The Children of Dawkins: Konstantin Kisin on Agnosticism & Human Dignity

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[@Ommateum]

This channel is criminally underrated

[@afifahhamilton8843]

I think this site, with this interviewer, is one of the best. I feel I understand Konstantin better now than from other interviews. Thanks!

[@merxeddie6474]

Calm balanced conversation.Thank you Gentlemen.

[@notlimey]

What an excellent interview and what an intelligent guy Konstantin is!

[@stephen918]

I enjoyed this but it was far too short!

[@they365]

Konstantin is highly articulate. The questions being asked of him here may seem too obvious for others to ask. But the interviewer is not presupposing the answers. Excellent conversation. Thanks.

[@mypointofview1111]

Kissin absolutely nailed it when he said the archtects of thec"managed decline of the UK" are all those upper/ middle class people with well paid jobs who will never have to deal with the consequences of their ideas. They are the real problem. They talk about "helping ordinary people" but doing exactly the opposite. Time we all woke up to this double speak

[@joanr3189]

The activists don’t care about people. The cause is the only thing that matters regardless of consequences.

[@hitchslap8254]

I've heard KK mention the death (murder) of his great uncle, this is someone he never knew but gets choked up. I do too when I think of my son who's 5 and would probably have suffered the same fate if we'd had the misfortune to be born 100 years ago in Ukraine. I realise that this post might be read as sarcasm, it's most defineitly not just a realisation that there people in the west that are actively trying to bring about the horrors of Stalisnist Russian and Maoist China.

[@vivianhull3317]

I love it when i find konstantin in another interview somewhere, even when im 3 months behind lol

[@Bobmudu35UK]

His book,An immigrants love letter to the west, should be read/taught in every UK school. Ive read it,and its an eye opener!

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new subscriber, great video!!!!

[@sallyjones3377]

Meaning and Fulfilment, when your struggling to survive from month to month, the one thing that keeps us going, is one day we may be able to contemplate our own Meaningful Fulfilment for hours on end, basking in the teachings of our betters..

[@janeproctor5542]

If you are a great fan of creative destruction then you would be appreciative of religion because the road to understanding humility is pretty much precisely that, although appreciation of its creative potential and value comes at a cost, there is great reward to the heart and mind.

[@carlodefalco7930]

“ treat others as you want to be treated” the sensible version , any version , doesn’t come from religion, it comes from humans being aware of themselves and others . .. if person needs religion to guide them to that , tell them that , teach them that , then something wrong with those individuals…

[@scatton61]

We should not forget that when the religious was in power (as it still is in certain parts of the world) it was not all good and respectful to others.... Burning people alive for reading a bible printed in English is not the definition of tolerance and love.

[@andrewfox368]

That’s the danger of having the church in charge of government. The whole point of a secular government is to separate the spiritual/moral life from the world of policy and governance. As we’ve seen, theocracy is monstrous - but there are also dire consequences when politics supplants the spiritual role of religion.

[@scatton61]

@@andrewfox368 It certainly is a conundrum. Neither religion nor secularism is a successful recipe for good moral people...

[@AA-yc8yr]

@@scatton61 Erm, secularism does appear to do a much better job of both upholding and spreading 'morals', as well as extending and incorporating aspects of humanity and human behaviour into the moral framework.

[@daffidkane8350]

The burning bush is a more accurate metaphor for God than the bearded old man in the sky! I think if we saw God it would drive us mad, not because of ugliness or frightfulness but because of incomprehensibility! There is something out there bigger than me and I can sense it but cannot see, hear, or touch it.

[@kbeetles]

You're absolutely right - it saddens me no end when people still use the childish picture with the old man in the sky when talking about God. Thanks for your "correction"! High time we start to point this out because people are so narrow-minded/naive/deliberately hurtful with flaunting their ignorance of the Divine.

[@marynayna6327]

Robert Barron explains an image of God not as a being in this world but as a creator of this world,an example, like a writer of a novel you won’t fine the writer in the novel.

[@Mark_Dyer]

I think the empty chamber of the Holy-of-Holies, in the Second Temple of Herod (into which only the High Priest entered, once a year), is a vastly superior metaphor for Israel's creator God, 'YHWH', or 'I AM', as a signifier of 'non-contingency' (pure 'being').

[@thewrightoknow]

What is the music for the intro to this show?

[@thenewhumanum]

Bassoon Concerto in A Minor, RV 498: I. Allegro. God bless.

[@Moomin360]

Konstantin admits that he is much more interested in "ways of living" than theology of it. Konstantn would be at ease if people adopt some of the Christian ways of living, which he rightly says might reduce some of the problems in society. But it is difficult for most to adopt this way of living if you do not believe in the foundation of Christianity. The rules, values and ways of living is adopted based on the belief that there is a higher order and that one will be judged for ones every action. Take that away and the rules and values rapidly decays. I dont think there is a middle ground unfortunately.

[@onesmallkayak]

Can I express a wackily Catholic opinion? Konstantin suggests that this country punches above its weight in terms of the influence for good that it has had around the world. There is a wonderful piece of Marian theology that explains how this can be possible and it dates back at least to 1350 and possibly much earlier. It is the idea that England is the dowry of Our Lady. I've often tried to think what this actually means and my guess is that through our fruits she spreads good ideas around the world. And if that is true, then Konstantin is right. Our beneficial influence will not stop here.

[@mypointofview1111]

I believe what you say is true. We're not done yet, not by a long chalk

[@malcolmwolfgram7414]

Interesting comment. I'm born, baptized, confirmed Anglican but I saw the gift of unconditional love via the actions of my dear departed wife. This led me towards Mother Mary and the Catholic church. I've since remarried a strong Catholic, I've yet to make the final step formally, but in my heart I have.

[@Mark_Dyer]

Another wonderful interview from THE NEW HUMANUM. Thank you. "I'm more interested in the living of it; than in the theology of it!" [14:00]. Konstantin, reduced to its most basic form, Christianity is "the imitation of the young male Jew, Jesus of Nazareth". To Roman Catholics, it may be the 'imitatio Christi'. Were everyone to be doing this, it would be great news for the planet: provided you did not encounter someone wanting to crucify you for it! This, surely, makes Christianity (not CHURCHianity!) better than Communism and Islam as means to the commonwealth and 'commonhealth' of humanity?

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[@peterclark6290]

When mankind accepts they are alone in an infinite and eternal Cosmos, that the purpose for an intelligent life is to contribute to a recognised legacy. The machinery of which is already in our genome. Then we will turn towards the reality that _maximising the full potential of each new life_ so they have the courage, resilience, curiosity and sociability to set their life on that road. Which is the 'design' of our cobbled-together genome. A great tribal member now consumes a few thousand books instead of rabbits. The binding central ambition for the species is to outlive this solar system, this galaxy, and even this Universe. Otherwise there is no logical reason for making new life. History does not deserve repetition. The sole 'Satan' is Entropy, the destroyer of plans. Anthropomorphised *Are Intelligence and Imagination the Cosmos trying to make sense of itself?*

[@garethevans3600]

I don't mind being lumped in as a "child" of Richard Dawkins, a great thinker and personable human being. I understand the dillemma of human existence and the "god' shaped hole, although I never suffered from it. On a deeper level, what if.....the major religions had been more in line with human flourishing.....but they were largely spread by aggressive societies in aggressive ways - and that is the way of the real world in our real history. So we find ourselves with major religions that don't really fit modern society and modern morals well, but really nothing of substance to replace them - the dominant modern religion seems equally as aggressive, intolerant and even less forgiving. It's a conundrum, can we ever move forward or are we so entrenched around a particular shape of "god-shaped hole" that we can't grow from there.

[@OUTBOUND184]

The level of ignorance in this whole paragraph is extraordinary. I hope you're not over 40 because to get beyond middle age and still think this way is embarrassing. I hardly know where to begin as there are so many errors, but 'modern morals' (whatever that means) are transient, relativistic and irrelevant. I implore you to engage with serious theology. Read the Church Fathers at LEAST.

[@bradwalton3977]

One of the most grossly ignorant and pathetically mindless comments I have read on KZbin. Please tell me that you are no older than 15.

[@juz111]

Very well said. Great insight.

[@mypointofview1111]

The real function of religions across the world, and I mean ALL religion without exception, has been crowd control through fear, ignorance and poverty. Where the church failed the state and media have taken over. The question is do we want to carry on living like this or is there an alternative we can work towards that gives everyone freedom to express themselves freely in dignity and abundance. That's a better way to live

[@OUTBOUND184]

@@mypointofview1111 This is the most common Boomer-atheist regurgitation. Utterly without critical thought. Utterly without study in theology. Utterly without understanding of the human spirit.

[@scillyautomatic]

11:52 It is difficult justify the Judeo-Christian morals without the God who sets the standard for love, law and transgression. (And by "difficult" I mean "impossible.)

[@AA-yc8yr]

Yeah, those morals that exist pretty much the same in every non-Judeo-Christian culture.