The Chinese thought it was an elaborate joke | Helen Joyce

John and Helen discuss why transgenderism and gender theory are a Western phenomenon.
Helen Joyce was Britain Editor at The Economist, where she worked for over 15 years before she
joined the gender-critical campaign group Sex Matters as a director. She is the author of Trans:
When Ideology Meets Reality.
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[@truthfortots3288]

"The Chinese thought it was an elaborate joke" So did everyone else: until it became the law.

[@jf7243]

Indeed, and now will more good people stand up and enough, thus far and no more?

[@kimbliss1329]

Why on earth would we be so incredibly gullible as to buy into the idiotic ideologies exported from the nutty Americans?

[@srodgars1560]

right you are and indeed it has become really scary

[@kennethmeeker6369]

It’s not the law it’s by fiat , not in America anyway SCOTUS has not ruled on any such law

[@MarieLamour-cv1jc]

@@jf7243 No, our men our weak, which is why we won't date them. Ladies get a man from another country. Way better. Mine is European.

[@shawnpatrick4703]

The Chinese were correct. It is an elaborate joke.

[@FazeParticles]

the rest of the world also thought modern western culture a joke. they want to know here did the ideas of the founding fathers go? why is the west so fascistic today?

[@bosse641]

A very SICK joke.

[@joemama5181]

@@bosse641 The world has become a complete joke. We are living in upside-down, inside-out clown world.

[@bosse641]

@@joemama5181 ..:We sure are. And it reeks of the demonic.

[@l.b.7543]

It’s disgusting

[@Nonplused]

It started out as an elaborate joke, but then some people in pharma, surgery, and psychology discovered it could be monetized. Once there was big money in it, it wasn't funny anymore. It's now transformed into a scam, like so many others.

[@davidhunt313]

OBAMACARE!!

[@N0p3er5]

They all have BPD too, so lots of psych drugs to be sold.

[@couscous4096]

Can I suggest you read Christopher Rufo, "Inside the Transgender Empire."

[@TransSisterRadio1488]

how are trans people supposed to afford treatment?

[@inglepropnoosegarm7801]

It's medical malpractice on a gigantic scale.

[@vicklen51]

I disagree that it’s not planned. It absolutely has been planned and orchestrated.

[@grisflyt]

By who and why?

[@MrTomyCJ]

Are you sure it isn't more like a wave that bad people identify and ride on? I don't think they can create the wave, but merely take advantage of it. It's not designed, they just take advantage of what they already see others are doing.

[@budawang77]

I disagree. Zero evidence for that.

[@edmurks236]

Whats the Souris stance on this?

[@kimmer6]

@@grisflyt Here is one of the main culprits bragging in September 2017 at Kennedy School as to how his organization has placed its trainees into political positions throughout the world. Their goal to install A.I. Supervised Socialism across the Western World. Enforcement and compliance will be through absolute control over access to your own money once banking and commerce goes digital and cashless. China already has this system in place. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4DYfYR6h6iYrtU

[@PauloAdriano-zo2ng]

Well the joke is on average American Citizens. It's become unacceptable to be normal it seems.

[@downtostandup]

I don't know how it's happened but somehow... we have a society that believes we have a government that exists to enforce upon others their beliefs.

[@inglepropnoosegarm7801]

That has been the intention all along.

[@PhokenKuul]

Who is it that gets to decide exactly what is normal and what it unacceptably abnormal?

[@downtostandup]

@PhokenKuul those with the most power

[@PhokenKuul]

@@downtostandup So much for individual liberty...

[@namogel67]

The war China didn't have to fight as they watched their adversaries destroy themselves.

[@bradtarrant2752]

They have and are still fighting just unconventionally

[@ailius1520]

That's how the Chinese "fight", and it goes all the way back to Sun Tzu. They consider it true mastery to destroy the enemy before ever engaging them in battle.

[@lintz_lin]

As a Taiwanese who speaks 4 languages (Chinese, English, Turkish, German), the lady's analysis is spot on. In Turkey nobody can imagine this kind of stuffs either, and in Germany it is more widespread due to Germany being a Western country, but a lot of people still think transgenderism is a complete joke.

[@jth4242]

Yes, I'm German myself and I would say in Germany it's about middle-of-the-road. Germany may be a bit more infected than other non-English-speaking countries because Germany is very English-adjacent: Almost everyone speaks the language and everyone consumes American culture in the form of movies and series. Also, like the lady said about Canada, Germany doesn't have any conservative backbone to fight back from. Religion is very weak and it's difficult to espouse conservative values without sounding like a Nazi.

[@joesouthborn2960]

I agree... both of you are right. Unfortunely.

[@katr8756]

So is hoxuality!!!

[@Big_BadaBom]

​@@jth4242do you not know anything of your countries history this stuf started in Weimar germany it didnt start in america.

[@guyledouche6839]

​@@jth4242nope. You mean it's hard to espouse conservative views without being accused of being a Nazi. There's a difference. Not wanting to import the third world isn't Nazism.

[@johanda2000]

Fortunately I live in Africa and we are absolutely not plagued by this abhorrent gender insanity. People here know who and what they are and are proud of it!!!

[@biwnzixebrxb4786]

and you are plagued with practically every other existing problem on the planet.

[@riesjart1000]

If Africa was free then you probably would also have transgenders in Africa. I got no idea what's bothering you about other people being trans, they don't hurt anyone, you do because Africa forbades people to be who they want to be.

[@vn2183]

Amen to that!

[@shandel499]

I'm fairly let people be but THIS is abhorrent.. what parents are allowing the Dr's and teachers to do to their kids. Why is no one fighting? I'm Canadian, I cannot wait for our horrid pm to go.. 8 yrs of destruction

[@BellaCroyda]

​@@vn2183not really.

[@Bennie32831]

It is a joke the west fell for

[@charzemc]

The west what?

[@richardshortall5987]

@@charzemc fell for

[@reasonwarrior]

Consequence for fostering so much tolerance.

[@springerworks002]

Trans ideology was financed andcpushed on us by Chinese backers.

[@HANKHILLFORTXGOVERNOR]

A nation fortified with armaments cannot be truly vanquished; one can merely gain a transient advantage until the populace discerns the underlying machinations.

[@BlueBeeMCMLXI]

We swapped what worked (reality) for what sounds good (woke). The further you get from reality the more you will suffer.

[@neozes]

Great synopsis!

[@tomh281]

What defines reality?

[@garysager9028]

@@tomh281 what works. If you need more explanation you are being deliberately stubborn or got another issue.

[@Chriscraft50]

Truth and objective facts.​@@tomh281

[@paulwheeler6609]

Well, let's not get carried away. Reality hasn't really been working since the Industrial Revolution. Well, unless you like generational lead poisoning, pesticidal landscapes, and dystopian violence. The human species is bewildering.

[@elizkendal]

Same thing happened when Matt Walsh talked to Maasai in Kenya ...they laughed their heads off and thought he must have been kidding with them.

[@Wamagirii]

I watched his feature and I too laughed hard

[@Taeodoestech]

What a transphobic piece of garbage of an hr I will never get back

[@slyninja4444]

Tbf, a lot of former british colonies in africa were brainwashed into being anti-lgbt. Even though many had no issue with it prior.

[@gazthejaz8910]

The indigenous folk in North America had the two spirited belief, it’s actually not a joke

[@HadassaMoon144]

That's not the same thing though. I absolutely agree that there are some very rare people who are stuck between genders. Hormonal irregularities and intersex conditions exist. So if course different cultures would have created explanations for why these very rare occurrences happen. But it's ABNORMAL. Yes we should be kind about it but let's not pretend that it's normal.

[@neutonikharmonix]

It is orchestrated. Social engineering is a primary tool for Geopolitics and always has been.

[@georginawhitby1320]

Bingo!

[@Dekoherence-ii8pw]

China: "This sounds like an elaborate joke". It's YOUR joke*, m___f___er! ;-) (OR was it a Russian joke*?) *psyop?

[@crushtheserpent]

Of course it is 👍

[@whyomgwhywtf]

When the elites say "globalism" it means you no longer get your culture or traditions.

[@jayterra2060]

What are some other examples of social engineering?

[@nilocblue]

We are in the decline of Western civilization, and we did it to ourselves.

[@chivomartinez]

Not done yet. will see

[@giannas1096]

Correction: The politicians did it very sneakily.

[@peteralbrecht473]

To say 'we did it to ourselves' is defeatism. The thought should be 'how can we fight back'?

[@MrJm323]

@@peteralbrecht473 "To say 'we did it ourselves' is defeatism." To whom do we hand off our children for their formal education?

[@peteralbrecht473]

​@@MrJm323 good point. I encourage everyone to get together with like minded parents to be be a counterweight. We dont have to except everything also we can teach our kids values and live them that makes them strong enough to pit the things they are taught in perspective. Maybe the school my kids go to is a bit conservative still, but even my parents showed me how some teachers were teching things that were not compatible with our values.

[@Enoch-Root]

As a New Zealander living in China, I'm so glad this nonsense hasn't spread here. There's the occasional foreigner who takes it seriously, but they're just viewed as being crazy.

[@zoeolsson5683]

Why is it nonsense? Why does acknowledging a group of people a bit different to you so stressful? There's no harm to you at all. Clearly you can cope with diversity in people because you are living in another country.

[@Enoch-Root]

@@zoeolsson5683 it's simply nonsense this whole self identity thing. Female and male, man and woman have definitions that society agrees on. A small vocal group of people who spend too much time online trying to virtue signal to one another and demonizing those who don't agree with them. When they say that trans-women are women, what most people hear, to borrow the woke term, is that trans-women are cis-woman. Which is clearly nonsense. Then there's the whole conflating of hermaphrodites with trans people which further demonstrates the sloppy thinking that is so prevalent. People conflate separate issues and that causes them to make all kinds of nonsensical claims. And don't get me started on the whole 2 spirit thing... There's not a shred of evidence for spirits or the supernatural.

[@CR-og5ho]

​@@Enoch-Root none of this is true. When people hear "trans women are women" they think "you should treat trans women the same way you would treat cis women". You're assuming what other people believe when it's so easy to just ask lol what's wrong with you?

[@70two41five]

@@CR-og5ho they think my wife, daughter, niece, etc. are going to have to let a biological male take away their privacy in bathrooms, locker rooms, etc. It is unsafe to make women share these spaces with men.

[@DW-op7ly]

@@zoeolsson5683I think the Chinese are pragmatic If you have men transitioning to women and women transitioning to men They would just give them a new category “he to she” “she to he” competitions

[@garyweglarz]

"An American contagion" - yep! Trans-ideology feels very quasi-religious and socially contagious - sort of like those medieval contagions. In this case sort of like - St. Vitus Dance meets Judith Butler. Complete barking-madness.

[@privatenoone8911]

Nonsense beliefs are as old as humankind.

​@@privatenoone8911but global exports of those beliefs are not

[@poempadgett4664]

*Magnus Hirschfeld.*

@@poempadgett4664 what about him?

[@paulw5039]

@@privatenoone8911 Except social media has increased the speed and scope of the contagion a hundredfold.

[@HuiKenZheng]

Indeed, not just Chinese, everyone around the world is laughing.

[@tywhite7365]

She was very, very right on Canada, poor us.

[@Jeff55369]

You guys do have some push back, but the conservative party there is much weaker.

[@val_nightlily]

The Conservative party has only recently stood up on this.They played along at first.

[@ScribblyDoodle]

​@@Jeff55369for a weak party, they're looking to take a MASSIVE majority

[@Cafeallday222]

Nah, so many of us are against it but the government just rolls over us.

[@Cafeallday222]

@@Jeff55369it’s actually the most popular party in Canada by population

[@dsartain3404]

Canada and Australia have not only embraced it, they’ve done so with religious fervour and are now bonkers.

[@musclecactus5183]

Australia has this mentality that whatever the cool kids are doing, it has to do that and then some. Either that or it goes in the opposite direction. In either case it's an attempt to assert some kind of importance on the world stage, since it's basically insecure about its place in the world and desperately wants acceptance and respect

[@jamesjones5020]

I live in Australia and have a child in school . This is not the norm in Australia, I haven't seen a transgender on the Gold Coast ever . Went to Sydney and Brisbane in the past year , not once did I see this sort of disgusting behaviour. Our rights are slowly being taken and the cost of living is ridiculous but I'm yet to believe Trans are a problem here yet ...

[@bradtarrant2752]

@@jamesjones5020you need to go to melb

[@scottrubie6826]

And it is a ridiculous elaborate joke on humanity.

[@letsgobrandon33]

Thanks Larry Fink from Blackrock, you’re a true cancer on society

[@slottyken]

It is an elaborate joke. The problem is that nobody is laughing.

[@whyomgwhywtf]

I mean...the elites who are forcing it on everyone are laughing.

[@sharpasacueball]

No one living in the affected countries are

[@frankie3041]

1979 Monty Python “I want to be Loretta”

[@kostasbr51]

"I want to have babies" "You CAN'T have babies!" "What's the point...?" "It's symbolic" "Yes, symbolic of the struggle against reality". kzbin.info/www/bejne/epjTaoCGgap0p6M

[@Dekoherence-ii8pw]

Sweet Loretta Martin thought she was a woman but she was another man. 🎵🎵

[@Littlebirdie00]

I’m in disbelief that this problem became so big. How it got into schools and that so many show support for the ideology through their use of pronouns on their bios. That is standing with this ideology.

[@bushbuddyplatypus]

I still can't believe the pronouns of LinkedIn and that every single job add devotes a paragraph to diversify and then collects your racial and gender identity details

[@davestevenson9080]

just read the early life of all woke types pushing silly things like this

[@comealongcomealong4480]

@@bushbuddyplatypus You likely know that job applicants are embellishing or falsifying their details to match the perceived winning criteria. Gender Non-binary: Tick, Bisexual: Tick, Ethnically Diverse: Tick. Though, I guess Creative License has always been a thing on job applications!

[@ryanbottorff5855]

Actually intentional. The long march through the institutions the marxists called it.

[@letfreedomring7330]

I'm American. I couldn't believe it when I first heard it either, and I'm still flabbergasted.

[@user-jg5ut9xj1e]

That's American Exceptionalism in the 21st Century, Anything that could be done must be overdone. No one stops to think if it should be done. Just see how it went from medical cannabis for cancer patients to giving out free fentanyl on the streets in a heartbeat.

[@CornerTalker]

In my highschool classroom, some students believe that a person born male can become pregnant.

[@Onlooker56-ch6qp]

I missed the innocent days when girls and boys still believe that a baby happens when you hold hands or kiss

[@shandel499]

Beyond. Beyond. Time to put Miss Frizzle in classrooms, with that Magic School Bus of hers. Sure a TRANSMALE can have a baby because ta da born with Lady parts! I feel bad for these young kids' I feel bad for our country. How will our future army reserve look, function? It's a brain issue not the wrong body

[@docstevens007]

Ptsd existed before Vietnam. In Australia we called it shell shock

[@wretchedrichard2955]

Her reference to PTSD dampens her credibility. Shell shock has been well documented in the great war long before Vietnam. I'd dare say forms of PTSD have been around long before anyone bothered to name it.

[@gloriastroedecke2717]

@ wretchedrichard2955 Yes,it was called Battle Fatigue during WWII and the Korean War. It's a concept as old as warfare.

[@user-jg5ut9xj1e]

@@wretchedrichard2955 She did not dismiss PTSD, she said that how the criterias of diagnosis for PTSD was strictly through an American lens which is usually based on vets who fought wars overseas. So take racial trauma, it exists in most countries but it doesn't happen on the same level or in the same way as someone would experience it in the US.

[@majohladky3249]

Ptsd exists since the dawn of man lol

[@zahrans]

@@wretchedrichard2955 She never said PTSD didn't exist before nam. She specifically mentioned that the criterias used for the diagnosis for PTSD was strictly through an American lens.

[@richardbrown2361]

That is spot on. When I taught at universities in China (2008 - 2012), I told my young academics the story of Bobby Clampett, an announcer at the 2008 Masters Tournament at Augusta being disciplined by CBS for referring to pro golfer Liang Wen Chong as "the Chinaman." Those students showed the same disbelief that Dr. Joyce described in this story. They would exclaim, "But teacher, he IS a Chinaman." And that was more than a decade ago.

[@ivancho5854]

In the UK you are not allowed to refer to someone as being a Gypsy, while they refer to themselves as... Gypsies. 🤦‍♂️ The West has gone stark raving mad. I wonder if this comment will get me arrested?

[@richardbrown2361]

@@ivancho5854 ... I guess that depends on if you are in Scotland or not. 😊

[@YSFmemories]

Can confirm. We are racist ourselves, and others can be racist. As long as the racism is harmless and non violent and non discriminatory, who cares?

[@ivancho5854]

@@richardbrown2361 Yes, I am. 🤦

[@ivancho5854]

@@YSFmemories I think that there is nothing wrong with having a preference for one's own people and culture AND expressing that. However these days that is labelled as racist, which it absolutely is not.

[@freesaxon6835]

"It's not done deliberately, it just happens that all the media etc. are in America" Really? Who owns the media, and banking?

[@B-26354]

_"It's not deliberate or orchestrated by anyone"_ Yeah alright... 😂

[@neozes]

I dont believe it's orchestrated either. I mean, to a certain degree, for sure there are attempts to utilise this, but it's not an underlying force. I'd say it's a result of how the US has embraced freedom and drama in combination with capitalism. The US has basically cracked the code for coolness, till... today; With each passing year, what the us is producing is less and less attractive, because it's becoming the opposite of what it used to be - free. They have created pop culture, and now it no longer is pop. If it would be all orchestrated, then you would have to claim the same about any other culture/nation which merits are being willingly imported by other countries.

[@B-26354]

@neozes Black rock is pushing this agenda alongside this you have the entire US Big Pharma industry which released a report stating that "trans care" was worth $30billion in profits to the medical industry - a trans patient requires lifelong aftercare and lifelong hormones. In my opinion you're being naive not to see this.

[@B-26354]

@neozes Big Pharma in the US released a report which put "trans care" as having a $30billion profit mark up in the next decade. Tell me it isnt orchestrated again.

[@nutwatch1854]

@@neozes I don't think it originated in the US at all. The first transgender surgery in the US was performed by a German doctor who had previously run a transgender clinic in Germany. It's called the Dutch Protocol for a reason.

[@davestevenson9080]

@@nutwatch1854 just read the early life of all woke types pushing silly things like this blaming "america" is so silly

[@seanwcouch]

Human Resources are really who we should be blaming here in America if we stop and think about it.

[@kimhae-jung4966]

Sweden was the first country to allow legal gender transitioin, and the Netherlands and Germany pioneered much of the medicine. In America, it may have bgun in the universities, but the (elite) universities are the most globalized and least American thing in America. What began in America was social media, and the resulting ills. But even so, other countries embraced those ills to a greater degree than America, almost seeming to trip over themselves in their hurry.

[@georginawhitby1320]

The one thing that DID start in the US was the open, publicised , and legally unopposed " transition " of VERY young children. Similar experiments were occuring in Australia, but they were illegal and covert . The US led the baby- wrong-body narrative ( a very orchestrated narrative building , albeit with the use of at least some wild- variety MBP mothers amongst the military families with adoptees/ very convenient twins. )... The US pioneering of the public face of this particularly malevolent component of the trans tsunami is not simply about commodified " health services " , nor even simply about the collective psychosis of contagion. It is about military embedded investment , and Transhumanist interests also embedded in big tech . Sadly even in the UK, very early , transition is NOT being defeated via the Cass Review recommendations. Quite the opposite , it is being protected , while people are being encouraged to mislead themselves into believing / assuming that the future directives of the report ( the OUGHT) follow the damning evidence of the state -of-evidence review ( when actually that is not the Case ).

[@RichardCranium.]

Transgender surgeries were also pioneered in Germany by Magnus Hirschfeld. Afterwards the nazis took over. The Weimer republic was a degenerate and decadent place. The left might cause a fascist backlash. Though it wont be nazi, it will be some modern authoritarian right wing ideology in the American strain of thought. If America turns into a right wing dictatorship it will be the left fault for pushing insanity.

[@kurokuma2658]

In Chinese community, I mean the China Chinese community, even among the young people, it is a sarcasm when you think someone consumes too much western content.

[@YSFmemories]

They used to really look up to the west too, up until 7 or 8 years ago

[@biwnzixebrxb4786]

@@YSFmemories deep down the people know that life is better in the west than it is under CCP. Don't be fooled most of them actually like CCP, lots of them are just keeping their heads down to get the skillset or money to flee to the west. Hong Kong natives still look up to Britain. But keep up the wokeness and the west would lose it's reputation.

[@williamtaylor9966]

Great to see ‘Scotland Forever’ on the wall behind John Anderson. A reminder of John’s heritage?

[@edmurks236]

He must be sad to see what happening in Scotland today.

[@jenniferwells9032]

You got that right. and Australia follows them 👎

[@dandreer3150]

I also thought it was a joke when I went to study in the UK. When I realised people were taking this seriously, all I could think was: what the f*ck?!

[@markfox1545]

Normal working people aren't taking it seriously.

[@dandreer3150]

@@markfox1545 Of course not. I was talking about my former crazy classmates at university 😉

[@Flute442-jv8ri]

@@dandreer3150 Oh, I had a critica. That my girlfriend and close friends would be somewhere against it. I am controlled enough by society. This is nonsense.

[@pedzsan]

One of the best is the piece from The Life of Brian where they essentially predict the utter lunacy and call it what it is - lunacy.

[@user-mk9qy4yd5t]

Common sense is now rather rare; it has been replaced by its inverse: widespread nonsense (i.e., insanity).

[@dombaydog]

Insanity is contagious

[@MrBahjatt]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 Politicians are ready to endorse anything and everything.

[@chivomartinez]

And many st of us sadly endorse politicians

[@tassiodrigues]

... that divides people and benefits chaos.

[@MrBahjatt]

@@chivomartinez Unfortunately voting is like trying to decide which lunatic should run the asylum.

[@freshtoast3879]

Frankfurt school is where this started.

[@CivilizedWasteland]

Expansion of denazification policy into an entire race of people spearheaded by leaders of the Frankfurt school

[@comtaar2245]

It IS orchestrated.

[@owensclock]

The idea that in effect, when it comes to one's gender, reality can be changed just by saying a few words DOES sound like a joke. Yet a certain group of people will call you all kinds of nasty names and cancel you if you don't accept that idea as the truth.

[@comealongcomealong4480]

@owensclock Workers and Managers are writing about their compulsory attendance at 'Gender and Sexuality Training' sessions, to retain their jobs. MOST ESPECIALLY IN THE GOVERNMENT AND PUBLIC SERVICE INSTITUTIONS. Leading the way as always with 'Progressive Social Change'. The facilitators of these courses are doing nicely ($) from all this mind training.

[@AWT8900]

The zenith of postmodernism....served up cold and tasteless.

[@nklinef]

"It's not orchestrated by anyone. It's just where the big media companies are, where the big tech companies are..." 🤨

[@guyledouche6839]

It's just a Cohencidence

[@reddragonready]

True! I have a friend from China and explaining some of this nonsense to her is quite hard..but she does, unlike many in the west, have no trouble whatsoever identifying it as indeed..nonsensical.

[@alexzannoni1501]

A very sinister, malevolent joke!!

[@forfar4fife5]

"Those whop can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire

[@normalaverageeverydayguy2600]

I'm not American but I favour an American state of mind. The don't tread on me state of mind in particular. Vive Le America.

[@viquiben4919]

Can't get the sarcasm...

[@normalaverageeverydayguy2600]

@@viquiben4919 no sarcasm

[@Dekoherence-ii8pw]

It's not the "don't tread on me" that we're talking about. That's the right wing American mindset.

[@normalaverageeverydayguy2600]

@@Dekoherence-ii8pw let me kindly take you by the hand and gently direct you to the "in particular" part.

[@BEWMdead]

@@normalaverageeverydayguy2600 thank you for being gentle

[@starkeyshelbyj]

Thank you for keeping at it. Both of you I pray the cost isn’t too great❣️🙏🏼🇺🇸

[@mikeyh0]

A is A. That is a simple statement by Aristotle that sums up the difficulties we are having. Some people insist A is something other than A. They cannot be correct. Therefore they cannot be listened to with the same regard, the same respect as someone who knows that A is A. They are irrational. They deny reality. They must be ignored.

[@tidakada7357]

Logically, A can be something else than A , in other words a contradiction can be true and must be for some important forms of mathematics to function. But there are fairly strict requirements or conditions that must be met for it to be.

[@mikeyh0]

@@tidakada7357 You're funny.

[@tidakada7357]

@@mikeyh0

[@tidakada7357]

@@mikeyh0 dialetheia

[@m_d1905]

PTSD isn't new. It had different names like battle fatigue, shell shock etc. It's just been broaded to include traumatic effects of horrific experiences aka traumatic events.

[@dehn6581]

It's just been turned into a diagnostic list that is used as the lens for all trauma dysregulation, created a restricted filtering of the discussion and understanding around it and ridiculous situations where US academics write about the high percent of those in war-torn areas or in abusive relationships show 'signs of PTSD', ignoring how silly it is to describe their trauma dysregulation symptoms as post traumatic when it's on-going. It's something many professionals who've worked in this area have for years pushed back against.

[@ZackVegas]

I like at 46 seconds how she says "It's not deliberatly orchestrated by anyone," and then right after proceeds to name the organizations, industries, and institutions that are deliberatly orchestrating it.

[@ix-Xafra]

I can listen to a smart, sane woman all day long! There's a gender fluid individual working at my local Dan Murphy's that never fails to try and bait me despite my being polite and egalitarian toward they/them...

[@zoeolsson5683]

Clearly you do have a problem because you think calling them 'they' is something special you are doing for them instead of basic common courtesy.

[@hxhdfjifzirstc894]

Yes, their entire life revolves around trying to find some kind of loophole that they can CONTROL YOU with. It's pathetic.

[@CR-og5ho]

Bait you how?

[@CR-og5ho]

​@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 Nobody cares what you think of them. You aren't anywhere near as important as you think 😂

[@ix-Xafra]

@@CR-og5ho with sarcastic condescension. I really don't want to argue with another baiter - now FO...

[@JaneA544]

Helen Joyce is an amazing woman and everything to do with this that she says is the TRUTH ...not my truth, not your truth THE TRUTH

[@kenjohnson6326]

Yeah, Jane, she's the Daughter of God. Good point.

[@billpetersen298]

Very understandable. My wife grew up in Beijing, 1970’s-90’s. She was so racist, and narrow minded. It has been painful to watch, her revulsion of any difference. Especially brown people. But after two decades in Canada, she has opened up as a person. She is now very accepting of people, for who they are. It can happen.

[@aurora_ryan6605]

😢 Racist! Narrow-minded 😂 Painful! For you?

[@rap3208]

It was probably more of ignorance and being unexposed to people from the outside world, and all she had known was what she heard from friends and family who were also same as her. Everything right now is labeled racist that it doesn't mean anything anymore. being a rcist should have to do with the motive and intention.

[@susan56566]

Feel sad for her that she married you. Apparently you didn't understand her.

[@billpetersen298]

@@rap3208 True, it isn't the peoples fault. But their government, that promotes an insular view.

[@billpetersen298]

@@susan56566 You have incredible insight, to know. That she was a single divorced mom, with a job that she hated, and a 13 yr old son. With our shared home, and security. She quit that job, and trained in what she was interested in. Brian calmed down, and due to his hard work, is doing very well in his career. She is a much happier person now. I could be wrong, it may all be an illusion.

[@rinzler9775]

The Chinese would be correct, it is a joke.

[@garysager9028]

Biden would say, “Not a joke “.

[@phoenixjim0527]

Joyce is the doyenne on this topic. Glad to see her on. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 (American here. Hate what has happened.)

[@PhokenKuul]

That "Word A Day" calendar is paying off.

[@phoenixjim0527]

@@PhokenKuul . I earned my vocabulary through hard work. Glad you’re literate

[@konrad2899]

This is what I was thinking about, that this ideology is much more pronounced in the western English speaking countries. Is this because the English language is grammatically gender neutral?

[@wowjef]

No

[@jbird4478]

Chinese is almost completely genderless though with not even a distinction in pronouns.

[@wowjef]

​@@jbird4478 In Finnish hän means him and her

[@ryanmullins2103]

This is a battle on our soul. Yes your soul is affected by the garbage on earth.

[@StephenCowley001]

There was some French input into the gender nonsense too - Simone de Beauvoir saying that "one is not born a woman, one becomes one" for example.

[@NigelJackson]

Yes it was a European contagion before it was amplified through American culture.

[@sophieb5262]

That quote has been seriously misinterpreted.

[@michaelofsydney6128]

In the same vein as Big Mike's book"'Becoming Michelle" ? '

[@giannas1096]

Well that’s half right; one is born a little girl then becomes a woman. Little boys don’t become women. A small percentage become creepy guys wearing a dress and lipstick.

[@joyelmes7814]

That meant you are a female baby, but you became a woman after puberty. Simple as that, no other interpretation needed.

[@mon_avis2978]

This woman is too eloquent and too intelligent to be ignored, silenced, or cancelled. Thanks for having her on your podcast.

[@commentarytalk1446]

The Chinese had overt 1-Child Policy and should see their population decline in the coming decades perhaps at a rate which is too fast. The Western World has implemented a covert population reduction via multiple maladaptive policies designed against the stability of the Family at heart of the society eg trans, marriage diluted, alimony, culture, economic conditions stressful eg house prices, state handouts to baby mamas. Not a bad out come given the over use of resources but certainly producing insanity in the West and causing a lot of misery and tragedy and mishmash misinformation saturation egs given in this video.

[@andrewmartin4258]

However we're being saved from population decline by an influx of illegal immigrants.

[@Bookhermit]

It IS an elaborate joke - on us all.

[@tomchristian9932]

Because it is insane!

[@vikingshark2634]

To be fair, most of us (Americans) thought it was an elaborate joke too. We don't all endorse every cultural contagion the world gets infected with.

[@MrJm323]

...But the vast majority of us keep handing our children over to the looneys for their formal schooling.

[@tassiodrigues]

Bless Helen Joyce for her knowledge and eloquence. This lady is doing an excellent job!

[@markhilbert6573]

This is quite plainly untrue there have been what used to be known as ladyboys in Thailand, brazil and equivelants in India etc since forever

[@70two41five]

Ladyboys do not believe they are women in the Asian countries, and they aren’t trying to convince you they are either

[@TheJayJayYoung]

Ladyboy do know that they are man transitioning to woman, hence ladyboy. They do not think they are woman and are respectful of others, that’s why most people are very accepting of them. Actually every Asian cultures have transgender people since ancient times.

[@foshizzlfizzl]

People always think all the US American influence it's just because everyone is watching overseas and mimicking them... The reality is, that the US have a huge network of think tanks, that provide ideas to US funded NGOs, media and politicians to creative a narrative and agenda. Simply to have options of influence when they need it. Some country making money with raw materials? We let some green activists jump in front of your government for the media. You have a modern society, we let fundamentals fight against you or the other way around. You have a good pool of intelligent people graduating, we offer all of them contracts to the Silicon Valley...they are really the best to create any scenario they need to get rid of competition.

[@user-yw1rp4rj4u]

My view is the medical industry saw, and created another revenue stream.

[@greghight954]

I think Thailand and Brazil were way ahead when it comes to the trans issue.

[@thebigslicedcheese3867]

Yeah but in Thailand it was always considered a fetish thing.

[@soccerhub2543]

My question has always been, 'who benefits from this gender confusion? To what intent is it being pushed forward?' 😕 🫤 😕

[@a64738]

Read the book "Covid19 The Great Reset" written by billionaire WEF president Klaus Schwab there it all is explained in detail... In short the hyper rich 0,1% parasite class at the top wants to crash the economy and modern society in "the great reset" to pave way for the feudalistic totalitarian New World Order global government they want at the power. All to give themselves more money and absolute power and control.

[@chrisgame5687]

Have a look at Jennifer Bilek who is behind the trans agenda

[@bushbuddyplatypus]

The anti capital Marxist purists who really want to remove the family, swap reality for slogans, and generally bring down free society.

[@pinparasol]

The intention is that we should become sort of zombies, nor male nor female. And by the way, a robot is not sexed.

[@froggymusicman]

There's a lot of money involved with transitioning : Hormone blockers, hormone supplements and surgical operations aren't exactly free.

[@an0nycat]

In the end, communism and global capitalism have the same ultimate goal.

[@MrJm323]

No. Slavery isn't freedom, and freedom isn't slavery. And, it's utterly laughable if you are regarding the current situation in America as a form of "capitalism". America started going the road of socialism (in a very earnest sense) when it elected Franklin Roosevelt president and accepted his 'New Deal'.

[@CivilizedWasteland]

@@MrJm323 he has a point in that the end goal of communist and American neocons/neolibs have a dream of one world government ruled entirely by themselves with irsreal as the capital

[@cn22willamette]

It is not at all surprising that in cultures that are collectivist verses individualistic that people would considers the thought of sexuality as a continuum rather than bipolar a joke.

[@CR-og5ho]

What does that even mean? Bipolar?

[@hospitalsgivingpatientsdan8894]

Femininity and masculinity feelings very different male and female

[@gazthejaz8910]

Both genders have masculine and feminine traits

[@erinsmart8422]

When she said its not orchestrated 😂😂😂 its just the media 😂😂😂

[@johnmartin4650]

Well said….thank you

[@KarrieDreammind5]

Dangerous times come when the power is put into the hands of insane people....

[@papillon5839]

The woke forgot what a human is and how to act like a human. It's all about labels and ideologies, never about the human.

[@charlesbrown1365]

Not to most Africans or Arab countries .

[@biwnzixebrxb4786]

in fact not to anywhere other than the west.

[@interestedpart2650]

Excellent

[@WELLbethere]

It's so strange and unfamiliar, after so many years, recently hearing Canada mentioned so often in regards to global issues. And so sad, that it's been all negative...

[@andrewlau9873]

I was born in HK, then moved and living in Canada for 52 years. Yes, it is an elaborate joke on Americans!

[@gazthejaz8910]

Welcome to a different culture, you chose to move here to a different country so you should embrace it or leave!

[@helenegan1079]

​@@gazthejaz8910 He moved there 52 years ago. You probably were not around to understand what Canada was like. His generation had less say that Canada is becoming a weirdos paradice. The Collective West is degenerate and in decline.

[@marianam8643]

It is Anglo, but it is also Scandinavian. I consider it, for lack of a better term, a Protestant phenomenon.

[@peterkoning21]

....and the American influence is not good. Sexuality, manners, language, ways of thinking......

[@TransSisterRadio1488]

you raising farrel children or what?

[@peterkoning21]

@@TransSisterRadio1488 what's it like to be a doos ??

[@TransSisterRadio1488]

@@peterkoning21 i don't know what that is. whats it like to be me? strong, wise, smart, educated, devastated, intelligent, entertained, creative, compassionate, and most of all wretched. what is your point? you don't even know who you are talking to. "idiot" you mean? i have always been a genius. i enjoy material and mediums more than you.

[@TransSisterRadio1488]

@@peterkoning21 i don't know what that means. you don't even know who you are talking to. what is your point? an "idiot" you mean? i have always been a genius. i am funny, smart, kindred, spirited, profane, holy, sacred, wise, persistent, compassionate, intelligent, educated, advanced, mature, infantile, hungry, mindful, aware, challenged, deep, sincere, knowledgable, creative, realized, truthful, honest, tempted (by you), disciplined, analytic, primative, cerebral, developed, fascinated, wonderful, enigmatic, paradoxical, magical, rational, triumphant, scholarly, colorful, thoughtful, limited, boundless, infantile, grown, challenged, pursuant, meaningful, divinely inspired, sad, angry, joyful, pleasing, rather masocistic, a warrior, sage, seer, a muse, endearing, uncomfortable, tired, exhuasted, intellectual, and above all else wretched. the sun shines through me. i am as i am. i am a black hole, as you said, but, energy does escape me. you hate it i know, because you don't control it. you know what that means? energy escaping a black hole? it must move faster than the speed of light. i have done all my schematic discipline training, collective consciousness, research, and ate the alphabet soup, learned all the primary colors. what's it to you? thanks for you deposit, but i don't see the point. i am "positively" reflected by it. black - your move. "it is impossible to demand people get on the same page when they aren't even reading the same book" - history.

[@bobertjones2300]

UK is primary exporter of Nanny State ideology. It is the fount from which all distortions and social deformations flow. US often gives it academic, legal and medical impetus with a veneer whitewashed in individual freedom.

[@controvert7218]

A "Joke" until it is not, especially when I, as an Asian living in South East Asia can see that this is being exported and pushed hard into both my Country and the surrounding Countries in the region through constant activism from the West and who knows how much higher up it goes. We just have to accept it because the Activists from the West said so and they also come to lecture us that transgenderism and their gender theory have always been there, and we don't our own history and culture, they know it better than us apparently and get to lecture us about how we are so wrong and are hateful bigots for resisting them. What kind of madness is this exactly?

[@mattrichards8090]

The gynocracy played its part.

[@pottersground3788]

🕯☕️

[@kaptainkurt7261]

‘In those days, there will be a great deception.’ Could this be it ?

[@DrStrangeLemon]

Mr Anderson, Your interviews & 'fireside chats' are always so interesting. I'd love to hear how we can get ourselves out of this mess from these experts.

[@dovely9279]

Look at Weimar. Same stuff

[@paulparoma]

I didn't see much of that in Weimar when I was there. It's a small, relatively quiet city. Goethe house, Schiller house, Liszt house, Bauhaus - those are the main attractions. I even parked around the corner from J.S.Bach strasse.:)

[@adamt5622]

Same people pushing it.

[@MizrahiChick]

@@adamt5622 Just one group ? Do tell.

[@christelwilk6166]

@dovely9279 …..???

[@dovely9279]

@christelwilk6166 Weimsr, Germany circa 1930s. The same ideas and stuff were going on. It's not new, just imported.

[@paulwheeler6609]

If America is the world's cultural leader, we're in big trouble. Why not Bhutan?

[@kaoskronostyche9939]

What is a "Bhutan?"

[@paulwheeler6609]

@@kaoskronostyche9939 Get a map.

[@biwnzixebrxb4786]

@@kaoskronostyche9939 it is a tiny mountain country between china and india.

[@kaoskronostyche9939]

@@biwnzixebrxb4786 Thank you.

[@katieevans6017]

America actually dictates these policies to other Countries, via 'persuasion' to get trade etc etc

[@JanuWaray]

The no-nonsense Chinese thought it was a joke on human common sense. It was both a joke and an insult.

[@tezzanewton]

Flat earth started out as an elaborate joke too.

[@gogidolim]

Started in....America...

[@charlesbrown1365]

Foucault was French .

[@paulparoma]

Yes, he did. Why mention him?

[@charlesbrown1365]

@@paulparoma not American

[@paulparoma]

@@charlesbrown1365 Did anyone say he was?

[@charlesbrown1365]

@@paulparoma said lgbt ideology came from America

[@charlesbrown1365]

@@paulparoma Foucault was a joker , has a fools’ cult

[@Chaser4906]

anything to divide a country is good for our corrupt government.

[@mattyp3119]

Lot of Asian countries had this before USA opening argument is silliness

[@70two41five]

Ladyboys do not believe they are women in the Asian countries, and they aren’t trying to convince you they are either

[@Viewer372]

Good video. John Anderson; one of the best in the business and Helen Joyce packed a lot of info in a succinct fashion.

[@kaliyuga2758]

It started in the universities where people can major in something called gender studies.

[@JH-pt6ih]

Didn't realize Thailand, Laos, and Cambodia were Western countries. First words out of the guys mouth are ignorance.

[@warlockpaladin2261]

None of these places had a "third gender" until after WW2.

[@MrTomyCJ]

In Argentina it was first adopted by a political party that is now in shambles, as it's being strongly challenged by libertarianism. So we kinda skipped the worst of it. I don't know if in the future it can come back again, but I doubt it.