The Commander Format Definitely Didn't Need This | Commander Masters Spoilers

[@origaminosferatu3357]

Personally, I think the biggest problem with this commander is the flavour. It makes a given tribe waaaay better by actually diluting your commitment to that tribe.

[@glimmer8965]

i think its very on point, shes a scientist who tinkers with different species and encourages you to try out different tribals and experiment with them

[@joekline5554]

Dino dragons

[@thricewise1254]

You don't understand the card. You're supposed to choose slivers, implying that every other creature becomes a Sliver. The flavour is that no matter what you are, eventualy slivers will overtake the species and turn all other creatures into slivers. Very on point for slivers

[@wchenful]

This is one of the weaker sliver commanders. It may sound good but as a sliver enabler, it's a WUBRG cost just to enable another card, doing nothing by itself and I think the low play rates are fairly indicative of that.

[@rraunso]

​@@wchenfulso true. Am making a sliver deck,and ended up cutting her rather early. She doesn't help the speed of a sliver deck. Only thing could be towards helping the graveyard back, but other cards are better there.

[@derkaiser4677]

STEP 1 : Put a realmbreaker and a world tree in your deck . STEP 2 : Put all your creatures on the battlefield STEP 3 : ??????? Step 4 : PROFIT

[@soulxcvzc1561]

that one white player: so uhh yeah I cast containment priest

[@shade0mirth]

The world tree works, too.

[@juice17776]

i think you’d have better luck with Door to Nothingness than that. 3 WUBRGs or 18 mana seems like a lot of mana.

[@Oxygen1004]

​​@@juice17776oor only kills 1 player, realm breaker or World tree put as many creatures as you want so it can easily become an OTK for all 3 with how many ways slivers can buff their power

[@juice17776]

@@Oxygen1004 Door + rings of brighthearth + lithoform engine or any activated ability copies would kill everyone. Obviously neither a very good, but silly if you are able to

[@normative]

One fun way to build this might be to pick some of the best tribal effects from tons of different tribes along with a bunch of blink effects, so depending on what you draw & what the situation demands, you’re constantly switching what tribe all your creatures are to change the abilities they all get. In other words, you’d be radically changing the nature of your board from turn to turn (or even within a turn).

[@niick2973]

I did a build like that and it's really fun. only threw in a few slivers for utility. hibernation sliver to blink, misinform sliver to change creature types, quick sliver to flash in my ally's ( lots of tribal ebt cards for the blink theme) scuttling sliver to untap, gemhide and manaweft for ramp, threw in intruder alarm, aluren, sneak attack and roaming throne to get whacky.

[@atlasrises4]

Basically every suggestion for this deck that focuses on slivers is almost immediately worse than just playing slivers by themselves. I think there's a reason all the brews people are discussing online know that the sliver inclusion was only for the token it makes to work with the main effect.

[@shade0mirth]

I think this card could be great for adding spice to a sliver deck, but it's basically the weakest option. This might be my new Zirda companion deck. Haven't decided.

[@eeen4570]

I disagree cuz they could have made them shapeshifters in that case. This is just a dumb card

[@atlasrises4]

@@eeen4570 no, cuz that wouldn't work FLAVOR wise. If they went with another legendary, yeah, could've been anything from human to zombie. But the character is related to Slivers. And had it said Shapeshifters? Still would work with nontoken Slivers the exact same.

[@bobross8585]

Yeah she's just going in the 99 as a Sliver generator for me. Everything else just kind of relies too much on drawing into what you need, and if she's removed then it makes your deck immediately go to shit, moreso than most other commander decks.

[@FatstaxMTG]

Rooftop storm for slivers sounds pretty good to me

[@everythingmetal9400]

Two of my favorite things. Storm and Slivers.

[@priestly8164]

Exactly what I was thinking.

[@pwootton24]

Gross

[@noobtuber10]

This card is insane imo absolutely bonkers

[@avalund-goldstein9973]

Xenograft make any tribal lord slivers then use this all your new slivers can also get crazy.

[@wchenful]

The design of this card is great. It opens up so many interesting build paths and diversifies options for the Sliver tribe as well. My issue with your take is that you jump to a lot of value judgments of what the game should be and how archetypes or decks should be built. There's no such thing as "so-and-so tribe has enough goodies" - we commander players want as many options as possible and this card does this in several ways that you did not mention in your video: 1. It works as a slightly adjusted arcane adaptation from the command zone (does not affect most token generators but offsets this slightly by being a synergistic token generator itself) - this lends itself to a variety of changeling / "tribal-tribal" builds. 2. Being WUBRG colour identity, it is an interesting candidate for multicolour tribal with an activated ability subtheme (things like bloom tender / faeburrow elder + creature untappers or Morophon lines) - WUBRG/multicolour tribal itself has a reasonable amount of interesting support and build packages.

[@Smaul002]

5 color players: Having access to all colors allows me to be creative and use janky cards Also 5 color players: Ewww why would I ever play super inefficient cards?

[@pitking8912]

I disagree with this. I have multiple 5 color decks and of the 7 I have only one is optimized. The others are full of jank and cards that people always tell me I should pull out of my deck because there are better cards that are much more efficient.

[@Wyrm7774]

I also disagree with this, I have an ur dragon deck but all the removal and draw spells come from cards that got a dragon on the art

[@WhipLash42o]

@@Wyrm7774 Well tbf, Ur-Dragon does basically everything just through its tribe. You have a dragon for everything just about, and Ur-Dragon himself just wins the game the moment he swings.

[@ryanmorris5923]

You walked right into jank tribe support and scoffed at it. Instead of naming sliver and simply playing all the goodstuff, name sliver and play your preferred jank ass tribe with low support. Now all my Pegusus have sliver abilities. Now all my Horses can gain trample and +9/+9

[@Mr_B_251]

I disagree this is going to be a Sliver commander. It synergizes with Slivers, sure, but really the "nontoken creatures you control" overpowers Sliver tribal for me. I am viewing this as an Arcane Adaptation in the CZ to create a synergy deck run by a small subset of cards (e.g. a deck that wants to use Leaf-Kin Druid can turn all ancillary creatures into Druids, a card like Sygg River Guide could benefit from having a big beater become a merfolk, a Rooftop Storm Zombie deck, among other ideas.) It also enables 5 colors of tribes that struggle to get support outside their "normal" colors, it can turn all the non-tribal creatures into that specific creature type to help keep synergy going (e.g. 5 color Yuriko support)

[@metalplaysgames]

the sliver text is a misdirection, its a 5 color combo arcane adaption jank commander, also Urtet is the perfect evolving door commander

[@Vesdus]

Yeah dude. You're so right.

[@leoleo1035]

2:20 Are you okay buddy? Her effect applies to slivers and NONTOKEN CREATURES you control. So, no, it is not a Sliver-exclusive commander by any means. I think you're just overreacting. Because by that logic we can apply the same deal to zombies, vampires, humans, elfs, goblins. Like Professor always says: Reading the card explains the card.

[@halcyonviews3693]

Hey Demo, I really thought you would like this commander. You really don’t need to put any slivers in it at all. I thought it would be cool to combine two existing tribes zombie/dragons, elf/eldrazi, wizard/fish etc. I think it opens up the door for a lot of cool tribal strategies that have nothing to do with slivers.

[@Vesdus]

I totally agree! When I first saw this commander I thought it would be the coolest thing. I really didn't expect it to get any hate.

[@blkvnm6003]

Put in a didgeridoo put tribes as minotaurs and play any creature from you hand for 3 mana

[@ryanmanning2319]

I think you're focussing too much on Slivers. If you took the text off that said "all slivers" and just left the text that says "all non token creatures," it would still affect all non-token slivers. Basically that first line of text about slivers only matters for sliver tokens. So it really doesn't reward you that much for playing a sliver deck over a non sliver deck. This has some really cool ways you can build it. For example, I imagine that you can make every single creature in the deck have a different creature type. Why does that druid only break sliver decks? It will win with seven storm crows. So play a bunch of payoff creatures then put a bunch of blink or flicker spells in your deck so that you can reset your commander based on what payoff you want active. That sounds really cool, and it has nothing to do with slivers. I think the bigger problem with this deck is that it encourages goodstuff creatures to go along with the payoffs, so I don't disagree with you completely about the power of this commander, but the sliver aspect is a red herring that only matters for sliver tokens.

[@c.r.bledsoe9322]

Combining slivers with ally's would go crazy

[@benjamintrottier2855]

hot damn, that's gonna be brutal

[@gilliusthunderhead2185]

There are few allies that would be interesting, but nothing amazing that slivers can't do on their own or better.

[@andrewamann2821]

I was giving that a thought, and I think there's a better path to take there: golems, but only in a token form. Running a set of Splicers, and the small handful of golem token generators, and type fixers (conspiracy, arcane adaptation, and hivestone), and you have an interesting drop-in that doesn't necessarily take up too many slots in the deck, with the added bonus of having enough slots to hide the sliver subtheme until you can go off...

[@howardjones1388]

Was this the Ally support people have been waiting for?

[@jorir-2569]

I’ve already got a 5 color rally deck. This would help me find the few non ally creatures that I run

[@magiccardmaster9921]

Ah yes because slivers weren't already annoying enough to face now they can just slot in other tribal stuff for other archetypes for free

[@Izelor]

I believe that the best way to play this commander is to fuse tribes. For example, you could play merfolk and choose goblins as the tribe so that you could use all the tribal stuff from the goblins into merfolk. You don't even need to go into 5 colors, just play a 2 or 3 color deck. I believe that elves/zombies would be a broken combination. Imagine having down Rooftop Storm and Noxious Ghoul. Every elf costs 0 and gives -1/-1 to your opponents' creatures. Add Maskwood Nexus as a backup plan and you are ready to go.

[@darrennelson-hall8730]

Totally agree with the comments of too many 5 colour commanders, it’s all people seem to build at our LGS now, as why restrict? I think Wizards may be damaging the format long term by their inclusion. This could have been narrower- eg Temur - and still have been powerful but balanced and interesting but with access to a good percentage of cards. Instead it seems they took the easy option again to sell more decks short term

[@jaredcrawford923]

I think this might be a little bit of an overreaction. Its an interesting card that allows a solved boring tribe to branch out in literally any direction. Sure there will be people who make absolutely disgusting decks with it, but that is no different than any other powerful commander that gets printed. A lot of people will steer clear of it because a decent mana base for a five color deck costs as much as a car, not to mention the precon itself was way overpriced if you didn't preorder.

[@mrpinguimninja]

Tbh, sliver decks can often feel repetitive due to the inherent nature of the tribe, Rukarumel at least gives you an option to take a sliver deck somewhere else, which would be hard, again, due to the inherent nature of a tribal deck and of slivers in particular. Also, sorry but there's no sliver commander that's reasonably affordable (at the very least in the country where i live) so having a couple of options at least makes me able to brew a few different deck ideas. Complaining about backup commanders in a precon also just doesn't make sense.

[@Dragon_Fyre]

I am surprised. I would have thought of all people, this channel would love a new sliver commander that allows so many unique types of builds in all directions. Slivers by their nature, are quite unimaginative decks (as you said, you just add all the best ones and some staples; If anything, there are too many good slivers and you have to make tough decisions on which slivers not to include) so this really opens up the options to take slivers in all new directions. I don’t see it being too OP as a Janky commander like this really stands out as ‘kill it and shutdown what the deck does’.

[@edhdeckbuilding]

i love the unique directions sure. but i also see the potential that makes this commander busted and inevitably a target. it's no different than a korvold, atraxa or muldrotha that enable janky themes but are also super powerful.

[@Dragon_Fyre]

@@edhdeckbuilding … and one more will make a difference ? There are plenty of broken combos if that is all people want to do. I’d put this about on par with Urtet.

[@edhdeckbuilding]

@@Dragon_Fyre make a difference? maybe not. but it sure ain't making things better. at this point all wotc can do is kill the golden goose imo.

[@Dragon_Fyre]

@@edhdeckbuilding Enjoy it while it lasts then :)

[@wchenful]

@@edhdeckbuilding I think you're evaluating this very inaccurately. Korvold and Atraxa are top-tier in terms of power because they provide extremely powerful and immediate effects on resolution (you would expect to draw ~4-5 cards minimum with each). Furthermore, they are also simultaneously very easy combo engines which make you pop off. Muldrotha is quite strong but a tier below as she doesn't have the combo-engine win-con feature built in. Rukamurel on the other hand is practically unplayable at the same poewr level. It's a WUBRG cost which does absolutely nothing on resolution unless you already have some type of board state. It has very low P/T for its cost and its activation requires tapping and the super powerful things it can do (eg. the World Tree) take so much set up and mana that they can't really compare to what already exists in the format.

[@Trufffles]

I disagree with the first notion that this is a Sliver commander. There is no benefit to ever using this card as Sliver commander or playing slivers in the deck. I agree with the idea that we didn't need or want this card though. 5C any tribe tribal commander is silly.

[@chrisgebben2043]

Um this is not fully a sliver commander thats because after the "Slivers you control" it includes "and nontoken creatures" which means not just slivers will gain the type so really this is Arcane Adaptation on a commander. the reason it said slivers was because of the token maker and personally im speculating this for dinosaur tribal because when you look at the creatures with dinosaur lord effects most of the creatures are not dinosaurs. and now this will make them dinosaurs

[@brandyourfan9244]

Demo, I get the reaction. That said, she is actually a cool Jank Tribal commander. Giving Slivers that type enables the tokens she makes to fit into any archetype. Seems like a 5 color commander that can be built an inifinite number of ways. Seems good

[@Phe0nix1986]

Its only non token creatures that become the new type sorry.

[@ryanmanning2319]

@@Phe0nix1986 No, it's all slivers, including tokens, and all non-token, non-sliver creatures.

[@brandyourfan9244]

@@Phe0nix1986 Slivers and nontoken creatures become the new type. She makes Slivers, which work.

[@ilikeapples1]

But unless that tribe already had decent synergies that doesn't really accomplish anything. Like if you made an elk tribal deck around this and every turn you pay 3 mana for a sliver token that's also an elk I guess eventually you'll have a board full of elk but then what? Where's the payoff?

[@brandyourfan9244]

@@ilikeapples1 There is a lot of generic tribal payoffs. (Shared Animosity, Distant Melody, etc) Even if the tribe isn't highly supported, this card can make the tribe more viable.

[@LaRenuille]

7:37 but the slivers could've done that long ago with Maskwood nexus and Xenograft which can easily be tutored with a 5 color deck.

[@TresBS1]

But that's still not the same as having that in command zone and access to it as all times. Plus, those pieces don't benefit from the protection and buffs that Slivers naturally grant each other.

[@danielhavens8819]

Huge overreaction imo. I'm not a personal fan of 5 color or sliver decks personally (in that I probably wouldn't build one for myself) but this seems like far and away the most interesting 5-color sliver option available. All the other ones are just "play all the good slivers and I'll make them better" and there's literally no other direction to take them in. But I can think of several directions you can take this one in (many of which you mentioned yourself): -Name slivers and make other good creatures into slivers -Name another good tribe and have them help out your slivers -Build a generic sliver deck but throw in one or two other really powerful tribal payoffs in -Put lots of tribal payoffs of various tribes in there and wait until you draw one to name a creature type -You could still build around a somewhat janky tribe. Not something like Pegasus's or crabs that have practically no support, but something with moderate support that still might not have enough decent cards to fill out their own deck or don't have their own dedicated commander (oozes, shamans, etc.). Agree that 5C commanders are a bit boring and that there are a lot of sliver commanders already but this one actually seems interesting and can give you a few directions to go in without necessarily being generic good stuff. Tbh this looks like the most well designed 5C commander in quite a while to me.

[@Ещёживойгек]

This is the most Timmy tribal commander ever. It's actually awesome design, even though it's a bit wordy.

[@Vesdus]

It's the best design for a commander card that I have seen in a long time. Love this card.

[@rightmerk4192]

This isnt even a sliver commander imo. Its a tribe leader for literally anything

[@mateocossani8231]

This is THE arcane adaptation commmander that you can flicker in order to have multiples tribal payoffs in the same deck. You can choose zombies and play Gishath off rooftop storm for 0, flicker rukarumel, choose dinosaur and reveal whichever creature you have in the top 7. Sounds extremely fun

[@Vesdus]

I totally agree.

[@peeporiot9948]

I think the problem with this commander is that there's no payoff for the 2nd tribe that you're playing. For example sure you can hit some sick dragon synergy but you'll want to limit the amount of dragons since they don't benefit from slivers. I think it's a cool way to diversify slivers because they have a super linear play style.

[@TriforceChad]

OR, you declare slivers and you can slip in just some absolute units of another tribe and then they DO get the benefits from your slivers

[@Natterforme]

And the best part is that it is flexible. You can chose slivers or the second tribe at will when you cast your commander. So if the situation calls for everything to be slivers you can make the dragons pumped up. But if the situation calls for you to turn your slivers into zombies you can use gravekeepers call to get two of them back from your graveyard with ease.

[@scottricks1676]

maybe im a bit slow....but you would want to name slivers everytime right? so your none "slivers" are now slivers and can tap into the buffs. aka play an elf, its not a sliver elf and can get the boons if im understanding it correctly.

[@joefuller3886]

i read the comanders name as " Sliver grand mother " 😂😂😂

[@toewoe]

You absolutely dont have to play slivers, it says slivers so that it encompasses the tokens she makes, it applies to any nontoken creature. You could make your halflings into humans if you wanted. All this card does is allow all of your nontoken creatures, of any type, and make them cohesive. This card ONLY says slivers so that it counts the token slivers. Which still count for whatever creature type you choose. Read the card carefully. It is not a sliver commander, it just says the word. Yes, most people will make it a sliver deck because they read it like you did. This card will make sliver decks better, but really, its just making all tribals better by letting your general creature board state be a tribe, i wouldnt pick a janky tribe like pegasus, i would take a tribe with support, like human, and boom, my human tribal cards are working on my ghalta. I will be building this commander, but im not going to use slivers, and it will still be a fun deck. This card is scaring people because they think its a sliver commander, read the card, it isnt sliver support, if it didnt say the word sliver people wouldnt care, the word sliver is only there to count token slivers because she makes them, and because its flavorful with the set

[@vovlasc9817]

Well, he said something after that, too.

[@Bstone410]

This is definitely universal Super Tribe imo.

[@toewoe]

@vovlasc9817 what he said after it was that it wouldn't even make janky tribes good, and thats true, because that's not what you want to do. You want to take good creatures and provide them with the anthems, protection etc. that comes with playing an actual tribe with support. I love this channel and his hot takes, but on this one I just think he saw it was 5 colors, only gave a surface level read, and then made a video before thinking about it. Any tribe with support, elves, human, goblins, dinosaurs, wizards, cats, dragons, whatever can now be applied to a motley crew of creatures, or, another tribe that youre also supporting so that you can take advantage of 2 tribes at once

[@vovlasc9817]

@@toewoe Is that not what he said when he mentioned archdruid and esper sentinel?

[@TresBS1]

Oh, it's a Sliver Commander. Yeah, you can go jankey a forcibly weld other tribes together but they'll never get the payoffs that you would get if you use Slivers as the base and foundation.

[@losttoubadour2559]

Goblin tribal just got serious.

[@noise.s]

I see this as anything BUT a sliver commander. Slivers are by far the most synergistic tribe, they are the strongest by default as a tribe. You are not playing this mediocre "sliver" commander to enable 3-5 cards of additional synergy, you are better off with other commanders. I think this is more a synergy of the moment tribal, have the druid guy? name druid, have magda? name dwarf, krenko/muxus? name goblin. Play a few flicker effects and it sounds fun

[@marcoottina654]

flickers? why not also/only "non-legendary clones" like Helm of the Host? :D

[@wchenful]

Silvers are a fairly weak tribe. Their individual effects are all kinda "meh", they ramp up in a very slow and telegraphed manner and have a major weakness to board wipes. Vampires, elves and goblins are far more powerful comparatively, followed by wizards and dragons.

[@brucepollock2271]

This sucks. My small group already has two sliver players. This is only going to encourage more. They may have been trying to encourage variety in sliver decks but I agree, its just slivers with even more trial spice.

[@toastymansabe]

I wouldn't worry, as a sliver player I don't like playing things that aren't slivers

[@awesomechilled9779]

i honestly think this card is the most interesting card in the precon. i can now play two interesting tribes together and see how they play with eachother. How would a dragons approach deck work if instead of a dragon i get to dump a massive demon on the field instead? theres so much room for interesting play here.

[@awesomechilled9779]

Also, to say Ruka is busted is just not true. A 5 cost card just to make your deck work isnt as scary as you might think, even in casual pods.

[@isaabd1334]

@@awesomechilled9779 damn, thats true

[@owenstrawbridge4711]

I think people are being blinded by the word sliver on the card, where really it’s just enabling you to make tokens of the chosen tribe

[@thejdnoland]

I completely agree. Demo was so close to the point at the end of the video and then completely blew past it. I’m sure a lot of people are going to use this to add cards to their sliver deck so they still get the buffs for being slivers, but I would bet an equal share use this to do some really interesting things by combining tribes together. I love your idea of a 5 color Dragons Approach deck that lets you pull interesting creatures that you wouldn’t be able to pull otherwise. I think this is much closer to Morophon as an enabler of cool stuff than something that makes Slivers stronger.

[@mofomiko]

What's so interesting about levitating every Jank tribal into just 5C goodstuff?

[@compking876]

Stop thinking about slivers. This allows you to play rec sage in your vampire tribal, and still have it gain the various lord's benefits. It may as well tap to make changelings.

[@Vesdus]

Exactly! Although I don't think I would ever play this over Edgar Markov. Maybe in Merfolk or Goblins to change the game-plan from 'protect the commander' to something more interesting.

[@brendand3765]

Well it doesn't have to be a sliver commander at all, I see it as Arcane Adaptation the commander

[@brendand3765]

I want to make a zubera deck with it.

[@et2neoh]

Built a modular morophon tribal deck a few weeks ago and I've been trying to look for alternatives that can play well with the system of tribal modules I built for that deck. This honestly fits the bill so well that I think it's genuinely ridiculous. Now I get to play a random tribe each game AND bulk them up with general sliver synergies to make them more cohesive? This honestly sold me on the deck more than any of the new slivers they introduced.

[@corymachlan6177]

I know this video was supposed to say why this commander was not needed or to kind of bag on it but instead this video is one big endorsement to play it over other 5 color commanders.

[@joesmah74]

I love slivers, they were my first deck ever. I can totally agree with you. Sliver didn’t need any more support or another commander. This commander is good and interesting but wasn’t needed.

[@jish55]

Any TRUE sliver player wouldn't say this and instead say we need MORE support (still waiting on Sliver Eldrazi :D)

[@joesmah74]

@@jish55 lol deep down I want to embrace this but I have to be honest and fair with my play group 😂.

[@Dataloss484]

Am I wrong in saying that you CAN easily just not play a single sliver in her deck and just use her token making ability to make (x tribe) creatures?

[@connorhamilton5707]

That is clearly the intended way to play this commander, and arguably stronger as well. It's an Arcane Adaptation in the command zone that discourages using tokens other than the one made with the ability on the commander. Just because slivers are mentioned on the card doesn't make that the best synergy for it. Some examples: Rebels can suddenly pull any appropriate cost creature out of your deck (Mercenaries as well, but they are generally worse due to pulling lower, rather than higher cost creatures). This includes synergistic creatures like Biomancer's Familiar and Zirda, to get more expensive things for cheaper. I will be updating my Zirda Rebels deck to have Rukarumel as the commander because of how powerful this can be. Allies have several effects that care about more allies entering the battlefield, which the token will be. Choosing Zombies lets you cast any creature for free with Rooftop Storm. Dinosaurs have several support creatures that aren't dinosaurs, so you can let them have the buffs your dinosaurs are getting.

[@soarel325]

I agree with you about the 5-color commanders overall, but I don’t see this as nearly as threatening as people think it will be. Did we forget about Arcane Adaptation?

[@supranova7594]

I don't see this commander as problematic as much as I do just ugh. The difference with arcane adaptation, consipiracy, and maskwood was it either forced a color or took a deck slot. this is just in the command zone now and is just a narrower tribal tribal commander which is what changelings were for.

[@ryanfink8011]

I think this card is actually exactly what slivers needed, it's a 5 color sliver commander that's very jank, and a lot weaker than other sliver commanders, so it enables much weaker and much jankier sliver decks, which I think is very nice.

[@ryanfink8011]

Another point, you can name "sliver" as a creature type, then the other creatures will gain all the sliver benefits, because they will then be slivers.

[@noahboes5585]

Nah I think it’ll be fun for the format. The only bad 5 color commanders are the ones that aren’t specific to a play style. So like the rainbow bridge kinda sucks, but this one cool. I think This is the new “lords” tribal commander instead of that changeling lol.

[@shade0mirth]

Agreed. Morophon never truly interested me, aside from an elder tribal deck idea I had years ago. I've got so many ideas for this one already, and I think some of them will actually be fun.

[@jamesward1210]

You’re wrong. Name sliver. Have a bunch of Pegasus in your deck. Now your Pegasus get the benefits of slivers in addition to their own things. This card is awesome.

[@chancex1014]

Personally I don’t view this as a sliver commander whatsoever, I feel like it does nothing for silvers besides make a sliver token. I see this as an arcane adaptation in the command zone that’ll allow you to miss mash tribes together.

[@UncensoredRhett]

You could also name Slivers, now whatever creatures that aren't usually slivers gain all the sliver boosts from your slivers. Crystalline sliver giving shroud to all creatures because they are all now slivers? Sounds fun.

[@davidny212]

Hi how does that work? I name sliver and cast a human. How does the human become a sliver without some other effect?

[@lightbearer313]

@@davidny212 Rukarumel makes them into Slivers.

[@darkphoenix706]

That's just Hivestone with extra steps.

[@Itachi__Uchiha]

Why would you play this as a commander over any of the other 5 color Sliver commanders? This is realy not as strong as people are giving credit. Yes there are strong combos but if your commander gets removed you now have a random tribal card that is buffing nothing.

[@kass_sassafrass]

I’m curious: What would you consider to be the fairest or most “in spirit” WUBRG commander in the format? Or is such a thing even possible?

[@captainrustbeard461]

I would answer my boy Jared Carthalion. It is somewhat powerful but not anyway OP

[@xaxscratchxax926]

I play tiamat and 'new jodah for 5 colors.

[@uphillwalrus5164]

Cromat

[@Hitmonchampion]

I find it absolutely amazing how Slivers are a tribe that has 7 commanders, yet the deck will always play the exact same way every time. All of them being 5 colors is definitely the biggest factor, since they all allow you to play any and all of the best Slivers ever made. If there were Sliver commanders that were 2 color, or even mono colored, then they'd be more interesting because people would be more likely to play some of the less utilized Slivers. Heck, that might even be a somewhat interesting deck idea. Play a 2 color or mono colored Sliver deck. Finding the appropriate commander could be an interesting challenge since there are no Legendary SLivers that aren't less than 5 colors. Maybe a Mono-Green Sliver deck with Yisan the Wanderer Bard, since he could tutor up your Slivers and act as the tool box for the deck, getting the Sliver abilities you need. Or maybe a Golgari Sliver deck with Gyome as the commander. Gyome loves it when you play creatures, and Slivers love to swarm the field with creatures

[@Hazaak.]

they've done that with alesha and Mrykle lord of bones.

[@christophewhit]

Most people will build sliver, but you really don't have to with this commander, the thing I like about it is that there's so many ways to build interesting stuff, wierd interactions and givibg underwhelming tribe some relevance. Now mercenary can tutor for any creatures in the deck.

[@scaredycat3146]

Your examples sound way worse than just running any of the actual good sliver commanders tbh. I think there are quite a few builds for her that are better off not running any slivers at all. The format doesn't "need" any new commander ever again anyway so I don't think that's much of an argument either. They gonna print new stuff and if even a single player builds it and enjoys it and it's not super oppressive, than the format is better with it than without in my opinion.

[@Sixhel]

I wish all the 5 color commanders that were mention were 4 colors instead

[@xaxscratchxax926]

What color would you remove? What's the best color? Worst?

[@theoriginalFRINER]

So tempted to make this deck but make it marine themed so when I playing it I can say there are many perks of being a marine biologist....

[@deathkitty23]

So long as you run Narwhal I'm cool with it.

[@phyrexian_dude4645]

Im personally only interested in the reprints, just because im salivating to see that price crash.

[@chrisbenson6753]

I actually really like the commander. Many of the sliver commanders are prohibitively expensive and it gives slivers a new build direction with “Tribal Tribal” type synergies. I do agree that it didn’t need to be quite so abusable.

[@EnordAreven]

I feel like it should have said to pick two types, and made each of them both types. So you could stitch two together, maybe limit it to less colours... I dunno, this is a weird commander so it's hard to bring it into interesting territory.

[@classymofo1059]

I think you are highly overrating this card. This is so much weaker than getting cascades off of your slivers. You also have to play a bunch of completely useless cards to make it work. Like sure, you can have all these cool knight synergies or whatever, but your commander costs WUBRG. If someone kills your commander, you have a bunch of useless tribal cards that you could draw. Slivers by themselves are plenty powerful enough, they don't need help from a second tribe. This also isn't even a sliver card, both in the sense that it itself doesn't benefit off of your slivers, and the only thing it does is make 1/1 slivers, which the queen is 100x better at. This card is just kind of bad. Really bad. It belongs in the 99 of a tribal tribal deck and that's it.

[@Jtsqueaker]

I'm excited to play 5-color giant tribal for no reason other than it sounds fun. I'd be surprised if I had more than two or three slivers in the 99 because they don't assist with giants in any way.

[@infylos5035]

They would if your giants became slivers some kinda way. ╮( • ~ • )╭

[@owenstrawbridge4711]

I think a lot of people are being blinded by the fact that this card has sliver in the card text. It would be almost intentical if it said “name a creature type, non token creature you control are the chosen type, the same is true for creature cards you own and etc etc” Yes, you can do “Sliver + any tribe”- but really, this commander is saying “combine your two favourite tribes” Imagine filling your deck with mostly elves and adding some of the awesome zombie support as well. You cast the commander, name zombie, and BAMB, you have elf ball reanimator chaos. This isn’t a sliver commander at all. It’s a “two tribe” commander

[@shaylic3795]

My first thought was to have Slivers as the chosen type. Then you play some impactful slivers to support whatever tribe you’re going for.

[@marcoottina654]

7:30 so it's "Slivers get support from another tribe/kindred", rather than "Slivers will help another specific tribe/kindred"

[@nathancadman5033]

Choose rebels and just put whatever in the deck.

[@darkphoenix706]

It's major flavor from a lore perspective though. Go full Riptide Project and combine Slivers and Wizards. Hivestone makes all your Wizards a part of the hive, although using Rukarumel to also make all your Slivers into Sliver Wizards is just funny.

[@jasonferguson9052]

Is this not just a higher cost maskwood nexus in command zone?

[@edhdeckbuilding]

sure, but maskwood nexus in the command zone is busted.

[@peterrowley110]

What's the point of "slivers you control and nontoken creatures you control"? I feel like maybe it's trying to include token slivers but would the nontoken part then void the ability to token slivers? Could it just say "nontoken creatures you control" and cover the same on board creatures?

[@connorhamilton5707]

It's two different conditions that you need to meet at least one of to satisfy the effect. "And" is used to combine the conditions because it's essentially two very similar static abilities in one (Slivers you control are the chosen creature type in addition to their other types and nontoken creatures you control are the chosen creature type in addition to their other types). It's worded like this so that the sliver tokens she creates still benefit from her ability. Other than her token, or the other very rare sliver tokens, she doesn't particularly care about slivers at all and just benefits whatever creatures you already have.

[@prestonmarshall5896]

Honestly building a commander like this excites me. Because you can now build a sliver deck with none of the big giant slivers in it. You could go with any tribe that's low CMC that has good totem effects and make it bananas without having to play other wooberg slivers. You could easily make a $60 sliver deck with this commander

[@malachivonschlegel2016]

I dont know, my first thought was to replace my pirate deck with slivers and call it, "Sliver me Timbers".

[@Gobbledi_Gook]

I dunno, I like it. It provides you a commander that allows you to play weird tribes that might not have many support. You should pick slivers as the tribe every time, even if you’re playing knights, for example, so the knights take on the slivers abilities. Or you could do it the way you mentioned. But it is capable of both, which I think is cool.

[@marcelcoetzee7152]

The problem tribe for this one is going to be rebel. Having a situation where you can search up almost any sliver to the battlefield will probably be the strategy to break them. That tribe is just too much.

[@elladan23]

This is the deck, you make me want to make it.

[@Heros_Shade06]

They r only the type you choose while on the battlefield. When searching you would only be able to get an actual rebel.

[@uhfrank]

@@Heros_Shade06 no, you would be able to get any creature if you name Rebel with her ETB. the last part of her ability states her effect applies to "creature cards you own that aren't on the battlefield."

[@showtelll]

This makes a rebel typal deck absolutely busted. Probably will be the best Tutors in the format.

[@mikebott6940]

I can see an incredibly versatile Silver/Angel deck already.

[@QuicksilverSG]

Even more OP: Choose creature type Changeling, "a characteristic-defining ability that grants the object it’s on every creature type". Now ALL your creatures get boosted by ALL bonuses granted by ALL lords.

[@AlbertJanVaartjes]

Sorry, but you're talking about the keyword, not the creature type, which is actually Shapeshifter ;)

[@uriel7395]

Changeling isn't a creature type, and not all shapeshifters have the changeling ability.

[@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299]

LOL This commander looks hilarious! Makes me think you could make a universal janky tribal deck, good stuff tribal: Sliver Knight? Sliver Wizard? Sliver Warrior? Sliver Cleric? Sliver Rogue (Ninjutsu)? Sliver God? Sliver Elf? Sliver Spirit? Sliver Angel? Sliver Sliver? Sliver Elemental? Etc... :P

[@BooAxe]

The crazy thing is they don't have to even include slivers at all. It just gives all your creatures a secondary type. You could have a Hydra/Goblin deck. Its like Jump Start as a commander. Now some tribes work better together than others but you could have a Dragon/Rat deck if you wanted. Name whatever type you want as your subtheme and go nuts

[@TheSlaughterJoker]

I don't see this card being played as much as the other 5c slivers. Problem I see is that you can turn off all non-sliver buffs/benefits just by removing the commander. I always think slivers are like cancer cells, where you need to remove them all to fully deal with them. Anything left would still be an issue.

[@latioslad1]

Nah man this card kicks ass. There are just so many possibilities.

[@NateFinch]

Yeah, I feel like you missed the "nontoken creatures" part. It just takes a tribal deck and makes the 20% of creatures you want but arent the right type into that type. So yes you can put esper sentinel in your elf deck. This is like only 5% better as a sliver commander because the tokens it makes stay the right type after it dies in that case. But otherwise, it's exactly as good for knights or himans or elves as slivers.

[@discoviolenza1984]

I think the biggest flaw with this card is that it's boring. Most five color commanders fit into this category where it feels like Wotc is just checking off a box.

[@Vesdus]

It's only boring to people that lack imagination.

[@connorl0204]

Im glad im not the only one that had the thought to name sliver with rakumarel

[@tobehonestidontknow9368]

Rakarumel naming sliver + whatever sliver gives replicate + any sliver giving haste + memnite

[@jacksonashby7819]

This is a tribal fusion commander. You take a tribe with cool creatures. Then you can combine it with another tribe with lots of interactions with itself. Examples would be dragons and cat

[@nelsikegaming]

She goes infinite with 3+ hasty slivers that tap for mana and Intruder Alarm + any outlet like Lavabelly

[@ryanmanning2319]

Intruder alarm goes infinite with any token maker creature and those other cards.

[@alanevans5353]

I don't have any issue with 5 color commanders, because I like to make decks around some (like my 5 color Goblin deck with Korona the false god) but I do agree that they've been going way to ham with them in the last few sets. Also this commander will be very strong with Hivestone, because it will make all your tokens slivers, this making them the creature type you chose as well. Since it exists if it's cheap I'll probably pick it up to make a janky "tribal tribal" deck with Hivestone and Helm of the Host as the key cards, and a bunch of Tribal buffs from different tribes mashed together. It's a cool card, but I agree they should have taken it into a color combo of like 3 colors or something instead of WUBRG.

[@johanandersson8252]

Do you think Rukarumel would be better if she was M-🔵

[@mave6602]

Nah For Gilt-leaf Archdruid I wouldn't use that as the head of a Sliver deck but an Elf tribal deck. Blue now allows you to play intruders alarm which is insane with mana dorks like elves who easily make 3+ mana and then tap the commander to make a Sliver Elf, untap every creature and go like that forever. Next combo will be Wirewood Symbiot and BG Elf decks already use that with Conspiracy to go for infinit mana and infinit tap effects of all the different elves. Another reason to name elf even though most creatures are already elves would be Skyshroud Poacher. The worst part about poacher you can get any creature out of your deck which is either one of the off tribe cards (like Wirewood Symbiot, Gilt-Leaf Archdruid, Scarblade Elite, Ohabi Caleria or Greatbow Doyen) or a random good creature that happens to synergies with elves or even worse... Spark Double or one of two Sakashima. You can even get Ratadrabik at that point and sacrifice your commander to change to Druid or Archer. But the clones would allow you to switch or add another tribe too. It is worth noting that the tribes mentioned already are a lot among elves like many elf archers or elf druids arround. Only Sliver I can imagine making the cut for the deck trying to abuse Archdruid would be Hatchery Sliver because the Sliver token exception would let the replicate tokens count for Archdruid and the other way arround naming sliver and then replicate e.g. lanowar elf should be insane. Which is also what I expect from this new sliver commander people just putting random cards in the deck because they synergies with a couple of slivers. Like giving Replicate 0 to Ornithopter. Or using Basal Sliver with Reassambling Skeleton to get infinit trigers of Lavabelly Sliver, Dormant Sliver, Regal Sliver or Harmonic Sliver.

[@STS-qi1qy]

Eh, I get where you're coming from but if anything she's less of an issue than the existing popular five color sliver commanders. Yes it means you can tack on another 'good stuff' tribe or say sliver and include random good creatures. But that's still going to water down the synergy that slivers rely upon. So you'll get new combinations and interesting interactions but less raw stacking power. I think that's a solid trade. Did we 'need' this, no certainly not, but as the backup commander in a sliver deck (and we knew there'd be a backup of some sort) I think she's a solid design.

[@josephotterby9871]

I'm not sure i agree with the take here. This commander does do some unique things, but the idea of "slap a few off-tribe elements into a well supported tribe to gain power" isn't going to be the best bet over using an actual tribe member to be the payoff in your command zone. His Haakon example, (for example) misses that haakon doesn't himself become a sliver if you're using the commander to make your slivers a knight. He therefore misses out on all those sweet, sweet sliver synergies, and really isn't any better off than any number of black enchantments that do similar things, like a phyrexian reclamation, or a tortured existence. Basically, if you really want off-tribe synergies to be slapped into an existing tribe, there's usually off-tribe options already available, and using your commander to unlock those things seems like a lot of extra work over simply putting those options in. I think that the way to build this commander is going to be as follows - You're going to need to start with an on-tribe base with good tribal synergies, (such as elves, or zombies) drop the commander once you have that base set up, and finish with off-tribe finishers. You won't really be able to go the other way around due to the commander's somewhat high mana cost. (i.e. using her to make your kobolds a dragon won't have the same effect as actually dropping a dragon, for example) Whether that's better, more on theme, or more in the spirit of commander is than just going straight tribal is up for debate i guess, but it does enable a couple tribes that don't necessarily have strong synergy bases, or another way to put some interesting stuff in Elfball deck #493.

[@edhdeckbuilding]

i gave a few suggestions for this commander. not all of them. certainly being able to cast your slivers from your graveyard in a sliver deck is really handy.

[@josephotterby9871]

@@edhdeckbuilding I agree that that kind of stuff is indeed really handy, but i find it a little tougher to think that people will gravitate towards going too far outside the sliver box when the box is so good in the first place. People tend to take the path of least resistance, and slivers are pretty straightforward as-is, and i think people doing the amount of build-around needed here to make it shine more than say the hivelord may be few and far between. I do think this commander will shine brighter with certain non-sliver decks though. I saw the "ally" tribe mentioned, and really think this could be a good one there, as most ally creatures REALLY like other allies, but the tribe has neither the commander, nor the ground-level support to really shine. Stuff the deck with 25-30-ish "spell on a stick" creatures to turn into allies, 20-25ish allies to trigger, and the commander to make them mesh? not bad at all IMO.

[@jasonthaler7328]

I really don't think that she is even a good commander. Not original, not very strong... I have a sliver deck... She does not really interest me at all

[@hotstepper3969]

Surely in your example you play pegasus and choose a similar established type like dragon. That way any pegasus you play gets benefits from things like Crucible of Fire or Dragon Tempest

[@edhdeckbuilding]

sure but then you're just playing dragon tribal. why have pegasus at all.

[@hotstepper3969]

@@edhdeckbuilding 1) playing with pegasus or is cooler to the player, 2) you get to combine the abilities of two tribes, 3) having 2-4 mana creatures is faster than ramping to 5-7 mana creatures, 4) they’re cheaper ($$$) than dragons

[@edhdeckbuilding]

@@hotstepper3969i certainly have no issue with going after janky tribes. i just think if you did this most games it would just look like you were playing dragon tribal since pegasus are so rare.

[@okgut2033]

Ooooor you go the fun roud and clone rukarumel. So you combine two tribes. If you like you can also donate a rukarumel and punish an enermie for having a specific creature type like zombies. Yes most will play it as a sliver + tribe but i look at it and my brain is starting to think of options :D

[@rhettborg2425]

Krenko Mob boss with making your slivers goblins and goblins slivers?! Insane

[@simonchi5372]

I fear the biggest issue might be that if they remove her the deck will just be underwhelming and disjointed so needs a few backup conspiracy effects. Mercenaries and rebels seems strong, im gonna try minotaurs. Honestly would be fun with like a modular package commander where the base is the same and depending on mood can put in the tribe of your choice, i think she is really fun and great.

[@OniTreefolk]

Is it too much to ask for Flavor Text on commanders like this?? I get it, it's good stuff, but really just a little context.

[@carlos_wrong]

This is a great opportunity to play Sliver Knights, Sliver Humans, Sliver Dinosaurs… and help your Zacama, your Archons, your Adeline… get all crazy powerful :)

[@kapiatgatas]

Does it need to be a Sliver?

[@connorhamilton5707]

No, and arguably you shouldn't focus on slivers or play with slivers using this commander. Slivers being mentioned in the text is only so that the token ability benefits from the type-changing ability.

[@kapiatgatas]

@@connorhamilton5707 I have a Sliver deck but what you expect. Using Overlord as my commander I tutor and cheat out Blightsteel Colossus or Avacyn, Angel of Hope. Using abilties like the card mentioned.

[@maximechevalier2300]

You can Actually help any tribes with Sliver cards by choosing sliver as the Creature type.... Every nontoken creature become a sliver.

[@maximechevalier2300]

Also rebels.....

[@NerdJake]

I think this just makes sense with humans and wizards. For any other tribe the effects don't protect the commander and chosing a different commander to play sliver would be more powerful.

[@ivernedit]

5 color zombie slivers sounds cool to me. Lots of cool zombie support and lord cards to make it a good mix. Rebels will also be cool.

[@einlan2506]

Yeah....but what if if you just don't play any slivers?