The Card Game Within A Card Game - The Unknown Side of Yugioh

[@maxdabest32]

my favourite reference in Flower Cardians is how their suits are based on the months of a full year, which refers to the amount of time it takes to perform the Flower Cardian combo

[@ShyRanger]

Another fun reference, less with the cards and more with the anime, is that Hanafuta at a time was illegal in Japan due to strict gambling laws. And in the anime Chojiro is first found in prison and uses the deck for power rather than fun. While the whole "power instead of fun" is a common villain thing in Yugioh, it's especially neat to see that used for gambling vs just playing a card game, and link a once-illegal card game to a man imprisoned.

[@sakon9819]

"hana futa" Idk if it was on purpose but its funny

[@starjadiancloneinvestigato1772]

autocorrect just snitched on him LOL

[@pastelroswell]

​@@starjadiancloneinvestigato1772 snitched on himself for having good taste in women

[@DIESEL-SAVES-LIVES]

The solitaire archetype

[@cancerstinks1]

It’s not solitaire, it’s Hanafuda

[@williamdrum9899]

Blight: "Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?"

[@1slayer959]

Hey atleast cardians own it. And you can atleast fight back when they're done. Unlike most meta decks that are also solitair

[@UfodexENMD]

I've made this deck in master duel and legit named it solitaire lol

[@zdelrod829]

Hanafuda, not Solitaire.

[@Netherwolf6100]

Shout out to all the fans who were able to find the old cards this series references and put them on yugioh wiki. True heroes.

[@daltronius]

Man i feel like pine has to have an analog somwwhere that we just havent found yet, its the only one so far without a referenced card

[@R500evoL]

I unironically love the Flower Cardian archetype. So much so, that I bought actual Hanafuda cards after I bought the deck. It is so much fun to play. But GOD FORBID SOMEONE HIT YOU WITH THE DROLL & LOCK BIRD and just ruin your sunday locals

[@Lds198]

It's so sad... Especially when you can't even run hand traps of your own because it ruins consistency. They need an in-archetype handtrap of their own

[@Killshotarcher]

In master duel I decked out an opponent cause they maxx c me lol.

[@cronqvist5763]

I fucking LOVE Cardians. Gotta be my favorite "trash" fun deck.

[@starjadiancloneinvestigato1772]

what a unique archetype, you don't see these kinds of cards anymore

[@zachi2fox246]

I lowkey want more cardian support, though an archetype that is legit playing it's own game probably wouldn't get much hype

[@G0nzaloCoronel]

Closest thing we got is valyantz acting like a board game

[@kochiyamochiya]

​@@G0nzaloCoronelToo bad it ended up being just fossil dyna and secret village turbo

[@MaxWeb2599]

I remember the deck fondly, because when I taught my nephew Yugioh it was his first complete Archetype deck he used.

[@GunnarWahl]

Flowercardians is a deck who's win state is lowering your opponents will to live.

[@stormvongola]

Special summon Boar Soldier and activate Reverse Trap so that the ATK decrease becomes an ATK increase of 1,000 per opponent's monster until the end of the turn. Turn it into an INSANE beatstick.

[@alexanderrobins7497]

It looks like the attack boost would last only one turn though if I am understanding the wording correctly, but it is an interesting strategy. Although reading Reverse Trap again, it would be hilarious to pair it with Light and Darkness Dragon, especially if you and/or your opponent try to combo effects like crazy.

[@stormvongola]

@alexanderrobins7497 Yeah. Reverse Trap only lasts until the end of the turn but the fact is you can still do some pretty "left-field" combos with older cards like these. Speaking of Light and Darkness, that's getting an updated retrain soon too but the effect feels like it sucks more than the original.

[@gericjohnm.olivar9563]

Me seeing their boss monster animation in Master Duel: *Well that was random*

[@justinjakeashton]

The Fortune Lady player summoning Moonflowerviewing for the 6th time:

[@blitzer25blitz62]

while the Lightflare or Lightshower still waiting for their animation...

[@archangelamber666]

Wait, what’s the joke (not familiar with MD animations)

[@D-Havoc]

I never really thought about it but Flower Cardian Zebra Grass with Moon seems to be referencing not just The Wicked Avatar itself, but what this sphere form represents. The Winged Dragon of Ra is the embodiment of the Sun. So it's Evil God counterpart seems to be the embodiment of the Moon.

[@Birginio420]

i think it looks more like an eclipsed sun

[@kumakun17]

For the Naruto fans, Boardfly being based on the boar, butterfly, and deer is know as the Ino-Shika-Cho combo. I'll let you figure out the reference.

[@samw6414]

“for the naruto fans” “i’ll let u figure out the reference” let me guess. is it a reference to dragon ball?

[@pont1695]

i feel that the absence of the sake bowl is quite odd when you take into account how impactful it is youve also forgotten the archetypal spell cards !

[@igotnolife96]

ive been playing flower cardian on master duel since release and i never even noticed there were other cards in the artwork, was really cool to find this out thanks for the video

[@martinmespiespinosa7218]

8:27 it was supposed to be a target for Marauding Captain, LVL 3 Earth Warrior Type monster, that protects other warriors from attacks, and when normal summoned, special summon a LVL 4 monster from your hand.

[@DetectiveBarricade]

Except Boar Soldier came out in Spell Ruler, well before Marauding Captain. And as a beast-warrior, doesn't benefit from Marauding Captain's protection. And I can think of better level 4 or lower monsters to summon than one that's usually going to be a mere 1000 attack. (Boar Soldier's attack is reduced by 1000 if the opponent controls at least one monster)

[@Sai1523]

I liked flower cardians in the anime so much that I tried learning to play hanafuda for a time after

[@lithsgamecorner7108]

L + Ratio + 100 atk killed me

[@Amia_the_Smol]

Can't imagine Avramax made it out alive either

[@jasperjavillo686]

I’m more caught off guard by the Xenoblade quote. World Legacy’s backstory is basically Xenoblade 1.

[@Tsubatt]

I'm so glad someone caught the joke 😂

[@waltercardcollector]

@@jasperjavillo686 Omg yes you're right, it is! Loooool

[@hackebeilhaus]

i had some fun and tried to guess which card was referenced before you revealed it. Thanks for the fun TheDuelLogs from TheDuelLogs youtube channel!

[@jonathan-6958]

I played against a buddy using flower cardians. By the 4th monster effect there was souch text it was kind of a drag to read the new cardian hes gonna popoff with

[@witchy90210]

You kind of do just have to remember what each one needs to summon itself. I play this in masterduel and i just look at the picture and what card is glowing.

[@AwesumVloggin]

part of the strategy of flower cardians is hoping my opponent either doesn't know the deck or gives up on reading them as I do stuff

[@daltronius]

​@@AwesumVloggintruish, tho they arent super complex, you can memorize them in about 1 game if u play them, against them its about 3 if you pay attention

[@AeroDragon2]

This was honestly pretty fascinating I gotta say

[@Protect_all_ljf3forms]

Those have insane long turns of the same combo like 10x that end on 2 easily outed monsters

[@Amsel_616]

Me activating Synch Realm before going nuts:

[@CaptainJLinebeck]

The first time I ever faced a Flower Cardian deck in MD, I had to wait for several minutes for my opponent to do something, then I used Ultimate Conductor Tyranno to just wipe their board immediately. I do love the artwork of these cards though.

[@melcasucre2971]

Frankly i cannot believe i learned most of the game playing this deck in 2018 How What was going on inside my mind

[@co2brothers760]

Flower cardians are cool

[@Mother_Harlot]

I main them both in TCG and Master Duel, and it is extremely underestimated. Virtually immune to handtraps and the strongest GY lock in the gate as a lingering effect (can't be negated), also protected field from destruction and targetting while all have really high ATK (also 2 s/t negates)

[@r3zaful]

Inoshikacho gy lock and ame protection is kinda bonkers tbh, sadly this deck need a better card to protect Inoshikacho from destruction

[@Gameact3]

8:35 - I mean, Boar Soider is a Beast-Warrior type, which could be useful in a Tri-Brigade deck since that’s one more material in the GY to Link Summon.

[@TLG_Daception]

You’re playing the wrong game!

[@oracle222]

10:48 never thought I would see Xenoblade crossed with Yugioh

[@BourbonBoy97]

Let's go! A video on my favorite archetype!

[@TheDjdeath45]

We need more support for these guys

[@andreaseverin1346]

We need a spell or even a series of spells with another effect that activates when drawn by a Flower Cardian effect - to search or extend combos

[@ThatOneWeirdFlex]

​@@andreaseverin1346Ursarctic Radiation?

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

0:24 what's Hanafuda 17:57 I can SEE Konami making the "sake cup" Card, but With Mooyan Curry instead

[@imnotyourdaddyimyour001]

Mooyan Curry on a Forbidden Chalice/Droplet

[@davidpotts7116]

I’m personally surprised they never released the Sake Cup cards. It’d be a perfect opportunity to show a Lonefire Blossom in the middle of exploding in a chrysanthemum-style firework

[@Birginio420]

nah, they'll censor the s*it out of it cause it references alcohol

[@kingjaries]

Wow that was interesting, I never paid too much attention to this archetype to identify it as a different original card game

[@infinityfactorial]

It's such a fun deck to play that I just wish that it did... something.

[@abrahamhwang1422]

I attempted a pure Flower Cardian deck. It really tests if you truly believe in the heart of the cards; otherwise, you will usually lose. Ironically Ash Blossom blocks a lot of plays, including the cherry blossom cardians.

[@mapeus]

Only regular cherry, since it tributes for cost and is a soft once per turn, but cherry with curtain is not even a once per turn, so you just activate it again I believe In regards to ashing cardians in general, ash seems to just negate a single topdeck/card draw which is not all that important except maple with deer or clover with boar where not getting the pop may matter or if you don't have enough gas to keep going It's actually way better to imperm/veiler a tuner imo, because the summoning mechanics of cardian synchros always involve the effect of a tuner to make all the cardians be level 2 for the summon (with the rare exception of topdecking exactly 1 tuner and 2 non-tuners via super koi koi) and you get the card draw negate as an added bonus

[@pi_xi]

​@@mapeus Correct. I always laugh about people who try to ash Cherry Blossom with Curtain.

[@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor]

YuGiOh is magnificent in its self referential nature. I can't think of a single game that is so openly self referential outside of Un-sets in MTG, and even then, they still don't break the forth wall as much as YuGiOh. Hearthstone in universe is a game played, but even it doesn't reference this fact *on the cards.* Only in YuGiOh are cards depicted in other cards. Look at Card Destruction for example, its flavour stems from the fact that it depicts a card game. You aren't dropping a lightning bolt on the field or sucking it into a black hole, you are playing a card which in terms of narrative is you throwing your hand away and drawing new cards. I'm certain that this is because of YuGiOh's nature stemming from it being a game created for the protagonists to play, it is a part of the narrative, not *the* narrative. But still, no other card game so openly displays the fact it is a card game in its flavour.

[@khuntsunagi7573]

I loved using this archetype in master duel,just going first and making my opponent watch me play solitaire for 5 minutes while i summon exodia

[@javis999]

I didn't know about this game until I watched summer wars.

[@ginger_queen8108]

flower cardians are the only archetype i think that has made me consider getting into yugioh. it's such a cool concept and it sounds like they executed it perfectly.

[@vla1ne]

They need just 1 link 1 monster & maybe 2 more spells/traps, and the deck would pop off insanely.

[@ginger_queen8108]

@@vla1ne for sure! and some more generic cards with good GY effects for them to take advantage of. turn the flower cardian's "xenophobia" into an asset

[@TURBO1000YuGiOh]

That's so cool. I never noticed the card references on the Flower Cardian cards. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

[@MrSC219]

One minute in and I understand more about Flower Cardians than when I played it in Legacy of the Duelist. Kudos to you.

[@faereman]

10:47 Nice Xenoblade reference.

[@jasperjavillo686]

Especially since World Legacy lore was basically Xenoblade 1.

[@ZackeroniAndCheese]

Really cool references in the art!

[@bamstarful]

Boar Soldier with 'Inverse Universe' all increases/decrease of a set amount(no half stuff) in reverse so that negative 1000 becomes plus 1000 to equal 3000atk

[@adhamwashere5320]

Every time i watch yugioh videos, i learn about an archetype I've never heard of before

[@GlitchyGamer64]

YESSSS. I'm so glad someone did this, Flower Cardians are my JAM.

[@aminy529]

On the god the thought put into designing the art work is much greater than the thought put into designing the effects

[@Linty_Deluxe]

Good video. I love my Flower Cardian Deck. Also, the Green Background at 7:45 has strange flickering. Looping issue, I assume.

[@lazza9857]

You just made a video about my favorite archetype of all time... AND you made a Xenoblade Chronicles reference, aka one of my favorite games of all time. My life is now complete

[@benedu3450]

this is a good change of pace from failure and depression.

[@jonribeiro266]

I thought this was gonna be about cards that make you play another game within Yu-Gi-Oh, like how Magical Hats make you basically play Three Card Monty

[@fxlja]

Next idea for The Unknown Side: Cyberse monsters and their references to modern technology. There's a ton of those, my bet is the video will be at least 40 minutes long

[@jamesaditya5254]

Another fun fact, the boar-deer-butterfly combo in Japanese is ino-shika-chou. You might be familiar with that name if you're a fan of a certain ninja-themed anime

[@waltercardcollector]

Omg, is the quote on Avramax at 10:49 from Xenoblade? I love Xenoblade!

[@pketr5]

What i'm hearing is that it is possible for cardian to get more cards?

[@dadriangreen6179]

This was the most unknown of all the unknown. Great stuff Mr logs.

[@chrisshorten4406]

One archetype I think you can cover would be Rikka. Most people forget how many cards are in the archetype because they usually only see a handful played in the Sun Avalon hybrid decks.

[@Tattybirch96]

A yes, cardians. I remember when someone (in master duel) used all three negates of their apollousa on my copy of curtains.

[@echo.romeo.]

17:58 I think it's really weird that you said "snake cup" twice, and then make the correction if "sake cup" right after. Additionally, there is a reference to the sake cup. It's in the left hand of Flower Cardian Moonflowerviewing.

[@otterfire4712]

I think you can use Boar Soldier in Mekklords as his self destruction effect can trigger the Mekklords to summon themselves. Supply Unit also yields you a draw off of this.

[@toumabyakuya]

Could you please do a similar video for the Chronomaly and Ancient Treasure archetypes? Not only do I find the references to real life unique, but I also like how the latter got revamped into the former.

[@christopherarclight7917]

I love these cards, but it's hell to learn. Tried it once, never again.

[@mekahans3678]

For those whoever play this deck You guys a madlad, i appreciate the fact that you guys understand how to play this card game inside card game

[@RayadayaG]

Poison Draw Frog is there because of lightshowers effect to inflict damage on draw... essentially poison while drawing.

[@benjystrauss2524]

@8:35: Boar Soldier has a use is Meklords if one doesn't have Playful Possum. Not really any more uses than that.

[@Reflecter16]

Loved this archetype, even though it doesn't do much outside of dueling with friends.

[@kossur10]

If they didn't have a specific restriction this would be a crazy exodia deck

[@chiropteran2966]

Id say do Cubics but 80% of wins by using them is that people dont know what they do and refuse to read, id like to keep it that way.

[@Shiptoast0]

Man i LOVE flower cardians. One of my favorite decks

[@DarkCT]

this is one of my top 3 favorite archetypes, and probably as combo heavy as I get. Shame the deck blows back on me frequently, before i even have to deal with my opponent. the amount of times ive tried to work out a cardian hand and can't because I open on all bricks, or each attempt to draw results in hitting multiple non- cardian monsters in a row.

[@jhinslejhindarymusic7519]

Boar was a perfect card for a meklord emperor deck back then

[@Azrayel488]

for the next videos of " The Unknown Side of YU-GI-OH " some ideas would be : "The Multiverse of Timelines" in which you explain the story of Dai Grepher , D.D. Warrior Lady and Warrior of Zera . As for Dai we got a card in Legacy of Destruction named " Double Dai " . " Cards that mention in their text cards that don't exist yet " example include Virtual world 4th gate , Chamber Dragonmaid dragon form , Nekroz Trap card , Crystron spell card , etc

[@blitzer25blitz62]

this is my anti maxx c deck in master duel, if pulled off, Cardians+Card Destruction combo deckout ur opponent faster than pure Runick could dream of

[@kingscourge6031]

Even after this explanation I still have no idea how to play flower cardians other than try to make a huge @$$ monster with 5000 atk and is an omni-negate

[@ONIGIRIKINGU]

Its a deck where you make synchro monsters and burn opponent with synchro zone spell then end on a 5k beatstick

[@madsvigan2898]

Flower cardian where perfect for master duel. No one knows what they do, so when the oppenent uses Maxx c you win. As the deck can summon well over 40 times. In a single turn

[@xfluffytraxy4996]

I learned so much in this episode. I love it. Keep it up moon spider ❤

[@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire]

Idea for a “Flower Cardian” field spell that can help the archetype’s strengths: *_Flower Garden_* (🪄) *_Field Spell_* _Cannot be Destroyed or Targeted by your opponent’s card effects while you control a face-up “Flower Cardian” monster with 2000 or more Original ATK or DEF. There is no limit to your hand size. You can normal summon/set “Flower Cardian” monsters without limits. During turns you control this face-up card, you cannot Special Summon monsters Face-Up, except “Flower Cardian” monsters. Once per turn, during either players turn, if you summon a “Flower Cardian” monster or add a card to your hand by the effect of a “Flower Cardian” monster you control: You can excavate the top card of your deck, and if it mentions “Flower Cardian” in it’s name or text, add it to your hand, otherwise Banish it._

[@SAMURIADI]

just the monsters and not the spell traps that explain how to play the game?

[@blacklady6098]

10.49 expect with superheavy samurai monsters and gaia plate the earth giant cause it halves avatars attack until the end phase.

[@GutiTheJ]

Wait youre not talking about the maxx c mini game?

[@TheFizio]

This feels hard to say, but Flower Cardians peaked in ARC-V.

[@Cool-rx2ry]

I always wanted to know about flower cardian Thank you been here since 9 likes

[@paulmann8570]

“That’s no moon.” Wait, when did this turn into a Kozmo video?

[@TaLeng2023]

I wish we have the synchros in DL so I can actually play them. Problem is the deck size (30 md, 8 ed) and the board itself (3 mmz).

[@dDeckon]

As someone who Learned Koi-Koi from the Yakuza Games{and is one more the more Broken ways to earn a lot of money}: I have a New found Respect for these cards

[@ibrahiymmuhammad4773]

Wait, I was waiting for this one

[@herohut725]

This jankie deck is just too fun to play with. I called my deck "Not Summer Wars, Okay The Digimon movie"

[@thedoomkiller3178]

Flower Cardian are like Arcana Force or the Archfiend OG chesspiece There is unique concept, with an official limited pool possible, but they don't create all of them

[@stonalisa3729]

Such a cool concept.

[@Anon_Spartan]

I feel so cultured now. I'm glad Yugioh still does goofy stuff like this.

[@negate-07]

im in shamble how could duel logs forget the card that reverses atk in/de-crease ,bear soldier is a 3000 atk and the sub replay featuring him can't come sooner

[@eerieeric834]

I love those cards so much

[@TheHeroofJustice]

Wicked Avatar is level 11 confirmed

[@TotallyNotThatOneGuy]

One of my main goof decks in master duel. Blowing through your whole deck in a turn will never not be fun

[@HazhMcMoor]

I only play this deck against AI so far, still waiting for someone I hate enough to troll with this deck.

[@maskofthedragon]

9:45 AMOGUS

[@joshuawenninger9346]

I don't understand why more people don't use infinite summon and restock decks like this one to abuse the time rules and get an easy game one match win with a well placed sparks like effect or life gain effect right before time is called.

[@Futurevoiceactor]

Boar Soldier can bring out Meklords?

[@ittirutak1058]

What sleeve would you recommend?

[@nubocerbo]

Playing a card game within a card game is as meta as it gets

[@thewafflepan4538]

Why is the flower cardian version of giant trunade so creepy

[@sharlockshacolmes9381]

So those are cards in a game that represent other cards in an other game that themselves make references to other cards in the first game?

[@KingKirby-jp4zd]

Cardians are playable in dl when you ban any playable cards