The CONFUSING Clone Rank Structure Fully Explained

[@davidmccarthy4206]

Captain Rex : What ? How can you command a Legion but not have the rank of Commander ? It's outrageous ! It's unfair !

[@walnzell9328]

Take a seat CT-7567.

[@mcfixer9503]

I thought he turned down the rank of commander?

[@weaponization9904]

Captain Rex commanded Torrent Company of the 501st.

[@vizaloron9242]

He refused the rank

[@apollo268]

David McCarthy What? How could you do this? This is outrageous! It’s unfair! How could you command a legion, but not be a commander?!*

[@thomashadley589]

"Color was used to denote rank" - proceeds to show phase 2 armor where they stopped using color for rank and instead for Legion/Regiment

[@nightfury8440]

@@respectablebogan3276 legion/regiment.

[@ImTheReverse]

@@respectablebogan3276 legion/regiment

[@RealParrotclaw]

@@respectablebogan3276 legion/regiment

[@GrandPoggers]

@@respectablebogan3276 smart/dumb

[@Ryermation]

Guy McGuy Are you dumb those are arc troopers

[@shayestehkhalili142]

In my book, experience outranks everything. -Captain Rex

[@arthas640]

He obviously didn't know about plot armor then.

[@mrblue7499]

Arthas Menethil so true

[@Attaxalotl]

True.

[@MrRobot-0]

@@arthas640 but to be honest he used this armor a LOT.

[@malcolmewenmackenzieross7728]

*Rexperience

[@goldeagle6431]

It's confusing because the Senate made it.

[@-westman3619]

I am the senate.

[@Mauler_Xae20]

Not yet.

[@jimboindamix6232]

By design so

[@KingErnst16]

lol

[@vinzentiusz.9672]

I love democracy.

[@tristanbeer1257]

"Squads were composed of 9 troopers plus the sergeant" *shows a Squad that only contained 4 Clones during the whole war*

[@coconuthead98]

Unfortunately, that squad he showed was a commando squad which is not the standard squad he was referring to. He also mentioned these commandos don't fall in the 9 categories, so maybe we'll get a video explaining about the commandos (and maybe ARCs) as ranks?

[@godsdj7316]

Domino Squad and several others appeared to be exceptions and each contained a trooper equipped with a Z6 rotary cannon. Perhaps they are a specially selected squad meant to co-outfit a platoon?

[@jdluck3180]

From a training perspective, Domino Squad may have been smaller because some members of it dropped out early in the training; and there were no other replacements that were in the same "stage" of training as the others.

[@liamschallock5346]

Technically, a commando group is called a pod if I remember correctly

[@godsdj7316]

@@jdluck3180 That's a neat way of looking at it! c:

[@deltasquad8817]

0:04 *Me and the boys choosing the same character in smash*

[@flashflood9929]

That’s it I’m gonna photoshop those images together and watermark your name on it

[@grex951]

I saw that meme yesterday

[@demi-femme4821]

Same with 1:11

[@agentgreen5192]

In old PvP games if you chose the same character it will have a different colour so one will be blue and the other red.

[@coygus4422]

Billy zilla I think he means 1:12

[@redtoad6559]

Rex: has blue markings Me: Lieutenant Rex

[@TVMAN1997]

Ze Creeper yes but technically no Lol

[@HeftyManlovesthesnow]

Nah he was part of the 501st which were blue

[@badger5921]

@@HeftyManlovesthesnow Ye, ranking colours were lost pretty quickly as clones began colouring their armour to fit their own regiment

[@HeftyManlovesthesnow]

@@badger5921 yeah as the legions began to take colors the ranks were lost pretty fast

[@ihatefortnightgivemeareaso5659]

That made me gag when I read that

[@noneofyourbusiness9489]

I think it's confusing because the writers who made it knew next to nothing about the military. Same with legions, battalions, corps, etc. All used randomly.

[@marrqi7wini54]

Welcome to Star Wars!

[@noodles5438]

In real life the only part of the military you can be commander is the navy and coast gaurd, that is a rank lower than captain however commanders in the navy are higher rank than captains in Air Force, marines, or the army.

[@VanillaCoke64oz]

@@noodles5438 you can be a commander in the coast guard too.

[@VanillaCoke64oz]

@@noodles5438 I was just saying because everyone forgets about the coast guard lol

[@MrDgwphotos]

The same thing is happening with the "new" trilogy. Captain Phasma leads the entire Stormtrooper Corps, as a CAPTAIN? What does a General do?

[@archpigeon]

'hey these guys look the same, how do we stop them impersonating their superiors?' 'I dunno, just make ranks confusing as hell'

[@theeagle4463]

Oof

[@warshawgameshd3432]

That and they have chips inside their wrists that state all their info, along with the HUD"s inside their helmets.

[@buttnuttz6119]

archpigeon "hah I'm a commander I outrank you" "Oh yea I'm a super commander I outrank you!"

[@failure4452]

@WarshawGamesHD yeah but that’s boring and makes *sense* ugh

[@buttnuttz6119]

"Captains wore red" Rex must be color blind

[@godsdj7316]

The Grand Army stopped using colours to determine rank after the Dark Reaper Crisis.

[@hipoapo377]

Captain rex is in the 501st that's why he is blue

[@TinyGiraffes]

@@hipoapo377 commander*

[@IvanR61543]

@@TinyGiraffes not anymore m8

[@TinyGiraffes]

@@IvanR61543 no? the only way to lose your rank is to get de-ranked, and that didn't happen

[@CloneBob123]

>Still don’t understand how Rex is in command of the entire 501st (or at least is shown to lead over 144 troops at a single time) even though he’s a captain

[@pineappletv625]

CloneBob123 Cuz he’s Captain Rex and cuz PlotArmor

[@demanischaffer]

I always thought that Rex was the commander of Torrent company

[@claytonedmonds1070]

Maybe his rank is Commander but his title is Captain? There’s a difference. I’ll give you an example: In the Australian Army, you have a rank called Warrant Officer Class 2. That’s their rank, but they can gain the title of Company Sergeant Major. That’s what everyone refers to them as, but their rank is Warrant Officer Class 2. Maybe that’s what is happening with Rex, he is a commander but his title is Captain? Just my speculation

[@sergeeduardodegernier5195]

I think Rex is the commander of Torrent company being the headquarters company of the 501st with anakin and ashoka commanding the rest.

[@godsdj7316]

When is Captain Rex ever seen commanding more than the 144 troopers in Torrent Company?

[@garnauklaufen6704]

You should visualize this kind of stuff with organized graphs.

[@AliMalik-qm8pq]

You should shut up and watch the video

[@9965paul]

Ali Malik fuck allah

[@thirstywolf8720]

yes!

[@DutchBane]

AH! We found the German😂👍

[@Chiayiklin]

Ya this method can easily be understand

[@godsdj7316]

The Grand Army of the Republic utilised the colour-based rank structure until after the Dark Reaper Crisis and before the Battle of Christophsis. At that point they began slowly implementing unit colours, especially for distinguished units. So Captain Rex likely wore red stripes until the system was changed, at which point he wore blue and we saw him in action on-screen. Rex seemed to act as Anakin Skywalker's personal aide, and sometimes commanded small groups of clones from other units in the 501st Legion. However, he predominantly led Torrent Company as a Captain until his promotion to Battalion Commander during the Siege of Mandalore. It is highly likely the 501st Legion was led by an unknown Senior Commander, with four unknown Regimental Commanders and 16 Battalion Commanders.

[@red5t653]

Actually, of note: Rex himself calls it the 501st Clone Battalion, not a Legion. While this may fly in the face of basically everything we know about the 501st, there's a fairly simple explanation: when Vader took command, the 501st was upscaled to encompass the legion that previously held sway over the 501st and likely the 212th given that the two units were almost certainly in the same Corps.

[@AquaSeaWings]

@@red5t653 thx this explanation makes so much sense to

[@alberto2141]

@@red5t653 501st is a legion, In season 7 the 501st was split and the 332nd division was created, the 332nd division now has half 501st original forces with 332nd company being a sub-unit that shares the name of the division so its possible the 501st legion had a sub-unit called the 501st battalion.

[@bubsterjohnson7438]

@@alberto2141 star wars lore hurts my brain lol but i love it

[@richardzaremba1383]

@@red5t653 What I belive is that the 501st was just different, arranged how Anakin wanted it. When the 332nd was formed, it was a 50/50 ish split, with half becoming torrent and some others, the other being 332nd. Together they formed the 501st, with command being split between Ahsoka an Rex, and Anakin and whoever took over as captain/commander.

[@Ggb129]

Complicated? German ww2 command structure would like to have a word with you.

[@woods2353]

Yup

[@Attaxalotl]

Yes, Indeed it would. I have a book about WWII infantry, and it has a CHART. the chart goes all over the place like: \/\/|/|/|?/\\/\?\/?|/||/\/\\//\/\/\\|/\||||-=-=-\/\\/|_==. And I can't even tell what's going on there. It might just be that the chart is unorganized, but it is hard to make sense of.

[@yoshikagekira4471]

Frodo_Swaggins Hello, I’m the Korpsführer. My rank is equivalent to that of the Oberführer. Not that one, the other one.

[@Ggb129]

@@yoshikagekira4471 Obviously. Very simple and straightforward.

[@alteye1]

the structure isn't confusing at all, the same ranks just sometimes have different names in different units.

[@Alphapara]

"There's two types of Lieutenant, the Lieutenant, and the Second Lieutenant, both commanded platoons, and while Lieutenant is the higher rank, nothing is specified between the two otherwise" Sounds about right.

[@bg_9112]

They just follow each other, that's why they can't use a map

[@TylertheCC1010fan]

It's likely that First Lieutenants were also second in command of a Company, so in that case it would likely be a First Lieutenant second in command to the Captain and the 4 Platoons each being lead by a Second Lieutenant, so it would likely depend if it is a stand alone Platton or 1 of 4 Platoons in a Company, if stand alone the leader is a First Lieutenant, if part of a Company it is a Second Lieutenant. Or it could actually just be Platoons are always lead by Second Lieutenants and First Lieutenants are always second in command of a Company.

[@thenewbonboncompany]

I mean if the rank structure that anything like the military, the 2LT would be in charge of the platoon while the 1LT becomes a company executive officer

[@-Minuano-]

Oh my gosh, that Battlefront intro was unexpected, and amazing!

[@BLTDelight]

Easily one of the best loading screens of all time

[@I_Am_Angkong]

the nostalgia kicked hard on that one

[@hiddio]

Nostalgiaaaaaaaaaaaa

[@Funstun-yk7oo]

@@BLTDelight i wish todays battlefront would add it

[@JT-nn8nj]

That intro brought me back a few years

[@daffygoose784]

It’s actually really simple EXPERIENCE OUT RANKS EVERYTHING

[@darthvader8641]

Daffy Goose so 99 is the highest ranking clone

[@timelinesrpcharacters8473]

Then I’d better be getting some

[@hampter112]

THEN I DEFENETLY OUT RANK U

[@ericshin121]

He got promoted at the END OF THE WAR

[@heliveruscalion9124]

@@darthvader8641 99 is the grand clone marshal of the galactic republic

[@flipmode4222]

This is for anyone else wondering probably no one though Sergeants - 1 squad - 9 soldiers Lieutenants - 1 platoon - 4 squads - 36 soldiers Captains - 1 company - 4 platoons - 16 squads - 144 soldiers Commanders - 1 battalion - 4 companies - 16 platoons - 64 squads - 576 soldiers Regimental commanders and Jedi padawans - 1 regiment - 4 battalions - 16 companies - 64 platoons - 256 squads - 2,304 soldiers Senior commanders and Jedi generals - brigade or legion - 4 regiments - 16 battalions- 64 companies - 256 platoons - 1,024 squads - 9,216 soldiers Marshal commanders and more experienced Jedi generals - 1 Corp - 4 brigades or legions - 16 regiments - 64 battalions - 256 companies - 1,024 platoons - 4,096 squads - 36,864 soldiers Marshal commander and Jedi senior general- 1 sector army - 20 corps - 80 brigades or legions - 320 regiments - 1,280 battalions - 5,120 companies - 20,480 platoons - 81,920 squads - 737,280 soldiers Jedi high generals/Jedi council members - 1 system army - 2 sector armies - 40 corps - 160 brigades or legions - 640 regiments - 2,560 battalions - 10,240 companies - 40,960 platoons - 163,840 squads - 1,474,560 soldiers

[@MaskedKingDavid]

I read it and I greatly appreciate it. Thanks a ton!

[@dekardandrew1067]

Love you lmao

[@LecherousLizard]

Make that a graphic and the video would've been like 1 minute long.

[@thatoneguy.3548]

Thanks for putting this into perspective, even when he didn't.

[@somedude5723]

Give this man a medal

[@DrakeCE10]

Captain Rex was every rank combined 👌🏽

[@ozzy0353]

No

[@DrakeCE10]

@@ozzy0353 yes

[@ozzy0353]

@@DrakeCE10 no

[@DrakeCE10]

@@ozzy0353 yes lol

[@ozzy0353]

@@DrakeCE10 no lol

[@WhatzitT00ya]

Based on these numbers, the Soviet Russia's Red Army during World War II was much bigger and it took literally millions of soldiers to fight one country on a single planet.

[@basedautism2283]

The scale in star wars has never been consistent

[@sergeeduardodegernier5195]

To take over a planet it would not be a matter of numbers or else it would be ww1 all over again. To take over a planet you need to creaple it's key points like cutting out the legs of an ATAT.

[@edge1247]

Plus the Clones had space wizards

[@dlample4392]

Steve Lord the clones also had literal Gods helping them to win battles though. And they had far more advanced weapons which meant if they were smart they did not have to rely on numbers

[@godsdj7316]

If we took the number of Systems Armies, counted the number of Sector Armies in each, counted the number of Corps in each of those and then times'd that by the number of clones in each Corps there would be quite a large number of clones.

[@lordvarrax5060]

I feel like the rank structure is confusing to us because we are looking at it in terms of a modern military, but when you consider that it’s fiction, it makes more sense because it doesn’t have to follow the same system that we do. They have some things that are based off of modern armies (sergeants command squads, lieutenants command platoons, etc.), but that doesn’t mean it all has to follow that structure.

[@Jean-wx4wh]

Furthermore, we need to look at a larger view, people only compare it to the American army, but if you look at other armies, more element has sense. By exemple, the legions are not only a Roman structure, same has the rank, Commander is a rank of some armies, but in other, it's not. I personnally find this much more interesting because a simple reconstruction of the USA army would be quiet weird.

[@ET-Gamer]

The whole assigned corporal thing dates back to WW1 is the British army. Corporals were basically hand picked or assigned/promoted on a the spot and they had a lot more command/responsibility over the unit compared to modern corporals in any military today.

[@mattlawrence886]

Even though Rex was ranked a Captain, I'm sure most of us can agree his experience gave him a far superior rank in our books 🔥🔥

[@danese1636]

Achievement Get: Rank of god achieved

[@therealwildboar1007]

Ty for the nostalgia from that quote m8.

[@kirby7294]

It’s kinda weird why he never was promoted to Commander, but meh.

[@therealwildboar1007]

@@kirby7294 Maybe he refused promotions to stay as a more field centered role. Wouldn't surprise me from Rex's character.

[@godsdj7316]

The Karen Traviss Clone Wars book explained that Rex turned down a promotion to Battalion Commander. He personally led Torrent Company but acted as Skywalker's personal aide, and may have had authority to command other units when their leading officer wasn't present.

[@deltasquad8817]

1:34 *Hitting that T-pose*

[@ilikepigeons6101]

The virus is spreading xD

[@LucyWest370]

Stop

[@danese1636]

Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood. let the *T-Pose* flow through you...

[@silverscar3156]

Skywalking Studioz no

[@NicktheBrickOG]

@@ilikepigeons6101 It really does lol (you know what I mean)

[@ap7vm317]

I think you are an underrated Star wars KZbinr. These are quality videos.

[@Mauler_Xae20]

I agree.

[@crazybananastudios787]

I totally agree

[@Reapergonewild]

For sure

[@camron.w1841]

Sees thumbnail. Oh so the highest rank is the face of Temuera Morrison?

[@shyliabakkala3358]

XD

[@fatfatmiIIycat]

yes

[@foxhoundr3364]

Cheers for discussing this subject mate. I have a few things that I believe need more explanation into however. For instance, the rank of Corporal was a junior NCO position. Corporal’s duties entailed such things as: • They were the assistant squad leader and would fill in as Squad leader in the Sergeant's absence. • Conducted all administration within the squad. • Commanded the support by fire (SBF) within the squad. • Understudied the Sergeant • Reported to the Platoon Sergeant (sergeant major) periodically in regards to the squads administration. And lead a fire team of four troopers including himself. Also, a platoon sergeant (Sergent Major) was classed as a Senior NCO position. Some of the duties as follows: He would assist and mentor the platoon leader. Carry out all discipline within the platoon. Was the SBF Commander in a platoon attack/assault. And Coordinated all administration through the 2IC’s (Corporals) from each squad within the platoon. (Ammo and rations.)

[@MattU4970]

In the U.S. Army, Corporal is the worst rank in the Army. All of the responsibility (of a NCO) and none of the pay. CPLs get tagged for sh*tty NCO jobs the "real" NCOs don't want to do, and their (paygrade) peers don't respect them.

[@keithtaylor243]

I love how as the ranks got higher, everything got more confusing

[@Cloud5SS]

You should do a video on General Cards since he is the only confirmed Clone General to exist

[@christiannewaye7306]

Cloud5SS Marshall*

[@godsdj7316]

Does that Clone Wars MMO game count as canon material? In that case, blinged-troopers exist.

[@nicholaswong6737]

Godsdj I do not believe it does.

[@warshawgameshd3432]

No just no, he is not cannon friendly.

[@nicholaswong6737]

Cloud5SS General cards is not considered canon nor legends material. The highest rank a clone can achieve is Marshall Commander

[@amitalkingtome8552]

God, I just love this Battlefront intro. so much memories...

[@ravenks1sr15]

Aside from Special Operations Brigade Easy, 21st Nova Corps

[@yoshikagekira4471]

Raven 212 the “if you run out of ammo start punching the enemy” Corps of the republic is my favorite.

[@ziecheese]

Ahhh ! That battlefront 1 call back with your intro Nostalgia 3000%

[@trainknut]

Captain Rex and Commander Cody are like four ranks apart, yet they're shown to be peers with equivalent level of seniority and command roughly equal sized units. I mean, I get they're brothers, they've fought together and commanded alongside one another, but not once does Rex in the entire series ever refer to Cody as "sir" or ever receive any orders from him.. There's letting your guard down for someone you trust and then there's just blatant disrespect for the regulations of your army. I suppose this is explained by them both being ARC Troopers and having fought in so many battles together, but seriously, Cody is technically about as far above Rex in the chain of command as Rex is above a fresh recruit, yet not only they forget this, but it seems like sometimes even the show itself forgets they aren't the same rank.

[@ocularzombie6679]

He was actually third in command to Ahsoka and Anakin. I don't think Rex was promoted after Ahsoka left the Jedi Order. However, after Rex refused Order 66 and committed treason, Appo was promoted to Commander.

[@TinyGiraffes]

@@ocularzombie6679 I don't think appo was ever actually promoted nor rex demoted, they all died within hours of order 66, and rex was assumed to have also died.

[@azazaz4627]

@@TinyGiraffes Appo lived, he's retconned into ROTS actually with him being the one who was slashed across the chest by the kid on the landing platform I do believe.

[@lawoftheland5923]

@@ocularzombie6679 That's still two down the chain from Cody lol

[@nehasood8798]

The thing was, the 501st was much more flexible then the 212th. Cody understood that in the 501st Rex was basically treated like a Marshal commander and they were also freinds. In the 501st, if you can actullly help your considered high ranked. Even if your rank is actually High.

[@civilianship8079]

not a bad concept though, streamlining the ranks to avoid bueacracy in the clones and army as a whole.

[@alca_pwn_2232]

civilian ship woulda been easier if they just copied the us army or marine corps rank structure.

[@chengzhou8711]

“Blame the senate.” -ARF/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, Scout and Captain of the 442nd Siege Battalion

[@MaksDudekVA_main]

What had confused me the most before was the coloured phase 1 clone rankings just disappearing in the Clone Wars tv series. With this video in mind I guess all the phase 1 clone sergeants and lieutenants from TCW got their rank through promotion, which would at least give an explanation as to why they wouldn't have the coloured stripes. So basically from my understanding; phase 1 clones bred for a certain rank have the corresponding coloured stripe, but clones who are ranked b/c they were promoted keep their standard white armour (and probably customize it)

[@jordan9961]

I think the better head canon is that the GAR removed obvious indicators of rank from front line soldiers. Clone commanders appear to be the exception, and this could be because they weren't supposed to be fighting on the frontlines. Obviously, the truth is that its easier to make a show if you only need to have one model for the clones. It's why in the first season there are white troopers fighting next to named clones who have battalion paint schemes. Only in the later seasons with the money being thrown at Clone Wars did they actually make "unique" models for different troopers.

[@ANite-vx1vk]

It seems like an incredibly bad idea to paint bright stripes on specific clones during war. Pretty much just targets for the droids saying "hey this one is *really* important shoot this one first!" It makes more sense to color code them based on what unit/Garrison/battalion etc. they serve in, like they did in clone wars. A colored stripe, small, could be added somewhere on their armor to signify rank, but not massive stripes. Chests, shoulders, a couple inches long. Very cool design, bad tactically.

[@tiggerbane4325]

@@ANite-vx1vk Yeah this is exactly what I thought happened over time. Especially when you look at episode 3 as well where there is the full kashykk camo army.

[@VainerCactus0]

Or maybe what happened is 5 minutes after the battle of Geonosis ended, everyone looked at all the Officers and NCOs conveniently marked for targeting by the enemy and told them to clean their armour. What the Kaminoans thought was a good idea at the start was done away with in the first week or two.

[@TheDiscusserOriginal]

*Geestly posts a video about clone ranks* Gmod star wars rp server owners who lack the willingness to create something unique: it's free real estate

[@drgojira6044]

I dont doubt this honestly.

[@Suce.]

Ok so all plain white clone have a rank but some have a rank w command that’s nice to know

[@STORMBREAKER_250]

8:09 the downed AT-AT hurts me.

[@samuelbishop3316]

What were they thinking.

[@aidenjensen7572]

lol that’s actually hilarious and I didn’t even notice

[@highadmiralthorn2059]

I would command the 7th star corp since i just love the orange boys in the 212th

[@dasjager4504]

High Admiral Thorn What? 327th Star Corps and the 212th are two different legions, 327th is yellow and 212th is orange as you said. Is that what you meant?

[@jesspayne5548]

dasjager 212 is a battalion

[@enjoyfanta9382]

dasjager you stupid or something? He said 7th Star Corps, not 327th. The 7th was commanded by Cody and 327th was commanded by Bly. And the 212th Battalion was a unit within the 7th Corps.

[@milotorrance7461]

It's the 7th sky corp which is why he probably got confused

[@korloq8968]

I LOVE THE CLASSIC BATTLEFRONT LOADING SCREEN INTRO DUUUDE NOSTALGIAAAAA

[@deltadroid9810]

Indeed

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

I may not know much, but the one thing I do know is that's I'm GENERAL KENOBI!!!

[@sksolar_]

Not yet.

[@rebelkommando6166]

Hello there.

[@Impeialgamingimperial]

My God it's a ga ga ga ghost

[@ragingocelot4013]

Obi-Wan Kenobi I seeeee you everywhere ☺️

[@powerlesshero8306]

General Kenoni [Inhales Autisticly) You are a wise one

[@jaredbrown3463]

According to wiki, Clone Generals did exist during the Clone Wars but usually managed the military burecracy rather than actual armies

[@Kimeraaidoru_gurifon_CH]

Cody: “order 66? Bet. Ayo fire on obi wan lol” clones: “bet” (pew)

[@the_forbidden_sock_7100]

0:04 Kpop fans:”which one looks cuter!” Kpop singer:

[@carsoncowling4510]

In my book experience outranks everything -Newly Commander Rex

[@philosophicalgardner5609]

Separatist Commander: "They're attacking a planet with a legion? A few thousand troops? We don't use a unit that small to attack a moisture farm!"

[@bennettsorrells5494]

Fun fact about the clone wars: Captain Rex/Commander in season 7 of clone wars. He had a mix of phase I and II armor welded in (phase I had more armor but phase II was lighter as he mixed both to get armor and light weight mobility) you can even see were he welded his armor in!

[@seriousnesstv7902]

That intro was just so nostalgic! I loved it!

[@khairuzzadalhikmah5511]

Well then I can say i'm confused, demented, bewildered, muddled, addled, befuddled, disoriented, disorientated, at sea, unbalanced, unhinged, senile and possibly going insane.

[@guywelsh9589]

I know what you mean. As a former British soldier this rank structure has left me swallowing my own vomit.

[@AssasinOMC]

0:20 this intro brought me back to the good old days, thank you.

[@skaboodlydoodle]

The most baffling aspect about rank structure is that when Ep2 came out it was cannonized that the colour markings were the explicit indication of rank but after Ep2 colour markings were to indicate an entire legion. The only reliable way to tell clone rank is to look at how much gear they have on.

[@godsdj7316]

Clone ranks were used during the First Battle of Geonosis and Dark Reaper Crisis but were quickly phased out when everyone realized what a bad idea it was to paint a big colourful target on officers so that snipers could get them. By the Battle of Christophsis, clone units were beginning to adorn unit-wide markings instead.

[@michaelmero8732]

Trying to relate this to the USMC rank structure is like cancer

[@RealBrothaProduction]

I’m on the Army. I know what you mean 😂😂😂 the whole time I want to yell at this dude👀😂

[@TylertheCC1010fan]

Plus we don't truly know where Regimental Commander falls, we just amuse they outrank Battalion Commanders since Regiments are larger than Battalions and contain 4 Battalions, but the is a possibility that it is like First Sergeant and Master Gunnery Sergeant, where they are equal but separate ranks.

[@3ggztr3m3b33tz]

I always thought they were using the real life naval system, i.e. a place where commanders exist and are a thing as a rank. You still have your lieutenants and captains, but things are slightly switched around. In addition, irl naval captains are roughly equivalent to colonels, which always made more sense to me as to why Captain Rex would be directly reporting to and associating with Jedi generals.

[@lockrock]

your into set off a flashback to my childhood i forgot existed, thank you🖤

[@aleriaproductions2869]

That is a seriously og battlefront intro. This guys awesome

[@samtmh7240]

As a verteran, the Clone ranks being simplified is exactly what made them confusing to me. 😂

[@Epyon566]

"Though the reason for this is unclear." = Because Rex, now shush

[@ryankwong2941]

Ive been waiting for this for a long time and its true the writers arent perfect and there has been alot of inconsistencies with the ranks in the show Also explain captain Rex's position THANKS SO MUCH GEETSLY

[@ryankwong2941]

Just watch landing at point rain It should be commander for jet but instead it switches between capt and commander if ki adi mundi has no padawan then it should be commander and same in hidden enemy, obiwan calls cody captain so some inconsistencies

[@jamesscalzo3033]

Loved the video Geetsly's! The Four units I'd rather be with are one's that I came up with myself. They are the 22nd Volcano Corps commanded by Commander Lava (CC-1323) with a strength of 20 Regiments of 46,080 Troops; The 619th Attack Battalion commanded by Commander Junior (CC-6198) with a pretty standard strength of 576 Troops; The 98th Elite Corps commanded by Commander Miller (CC-1438) with a standard strength of 36,864 Troops; Finally the 82nd Airborne Legion commanded by Commander Taylor (CC-2263-80) with a standard strength of 9,216 Troops. These units will of course have their own colors for their armor as listed below: • 22nd Volcano Corps - Think about Ki-Adi-Mundi's 21st Nova Corps, but with Black and Gray instead of Dark Red and White. • 619th Attack Battalion - Think about the 212th Attack Battalion, but with a Dark Red-Orange instead of the Yellow or Gold. • 98th Elite Corps - Think about the 41st Elite Corps, but with Olive Green markings instead of the Dark Forest Green. • 82nd Airborne Legion - If you watch SorensiC SteeL and the men of the 101st Airborne division, think of them but with Khaki Drab markings instead of the Green/Dark Green that they have. Don't ask about how I came up with the units, commander names or the Clone Designations, unless you really want to know! I just came up with some good sounding unit names and colors when I watched SorensiC SteeL's 3 plus hour long Joint Op with the 212th and the 101st Airborne division. The names and designations I just came up with, so hopefully I didn't misplace anything or something.

[@ayrtontrnka1]

Omg the nostalgia your intro brought! Thank you for that. Rip battlefront original

[@Lee-bw8pg]

That intro brings back so many flashbacks 😊

[@rotciv1492]

There were sergeants, then lieutenants, then captains, then commanders, then generals... and then there was Fordo.

[@aidenjensen7572]

Yes, Fordo surpasses all.

[@legalam]

As much as I love the Clones aesthetic and the way the officers and commanders look. I can’t help but think how it’s a terrible idea to visually differentiate your commanding officers. It’s just easier for snipers to know who to shoot first. I’m probably reading far too deep into a show about lasers and space wizards.

[@maccarr9923]

It's not that weird when you consider how often they fight more like it's the 19th or early 20th century than modern warfare

[@lexington476]

Thanks for the info on your history channel you have, I never knew you had that channel. Just subscribed. The episodes look pretty cool. Going to start from the beginning.

[@munirnayfeh94]

I’d want to be a Jedi general who’d command the galactic marines or an arc trooper general

[@vast5853]

bruh the battlefront zoom in sequence brought me BACK

[@quang9862]

This is my first time watching your videos and your intro unlocked a lot of great memories for me.

[@CamJam312]

Holy crap....the original Star Wars Battlefront loading screen brings back some serious nostalgia

[@admiralwaffle4272]

“Grand army of the republic” *shows the first order army* Edit: Regimental commander

[@blakehager2543]

“ We're not programmed. You have to learn to make your own decisions.” -Captain Rex Well thats too bad he should have went into the future to see order 66

[@Dontworryaboutit961]

0:20 that loading screen took me so far back to my childhood. Thank you

[@sothbeachboy2195]

I remembered arguing with this one kid who thought captain was higher than commander

[@TylertheCC1010fan]

Well IRL that's how it is in for example the US Navy, but for the GAR Battalion and Regimental Commanders are like Lieutenant Colonels and Colonels and Seinor and Marshal Commanders being like Generals.

[@josephkluckowski324]

When Star Wars actually becomes a History Class in school

[@theoperumal5174]

I think I personally would enjoy your videos more if you linked your more general points to specific examples of what we see in the tv show or movies. For instance, if you discussed who were the high ranking jedi generals. Or what were some of the regiments we see. idk just a thought

[@eddryves8553]

I'm planning a FFSWRPG based on clones and this video was Hella helpful. Thanks!!

[@diegodlv1001]

WHOAAAA was that intro thing with the zoom in to a sector of the galaxy from the original battlefront? That nostalgia hit me HARD

[@Kodiak-Kevin]

Gree, Bacara, Neyo and Bly are Marshall commanders as well

[@zebwhitt8056]

And rex even thow he was a captain at first

[@Kodiak-Kevin]

@@zebwhitt8056 Rex was never in command of a Corp. Marshall Commanders are leaders of Corps not Legions.

[@andrewkatz5689]

Love ther Legends discrptions BTW, I dearly miss General Cards and Clone Wars Adventures.

[@jacklelive5150]

As a new viewer, i love the Battlefront style opening and it was a real throwback

[@droidy365]

First time watching this channel, intro made me feel nostalgic. Good ol' Battlefront.

[@KatyushaWarThunder]

It might sound bad or something, but on the game called ROBLOX. There are military groups, which there are many Republic Groups. If you join a group and you look at the ranks, you easily learn them.

[@KatyushaWarThunder]

It’s not a kids game if you join a military group, gets very strict and you need to study your formations, ranks, etc.

[@ducksruleflorida4882]

This is the crap I wish I learned in school.

[@calebmahana7208]

First time watching a video from this guy but that intro was waaaayyyyy too nostalgic. Instant like!

[@broyogurt3000]

Omg thank you for this video! It's really good to know this!

[@alphamav3rickgaming430]

I think the most confusing thing about the rank structure is the fact that the 501st had a commando in appo but captain Rex who was just in charge of torrent company within the 501st seemed to have more command authority and worked directly with Jedi general Skywalker on battle plans

[@franciscoramirez8588]

Well Appo was a Sergeant during the Battle of Umbara and I think he was given the rank of Clone Commander after Rex went to the Siege of Mandalore with Ahsoka... Though as to why the 501st did not have a Clone Commander till then does not make any sense

[@godsdj7316]

Appo was a sergeant until after Order 66. Captain Rex had previously turned down a promotion to battalion commander and though he only officially led Torrent Company, he also served as Skywalker's second in command.

[@TeemoForLife]

@@godsdj7316 When did he reject a promotion??

[@godsdj7316]

@@TeemoForLife Clone Wars novel by Karen Traviss that covered the events of the Clone Wars movie. :)

[@troo_6656]

A bit weird that they used "4 system" rather then standard "3 system". Just saying.

[@grimmreaper3241]

Space is a big place it can fit that .

[@sokagofferenginar8669]

I always thought it was strange that in Star Wars the rank of Commander was higher than the rank of Captain when in most real world militaries it's the other way around.

[@TylertheCC1010fan]

It helps if you think of Battalion and Regimental Commanders as like Lieutenant Colonels and/ or Colonels, and Senior and Marshal Commanders as more like Generals.

[@TheWakaMinecraft]

While the color-coding is convenient for identifying officers due to similar armor and physical appearance, it would also act as a beacon to enemies who wanted to target high ranking officers. It's why normal armies don't salute while in the field, just to reduce the chance of an officer being spotted.

[@godsdj7316]

That is why the colour-denoted rank system got phased out for a colour-denoted unit system instead.

[@isaacschmitt4803]

"There are two types of lieutenants. . . " Yeah, good and bad.

[@sleepyzzz7055]

Omg your intro brought back memories of the og battle front 😂😂😂

[@I_Am_Angkong]

that intro brings back memories... thank you :')

[@issacdunham6257]

Clone's are confusing as a fighting force. There all the same person therefore all have the same capacity to become leaders over each other.

[@ZeroTwo-gd5nq]

How do clone designations work? At most you could have 10,000 clones in each rank since it's rank then 4 digits. Were these designations localized to only the sector army they were in or what?

[@Donut-5]

They don’t always have 4 digits though. And the writers for Clone Wars couldn’t even be consistent with some clones numbers, so there’s no finding an answer to that.

[@godsdj7316]

CT-43/002, CT-43/76-9155, CT-44/444, CT-5/373, CT-6/774, CT-6200/8901 and CT-66-3232 were some of the canon or legends numbers that went above four digits. They might be localised via sector army, or there might be clones with ridiculously long serial numbers. We don't know! c:

[@Donut-5]

CT-55/11-9009 Captain “Jag”, CT-0000/1010 Sergeant “Fox”, CT-27-5555 “Fives”, and CT-21-0408 “Echo” are more examples from both legends and cannon.

[@aidenjensen7572]

And there’s more, like ct-00-2010 “droidbait”

[@emmanuelmorris7653]

Can you do other special forces groups? Like the rebels spec-ops marines or Nimbus commando

[@tiphighter3666]

this is the first time i say one of your videos and the intro gave me chills

[@windowsmudge]

What a throw back with that intro

[@kathirtahasin4452]

You're or the writers seem to be using standard military units from our world, which ties in to my intense gripe about numbers during the clone wars. 36000 men are just insanely too few for a planetary assault

[@avathiana866]

Kathir Tahasin Unless there was just a small but concentrated presence of Separatists in one or a few locations on the planet I think 36000 might be feasible. I don’t think even the droid army had enough numbers to cover entire worlds and if they did it would be a waste of resources. Like with Naboo, I think they concentrated on key locations like a capital city or something and expanded outward from a particular location only if it was necessary. We know the droids heavily outnumbered the clones no matter what but the clones were more skilled so I think in some scenarios 36000 would probably be enough to eliminate a separatist presence on the smaller worlds and moons if a proper strategy was implemented effectively. Also, who knows, maybe the droids maintained control of a planet with little resistance with less than 36000 at some points in the war?

[@kathirtahasin4452]

@@avathiana866 I've heard this argument before, but see, assume earth is a standard planet. During ww2, when we had far fewer people and our mobilization potential was far less, tens of millions were deployed on both sides. You want to make the argument that an army in the thousands, especially with low IQ droids whose entire schtick is numerical superiority, is going to be able to hold a planet with tens of thousands? Even in the middle ages an army of that size would be considered small for any well sized empire. A planet's local forces would just overrun such a small force. And here's the deal, you cant even make the argument that planets arent as populated as earth. Dry ass geonosis had a population in the billions, as CONFIRMED by the rebels series. This is while in the CW series the reps are whinging about 5 million new troops. I mean come on. Another inconsistency: the empire's star destroyer corps had BILLIONS of soldiers (not nearly as large as it should be, but at least its something), and a SIGNIFICANT portion of that were stormtroopers, who are supposed to be elite shock troopers as opposed to enlisted personell (who are meant to make u a larger percentage, otherwise the word elite has no meaning). Assuming clone trooepers are analogous to stormtroopers, How did the empire blow up a magintude in the tens of thousands of percent in slightly more than a decade? No society has such capacity, and if they did, they would definitely hit a signicant portion of that within the massive GALACTIC war that was just raging. Military recruitment skyrockets during war, it doesnt do nearly as much AFTER, even with massive militarization. This is all from official new canon btw.

[@avathiana866]

Kathir Tahasin Most planets in the galaxy like Alderaan and Naboo had no space defense systems in place. So, I think if your planet was in constant threat of orbital bombardment by the blockade of an invading force (also capable of landing more troops anywhere at anytime) I don’t think there would be very much ground resistance or uprisings on the planet (especially if the local populace are ill-equipped and are peaceful planets with not much of a history of war behind them. If they were compared to the artillery and tech of the Separatists like anti-infantry Hail-fire droids later in the war they wouldn’t stand a chance. The gungan uprising would’ve been crushed if the Separatists had more advanced tech and they almost were anyways with just B1s and AATs.) I agree with you that I don’t think it’s likely for 36,000 droids to hold a planet but I was imagining their numbers to be much higher (especially considering fleets could transport and land troops at any time) but as for a clone garrison or legion sent to destroy a presence of 100,000 droids then I’m sure more often than they had to rely on 36000 to combat a hundred thousand. But that wouldn’t matter as you said since the droids have very low IQ and they also don’t have Jedi. So it’s definitely feasible that 36,000 clones could destroy a hundred thousand droids or even many more given that their technology is on par with theirs.

[@kathirtahasin4452]

@@avathiana866 a ratio of 10 to 1 is not a problem sure; but here's the thing, naboo or alderaan arent poor. Alderaan was even famous for their large fleets of blockade runners and other associated ships, so much so that they were known to donate many for "humanitarian relief efforts" (read rebels) during the imperial era. And granted a non military power could be taken aback in peace-time as was in episode 1, but this is full scale war time. Most soldiers in most wars are never career military personell, but hastily conscripted recruits. Even military backwaters like naboo should be able to field millions of troops on a whim, enough to again overrun an army of a hundred thousand, even a heavily armed mobile one. Naboo, as an example, isnt poor. Heck, even if you don't give the millions of raw recruits the support of heavy weapons and vehicles or fleet support (which the republic should be able to field btw, given how industrial just their capital is, but assume they can't), being outnumbered a thousand to one (which is what would happen if a planet half the density of earth even barely tried to go for full mobilization, i.e. hundreds of millions vs hundreds of thousands, which is what you'd expect given a planetary invasion no?) means no amount of artillery support can stem the tide of innumerable troops who btw has an advantage on strategic knowledge of locat terrain. An invading force almost always has to outnumber the local garrison if they want to occupy a nation beyond holding a few key positions (which is necessary if you really want to conquer a planet in modern contexts, otherwise overwhelming guerrila tactics will drive you off VERY fast). And if orbital bombardment is an issue, yeah I can see how that would keep a planet in check but if that was the case it would negate the entire purpose of ground base war troops and artillery. Also this would need to assume high wealth centers like naboo doesnt have masssive orbital defenses and planetart shields. I just dont see how either side can wage war properly in the context of the trillions who live in the galaxy without at least numbering in the billions themselves

[@avathiana866]

@@kathirtahasin4452 It's definitely a strong argument I won't deny you that. I think it would mainly depend on the planet under siege, their culture, and ability to mobilize an army assuming the republic could not aid their effort. For example we know the Wookiees had no issue mobilizing an army but their tech was so primitive they would not have lasted without the republic on their own even if they numbered in the millions. I can imagine the case is very similar with a lot of these other worlds. We know the droid army has the ability to mass produce and with the placement of a blockade can land more reinforcements at any time and so they could overrun (along with their advanced tech) a hastily conscripted army with primitive technology compared to their own. Many of these planets are not wealthy enough to stand up against a galactic superpower on their own (with near unlimited financial funding like the Seps had) in a drawn-out sustained conflict. The richer worlds like Alderaan would certainly have a much better chance on their own, I agree, but we saw with poor planets like Ryloth how their people were starving and nearly beat into submission and had to be liberated by the republic. (Also, it wasn't just the 212th battalion on Ryloth, we know Mace Windu and his legion was also present at one point along with General Ima-gun-di, captain Keeli, and their legion) I do agree 36000 is too small for a planetary attack but we know the republic used more than one legion to liberate planets (Ryloth and Umbara are examples) I do see your point though. The numbers being worked with are too small. I think an easy way to answer all this is that there had to be MANY more clones then we are led to believe as well as TEN times as many droids as we tend to think. It's totally not unreasonable to assume there were local resistances numbering in the millions which opposed the droids also. I just tend to think they would be crushed like they were on Ryloth and would have been on planets like Kashyyyk.

[@beckcarter4401]

8:37 anyone else picturing a pokeball rn?

[@noaharmstrong3046]

That intro makes me unreasonably nostalgic

[@connorloughrey8103]

Great comprehensive video dude. Thanks