The Champions That Riot Will Be Removing From League of Legends | Stat Sticks Documentary

[@Exil22]

Hope you enjoyed, have a great holiday season and be sure to tell the people that matter most in your life that you love them. I will try to upload 1 more video before the end of the year, but if not, I'll see you guys in 2020! :)

[@Babs2424]

Please do a video on the sylas changes, thanks for making the great videos this year, actually one of my favorite creators

[@younghong4305]

Exil thanks

[@diegoisraeltrujillogonzale8332]

Please, talk about Tahm Kench, It is the champion who made me love LoL, the most beaten support for Riot (at leaste for me) of the game, you would make me very happy, thank you for reading me, I hope you spend a happy holiday PD: Sorry for my bad english xD

[@jewishjojo]

Happy holidays Exil

[@doomdidamn554]

Thanks for another fun informative vid! Video on Kat please, or on the general design of assasins at least? :) Also - Is Sylas the new Ryze?

[@JigsawLV]

Don't you DARE remove Mundo, I need a champion that represents my IQ level.

[@Topunito]

It is confirmed that they're gonna rework him, they just don't know exactly when.

[@Osprey1994]

@@Topunito Son of a bitch...

[@Topunito]

@@Osprey1994 sonuvabeetch

[@kenrichards1032]

There's always rammus

[@peterisstupans7618]

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[@jlovedown]

Man I remember in season 2 a Nautilus player had to leave the game and we were already losing the game. So the Nautilus bought all the wards he could get by selling the items he already bought and just warded the entire jungle(even the enemy's). He wished us good luck and left but after that the game was 4v5 but we ended up winning because Good Guy Nautilus gave us the strategic advantage of lighting up the entire jungle for us to see. Ahhh good times.

[@missMiMi]

aww good players like these guys :( sniff sniff

[@R23X_]

That's actually so wholesome

[@VirusZero0140]

DUDE, same thing happened with this blitz in my game BUT HE USED PINKS. PINKS EVERYWHERE! It was crazy

[@ChaddyFantome]

Yoooo what a bro. Wish I could find him so I could donate him a Nautilus skin.

[@Lugg187]

I literally did that as well. I remember clearly I played Vayne bot and started to feed really bad. So I quietly removed myself from the game by building full tank, farming alone and buying wards while my team carried and I stopped dying and feeding.

[@dario.m4707]

Everyone's a gangster untill Morgana stuns you for 40 years

[@xenariz]

*Laughs in Gankplank*

[@rogeriodelima6397]

Laughs in RFC Caitlyn breaking GP's barrels 5 miles away

[@aarthurcgs]

@Daddy Thanos Laughs in Exhaust

[@AE-or7xd]

4000*

[@Zenrikku77]

Sounds like old fiddlesticks fear

[@PorthoGamesBR]

"League does not like this ideia of a tank who deals damage" *Sounds of Darius and Garen laughing*

[@secretname2670]

They are juggernauts.

[@notskrub7013]

@@secretname2670 Which are tanks who deal too much dmg.

[@secretname2670]

@@notskrub7013 juggernauts are exclusively build sub species of brawler and tank so they deal horrendous damage. If you cant manage to understand juggernaut concept then dont talk about it

[@thegaybagelbagel6274]

[secret Name] malphite 😐

[@frankhorrigan1508]

*Shyvana wants to know your location*

[@Reecharge]

SHOUTOUT TO THE REAL ONES WHO STACKED SUNFIRE CAPES ON TWITCH AND KILLED CHAMPS WHILE YOU WERE IN STEALTH

[@pastilapils9188]

Dota1 . Stack 6 radiance on tree and kill all of the enemy only wolking ww

[@runemusum507]

I did this on evelynn when her Stealth never broke until you choose to

[@romannasuti25]

Pastila Pils oof, reminds me of "protect the lich king" comps a friend showed me. Funnel him extra gold, get a crap load of attack speed, and have him rush divine rapier + blink dagger. Play around Roshan to get him early, give the aegis to lich, and have an unkillable death machine that crits for 1000+ twice a second. At least another dumb faceroll comp, Lina-Lion-Dagon-refreshOrb-scepter wasn't really viable and was mostly just for dumb fun deleting people.

[@codybear5840]

I miss the old stealth mechanic. This if they are close to you they can see you just ruined stealth for me. Shaco and Akali are the only ones that still have "true" stealth. If there are others can't remember. But yeah, back in 2010/2011, Eve was my main. And this was back in the day when no one knew how to play Eve, and if you picked her your team would flame you saying you picked a trash champ. Then after I carry with 25/5/? they are like... Dayum. Rip Eve stealth/stun. I'll forever miss you.

[@cameronbartlett856]

Since when was Eve ever concederd a trash pick? She has had her ups and downs, but trash? Even her release she was scary

[@DijionEugene]

Teacher: do you all have your presentations ready Exil: can I go first

[@Exil22]

Honestly funniest comment ive seen LOL

[@DijionEugene]

@@Exil22 love the vids man thx😂

[@sean4890]

"We need simpler champions for people to learn the game" Ok then, why does my d4 annie main have the map awareness of blind turtle

[@RadicalMac]

I mean at least he'd d4

[@ofer_]

He is from NA

[@Thegoldenwatermelon]

Just punish people for one trucking by reducing LP gain if you play one champ over X amount of games

[@SilverWing213]

@@Thegoldenwatermelon The problem with that is that it punishes meta players too. If X champion is strong, then people will play them simply because they're strong and gives them the best chance to win. That's typically how high elo works, you play meta and get good with meta. When the meta rotates, so do you.

[@Thegoldenwatermelon]

@@SilverWing213 true but I also think people who meta abuse are likely higher Elo then they should be.

[@Rcst4Lyfeee]

I cant imagine volibear having stealth, 3 dashes, 4 weapons, a mobility passive and needing 400 IQ to play

[@paulgalindez9739]

Riot reaves confirmed volibear with t ability key that changes the whole qwer abilities to a thundery one. Also gives passive for each ability that synergizes with itself. Riot reaves also mentioned you need to play a mini game similar to geometry dash to perfectly time your instant riven w fear just to make it balanced.

[@pogizsoli6672]

@@paulgalindez9739 XDDD

[@Patrick46144]

i would main the living shit out of the stealth-volibear XDD

[@giovanni5954]

if you really play those champions you will see that they're easy as fuck to play btw...League is not a hard game with 20-30 games with one champion you is just fine to go...

[@ivantrogrlic5504]

We can't imagine, but Riot can imagine it and there you go, Voli with all of those abilitys

[@francesco8000]

A thing that he didn't say about the "glory days" is that Shyvana, mundo and trundle were viable picks because they were the only ones that could survive against renekton. The top meta at the time was "can he fight renekton?" and for a very long time most champions had to answer "no".

[@derby234able]

And basically for a long time it was JUST the Renekton/Shyvana/Mundo triad. IIRC it was only later in the season when a pro player (I think it was Soaz, correct if I'm wrong) introduced Trundle as a counter to the tank meta (since he would just ult the enemy team's tank and become unkillable himself) that other team's started to consider Trundle as a pick.

[@sinaruden9280]

@@derby234able i feel this so much, thats why i liked trundle curse those bruiser/tank mains

[@MagnaDrake]

ahh the good ol renekton bar

[@redneckfromhell9514]

It's not so true. Olaf was the best toplaner in early season 3. U just build tank items with CDR + shurelia and GGWP. he could literally run down on a carry giving a shit against fed karthus. Jax was a good toplaner back in the day as well, dealt easily with trundle and shyv.

[@MagnaDrake]

@@redneckfromhell9514 Fair, but you said the keyword yourself: early season 3. After that he got nerfed to oblivion and shoehorned to jungle, and even then he's not as strong anymore. The glory days (specifically in this video) is mid season 3 to late season 4, and olaf while can be good at times definitely not up there with the big 4. Jax while do deal with Shyv or Trundle definitely did not deal Renekton or Mundo that well. Back then Renekton stomps him so hard early game he just cant buy his items and Mundo scales the tank items way better than Jax does.

[@yoshikagekira5086]

"Riot didn't like tanks dealing damage" Ornn would like to disagree, with his 32% max hp W

[@camaimori1287]

This is okay but sej dealing 20% is too broken? Rito pls...

[@lynnmorgan5897]

Over 100% max hp damage with his entire combo OMEGALUL

[@neurondeactivation1643]

@@camaimori1287 It's not okay, Rito just forgot about him

[@yonelywanderer627]

meanwhile tahm has his 32% removed

[@msz1683]

Shhht dont say anything, i love it too much to let it go..

[@ajag779]

Exil: "Time to start saying goodbye to one of League's oldest champions...Volibear." The 87 champions released before Volibear: "Am I a joke to you?"

[@RammusTheArmordillo]

Yeah I was about a year and a half in League when they released Volibear lol

[@tonyramirez5707]

He's time... Has come.

[@tehtayziez]

And hilariously, his rework made him basically the same style of play. The new stuff they added is mostly average and likely will push him completely into the jungle as a mid tier at best unless his numbers become insane.

[@tonyramirez5707]

@@tehtayziez As a main adc I'd really like you were right...

[@swine13]

Yeah but how do you feel when I point out that LoL beta finished in Oct 2009, and volibear came out only 2 years later in 2011? And its 2020, now? Yep, he does really count as an early champ, now... I know this because I was thinking the exact same freaking thing, and looked up the dates for all this stuff, thereby only truly proving one thing to myself: I'm very old.

[@thebanana8321]

Not gonna Lie there's nothin quite like a good old Mundo game every once in while.

[@reubenthawmte8504]

Grevious wound killed him :(

[@le1660]

@@reubenthawmte8504 as if anyone in low elo buys executioners calling lmao

[@mememachine7913]

@@reubenthawmte8504 Not everyone knows that

[@zyxaplayssomething]

@@le1660 I one-tricked Mundo to Gold because literally no one below Plat knows to rush Morello/Bramble/Executioner's. Even in Gold, it was only like a handful of toplaners that knew to rush Grievous Wounds.

[@MegaCapo85]

I literally picked up mundo on d4 and abused him to gm 300 lp this season lol, rn he is boosted too

[@DailyFlaming]

what happend to the "fat dude throws barrels"

[@rpstephen]

*exactly*

[@cs_derp]

drunk mario throwing barrels

[@shahabb1675]

at least he throws barrels what happened to the mad dude who runs around polluting the air?

[@YahMum69]

Are you all talking about me?

[@shahabb1675]

@@YahMum69 nope, unless you fart or burp a lot

[@infernus4389]

The fact that these champions can just walk towards you and kill you with their stats is not the problem in itself, but they can't do anything else. Simple mages like Morgana and Anivia can be played by spamming their Q untill it hits someone, but it's not everything they are able to do, for example Morgana can save lives with dark shield and her ultimate is great in team fights. Champions don't need to be complex and hard, they need a little flexibility

[@wakkaseta8351]

*"they need a little flexibility"* Good thing Riot doesn't enforce metas and pidgeonhole champions into specific roles.

[@cursedshadow]

Unfortunately new champions are TOO flexible. Overloaded, several positions, hybrid, good both early and late game.

[@VexxedSR]

​@@cursedshadow Yea especially when you press shift on an ability on these new champs and it's literally the fucking bible it's that long.

[@ramsey_ajr1702]

@@VexxedSR Seriously, Aphelios is cool but five different weapons?...Fucking FIVE?!?!

[@benlegend4432]

karthus is still viable despite being walking magic damage

[@jaydenong8908]

Rip volibear. Forever in our memories

[@superepicsimon5281]

My best champion reworked :(

[@swine13]

Fwiw i always hated volibear. He was underwhelming until i gave up playing him then they patched him into an unstoppable rock and then nerfed him into a bear cub again when i finally decided to try him again. 😂

[@AImpatientMan]

I remember otping gp for years, but i would still play volibear when he was banned because he was simple stupid fun. Just run someone down with q>e>r then just beat the shit out of someome and bite his ass to finish him. Was fun to play when i didn't want to think of barrel quantium mechanics for a game. New voli ain't fun though fuck that guy they took away my boo

[@spikespike3845]

I hope that p stand for agony

[@chilledspartan1174]

I never played him. however being an avid gamer, it does make me feel sad seeing ‘old’ characters go out of date, or forgotten. Probably because we grow up with them, see them in our games and KZbin videos.

[@tianarmas1665]

stat-stikk shiv

[@CosmoBubblegum]

Tian Armas good one lol

[@tristan889]

ba dum tss

[@CosmoBubblegum]

@@tristan889 wtf is that name xD

[@raptorwithwings]

Phreak? Is that you?

[@ArtimaeusSkylight]

I heard him on the videos for pro guides and I honestly thought he was Phreak doing a sexy man voice lol

[@cizzymac]

"What does Mundo do other than literally run at you?" Because what the game really needs is tanks with 10 gap closers/dashes/teleports. That'll be healthy for the game.

[@lolaandjoe123]

Ornn is an example of a tank with meaningful counterplay. He definitely has not broken the game. Stat-sticks aren't needed.

[@B03-d6u]

@@lolaandjoe123 but they are fun

[@ZanttuTV]

Let's make every champion have everything #equality

[@Geheimnis-c2e]

@@ZanttuTV Akali: *slowly smokescreens away*

[@sneakysunset1765]

@@B03-d6u not to play against for sure

[@kakalukio]

The sad thing is that stat sticks are inherently far healthier for the game as they force you to actually play the game properly. Go for objectives, engage at oppertune moments, make a sensible build, pay attention to where the opponent is, harras appropriatly, set up engagements etc. The current overloaded designs however, don't care. Who cares about engaging at an oppertune moment if you can just towerdive, get the kill & get out in the span of 0.5 seconds without getting hit by anything? Who cares about using a proper build when you can go full AD and rely on a on random overloaded defensive ability in your otherwise fully offensive kit, or something like steraks to give your class canon a weirdly large shield, and some lifesteal to survive close to everything? Who cares about carefully trading blows when you have 50 dashes and are can dash in and out of combat without a care in the world cuz your impossible to hit? Who cares about grouping up when you can accidently solo the entire team? Hell, who cares about playing safe and not feeding if you can rely on your 0/10/0 powerspike to eventually pull you out of it cuz your kit is so overloaded you're eventually going to get some kills on accident and snowball from there?

[@pixelperfect9111]

Amen

[@natking1u1z99]

Sounds like Senna

[@johnj9158]

Absolutely agree with this comment. It says everything I wanted to say.

[@matthewmassey1697]

God bless your soul. This meta makes it ridiculously challenging to learn new champions. If they have a hypercarry that can have global presence, dashes, shields, massive nukes with built in sustain, and that champ gets fed the game is over. The game takes far too much commitment to understand even the kits, so how are we going to expand our champion pool? Year in and year out I start playing again and just have to stop because even with a positive win rate cancerous champions shoot my blood pressure through the roof.

[@edgelordmcgee966]

oh yeah? like who?

[@TheBigYC]

"If you kite them you win." I mean, like, all melee tank/bruisers are like that.

[@theX24968Z]

and whats wrong with that? its a simple problem, why cant it have a simple solution? or just let it be a weakness?

[@Ersilay]

@@theX24968Zbecause now adc's go top lane and destroy everyone that is melee... crazy right

[@pokerusfreak8194]

the problem isnt that this is the case, the problem is this is the ONLY interaction you can have with these champs: kite them = always win, dont = always lose. Theres no actual gameplay there, no real counter activity to engage in. It's clear cut win or lose dependent solely on ONE thing. That's just poor design, as is the current development cycle of "every ability does 3 things, all champions are overloaded"

[@theX24968Z]

@@pokerusfreak8194 whats wrong with having someone based on being good at one thing? its a simple straightforward plan, and it makes your ability to play them consistent and reliable.

[@weaselmaster98]

@@pokerusfreak8194 it's not like you just press a button and kite them. You're making it seem like there's no skill involved in playing as or playing against any of these champs. Yes the play itself is simpler than others but not every champ needs to be complicated. The kiting is part of the real gameplay. Having some simpler champions is good for new players and people learning new roles. If they're going to make such giant changes to a champ and completely rework them like Aatrox why not change it a little more and just make a new champ, add even more to the game without ruining it for the people that like the original champ.

[@The1KidneyWonder]

13:47 "walking death balls like Udyr and Yi"" ...Walking?...WALKING?!?!?!?! THERE WAS NOTHING WALKING ABOUT MACH 7 CHAMPS GIVING ME PTSD

[@jhieufh]

I miss my beloved master yi with ghost ;(

[@tonydejulia8474]

Stop being a whimp.

[@zanderhort]

Stat check champions allow for casual players to express their skill through strategy rather than mechanics. I play usually 2 games per week. I don’t keep up with new champs, stopped reading patch notes a couple years ago, but still have a good understanding of rotations, when to fight, and objectives. Playing champs like yi mundo jax and voli allow me to have fun with the game. I don’t want the pressure of landing an Elise cocoon on a gank and then playing warding gank bot. I don’t want to have to land every ability when I’m out of practice. The reality is 75% of players are gold and under. We just want to have fun, and a stat stick allows us to win through the game knowledge we’ve built up.

[@goldehammergaming]

champion play rates show that most players prefer champs with engaging kits even in bronze although i see where you are coming from

[@KyraMoonspell]

Bless `ya... This is what a bunch of wannabe-pros who troll, blame, report, abuse anyone who does not follow do not understand. Game is for fun, first and most. Want to play Meta, want to be up-to-date, want to adjust to every single patch, try every new champ? Free to do so. Just leave others be and enjoy their game as they like it. There is room for everyone

[@MegaLuros]

I agree but I will go even further. I climbed to diamond playing stat sticks. All my edge over other people was my game vision, shot calling and utility bringed to the team. In the current game I would have a hard time climbing back. They are basically suppressing an entire play style, rework after rework. It makes the game poorer paradoxically.

[@Draconic74]

@@goldehammergaming I get the feeling that they play those kits because they see how effective higher skilled players are with them and aspire to play like that. With highly mixed results.

[@goldehammergaming]

@@Draconic74 personally it is because i prefer having fun over climbing so sure I have a 90 percent winrate on malzahar but i much rather play irelia mid because playing well on her is so much more rewarding same applies to stat stik champs

[@sgasby]

The older champs are all falling apart cause every new champ has an overloaded kit

[@orlandogastelum1539]

You mean a fun and interesting kit?

[@BRBingeDrinker]

+Orlando Gastelum No, he means overloaded. Not every champ needs a dash, shield, and hard cc. those kits are ruining the game I assure you.

[@jhieufh]

BRBingeDrinker wait are you saying aphelios is overloaded? WAIT ARE YOU SAYING HAVING 200004847563729284 WEAPONS WITH DIFFERENT ABILITIES/PASSIVES IS OVERLOADED???

[@joshuaesteban1120]

The champ named "Kaisa"

[@runemusum507]

I think some champs needs to be tuned down a bit mabye exhange to more intressing abilitys with some kind of passive and longer cooldowns, like Nocturné got a spell sheild with passive. Give atleast udyr simular theemed ability he Just spams all 4 buttons to change forms all the time, ms -> stun -> sheild -> ms repeat?

[@GenXBeholder]

it just sucks when your mains are reworked to the point of being unrecognizable... Swain.

[@TheRuancarlo]

Aatrox

[@peterfokinpan8063]

the old swain was just horrible!! what was the w called never hit?

[@dmnsngie]

@@peterfokinpan8063 Old Swain is still good for me

[@jagosvujovic2086]

Im pretty sure new swain and aatrox are way more healthier for the game lmao except when they get overbuffed and become broken but every champ stops being healthy for the game when theyre broken

[@mdm2186]

...nunu...

[@duchi882]

*3 videos within 2 weeks* Makes me imagine the work you put in to make these quality videos in a short period of time Lastly.. _You are Breathtaking!_

[@BigDogHaver]

Was gonna like but then you ruined a good comment with a reddit moment

[@zedantXiang]

You're not, but its okay because not everyone needs to be.

[@gavynperez3468]

Haha Keanu Reeves epic Baby Yoda Big Chungus Wholesome Moment BREATHTAKING 100 Edit: Thanks for the gold kind stranger!

[@xyon9090]

@@BigDogHaver, its not a Reddit moment Its a real life reference from Keeanu Reeves. I mean, its quite wholesome compared to other horrible meme references these days.

[@POTUSOfficial]

@@xyon9090 yeah but its soo fucking cringe

[@ruiribeiro8010]

Riot: How bout we make tanks be able to one shot while being impossible to one shot back? yeah genious :D frickin malphite has better ap scalings than most mages, mundo has more kill power than adcs and Sett wins every single trade by pressing W.

[@mitchellmiller6644]

If malph goes ap all you have to do is flash ult and one shot him since he will be squishy Mundo you just have to kitenand not get hit with his cleaver as for sett only thing I can say is play around his cds and and his grit

[@ruiribeiro8010]

@@mitchellmiller6644 Flash ult sure as if your flash was always up, as if the enemy team didn't have any cc, as if malph didn't have Q to approach too. One shot him? Yeah sure except he's tanky asf just by getting rod of ages mercs and zhonias. While one shorting u too. Mundo spams cleaver and usually outspeeds you, Sett is bs too.

[@mitchellmiller6644]

@@ruiribeiro8010 of the 3 you said only one that is hard to play around is sett Mundo and malph especially ap malph gets bodied by almost any top laners that gets played because they are easy to play around and even easier to kite

[@sekinnnnn1121]

look what they did to my Volibear

[@ruiribeiro8010]

@@mitchellmiller6644 Malph doesn't have to win lane lmao he just needs to get lvl 6 and get items asap, he can literally go full tank be 0/5 and still one shot adcs, as AP malph he takes like 3 quarters of your hp with ult alone. You just said that he's easy to kite? NOTHING that has an ult like that and a point click Q that steals speed is easy to kite. Mundo has a perma slow ez to land projectile and high mov speed all the time. He's impossible to kill with ult up, even if you ignite it barely does anything. Now Voli, that's basically Sett, but has mobility.

[@wetnoodlex]

"riot did not like the idea of the tank that also did damage" most of the viable tanks now: does damage

[@tiltedmalzahar7006]

some don't outdamage you, they outtank you, let that sink.

[@themagikarp9676]

irelia is more tanky than a real tank and still one shot you.

[@Nekufan1000000]

Yeah, Chris, but then you have fucking Poppy who lives under tower for the first 20 minutes, and it's not until she builds Sunfire, boots, and Warmogs that she can out damage a fucking Mundo main. I know, because I've played Poppy quite a lot. She's so incredibly late game it's stupid. Like, why does she need a SECOND rework that involves giving her something that actually hurts? She uses a fucking HAMMER, she should be big dick damage by default. But I get it, she has utility. ...that's why the best role for her is jungler now even though 90% play her top lane, because her jungle clear is ridiculously slow too. It's just absurd how fast the meta has shifted with champs like Yasuo and gun bishi. If your champ isn't at least landing in the A tier of the meta expect to get stomped pretty frequently. It really shows when the last Challenger Poppy I saw ran jungle and went like 8/4, and the last Poppy in top I saw was a Diamond who did 9/3 by being a hard counter. The difference between a challenger and a Diamond was 1/1. A KOREAN Challenger I might add, and an NA Diamond, for all of your "Korean Bronze is NA Challenger" memes. It's stupid, dude. A lot of tanks out tank and out damage, while the ones that can out tank can't out tank other tanks because of their damage.

[@liviomoreira2457]

@@themagikarp9676 in wich world do you live?

[@dr.dylansgame5583]

@@themagikarp9676 mabye like last season and even then it was debatable but now her w doesnt block over half the shit in the game and is now nigh useless for absorbing damage especially against a player who isnt braindead

[@nicolasramirez5789]

Riot: we don't like the champions being tanky and dealing damage Also Riot: Let me introduce *ORNN*

[@lakejizzio7777]

Ornnhub

[@emflores4286]

Pls dont give people idea. At least until i reach grandmaster XD

[@gang6522]

Dont forget fucking poppy

[@michakowalski5405]

ornn has damage, but poppy is absolutely fucking disgusting

[@rilesthegiles]

@@michakowalski5405 Ornns passive tho. Ornns percent health tho.

[@TranarchistVi]

Exil: says Tank Ekko My ptsd from season six: ahh shit here we go again

[@genieali7178]

remember tank fizz yeahhhh that was my main until the nerfs

[@budsmoker4202]

@@genieali7178 you fucking piece of shit

[@fasasplay]

I loved to play tank nidalee top, was such a cool build :C

[@LanceForLife]

You need simpler characters, coming from a fighting game view point, it's easier to learn "the game" when you don't have to focus so much on execution.

[@TheWhiteyOfDarkness]

But they need to be fun. I think Mundo can be fun. Tryndamere can be fun. But unlike them Volibears Design doesn't fit his character. He feels more like "just a bear" than a thunder god.

[@VONFGC]

There are less than five hard characters in this game.

[@LanceForLife]

@@VONFGC yeah but if you where teaching a friend you wouldn't start with a zed or aphelios you prob start them with a mundo or blitzcrank

[@michaelkeha]

@@VONFGC dude for a rookie player most of the champs are incredibly hard to even get the basics of their kit down on top of having to learn the game itself

[@ViewtifulCombo]

woah I didnt expect to see you here lol

[@wakkaseta8351]

So Stat-Sticks aren't fun because you can beat them with your 5 dashes, 7 CCs, and %health True Damage if you play smart, but if you misplay and let them get onto you, you can't beat them despite your 5 dashes, 7 CCs, and %health True Damage?

[@ibrahimjouni3458]

Yep that's what he's saying, sounds like bronze tbh

[@adapt3016]

@@ibrahimjouni3458 ikr. its not even a lol thing, every moba has run at you type characters and they all function the same way AND just like league, its usually only noobs and shit players that complain about these type of characters. I mean, whats so hard in running from Mundo with your 5 dashes, frame immunity and point and click cc?

[@easytooner55]

And there are items that basically destroy his ult and passive

[@BoardshotSkateboarding]

Which champion has 5 dashes, 7 CCs (?) and %healt True Damage?

[@BoardshotSkateboarding]

@Pika Poo nah

[@slandgkearth]

Oh volibear my first ever 6300IP champ, it was at season 3 when using that bad boi i learned how to play the game :'c ill miss him.

[@pavlepejovic5165]

Same for me but i started playing in s6. I cant wait for voli rework so i can hopefuly play him again :(

[@YurMommy]

Arent they reworking hin with fiddle?

[@Aliens1337]

@@YurMommy Yup, and I think they will remain fairly simple. These reworks came from the team that reworked Pantheon. Most of Panth's kit is still the same, spear throw, point-and-click stun, man drop, even his guaranteed crit on low health. They just added more skill expression with Panth, but his gameplay is the same. Hopefully Fid and Voli stay that way.

[@dizzyheads]

Apparently his W will likely be the same or atleast similiar

[@MartinDoesLife]

@@Aliens1337 i hope they wont ruin him like thex did with pantheon

[@Hawkotelli]

"riot did not like the idea of the tank that also did damage" *LAUGHS IN 2020*

[@gawrgurahololive-en1807]

S4-S6 The *GOLDEN AGE of LoL* now it's a bunch of mechanically overloaded crap with good picture. Thanx god we still have Nasus, Vaigar and Teemo. At least yet.

[@3van660]

@@gawrgurahololive-en1807 veigar and nasus are two of the most boring champions in the game

[@gawrgurahololive-en1807]

@@3van660 They must be boring... but they do their job well against overloaded poo. Shame that they reworked Irelia.

[@TheLedan]

Dude, this aged EXTREMELY well

[@agonbehrami4327]

They still laughin

[@AkiRa22084]

How is avoiding cleavers and kiting a Mundo not out-playing?! Any champ is going to have a bad time with 6 Hexdrinkers...

[@gliath888]

He also seems to forget you can counter or outplay with summoner's like ignite or exhaust and that health gimping items hurt mundo a lot like Morello's or Executioner's blade. lol

[@TheBigYC]

This video is really stupid. Like if dodging other melee tank/bruisers skillshots and kiting them won't make you win the fight.

[@simonsalgueiro6217]

Is this the Mundo mains part of the comments?

[@AkiRa22084]

Oh, this comment went kinda viral? @@simonsalgueiro6217 I don't remember when I last played Mundo in this decade...

[@adrien4269]

@@gliath888 Yeah, going for an almost 3k gold item really is a viable solution lmao.

[@Greedude]

I started League around 9 months ago. I mainly play Shyvana, I have 100k mastery on her. This guy I qued with went Shyvana top and claimed that he used to be a Shyvana main. Now I know where the whole Shyvana top thing came from. He went 0/11/1, losing us the game and disconnecting soon after. :'(

[@cs_derp]

never trust anybody in ranked

[@cs_derp]

but to be fair he was a shyvana main a shyvana top inting main

[@newtypeinstinct4294]

Lmfao "Trynd and Mundo don't have counterplay that's why we're reworking them" *looks at Kai'sa and Akali*

[@dac518]

Looking at vayne and zoe

[@jagosvujovic2086]

Yea but these champs are about just pressing e every 2 seconds and right clicking on the person you want to kill with no actual mechanics involved while akali and kaisa usually require you to do more than that even tho they are broken and most players cant utilize those champs to the fullest and if you can thats when they become truly broken and thats when they become a problem, but that doesnt happen in your plat games where nobody knows how to actually play akali or kaisa or irelia and so on

[@newtypeinstinct4294]

@@jagosvujovic2086 Kai'sa is hands down the easiest adc there is, not because of her micro, which does have some dephth but because of her makro play. Even the worst adc player will easily be able to pick up Kai'sa because her kit is so overloaded with utility that you don't even have to position yourself well or know how to kite.

[@jagosvujovic2086]

@@newtypeinstinct4294 yea that kinda true because you have to realize kaisa has one of the lowest if not the lowest aa range out of all adcs and playing kaisa involves a lot more kiting than usual which you do need decent mechanics for but shes nothing insane mechanically that is true

[@jagosvujovic2086]

Cait or xayah for an example are a lot more brain damaged than kaisa especially cait but they do have a lot less mobility and kaisa having invisibility as well as insane mobility and a shield is definitely retarded and shouldnt be in the game tho and she can also build zhonyas and banshees too which is insanely dumb

[@Rivetoni]

Stat stick champs need to stay. As annoying as they may be, if I started league and didn’t use old chogath, kayle, and Annie as my main champs... I probably would have quit the game. New players NEED these easy to pick up champs to help them get a grasp at learning this challenging game. If a new player try’s to learn a champ like yasuo, riven, or zed, they may have a bad experience and give up.

[@sharedock5374]

Honestly there are many champions that aren't that hard to learn but still not as obnoxious as volibear or garen: malz, anivia, morg, blitzcrank, ahri, alistar, ashe, brand, corki, galio and on and on...

[@fostinator69]

Is olaf a stat stick? As a top laner

[@Rivetoni]

Pururu puru riven is known in almost every champion skill list as being the single most difficult champion to master in the game. Unless you have at least a hundred hours on her, your win rate is very bad. Yasuo is usually ranked somewhere in the top 5 because he has so many mechanical intricacies that make him hard to master as well. I would not say it’s easy to do well in low elo with these champs because 9 times out of 10 I see them feed there asses off

[@Rivetoni]

bbb yes I would say Olaf is a stat stick but it is kinda important to land your q. His kit is simple enough that he can just sit there and auto you with life steal and out stat you to death

[@evangelosvasiliades1204]

The Pantheon rework is a great example of the middle ground riot is plenty aware of. He is straight forward and a new player can still definitely have a great time with Pantheon, but he also has some depth and isnt as braindead as the true star sticks, same with the very well done Mordekaiser rework.

[@FrederikSeerupNielsen]

"Riot did not like the idea of this tank dealing damage" and i can't help but think of shen.

[@marcbousaleh]

shen is balanced dude learn to play against him

[@VideoSmashers]

All I know is that these new champs are too overloaded and are unhealthy for the game. Alot of them have very high ban rates tbh its just adding more randomness to the game like with aphelios having different weapon combos and shit. They should go back to champions that had a certain play style unlike aphelios which feels like abit of everything being able to root, do aoe damage, and poke is really annoying and not what is want in the game. I think sett has one of the least loaded kit compared to the other new champs and feels better to play and to play against. Which is funny because sett is kinda a stat champ he has built in health regen and percent health damage but still has intresting mechanics. I hope more champs are like him in the future.

[@sliced.br34d]

Yeah I agree with you too I just wanna go back to the old days of league than the new league of legends now.

[@johnreeves3876]

People dont like to die vs stat check champs but whats even worse are overloaded champs that disrupt the normal pattern of the game. Yes a mundo who is lvl 16 with 4 items should be able to kill you, are you mad because he right clicked you and pressed q. Too bad. I am mad when akali walks into top lane and she auto wins every lane phase vs all bruisers and tanks and I cant use 80% of my kit because she can go stealth, dictate the trades with her mobility and when I do catch her she out trades me anyway. Are you mad Darius 1v2'd your top and jg, HEY! maybe the lanner should not have given him free 5 stack and the jg should not get hit by darius Q with his lanner. These are simple things you can counterplay yourself vs things like pyke who are unkillable starting fights and cleaning them up. Its overloaded kits that are banned in high elo not the stat check ones, they do well in low elo but the simple solution is to just learn the game and play better where these new champs coming out feel they are only fun for that player to use not play against.

[@dtrix9991]

Well the only problematic champ for me is Mundo literally doesn't do anything just runs up to you and autos you to death while literally being unkillable

[@willboyheroify]

Or just get good lol if you want to play the game casually then do so and dont play ranked. If you want it to be hard and competitive then you need to learn these champs. Its not hard man. Its a personal choice. Thats why you dont see pro players quitting the game whenever a new champion comes out. Its because they are willing to figure them out. If you just wanna play the game for fun then just do so in normal games

[@dtrix9991]

@@willboyheroify ey mr did i whine about any new champ? No i just said i find the idea of Mundo stupid. Dont say anything based on your assumptions. You calling someone bad based on nothing is rly stupid. Im sure u too have a champ or two which u dont find broken just annoying to play against.

[@beastlance]

My philosophy on stat-stick champs is that they should naturally have a little bit more stats than skill based champions, but skill based champs should be able to outplay them making skill based champs better in higher elos of play. Max health damage on tanks and percentage true damage on auto attacks is still bullshit though.

[@dampintellect]

Ornn roles up 40% Slow, Knock up, 16% HP dmg, 20% HP dmg, mini stun, 80% Slow, 20% HP dmg, Knock up, 20% HP dmg, mini stun. Ah the joy if being hit by 6 CCs in a row from one champ and taking 76% maximum hp dmg from them. Not even counting base numbers damage or scaling just max HP% damage.

[@B03-d6u]

Mate do you meant that true damage or max lifw damage is broken?

[@beastlance]

@@B03-d6u True damage is a fine mechanic, it's too bad Riot handles it like shit.

[@beastlance]

@@dampintellect Ornn is hella overtuned right now and desperately needs to be nerfed. Oh, and don't forget about his passive effects as well!

[@eonnephilim852]

Max HP% true damage B r u h

[@drewblackmatter6669]

Riot: NO MORE STAT STICKS! also Riot: *creates the Mordekaiser rework*

[@dakbassett]

Exactly what I said! This video is a joke.

[@duc2133]

I feel like the kayle rework is the same way. Sure your q is now a skill shot, your ult doesn’t let you attack so u have to pick and choose when to use, but even before and after the 16 true dmg nerf, she’s basically a stat stick champion

[@yamispade]

@@duc2133 I personally hate the Kayle rework.

[@Topunito]

Yep, I hate dodging every Q as Aatrox against a non fed Mord and still dying cuz of his passive damage being OP, his AAs dealing too much damage and him being tanky for no reason.

[@Topunito]

It really is laughable how the old Mord was more fun and had more counterplay. He still wasn't healthy but how can you be so bad at designing kits that you rework an old champion because he's unhealthy and he ends up being even more unhealthy after the rework. Damn I miss the old Mord.

[@gustavkristofersson1326]

For such a small(ish) channel the production quality always amazes me! Great job Exil keep it up!

[@Exil22]

Thank you!!

[@drazenklikovac2964]

yo boi check this, we talkin bout thousands

[@spaceclan9654]

This type of videos are so entertaining bro

[@Exil22]

Thank you!!

[@spaceclan9654]

@@Exil22 ow BTW ur voice-over in proguides videos is the best

[@elena440]

I really hope calling CHARACTERS "stat sticks" in a game that has actual stat sticks isn't a thing that catches on.

[@gudadada]

"riot did not like the idea of the tank that also did damage" This did not age well.

[@MrJinglejanglejingle]

They may not be fun and engaging... But they are good for learning macro play, in my experience. If you're not so focused on pulling off your 150 different 'mechanics', you can focus on what's going on in the game. You can check bot, you can check mid. Look for ganks. Look to invade. If you don't need to worry about combos and all kinds of other nonsense, you can learn to work the macro, as 'mechanic'-heavy champs tend to reward good micro.

[@OpiatesAndTits]

MrJinglejanglejingle that’s the difference between simple and stat checks. Sett is fairly simple to learn and execute for example. Simple champs are going to be less versatile and swing harder with matchup strength (either really good or really bad). I think the line between simple and stat check is a difficult one, but you could argue the answer is to shut them down. This is where the design of league fails. No denies, no gold loss on death, no buyback to sink gold. Stat check champs are a ticking time bomb and yes you can kill them to take them off the board but that gold marches ever forward. Stat checks are only a problem because counters don’t exist (well Mundo can get healing cut). Like most issues with league it’s the core gameplay that ends up being the problem and the design philosophy backing it.

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

@@OpiatesAndTits stat check champions never work well, because their nature is binary. they win or they lose. if they win they're utterly broken, if they lose the enemy can abuse them and make sure the game is over before they get enough stats. riot seemed to realize it... and then they went back to stat checks somehow and we got kaisa and aphelios.

[@MrBodoking]

@@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz All ADC's are Stat Checks. Some less and some more.

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

@@MrBodoking that's why this game is so broken

[@MrBodoking]

@@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz Wouldnt say so. Get ulted by a Zed and theres literely no counterplay to that either.

[@BabyConan41]

I think the extinction of the stat stick champions is why no matter how much I get tempted to reopen league and try to get back into it after pouring so much time and energy into this game for several years, I know that I probably shouldn't bother. These are the types of characters that I enjoyed and where i found success, and these were also the type of items I tended to love building. I was very attracted to the low risk nature of these champions and kits, and that a character who seemed a bit underwhelming and unheralded at first glance could secretly be an OP team saving behemoth if you put in the work to really look carefully into it's abilities and had a strong deep knowledge of the game to build optimally. I especially loved stat stick tanks and supports who were so effective at what they did behind the scenes that many times not even my own team could tell. I enjoyed the security of knowing that even as a player who is rather mechanically poor I could be an asset that helps my team win pretty much no matter what. I absolutely loved planting myself right on the ADC in the late game and watching him go to town thanks to my giant stacks of ally boosting auras and easy, fail proof CC. Even when he had no idea that *i* was the biggest reason why he was melting everyone's faces off. Or perhaps it was *especially* gratifying to me to think that he didn't know, and thought it was all just him being awesome at this game. I loved lighting up the entire jungle with wards while the enemy team had almost none and seeing all their attempts at an ambush collapse into disaster. Other players may have been more skilled then me, had better reflexes, made better snap decisions, and most likely could wipe the floor with me in pretty much any other online multiplayer game. But in this game, with nothing more then knowledge, careful positioning, the right attitude, and a team first mentality I could compete against them and be an asset to my team instead of an anchor and give us a shot to beat the stuffing out of them anyway. Every. Single. Game. Especially in a solo que environment where unselfish players were quite rare, it could really make you feel a bit special in a weird sort of way. When Taric was reworked I was actually pretty devestated and I couldn't quite put my finger on why until now. Taric may have been the perfect representation of what I liked best about this game and the type of champions I was drawn to. His new boom or bust ultimate was something I just couldn't get over, probably because it was riot stating it's intentions very loud and clear that they would not abide these simple, fail-proof, subtly OP designs anymore. I wouldn't get to sit in smug superiority at the idea that I'm the only one who understands how Trundle's ultimate works and why I'm winning every duel, or how useful my shatter is making things for our team's rapidly more fed ADC. Or how I was warding harder then the opposing support who got stuck with the role out of necessity instead of volunteering for it. Or enjoy the security of knowing it would be really really hard for me to, personally, screw up my champion's abilities and ruin my team's chances in a critical fight. I was honestly a scrub that found a way to be useful, and maybe even be the difference maker in a match. I admit it doesn't make for very good viewing for esports, and at the highest levels of the game, where everyone has the same insane level of mechanical ability it can be a bit lame to waste a player's talents on such a seemingly dull and ordinary champion like Taric or Dr. Mundo, which they really only pick because of how useful to a team they can be. But without these kinds of characters, a scrub can only be a scrub. I can't help but feel that's a bit of a shame, it was really neat that this was a game where there was more then one way to be successful. I miss league because when I do watch it I think it still looks really fun but I also can't help but feel it's a game that's passed me by and is no longer suited to the type of playstyle I want to have.

[@MrShobek]

The taric rework and crushed my soul. Akali was my number one. Taric was my number 2. My first time into platinum taric was one of my matches and I carried hard with him as support. I actually got first blood under tower and snowballed the game. He made my series succeed. I'm with you bro. Not interested in leagues direction. I'm an old diamond statstick main. Apparently I'm unwanted so I just play with friends and help them climb to gold or Plat.

[@MrShobek]

Just wait for league classic it's inevitable

[@silviafox78]

I hear you loud and clear... I had a ton of champs get horrible reworks. This is including the support Taric, soraka, kayle(yes support-kayle, It was absolutely incredible), and janna who I believe was the least changed so far. In the end I was maining kayle and janna and (can't believe it myself) Jungle Shaco. I quit out of frustration when I saw that every single new champ coming out was some sort of AD Nuke which somehow burst just as hard as veigar... and all my go-to champs shrunk from around 20 down to about 3. Simply because I hated all reworked champs because they did not play my playstyle. Over half a decade of playing right down the tubes! I might as well have never started it in the first place! In other words You are NOT the only one who feels this way!

[@dopemandan1810]

maybe the problem about my computer isnt because of the wifi but rather the size of this comment

[@Silferas]

Yea I'm quite unhappy myself. I just came back to league after years of absence and found most of my favourite champions reworked. At first I was excited but after trying out Irelia, Akali, Fiora, Graves, Mordekaiser, Pantheon and Talon, I've found none of them feel even remotely the same. Some of the changes have been nice and needed, sure, but most of them feel like consistency and skill floor nerfs rather than anything else. Why does everything need to be turned into a skillshot? Where is the build variety? I remember Irelia used to be able to build attack speed exclusively first 15 minutes of the game and still hard carry with maxing the true damage blade skill. Or go Triforce, or tanky, or whatever the situation called for. And now that I've finally settled on playing nocturne jungle due to his straightforward kit, I find out they're reworking him too. God damn it Riot, not everyone playing your game has hours upon hours just to practice mechanics. If I get a 6 kill lead I wanna tear the enemy jungler apart. I don't want to have to "outplay" him. He is the one who is behind, right? It shouldn't fall upon me to demonstrate superior microplay when I've already demonstrated superior macro. I've even heard rumours of Yi getting a rework (think it was mentioned in the vid too). What's wrong with non-adc auto-attack based champions? If I'm fed I wanna scale too. I love playing Elise, but when I have a huge lead on her (let's say 10+ kills), it just means I get to one-shot an enemy faster, it doesn't mean I can 1v3 them. On Yi or Nocturne however, I might be able to, depending on who those enemies are. But those champions are apparently getting reworked soon. And so is Tryndamere and soon all the auto-attack melees will be gone because they don't need to land 3 skill shots and make all the spectators moist when somebody does it in a tournament.

[@secret3811]

I consider your videos on the level of National geographic documentaries.

[@epser5842]

I consider your videos on the level of Indian guys on youtube.

[@sirwilliams5532]

What do you mean give him the Nobel-Peace prize already

[@duckymomo7935]

His videos get outdated fast sadly

[@epser5842]

@@duckymomo7935 So do national geographic's... cuz the animals are all dead.

[@ffjayy7046]

LOL I like Exil but come the fuck on...

[@warmooze]

"Rito didn't like the idea of a tank also dealing dmg" Yes, it would be completely bonkers if a full tank Zac dealt the most dmg in a match. Oh, wait...

[@pontikos69]

League high on meth gaming.

[@jewishjojo]

I love these videos so much

[@Exil22]

thank you!

[@filipmoravcik1506]

This taste, is the taste of a great video, Exil!

[@justsomeweebwithoutanpfp9082]

@@filipmoravcik1506 nice reference

[@petergeramin7195]

JO-JEW JEWvana

[@jewishjojo]

Peter Geramin : 0

[@somerandomgamer8504]

Another so fast! You do some great work, man!

[@jackyllhuy4978]

When you stay in the jungle as Yi for 20 mins and just click others to death

[@блаблаблаблабла-э1г]

IMO riot don't want to just remove simple champs that don't need that much of a skill. And new champ Sett kinda proves this point. He's not that much of a stat stick but his kit is still rather simple and straightforward with no need to have 1kk apm in order to be useful in game. The problem with stat sticks is that they're rather difficult to balance for both high and low elo at the same time and that they're just borring to fight againts. As you said in the vid, its either you have enough stats to survive theit attack or you don't with little to no outplay potential. That's why I think that reworking such champions into what's closer to the new riot design philosophy is actually good idea, although I'd definitelly prefer if they kept 1 or 2 of them as they're now, just to have good old simple mundo game now and then. P.S: sorry if there're any mistakes. I'm not native english speaker and I'm rather drunk right now

[@grapegod6646]

Have confidence in your english, it is very good.

[@ludimsalazar]

@@grapegod6646 eh, i wouldnt be so confident if i was drunk too

[@MultiStarboard]

@@ludimsalazar Some people actually lose confidence when they're drunk?? And OP, no need to apologize for not speaking perfect foreign language 😁😇

[@makes58]

Sett's actually a stat stick.

[@B03-d6u]

I dissagree. Do you know the feeling when you pick jax against master yi its like yeah i unterstand why the draft is important. Stattstics have clear counters and if you pick them they are not that big of a thread. To show you what i mean pick morgana supp into a blitzcrank on paper a counter pick but i dont think that Morg is help full in iron silver or gold and even plat i can think of ways to enable the bc to make that 1 hook that his team needed. The joy you get from just farming jungle with yi or jax is nothing compared to khartus. To just chill out rightklick only champs are the best in my opinion, tell me what you think about it.

[@Ghostyfreaks]

"Hulk smash" - ehm I mean "Mundo goes where e pleases" For god's sake please let us keep a few simple champions

[@hurricanex3142]

They will. Source: see sett.

[@evangelosvasiliades1204]

Sett release, Morde rework, Panth rework. Your good.

[@nightcoon5374]

Riot should implement something like Classic League Imagine a Game Mode like urf where you Play Seoson 1-5 again

[@envyus9634]

Chronoshift

[@sharpstealz858]

Such a good idea ngl

[@renatoramos8834]

9:30 "Riot did not like the idea of this tank who also did damage" hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Breaths HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@peterd4047]

Mord lol

[@clover9812]

ornn/sion/almost every tank doing more damage than assassins early game be like

[@renatoramos8834]

@@clover9812 Also darius, illaoi, Galio, gangplank, gnar, mundo... And not just early game.

[@veigar1shot873]

@@clover9812 they need higher base damage to get them through the mid game

[@veigar1shot873]

@@renatoramos8834 darius, illaoi, galio, gangplank, and gnar are all bruisers who build damage items with tank items. The reason why they do damage is because they build damage and the people that they are most likely damaging have little to no defensive stats.

[@theodosieboss200]

you are literally the best league content creator. love this chanel so much! keep up the good work man!!

[@Exil22]

thank you so much for the kind words!

[@drhoneybadger]

He analyzes the game on such a deeper level than everyone else. Most people don't even consider talking about this type of stuff

[@kutokutosan7637]

“The champion design everyone hates” You sure its only one champion?

[@Exil22]

Lol

[@N12015]

I'm sure the kind of champions everyone hates are assasins. Even tank mains hate those things.

[@mkploeg]

i will cry when they finally rework and destroy mundo

[@khurelbatbayanbat7913]

mike ploeg inb rework has even more cleaver e and r

[@arealloner]

Mundo can burn😤😤

[@mohamadzakaria96]

But they will give him 3 dashes and invis.

[@khurelbatbayanbat7913]

Mohamad Zakaria his ult now makes him invisible and heals him for 50-75% hp. To compensate they remove his e’s ad bonus and now does ap damage sacking with attack speed for some reason

[@bendovahkiin8405]

mundo go where he pleases

[@HaitunPilot]

I miss when the game was full of these champions. Simpler times, fun times.

[@CrRaZzyX]

Speaking the truth brother.

[@acccident3349]

@bokprop420 If everyone switches to dota, it's gonna end up becoming the same shit. Lol became this because of the huge amount of players you know.

[@midnightttemp821]

I miss so much the old Katarina and the old Fiora

[@zena2239]

@@acccident3349 Doesn't dota have even more players than league though?

[@jonbeauh9547]

riot doesnt like tanks who do damage so they made up juggernaut as a term to refer to the champs who just build 1 damage item and full tank and 1v9

[@whyomgwhywtf]

This video: simple stat champs are outdated and are out the door Riot: releases Sett

[@whyomgwhywtf]

@drigombp15 what about their kits is bad?

[@whyomgwhywtf]

@drigombp15 whats wrong with simple?

[@whyomgwhywtf]

@drigombp15 which are far too complex for new players. If you were brand new to the game and your first play experience was emo moon boy or Qyiana there is a good chance you wouldnt ever play again.

[@aspect8696]

@@whyomgwhywtf Facts

[@jozokrstanovic9040]

@@whyomgwhywtf Yeah, the good old days when ADC having an escape was really hard to find, and those escapes were on high cooldown and they had to use them to position correctly. Now Kai'sa goes in, builds 4 damage items+ zhonya, ults for 1k shield aoe's your entire team, goes invisible, uses zhonya, goes invisible again, all while having flash and heal.

[@Karnikula]

You are underplaying the engagement between players not trading blows through 9001APM ability spam that cuts across the screen six times each and instead setting and taking fights correctly and having to make the continuous judgement of whether they're still okay if their enemy just starts running at them. Sure, it's cool to watch high APM talents juke it out in a zoe vs. zed matchup mid - but as the average joe I want to play league and be rewarded for good decision making, which "stat stick" champions are all about. You say "either they're ontop of you and they win or you manage to kite them and they lose" as if that is not very interactive gameplay between two champions. And this statement only accounts in ranged vs. "stat stick" matchups, in melee versus "stat stick" there is no kiting there is only the constant threat of engage and the question if you're ready for it, on both sides. Leagues newest addition feel like "if your enemy masters this champion you lose automatically if you're not playing something that can also dodge everything." It doesn't feel fair at all to play against yasuo's windwall because there is no counterplay to something that simply absorbs everything you do automatically. Sure he has to place it before you kill him but that's not really all that much to ask. Dashing through minions looks interesting but it's not hard to do and doesn't open up any counterplay against yasuo either, only the other way around. The new champions come with all the grand new possibilites of outplaying you and none of the possibilities of being outplayed themselves. Old champions can be outplayed through simple side stepping and advancing and retreating at the right moments, setting up fights correctly and leaving no room for escape. New champions can seemingly randomly win fights and escape lost ones through happily spamming their abilities to dodge everything. You've done everything correctly but you still lose the fight or achieve nothing because their movement patterns are so overloaded that neither you nor your opponent can really track their position and make choices around it / hit skillshots. It's devolving into a spamfest which is all about who runs out of dashes/teleports/self-immunities first and is still stupid enough to stick around.

[@freekiexxxxx4874]

"riot doesnt like the idea of tank who also did damage" some years later: *Sion rework *Release ornn *Release K'sante *HEARTSTEEL Good Job Riot!!!!

[@peterpeterson4800]

4:35 "There is no real way to outplay a Mundo" There is also no way Mundo can outplay other champions. He either farmed well enough and made good basic decisions, which leads to him being able to kill you, or he didn't. I think that all these reworks and new champs are ruining the old ones. They aren't outdated, but many new champs don't belong in the game. Maybe Mundo is a bad example, but sometimes I feel like I can do nothing with certain old champs, when I am just a bit behind some enemy champ with an overloaded kit with a dash or two, cc, a projectile and stealth etc. Of course you get chased or kited or they just jump over the wall. What can you do? And while I've never played Yasuo, or most of those new champions, I don't feel like it can be really that hard to just spam your jump on the minionwave as yasuo or irelia, or windwall in any direction as yasuo, or hit your knockup as yasuo. I'm talking a lot about this cancer ninja, lol. I don't think it is fair that many champions have so much movement speed or so many jumps and dashes now. Champs with a lot of skillshots just get left in the dust, because they can't hit shit if the enemy is half decent and can dodge. I feel like dodging is a lot easier than hitting shots, because it can actually be done without using abilities by just sidestepping fast enough in many cases. Add in the ton of champions that have high mobility now, and you are completely fucked when playing a classic skillshot mage. But look at Master Yi for example. He can "outplay" other champs, in teamfights especially, by timing his q to dodge abilities, and timing his w to tank. He is a statstick himself, because melee adc's suck, and it takes one stun to kill him. Just like Tryndamere who gets mostly kited during his ult and then dies by many team compositions. I've played some arams with Yi, and it's not that hard to pull off. You just have to get lucky on the first kill for the reset, or safe your q for the first dodge and just follow up after a teammate gave you an opening with cc or by tanking or distracting the enemy at least. And boom you just penta the enemy team, because who can react when they are dead in 1 second, after you just teleported behind them with your q. Nothin' personell kid.

[@johnreeves3876]

These new champion kits are outplaying everyone not because the player is good but because like you said they have a dash that goes over a wall if the trade looks bad they have a stealth that turns off all your auto attacks. These are not well timed abilities they are just win trade now buttons that allow worse players to beat better ones based on kits. This is just further pushing a counter pick meta to the extreme where the macro of the game matters less and less until even a much lower ranked player on these newer champs can "out micro" you and win lane.

[@skinybonesjacob]

this guy tells truth

[@ScarletFury_]

"Riot didn't like the idea of tanks doing damage" OMEGALUL

[@loganhaga9059]

*Laughs in cho’gath*

[@cameronbartlett856]

Season 2 Gragas

[@XantoS771]

O R N N

[@loki-ur9xx]

laughs in 1000 stack Nasus

[@N12015]

He made a mistake, he wanted to say "Riot don't like the idea of tanks being resistent"

[@Xennbrull]

"We didnt like tanks dealing damage." Ornn: Exists. Cho'gath: Exists. Zac: Exists. Riot games :zzz:

[@madlad7837]

Poppy.

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

tahm kench >

[@zhejinanimde3095]

Nautilus (especially early).

[@autumngrace7742]

Sion

[@AoBomberman]

Trundle

[@HeltonYan]

Every single adc in the game is a stack check champion. Kog Maw might even be comparable to a ranged Dr Mundo: presses one skill and auto attacks you, and you have to dodge his ult (Mundo's Q). Truth is that riot games hates top laners and junglers, because they represent what old League used to be, and want to remove everything having to do with it. Think about this: Not a SINGLE stat check champion outside of the top lane and jungle has ever received these trash ass reworks that riot's been making.

[@ronildoshi5998]

Well yeah, cuz top is a wack ass lane. ADCs can by definition not be stat sticks, because stat stick requires being a tank or juggernaut with a lot of HP. The reason top lane gets all the big reworks is because nobody fucking misses there only being four viable top laners. A game where you can play Quinn, Gnar, or Urgot is just plain better than playing Mundo and cleaver spamming.

[@had-9288]

Ronil Doshi playing both as or against the first 2 champions you mentioned is not as fun as playing against Mundo. Quinn has less counterplay than Mundo as her vault is point and click, and stops melee characters from ever getting on top of her is she goes fleet or phase rush. Mundo you can dodge his cleavers and bully him early to delay his scaling. If top was filled with ranged characters that would be infinitely worse than if it was filled with stat sticks, because stack sticks at least allow me to cs when I’m playing a melee character.

[@HeltonYan]

@@ronildoshi5998 Stat Sticks require being tank or juggernaut with a lot of hp? My nigga, Riot said mordekaiser (A FULL AP MAGE) was considered a stat stick. Being stat stick, is being a champion that only requires numbers to out perform your oponent. The literal definition of an adc.

[@HeltonYan]

@@had-9288 The guy is out here telling me Yuumy aint stat stick.

[@PaladinfffLeeroy]

@@ronildoshi5998 Yes, because Quinn is a fun champion to play against when she knocks you away, blinds your asshole looking face and proceeds to poke you out of lane solely for the fact that she has ranged and that stupid hippity hoppity, get off my property jump thingy. FUN... **FUN** Oh yes, Urgot is fun to play against with his shotgun knees and infinite gattling gun where he becomes the same fucking sustain tank that Mundo is as long as there is somebody nearby. HMMMMM If only his kit made sure he could get close to people... **HHHHHMMMMMMMMMMM** Fun... I disagree. I find Mundo more fun to play against because he feels way less oppressive.

[@giannispapa1893]

Oh those Devourer moments with Yi/Jax/Ww were the best...

[@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz]

hey, you can use kaisa

[@oscarriquelme6256]

No they were not i hated that meta that was literally rightclicking to gain elo. How is that enjoyable

[@aomda355]

@@oscarriquelme6256 with ww all you had to do is click r and turn on auto attack leave your keyboard and mouse to get the kill

[@MrBodoking]

@@oscarriquelme6256 It wasnt as simple as that. With either a jgl with good gank setups or a counter jgl champion u could deny devourer pretty much to the point were those champions were useless.

[@giannispapa1893]

@@MrBodoking so true. It was 30 camps to kill I think as well and the spawn timers were not as short as now

[@forlornpreponderance2299]

I wish to experience the moment when small riot design team were discussing how to make Gragas. “Let’s make a fat man who throw barrels”

[@thefisherguy7269]

*riot before* : why dont we just make a ninja squirrel ? Or a fat man with a barrel...or a prince with a javelin *riot now* : alright so what if we make a inter-galactical space-o-phobia clauster fuck of a bahimeth that can switch between his 13 forms which all have cc...5 dashes a execute and a cc cleanse with 3 ults one of which is lockdown ultimate that allows you to oneshot a tank..and the other one scales of AP and AD and true physical damage and true health..and the last one has true stealth and the other two give passive lifesteal and passive true health.....also once the game hits 23:32 minutes in the game the dragon soul is automatically garaunteed to the team with said hero

[@aphrodi7463]

You kidding me . Mundo is such a satisfing champion . You got to chill for a whole game and not think about much in teamfight except making the B-line at enemy adc and watch him drop . Good times .

[@PorthoGamesBR]

I dont know if Malphite and Nasus are considered stat sticks because both of them have some level of strategy in their kits. Malphite cant deal much damage and dont have an escape, but has lots of CC, a good engage on his ult, a infinite shield, and a good poke on his Q. Nasus need to dominate last hitting minions and a good positioning on his E can change a team fight by taking out 40% of the enemy armor. But at the same time both of them are tanks that only run against the enemy because they have so much life that you cant kill them (Like Mundo)

[@julycastle7005]

My man uploads another banger, haven't seen it all but yeeeeee

[@Exil22]

thank you!

[@eskay_mochi]

I saw 20 minutes, I was like, "Daaaamn, I ain't stayin for this shit." I stayed the whole 20 minutes lol. Have an upvote.

[@dupenguinjeanmichel7216]

r/ihavereddit

[@speedwagonoverheaven9716]

DuPenguin Jean Michel stfu

[@dupenguinjeanmichel7216]

@@speedwagonoverheaven9716 Problem dumbass?

[@cryn6519]

I'll probably quit league after they rework Dr. Mundo, i love him so much... to hell with all these bazillion combo, high skill floor champs

[@waluigit-poses7767]

I like Mundo because when i play him, I role play as him is chat. "Mundo give friends surgery with big cleaver"

[@d4s0n282]

I recently got into him, OH BOY I AM HAVING TONS OF FUN WITH HIM :D I have played the game for about a month now btw

[@agonbehrami4327]

I hope he gets reworked. Biggest noob champ

[@d4s0n282]

@@agonbehrami4327 ??? is there is not a champ for new people how would new people get into the game? that legit makes no sense

[@agonbehrami4327]

@@d4s0n282 there are too many of them. Either rework or make them not broken.

[@TheStygian]

I actually really love the idea of simple champs like back in the day. Sometimes I just want something simple. Why remove it, just make it an option. Sometimes we play aphelios and sometimes we play tryndamere.

[@BootlegRevenant]

6:43 That soraka splash still gives me nightmares..

[@MrShobek]

Only Ad Carry's are allowed to be stat sticks. No one else...... ( Sarcasm ).

[@ZeroIsMany]

ADC is probably the best understood form of stat sticks contributing something to the game. They are heroes with a very straight forward scaling, that adds to strategy and playing the game at a 5v5 level, rather than looking at the complexity of heroes in a vacuum 1v1. Still, stat sticks need to have their balance looked at carefully, and could all use at least one ability that's a skill shot or anything that benefits from good timing and decision making. Because of straight forward scaling, stat sticks can very easily become 100% irrelevant compared to other champs filling the same niche, and the meta becomes stale if there are few options for counterplay.

[@rasmachris94]

I'd argue that makes sense, considering how squishy ADCS are and how useless they can be in fights if they are taken out by literally anyone on the enemy team. If any 'class' has a right to be a stat stick it's the ADC because it's literally their job to close out games, and that's traded off by them being squishy. But it looks like they're not even safe, given the recent releases, looking at kai'sa, aphelios and [although intended to be a support] senna.

[@adrien4269]

@@rasmachris94 "it's the ADC that has the right to be a stat stick" Nasus, Veigar, Cho gath, those kind of champions are made to be stat stick.

[@Manly2000Man]

@@rasmachris94 i dont want my whole game to be in control by someone else. What if my adc sucks dick and isnt able to close the game? Do i accept my defeat bcuz "its their job to close the game" ?

[@mozca]

@@Manly2000Man if that's how you see the game, then play as ADC and carry. The game is design to be team oriented...

[@stealthy9156]

"It's as simple as that". So champs with 3 dashes? Can i kite them too? The answer, no, unless your champ has some sort of mobility. Stat sticks are fun to play and whenever i take a break from league, i can play them, remember the basics, and get back again. Stat statics feel like, when they are ahead, that there is almost no counterplay for the average player. While i agree on that, there is also another thing to say. Now, im an anivia main, i love her and stuff, but playing against: -fizz -leblanc -yasuo -qyiana -akali feels incredibly frustrating. Fizz has to press one button to dodge the slowest skillshot in the game (or maybe 2nd-3rd), yasuo can zone me to china thanks to his passive, 3rd q and sort of infinite e, leblanc can donher full combo before my q even reaches her and go back to safety, and qyiana... Shes manageable. Her dashes are either really short and forced towards the element she needs, or quite long but on top of you, so i can stun her. Akali is super annoying post 6 unless im ahead, really fast in w, e isnt really an issue because either she uses it to gap-close or to dodge, losing one passive proc, her r is kinda a problem, but not nearly as the first 3. Those champs in some situations feel way too strong, and fizz and leblanc dont even need crazy mechanics, sure you gotta know your shit, but they easily outtrade you while you struggle to even lay a finger on them. And imagine if anivia had no egg

[@ab3240]

you're not meant to kite a champ with 3 dashes, and none of those champs you mentioned are stat sticks. if they want to fight you, they have plenty of ways to get to you. but they're not packing 4k gold in stats if they jump your ass at level 11 the way Mundo is. sure they're all rough matchups for Anivia but that is completely irrelevant to what this video is about....

[@stealthy9156]

@@ab3240 i know. Im just putting examples. Just as for some champs a well farmed/fed mundo running at you is almost impossible to counter, same goes for other champs getting runned down with 0 counterplay if the other guy has 2 braincells. And often these champs have pretty good base damage

[@ab3240]

@@stealthy9156 Lol, I guess you really, really missed the point of the video then. Mundo stat checks everyone in the entire game because he is a stat check champ. Even in matchups which are bad, there is way more counterplay to qiyana/LB/etc because they AREN'T stat check champs.They may be favored but they don't just boost their stats and run you down. They have dashes and crucial skillshots, all of which you can play around as Anivia or any champ really. By comparison, it's way more interesting and even easier to play around that than it is to play around Mundo's stats.

[@stealthy9156]

@@ab3240 yup, they dont need to boost their stats, they just run me down. Their skillshots are: -fizz r, leblanc e (w is hard to dodge so you gotta predict), akali e (dont tell me q is hard to land) and r (wich is why she sorta is manageable), qyiana can totally remove the skillshot by dashing on me, rooting me during dash (it becomes a target spell while dashing with e), and q me again while im standing still, yasuo can just dash on me if i dont position correctly, 3rd q me during dash (impossible to dodge as well, except with flash) and potentially kill me. Unless they make a really bad mistake, i cant play against them to win or even just win a trade. The concept is the same, they just run at me, beat me tho not because of their stats, but simply because it's impossible to punish because of their kit, while stat sticks are impossible to punish due to their stats. It feels the same to me. Playing against both feels frustrating. And it's just an example. It's like saying volibear fucks you up unless you have mobility, the reason you lose if hes ahead is because you dont have the tools to counter him in your kit. Same goes for certain matchups. So why dont they get reworked? Why dont they rework anivia because zed players witness the bane of their existance? Why dont they rework lee sin because kahrtus jungle players witness the bane of their existance (in early at least)? Simple, there has to be variety, and people has to learn to play around enemy mistakes, and if they dont make them, either you have a better matchup or you fuck up. So what differenciates playing into volibear or trynd and getting steamrolled because of their stats from playing into other champs and get steamrolled because their abilities make my useless? I dont really feel a difference

[@patrickt5089]

@@ab3240 please explain me how champs like fizz and leblanc are not stat check champs... they are not hard to play and if they do one rotation of skills either they kill you or they don't and lose. The determinant if they kill you or not is not skill but rather if they have enough stats aka ap or mpen.

[@POTATOEMPN]

Let us talk about the stat beast: Yasuo. Dude gets one crit item, and its his game at that point

[@henrykjohn78]

Nah, trust he isn't that good when you get better at the game. Malzahar is a strong counter

[@weaboo101]

Henryk John yeah, then again, a powerspiked yasuo and a good user is a fucking dangerous combination, but for the love of me, why do i always pair with a fucking stage 5 malignant tilted yasuo while my enemies gets the goods?!

[@mana8502]

James Olinares „a champ who has its *power*spike and is played by a good summoner is stronk“ thank u for the info

[@dhdtyied1785]

Yeah but yasuo has a skill cap unlike mundo

[@henrykjohn78]

Also build archangel staff on malzahar not Ludens. I've gotten 1000ap on malz and his R literally was the delete button

[@grimfin3214]

Hey Kellen do you think you might make a part 2 to your Tahm Kench video now that his kit has been severely nerfed

[@Exil22]

I might have to! that's a good point

[@skyper8934]

My boy is perfect the way he is rn. I always get 1st blood on him, you can build literally anything on him and it's fun to play

[@grimfin3214]

@@skyper8934 Yes but they removed so much of the depth from his kit that made us Kench mains in the first place

[@judeaberdeen6848]

@@skyper8934 same man hes so good in bronze 4 easy wins amirite?

[@skyper8934]

@@judeaberdeen6848 diamond elo lol

[@niklas0312]

**hugs old Akali for a last time before saying goodbye forever** I miss her :c

[@j3nki541]

+

[@xenariz]

old morde tho

Old galio and irelia

[@Lodinn]

@@xenariz AoD - 6v4 never forgetti

[@MrShobek]

I miss old Akali. I'll never shut up about it until Riot makes classic a classic league ladder. The new game is just as not fun anymore. Champs are too overloaded

[@dr4gonfly]

Another amazing video that was worth the whole 21 minutes. Keep up the great work

[@TheNitrean]

The issue I have with stat-sticks is how hard they snowball. a 2 kill master-yi or tryndamere is hard to stop.

[@stylesheetra9411]

That is not a stats problem Lol is all about snowballing, no buyback and items that become cheaper in higher tier are the problem

[@MrAdrian10002]

Riot while doing morde rework: -he's too complicated have too many mechanics lets make him simpler so he won't scare new players. Riot at the end of the production process: -it's the finest stat stick I have seen. -wait didn't we supposed to remove stat sticks since this type of champion is outdated and unfun to play against it?

[@GerjenTerMaat]

It really does fit mundo's design though that he's a walking steroid...

[@tonylovesducks2501]

renember when mundo used to be the only champion who can survive ryze top lane ?

[@rasmusf5615]

we here in 2023 and Nasus is still a the definition of stat stick.

[@andji3882]

"champion designs all hate" U mean, akali, qiyana, aphelios, mordekaiser?

[@kkangoru]

안드레아스 Akali, Aphelios and Mordekaiser I understand, but Qiyana you’d actually need a brain for to play (excluding her E+Q auto lock aimbot combo)

[@Kerri925]

@@kkangoru Akali is harder than qiyana, qiyana is just a more difficult talon.

[@cryodelta]

Morde is incredibely easy and fun to play but really anoying to fight against so i don't think that morde enter in the "champion designs that all hates" category...

[@UenoLocker54]

I don't much like Senna, Ekko or Lee.

[@rmxevbio5889]

@@Kerri925 Lol literally you can take half of the rival life by clicking two buttons.

[@WyWinner30]

I mean say what you will, but I'm pretty sure the new Mordekaiser is a ginormous stat-check

[@michaelledford3327]

A lot of champs are, every single class has a champ that is a stat check. Adc are stat checks by philosophy but exceptions happens. Stat checking is only okay if riot is okay with it, stat checking is an excuse for them to justify changes like changing aatrox from auto base to ability base. They could make an actual reason but they went with the stat check excuse.

[@WyWinner30]

@@michaelledford3327 Aatrox change was a nono but i think the others are relatively fine

[@Geheimnis-c2e]

Let's see... >runs at you >presses some buttons >can't fight him? you die >can fight him? he dies yep. he's a statcheck.

[@spartantnt1023]

What would you rather fight. A stat stick character like Xin Zhao, or a character were stat's are utterly worthless like Fiora? Personally i choose the character where itemization, decision making, and game knowledge actually matters... and not just picking a good match up into. Personally i think the latter is alot more unhealthy for any moba.

[@krzysztofcyran3593]

@@spartantnt1023 the latter is actually how Heroes od the storm works and look how this game did

[@memehevi2251]

i personally like some of the stat sticks, Volibear especially

[@ljaquos]

I unironically love playing stat stick characters. And maybe it's because of their simplicity. I come from being an ADC main, and transitioned into being a top/mid lane main. My instinct is to use my auto attacks to deal damage, and I feel extremely uncomfortable on most mages, or things like Riven. But when I pulled out old Aatrox (RIP) it was genuinely so insanely fun because of how well he complimented the ways that I play. I can say the same of pre-rework Volibear. I feel insanely comfortable on those champions because it's just what I like to do combined with a tanky booty that just won't quit. And Riot seems to want to remove the things I like from the game. It's just...incredibly frustrating.

[@gachalostitall979]

"Stealth, 5 dashes, 3 knock ups, and 7 windwalls" Ok ok, that was pretty funny.

[@jackalopegaming4948]

And a partridge in a pear tree

[@lucianogonzalez007]

The amount of work you put in these videos is just insane! Keep the good work, I love it!

[@Exil22]

Thank you!!!

[@Zerum69]

I believe stat stick champions are a necessity for the health of the game, not all players can do those fancy combos to insta win fights, either form a lack of hand to eye coordination or simply low fps and/or high ping, but what those players can do is learn to play on a higher view of the game... Learning to see a situation from a purely stat analysis point of view is a skill that you should learn to do, learning how gold efficiency works to know that if you're yasuo you'll probably stomp ryze at from levels 1 to 4 but if that ryze comes back with a seeker's armguard while you don't have any mr... you're gonna lose... hard... A lot of the player base likes to think characters like yasuo, riven, Lee sin, etc, are difficult simply because they have more options, but in the bigger picture to learn how to win fights with them you just need to learn to spell the right word on key, regardless of what your opponent does, that's not something that requires you to think, that's memory and repetition... And you can't have all champions be memory and repetition (you should have some don't get me wrong here) because half of the population can't even do that properly, not because they are dumb but because their brain works differently from a person who is good at remembering and repeating, half of the population learns from thinking situations out, and choosing the best simulated path instead of repeating the same action till it sticks... For this reason at least 1 stat stick should be available for every single role... They can't be op because otherwise they'll just rule above all opposition from their very nature (just look at garen before the resent nerfs) but they should be a viable option simply to be a option letting non flashy players improve even if they are from South America and are attempting to play in Korea and so they play with +200 ping every single match against ppl with -30 ping

[@Zlysium]

There is no shortage of simple kits in this game still. They can play any of the juggernauts with ease just to start and at least 5 champions out of every other class. You touched the nail on the head with the itemization problem though. Seeker's Armguard is 60 armor and 45 ability power for 1100 gold. If an ad champion wants to put 1100 gold into something they can get Caulfield's warhammer where they only get a pickaxe worth of ad (25) and 10% cdr. Itemization in this game is weighted so heavily in favor of mages that it makes things like Mordekaiser possible where he's supposed to be a Juggernaut, in the same class as Darius/Garen but because he can build AP items he's actually just 10x better than either of them can ever hope to be. Also Garen falls off by gold his win and play rates plummet by gold because in higher elos he gets progressively weaker. Don't think he ever needed nerfs xD

[@johnreeves3876]

If these stat check champs are so easy to play then why are there Trynd players from iron to challenger? The game is not easy to play and at least 60% of players in ranked do not know how to play their champs never mind the enemies. There is very little difference between how much of a kit even a diamond player can utilize properly between champs like Riven and Garen. So dont tell me that "these" new champs are so much "harder" to play. Putting these overloaded kits into the game ruin you ability to express skill because now a champions kit can outplay you instead of the player themselves. Making it harder for good players to abuse poor players. Diamond Trynd vs gold Akali I wonder who will win trades???

[@unlimitedpower978]

Zerum pretty sure plenty of other champions are stat checks (stat stick in this context is very, very dumb). ADCs are stat checks by late game. Syndra can be a stat check. The list goes on and on. I think this distinction doesn’t actually matter very much. With enough stats, you can do anything in this game, even when playing a champ that allegedly requires more skill.

[@Zerum69]

@@johnreeves3876 idk what you're trying to argue... I said mechanically intensive champions aren't as hard as the community likes to think they are and non mechanically intensive champions force you to think situations out in advance far more since they lack the options to escape in a flashy over the top style, you have to win using your brain instead of your muscle memory... So yeah idk what you're trying to argue since we seem to agree...

[@Zerum69]

@@unlimitedpower978 well yes, there are a lot of stat check champions in game, but my comment was defending their existence not saying who many of them there are. Also we should still make the difference between those stat checky champions and the flashy ones, I've seen more than enough yasuos, rivens, etc win fights that they shouldn't have if they were playing any other champion in game (in my opinion this is not healthy btw, if you died 11 times you shouldn't be allowed to win against the person that killed you those 11 times simply because you wrote your combo in your keyboard correctly but whatever that's not the point), so yeah stat check champions and flashy champions are indeed of a different caliber, stat check champions are consistent, safe, and allow you to learn the game on an advanced level of understanding, while flashy ones allow you to completely ignore game rules and do around as good as a player who's thinking without requiring you yourself to think... I'm debating if this is healthy or not since to be a pro you have to be able to do both things at the same time (be flashy and thoughtful) so we need both types of champions to teach you how to do both things separately so that you can combine them on your own once you reach Masters... If you reach Masters I should say, cause being honest here I don't think more than 1% of the players even attempt getting above diamond but whatever what's important is that there is a learning path for players to take, start with Annie/Garen till you understand how stats work then move into flashy champions like akali so you learn how to create and use combos of abilities and then go to your favorite looking champion and turn into an otp so you can maximize your skills in both itemization, flashy-ness and game knowledge

[@Zyvux.]

Them removing stat sticks is why i stopped playing, i loved their simplicity demanding more macro play to succeed vs just being flashy with mechanics.

[@EliteKaktus7]

if they remove all stat-sticks, they have to find a solution for autofill. When champions require some amount of experience to even be played properly, every autofill/ first-time is autoloss.

[@AE-or7xd]

that's why I doubt people like mf,garen, and yi will ever get reworked or at least until they roll out a new set of starter champs (if that ever happens)

[@NotFlappy12]

@@AE-or7xd you really don't want a first time yi in your game, trust me

[@TheSuicidalBird]

Riot will learn that the hard way when the time comes

[@EliteKaktus7]

@@TheSuicidalBird but WE will suffer from that :(

[@theghost3629]

@@NotFlappy12 I mean, no one really wants a first time into their matches, but a first time Yi is way better and more carreable than a first time Lee Sin or first time Elise, the whole reason the statstick champs are hated is because pretty much u can grab one of them and wreck even with minimum mechanical gameplay knowledge, it helps low-elo players learn the game, while not breaking their minds into learning a shit ton of combos, if the game becomes too much of a pain to learn, the lower elo's will just become even more braindead and people will hate to start on League

[@Anvade011]

I definetly love this series, keep the perfect work on!!!

[@Exil22]

Thank you!!

[@Peasant_of_Pontus]

The hate on simple champions comes from permastuck diamond IVs from reddit who wasted hundreds of hours one tricking mechanically flashy champs yet they still cannot climb. I, for one, welcome the addition of Sett to the roster.

[@Haythaway]

Sett is not a tat-Stick champion, as the players who have gone throught it can find success with him as both a tank, asssassin and bruiser.

[@DrexanRailex]

@@Haythaway Yeah, the same goes to Tryndamere. Still he's shown as a Stat Stick right at the beginning.

[@Stanatano]

@@DrexanRailex Tank Trynda is a waste. The only thing you can do is to build damage and to rely on your ult to kill them before they kill you. It's absolutely a stat stick. I'll wait Sett's release before deciding if he's one or not. PBE is a shitty environment to find what is truly strong.

[@Brandon-cv9uh]

@@Stanatano sett is utterly rediculous. And so is aphelios, the time between champs release, the design of them and the rediculously absurdly overstocked kits has finally brought me to quit this game. They sold to China and China just won the world championship. It's a Chinese money grab now and will not at all be catered to players like me ever again.

[@mattiasbunn8771]

Ahh the days when Yassuo was the unfair champion on the rift