The Cody Ko Situation

[@SadBoyzPod]

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[@EC-dg6ti]

I was 25 when I was working with troubled 17 year olds. They were literal children. Doing this blows my mind

[@Nuttmegg456]

The ONLY people I can understand being somewhat defensive about Cody are young adults who were victims themselves as teens. Often, we tend to believe that age gaps aren't wrong and that we were really mature, that's why this person did this with me. The denial of the issue comes from wanting to protect yourself from realizing you were harmed. Anyone else though?? Absolutely not. There is no other reason to think this was ok. It grosses me out to even think about doing anything with a teen, and I am younger than Cody was at the time.

[@jolp9799]

I'm 25 and manage a bunch of interns that age. It literally blows my mind because those are children

[@SahloFolina2161]

@@jolp9799 I always love when people who say shit like “oh well how could the guy resist she looks so hot” even when the girl is a child are debunked when people who are in their 20s and 30s are like “they look like a fucking child wtf are you doing.”

[@grimmithkitten1700]

That was like when a 19 year old groomed me when I was 14. Looking back now when I'm around the same age as he was... I can't even imagine being buddy buddy with someone my sisters age, let alone groom them. Absolutely vile.

[@EsotericThoughts93]

I’m 26 and couldn’t see myself messing with someone under 21. However I prefer older than that mostly. Not that I’m necessarily against going under 21. I just don’t feel we have much in common in terms of emotional intelligence. My preference is people older than me but 24+ feels about right to me. Anyways none of that matters. Point is 25-17 seems wild af to me

[@nubecite]

"Listen to victims even if you don't like them" Thank you

[@Binstabih]

Especially since Cody is out here saying slurs too at a bigger age apparently

[@youtubeyoutubeyoutube9961]

@@Binstabih He's a white male. They get the least reaction out of people whenever they do wrong. Oh, but if It was a black guy like Kai Cenait, he would've been cancelled within hours of Tana speaking out about it.

[@thebeltofvenus]

yes yes yes

[@joshmillere6263]

​@@youtubeyoutubeyoutube9961zero chance Kai would get cancelled for something like that imo.

[@JasminDolly]

this perfectly fits to the amber heard situation. heate campaigns against victims are pretty universial

[@sarchiba]

It's literally SO easy to NOT hook up with a minor...

[@PansyPops]

It’s literally so much easier to NOT hook up with a minor than to hook up with them. Every sane person does it every day!

[@Leonator]

Dude that’s my response EVERYTIME something comes out about a celebrity being a pedo

[@twinarmageddons2857]

the fact that gabbie hannah said shes 17 !! and he STILLLLL did it bro

[@CCS565]

Is the word literally necessary in your statement?

[@coatimundi69]

​​@@CCS565 in this specific comment i would say yes, but even if it wasnt the sentence is still legible and you understand what they're saying so correcting grammar, diction, or spelling is just you feeding your ego in youtube comments

[@allydef]

I find it so interesting that the same people who defend Cody for taking advantage of a teenager say “oh but it was so long ago and he’s married with a kid so he’s changed” but they have no problem criticizing Tana for stupid things she did and said in the past. The mental gymnastics that people will do to protect rapists instead of their victims is incredibly disgusting and pathetic.

[@andrearodriguez8003]

YOU ARE SO RIGHT

[@adil0028]

Wait so wouldn't that logic go the other way too then

[@sleeanisnotlean]

also the issue is that yeah it's been a long time. but he's not faced ANY sort of consequences or have taken any responsibility on any accounts. He could just talk about it apologize and move on. but he has refused to acknowledge it. constantly regulating his comments The least he could do is to protect tana from all the backlash. he could not give a shit. don't forget that the man's still close friends with another "alleged" rapist. His fellow frat boy from duke

[@gemmaviol3t]

@@adil0028 no ??? because he willingly and knowingly went after a MINOR. you don't just get to move on from that ??

[@adil0028]

@@gemmaviol3t oh hell no I'm not defending Cody at all, I've been waiting for this to eventually happen ever since I learned that he was a frat boy

[@frankensteinlives]

Rachel Oates made a good point about the people saying that 17 and 18 are basically the same age, namely: That's not the point. The point isn't "Oh, 17 and 18 are basically the same age, who cares?" The point is that 25 is WORLDS away from 17/18.

[@madeofmeats]

Also, the age of consent in Florida is 18, full stop. Anything below that, no matter how close, is still underage.

[@4VI4N]

@@madeofmeatsfor real!!! she could have been 17 and 364 days and it WOULD NOT MATTER! he still did that with an under age child who cannot consent!! AT 25 ?!!!!!!

[@eldritchbidoof]

or with that same apologist logic from commenters, you could just as much say "17 is pretty much 16", like let's keep it 100 here lol

[@mustanggox]

@@eldritchbidoofyep. and it gets lower and lower until ppl are justifying attraction to prepubescent children. none of its okay

[@lrizzard]

okay then one can say 18 is basically the same as 17 so if he had been with an 18 y.o its basically illegal 🤨

[@trinityflores9663]

Tana did not have anyone to protect her when she was younger in this space. It’s sad the adults that took advantage of her, ESPECIALLY sexually, thinking no adult is there to hold them accountable FOR HER. She deserved to be protected as a teenager, no matter the choices she made. She was a TEENAGER.

[@gnocchipr1nc3ss]

Exactly. And it feels imperative now that the same mistakes are not repeated. She was not protected then and I’m glad it’s looking like more people are here to protect her now

[@carpincho146]

absolutely 100%

[@Cashhhhew]

This is what I’ve been saying. She dropped out of high school at 15 or 16 and moved to LA alone as a minor to flee a bad home life. People with that background are WAY more likely to have stuff like this happen to them.

[@melinaalba63]

Exactly. And I feel like people arguing against her say that if she was 18 it would have been fine. But there is a clear Power imbalance between them as she stated, because she was a Fan of his, and back then it was clearly already perceived as something that definitely should not happen, made clear by Gabbi Hanna Telling him she's 17. And, most importantly, she certainly has to deal with this and is deeply affected by it in her own way. If you need more evidence that what happened was really bad, no matter if it would have been a crime in your state or country or not, then that, to me, is a problem. In germany the age of consent is 14. But not so that 25 year olds can have Sex with 14 year olds. And until you are 18, it is a crime if a person that has some type of power over you (e.g. a teacher) has sex with them. And Cody had power over her. There just isn't any question or whether this is a crime or not in my eyes. It's horrible how people talk about this as if its nothing

[@ticklord]

It was a crime, but the statute of limitations on statutory in California is only 1 to 3 years. ​@@melinaalba63

[@wrenmassey6876]

In my opinion, all of the things that make Tana an "imperfect" victim actually made her way more vulnerable for it to happen. She came from an unstable household and was an extreme partier and wanted to be rich and famous and wanted to be a part of the cool kids club. Yeah, she was annoying on KZbin and also does need to be held accountable for her wrongdoings, but none of those things discount the fact that Cody, knowing she was 17, still decided to sleep with her

[@transsnack]

It's interesting that the phrase "perfect victim" is so at odds with the entire context of being an "at risk youth". Tana was, as many other victims are or were, high risk for this type of abuse. She had no support, had fallen in with the (and I kinda hate this term but it's accurate here) "wrong crowd", and Cody realized that.

[@Chuwks1991]

She was 17 and 10 months old. So two more months and this is a non story? Or if they were in 32 other states in America it would be ok?? This is non story. She was rich famous and wanted to have fun with Cody and gave consent. The laws and society are making her feel like a victim when she isn’t. In the state Tana is from (Nevada) and the country Cody is from (Canada) the age of consent is 16. Cody is now married with a kid and yall want him to speak about something the “victim” isn’t asking for herself is weird. All this virtue signaling online is corny.

[@neff6185]

@kaws3076 Can you people stop saying she “gave consent” you cannot legally give consent when you are under the age of consent. End of conversation, she can’t give consent, otherwise any minor could just say “I gave consent to the fully grown adult I had sex with” that is why the law exists. Stop blabbering.

[@Lena_Joseph]

@@Chuwks1991”she was 17 and 10 months old” YEAH AND THAT’S *NOT* 18. END OF CONVO.

[@CarissaEllyn]

@@Chuwks1991so she was 17?

[@Charley070]

The “out for blood” statement is so on point. I couldn’t believe that people were leaving comments under Kelsey’s pregnancy photos that she is a terrible mother and that their baby is going to be a rapist like his father. Regardless of how you feel about Cody, that is PSYCHOTIC behavior.

[@goldensloth7]

oh god

[@wild_fl0wersss]

I think Kelsey turned off Instagram comments now. People were being so cruel about her and their son it was gross

[@allydef]

God how horrible. His son didn’t ask to be here, let alone be the child of someone like Cody. He’s a baby. He’s innocent 😞

[@gabycorona8528]

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[@jstp99]

Poor Kelsey has to turn off Instagram comments

[@rilkeans]

kelsey getting all the criticism in her comments because cody's are moderated is insane

[@amberevol]

I think he gave up on moderating his but it was def censored for several days

[@spectrophobic]

@@amberevol oh for sure I looked on his comments during the beginning of this and the comments were so normal it was insane

[@LisaHarvey16]

I wonder if Kelsey knew before the comments?

[@mayraz5625]

@@LisaHarvey16 I highly doubt that she wouldn't

[@PixelPenguin87212]

His comments and subreddit are not being moderated like at all now.

[@bigdumbhorsebaby2795]

There was one point that D’angelo made that I thought was incredibly important that I haven’t heard many people acknowledge: in the commentary community, particularly among left-leaning creators, men can get a lot of views and subscribers by “dunking on misogynists” but when it comes to actually holding their friends/peers accountable they often choose to remain silent. As someone who has survived sexual assault it always sticks out to me when it seems like a man is presenting himself as an ally but still associates with people who are known abusers. I think a lot of survivors, particularly women, feel really jaded by the constant stream of men who present themselves as feminists being unmasked as liars. It’s frustrating to see our trauma being exploited in this way and makes it even more difficult to heal and trust people. Thanks for speaking up and for acknowledging why people may have been upset by silence. It takes a lot to drop any defensiveness and to think about why people are emotionally heightened. Anyway, I appreciate you both.

[@silenthornn]

!! well said

[@bib4eto656]

Gus Johnson comes to mind. He was claiming to be a feminist, dunking on misogyny. Then we all learned otherwise.

[@megan-mr9vk]

@@bib4eto656and people STILL defend him.

[@bib4eto656]

@@megan-mr9vk god, yes. Because “they had recently started dating and then he had to take care of her after the surgery”. Oh wow, what a horrible situation for him.

[@jyt74]

Very good reminder

[@abbey5288]

It is WILD to me that Cody is just leaving Kelsey out to dry essentially and just letting her take all the criticism

[@nman551]

What a great husband..not

[@sidneylowery1543]

Especially when she just gave birth to his firstborn son.

[@JStack]

You’re surprised a pdf file isn’t a caring husband ?

[@indieoregano]

She had to turn off her Instagram comments because of it all, actually insane

[@nman551]

@@sidneylowery1543 that poor kid..

[@lacexv]

Not only was Cody Ko 25 at the time, but Tana was a fan of him. Cody Ko took advantage of an underage fan after being told that she was underage.

[@bonnie1303]

And she was clearly trying to come up on social media. So she’s a fan of his, he’s way older, she’s trying to make industry connections… all of this combines into an actually vulnerable person being taken advantage of

[@Random-sk6hm]

@@bonnie1303 She's also had a troubled past being abused by family and disowned/kicked out of home.

[@scipiodriver4076]

Shane Dawson literally did the exact same fucking thing with Tana at the same age, and he is *older* than Cody. But these two KZbinrs would rather you hear about his BS conspiracy theories. End the double standard. It’s fucking bullshit Shane is still free years after being called out. HE HAS BABIES NOW. Fucking call out ALL predators or admit you don’t care (not aimed at anyone in this comment section in particular, just really pissed at Jarvis when I and others have been BEGGING him for years to cover something about Shane other than his content)

[@TrulyNemo]

​@@scipiodriver4076 I mean, I feel like it's a little unfair to put that on Jarvis? That's not really what he does on youtube, and he has no personal connection that obliges him to comment on it. There are so many hours long videos on Shane, I don't understand why you're angry at Jarvis because he in particular hasn't commented in more detail.

[@scipiodriver4076]

@@TrulyNemo The problem is he chose to make videos on Shane, but NOT about the predatory things he did. Don’t fucking choose to make content about a child predator and refuse to actually call out the child predator. Other people already making videos about Shane doesn’t mean jack shit, so you can go ahead and quit the attempts at deflection. If he cared about protecting kids, he wouldn’t help Shane cover up his actions with his new content. If he cared about the law being uphold in situations like this, then he would have fucking said something when Shane had Tana *at the same fucking age* pee on him, only difference between him and Cody is Shane is *10* years older than Tana, whereas Cody was *6* years older. You either care about calling out predators or you fucking don’t. It’s clear Jarvis doesn’t. Not sure why the fuck you would want to defend someone like that, but you make your own choices.

[@alo5728-z3t]

Jordan and Jarvis thinking he’d make a statement when in reality he’s currently DJ’ing at a hotel/club in Vegas. Speaks absolute volumes. Thank you for making this episode.

[@danielleb.2951]

HUH?? he's DJing right now as this all unfolds? where did u hear this from?

[@lxighann]

@@danielleb.2951he’s had a set scheduled for a little while now and he still went through with it. check the codykosnark subreddit they even posted a video, he played “sorry” by justin beiber as well which feels…..icky to say the least

[@alo5728-z3t]

look up encore beach club, he was supposed to play a set. People were wondering if he would cancel…. and he didn’t. so he’s out partying while all this shit is unfolding.

[@megan-mr9vk]

i saw a clip on reddit of him playing “sorry” by justin bieber during the set. i don’t know if i want it to be real or not

[@gauner1312]

the crowd is cheering Cody on too. sickening

[@leebobeebo]

if people refuse to support victims because they have done something controversial in the past, they're basically saying you have to earn the right to not be harmed by being perfect. no one deserves to be harmed. no one should ever be okay with a CHILD being harmed.

[@headintheclouds4571]

Very well said!!! It’s crazy to me that people are even Trying to argue this point!

[@MakaylaWilliams-y3c]

In order to believe a victim, they have to have evidence and she doesn't. Also why didn’t she mention the other youtubers that she slept with,"I slept with a few youtubers, including Cody KO at 17" So she names the most famous one. Definitely not suspicious

[@toolazyforthis3164]

Even if she specifically mentioned Cody by name just because he was the biggest KZbinr (which is not the only explanation) why would that matter? All that really matters is if she is telling the truth or not. It’s completely fine if you don’t think there is enough evidence to make a judgement call yet. But to me it feels like you’re creating hoops a victim has to leap through to be considered a victim at all.

[@MakaylaWilliams-y3c]

@toolazyforthis3164 She was 17 like come on. She may have regretted it but like life is filled with them,I know women her age that do this crap,they know it's wrong just as much as the man does but they are grown they are adults. But when it's time to be one they want to be the victim of SA

[@toolazyforthis3164]

@@MakaylaWilliams-y3c are you not from America? 17 is still a child, not that it would be any different if she was 18, outside of the legality. It’s not like you suddenly achieve enlightened maturity when you become an adult. Tana was a young women who had gone through some shit, she was vulnerable. And an older man that she was a fan of, who had significant power over her, took advantage of that. It took her so long to realize it was fucked up because she is now the same age he was at the time and can look back and say ‘I would never do that and would never tolerate someone doing that to someone I care about because it’s terrible.’ The fact that she needed to grow up to understand why it is wrong IS exactly why it’s wrong.

[@SLYCoopaEatsChicken]

Appreciate you boys. I was groomed by a 26 year old at 17 and he ruined my fucking life.

[@emgene3]

I'm so sorry, I hope things are better now. Good luck ❤

[@jolly2be]

I hope you are doing well now. 💜

[@nman551]

@@SLYCoopaEatsChicken I got groomed too, it’s awful..

[@layton6202]

Ruined as in how if you don’t mind me asking

[@Tsukuyomi500]

@@layton6202use your imagination

[@Louisa536]

I saw someone write that, for a women to be believed in situations like this, she needs to have never done anything wrong and the man needs to have never done anything right, otherwise people will automatically discredit any allegations. There is sadly a lot of truth in this.

[@sunshineking1053]

That’s such a good point wow

[@theycallmekid6917]

@@Geebicusi am not trying to be rude but you are basically defending sexual perpetrators with this mentality. the og commentor stated a very true reality when it comes to victims and abusers, in this scenario specifically: female victims of male abusers. you are actively defying the 'believe victims' message by bringing up hypothetical and even irrelevant situations. yes, of course people could falsely accuse with malicious intent against a person. but the reason the 'believe victims' mentality exists isn't in support of false allegations, it's to not let actual perpetrators slip into the darkness while people of your mentality are too busy accusing victims of lying. of course nothing is proven, but quite frankly, if these allegations weren't truthful then cody wouldn't be ignoring them like this. if someone knew they were being falsely accused as an attempt to defamate their life or career, they would immediately speak up to avoid this defamation. but if the allegations are true, it makes more sense why cody is choosing to remain silent, because he knows he can't claim they're false.

[@Louisa536]

@@Geebicus I was just pointing out that, if a women isn't the "perfect victim", people on the internet will very quickly accuse her of lying or making stuff up for whatever reason and if the man who's accused is likeable and popular, it's even more unlikely for her to be believed. Such cases are very, very difficult to "prove" in a court because usually there is no evidence (unless one is Cody's friend and filmed it) I guess at the end of the day it's just important to remember that every one of us probably knows at least one girl or women that got assaulted or worse, many of them never said anything or pressed charges. If one is accusing victims of lying and treating them like a potential criminal instead of believing them, that will never change.That doesn't mean that you should take out your pitchfork and hunt any guy with allegations down, but it means that we need to be more careful about how we speak about those women coming forward. Let's take the P. Diddy case as an example. How many people accused Cassie online of lying before the security camera footage showed up? Disgustingly many. There are far more men getting away with abuse and rape than women lying about it. One would think it's the other way around, reading your comment, but it's truly not.

[@Darkfyyre]

@@Louisa536 this is why i try to take the mentality of "take all allegations seriously" as opposed to like, declaring i 100% believe the accused is guilty, though i generally do feel both ways (believe the victim and take them seriously). still, i think framing it this way might be helpful for anyone who pulls the "innocent until proven guilty!!" card (ignoring the fact that the court of law and the court of public opinion don't operate on the same rules) because it addresses the possibility of the accused being innocent, but it also doesn't assume innocence, nor discredit the accusations. believe victims is GREAT, but the statement will often lose anyone on the fence or anyone more reticent to take a person at their word, regardless of the claims being levied. basically it's like, okay YEAH sure. hypothetically the accused may be innocent, i won't deny that. HOWEVER. it's critical to treat the allegations seriously, and not to treat the accuser like they're lying for attention or w/e. allow them to speak openly about their experiences, provide emotional support, that sort of thing. at the same time, put pressure on the accused to address the allegations, don't let them dodge the responsibility of acknowledging what's going on. scrutinize carefully how they react and what they do in response. it's reasonable to treat cagey-ness as suspicious, and to take issue with a refusal to address the accusations at all. these behaviors may not themselves be indicators of guilt, but they don't lend any credibility to the accused either. don't go so far as to start name-calling or sending threats to the accused, though, because that's its own kind of despicable, and it's really unproductive too - it can undermine the position of the accuser even, which ain't great. let's treat everyone involved like the human beings that they are, EVEN IF you don't like one or both parties. they're still people! and so are we! so it will go a long way to remain civil and treat each other with at least a bare minimum amount of respect. and, should the truth be as dark (or worse) than original presented... don't let the abuser get away with it.

[@SmashleyBanjolene]

​@@Darkfyyrebeautifully stated.

[@blue-dabad33]

The most damning thing for me was Cody going "yo are we good?" to Tana after she told the story, and then bringing up his wedding, like to me that just screams "yeah i did it but why are you bringing it up *now* ?" and that's horrible. I'm disgusted by his behaviour

[@scarlett6143]

i hope she comes out with screenshots. it does kindof seem like she hasn't directly attacked him? i dont know anything about the previous stuff though so maybe she has. if she has that screenshot of that text that could be great evidence though

[@morganqorishchi8181]

Psychologically, it's most common for people who have committed a crime repeatedly to act casual about it. So that's deeply concerning to me, that he's so 'yeah, what?' about this. There's definitely another victim.

[@moonamigi]

Right? That would have been his time to apologize. He only cares about himself

[@gw6905]

@@morganqorishchi8181go on the cody ko unfiltered subreddit. just came out that he supposedly had a 17 year old girlfriend while he was 24

[@ghosts-only]

I really wish she would have brought the receipts for that interaction. They would help to build a better case and I don’t know why she wouldn’t. I believe Tana, this allegation has been around for at least 4 years, but girly drop the receipts.

[@elizabethai]

She was exploited by grown men like Cody Ko when she was a teenager - how is that "wild" behavior something SHE's being condemned for?

[@voiceinyourhead8284]

I mean Tanacon didn't come about cause she was groomed. She did bad things, but that doesn't mean she isn't a victim either

[@elizabethai]

@@voiceinyourhead8284 she was a traumatized college junior aged girl that tried to organize a conference in weeks and none of the clout seeking adults that took advantage of her for years decided to help - and she immediately sewed the ramifications for it - what's the scandal?

[@Seli.em54]

You’re allowed to make mistakes and still jot deserve to be abused / taken advantage of by someone way older and more powerful than you. Esp when you look up to the person abusing you. Your logic is flawed.

[@aniyilator]

​@@elizabethai That was the whole problem with Tanacon. People were, for some reason, shocked by the fact that a famously immature kid wasn't able to properly plan an impulsively made event, and people have used that as the fuel for why it's okay for bad things to happen to her as a person.

[@bishielurfer]

​@@elizabethai​ her being a victim and having been taken advantage of does not change the fact that she also took advantage of her fans (she's been involved in other scandals revolving around scams than just tanacon) and also has sexual harassment allegations against her. A person does not have to be perfect to be a victim, and a victim is not incapable of also committing their own wrongs. None of what she did discounts what happened to her, but what happened to her also doesn't excuse her own actions. I don't think Tana's later actions should be considered when discussing what happened to her. But I also don't think her actions can be ignored because of what happened to her. They are two separate issues.

[@jillmendoza6059]

Thank you so much for emphasizing that Tana’s reputation is not relevant to this situation

[@KalinTheZola]

God I need to stop reading comments right after I wake up lol I read that was "trans representation is not relevant to this situation" and I was like "that's true but oh god why are people talking about this - why are my fellow trans people getting wrapped up in this???"

[@apeiceofgarbage9848]

​@KalinTheZola thanks for the chuckle this gave me

[@ember9361]

yeah, even irresponsible/irritating people can be victims. No one's a saint.

[@Required_ransom]

It’s obvious to me that someone being annoying isn’t reason to reject or doubt their claims, but wouldn’t having a history of lying for attention be a reason? Take the Boogie situation for example (there’s more evidence here). If you’re a known liar, it doesn’t surprise me when people don’t immediately believe you. From what I understand, Tana has a history of hyperbole and even lying for attention.

[@JacubWhite38]

​@KalinTheZola I've made similar mistakes. Making those little goofs is what reminds me I'm not a robot

[@jebemtiyoutube]

When I was 16 I chose to be in a relationship with a 27 year old man. I was not pushed into it, and at the time I thought that I was sooo mature and like I understood exactly what I was doing. However, as the years passed and I understood and really processed what had happened, I sincerely regretted the relationship to my core... thankfully, we never even did more than kiss (although he did try to get me to come home to him and sleep at his place multiple times), but I'm still so disgusted by it. TL;DR - Tana is allowed to realize her trauma after the fact

[@gaygengar]

i'm sorry, but that adult man is fully responsible for entering a romantic relationship with a child. you are not responsible for that relationship dynamic. full stop. it breaks my heart to see you blaming yourself for "choosing" to date an adult man when you were a child. no. it was on HIM to stop that shit before it even happened. *he took advantage of you.* even if you approached him saying you wanted to date, he took advantage of you by agreeing to it. i'm 23 and the thought of kissing a 16 year old makes me want to vomit. that man is a predator and i am so, so sorry that you have been made to feel like it was your fault for "chasing after him". HE knew better. YOU didn't.

[@yoloswagbigswagmoments]

Bro exactly!! People don't understand that no matter how mature teenagers may appear, or think they are, their brain hasn't developed yet!! Once you develop you look back on yourself and go wtf? But people seem to think that if you're able to make any decision at all, then youre fully grown and developed and deserve everything bad that ever happened to you. But you aren't. The hallmark of every teenager, no matter how stupid or smart they appear to be, is that their brain ISN'T developed. And these older people should know full well to stay away from teenagers because they KNOW from experience that those teenagers aren't developed. It's honestly ridiculous that people say that you knew what you were doing as a teenager. No u didn't. U just thought you did. It's disgusting that people use that as an excuse to ignore abuse. I'm sorry that happened to you

[@strawberrysyren]

Yep. And i know you said you chose to but that relationship was still his fault. As the mature adult in that situation, he should've shut down any advances you made and he's 100% responsible for what happened and he took advantage of you. The way people will try to claim that the victim "choses" to engage or even instigate is absurd. They were the more vulnerable person and it should be the other person, the GROWN ADULT, who takes responsibility. you may not have been coerced but you were definitely taken advantage of, so don't let anyone ever try to invalidate what happened to you. I'm glad it never went too far though and i wish you the best on healing from this

[@jebemtiyoutube]

@yoloswagbigswagmoments so true! "Smart" does not equal "fully developed" - we should make that into a t-shirt! 😂 no but seriously, I wholeheartedly agree with you on everything you said. And isn't it crazy how much grace people gave Logan Paul when he filmed and posted that dead body, because he was "just a kid" (at the age of 22), but in this scenario they're acting like Tana was an adult? And thank you for your kind words 🙏🏼

[@jebemtiyoutube]

@strawberrysyren believe it or not, he was actually the one who pursued me! So gross 😷 but I thank you for your kind and understanding message, it means a lot and I take it all to heart ❤️ I know I'm just a random person on the internet, but I still want you to know that I'm fine today haha, he was a piece of shit, which is probably why he's still alone today (at the age of 41) 🖕🏼🖕🏼🖕🏼 Thank you again, your friends and family are very lucky to have you ❤️

[@Sevse-nh3fi]

I dont know anything about Tana and her past but most people dont realize that there is no Perfect Victim- And by that I mean there is no stereotypical way a victim would act or look. It doesnt matter what shes done in the past, because anyone can be hurt or victimized, even if they are a “Bad Person.” The world doesn’t function through such extremes.

[@Sevse-nh3fi]

To a certain extent I understand that maybe this mindset makes sense to someone who wishes the world would have some intrinsic sort of justice, where naturally it is the Good People vs the Bad People, but it isnt that simple. “Good people” can hurt others, and “bad people” can be hurt. This is something I know at least Jarvis has acknowledged- That anyone is capable of harm, so of course a lot of people would also be capable of Being harmed by someone else

[@DOCTOR.DEADHEAD]

Nicely said. I'm someone who did dislike Tana for a long time, namely due to idubbbz's video on her (Which I know hasn't aged the best either. I haven't kept up with her since then and thus can't speak for her character now), yet I still understand that anyone can be a victim. Not my nor anyone else's feelings towards her changes how this experience affected her.

[@xg2513]

(I agree btw make sure you read all of my comment!) To my understanding the only skepticism people have is because people who have known about Tana for years and years knows she made her entire career off of lying in videos for story times for views. She has that reputation she made for herself as the dramatic exaggerated (potentially lie filled) story time girl. It is fair to question a little bit, especially if the only evidence was her word vs his. However, you are right. There is no perfect victim and especially with Gabbie Hannah’s video clip coming out it’s super obvious that very happened. My un pc opinion is that even if it she was 18, she’s a victim. Someone 17 and one month away from turning 18 and someone 18 and a week old are the same person. There’s no magical shift that happens when you hit 18 where suddenly you’re not a teenager, and anyone who’s 25 going after a 17 18 19 is weird, irrespective of legal technicalities.

[@hmmm_welll889]

Absolutely, it just makes no fucking sense to hear someone say "hey that guy punched me" and then say "ok well you called me a bitch 8 years ago"

[@sarasliger9176]

Period !

[@teddieprox2307]

Everyone has talked about the cody situation but cody

[@kettlecorn2197]

LITERALLY 😭😭

[@Unfortunately_Mickey]

Or his business partner...

[@maryr6595]

Would love to hear from Danny, Drew, Kurtis, Noel..

[@OrbObserver]

He's going to go dark without addressing it for a few months knowing the internet has a short attention span, come back like nothing has happened, and continue on. It's cynical but what else would you expect from him?

[@Jakuzarskey]

And everyone waited until it was popular opinion to talk about the Cody ko situation

[@annikalouise572]

it scares me when people say that because Tana was promiscuous at that age it shouldn’t matter. if anything i think of all the men before Cody that took advantage of her, and how people want to perpetuate that further for an underage woman :(

[@franmari]

agreed, even if a teenager tries to initiate, it is the adult’s responsibility to shut it down, an adult cant be “seduced” by a teenager if they aren’t interested in teens to begin with, big yuck

[@FrumiousMing8]

As an adult who's been 25 (31 now), it's laughable to think of a 17 yr olds "seduction" attempts. Any adult who claims to have been "seduced" by a teenager is pathetic and weak, imo.

[@Ashbrash1998]

I just read a comment that made my blood boil that pretty much said she was asking for it by not being a virgin and not wearing a full body suit. Even worse when they said the age of consent was on the same level as jaywalking in this scenario.

[@morganqorishchi8181]

My mom is a pediatric forensic psychologist. One of her patients was called promiscuous by a judge once for having been abused when she was 8. She was 10 during the trial of a totally different perpetrator. It's disgusting, but people will genuine look at children and go, "You had sex before? Then you're not a victim!"

[@Skeepers_]

Completely agree! It shouldn’t even matter about the age, anyone at any age should be able to dress how they like and not be sexually assaulted, it just makes it a lot worse that she was a minor at the time, and Cody was TOLD that she was a minor! Sadly, we don’t live in a world where women can feel free to dress how they want without them being scared for their safety

[@MeeraReads]

A friend of mine one said “a man over 21 who typically dates 18 and 19 year olds would date 16 and 17 year olds if it was legal” and she’s absolutely right. It would still be gross and wrong if he had waited and had sex with her on her 18th birthday.

[@cakes4494]

That's what I hate about this kind of conversations on the online space, there's a whole lot of people who view whatever the law is as what is moral when the two are linked but not the same. The inability of some people to separate the two really hinders potential progress in how we approach these kind of situations and who people support. If older people watch the videos then the younger people who are expected to not know better feel legitimized in their like. Normally that is fine but when these sorts of situations happen people refusing to discuss morality due to the fact it's such a grey area as no law can be 100% perfectly moral and never misused, well then its allowing someone to keep an audience the same age as the person harmed.

[@melissawiens1422]

Honestly, I was one of the Cody Ko fans that had to take a look inward when I reacted to the news. I didn't send hate to Tana but internally, I felt like defending him which is weird cause I always want to back the victim. It was the fact his groomsman is a sexual predator that really made me really uncomfortable. Then I saw D'Angelo's video with the clip of Gabby talking on it and I haven't clicked on a single video of his since. I've been really taken a look at my own judgements of women coming out and I'm so sorry to Tana.

[@chaerie.faerie]

i am SO PROUD of you.

[@KelpieRider]

Seeing the problems in our behavior and choosing to change can be difficult but we are all better people for having done it.

[@scarlett6143]

somewhat was in the same boat. he has had such the character of a 'genuine good guy' the past couple years and maybe he has become that guy, but that doesn't change this disgusting thing he did in the past. separating those two people but holding them both accountable was also a little hard in my mind. watching d'angelo's video and hearing that gabbie hanna literally told him she was 17, he said okay thank you for letting me know and then did it anyways was what helped to disconnect that in my mind. also the fact that his stuff hasn't been funny in years (cough without noel bcuz i was still listening tmg until about 2/3 months ago,) and it was just nostalgia and boredom that kept me coming back lol

[@annecorrie_]

This is amazing

[@deadalpeca8099]

Honestly, very similar reaction from my side. I think this is just the nature of parasocial relationships though. If someone I know well and think of in a positive light is suddenly accused of something horrible, my first instinct would be to defend them. But then you have to take a step back, you have to set your biases aside and evaluate the situation being fair to both sides. In this case, it isn't looking very favourable at all for Cody sadly...

[@savannah7690]

It's interesting that everyone I see defending Cody isn't claiming that he didn't do it, but that it wasn't a big deal. Because Tana is unlikeable and Cody's a good guy, right? An upsetting amount of people are pulling out the "it was a long time ago so we should let it go" argument, and "he has a wife and kid now so we shouldn't slander his name!" They act like talking about actions (or a CRIME) committed by someone is somehow an attack on their character. No, we are stating something Cody DID.

[@Eli0223]

They always wanna protect those who did the harm but never the harmed

[@keppakappa5033]

No, but see, when those people watch Cody's videos, they get Good Feelings. And anyone who so much as dares to suggest that a famous internet stranger that gave them Good Feelings is bad is, obviously, an evil hater troll that just hates fun and makes up drama, because that famous internet stranger could NEVER do ANYTHING bad! They gave them Good Feelings that one time after all, and that trumps literally every single piece of evidence in the universe. Because to those people, getting to enjoy a youtube video for x amount of mins without feeling guilty for knowingly platforming an abuser is far, far, FAR more valuable than any other person's safety.

[@secrfidr]

"It was so long ago! He's different now!" See, that only works for, like, being a cringy teenager who said slurs or was kinda creepy. Not for assault. That's not how crimes work! If he truly changed, truly regretted it, truly is a better person, he wouldntve ignored it for years on end and try to surpress his victim's claims.

[@transsnack]

​@@secrfidrhonestly "It was so long ago, they're a different person now!" works a lot better for Tana. She was a teen when she started out in KZbin, and an at risk one too. He was already an adult. If anyone changed, it's her.

[@wigglemelon8807]

@@savannah7690 EXATLY 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 "It was a long time ago"...so 8 years is huge in this instance, but not when it's the age gap between Cody and the child he had sex with? Convenient.

[@amoodyfrog]

I find it ridiculous that it took a man to say it for people to listen. Many women, including Tana, were speaking about it. But when women talk about these things, it's drama and tea. When men do it, it's commentary.

[@ryanstardust_]

Alizee made a video saying the exact same thing. I get Cody had been trying to hide it, but other people had been talking about it! Rachel Oates did a great video before DeAngelo's, Trisha and Tana talked about it on Trisha's podcast, and Tana talked about it on her own podcast. The clip from the live show went viral on TikTok, this has been all over reddit since June.

[@nicres]

@@ryanstardust_not valid until the men validate it 🙄 so many layers to the misogyny 💔 feels insurmountable sometimes

[@MC-su3sd]

And the fact that the women involved with Cody are getting the same amount of direct backlash, if not more than Cody, really shows internalized misogyny. People are so desperate to put themselves on a moral high ground but refuse to accuse the men, because ‘he just had a baby’. Fuck that noise. The only person we need to expect anything from is Cody

[@katielibby15]

It’s been a thing for YEARS. YEARS. and one man talked about it, now now everyone can. No one wanted to be the original person to stand with Tana and go against Cody until it was so many people going against him that it’s safe to dogpile now. I’m happy people are talking about it now, I’m happy people are supporting Tana because she is a victim. But it’s wild to see that it’s nothing until a man speaks on it.

[@lethalsl4pper1]

I don’t think it’s as deep as gender on why D’angelo’s video blew up. I got the video recommended to me a few hours after it was uploaded, and it already had 200k+ views, so he probably just caught the algorithm and it never let go lol

[@ayuramu3041]

When I was 25 I was a teacher in a school teaching 17 year olds. And I used to call everyone kiddo because in my mind they were small kids with lots of attitude and bad handwriting. 17 year olds or even 18 years old are kids. My God what is wrong with these people.

[@PyxeledGenesis]

Unrelated to the discourse about the AoC (still nasty what Cody did), I think it's important to remember 16-18yos are minors, but not children. Not fully developed, but absolutely young adults with emotions and real adult problems. There's a massive difference between a 5yo and a 16yo.

[@MegaVega2007]

@@PyxeledGenesisjust an exaggeration to emphasize how young they view 17 year olds as a 25 year old. I doubt they really see them as kids. They are realistically both young adults.

[@FukaiKokoro]

Cody ko IS NOT COMMENTARY ANYMORE. He's basically just a reaction frat bro ssniperwolf now.

[@Jasperlovescheese]

I KNOW RIGHT me and my girlfriend have been pointing this out for a while, it’s not even commentary it’s “reaction content” which is NOT the same

[@3starsburningbright]

Could explain why I fell out of watching his content a while before I ever found out about his allegations. I just didn’t find him funny anymore

[@judysm95]

Thank you…I feel like people paint these “genres” on KZbin with such a broad brush.

[@blue-dabad33]

oh my god he is 😭 i've been trying to put my finger on it for years but I never found the words

[@elspethdyce6771]

omg so true, all he does is button videos with the laziest thumbnails

[@rennebem]

thank you d'angelo for opening the gates of the commentary community

[@paulinezugzwang1773]

He never misses

[@LisaHarvey16]

I agree. Thank you D'Angelo.

[@melbapeach162]

D'Angelo has real integrity.

[@Annaffable]

I’m absolutely grateful for D’Angelo making his video and getting the ball rolling. I just wish that wasn’t what it took to get widespread recognition

[@randomuser6792]

this.

[@longforari]

I was harassed by an adult at 17 and punished for it because I was "flirting with an adult". I was still so mentally young and it's disgusting how people treat these situations

[@shamstam]

It really is. It doesn't matter even if you did flirt with them and/or make the first move and approach them - you were a child. It is the responsibility of the adult to reject you. It does not MATTER what you did because you were a CHILD

[@solcito2222]

When i was still a kid, ive had adults make very sexual comments about me. I know what you feel like. I didnt even know that i had the right to feel grossed out :/

[@hajarmdn4883]

I have the same experience. And to this day, my mom still tells me I’m a slut for it. Thankfully nothing physical happened. But the fact that my parents punished me and still remind me of it when I was 17 and he was 26, And they didn’t even confront him hurts so much.

[@enimagus8281]

I dated a 33-yo when I was 19, and I thought he wanted to get married and have more of a life with me. I was so immature and inexperienced. I couldn’t imagine dating a 25-year old now that I’m 33. It’s disappointing that men are capable of shielding themselves from age gap scrutiny, as if it’s normal for them to date youthful women.

[@KymLikesGames]

I am so sorry you experienced this. I can understand and relate to how confusing and painful it is to be blamed for harassment or assault, especially when you're that young. I had a similar experience to what you described. I was 17 and dating a 24 year old, but then when I told him to stop touching me and he didn't, and I slapped him, he left angry, and when I was asked what happened, I was told "well that's why you don't tease men". . .

[@hrisafenio]

im 22 and yesterday a bunch of 18 year olds randomly sat at our table at the bowling alley to talk to us for a while. it literally felt like talking to children. a 25 year old has NOTHING in common with a 17 year old

[@issafraud419]

Big shoutout to D’Angelo!!! Been waiting for Cody finally get some backlash for this. Tana been talking about this for years and i was really expecting him to literally ignore it forever

[@sidneylowery1543]

Well, we're still awaiting his response 😂

[@layton6202]

@@sidneylowery1543keep waiting baby

[@SammahSaysHi]

It really is very nice to see men actually speaking out for this woman who has been begging for her story to be heard for years. It's really lovely

[@issafraud419]

@@sidneylowery1543 true, but this type of response from other creators was just not happening before. And tbh, i don’t believe most of them that said d’angelos video was the first they’re hearing about it.

[@wysteria.]

​@@issafraud419 personally, i think its very unlikely that cody's collaborators didn't know (e.g brittany broski), but even d'angelo himself stated in the video that he didn't know until recently because cody had been going hard on censoring this topic whenever it came up. i believe creators like jarvis who were never in cody's circle to begin with when they say they've only found out recently

[@loneleeone9122]

instead of responding, cody is dj'ing in vegas filming content. as a former fan of his, i am completely disgusted by his gross incompetence

[@fatphokingloser]

He didn’t have a ring while he dj’ed, not sure if he does that when he djs or what

[@margot9349]

did you see the clip of him playing sorry by justin bieber

[@loneleeone9122]

@@margot9349 oh god no i haven't but i'm sure it's as bad as it sounds

[@riley2243]

@@margot9349i watched that a couple hours ago with my jaw completely open in disgust. i’ve never been a fan of cody (maybe only watched a video or two years ago) but that video somehow made me feel like a massive fan fully ostracizing him from my life

[@MrSomnix]

Cody is being accused of rape. This isn't KZbinr drama, he's not gonna respond with a video possibly incriminating himself. He will either never address this or respond with a defamation lawsuit.

[@dangerbirb4981]

Speaking about tone, it's really hard for a victim to choose to sound like a victim. Tana sounds detached and "confident" probably because she wants to distance herself, at least emotionally, from what happened and she's already anticipating the backlash she's getting for it. It's hard to be vulnerable when bad stuff happens to you and even more so when you're expecting criticism for your part. That said, you guys are really great for supporting her. Everyone needs to speak up about this.

[@mammoneymelon]

tana herself said that it wasn't traumatic to her because comparatively, she'd been through worse. it's really frustrating seeing people insist on victims telling their stories a certain way as if different people don't have different behaviors based off their other life experiences

[@reneew8181]

Exactly. As if survivors aren't already policed enough (what they were wearing, if they were inebriated, etc), they also get criticized for how they choose to speak about their experience, down to their tone of voice "not sounding like a victim". It's just so infuriating. I hope everyone whose first instinct was to poke holes in Tana's story, or bring up some unrelated bad/crazy shit she has a reputation for to take attention away from Cody, are able to look inward and ask themselves why that is.

[@MakaylaWilliams-y3c]

No reason even to bring it up to begin with

[@beamshark]

???? ​@@MakaylaWilliams-y3c

[@beamshark]

​@@MakaylaWilliams-y3cyou're literally replying under every comment saying that 17 year old highschool girls can consent. Go get a life

[@Anasyub]

i dont think ppl realising, condemning cody doesnt mean they have to love tana or anything. having your opinions on her is separate than facing the truth about this situation. yall are awesome for speaking about this on youtube and not just a singular tweet!

[@Nathi98]

I still do not like Tana all that much but there is no way what Cody did is fundamentally right, because it was a crime

[@BaphometGaming69]

I don't like her in the slightest, but what Cody did was a literal crime. People need to understand, you don't have to like someone to be upset about stuff like this happening to them.

[@CerealXperimentsLain]

Even if he addresses what happened with Tana i doubt he will ever acknowledge the Colby Leachman situation. Its so insanely disturbing that they were frat bros and Cody 1000% knows what he did at the time, it was a whole case at Duke and he basically just got a slap on the wrist. The fact that Cody still has kept him around as his bestie is CRAZY

[@direcircumstances]

It's like Kendrick says: Predators move in flocks. Cody is cool with a guy who commits sex crimes, so it's no wonder that he may have committed sex crimes himself.

[@rosevillari4169]

Wasn’t he also a groomsman at his wedding recently too?

[@Mariabea63]

The fact that he’s remained friends with Colby speaks absolute volumes. You are the company that you keep. I’ve never met a guy that had douchey friends, who wasn’t a douche bag himself. Cody relates to Colby

[@TheNinja94a]

⁠@user-xr7ci8tf3eD’Angelo Wallace made a point that Ja/Jo acknowledged in this video: he is taking the route that only a very guilty person would take. The more I read about his past, the more I personally feel without a doubt that he is fully guilty-at this point, maybe even guiltier. I just found a vine from another comment that features him being “cute” with someone named Evie, who was 17, him, 24. I thought his silence was either cowardice, guilt, or both, but it might be those two and more: if he acknowledges this, he’ll have to acknowledge everything. And he’s scared of what people may find. Speculation aside (because it still _is_ speculation), I’ve decided he’s horrible for continuing to associate with Colby Leachman regardless. Any regular person would instantly expose that person and remove them from their lives. Cody makes him his bestman at his wedding. Very “good, virtuous person” of Cody.

[@emgene3]

I love what he says about how "Innocent until proven guilty" only applies to the legal system and that everyone can decide if they believe a victims story after hearing it, and hes decided to believe her/the story.

[@ND-nr6mx]

Especially since the legal system is constantly letting abusers get away with it.

[@JinStreams]

Yeah, the more important idea is to just trust that people wouldn't lie unless proven otherwise, especially when it comes to things as serious and traumatic as sexual assault

[@youtubehandlesareannoying]

yes, this!! I wish more people had this opinion. innocent until proven guilty is important because the legal system has the power to inflict punishment on tried and charged criminals. but a content creator's fanbase can't legally "punish" a canceled creator except by choosing to stop supporting this creator, which every consumer has a right to do for literally any reason! if you're getting bad vibes from a youtuber you watch, you're allowed to unsubscribe!!!!! you don't have to wait for a legal trial to take place!!!!

[@klaythoring1326]

And it seems to overlook that the reason for that high bar is because of the ramifications of potentially jailing an innocent person. In civil court, it’s a preponderance of evidence, which is a much more measured way to adjudicate truth, without most of that bias in favor of the accused person.

[@emgene3]

@@ND-nr6mx YUP. AND since its America, the statute of limitations has already passed :(((

[@antiichristie]

Discouraging tone policing of her delivery is extremely important. People make a lot of assumptions based on how people communicate their emotions about trauma, and they're extremely off base. If I talk about my stalker, I usually do it while making it into a "jokey" story or tone. I've met many others who do the same. Laughter is a way to - very effectively may I add - cope with your own complex reactions to a situation.

[@plasticjesus444]

this!

[@franmari]

i call the person that stalked me “the creep” to distance from them and no longer claim them, it definitely helps me to laugh at the absurdity, humor can be so healing

[@MissGreenTeaLady]

Same!! Humor can also be a defense mechanism. I know it is for me.

[@DiMagnolia]

Same. Humor has been very healing for me. ❤

[@ilovejellyfish37]

​@@franmariCalling a stalker "the stalker" or "the creep" is an amazing idea. That way you can separate them and the situation from yourself. It's a horrible situation to be in. I'm so glad you're healing ❤️‍🩹

[@Bruh-lb5yf]

him evading this is not only directly harming his wife and mother of his child, but is directing a lot of harassment towards Tana because of her past. So in a way, he gets to ruin his victims life twice. fun.

[@MakaylaWilliams-y3c]

Allegations once again

[@twinarmageddons2857]

@@MakaylaWilliams-y3cokay but there’s a whole witness to it. almost fact at this point

[@MakaylaWilliams-y3c]

@@twinarmageddons2857 So Gabbie watched a crime and said nothing. What a weird thing to admit

[@saturnpandora]

@@MakaylaWilliams-y3c ??? was she supposed to physically jump in there to stop it????? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@saturnpandora]

@@MakaylaWilliams-y3cit was cody's responsibility to not do what he did 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️ who do you think you are

[@wigglemelon8807]

I'm so glad they're speaking out. I know neither of them have worked with Cody, but I think it's important for men to start *openly* and *firmly* calling out other men. Especially if they have a voice/platform with which to do so. It's also SO important to still make a big deal about assault when it comes to the "perfect victim" BS. We all need to make it clear that it's still NOT OKAY to s/a a woman who's disliked, a woman who's slept with more people than what society has decided is acceptable, a woman who dresses a certain way, etc. ALL of us deserve consent.

[@heyhey439]

Perfectly said!

[@wigglemelon8807]

@@heyhey439 thank you! 🙏🏽

[@user-lh8im2vy8e]

Exactly. People aren't obligated to talk about it because they've worked with him, they're obligated to talk about it because ALL of us are obligated to call out the rapists and abusers in our communities when we can do that without putting ourselves in danger.

[@wigglemelon8807]

@@user-lh8im2vy8e YES. And I don't see why so many even see it as an obligation because...why don't you WANT to call people out for rape? Things change when more people stop accepting the alternative.

[@chameleon25]

This this this!!!

[@noelleirina5628]

At this point it truly feels like Cody is going to either try to just ignore the entire situation or casually hide a short apology in a random video, and people will just move on. It's really fucking infuriating.

[@jolp9799]

people think he's avoiding talking about it because he's in the process of becoming a US citizen and this will effect his case

[@Sp33dGames]

Nah, second option will never happen. 1. He says something 2. He never posts again and lives his life offline 3. He returns in a year or so and ignores this and his comments are moderated

[@oakblaze433]

@@jolp9799 That was what I was thinking personally.

[@phoenixgirl70]

He won’t say anything because he’d be admitting to a crime. He’d be open for prosecution. He already saw his buddy deal not with the real law, but Duke University law when his buddy who he promoted for years and was in his wedding party drugged, raped and filmed the crime and when he was done asked his friend if he wanted a turn as the girl lay unconscious. He then showed the video off to most of the fraternity him and Cody were both in. Cody is the Bo Butnham character in the film Promising Young Woman basically. Wonder how many under age fans he may have allegedly slept with at previous conventions like Vid Con in the past?

[@kerri6011]

@@jolp9799is it through marriage with Kelsey that his citizenship is being granted?

[@brilab]

the craziest part of all this to me is tana said this years ago but since people didn’t like her they didn’t care 🤦‍♀️

[@layton6202]

Maybe that has to do with her consistently lying for clout

[@kellywolstenholme8134]

@@layton6202she never lied about anything like this though. She exaggerated stories of her life bc she was a teenager and her first niche was as a story time KZbinr; ALL of them exaggerated

[@layton6202]

@@kellywolstenholme8134 ah yes not lies but exaggerated truths..I think I’ll go with that from now on

[@brilab]

@@layton6202i was never even a fan of her and I believed her about this because I remember how weird their collab videos were

[@wysteria.]

​@@layton6202 so judging from your comment history, your stance is "tana is not to be believed" and also "these guys didn't speak out about this fast enough". by your own logic, you wanted them to speak out about accusations _you_ think are false? shut the fuck up fr

[@Sofie_kouv]

The comment sections on insta I’ve seen too much “age of consent should be 14 every where” “these women act like victims but they were prolly happy to do it” “I hate tana even more now” “tanas fault” “why does everyone want Cody to take accountability tana should too” like what in the world !!!! Hardrives need to be checked.

[@Xiaobird]

that’s pretty in tune for insta comments sadly 😕

[@Fishysfishfish]

FOURTEEN? That’s literally a middle schooler omg-

[@themonsterman3327]

instagram comments moment

[@H3_Chill]

"Algorithmically, we are connected." Loooooved that you acknowledged this! I am shocked you haven't worked with him and clicked thinking you had. Glad you recognized this aspect of content creation and your responsibility on the platform. 🙌🙌🙌

[@braydentaylor303]

One of the things that rubbed me the wrong way was that so many KZbinrs (including commentary) were so quick to condemn and speak about Colleen as soon as it happened (rightfully so). But in this situation, it was radio silence for so long from all of those same people. I just personally believe that they should hold that same energy with everyone. Edit: I know that back in 2020, Adams story was discredited by Colleen’s minions. I’m an avid watcher of Adam’s videos, so I was there to experience that. I’m referring to when it became “trendy” to cancel Colleen pre-ukulele video. Tana brought this to light years ago and it was swept under the rug just like with Colleen. However, now, bigger creators (the same ones that jumped on the Colleen cancel train) are seemingly turning a blind eye, whereas they didn’t with Colleen last year. Hope that clarifies!

[@morphobutterfly9]

I think the response to Colleen Ballenger was almost entirely because she drew extra attention to it through that really cringey and mockable apology that was like free real estate for content creators. If she stayed silent like Cody is doing I doubt it would have gotten a fraction as much of the attention it has.

[@ajakakakak]

I think bc Cody has been doing everything in his power to keep this under wraps and not draw attention to it while Colleen posted a video of her playing the ukulele and saying she’s not a groomer just a loser

[@synnamon6076]

@@morphobutterfly9 nope, even before the actual apology people covered the stuff she did (which is a good thing) and it went viral thus forcing her to make an apology in the first place. Those people didn’t/aren’t doing the same with Cody and it’s embarrassingly apparent

[@braydentaylor303]

@@morphobutterfly9 You’re definitely right about her ukulele video being a massive push for more people to speak about the situation, but even before she responded, there was a lot of coverage on it, urging for her to speak out. I remember there being articles covering it before she released a response. I watched KZbinrs that were regularly making videos about it as well. I think it was heavily being pushed, but that her response did push it even further

[@morphobutterfly9]

@@synnamon6076 it went viral, but not nearly as viral as it went after she made that video. The Cody situation is relatively hot rn too. I don't think it'd have had the same reach at all without her response

[@om431]

as a male survivor, it's really nice you guys covered this ❤️❤️ thank you for reaffirming that you guys support victims and don't want to work with someone like cody

[@annecorrie_]

I hope your days continue to get brighter and brighter. Proud of you

[@gauner1312]

I'm sorry that happened to you. wish you great strength for the future 🩷

[@morganqorishchi8181]

As a fellow male survivor, in case no one has told you today: it's not your fault, you deserved better, and your life is precious. I wish nothing but the best for you moving forward.

[@kaiya7476]

One thing that I think makes it clear that Tana is telling the truth is because she didn’t go on a cancel campaign against Cody. I think that people who say she is lying should think about that. She is really only talking about the situation in the context of talking about something traumatic that happened to her.

[@gaygengar]

really weird for you to police the way that people go about talking about their abuser. even if someone went on a "cancel campaign" against the person who literally r*ped them, that says absolutely nothing about whether or not they are telling the truth. angry victims are still victims.

[@rrosie.posiie]

That’s a good point

[@RestlessChildcz]

She literally said she wished she didn't say anything on that live tour. None of this is out because Tana wanted it out. It's out because someone published a recording from a live show against Tana's wishes (Cancelled Live is not to be recorded). That's context that Sad Boyz and frankly Diangelo just decided to ignore and it's so frustrating.

[@jpww1814]

Woah, so because she didn't say it in a way you could consume it, she is based facs no cap

[@margaesperanza]

Today Cody Ko is happily doing a big DJ gig in Las Vegas. Seeing the video solidifies that he will never address this and will never suffer from this.

[@scarlett6143]

in my mind he was locked in a room in the dark scrolling through comments and feeling horrible, trying to figure something out, wether to apologize or to get away with it. to hear he's just out there in public and even able to act like nothings going on is really crazy. like i know how he can just carry on with his life like nothing is happening but... how the hell can he carry on with his life like nothing is happening

[@Kukurom]

@@scarlett6143my exact thought too 😂 I expected him to be in his room, crying with his wife, not knowing what to do but…. Clearly he doesn’t care. It makes me dislike him even more.

[@littlejoe970]

@@KukuromI hate how much I loved his podcast with Noel:////// will never support him again

[@jamsssssss]

it’s giving major colleen ballinger vibes

[@alexisd6106]

He will absolutely suffer from this. He’s lost 150k subscribers, he’s gonna lose money, his wife might’ve not known about this and give him hell for this, tons of friends and family and KZbinrs he respects will give him shit for this and turn from him, when his kid grows up they will google their dad and see that their father is a fucking creep. He will absolutely suffer. Just maybe not the appropriate amount. But oh man, I can’t IMAGINE what it’s like to get a thousands dings on your phone a minute from fans, enemies, friends and family all talking about you fucking a kid. I can’t imagine big KZbinrs and people you respect making 20, 30, 80 minute videos about you hating on you when they were once inspiration for your own videos. I can’t imagine the child I assaulted making a video as an adult calling me out and saying I had a tiny dick. How embarrassing. He will suffer. Don’t worry.

[@FirstNameLastName-gz1sw]

Glad the commentary community is finally talking about this

[@LisaHarvey16]

Sometimes it takes time to come to light. I research a lot for videos but you can't know every channel that's impossible. Not an excuse just a sad fact.

[@Sevse-nh3fi]

@@FirstNameLastName-gz1sw a bit ironic isnt it

[@TylerG13]

They didn’t say shit about this until D’Angelo forced them to and this video is being uploaded to a side channel instead of his main. He doesn’t want this to get that many views. He wants it somewhat suppressed.

[@banquetoftheleviathan1404]

What about the nail gaiman thing. I don't trust the side that seems to be covering it but nobody in bread tube is talking about it.

[@tessaelto1472]

⁠@@TylerG13Jarvis has never worked with Cody in any sense of the word. He uploaded a video of him and his cohost talking about it CANDIDLY, instead of putting together a SCRIPTED video on his main channel to get a bunch of views and money. He's always talked about more serious things on his podcast rather than making a funny silly video about it. You're ridiculous.

[@Deemo202]

I was so confused for a second because I immediately went to check and see if a new episode was up and it wasn’t. It’s cool that you separated the two things though.

[@samgrace_]

i know you said you don’t expect a pat on the back but I really do want to thank you guys for talking about this. I was sexually assaulted and blackmailed with my own photos at 17 years old, by someone my same age who went to my school. When I reported it to my school authorities/ school police officer they quite literally turned the blame onto me and threatened that i would get into trouble if I reported it to the actual police and he had 0 consequences. The next year or so I had horrible diagnosed PTSD from that. I still struggle sometimes. Hearing and seeing people defending Cody or making excuses as to why to not believe Tana is heartbreaking and I can’t imagine what that would’ve done to 17 year old me. I’m 21 years old now and a lot more healed. If anyone reading this has been hurt, I promise it gets better and karma will get to whoever hurt you, and you are not tainted or impure, you are still you. And thank you Jarvis and Jordan again for everything you always do. I look up to yall a lot. -edit: also being 21 now, thinking of even being with an 18 or 17 year old romantically or whatever disgusts me, I see them as kids!! Literally so gross of him.

[@saturnpandora]

sorry to hear what happened to you! 💔 the system continuously fails us!

[@montetheartist]

I'm so glad you mentioned Amanda Todhunter. Her's was the first and most thorough video, besides D'Angelo, I saw to cover this issue without hesitation and she deserves immense credit.

[@_rat_5758]

“Listen to victims even if you don’t like them” AMEN. PREACH

[@beefcube2414]

I've seen people dogpiling female creators who don't moderate their comments because they've been seen being friendly with Cody in the past. It's honestly bizarre watching people trying to get justice for misogyny and SA while accidentally being misogynistic themselves.

[@perpetualsick]

It’s weird to dogpile people in general over this unless they have been actively friends with Cody, constantly collabing, etc. It’s great to see responses like this one but like… people think these people are besties bc they talk about each other once, you know?

[@dr.latency34]

I just came from a Brittany Broski video and its so weird how everyone is demanding a video talking about it?...its actually insane

[@littleflick]

Also people should consider with the rates of sexual assault and abuse it’s likely some of these female creators they are piling on have been victimised themselves and find it hard to talk about these topics.

[@bishielurfer]

I think people are also assuming everyone has heard about and was aware of these things before this. I've seen several comments on various platforms about "how could anyone not know Tana's been saying it for years." I know nothing of cody ko, and all I know about tana is the scandals she was involved in that were big enough to be discussed by other creators. Same with gabbi hanna. I think people underestimate how easily someone may have never come across this information.

[@xythrial]

Because they don’t actually care about misogyny. It’s a dogpile and they have fun following whatever trend is happening

[@lizethfloress]

as a SA survivor, i appreciate you guys using your platform to speak out on the matter and for donating the profits to RAINN. thank you for speaking about this in a very respectful manner.

[@InternetsPedestrian]

Hey Boyz, thank you for acknowledging the situation and talking about it. Everyone can say they have morals and call for accountability in the community but you've shown that you two will speak up and not stay silent on these issues I'm very glad to be part of this community.

[@layton6202]

They literally were silent on this issue and would of stayed silent if that boy didn’t make a video calling out creators like this who call everyone out yet stay silent when it comes to someone from their neck of the woods….every big commentary you see talking about this after deangelos video felt called out

[@swiigy1393]

@@layton6202they had no clue about the allegations until deangelo’s video so how exactly did you plan for them to call out cody on a situation they didn’t even know existed??

[@layton6202]

@@swiigy1393 that didn’t even existed?…it was going around tweeter instagram and Tik tok for the past two months not to mention other channels talking about it…I don’t even watch either Tana or Cody and I’ve seen it but you’re telling me these two boys who’s entire job is basically talking about current internet events and dramas haven’t heard of this?

[@marceline3771]

@@layton6202 I spend a ton of time on the internet & I hadn't heard about this entire situation until a few days ago. The internet is a way broader pool than you might imagine.

[@AnthemTD]

@@layton6202 their job isn't "talking about current internet events and dramas", they talk about things that interest them. I use instagram and youtube every day and have for over a decade, I only know Tana from a couple videos covering Tanacon, neve heard anything about her or saw anything else otherwise. Your experience online is unique to you, don't go assuming that everyone knew exactly what you did exactly when you did. D'Angelo's video blew the lid off of this situation, no one feels called out. Stop spreading nonsense

[@tajcee]

Jordan’s hit and run analogy was dead on, and I was literally thinking the same thing as he said it. Cody still needs to answer for this and be held accountable for it.

[@Jadeelmao]

Cody’s silence IS his statement. That’s his response.

[@gntletulip]

i’m literally twenty now and i would never even dream of being with a 17 year old . there’s nothing i have in common with a 17 year old .

[@sarchiba]

And he was 25!!! She would have been 10 YEARS OLD when he even became an adult. Even if the age was closer, it's literally so easy to NOT hook up with a minor

[@samb3209]

As a survivor, it really means a lot that you guys covered this ❤️

[@ELHersh431]

Hope you’re doing better!! I hope you know how much you’re cared for!

[@Vexlich]

Much love from one to another ❤ best wishes healing, hope you’re doing well despite any trauma from it

[@LisaHarvey16]

I hope you are not to triggered by this. Take care of yourself.

[@emgene3]

❤

[@layton6202]

They only covered it cuz they felt called out

[@Winsancru]

Lots of ppl talking about “no one talked about this until D’Angelo! Everyone was quiet before that!” When in reality the majority of ppl did. Not. Know about the situation until D’Angelo’s video. “We do the best we can, then we know more, we know better. Once we know better, we do better.” - Maya Angelou.

[@coricognitions]

Ya it kinda rubs me the wrong way when people pretend the information wasn't fully out there and available publicly before D'angelo. I knew about it for *weeks*

[@um2913]

👏👏👏👏

[@cooliostarstache5474]

​@@coricognitions Good for you, that doesn't change the fact that most people, including commentary channels, had np idea this was happening until D'Angelo's video

[@Winsancru]

@@coricognitions the point of my comment is that though the information was out there, the majority of people did not know about it. People who follow Tana or her friends would know, and though she has a large platform, I don’t know a single person online or irl who is part of that following. This is the case for many people bc there just isn’t a lot of crossover from Tana’s content to commentary content. Even though the videos of them interacting were out there, the majority of people were unaware they even knew each other. My point is that the majority of people were not “pretending the information wasn’t fully out there…”, they were unaware of the information. And that’s not their fault, thus the Maya Angelou quote.

[@jolp9799]

@@cooliostarstache5474 no apparently many of the commentary channels and other youtubers knew. Tana said many came up to her trying to protect him

[@stopstalkingmegoogl]

Men who actively articulate that they disagree with the toxic masculinity urge to destroy and obfuscate bad behaviour is commendable, and I'm grateful this conversation even exists. The onus shouldn't be solely on female creators to address this, male voices are necessary to call out other men.

[@arrlecchino]

I appreciate you guys speaking on this. It's really nice to see you acknowledge the victims and donate towards foundations for helping them. Thank you.

[@potassium99chloride]

As an SA survivor, I am so grateful to see men like you guys lifting up these voices and believing victims. Especially highlighting that just because you don’t like the person doesn’t mean they get to be denied or mocked. Thank you so much for making this video and supporting us all 🖤

[@layton6202]

They only did it cuz they felt pressured to

[@kinsey7894]

Sorry you went through that, hope you’re doing better now❤❤❤

[@okamiammy08]

​@layton6202 regardless if they did feel pressured they did do a good thing. Sorry you can't do the right thing even if people are calling you out to do so.

[@cooliostarstache5474]

You don't think these two also have skeletons in their closet?

[@Xonatirose]

@@cooliostarstache5474 their skeletons probably aren’t sleeping with minors

[@WalkmanWillWalkAllOverYou]

I heard rumblings about the Allegations shortly before D'Angelo's Video. Cody's Silence towards this is telling.

[@christianjalexander]

Same, I happened to come across stuff on Reddit maybe 3 weeks ago and immediately unsubscribed everywhere. But it was weird to see the conversation pick up so substantially not long afterwards.

[@flyingsnail_art9170]

Same, I heard about it through Rachel Oates who had problems posting her video on the situation

[@christianjalexander]

@@flyingsnail_art9170 I watch her stuff on and off, so I didn't actually see it until after DeAngelo's video, but yeah, she was on the ball.

[@sydneyprather8668]

I heard about it on TikTok a month ago when the clip from the Canceled tour initially blew up. This has been brewing for a loooong time, it just goes to show how effective Cody’s silencing tactics were

[@xg2513]

Jake Doolittle made a video in June

[@froggiecat15]

when i was SA i was also abusing pills and alcohol at the time, as someone who watched tana for a while now. she was also heavily suffering with addiction at this time. it SUCKS becuz you convince yourself you deserved it for living that “risky” lifestyle and people already don’t believe woman let alone take the word of an addict, now that I am three years sober i can now reflect on it and think otherwise but it took YEARS for me not to feel guilty for a crime that i was the victim in.

[@scarlett6143]

congrats on being sober! glad youre doing a lot better

[@froggiecat15]

@@scarlett6143 thank you 💖

[@igby2616]

i feel you. congrats on 3 years friend ❤

[@abigailr.9601]

💙💙💙

[@Рэгын]

As someone who survived SA as a child and is still struggling with the consequences of trauma, thank you so much. The discourse around this gets honestly very painful, and seeing this has helped me feel at least a little better.

[@jas__mibee]

people pressure you to respond for simply occupying the same internet commentary space as cody and then call you disingenuous when you do… that must really be a shitty feeling. thanks for speaking up guys, there is a corner of the internet that does genuinely appreciate it.

[@perpetualsick]

it’s generally for the best that people talk about it but i also hate that people are all “it’s soooo weird that (channel not even associated with Cody) hasn’t responded yet…..” like girl what. for some people, sure! for others, no 😅

[@jas__mibee]

@@perpetualsick true.. like if we’re going to direct this energy at anyone it should be someone like kurtis, who uploaded a video today like nothing is happening at all lol

[@KelpieRider]

​@@jas__mibee I definitely agree, I saw he posted and I'm really disappointed I have to say

[@sseraphim2818]

​@@jas__mibeeexactly, no response.

[@jas__mibee]

@@b2n136 kurtis is in a different position from jarvis as he has actively associated with cody in the past. my point is that if we are going to play the pointing fingers game, shouldn’t it be more towards someone like kurtis than jarvis? someone who has been seen in content with him numerous times? him posting a video having nothing to do with the situation feels much more disingenuous than someone who is not associated with him at all actually talking about it. i personally am not for pressuring anyone but the subject of scrutiny for a response, but since the internet is going to do it, we should have a little critical thinking behind who we do it to 🤷‍♀️

[@lilyacheson6261]

"to vote yes on this bill even though we are not in the senate" extended my life 10 years I think

[@jordan-my2vl]

jordan is so well spoken, and i am so relieved that this video was very clear in it's belief, and not 'if' she's telling the truth.

[@meggsntoast]

Like Brittany broski’s ig story 🙄

[@prittee1]

I think it’s important to note that EVEN IF Tana doesn’t feels traumatised by this event it is still illegal. The point is that you cannot consent if you’re under the age of consent. No one’s looking at 11 year olds who have been groomed and assaulted and saying “oh but they say they’re fine”. That’s not how it works.

[@itsmebecky24]

EXACTLY

[@jaqsre]

“we believe victims and we believe tana” is such a needed statement. thank you for speaking up!

[@Briarthefriar]

As someone who did date someone that was 24 when i was 17, I CAN NOT imagine that now. I'm 22 now, and they feel like a baby.

[@CoolGutrun]

Yeah like I'm 24 and like being completely honest I find 21 year olds to be too young and different from me to want anything to do with them, let alone a 17 year old. What on earth would we have in common? I genuinely cannot wrap my head around predatory losers like this like maybe I'm just biased and more empathetic to younger people due to my own bad experiences but I really don't think that's the case?

[@juannaym8488]

I had a big crush on a girl who was 24 when I was 17. When she rejected me, she cited my age, and I didn't get it at the time I am 24 now and booooooooy do I get her now

[@basementdwellercosplay]

I hope this opens the gates for creators who have worked with Cody in the past to call him out which would likely further push him to actually talk about it

[@refillpan]

yeah i can understand more why creators who don’t interact with/aren’t friends with cody might not make a statement, but really his friends and collaborators should be

[@MegaDennisli]

I love the way Jarvis put it when he said that even though he doesn't really know the guy personally, they are strongly linked algorithmically. There are a bunch of people in Danny and Drew's subreddit arguing that they don't need to say anything about it because they aren't that close to Cody. One guy even went so far as to detail every Collab they'd ever done and how long ago just to say 'see? They barely know him!' but that's not the point. The point is that the algorithm links them all together so there's a ton of overlap in their followings, and because of that, they have a lot of leverage to stop Cody from sweeping it under the rug.

[@gutterfly91]

​@MegaDennisli yes exactly!

[@chloe54251]

this is why im largely dissatisfied with brittany broski right now

[@jessicayoung3656]

Waiting on danny and drew tbh but they have collaborated before. But especially kurtis because hes a feminist supposedly

[@celeste7959]

I really appreciate this being y’all’s response. Genuinely very rare to encounter.

[@ejoyce98]

Really respect you guys talking about this!!

[@layton6202]

Why they only did because they were called out

[@AnthemTD]

@@layton6202 get a life

[@clobeth1]

@@layton6202at least it’s being talked about tho

[@jollymastermind1237]

Im glad people are taking it seriously even though Tana mentioned not feeling traumatized by what happened. Lack of trauma does not equal being okay with what happened. I’ve technically been SA’d too but, like Tana, had so much worse things going on at the same time that I wasn’t really traumatized by it. I do feel really embarrassed about what happened but not necessarily traumatized but my lack of trauma doesn’t mean Im okay with what happened to me.

[@jess5691]

yeah same! I experienced SA, but I wasn't left with lasting trauma, just kind of an icky gross feeling about that time period. it was still wrong of the dude who did it though, like just bc the victim doesn't need therapy doesn't mean it was chill

[@AK-rx8gp]

I related so much to her saying that. This situation has made me realise I've been internally downplaying shit that happened to me just because I don't have full on ptsd about it. It's still fucked up though and the way it affects you can be subtle

[@jeezduts]

yes! she even said she didn't find it traumatizing because "so many worse things have happened to her" which says a lot... what happened was still a crime and still wrong, while I'm relieved it wasn't a terribly upsetting thing for her that doesn't change the criminality and wrongness of it. if I hit someone with my car because I ran a red light, and they happened to only have a few scratches and no serious injuries, that wouldn't change my liability for the crime.

[@tunahack101]

I agree, and people need to acknowledge how tragic it is that Tana has had to condition her emotions in this way. People seem to skim over this statement without realizing what a difficult feat it is to compartmentalize your life like that. As someone who has had to do the same since I was kid just to present myself as a well-adjusted person to society, I hope she has people in her personal life who validate that.

[@jasminepandit9861]

wow this is really validating to my own experience, thank you sm for sharing this and i'm sorry that happened to you ❤

[@Vexlich]

This video is really comforting to hear coming from CC's who seemingly practice what they preach both on & off screen, Tana has a huge platform which is certainly an extra factor to her story, I was a victim similar to her as a minor many years ago so this hits close to home seeing all the support

[@layton6202]

What they only did this video cuz they were called out

[@Vexlich]

⁠@@layton62029:02 watch past this timestamp ❤ your opinion of their intentions isn’t my responsibility

[@AnonymousPerson-hw7js]

I hope you have found healing and support ❤ know that you are loved

[@EthanJ1005]

I haven’t seen anyone talk about the other 17 year old he had a thing with at the same time - her name was Evie and they even did a vine together. Dude is a straight up predator and is being protected by the whole commentary community.

[@shamstam]

I'm not necessarily going to attribute malice to what could be attributed to ignorance, but that sucks. I didn't know about this, but if it actually is a pattern Cody had back then ... I'm so disappointed

[@FluteGirl410]

I've seen one video talking about it Asher Extra he went to the subreddit (cody ko) and there was a vine of him and a girl where he kissed her on the cheek ( I don’t want to say her name so I’m going to censor it)

[@Mariabea63]

Yes, he was kissing Evie on the cheek in a vine and it was so obvious they were an item. She had heart eyes for him in the video. I honestly would like to hear her story because she’s gotta know how weird their relationship was all these years later

[@TheNinja94a]

Wow. I know nothing about Cody Ko except I’ve enjoyed some videos with my brother who watches him and Noel. I was going to subscribe before these allegations but I just didn’t remember to. So when I went to look this up I thought it was going to be hard to find and a bit vague if I did find anything, but no, I found exactly the vine you were talking about. Felt downright uncomfortable to watch. And no one talked about this at the time? I hope it was ignorance.

[@dengar96]

Most commentary channels i see are making videos just like this one though. Not a lot of folks are lying under the bus with Cody here

[@sophiaiskeepinittogether]

This is why you have the audience that you do! We feel safe with you!! Victims feel seen and women feel safe. You’ve built a beautiful community and I appreciate you speaking on this and making space for the conversation

[@skullptures6192]

I had no idea who Cody Ko was before this week. Thank you for talking about this, you two are some of the most level-headed, respectful KZbinrs on the platform. I'm glad to get information from you two

[@LisaHarvey16]

I didn't know who either of them were until this all blew up.

[@quarzita]

I also didn't knew who he was

[@VinegarPotato]

Years and years ago they made a video in the general Style of the rest of their old ones and it was just so off that I unsigned and never looked back. Never heard anything good about them since.

[@layton6202]

They’re come of as nice guys

[@Zqzmhrs223]

As a woman and a sexual assault survivor, I want to say thank you. Men hold so much more power than they realize and using your platform, no matter how many followers, is very impactful. The more men/boys that start to have these conversations or who shut down victim shaming when it occurs, the more that other men/boys become aware of how they view and speak about women and assault. I think truly the biggest impact about this kind of stuff comes when men hold their friends and/or coworkers/acquantices accountable for their actions and words when it comes to women. Thank you for handling this with care and humility and for donating proceeds.

[@catherinewilhelm809]

Very well said!

[@katiefelix110]

the effort you two put into your phrasing and precise word choice is so comforting and relatable. the effort to do good is always there with you, thanks :)

[@tluvsbeauty1]

I’m a women. I’m an SA victim. I’ve been a terminally online KZbin fan of everyone on this app since I was like 12 lol. This was a much appreciated video. Empathy like you’ve demonstrated is always a plus for the world

[@courtneycalvert185]

THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING AMANDA TODHUNTER!!! She came out with her video BEFORE D’ANGELO! I watched her video about the controversy and then it suddenly blew up and everyone has been talking about his video as the source?? Not to say that D’Angelo doesn’t deserve credit, it just makes me frustrated that Amanda has been overshadowed because she’s not as big as D’Angelo. She’s a queen and a great KZbinr

[@girlypoppins]

Really appreciate you guys bringing up what message other victims might receive when they see the treatment of Tana. The pressure of presenting as a “perfect” victim can be so demoralizing and scary and it’s really important to demonstrate that everyone has a right to be taken seriously

[@Squidditch]

Such a great point so many people criticise the victim before anything else (congratulations a great album)

[@marspi6772]

Love your pfp

[@morganqorishchi8181]

My mom is a pediatric forensic psychologist. She has had to testify in court many times and try to convince judges and juries that it doesn't matter how imperfect the victim is, some things are just inherently wrong. It's disgusting how quick people are to go, "idk, sounds like the 'victim' was jerk" as if that has any relevance whatsoever to the actual morality of what happened. We're a sick society.

[@gyozagumball]

As a victim, I do want to touch on the part where you guys talked about the tone of Tana speaking on her experience. I relate to her because when I talked to people about my experience in the past, I didn’t know how much it actually impact me. I would put it “lightly” or in a “joking” tone kinda like Tana since I didn’t really know how to speak on it with people and never had the mental capacity to process my trauma. So those people who brought her in a negative manner saying “but she’s speaking on it so confidently” are ones who really don’t know/care what they’re talking about. It’s so dismissive and it’s not the point to make.

[@starlight8554]

Honestly D’Angelo has so much respect from me. If it wasn’t for his video this conversation wouldn’t even be taking place. He has a lot of integrity and I really appreciate him opening the floodgates, so to speak.

[@morganqorishchi8181]

D'Angelo has always prioritized and respected victims of SA, to the point of, even when he's covering a truly heinous person, pointing out that no one deserves SA and blocking people in his comments who say otherwise. I respect that so much. Believing people and lifting up victims no matter how imperfect is something he's done since he was a tiny channel with 2k followers and he hasn't changed at all as he's gotten bigger.

[@jameisname6177]

I am so so happy to hear someone else mention Amanda Toddhunter! I found out about this stuff through her, and I was absolutely shocked and disgusted as I’ve followed him for years. I was subscribed to all of his channels, I followed the podcasts, I listened to the TMG music, I even considered buying the merch. He was my comfort channel for years, and this has been so unbelievable and disheartening. I stand with Tana, I hope he addresses this but I doubt he will, and I’m incredibly disappointed in the community response from certain people.

[@Gothicrift]

As someone who when I go to my therapy sessions and laugh hysterically when I talk about my trauma, sarcastic remarks and jokes are in there too- I can tell when someone clearly doesn’t understand trauma response. If you don’t laugh, you cry. And to protect your brain from further trauma you have to kinda lighten it for yourself when explaining it. I hope more people learn from this situation how victims react and work through situations like this. And thank you guys for talking about this situation. Appreciate you. ❤

[@godzdead]

same🤝

[@emilygierlich335]

Absolutely same. I'm a DA/emotional abuse victim and have mental illness. I wish someone would make a standup comedy special dedicated to dark humor on all of this. I would love more chances to laugh about it. I certainly am tired of crying about it.

[@tessatea333]

i loved hearing that y'all are donating the proceeds from this video to RAINN. this whole discussion i really appreciated, especially as a survivor. my friend likes your channel and i can see why. thank you for your honesty, i subscribed too.

[@MaiKayxo]

I would definitely consider myself one of the quiet watchers who wouldn't ask but would wonder. Thank you for speaking out, guys. Speaking for myself as a victim of SA, it is healing to see men holding other men accountable. Thank you so much

[@clowncores]

Not 2 be parasocial but I’m very grateful you guys made this video especially since you were not ‘obligated’ to as someone who isn’t your friend nor have you ever worked with him. You very easily could’ve gotten away with not making a video on it especially considering how heavy the topic is, but you did anyways and so eloquently from how far I am into the video. Thanks for making an effort to uphold trust and transparency between you and your audience ❤️

[@hamilcross]

it really is so appreciated.

[@layton6202]

They felt pressured to do it…it’s the only reason they did

[@gauner1312]

It definitely creates a safe space for us survivors which I am very thankful

[@AnthemTD]

@@layton6202 you're literally just going around being toxic in these comments. you're so ignorant and have no idea what you're talking about

[@whoyoufightin1442]

@layton6202 with how many replies you're making saying the same thing over and over it seems like you might just be the one who "feels called out"... Make your own separate comment and especially stop trying to take focus away from people sharing their experiences. Regardless of what people may or may not feel, this kind of behavior being addressed as unacceptable by public facing folks is necessary for us to move forward as a society. It is good that it is being called out, no matter what

[@godxspit]

i’m bawling at how sensitive and nuanced this conversation is. thank you for believing victims and supporting women. it means the world to your female audience i promise.

[@BasixStudios]

dead ass sobbed through this video, had to take a break and gone back. it absolutely breaks my heart to think of 17 year old tana, she deserved so much better. so many creepy men prayed on her and i’m so proud of her for coming out with her truth. thank you for being genuinely good men, it’s hard out here and i wish it wasnt. i genuinely can’t fully express how emotional this situation has made me and i appreciate you both speaking out. as y’all said you don’t know cody personally but you guys are in the same youtube space. i appreciate y’all for recognizing that association and using your platform to support victims.

[@leslieknope3394]

Thank you for donating, this made me emotional. Thank you again for speaking on this. I was freshly 18 and he was 27. It was “legal” but I was still in high school. I didn’t realize until I turned 27 how much it affected me and I felt so disgusted and had to deal with the emotions and still do. Tana recently turned the age of her abuser and I’m sure that was eye opening for her as well

[@iamthegooplab]

Watching the view count jump on this as I watch my two fave boys advocate for SA survivors. Thank you. It’s people like you who make it easier to come forward. ❤️

[@109digitsofpi]

I cannot stress enough how important it is to see men calling this stuff out. Thank you so much for using your voices and platforms for this.