🎄 The Christmas Specials, Game 2 - No More Jockeys [04.12.20]

[@Manwithnoname-90]

The revelation that Horne doesn't pay his forks was truly shocking. Can't believe that hasn't been in the papers yet. Or at least I've not read it in Jamaican Times.

[@Lexi_lexis]

Key shouting "I'm not the stupid one" after his ludicrous play of Father Christmas, a man known world wide for his job gloves, is excellent.

[@Anonymouse85]

Did you see that ludicrous display last night?

[@petergilbert7106]

@@Anonymouse85 The problem with Key is that he always tries to walk it in.

[@2ndhandshop]

It’s not a job. It’s charity work he does once a year. I like to donate to a charity toy drive at Christmas and I certainly don’t tell people that’s my job.

[@keytostart7053]

@@Anonymouse85 😅

[@keytostart7053]

@@petergilbert7106 🤣

[@terrynutkins0]

No more Christmas pies that, when you think about it, are actually Christmas puddings.

[@neilmeadowcroft7569]

That was the biggest issue for me. Horne's jumper said pudding, everyone everywhere calls it a pudding but no, pie it is... ridiculous.

[@chrisnicol3993]

"How did he die?" "What was he wearing....on his hands?" You love to hear it.

[@BeingTheHunt]

it was the "He didn't die at work, then" that did it for me XD

[@jessesutton7985]

I randomly jumped into the video for a rewatch right on that bit. Oh, I don't mind that at all.

[@SgtLion]

"Does Father Christmas have a job?" has become the most polarising question I've heard this year. Love it.

[@LastExile123]

I'd argue it's just a hobby

[@345tom]

I don't think it's whether he gets paid for it, it's whether there's an obligation there for him to do it. Penelope Pitstop is part of a racing team, she's not mechanic-ing her car on her dime, by herself! She's made deals to be in the whacky races. Father Christmas isn't obliged by a governing body to give out gifts, mans not a cursed gift giver! Also, Father Christmas lives in the North Pole- it's cold! He wears gloves year round, regardless of if hes delivering presents. It's a practical Style choice. Key was fine to stay, but made a bungled defense of lack of job gloves, getting blindsided by the focus on pay issues.

[@WukongTheMonkeyKing]

@@345tom two points: 1. There is a great short story about Father Christmas being cursed to deliver presents, and 2. Not all the wacky race drivers wear gloves.

[@franksimon8375]

Penelope pitstop is a fever dream not a real thing

[@Rick-zv3xs]

Appreciate ’polarising’. 8/10 pun points :)

[@tantryl]

Key needs a "I'm not out but I can't win and can continue playing for fun" option.

[@myrin265]

there has never been a better representation of this game than watto being reduced to tearful giggles within the first ten minutes, whilst key fights horne tooth and claw over the definition of a job

[@harrystacey4097]

Really lovely to see Key putting the 'get well soon' gesture to good use straight away

[@jamie_rides]

Key delivering the classics this Christmas: Pitstop, Job-gloves.

[@shanecommins7968]

You left out 'arguing for complete nonsense and somehow getting away with it'.

[@jackiechannel6351]

@@shanecommins7968 SANTA ISN'T PAID. IT'S HIS HOBBY

[@nathanwright89]

Delivering at Christmas. It's almost like he's trying to steal Santa's job...

[@solipsismworld]

Had me howling only two minutes in.

[@Charlie-te2tt]

He's a volunteer

[@chriskaprys]

"You don't even tip a spoon or anything." "He's just condensing the para's, then I'm gonna go Graf." My two favourite under-the-radar lines from this ep of morning minds.

[@sophiusdynami3401]

Thank you for pointing the second one! I missed it!!

[@ChuckBeans61]

On one hand, I have to say Watto deserves all the love he gets down here under the line, on the other hand, I'd have to say Horne's sharp fork thinking made me think he has another level previously unknown, that was coming out in the morning, and on the other hand (I have three, please don't tease) nobody escapes certain death quite like Key.

[@jpquinn91]

Not only an amazing reprieve for Key there on his own category, but then going all-in and knocking Watto out on the same category. Great drama.

[@larastockley4555]

It's a Christmas miracle that Key didn't go out on Father Christmas

[@murrayhannon1641]

"There is no point in me turning up if I'm not challenging Banksy on job gloves."

[@whatsagoodusername1364]

Alongside a fantastic game as always, this is one of my favourite comment section to be residing in. So many people here below the line, coming together to debate whether Father Christmas's routine is a job or not and the nature of a pair of job gloves. Truly wondrous. Don't mind this at all. Mert Christmas everyone!

[@agnieszka9806]

Yeah, Mert Christmas! 😉

[@DD-qq8sn]

And Aksac - y New Year :-)

[@agnieszka9806]

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[@barbaricviking]

LOL, Love your username ^_^

[@emilybitzel7242]

mark cracking up is what i didn't know i needed. best episode yet

[@Shift8YawnsShift8]

If we're saying that Christmas puddings are pies then I suppose I can believe that Father Christmas's career is in package delivery

[@elizabethhughes9155]

That was wreaking me too. You are wearing Christmas puddings.

[@RefnRes]

I always thought they were more like bulbed cakes rather than pies. I feel like pies need pastry round them.

[@rw4578]

Key going for Father Christmas right after the no jobgloves category made me howl with laughter! And Watto, i believe in your innocence.

[@mothpig]

Why, when you think about it, did the graphic say "Mariah Carey" when Horne played Pamela Anderson?

[@Rockabillyrabbit]

That is curious

[@CortezHoratio]

and 'no more first three letters of forename match someone from nativity?'

[@chriskaprys]

this is the only mention of that. and vice versa. i am gratefully confused.

[@leoningall]

I'm pretty sure it was a category from last episode so it's clearly just an admin mixup.

[@garethjenkins2729]

When you sit down, with a cup of tea and a biscuit, in front of the fireplace, wearing an ugly Christmas jumper and really think about it, they're actually the same person.

[@kollenel26]

15:18 - "Oh, so he wasn't at work" was a great bit of business

[@2ndhandshop]

“If we hadn’t challenged it, the below the line would be on fire.” Hey, don’t blame this on us.

[@andythomson240681]

When I really stop and think about it, these videos are my favourite ever thing to watch on KZbin. Thanks and have a happy Christmas, fellas. This might be my first comment on a KZbin video, so best end with a flourish... Over.

[@jms547]

Alright. I'm cool with that.

[@markdavis8444]

I don't mind it

[@Lastielion]

No More Jockeys - or "How The Key Stole Christmas"

[@ym10up]

I went to Wikipedia and found Horne's edit on Sabatini, and saw that someone undid his edit and a few hours later someone else undid the other guy's undid, essentially went back to Horne's version 🤣

[@AlexRoseGames]

He definitely should've done that immediately and wrangled his way back into the competition. Key would've done it if he had the foresight

[@Rosalind-butNotThatOne]

It took them a couple months to notice Graf's: "→‎Personal life: Separated unrelated items into two paragraphs"

[@Willeth]

Enjoying the disqualifying category being shown on screen, thanks!

[@J_PhD]

I dislike the fact that the phrase has gone from "Key to start" to "Key to play" and no one is doing anything about it.

[@Kompoism]

LoL :D

[@TheAppeyes]

It honestly upsets me every week, we need to start a petition

[@ChuckBeans61]

@@TheAppeyes I'm busy at the moment, but I'll try and find a way to play a petition tomorrow.

[@sebzilla89]

Key to kick off

[@elizabethhughes9155]

Yep it was defo Key to start originally.

[@Shift8YawnsShift8]

This series has kept lockdown survivable for me... It's been nice having regular releases to look forward to each week. Looking forward to what's cracking this time

[@MeMe-bi8ue]

I would argue that Father Christmas might be wearing he gloves to keep his hands warm due to the time of the year, as opposed to being specifically for his job. his job would include various admin elements- including the checking and rechecking of lists and watching people sleeping. i suspect he is not wearing gloves for these aspects of his job. Pitstop is wearing driving gloves, for her driving Job( the job debate not withstanding)

[@MeMe-bi8ue]

Just saw this is an expansion of Hattie Ford's comments. Apologies, tablet wasn't scrolling.

[@Avistew]

I would imagine, too, that he's not wearing gloves everywhere in the world, just places that are cold on Christmas

[@slothconnell3579]

I'd have liked to argue that if you can't find a picture of him without gloves, that those are actually his hands.

[@sophiedonegan1875]

also, technically he gets "paid" by milk and cookies

[@Avistew]

Just realised, he4s not even wearing gloves, is he? Every picture I found he was wearing mittens, not gloves

[@noe9250]

“penelope pitstop, no more job gloves”. I often think this to myself and giggle

[@sunilpatel2883]

Love Watson's cheeky special move. Now we know it's truly Christmas!

[@Kimberton149]

That reprieve was an absolute farce and you all know it. I've never seen such flagrant disregard for the game! Should've known something was amiss when you all persisted in calling a pudding a pie. (Lads above the line, you're making a terrible time bearable. Thank you!

[@chriskaprys]

Most roller coaster NMJ opening 4 minutes that I have ever not minded. I already need to start over.

[@JackNobbledy]

The Father Christmas argument may be the finest couple of minutes of ‘television’ of the year. Not least for Mark’s continued disbelief.

[@stevebibs9917]

"he doesn't go down the chimney - that part of it's a myth" 👌🏼

[@HotGodGoose]

JOB GLOVES!! 1st class walk from Watto, as someone from below the line who may have not believed he had a massive heart - you can tell he's got the xmas spirit

[@SnoodyMcFlude]

Quick scan of below the line, looks to me that Key has got off surprisingly lightly

[@johnlovegrove9871]

True, but after the surname debacle last set, I’d say it’s all even now. Fresh start, now he’s free to fall on his sword again.

[@johncole5893]

Just want to wish Alex, Tim and Mark a Merry Christmas from Nova Scotia. I have been watching since I first heard about No More Jockeys, and also love Taskmaster. Thanks for all the entertainment during this trying year. Keep it up boys, can't wait for next year.

[@Izzno]

Horne straight out of the gates with a huge challenge very well defended. Big play.

[@Willeth]

Love a confident Horne.

[@mahow]

Key has a real oversight with job gloves. Also, the fork job thing was stunning.

[@woodwose_scot]

Completely lost it at 'have you never tipped a spoon?'

[@hattie5558]

I would argue that not all gloves worn during a job are job gloves. Goalkeeper gloves, gardening gloves and driving gloves are job gloves because they're required to effectively complete the job. But sometimes people who work outside wear gloves because it's cold, not because they're needed for the job. Santa is wearing gloves because he lives in the North Pole, not because he requires them to deliver presents. If he was wearing a scarf, it wouldn't be a job scarf. The big man's just chilly.

[@Ann0nymous]

When you think of it, a core aspect of his job is the act of breaking and entering residences, so perhaps, the gloves are to keep from leaving prints around the place. He is well known for the protection racket that he runs, collecting his bribe of milk and cookies. Don't pay the fee? That's coal in your stocking, and a Molotov through the window.

[@TheJJKG]

Cannot agree with this. The man needs Job gloves because his job requires him to be 30,000 feet above the atlantic ocean in December, and thus the gloves become a requirement for the vocation.

[@armcie5080]

But he also wears the gloves when he's spending all day in a Australian shopping centre. That's not just for coldness, that's part of his uniform.

[@tr1ckster]

When you think about it, there are other aspects to being a racing driver than just the racing part when Pitstop won’t be wearing gloves. The person working in the freezer department has job gloves because it’s cold there, same as Santa has job gloves because it’s cold in the sky in his sleigh. The North Pole equivalent of the HSE would almost certainly recognise his gloves as an important part of the PPE required for him to do his job. Over.

[@PaddyRoon7]

What if someone's job involved treading through deep snow, would their snow shoes be job shoes? They're only wearing them because of the weather, they're not adding any function to the actual job part, but you wouldn't be able to do it without them. I think, since he's always doing his job either in the North Pole or on Christmas day, he always needs his warm gloves whenever he's doing his job. That makes them job gloves.

[@ozymandeusii1576]

i would have argued that St Nicks job only involves wearing gloves one day of the year, the rest of the time hes a toy maker and factory owner

[@richardconnolly6948]

I'm surprised on the Father Christmas challenge mark didn't pull up a picture of Tim Key playing Father Christmas in 'Anthony' wearing your friend and mine job gloves

[@PaddyRoon7]

16:17 we need a compilation of Key trying to get the other one to challenge 😂

[@kittyschmeeer]

Oh thank you so much I needed that laughter!

[@PaddyRoon7]

Key's second name breaking the category of his first is just incredible scenes

[@stevierocketman]

364 days a year Father Christmas is effectively a site foreman overlooking the elves building the toys, indoors. Bet he doesn't wear gloves for that!

[@agnieszka9806]

It was the game with actions against the rules and I LOVED it.

[@Shift8YawnsShift8]

On the merch: it'd be nice to see you using NMJ mugs in these. Also some "key to start" keyrings wouldn't go amiss

[@jamie_rides]

A "When you think about it" beanie.

[@BeingTheHunt]

wait a second, is "Key to start" an intentional pun?... as in a car key to start a car.... Can't tell if this is a terrible joke I've been missing all this time or if the level of humour here is causing me to see jokes where they don't exist.

[@Shift8YawnsShift8]

@@BeingTheHunt Well, "push to start" is an actual phrase used for cars which start with a button. I've not actually heard "key to start" in that context, but I often think it when I hear it. It sounds like a phrase, and most cars could be described with it, so I'm gonna say it is a phrase.

[@gladtobeangry]

@@Shift8YawnsShift8 You need a Key to start

[@rkah6187]

People have been begging for a 'key to start' keyring since the very first game but do they listen? Of course they don't. I might have to make my own one at some point.

[@whatsagoodusername1364]

12:23 Wrong card?

[@ym10up]

Exactly! Wrong category

[@neilmeadowcroft7569]

And the category didn't even come up right? Was it in the last one or should I put my savings on it being in the next?

[@whatsagoodusername1364]

@@neilmeadowcroft7569 it was the first category of last week's episode

[@cipherhex]

Someone just undid Horne's 4th Dec paragraph tidy-up on Gabriela Sabatini's Wiki

[@Achronos100]

What monster would change Little Alex's edits?! Also, I'm a bit uneasy as you can now clearly see Horne's IP address on Wikipedia. I'm not a tech guy, so there's nothing I can do (or would wish to do) with that information. But there might be seedy people who are. Hmm.

[@garethjenkins2729]

@@Achronos100 nah, Alex will be smart enough to use a VPN.

[@chazdomingo475]

@@Achronos100 It's his cell IP. It will not be static. They will at most be able to trace his cell provider.

[@max_destro]

@@chazdomingo475 You think he's not using wifi at home?

[@AlexRoseGames]

@@max_destro for some reason lots of americans use data and not wifi but moreover, anyone who thinks IP is important (except if you work for MI5 and can get an ISP to relinquish precise information) is overexcited. at best a randomer can trace your IP to the nearest major exchange. When I go on What's My IP dot com the address it gives isn't even in the same county

[@myleo]

These have been so good to watch this year, thanks for making them

[@PaddyRoon7]

16:17 lmao love when Key does that

[@philh5292]

I'm not really a fan of most 21st century shows, and yet, when I think about it, No More Jockeys, Taskmaster, House of Games and Only Connect are four of my favourite all time shows and I absolutely love watching them. 🤓

[@IAMPLEDGE]

name another? 'We Need Answers'.

[@BodywiseMustard]

You missed a comma.

[@SlothBird]

what on earth happened to alex's finger?

[@flywithguy_]

Tim dressed as the Pope of Christmas

[@TiddlywinksVonSmythe]

The category is people who wear gloves for their job. Father Christmas does not wear gloves for his job, he wears gloves because he lives somewhere cold, and sometimes he also wears them at work, but that's not what they're for. They're not present delivering gloves

[@RefnRes]

I reckon he wears them as part of his job not just because its cold but because they would protect his hands when he's pulling on the reins all night. That's part of his job.

[@TiddlywinksVonSmythe]

@@RefnRes i suggest we resolve this by contacting Mr Christmas and asking why he wears the gloves

[@SteRDLK]

@@RefnRes Father Christmas pulls on his reigns all night? Is that how he empties his sacks?

[@timshaw9627]

Insofar as it’s a work uniform, I would consider them present delivering gloves. A postman’s shorts don’t deliver the mail, but without them how would we know who they were?

[@woodwose_scot]

Maybe he only lives at the north pole because it's work-provided accommodation? Maybe the gloves are provided by his employer as appropriate PPE? Maybe, when you think about it, I should stop thinking about it...

[@grahammore8111]

Really looking forward to the team adopting a 'no more celebrities that have been used to name Scottish road gritters' category and subsequently Key falling on his sword over Penelopy Gritstop...

[@bengreen171]

this is classic 'that woulda been a sending off, but it was early in the game and it was his first foul'.

[@DancingVioleta]

“even for us, this is so stupid”

[@richardparsons9041]

Quick check of the various Father Christmas imagery dotted around my gaff and it’s 100% job mittens. No glove action.

[@cemerson]

I think the biggest issue here is Horne's continued use of the phrase 'stem' to refer to a section in a wikipedia article

[@IAMPLEDGE]

I think my favourite Penelope Pitstop moment was when Key played it after no more subjects we did at school. There's two lots of PE and an IT in there. Not that we did IT when I was at school. Back then there was Computer Club at lunchtimes or nothing.

[@Peteroranje]

Watching this as a replacement fix on 23rd April......still a classic!

[@anniegooderham1549]

I'm glad Mark went out on Banksy because, by the example of Father Christmas' first name being Father, we have to take Banksy's first name as Banksy

[@davidyeo5925]

I met Father Christmas in various shops when I was younger and he was never wearing gloves then

[@AbsoluteTwoddle85]

I was hoping for something along the lines of, "well I do if it's a particularly big yogurt pot" in response to Marks "You don't even tip a spoon or anything?" comment!

[@generalhargrievous9928]

Merry Christmas everyone!

[@ChloeFeldmanEmison]

The true heart of the christmas season

[@MarkPentler]

That's a sporting walk from Horne, there. With Wikipedia being community-edited and with no standard format or checks on paragraph length, it's difficult to know how someone's entry will look.

[@lnfreeman]

Well it's his own petard for submitting the category in the first place.

[@BodywiseMustard]

It absolutely IS Father Christmas' job (doesn't require pay), BUT they're not job gloves, they're cold gloves Edit: Christmas's

[@BodywiseMustard]

Hence why it IS Penelope's job. That's synonymous with task.

[@caro_lam]

"What's the job of a fork? It doesn't get paid to put the food in your mouth."

[@jacksonjackson297]

Do the Christmas Specials count as sets along side the main game? So is it 1 set all now? Or are the Christmas Specials just a fun sideline? We need to know for the NMJ Sporting Almanack.

[@alecsoutham2028]

I suppose one could argue that Father Christmas wears gloves when he does his job, but doesn’t where gloves in order to do his job,unlike snookers ref, goalkeeper, Penelope Pittstop or Banksy

[@WukongTheMonkeyKing]

Penelope Pitstop doesn't need to wear gloves to drive in the wacky races. A bunch of the drivers don't wear gloves.

[@Juror8]

Wikipedia's history does mean, when you think about it, Horne's IP address is now public record.

[@Inara1701]

I didn't think I was going to be the only one who went to check to see if he had actually updated it

[@Phil_Tutty]

Normally I watch NMJ the day it comes out, but I'm 2 days late this time because I've been busy paying my cutlery.

[@WukongTheMonkeyKing]

Were they wearing gloves?

[@PaladinusSP]

If nothing else the game is bound to make a positive impact on Wikipedia.

[@steamboatbillywilly]

let's let Key reprieve himself all the way to winning the entire set

[@johannakoivunen7763]

Literally the second Key said no gloves I thought "oh, then they can't play Father Christmas"

[@YoJesusMorales]

That was definitely a walk right there. It's such a fickle thing, penelope pitstop, though the reprieve given at such an early time seems fair. Now I can see the legs of wearing all black.

[@sakumisan]

Santa does not benefit fiscally from his charity work. It isn't a job, it's charity.

[@agnieszka9806]

🥁 When you think about it, that's really nice little drum.

[@jaychard7360]

Is everyone just ignoring the fact Watto knows who Banksy is?

[@mytube001]

Well, the person whom an overwhelming amount of evidence points to as being Banksy, is from Bristol like Mark, and isn't terribly far off Mark's age. And I think he's mentioned that his (Mark's) mother knows Banksy. I'd say it's 99/100 that Banksy's real name is Robin Gunningham. But he very likely has a group of trusted friends who do much of the actual spray painting using stencils supplied by Banksy, particularly when the paintings have been done in more obscure locations, such as the recent one in Ukraine, and also intentionally in locations far from Banksy's known whereabouts at the same time, to throw people off the scent...

[@carrots1550]

Lovely stuff. I think the best ones are when they're not drunk.

[@slothconnell3579]

Shocking steal of a game by Key, lovely to see the bit between his teeth over the festive period, though.

[@ThomasGiles]

12:24 - (a voice from the ether) Time has been revised. That is all.

[@martysears]

The on-screen caption at 12:25 is wrong... and is it me, or did they start trying to avoid men with premiership footballer namesakes rather than avoiding men that DON’T have premiership footballer namesakes? But great episode though 😂

[@RefnRes]

Penelope Pitstop doesn't always wear gloves when she's doing her job. You can find pictures of her driving without gloves.

[@lindsayoakes]

Exactly they are Life Gloves

[@coldandabsurd]

I recently read “Wordwatching” so was shocked Alex has regressed into someone who fiddles with Wikipedia pages after being formally reprimanded.

[@lezzly8581]

Well that took turn quickly 🤣😂🤣😂

[@enders357]

I know that, when you think about it, I’m quite late to the Christmas party on this one, but how were there no challenges on sharing their forenames with Premier League footballers for Michael Portillo, Jack Lisowski or John Waterman??

[@peacefulpaul]

Other way round! They _have_ to share a name with a premier league footballer :)

[@TattyBojangles81]

To be honest, when you think about it, it's the most wonderful time of the year

[@savagehenry8286]

How Mr Key manages to balance that Christmas, ahem, pie on his head without it falling is one of the wonders of the modern digital world. Remarkable showmanship from the Frank Worthington of NMJs.

[@AshArAis]

Just because someone is paid a bad wage (or is self-employed and not taking a salary for whatever reason), doesn't mean it isn't a job

[@garanti2824]

Watto's shady play has gone to a whole new level. Naming a pair in the first round?!? Who does he think he is?

[@julianlineham]

Excellent game although I think there needs to be some limit on reprieves

[@awesomefrankrapid]

To be fair if you Google Father Christmas, there’s plenty of pics of him without gloves too. Gloves clearly aren’t a requirement of his role, he just wears them to keep warm. I think key’s been hard done by here

[@BlueBowlby90]

Keys got lucky there. Everyone knows Father Christmas gets paid in milk and cookies!

[@garethjenkins2729]

Surely it's Sherry and Mince pies??

[@MrMcBaine1]

@@garethjenkins2729 Surely this is just a matter of currency depending on the country. Don't know about the exchange rate though.

[@bearhustler]

@@MrMcBaine1 A good point but a grown man being paid in milk and biscuits rather than booze and pies sounds like the kind of practices Amazon engage in...who set the pay rates ?

[@ColinHall]

Look at any traditional illustration of Father Christmas and he's not wearing gloves. Santa Claus, on the other hand, perhaps wears job gloves. But are they the same person...?

[@Williamwerenberg]

Yes

[@PaulHickford]

Wikipedia says Banksy is Robin Gunningham and Robin van Persie has played in premiership, so that's ok?