]

The Greyhound bus fire at the Glen is not a rumor, there are pictures of its burnt out shell from the morning after.

[@stagger87]

Another Aidan Banger as usual, keep them coming mate! 🖤🇦🇺

[@darkalman]

You should do an episode on the 1982 season and the gong show that it was The Las Vegas GP happened The FISA FOCA war 2 drivers lost their lives Riccardo Paletti and the legendary Gilles Villeneuve, while his Ferrari teammate Didier Pironi had a career ending accident Keke Rosberg won championship with the odd stat of only having won a single race in the entire season Pironi was in 2nd place by 5 pts despite not being able to race for the last 5 races While the legendary Niki Lauda had returned to drive for McLaren ending in 5th place despite having no finished 9/16 races... and a little known french driver named Prost finished 4th 10 pts down from the champion in a woefully unreliable Turbo Renault despite not having finished 8/16 races that year... All the while getting boo'd by the French because he had beaten René Arnoux to which he replied "I guess the french don't like a winner"

[@edalder2000]

"Somewhere beyond the sea...."

[@jasonrushton5991]

Good one!

[@W123KartSport]

The amount of money that has already gone into this event will make sure that it is a "resounding success" even if the race is bad and the fans don't enjoy it. It is too big of an event for Liberty to ever say it was (if it is) a failure. The race is not important. The 'show' however...

[@patrickporter6536]

That's Liberty!

[@PaperBanjo64]

Liberty biberty! (Wrong company but still funny)

[@mehmarcus1995]

Business owners during the race weekend be like: "What in the goddamn?"

[@caio5987]

During the race? They’ve been facing disruption for several months there already

[@quietbatperson3115]

I've said it before and I'll say it again... The Caesars Palace Grand Prix, bought to you by the letter 'E'

[@calumclark1719]

I Never realised Laffite was that close to winning the title

[@theman13451]

I wonder how they would have faired at a street course like the Cleveland course from the CART series.

[@seanonraet8327]

Apparently ticket prices are plummeting because they haven't sold well at all

[@killakanzgaming]

@8:48 Had to do a double take, seeing Jacques Villeneuve on the scoreboard... Googling it, turns out it's not Gilles' son and 1997 champion, but instead Gilles' brother who did enter 3 F1 races in the early 80s but failed to qualify for any of them. The more you know...

[@Holden308]

Think about this. For 2 years ... Formula One, the most glamorous of all the motor sports ... basically raced in a convoluted car park. And why??? Money. Nothing more, nothing less. America has many wonderful race circuits. Watkins Glen, COTA, Laguna Seca, Mid Ohio, even Indy and Daytona. Yet COTA aside, they keep going to street circuits. Why?? again, nothing more and nothing less than money.

[@StarkRaven59]

Indy and CotA are the only two certified grade 1 tracks in the US. Mid-Ohio has nowhere near the facilities , surface or track safety to handle F1, Laguna Seca probably has paddock and runoff problems and the cars would race poorly there. Daytona actually has promise, but after the tire debacle from 2006, F1 is likely averse to ovals, plus the risky pit lane exit.

[@neuralfraud]

Nice hat.

[@stuartmiller7419]

If at first you don't succeed... ...learn from your mistakes, don't just repeat them, decades later, in pursuit of the same almighty dollar.

[@HTOP1982]

Car park gp? Casino gp? Monaco gp!

[@Glegh]

I was looking at your channels tab and i see you're subscribed to durex uk. Care to explain Aidan?

[@AidanMillward]

Banter.

[@markcaldwell5909]

oooooooooooooooooh new music!

[@chrisbrooks5635]

Great info, I appreciate all your homework. I've watched the races on F1 TV and they are very boring and looks miserable for the fans. Hot, dusty, and dirty.

[@jakewhite3508]

Wouldn't mind if the swing music stuck around for a bit...

[@matzemunz2827]

That certain something is called elevation

[@EmaenGD]

brooo what happened to my beloved Aiden Millward intro music

[@nickes6168]

Lia Block on Williams!? Possible video on the way....?

[@ChrisHopkinsBass]

Also the site of Wrestlemania IX

[@kendallbudlow8423]

Damn that intro music is top notch

[@PanDownTiltLeft]

JCM 900 behind you there?

[@Kam1Kaz3NL77]

12:23 I see what you did there :P

[@gandalf_thegrey]

its not like the track layout has become significantly better ....

[@mikewhitcomb6558]

I was living in Vegas at the time, me and a freind managed to sneak onto the roof of one of the flea bag hotels across the street. Got 20 or 30 minutes of viewing before we were busted

[@brianbob7514]

i wanted to go, it was way too expensive

[@magnussencube]

I just hope this new track is good.

[@Gordanovich02]

Probably best if F1's executives avoid cornfields for a while then.

[@ToroRosso20]

I'm an F1 Fan in the U.S. and well I do hope this fails. There are so many other tracks in Europe and other countries that can host a grand prix, COTA is the only true good circuit on the U.S. calendar.

[@StarkRaven59]

CotA is the only real circuit on the US calendar, full stop. That's the problem. The other two events are tourist traps to separate fools from their money, and give them heat exhaustion.

[@MONSTERxMIRAGE]

ceasars place gp looks like qatar’s track

[@bart-janvanlangen]

10 seconds in... What's this music? Is it here to stay?

[@jonnyspa27]

It's like whoever headed this deal has forgotten the basic tenants of business. Yes, promote and be enthusiastic. No, don't take IMS & Indianapolis 500's tagline, and put a switcheroo on it before the first wheel has turned. Build a solid value platform and have a good chunk created for VIP's? NAH, make the event stratospherically priced so it not only outprices well off fans, but looks like they're only catering to the top 1% and EFF ALL after that. There was a way to do the glitz of Vegas w/out pissing off all the locals and looking like complete arrogant pricks, but they went for it in the first event. I hope someone has sense enough to make adjustments to all of this for year #2.

[@ergoproxy-gx2cq]

12:18 eeeeeey i know that reference 👉

[@charliehill8068]

NEW INTRO SONG

[@cypher50]

This is going to be such a stupid waste since F1 is treating this the same way boxing and MMA treats Vegas (high ticket prices, catering to high rollers, making this inaccessible for normal fanatics). If you need a spectacle to look good on television then the race has to be PACKED no matter what time it is; having celebrities at the track will garner a few casual fans the first go around but it isn't going to hold the rest of our attention for the next ten years. I rather have had F1 go back to Long Beach, head to the NYC area somehow (Monticello Motor Club in the Catskills could be a great spot), or just live with two US races than fuck up in Vegas again.

[@RRaquello]

Why does anybody watch anything because "celebrities" are there?

[@mahiru20ten]

​​@@RRaquellofans will follow where their idols are going, simple as that. Like how NFL seems to cash in the fact that Taylor Swift is dating Travis Kelce right now