The Cases That Haunt Us | Podcast Episode 149

[@Mike-O-Sullivan]

Nick never fails to draw my admiration, even in comically frozen mode. That is one A+ dude!

[@Fluffinator129]

They start lodging the lore at 4:35.

[@Rembo318]

I do believe its the lodge that gets lored my friend 👌🏻😂

[@imcardbored8394]

I love you

[@bigwhitedoggo4989]

Thank you kindly

[@S8tan7]

The GOAT of Lore Lodge Comments

[@withlove2963]

Bless you ❤

[@ChicagoFaucet.etc.]

Speaking of attorneys involved with missing-person cases, I have always wanted a show like yours to do a deeper dive into that District Attorney from State College, Pennsylvania who disappeared. His car was found by the side of a river, and his electronics were disassembled. He never was seen again. He WAS involved with the Joe Paterno pedophile case, but a lot of people don't think that those two are related - as there were years in between the two instances, and just getting rid of one District Attorney would not have stopped that case from proceeding. The most leading theory is actually the mob. Yes. The mob. In central rural Pennsylvania.

[@Danqna]

Nick is so awesome, it's great to see the collabs between the channels.

[@dustinfrey3067]

In the summer of 2005, I worked in Yellowstone National Park as a Wrangler at Roosevelt Lodge. About half way through the summer, one of the girls I worked with had been drinking and got super upset. She got in her car and took off. She never showed up to where she was going, so a search was launched. Her car was found a couple miles from the lodge. She had run off the road at a bridge and into the river. Her body has never been found.

[@kev2322]

Can we get name?

[@dustinfrey3067]

@kev2322 I just realized I mistyped the date. I was there in the summer of 2005. To answer your question, the girls name was Candace Kellie.

[@holotraverse9909]

⁠@@dustinfrey3067was about to comment to ask about the date. It seems that anglers found a human skull upstream from the town of Gardiner, Montana and in 2008 dna tests confirmed it was Candace.

[@wannabesleuthinsomethin]

I read her skull was located in September 2008.

[@dustinfrey3067]

@wannabesleuthinsomethin Where did you read that? I've tried to keep up with the story, and I've only found that nothing has been found. I am super interested in reading what you've found.

[@philliptree1742]

Joe Scott on his KZbin channel mentioned the Lore Lodge as a go to KZbin site for missing 411 😊

[@nmxsanchez]

Joe scott is an og, and apparently has great taste

[@fortmountaingroundpounder]

There were periods in the Army I was eating 9000 cal / day and still lost 14 lbs in a few weeks…. Under extreme conditions the body needs way more energy than most people could imagine

[@jamesknapp64]

Yeah Tour de France riders need 12k calories a day when they're competing Or something on that order

[@derk486]

Yep, same with strongmen. Some are up to 20000 a day for years. Destroys their bodies

[@Sollinare]

Also. If you want Soviet mountaineer conspiracy all right, look into Shataeva group accident. Would be really cool to have someone who is not dumb, not a hardcore conspiracy theorist, not a hardcor misoginist, and not her husband's friend to look into it

[@DeliveryMcGee]

Missed this live because I was watching Joe's video, but lol "[The black guy sneaking in to date the white girl] went to jail for getting shot‽" "It /was/ the '70s." Edit: 1:00:00 Pravda (literal translation: "truth") has always been anything but, think the Russian equivalent of the New York Post.

[@staruchx]

yea even now trusting ssian media is stupid AND especially in the past

[@MarkhamShawPyle]

Good Lord, a tame-not-wild Thornbury. Remarkable what a shave can do.

[@marlbboro8091]

I love how Aiden always has a rational explanation for everything. “ they probably just didn’t want people to go there because it’s dangerous “. And btw I am 55 and found nothing offensive about recounting of Paula’s (?) disappearance but laughed out loud at the perfume comment. That’s the only thing incorrect. We are firmly in two camps on that. Some like me wear perfume even to throw the trash out , and others who think perfume is for ‘special’ occasions only. Question: did anyone suspect her friends ?

[@LKMNOP]

I was insulted by it because he made it sound like women of that time doused themselves in it. He made it sound almost like a old lady thing. That was insulting. He also kept harping on that she wore jewelry. She had on a watch that had a couple diamonds on it and rings. That's not exactly dripping with diamond earrings and ruby necklaces. A lot of us wear bracelets that we never take off cuz it's just easier. And the watch might have been one given to her by her husband and it was special or was her only watch. And married women usually wear rings.

[@AnamLiath]

I live in Iowa. Mountain lions and bears have been seen here for at least 40 years. Until enough ring cameras and trail cameras caught them, the DNR would swear there were none, or that it was a bobcat or house cat (?!?). Now they're down to "just passing through". We frequently hear them screaming during breeding season. I honestly believe that they don't want people being alarmed about camping and fishing, and the loss of revenue.

[@palehorse24681]

Of course. The gov doesn't care about the citizens. If they did...they wouldn't have sold us out to the whims of corporations.

[@MarkhamShawPyle]

In the 1970s (which I lived through), the country people usually drank. Drugs were for those with disposable income. Heroin is a possibility, gentlemen, but never forget cocaine in the '70s and '80s for those who could afford it.

[@silverstuff182]

Way back then alcohol was king, drugs were a very exotic and expensive pastime.

[@RobfromAvoidingBabylon]

Btw, mid October is archery season in MN. An errant shot might explain it

[@wintersking4290]

On the possibility of Jordan Grider having been killed by a human assailant, the North shore of Superior is one of Minnesota's most touristy areas. Even though it's wilderness there are TONS of foreigners and people from other parts of the US that go there every year as well as a lot of native Minnesotans. Honestly, if he was relatively close to a town (I think he was neat Eli (pronounced Ee-Lee) which is one of the biggest towns in that area) there would actually be a very, very large pool of potential suspects. Eli has the International Wolf Research Center, which attracts a lot of tourists.

[@BuckysKnifeFlip]

I can't believe I hadn't heard of that case until Lore Lodge. My in-laws live in Ely.

[@wintersking4290]

@BuckysKnifeFlip He was an out of state tourist, even if his death was weird it isn't that meaningful to local news.

[@trashcant69]

The best theory I actually saw on one of their videos was that he fell and hit his head. This explains the big amount of blood- anything on the scalp bleeds a lot, and apparently it’s common for people with head trauma to get drowsy and confused. So he would have lied down and tried to sleep it off and ended up passing away. Imo this is by far the easiest explanation.

[@toosavagegamingx]

Nice of you guys to have Christian Slater on.

[@CliffsidePermaculture]

Sheathing a knife after a wound... as apposed to what? Setting it somewhere random and stepping on it later? Running to a tree with the knife while wounded to put it in the tree risking falling on it for further injury? Story - when was 7 I had a bad cut from whittling incorrectly, and before going for help, I folded my knife back up, myself!! I didn't know what else to do with it that wouldn't get me hurt, re-sheathing was the simplest instinctive safety solution even at 7.

[@victory8928]

Wouldn’t explain the lack of blood but if he did wipe the knife off before sheathing that would make sense especially if he didn’t want to ruin the sheath with blood

[@Steph-we8jg]

I get that makes sense and you showed great presence of mind but that scenario is very different from arterial spurting and why wasn't there blood on the knife roll?

[@kl6960]

There's that little thing called muscle memory - sheathing a knife you often use is a habitual thing, you don't think about doing it, you just do it. That said, I don't subscribe to the idea of it being a shaving accident.

[@Jared_Wignall]

4:36 it begins

[@ashstr2021]

Thanks for the begussy

[@Weirdoeevee]

My 85lb dog can take the wrapping off candy canes before eating them and can open pea pods to eat just the peas out with little to no damage to the pod. I think a wolf could get him out of the tent and sleeping bag without ripping it.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

Y'know - even if this isn't true it raises a very valid point, being that we're relying on a lot of assumptions about wildlife without ever having tested or found examples of the behavior in questions. Animals can surprise us - we should really look into examples of these kinds of attacks - with somone obscured in a tent or other flexible structure - to see how exactly they played out.

[@Steph-we8jg]

I'm with you ! Our large border collie could unwrap chocolates and leave the wrapper intact. Also neatly steal cookies out of a cookie tub without pulling out or damaging the inner plastic bag. Don't think the shaving thing stands up, can't ignore to he sheathed knives lack of blood on knife roll and why he would be shaving in his hammock. But if you accept some unknown assailant killed him then definitely TV think wolves could have taken it from there.

[@Bingo1Dog]

My dog has unwrapped a burger wrapper that was crumpled into a ball and licked it clean

[@Jim-Mc]

Yeah animals can do all kinds of weird stuff.

[@LKMNOP]

That's because your dog is probably imitating you. The wolf wouldn't have any reason to sneak him out of the bag. It's much easier just to rip the bag open. A wolf is not a dog. People keep thinking that but they are very different species and act very differently

[@koray_483]

I mentioned you guys on Joe Scott's video! It was really interesting having started to listen to you guys and the Joe making a video on the 411 cases. Both of you guys are favorite channels that discuss this type of content. Hope to buy the Lore Lodge coffee soon!!

[@cainanthecrow9808]

RE: Dennis Martin When it comes to the photos where no weapons are visible, if they were going to be hunting wild men (not that I think that was the case) isn't it realistic to think that maybe they had a weapons cache drop at some point, maybe at night or whatever? It wouldn't be hard to coordinate those with weapons being nowhere near cameras, while those with weapons hunted wild men, would it? Again, I don't think that was what was happening regardless, but I feel like it's not as implausible as it was being implied as it was

[@victory8928]

Maybe but you would expect the ex green bridage to mention that then if they were there at the time. Eitherway I agree, it isn’t impossible for weapons to get in especially to defend against wild animals but it is hard to believe that dennis got snatched by someone

[@cainanthecrow9808]

@@victory8928 I'd agree with that whole heartedly. And I guess that depends on what kind of like... NDA the military would have had them sign or something similar yeah? That doesn't seem like it would be too far off from their kind of OPSEC

[@dandeeteeyem2170]

Russian transmission towers were often powered by mini reactors. They were often left to the elements and often had to be removed by hazmat teams when they fell into disrepair. There are so many stories of unwitting hikers finding exposed fuel rods and using the magic stick to warm up. They camped right on top of an exposed fuel rod and the secrecy was imposed on the only survivor for the same reason sub mariners were left to expire when the US navy offered help.

[@dandeeteeyem2170]

National pride. She's scared of the military, not infrasound.

[@LKMNOP]

Furl rods don't cause the kind of damage to the people that happened. And radiation damage happens well after your hit with the radiation. It's not an instantaneous things like you see on Syfy.

[@nmxsanchez]

Absomutely love when you guys collaborate. The top channels in this genre which is so saturated with low effort garbage.

[@lily-ok6yn]

Y'all have to cover Lars Mittank one day... That's an order😂

[@AriBelleDean]

I have two high content wolf dogs, they can open boxes to pull stuff out without disturbing the box in any other way. They can push open cabinet doors, move things around, dig through their blankets to find food/treats without ripping anything. But they can also bit through a tree limb the size of my arm with no trouble, and have killed and ate a duck, we found nothing but a couple of feathers. Don’t underestimate the level of clever a wolf can be

[@TigerLily61811]

If Jordan had cut himself badly, he might have thrown the knife or razor in pain or frustration. His tent was open. None of the knives IN his tent had blood on them, but by the time they searched the area it was next spring so an entire season of falling leaves, and a winter of snow... it would be tricky to find. They could have easily missed it. Alternately he could have cut himself OUTSIDE the tent, pressed a shirt or bandana hard against his neck and gone into the tent to tend to it. He might have even passed out temporarily, then come to and tried to stumble towards his car.

[@Viewsfromthecut]

More live streams and videos in general with Nick! You guys should also subscribe to his Patreon if you’re going to stream together because he worked really hard to put together those videos and deserves the support

[@andrewtabery]

About Montana during the winter; I live in Williston, ND which is right on the border and we regularly get down to -30 to -40 air temp during January and February, with wind chill we can get down to -70 with the wind storms we tend to get here in the winter. Montana gets about the same, and they get a hell of a lot more snow than we do and I'd assume Wyoming is similar. I've never been to Pennsylvania but I've lived in Michigan and there's a lot more snow over there but not nearly as cold by any means. You really can't underestimate the winters out here, there are times where exposed skin will get frostbitten in less than 5 minutes and it's not uncommon at all.

[@AhranMaoDante]

1:11:42 It would take shave with a very sharp knife, in a particularly rare and dangerous way, to accidentally slip/be startled into cutting your neck enough to "nick" your artery. And it would do more than "nick" the artery, it would sever it, leading to way more blood loss than was found(about as much as had wolves gotten him). Any other way of holding the knife, even if the knife was relatively sharp would only shave off some of the skin on the neck/face at worst, not going deep enough to "nick" his artery. It also wouldn't result in blood splatter. It wouldn't lead to fatal blood loss, might not even lead to lightheadedness depending on the person. However, it could produce the amount of blood found, especially if he was placing rough fabric against the wound thinking it would stop the bleeding, and then pulling the fabric away to check if the bleeding had stopped. Specifically the cooling and clotting blood would stick to the fabric and every time he pulled the fabric away it would cause it to start bleeding again. Eventually it would stop(it be quicker if you let it air dry, but it also stings a lot more). I doubt he died from blood loss, but it is possible that the smell of blood attracted predators and he wandered off before become prey. Or the wound got infected and he succumbed to that.

[@lizardkeeper100]

floride and chlorine in water both kill micro organisums and and that is one reason they are used in water treatment floride also helps reduce incedents of cavities in people of lower income while being very cheep. if you are worried about chemical swell everything is chemicals and filtering water often would leave behind toxic chemicals that will kill you fast.

[@letsgobrandon416]

58:30 I don't think starvation is out of the question. I sit at a desk for a living, I'm categorized as "sedentary" while exercising only a couple hours per week. Right now I'm actually in the process of losing weight and I'm eating 2400 calories a day to loose lb/week. I track my calories, that's how I know. On the days I do house work, building/fixing things and going up and down stairs and ladders all day so nothing comparable to climbing a mountain, I eat closer to 3300 calories. Sure one day of hiking and under eating you wouldn't notice, but hiking for a week on 2400 calories is a starvation diet. They would need closer to 4-5 thousand calories/day depending on the weather, body weight and gear weight.

[@TheLoreLodge]

A lot of that definitely depends on the person and what your metabolism is accustomed to. For me, 2400 a day would cause me to gain a pound a week. If I want to actually lose weight, even with exercise included, I’ve gotta drop to like 1500.

[@CJGatsby]

love the tone difference. "oh you just raw dogged it" "...I suffered greatly"

[@Zeigryo]

You on a mountain? Assume mountain lions. I live on a plateau. Couple years ago I was getting gas at 4am. It is dark. It is cold. I start hearing a baby cry. “Who would be out here with a baby-, that’s a mountain lion.”

[@Plutonia001]

2:07:22 WTC Building 7 has the unfortunate circumstance of being collateral damage. Meaning that all of the damage that caused the collapse *was on the dangerous side,* where burning debris was likely to fall on you from the damaged twin towers. Not many people carried cameras, and even fewer would dare to go there to film. I have only ever seen one piece of footage taken from that side of Building 7, and *if you see that video there is no mystery* as to why that building collapsed. The falling debris *took out about 40% of that building.* The entire other side, the one that nobody could see from the outside, was gone. Just a giant burning hole. The rest of the building then caved into that hole. That's why there's so much speculation about that building. Almost none of the people speculating have seen that side of the building and how damaged it was.

[@LKMNOP]

People would rather speculate and make a big mystery rather than look at the facts.

[@Janette-l3w]

Thanks for the bullshit, darling . But you know the truth in your soul

[@Janette-l3w]

Thanks for the bullshit, darling . But you know the truth in your soul

[@jwats9184]

The Lore Lodge boys, Nick, and a Wendigoon mention thrown in. The golden quartet!

[@73_65]

On the matter of naval combat games, From the Depths is a fun, but incredibly unrealistic option, sail propelled ships are technically an option, but are more difficult to make than almost any other kind of ship. The age of sail like cannons are also practically useless

[@kristiannewell2130]

Only complaint with this podcast is that every mic has a very different volume

[@kl6960]

Yeah, Mattis' volume is floating up and down whenever he moves even a little bit, Thornbury's seems to be a little less floaty but still too low, at least next to Nick (who seems to have everything set up properly) 😂

[@TinFoilHatHobo]

I think what you guys forget or don't take into account for Dennis's disappearance and possible paths he took is....he was Six years old. Not many six year olds make responsible, rational decisions in their normal daily lives at home...much less out in the woods...alone.

[@kittyhawk413]

2:17:47 as someone who also gets nauseous with some video games, try Sea Bands and accept that some video games will just affect her worse than others (Kingdom Hearts is a killer). There's also some exercises for inner ear stuff, I think, that's supposed to be helpful for motion sickness.

[@withlove2963]

@1:21:34 Ranger Rick!! From the Saturday morning radio show?? ❤

[@Bingo1Dog]

I heard (don't remember whereknow how accurate it is) but cavities are caused by bacteria that you don't have by default. It has to get introduced to you.

[@randyp9491]

About Trenny Gibson: im not sure if this info has made the rounds yet but there is an investigator determined on solving this case and she's in thick with the family. I'll break it down simplified. The family knows more than what they're saying. Her older brother, the one that came home from the navy, was the one who drove up to the smokies and Trenny took off with him. Supposedly he was secretly taking her to go get an abortion and something went wrong. The baby's father was black so back then an unwed mother with a mixed race baby wouldn't go over in Tennessee . And the family is keeping this secret for whatever reason.

[@kpenrose04]

Just a thought on the Jordan case... around his campsite was quite rocky, perhaps he fell/slipped and smacked his head, but didn't think it was bad, bled for a bit in his hat and his hammock, got up for a drink when the blood loss was starting to affect him, and then died. I have had a head injury that bled enough to make me desperate for water. Was there a stream near his camp?

[@izzisart]

That's a good thought. And a person can absolutely get a head injury that bleeds very little but has a lot of damage going on inside, causing things like disorientation, seizures etc. He could have very easily gotten in trouble in that instance.

[@chrismigues3315]

Virginia MN doesn't have a walmart! It's technically right outside of town in the neighboring township lol. It does however have a Target. My wife grew up there and it's a beautiful little place.

[@mecahhannah]

Would you guys consider covering the disappearance of Ricky Jean Bryant please? I would love to hear your take on the case! It reminds me of the Sodder children case!

[@outbacksteakhouseofficial]

40:28 can’t believe yall got the lore lodge on the podcast

[@mommadragon3732]

For the man who took to the woods and shaved with big knife blades... all it could have taken is something to scare him while shaving... he could have jerked his head, not realizing how close the blade was... then bled out. A thought to ponder.

[@samjones3364]

When yall do your trip for the donner party and end on a monday morning in Sheridan find the fedex van and say hey to me or in the countryside of Lincoln any other day id love to buy you guys a beer

[@christianavance9124]

Hate that I missed this because I was at work. You guys said something about the guy who died in his tent under TRUE mysterious circumstances. It being an average of 17° colder in MN than the Adirondacks, could he have had an icesickle form in his tent and break and stab him? That would account for the puddle of blood and nothing physical that looked like it cut him since the ice would have melted.???

[@PackRatManiac]

Edit: Do the iceberg of journalist uncovering shady stuff that has been done to unsuspecting people. I saw that y'all were live last night but it was already an hour in. I'm going to have to start setting a calendar reminder since I don't always see the notification from KZbin. I really hope y'all do continue the missing 411 content. I like the cryptid stuff but you can only cover so much of it. I do like the debunking conspiracy theories stuff too.

[@CleoHarperReturns]

I freaking love Nick. I actually found his channel before I found this one.

[@Jim-Mc]

My 100lb Rottweiler can peel a banana and carefully unravel ropes with her paws and teeth. Animals can manipulate their environment way better than you think.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

Concerning the Trenny Gibson case, you know the guy's alibi had to be airtight, since the only other suspect is the DA's son, and it's a black kid in that time and place, if there was any chance he could've done it you'd think they'd have pinned it on him. That said, I do wonder what part - if any - race had to play in what transpired. Like if the DA's son was jealous, found out that Gibson had been seeing a black boy, and that motivated him to some kind of end. I don't want to say we'll never know, but I feel time is running out for pertinent info to be collected from those with firsthand knowledge of the events. I do think it's possible she's still in the park. I think too much stock is put in the search parties and especially the scent dogs. How many times are individuals found in previously searched areas? It happens a lot. Nobody's dropping them there after the fact (usually), it happens. No disrespect intended to the searchers, but they have a lot of ground to cover. It's more than possible to miss things.

[@izzisart]

As someone who usually is on the side of "she left the park" this is exactly the thought that occurred to me as they were talking about it. It is completely believable someone might have done something out of jealousy - with a side helping of racism in there too, and then basically got away with it because everyone looked to pin it on her black boyfriend, like the perpetrator hoped.

[@elfdog2915]

1:51:40 It makes sense that if someone ends up mysteriously disappearing it is likely due in part to some of the worst or most unfortunate decisions in their life.

[@CristianoPantalone]

Awesome to see you guys together

[@xDarkVoidYTx]

Just a dumb theory, but it conically makes sense for the last case: Michael Meyers. Hear me out, dude is dead silent regardless of setting, inhuman abilities and the skill of tracking someone without them noticing. Only issue is the body, he doesn’t hide his kills😂

[@alyssajakielek687]

2:30:00 that Bigfoot art I'VE SEEN IT BEFORE!!!! ON A TRUCK END!!

[@Timber_and_Steel]

Sounds like you guys need to set yourself up a better investigative hiking backpacking survival kit before we end up watching a podcast about how the podcasters disappeared

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

Tbf that WOULD be a legendary Missing 411 case.

[@Nature_guurrll]

You guys need to go to the BWCA, especially where he was found. You will understand how unprepared he was, as well as being vulnerable to an animal attack.

[@slightlyroasted]

Virginia and ely are both places I’m amazed I didn’t go missing walking around at night

[@chasingthestorms]

OK I’m down in my craft room yeah I’m a nerd, I’m not gaming at the moment, (PS5) I have no problems with it though. But the kids think I’m nuts because I keep laughing out loud. I first with your “not sure what you meant by that” second, gaming makes you sick text! 😂 great live tonight.

[@pablowentscobar]

I can't wait for Missing 411 "The disappearance of the Lore Lodge Boys: lost on location." I bet Paulides will make up some real wacky stuff.

[@I_Love_Learning]

Fuzzy Wuzzy is nation-wide. I learned it in California from a museum (don't remember the museum or why it talked about it, though)

[@asellape9270]

2:01:11 I LOVE RANGERS APPRENTICE

[@ZJC922]

I’ve worked in a water treatment facility. That’s not what the fluoride is for Aiden. It’s just used to disinfect the water and should be only in such a small amount that it literally can’t do anything for your teeth or anything else anyway. If it is then that’s someone fucked up the ratios.

[@aboycalledfish]

Even though fluoride is used to sanitize the water, people make the argument that the fluoride microdose helps teeth somehow. I think it was specific to children though, like a study study that showed that children who drank fluorinated water had significantly less cavities as adults. Not sure it works for adults who have already grown in their teeth I just remember my dentist always saying that I would never have as many teeth problems as my mother because I grew up with fluoride. 😅

[@stephanieh9360]

Jordan Grider could have been taken out like Dustin Kjersem was this month. His killer was angry that Dustin had camped in 'his' spot. They even shared a beer before he was killed.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

Problem with that is that Grider was off the beaten path, not at a campsite or anywhere that'd make it an especially desireable location relative to any other if I'm not mistaken. Somewhere like South Jersey I could see it going down like that, very population dense, so even off the trail you can bump into someone, but where he was at? Idk. I almost think it'd be more likely someone sought him out rather than happened by and decided to get rid of him. He was a pretty solitary guy, there's a lot about his day-to-day we don't know.

[@wintersking4290]

Sonichu medallion is 110% cursed and it should never be handled without protective lead screens and lead tongs. if possible destroy it with purifying fire and have a priest pray over the ashes just to be sure.

[@m3ntalhedgehogz243]

its good to be back

[@alisongood9572]

The Bigfiit poster makes me believe in America again.

[@TheWhiteTrashPanda]

Mattis, you're much better off planning your cult lodge for Appalachian West Virginia than Montana.

[@TheWhiteTrashPanda]

Mattis, you can say the name Alex Jones. Hell, you can even have him on as a guest. KZbin relaxed on that like 3 years ago

[@whodunnett1850]

Wonder if they cut the knife sheaths open to check inside for blood or whiskers?

[@mfran025]

Nicks awesome! Have him on more! Hes got great videos

[@b.browning0027]

Fix them?? That's hilarious. You'll understand one day. Great show, y'all really do a great job. Have a great holiday. Be safe.

[@joshuak.parker9855]

Yes he did!! Great video joe did

[@koalahairspray4807]

Regarding Jordan Grider, what if the blood on his tent and hammock was from a previous non fatal injury, days, weeks, or months prior? He could have died from other causes outside of his tent, and the blood splatter in the tent is not the evidence we think it is.

[@andersgjersoe4852]

Totally noted the "shout out" from Joe Scott, in his Missing 411 video yesterday

[@Romuls753]

Mattis you've never had a cavity? I wonder if there's an additive to the water supply that could be responsible for that, maybe a halogen, a relative of Iodine perhaps 🤔

[@TheLoreLodge]

Other members of my family have had them, I just don’t eat much sugar by comparison and I drink a TON of milk

[@glendabrown3063]

RE: Treeny Gibson case. Knoxville is an interstate hub. Gang and drug activity picked up in the 70's because drugs were being trafficked thru town.

[@stonewulf2755]

Empire of the Summer Moon should be followed by reading Cormac McCarthys "Blood Meridian", if you have a strong stomach.

[@audibjornsson6107]

Second time listening. Awesome job everyone very insightful conversations! I appreciate everyones hard work research and time. Have a happy Thanksgiving guys!!

[@shesometimeswrites]

I fangirl Nick at mythic levels. Any chance for an on location collaboration between you?! It would be really interesting to hear your unfiltered conversations on one of the sites. You could all wear plaid...just a suggestion.👀

[@TheLoreLodge]

We can probably make that happen at some point!

[@shesometimeswrites]

@@TheLoreLodge (yes!😍)

[@Trapperboy190]

1:20:02 there's far too many wolves up here

[@Notabotbear]

I think there are stages of conspiracy theory that people go through, some people get stuck in stages. There is a stage that does include “noticing members of a specific demographic” being involved in them. Getting past this stage requires adding personal responsibility and removal of victim identity.

[@melissabaldwin7987]

My favorite mashup!

[@coryczerwinski4456]

Trail names are totally a thing. Gump here AT class off 2020

[@kl6960]

I hate to say it, but you'r all getting too hung up on the perceived weirdness of the Dennis Martin case... So the little kid got lost (should've never been left alone in the first place in a terrain like that, imo), the scream may very well have been his, he might have slipped off a cliff, fallen into a hole, gotten attacked by a bear or whatever predatory wildlife was present in the area. With the number of people trampling the area it's really no wonder that the dogs (and people) couldn't find him. Bigger search party isn't always an optimal solution, in fact, it rarely is. The bones that were supposedly found later could've easily been him as you yourself pointed out there were no other children missing in the area at the time. As to any discrepancies between where the sound of the scream seemed to be coming from and where the bones were supposed to be located, it's a mountainous and wooded area, sound does weird things. Or he could have been injured but still able to walk and wandered away in a different direction. As for the FBI agents demanding that Mr Keyes (sp?) stops telling stories to the press, stories that apparently weren't even particularly consistent, how is that weird, exactly? Yes, the press was gonna run wild, but if he kept telling different stories, that wasn't helping anyone either. And generally speaking, law enforcement, especially at the time and especially if there was any suspicion that it could have been a kidnapping, might very well not want the case details to be publicised too accurately if at all. It's undeniably a tragic case but there really isn't anything particularly mysterious about it.

[@1153kej]

Hmmm, not so sure about your idea about infrasound tearing about the molecular bonds... Would like to see your sources for that. My seismologist daughter disagrees. Monitors infrasound. HungaTonga was highest recorded since Krakatoa, circled around the world three times, and infrasound didn't kill anyone. "So, yes, maybe in theory, but the amount of energy required to generate enough amplitude to cause actual damage is beyond fathomable."

[@SockieTheSockPuppet]

Forget jet fuel, a _regular smithing fire_ can irreparably alter the structural integrity of steel construction materials.

[@raykdotcom]

You had me at "I want a horse and a rifle" yeh boy then you go and recommend Zanth "trilogy" hell good books son. I read ogre ogre first by accident then hit the lake ogrechobi rabbit hole, kin hell Mathis, I was 12 when I got into those, I don't think ya mum was born, hahahaha also piers Anthony also wrote Total Recall as a bonus, (I was walking through York you mentioned that you shudda heard my "Oh hell yes" I got funny madman looks. You just brightened my day.

[@bigwhitedoggo4989]

I love the Zanth books! Such a good read lol I read them when I was around 12/13 after finding them in our garage 😅

[@ArcaneSorceror]

WTF KZbin, an hour long keynote as a damn ad!!!

[@MrLookatmyhat]

Brave browser ends this

[@Rembo318]

An hour?? Damn they better be giving some AdDollars for that one instead of AdSense lol

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

That's wild. What was it even trying to sell you? lol

[@melasnexperience]

I once got all six hours of the 2023 Game Awards as a YT ad. Thankfully skippable.

[@Janette-l3w]

Three hours? Aidan , maybe nobody taught you this: Having lungs and a larynx, doesnt mean that you have to be talking all the time.

[@mandalorianmama]

Just want to point this out, but thornbury is right. State college Pennsylvania is nowhere near the level of cold of Montana and Wyoming.

[@llcoolray3000]

Jan Thompson's story sounds like a Mr. Ballen script.

[@BX138]

@1:46:30 Yes Aidan, remind us how awesome you are 🙄

[@Fallenup89]

What if he shot himself with the Beretta and then laid down. There's a story of a father goin hunting he took a life insurance policy out took a rifle and a hand gun purchased privately shot himself in the chest sitting against a tree next to a pond. He tossed the handgun in the pond so it would look like a hunting accident and bled out. (Hard times and he had a wife and kids)

[@EpicDude86]

"I wouldn't worry about it." I do not accept that answer from government or skinwalkers.

[@danjohnson887]

Why is the audio always so terrible with live shows... We can hear Missing Enigma just fine but cant hear either Mattis's...

[@JayeL11]

Truth! Guest audio is always way better.

[@MissMentats]

2:30:15 nsfw warning next time! My dog almost saw

[@marcellaharper849]

Let Enigma talk.