The Cardinals Offense is Inexplicably Bad

On episode #15 of "Low Hanging Fruit" Charlie Marlow & Brenden Schaeffer analyze the St. Louis Cardinals!
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[@turdferguson9373]

The headline of this video should be: “Tommy Pham was right”. He called out the front office 10 years ago saying they weren’t developing talent and giving the right guys opportunities. The BFIB rolled their eyes as Mo showed Pham the door, because the team was still riding high then. But it turns out, he was right.

[@michaelallen1154]

@turdferguson9373 - Bro, that sounds like a book title.

[@bradmccurdy6125]

Tommy “Rod Tidwell” Pham ruined his future when he did that Sports Illustrated interview. He pushed himself out of town. Hes not a star. Maybe if he could control his own ego, and realize no one held him down, he might be a happier person. In his own mind he is a hall of famer.

[@ACErob-me9ss]

Man if the Cardinals were half as good as these videos they'd be undefeated. Absolutely great job gentlemen

[@CharlieMarlowSTL]

thx ACE!

[@robertcrist5747]

Yup! Love the different views

[@MrGgabber]

We redid the pitching last off-season. Now we just need to redo the entire offense and we will be good!

[@CharlieMarlowSTL]

haha

[@robertcrist5747]

.......We'd be fine if this Coach and friends was gone and we had another solid starter......But this organization rewards last place with contract extensions now. 😑👈

[@carryparavello7722]

Think about this Carpenter, Wainwright, Pujols & Molina were already on the team before Mozeliak got the job and he has yet to prove he can establish core players he only proved he can tinker with a core that was gifted to him so my point is how much credit does he actually deserve for that 2011 championship and the 4 good years after that?

[@userAsh2125]

Exactly they pushed out Tony so they could have a manager who takes lineups and orders from the front office.

[@tonyc8752]

Mo took the team over 2008 and in 2022 he was still relying on Waino, Yadi and Pujols to carry the team. even in 2022, Jocketty was still more responsible for the division title than Mo

[@robertcrist5747]

Walt Jockerty Baby!

[@henketooraw]

Entire rosters don’t just all underperform at the same time unless there is major catastrophe in coaching

[@ACErob-me9ss]

💯

[@robertcrist5747]

ABSOLUTELY! This experiment should be over.....But they give last place extensions these days?

[@henketooraw]

@@robertcrist5747 Mo should start trying to save face and can Oli. Pin the blame on him. Worst case scenario it lights a fire under a player’s ass, we all know this team could use an energy boost

[@scottsmith2687]

Totally agree 👍

[@YouMama1777]

Can we finally have Winn hit lead off now? Let the dude hit doubles and steal in front of Burelson. Arenado. Contreras.

[@robertcrist5747]

Right. I'm not a fan, but I'd go Rah Rah Brittlebar behind Winn because even though he's slumping now.....He does draw walks. Contreras hitting two is a joke because "Yes" he does hit bombs.....But he strikes out alot too.

[@YouMama1777]

@@robertcrist5747 my ideal would would ... Winn. Burelson. Arenado. Contreras ... Gorman. Goldy ... then stack Noot Donovan Siani ... yoi have speed in the one. Contact in the 2 and 3 ... power in the 4 and 5 ... guys who can walk in Goldy Noot and Donovan in front of Siani ... who can move them over ... so maybe you also get guys on base in front of Winn and Burelson.

[@greatone275]

​@@robertcrist5747what is wrong with his lineup ? He's got Contreras hitting on the cleanup spot

[@stephenboehm5185]

This is much deeper than Oli (not an Oli fan). This has to be an approach /development issue. There needs to be a purge of this front office.

[@michaelallen1154]

@stephenboehm5185 - I made this comment in reply to another post, but here it is again... "this organization does _not_ have the personnel with the ability to forensically analyze their players."

[@georgesouthwick7000]

Hey, the offense might suck this year, but we have lots of “veteran leadership”. That has really made a big difference……lol

[@BrianB123]

You know why we “needed” veteran leadership? Cause it’s cheaper than a leadoff hitting CF, lefty power bat or a top of the rotation piece that misses bats.

[@michaelallen1154]

Our two veteran infielders Goldie and 'Nado are not leaders in any sense of the word. And they are also not clutch at all.

[@enoughisenough3710]

I would have traded Goldschmidt in the offseason but other than yet - yeah, it's pretty shocking so far how bad this team has been.

[@robertcrist5747]

He would have to approve it. No trade clause.

[@billbayes3261]

Charlie, I've got questions. What is the general overall attitude of the players in the dugout during the games? Are they all working together and encouraging each other? Is this something that you think they're going to break out of or is this going to continue for the remainder of the season?

[@CharlieMarlowSTL]

I'm not at the games but they just gotta hit!

[@billbayes3261]

@@CharlieMarlowSTL yes!! That's what they get paid to do! They need to stop the strikeouts and put the ball in play!

[@bschaeffer12]

The word from Oli has been a lot of encouraging conversation in the dugout. Take that for what it is worth but that's what has been described by not only Oli but a number of players, when asked.

[@greatone275]

No bunting, working the count, stolen bases, hit and run, sacrifices, typical baseball

[@robertcrist5747]

.......Still on the Marmol train Greatone? Cause its not going to happen with him. "Station to Station" for this guy means "Uber to Uber". 😑👈

[@greatone275]

@@robertcrist5747 you have me confused, I've never been on the Oli train name one time that I've defended him ? My comments have been simple which is players are paid to play and some things like hitting are not in his control, you are responsible for the things you control right? You of all people as a military man should know this

[@TheJenargo]

As a history nerd I appreciate Brenden's triumvirate name for the end of the bullpen. Gave me a good chuckle.

[@drubizzy]

All those dudes working for Mo when things were going good went to work for the Astros and we see where the Astros have been for the past decade trash can banging not withstanding. Also now there’s no TLR and maybe more importantly no Yadi.

[@eddiejenkins7613]

If no pitching it effecte the off fence it gets in there head

[@ScottyPeabody]

No no no BSchaeff, they’ll NEVER win the Arozarena trade. Dude won the ROTY. LCS MVP. Should’ve won WS MVP, Almost won WS by himself. His postseason OPS over 128 PA’s in 5 seasons is 1.103. If he never gets another hit the rest of his career we got stroked. Enjoy the 2 of you very much.

[@bschaeffer12]

Not win it! Just would hate it less if Libby becomes World Series mode of Andrew Miller in relief.

[@patguido5810]

Could it be Mo has known he’s going to be done soon so his time and effort looking into these players or trying to find great deals has dipped significantly? Performing to keep/succeed in your job is a completely different mindset then knowing your job performance doesn’t matter much anymore as the end is coming either way.

[@drewpballs2276]

Just when you think the Cardinals might be turning it around, they seem to take a step back.

[@Mizzou1722]

I think what hurts that no one really talks about is the draft. You have so many years of drafting poor, as is pick 20+. That adds up. high draft picks help

[@georgesouthwick7000]

And all we hear is what a god job Randy Flores is doing. I’d hate to think how bad things would be if he was doing a bad job. The Cardinals rarely make a good draft choice, and when they do, they do a terrible job of developing young talent.

[@deedunn1989]

Baseball is the one sport where draft pick is probably one of the least important. The draft is so long and deep you can find talent anywhere. You just have to evaluate it

[@Mizzou1722]

@@deedunn1989 ask Baltimore and Cincinatti, Pittsburgh, heck even Miami. it is easier tell how good a Pual Skenes is going to be then a Tink hence. And i am just talking about Farm system and High caliber prospects.

[@charliesmith4229]

Charlie, because the dewitts are low ballers when it comes to trades and acquisitions. Facts.....I just think and want the dewitts to sell the team as well as its library. It's time ⏲️. This team is like watching 👀 paint dry and as exciting as having a root canal surgery without a pain killer. You guys are awesome, and congratulations on all your success

[@nickelliott1174]

Looks like a low scoring series this weekend, so it will probably be 10 to 8 every game.😃

[@samemtp]

Charlie, I know I always say fire Marmol, but you guys finally have made me realize that because of the Tyler O'Neill fiasco, that is solid why he should be fired.

[@ScottyPeabody]

If u think there’s any chance at all, and I don’t think there is, but if u think they could have a 360 degree turnaround I’d keep Crawford. He’s probably going to get back into shape. If they release him the Dodgers will pick him up and he’ll win WS MVP. Y’all touched on a LOT that demands much much more exploration. Right now, let’s level with each other here: the St. Louis Cardinals are broken. Their farm system isn’t even Top 20, their team isn’t even Top 25, their payroll is Top 10. This is a mess. There’s TOO MUCH that needs fixing that isn’t going to happen this year or maybe the next several. How can Randy Flores be a hot candidate for Moz job when you look at the farm system presently? How can anyone in the F.O. even be able to anticipate being here next year?

[@robertcrist5747]

The Crawford thing was a joke right?

[@bschaeffer12]

Hour long podcast and we left much to be discussed! That's how much yall wanna hear about the Birds! lol

[@charliesmith4229]

Wow, wait a second. Charlie, did Dewitt really say that his brand isn't profitable? Seriously! He bought the Cardinals from the Busch family for 175 million in 1996 and it's now worth 3.4 billion--- am I missing something here? Cheers man!

[@CharlieMarlowSTL]

he said it on Frank's show a few years ago!

[@charliesmith4229]

@@CharlieMarlowSTL .. unbelievable my friend

[@user-rh2ru2hz4y]

Allen Craig his contract and non recovery from injury. Since then this team has been relying on luck. Built good enough for so many years, trading away the future to band aid those teams for hopes of a playoff run, miracle, year in and year out. What could have been if mo knew how to rebuild and did it in the mid teens.

[@gei2z]

You talk about Crawford, but did we see Matt Carpenter in action anywhere already? I forget.

[@CharlieMarlowSTL]

Gei! Carp is hurt

[@gei2z]

@@CharlieMarlowSTL Ah yes. Good point

[@ryancairns139]

One small credit to Mo: the Romero for Edmundo Sosa trade is looking solid. I didn't care at the time but Romero is killing it right now

[@dillonhatfield7724]

Good/bad teams are not made in 1 offseason. Back to back bad teams are DEFINITLY not made in 1 offseason. This team is a decade in the making. Asking "what should Mo have done last offseason?" is 5 off-seasons late. "Alcantara and Gallen didnt get good looks" is not a good defense of the FO. Throw Hicks in to the discussion and Mo has traded away 3 top end starters before giving them a chance.

[@hspg]

We did better developing hitters than pitchers. Arozarena, Garcia, and O'Neill call came through our minor league system. Arozarena and Garcia never had much playing time before traded, and they couldn't keep O'Neill healthy at all.

[@BrianB123]

Great show. Listening to what you had to say it seems like the Cards are always trying to do things different from everyone else to succeed. If the league is trending to lefty power, we put together a lineup without any. If the league is trending to power pitching, we turn to soft throwing contact guys. It seems the Cards either think they’re smarter than everyone else or it’s just the cheaper way to do business. Either way, it isn’t fun as a fan all of the sudden. We’ve lowered our expectations as fans because it appears they’ve lowered theirs in the front office.

[@CharlieMarlowSTL]

yes Brian, thx!

[@chrisweidner4768]

“They almost won the series.” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😳🤮Indeed. Yesterday. Bases loaded. Nobody out. K, K, K. Hoping this ends soon. Go Cardinals. “People are being fair about it.” True. Weary of the approach. These guys make millions of dollars. We are back in full excuse mode. Matz should have been ramped up prior to spring training.

[@michaelallen1154]

Brendan, you mentioned Grichuk, and I'm going to tell you why he's one of my favorite players in recent Cardinals history. On defensive, he is perfectly capable. His offensive output has never been phenomenal, but he's been consistently average, and that is better than _anybody_ in the current StL lineup! His "hills and valleys" aren't as severe as other players too. In fact, for about a week last year, Grichuk had the highest season OBP for the NL, and that included above Luis Arraez from the Marlins. I've never thought Grich's bat was all that powerful - his swing is ugly as dog$hi+ and if he would spend an off-season in the Lou' and go see Aaron Judge's coach across town in St. Pete, he'd be phenomenal and that's because he can literally put a bat on any goddamned ball close to the zone - even if he doesn't barrel super well - it's his f_¢kin eyes that kept him in the major leagues, not his swing - but he can contact. As a result, Grich' won't "Tony Gwynn" his team in a pinch by refusing to swing and just taking a walk, despite who is coming up behind him in the lineup. Jack Clark thought Tony Gwynn was a piece of $hi+ when he played in SD b/c of Gwynn's obsession with his own numbers, instead of getting after a close pitch and trying to put a ball in play to advance runners. If Grich' played the Tony Gwynn game, he'd probably have a near .400 every year. But with 0 or 1 outs, the guy will slap at the ball to put it in play and move guys over.

[@Noosh_]

I'm putting a ton of blame on Turner Ward and whatever his hitting philosophy is. Obviously he's not telling them not to hit but he's also obviously not telling them the right adjustments to make either. And something that would point towards it being a coaching problem is the hitting woes being a team wide problem. It's not just a couple players struggling or an aging player here and there it's a hitting mentality and philosophy problem at the core. It's on the players to perform but it's on the hitting coach to identify adjustments and set forth the game plan at the plate and Turner Ward is failing at that job.

[@userAsh2125]

I was a big Lane Thomas guy thought with actual playing time he could be a very solid outfielder. You guys were talking about the players norms I believe the first 2 seasons these young guys have aren’t the norms it’s the seasons of average to below average play after the honeymoon phase wears off and that’s been a problem going back to David Craig. Not to mention all those young gun pitchers from 2012-2016 whose drop offs were unexplainable. As for O’Neil personally I would have moved him a couple years ago maybe could’ve got something for him It’s undeniable now all us guys calling for MO’s head were right no championships since the HOF manager was pushed out for this current model of just happy being a wildcard contender because it fills the seats.

[@homespuncovers89]

Just like pitchers get mound visits to talk things over maybe this offense needs “BOX” visits where they could tell the batter to “make an adjustment” what you’ve tried through the first 30+ games hasn’t worked????

[@kennethburruss4488]

The lineup is the problem, and whoever makes out the lineup is the issue. Ollie/Mo and owner are the common denominators to the last couple of years' failure. The manager is way in over his head. Look how he flip-flops the lineup like he is managing a softball team. If a player hits a homerun, the next day, he moves him into the cleanup spot. This manager going up against the better than average managers. You can chalk up an L. He doesn't know how to play situation baseball or utilize speed in the lineup.

[@user-bg9oq1oe9p]

We need another big arm!! Trade goldie!! Or at least bring tink hence up for a look see. He looks pretty dominant now!! Put burly at first. They got 6 guys who can play first!! What the hell do they do with luken baker??? If u dont play him trade him!!! Carp crawford experiment not looking to good! Carlson will be an improvement over siani. Scott really disappointed me.!!!! This team needs a major shakeup!!! Guys like goldie gorman nootbar are gonna have to be offered !!!!

[@CraigHunt-mb4iu]

Maybe not only the fans don't like Mo.But other gyms as well.Do not care for him.Therefore do not make trades with him

[@bschaeffer12]

How did you break into Busch Stadium on an off day

[@robertcrist5747]

70 - 92 this season. One more loss than last year. Nobody wants to address the Coaching or be proactive in another good starter so it's just a repeat of last year only this season it's minus "Wainopaloza" and a silly gimmick phone when your 12 games out of first.

[@georgesouthwick7000]

Every team can always use more pitching, but the Cardinals pitching has been good enough if the offense would just provide some run support.

[@Wilco1972]

​@@georgesouthwick7000Do you really think that this pitching staff is built for the rigors of a full season? I will be shocked if two out of the four don't have significant time on the IR before the end of the season. That's when the wheels will really come off this season

[@muthergoose4084]

Another great video gents. Keep up the great work. Overall from front office to the coaches to the team itself none of it is what we expected. If B wants a guy who we can pay 700k I know a guy in the Mexican league.

[@ACErob-me9ss]

Man you're right both these guys work great together. There both awesome reporters they work great solo as well 👍

[@robertcrist5747]

@ACErob-me9ss....Give Charlie props all day.....Mr Schaefer on the other hand likes to delete your comments if he disagrees.

[@ACErob-me9ss]

@robertcrist5747 hey sir I'm not saying he didn't do that. But I had a couple comments deleted not on his channel but when I inquired about it I was told it was a you tube thing going on for some reason. Just so you aware

[@arnoldkeen6393]

I am one of those fans who picked Gorman to hit 40+ homers this season. Now I think he can set a MLB record for strikeouts in a week. I bow my head in humiliation.

[@shanepage8041]

Charlie actually spittin truth this episode

[@CharlieMarlowSTL]

I wasn't before?! haha

[@michaelallen1154]

Someone should do a case study on all the assets the Cardinals let go over the past 12-13 years and write a book about it.

[@bschaeffer12]

Did anyone else realize Richie Palacios had an .895 OPS? :0

[@Thatturtlebro]

Nope, and it doesn't surprise me

[@LAvsMVP]

They just need to cast a line out to the Rays and see what players they bite on then say no thanks will keep them then trade the guys they don't want to other teams lmao

[@CharlieMarlowSTL]

haha, that's smart!

[@Jeff76767]

Rotten organization. I keep saying it. They don’t know how to build rosters and the owner doesn’t give them much leeway to begin with.

[@Jens-we3vg]

Predicting sox sweep cards

[@chrisweidner4768]

Holy crapppppp!!! Just saw the called 3rd strike to end the game. C. B. Needs to go. Tennis went to tech decades ago. MLB desperately needs to go to tech for balls and strikes.

[@chiefs1587]

Perhaps it’s time for a coaching change!!!

[@Curiousmuffin64]

🔥🔥🔥

[@josephpolaster2271]

Hence for Arrozarina straight up

[@jimhun1]

Charley, don't blame you for ducking this guy. He barely lets you get a word in. Talks so fast he should be a used car salesman. Lol. 36:10 36:11 36:12

[@CharlieMarlowSTL]

c'mon!

[@jimhun1]

Reminds me of that cartoon duck......yacky. lol. Haha.

[@CharlieMarlowSTL]

haha, who?

[@user-rh2ru2hz4y]

I freaking told you richie was going to be better than Noot.

[@michaelallen1154]

@user-rh2ru2h4y - I wasn't ready to say it out loud at the end of last year, but yeah... good call dude. As of this morning (5/3/2024) Richie is batting a healthy .310 with .430 OBP! Noot's at .185 with .293 OBP. Richie's BA is higher than Noot's f_¢king OBP! Let's just all admit what this is... this organization does _not_ have the personnel with the ability to forensically analyze their players.

[@kpm2851]

This team looks like a little league team

[@nealdefrees7068]

Cubs are far better than the cardinals. Cubs will finish better than the cardinals

[@daryldixon3685]

Even if they are better they still suck!

[@timmangan6681]

Why does Marmol/Mozeliak not play Burleson and Herrera at the same time rarely..Its either Burly and Siani or Herrera and Siani..Very rarely Marmol/Mozeliak plays Burleson and Herrera which Supplies more offensive than Burly and Siani or Herrera and Siani..Seems like the Cardinals or Marmol/Mozeliak would choose the more offensive route in which they could use the more offensive route.. Oli/Mo probably thinks something else is more important than MORE OFFENSE..

[@jerryfranks1158]

I do not get the organizations obsession with Lars Nootbarr. He is a 4th outfielder at best but they talk about him like he is one of the best outfielders in baseball. They are banking on the marketability of his name. If his name was Jim Smith and he played the way he does, they wouldnt have so much faith in him.

[@robertcrist5747]

@CharlieMarlowSTL.....Charlie! What's the chances of trading this Ms Schaefer for Alexa Datt? 🤣👍 Then you can go from "Low Hanging Fruit" to the old "Chicks still dig the Long ball with Charlie and Alexa!" As Jack Buck would say....."That's a Winner!" ✌🤣

[@CharlieMarlowSTL]

c'mon!

[@robertcrist5747]

🤣👍 Always like the show Buddy!

[@timmangan6681]

When Goldy leaves next year he will have a great season..Seams to be a pattern..

[@michaelallen1154]

Sign Trevor Bauer now!

[@user-rh2ru2hz4y]

Hells hounds are eating well.

[@bn2870]

Sell the team! Sell the team!

[@bn2870]

That was kind of a joke, but now that I think about it, can someone entice some big spender tycoon to come in and buy the team from the DeWitt’s? This might actually be my new personal campaign.

[@davidshowmaker4408]

Marmol is a cancer he doesn’t belong in the majors! Goldschmidt is old, Crawford is old, Arenado is getting old

[@turdferguson9373]

Crawford is old AND he’s outta shape. Dude’s gotten paunchy. He’s not a big league SS. He’s a beer league SS.