The Confusing Lore of the Tornado in the Sonic Games

[@g3vevo334]

My theory is simple, no timeline shenanigans. Tails is a mechanic who loves his inventions. It’s likely that tails just has a bunch of different planes that he uses due to him working on the other planes.

[@TechBlade9000]

He fucking loves planes

[@RueKatoo]

But that's boring

[@pixelatedluisyt]

⁠@@RueKatoo it's fairly reasonable tho ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@Butter-Milk]

And him finding the tornado after it crashed in SA1? He found a new one off ebay.

[@poshiblitz]

The timeline theory doesn’t exactly work, though, because Rush has to take place before generations. They wouldn't have invited Blaze to Sonic's party because they would have never met (also because she's an alternate universe princess)

[@Benjinator12]

My best guess for the Tornado 1/Tornado 3 shenanigans in Unleashed is that somebody on Sonic Team, wanting the new entry to draw on nostalgia from the older games (pretty evident throughout Unleashed) initially decided that the aircraft in Unleashed would be the original Tornado, retconned into having a new appearance and abilities. But then somebody else realized that didn't fit what had been established, hence the hasty rebranding into the Tornado 3 and the two conflicting designations.

[@Therealones745]

But it is labeled the tornado mark 3 on the plane

[@ethanwayne6973]

Re-spray?

[@rynobehnke8289]

So just a few things I can add: 1) Sonic 3 wasn't suppose to take place "right after Sonic 2" its a bit after Sonic 2 and Sonic and Tails are off in the intro after getting cold feet over the Death Egg never having been seen crashing. And after finding an ancient ring with inscription of a flying island and were to find it did they try to see if it perhaps came down this. (this has not only never be retconned but the ancient ring thing 30 years its introduction in Sonic 3 became important again in Shadow Generations were we learn that Gerald found Angle Island the exact same way Sonic and Tails would 50 years latter) And given that Sonic and Tails were expecting a flying Island did they perhaps assume that some extra thrust on the plane would be a good idea in case its to high up for the rotor motor. Or Tails maybe just wanted to tinker on the plane and just like in SA1 has Sonic no issues letting Tails mess with his plane That actually would make a lot of sense as the Tornado 1 in SA1 and Advance 1 had the rocked thruster more directly integrated into the plane showing that Tails did already tinker on it between 3&K and SA1. 2) Nothing actually says in Rush Adventure that its the original Tornado and it was lost in a cross dimension storm right at the beginning of the game. And given that Tails at the very least build 3 other planes from scratch (Tornado 2, Tornado 3 and the grey chaos energy drive prototype) is it entirely possible that this was just another red bi-plane Tails build just for fun. 3) There is really no issue with Sonic Mania it just in its Sonic 3 configuration again and is destroyed halfway through the game which might even explain why it lacks its rocked engine in Sonic 4. 4) The Tornado 2 was only slightly flooded by Chaos after Big crash landed it. It would hardly have been a harder repair to make than restoring the Tornado 1 after Mania's Mirage Salon. And given that the Tornado 2 only reappears AFTER Tails improved his engine design for the Tornado 3 to be able to do all manner of things without needing a Chaos Emerald is it not that big a deal that Tails applied the same improvements to the Tornado 2. If the Tornado 2 wasn't even the test bed for these design improvements the Tornado 3 got. (All of this is even just assuming that it ever needed the Emerald to function anyway and its not just a power boost for the plane) 5) Its never said that the Tornado 3 couldn't use a Chaos Emerald to further power itself up so Tails using an emerald as a power boost in Shadow isn't really that big a deal the place to insert the Emerald was never removed from the design after all. 6) Sonic Unleashed is really weird here. Unleashed coming right after 06 did basically try to ignore all previous continuity that happened after Sonic CD. 7) Amy never went to Prison Island with Tails she did come on her own somehow. As for escaping. Properly was she just standing on the wings Advance 1 and 3 show that she knows how to do this.

[@GearStorm2011]

Lost world had the first version of the tornado because it was originally meant to be a classic game, which explain the classic items such as the animals, the animal capsules and the super peelout

[@TiMona42]

I always theorised Lost World was supposed to be a classic game, the final aesthetic is such an oddity. I wonder why they didn't go with that?

[@SKOT_3]

But the tornado in frontiers is also the classic design. or at least it is in design aside from the second seat being a thing now.

[@GearStorm2011]

@@SKOT_3 Maybe they kept it for continuity? Since Ian flinn was the lore manager by then and probably knew about this problem

[@Jorno_arts]

The cyclone was choosen in frontiers as a construct because it fits with: 1.Being an boost with it being able to be driven on land like a car 2.flying :P something to distiguish from knuckles and amy's power boost

[@GottaBGlitches]

But it never uses any other form, it always hovers above the ground in mech form when you use it normally, and when you fly with it, it's still in mech form.

[@Metatronio]

People are forgetting the Cyclone cannon attack that Tails can do in Frontiers

[@lesbiandrea]

Minor note. Sonic Rush Adventure's Tornado gets lost in the Sol Dimension (That's why Tails uses the SS Tornado EX at the end) so any difference in its design can be chalked up to Tails having to build a new plane after that, rather than it being placed later on the timeline. Honestly, pretty sure Tails just keeps a lot of planes. He also says that he wante to use the Chaos Emerald to "super charge" the plane, not that it would be the only source of fuel. So maybe both Tornado 2 and Tornado III / Cyclone can tap into Chaos Energy but don't explcitily need it.

[@catcocomics1601]

6:50 World Adventure's Tornado 3 is probably named that way because: A. the Cyclone/Tornado 3 in Adventure 2 is almost identical to the Tornado 2 from Adventure 1, save for literally the land-mode forms. B. Adventure 2 was developed solely by SEGA of America while World Adventure was largely developed by SEGA of Japan, and they are NOT good at communicating. C. SEGA/Sonic Team as a whole have never cared wholly about continuity and are only pretending to care now to placate their target audience.

[@terios3andK]

1:10, since the Death egg falls during the day, Knuckles meets Robotnik later that night, as seen in the animated cutscenes, and by the time Sonic and Tails arrive to Angel island its day time again, at least 1 day passes between Sonic 2 and 3, giving Tails enough time to fix it, (Eggman built a lot of things in Angel island so it could be even more days but only one can be 100% confirmed)

[@xBlaster]

I think you're making it way more complicated than it should be. First of all, both Sonic Riders and Mania are in the same universe as the mainline games. Every difference between games is just aesthetic, except for Tornado 2 and Cyclone, those are still different planes. It is also possible that Sega completely forgot the original Tornado belonged to Sonic (which would explain why he says it's Tails' plane in Sonic Prime) As for Sonic Rush Adventure, considering Sonic Rivals is now canon, it must happen before that game because Eggman Nega is the villain in both, and thus it happens before Sonic Colors too as Silver appears in that game (DS is canon). Plus, that Tornado was lost in Blaze's Dimension, so it could just not be the original but another one made after SA2. Just leave everything in: Tails made several Tornados and tinkered with them many times.

[@xBlaster]

As a bonus, the Cyclone was destroyed in the IDW comics' Metal Virus saga (which is canon, and happens right after Sonic Forces). If it was repaired afterwards or not, Tails still uses the Cyberspace to create a digital copy of it (I still don't understand how Cyberspace works)

[@RueKatoo]

I mean, Sonic Riders being a different continuity just makes sense, but Mania is literally just a different universe. Generations made it so classic sonic isn't sonic from back in time, it's literally just a different sonic, which was confirmed by forces. Prime is also almost definitely an entirely different continuity, as well, like Boom, X, or Underground. but also it being complicated is really fun and I like trying to justify the weird inconsistencies

[@christopherford39]

​@RueKatoo tailstube retconed Classic to be sonic from the past again

[@pinguina3076]

​@@RueKatoo Riders is referenced in other games and media, like frontiers

[@haha_hollie]

@@christopherford39 that and the IDW comics (again, canon) firmly set their classic comics, which take place directly after mania and have the heavies, in the past of the main continuity by having the warp topaz be found in the classic timeline. let's not take a one-off line in forces that makes no sense and has since been clarified and contradicted multiple times as fact lol.

[@auxomz]

I think the different seat numbers are pretty easily explained as either being a mod that tails can install/remove at his convenience or just being another transformation the plane is capable of, its less of a stretch than the planes becoming mechs and that's an indisputable fact of their design.

[@RueKatoo]

Only one of the game tornados transforms into a mech and we see it happen, though.

[@Leo-ms8gm]

You got to remember for your Lost world timeline Orbot and Cubot being in the game means this takes place after unleashed because Orbot version 1 was first used there which was then upgraded to version 2 in colors and after colors generations because Eggman found the time eatter in space after colors

[@supernerd5781]

The timeline inconsistency with stuff like Colours could be because Sonic hopped in his plane and invited Tails along rather than Tails showing up with one of his versions, perhaps the 2 seater in Rush Adventure was a prototype that he didn't return to until Frontiers.

[@TheJerbro69]

To me,Tails has a lot of planes and just use whatever he feels it suits on the situation. He probably has a copy toe-to-toe of Sonic's plane to use for himself as it's Sonic's plane after all.

[@SunkotheRabbit]

3:43 The classic and modern games all take place in one timeline. The timeline split was retconed. 4:22 Why would Sonic riders be considered a diffrent canon?

[@riqopowpow]

Sonic 3 isn't immediately after sonic 2 tho From the manuals, a couple of days between the two games happens

[@jayymorris5285]

As a person writing a fan sonic animated series, it's details like these you don't think of by now realize it makes all the difference.

[@CraftsTimReview]

I'm glad that I'm not the only one who felt bothered by different Torando variants. Personally, I'm a fan of the Tornado that is seen in Unleashed because even though I hate those mini games that it was featured in, I do love the design of it in both in Normal and Battle Mode. Also, I feel like it would be nice to see Sonic and Tails take turns pilot the plane because it can be tiresome seeing Tails mainly piloting it.

[@BladerGirl151]

So, to summarize: the tornado does whatever it wants.

[@angelrgrimaldo1374]

Tails could have just put a second rocket on the tornado at the beginning of sonic 3

[@ThisisTheUltimate]

Sonic 3 doesn't take place right after Sonic 2, that's a thing from the american manual The japanese manual tells about how Sonic and Tails were relaxing somewhere after the events of Sonic 2, Tails was building an emerald radar and Sonic was chilling at the beach, Sonic finds a ring with some characters on it which reminds him of an old legend, Tails on his radar detects a huge power coming from an emerald, bigger than the other 7 He asks if that had something to do with the tsunami that happend a few days earlier, the tsunami was caused by the Death Egg falling on Angel Island so he and Sonic go to the island to investigate During the time the Death Egg had fell on Angel Island and Sonic and Tails arriving, took a few days as mentioned in Tails question about the Master Emerald, Eggman had enough time to convince Knuckles Sonic was evil and explore Angel Island, even building Launch Base and Carnival Night It wouldn't make sense for Sonic 3 to take place right after Sonic 2 because the Death Egg probably took some time to fall on Angel Island, it was in orbit and probably took a while before entering on the atmosphere, unlike Sonic which entered on it pretty quickly It would also be unlikely for Sonic and Tails to decide to take a break from flying on the Tornado EXACTLY on the island that just fell, and it would be too fast for Eggman to trick Knuckles and rebuild all his stuff It would have to be a very quick timeline of events to: Death Egg falls on Angel Island>Angel Island falls in the Ocean>Eggman tricks Knuckles immediatly as the Death Egg falls>Sonic and Tails find the island that just fell So we have a time frame where Tails could've installed the rocket engine on the Tornado again, as for why he did, as we can see, unlike Sonic 2 where the Tornado has no wheels while having the rocket engine, in Sonic 3 it has both wheels and the rocket engine, so Tails could've found a solution to have both And considering that prior to Death Egg, the Tornado gets destroyed in Wing Fortress by laser shots in Sonic 2, we can maybe assume that the rocket engine was also Tails fixing the Tornado quickly to aid Sonic with Eggman escaping into the Death Egg, and while Sonic was on the Death Egg he had time to fix it entirely with the wheels back The Tornado design and how many seats it has also probably just doesn't affect the order of the timeline and the games order, they probably didn't thought about that while making those things, and probably the Tornado having a redesign, I think it would be closer to the characters having a redesign in the games, it's more of a "not in-universe redesign" but rather a redesign for us as players, even though it is a bit "harder" to accept that because the Tornado isn't a character it's a plane made out of metal, for it to have a redesign you'd have to rebuild it And no, Sonic Mania doesn't take place in a different timeline, it is stated now, that every classic game takes place within the classic era, in the past, before Sonic Adventure, but in the same timeline So probably, like... Sonic R, the last Classic game released on the 90s before Sonic Generations returned with Classic Sonic in 2011, Sonic R could be the last game in the timeline of the 90s classic games in the line of events, after Sonic R, probably Sonic Generations takes place, and then when Classic Sonic returns to the past at the end of Generations, Mania happens, then Classic Sonic goes into the future back to Forces, then he goes back to the past to go into the events of either Mania Adventures of Mania Plus (you can literally choose which one you think comes after Forces, it is stated in the Encyclo-speed-ia and doesn't change that much of the future, although it looks impossible to really consider both canon at the same time), after Mania Plus/Adventures you probably have the events of the Classic IDW comics cellebrating Sonic, Tails and Amy's 30th anniversary, then Fang's mini-series, then Superstars' prologues, then Superstars itself, then the Knuckles' 30th anniversary comic, and probably all the classic stuff they'll release in the future if they'll ever release more, considering both comics and games (and probably more if there is, like animations), and after all that, it comes Sonic Adventure Also, the Sonic Riders series is canon, almost every Sonic game is, excluding some really specific ones like Crossover games like SEGA Superstars, SEGA Superstars Tennis, All-Stars Racing, Transformed, the Olympic Games, etc Mobile games (excluding Dream Team), Arcade games (excluding SegaSonic the Hedgehog and Sonic the Fighters), like SegaSonic cosmo Fighters and SegaSonic Popcorn Shop he games from the Boom series The official java and flash games, demakes of the console games like Unleashed SD, Lost World 3DS and Generations 3DS (excluding Colors DS which is canon and the story takes place at the same time as Colors Wii), although I also see no problem with you considering Unleashed SD and Lost World 3DS canon, also taking place at the same time as their console versions, because their stories are the same as the console versions (although in Lost World you do need the Chaos Emeralds to unlock the last world so that places it in a weird limbo, unless the Chaos Emeralds are just a gameplay element), the only one that is 100% not canon is Gens 3DS because it's story is objectively different from the HD counterpart, just at the start, Sonic gets on his party early, before everyone aside Tails, missing the surprise, while in the HD version he gets in the party after everyone getting his surprise party And probably some other games I'm forgetting of Frontiers probably use the Cyclone because you don't just fly with it, you can also use it on the ground so it stand on its legs and shoot a giant laser into your enemies And, last but not least, the Tornado 03 from Unleashed being called the Tornado-1 by Tails is something added in the english version, the japanese version Tails simply calls it by "Tornado", idk why they added the "1", I think they wanted to make a reference saying "oh, since the Tornado 2 exists and this is the red one, let's call it the Tornado-1 to show that this is the previous/that we know about the lore/as a reference" without realizing that it was a different plane, but idk, I'm just guessing, maybe they knew it was a different plane and saw it was written Tornado 03 but still wanted to show the reference, I seriously have no idea

[@ToaArcan]

The original version reappears from Lost World onwards, complete with its Mega Drive-era design rather than the Adventure redesign or the Tornado-1 version, basically because nostalgia. It's the original one so it's automatically the best.

[@sometf2player752]

Tbh I dislike how they are just using the classic design for the tornado id rather they just continued to use the sonic unleashed tornado rather than relying on nostalgia

[@sometf2player752]

Oh also the one in lost world is still different from the mega drive one as it has red wing tips

[@Syiepherze]

I'm surprised that this isn't a TailsTube or Twitter Takeover topic yet lol

[@neptuneplaneptune3367]

Tails just saved Station Square from a nuke, I feel like him asking "Hey can somone help me find and toe my crashed plane to my workshop" is a little thing to ask. Especley as I imagine Tails acually knew exactly where the plane crashed. So he simply had it toed, maybe via a Helicopter to his workshop.

[@Saetta06]

lost world literally uses the retro tornado bc it was that era of sonic nostalgia and reusage of classic stuff only, getting rid of "sonics friends" and deep stories same stuff with like the badniks and the usage of trapped animals

[@epicredhot5675]

it was originally going to use the classic design of Sonic himself as well

[@SonicTheHedgehogX15]

3:06 I think this tornado is different it has tails tails, sonics tornado has his name

[@RueKatoo]

The tornado in adventure has the same design, and sonic specifically calls it his plane in that game

[@SonicTheHedgehogX15]

@ oh then idk I guess tails felt nostalgic and redesigned it to the original look

[@WaddleZilla-hk9py]

finally I've been wanting a video on this.

[@swipeslogjack_tgaming9472]

I assume tails installs a big battery into the tornado-II as to allow it to function in short bursts. Thus it allows him to use a faster plane in short journeys and short battles. Thus, he could still need the old tornado to fly across longer distances.

[@Kitty255Again]

It's obvious that Tails is keeping a bunch of planes somewhere. The real question is where? Probably under his house or something.

[@Metatronio]

I mean, yeah, in the IDW comics, he had the Cyclone in his house in Emerald Town

[@Rheasune21]

Airplane :3

[@AnityEx]

I wish we saw sonic using his plane by himself on the games

[@RueKatoo]

I mean, he flies it in advance?

[@DanielLCarrier]

Given how many transforming planes Tails made, maybe the whole thing with the Tornado switching between one and two seats is just the plane transforming. And that's also how he got Amy back with the Cyclone. I'm going to assume that the Tornado One being the third one is a reference to the Xbox.

[@RueKatoo]

I actually really like this idea and think it's more likely to be the answer, but I think it's funnier to construct a timeline around the plane having two seats lol

[@Cretaceous158]

The Tailstube videos imply Mania takes place in the modern timeline as well as the classic, though Mania Adventures and Encore mode have to happen in separate timelines from each other.

[@seoteltrut]

Maybe Tails is just bad at naming things? Or has memory issues due to all the plane crashes he's in?

[@KilosFoxo]

with the tornado 2 not being emerald powered sometimes and the cyclone being emerald powered sometimes its probably tails modified the tornado 2 to have a backup power source and after sa2 the cyclone was modified to accept an emerald to power it too as for why the tornado 2 was used in heroes was probably because tails knew hed need more passenger space for knuckles and sonic while in shadow and adventure 2 it was more combat heavy so he used the more armed vehicle

[@Terminal_Apotos]

It’s Sonic’s plane, except it isn’t, but sometimes it is, except not really, what’s a plane again?

[@COZMICETERNITY]

Im pretty sure the Cyclone being in Frontiers is i think only because of tails being in cyberspace? Like im assuming cyberspace for Tails Amy and Knuckles follows the same rules as sonic and eggmans cyberspace, it pulling from their memories! And another fun fact, if we’re going off naming schemes then technically the Blue Typhoon from X could also be considered a variant torndao! Its VERY similar to the X Tornado in design, only difference is it being much larger and meant for space travel right? and another silly fact is that the name Cyclone is not used just for the plane Tails built, but also the red car sonic uses in Sonic Drift!

[@RueKatoo]

Yeah, that's what I meant when I said the cyclone wasn't "real" in frontiers lol That said, aside from the Tornado-1, the Cyclone is Tail's least used Tornado

[@SaddieMoon]

Yeah. I knew for a long time the Tornado 3 in Unleashed was a different plane.

[@stenysful]

This is a tenuous connection at best, but Unleashed's tornado one (codenamed the tornado 3) reminds me of the xbox one (the third xbox). Was microsoft subtly referencing the dreamcast's influence on the xbox with this naming convention??? Edit: I'd be interested in a Sonic timeline derived from the tornado, i think that would be a fun video.

[@dc7981]

Wait I thought they dropped the whole "mania and classic sonic are in an alternate universe" thing......or is that still a thing? I dunno anymore

[@RueKatoo]

They said something about it on tailstube, but I take it with a grain of salt, especially because generations doesn't make sense otherwise.

[@lozm4835]

I'd guess that each Tornado has its ups and downs. Tornado 1 is technically Sonic's plane, so Tails doesn't have full access to customise it. But maybe he added the ability to transform and get a second seat if needed (A feature that was probably designed for other passengers given Sonic's preference for wing-walking). I'd guess since this plane is most commonly seen when the gang are on scouting missions or travelling normally, it's probably the most comfortable or perhaps has the most range. Why they use it in Lost World? Aside from nostalgiabaiting, if the 'most range' part is true perhaps they knew they'd have to Track Eggman a while. Tornado 2 was designed with combat and speed in mind. As you note, it was probably used to catch up with Sonic. Since it's clearly seen a couple upgrades such as an autopilot robust enough that Tails doesn't even blink at jumping out of it, I'd guess it's running on artificial chaos emerald technology. I mean, we know he can do that since he has one in 2. The Cyclone is built for combat first and foremost, so it makes sense that it only shows up when Tails wants heavy armament. It's probably 'used' in Frontiers because Tails is thinking about combat, and thus that's what Cyberspace manifests (But I do wish we'd gotten a regular Tornado) Tornado-1 is possibly Tails deciding to have a 'comfort plane' of his own since the OG Tornado 1 belongs to Sonic and getting way too much of a tinkerer with it. Or since he's off studying with Professor Pickle, maybe he put it together specifically as a tinkering project whilst away from his workshop. As for the name, I can only think of tax evasion as a reason.

[@MooshyM2727]

riders series is canon, all the classic games are now canonly in the past (including the newer created ones for classic sonic), the x looking tornado could of just been changed to be without a chaos emerald, tails could have a plane with one seat and another plane with 2 seats

[@RueKatoo]

Post Generations Classic Sonic (not all the classic games, but the character himself) must be in a different timeline split, otherwise the events of generations don't make sense at all. The Tornado 2 was specifically designed to be run off of a Chaos Emerald, though it is possible Tails changed it for whatever reason, my goal was to simply point out that isn't mentioned. The Tornado in Rush Adventure and Frontiers is the Tornado, just the normal Tornado, there's nothing pointing toward it not being the Tornado.

[@ChristianWS.]

Here's my crackpot theory: There's 2 Tornados 1: One is Sonic's Tornado, the red one with white wings and a star on the tail The other one is Tails' Tornado, the red one with red and yellow wings, and Tails logo. Tails liked Sonic's airplane enough that he built his own airplane based on it, down to the name, but made a couple of adjustments here and there Sonic Unleashed's Tornado is Tails' Tornado 1, but upgraded to Tornado 2 levels. But Tails realized it was stupid for Sonic to have a Tornado 1 and him also have a Tornado 1, so when he upgraded his airplane he renamed it Tornado 3. Forgetting that the Cyclone was also called a Tornado 3

[@HectorCotto97]

Tails is so weird, first he borrows Sonic's plane the Tornado 1 later he tries to make his own plane, 2 of them in fact at the exact same time and ended up crashing one of them. Then he crashes Sonic's plane and after getting his Tornado 2 finally working he ended up crashing it too and got it stolen by Big the Cat. Then he presumably gets it back between Sonic Adventure 1-2 and proceeded to turn his plane into a mech or possibly made a new one all together. Then after Heroes he decides to never use his mech plane ever again and just decides to take Sonic's plane instead. Sure the mech plane appeared in Shadow the Hedgehog but it got downed uncharacteristically easily. Logically speaking I can't think of a single reason as to why Tails wouldn't use his mech anymore, especially given just how much of a wimp he has been in recent years. Seriously remember him cowering from Chaos 0? Tails has already beaten stronger versions of Chaos when he was younger and less experienced compared to now. Imagen if Tails had his mech when that fake Chaos 0 showed up, Tails could have destroyed Chaos 0 like he was a common filler stage enemy. Heck if he had it in Unleashed he could have done more than just being a glorified driver.

[@SHEEAAGH]

Seems like there was some confusion at SEGA,mixing up the tornado 2 and the tornado 3(probaly because they have very similar colorschemes),and in the case of unleashed,they might have thought that they were the same plane,and that being the reason why that version of the tornado has "tornado 3" written on it's side Also the SA2 tornado 3 appeared in the IDW comics (which are probably canon given how Sonic mentions Tangle in frontiers) during the zombot arc,where it was destroyed by a bunch of zombots,don't remember if the other tornados appeared in the comics Also it's likely that when the tornado 2/3 are not powered by a chaos emerald,they are being powered by the Chaos drives from SA2,or maybe a fake chaos emerald like the one from SA2,wonder why Tails never bothered making more of those

[@sometf2player752]

The tornado 2 shows up in the idw comics as well in its X form

[@sonicrocks2007]

In a tailstube episode there is an icon for a Tornado 3.5 indicating another change. But this may not be canon?

[@RueKatoo]

afaik tailstube can't really be canon because it contradicts itself, but I'm sure at least *some* things hint to canonicity

[@bugzy9983]

I really just think that they dont care and sonic team will just use whatever assets they have 2 convey flught

[@RueKatoo]

Yeah but thinking about it like this is more fun :3

[@bugzy9983]

@RueKatoo true dat 😜

[@TiMona42]

I do wish the tornado at least retained the metal bits more often. I can be a bit of a purist about it j guess but while i still like the new ones i fjnd the full red/yellow designs lately a little too toyetic edit: okay i guess it appeared in that style more often than i realised

[@NYAN_GAB-13]

There is a possibility that Sonic 4 is not canon and there is no dimension of classic Sonic. I won't go into the subject in depth, I'll just say this: if there is a classic Sonic timeline, then Silver is actually a hedgehog from another dimension.

[@aliaubreyswink6767]

I don’t think you should based the timeline off something as minimal as what plane tails uses in each game. Fun vid idea tho.

[@RueKatoo]

Not just the plane itself, that would only be part of it. But also, taking every single little inconsistency is fun, even if not entirely productive, so "should" is a boring word in this context.

[@peeloutsuper]

yeah... this video has a lot of missinformations, about dimension and timeline shenanigans

[@RueKatoo]

I know what they said on Tails tube, Sonic Generations doesn't make sense without making a timeline split, the story just falls apart.

[@Kookie_13_]

I wouldn’t say it’s weird, the og one, sa1 and sa2 one, You don’t think tails couldn’t find another power source for the tornado 2 it doesn’t need a chaos emerald, but will to reach max speed of smth probably. They can’t have a chaos emerald since that game has special stages(even though team darks team blast has a chaos emerald which doesn’t make sense but wherever. The rocket in sonic 2 is because it got shot down is it not clear it’s gets shot down otherwise they would have landed and sonic wouldn’t be alone in wing fortress, so tails fixes it for short term, and by the credits he’s been on the ground for ages while sonic was fighting in the death egg. So it was fully fixed again. And I’m pretty sure they both co-own it but tails makes them for both of them to use it mostly tails drives tho. The rocket in s3 would have been to get to the tsunami quicker considering they found a freak tsunami in a random point of the ocean that they had to check out so they had to get there quickly so tails reused the rocket from before. He probably also has multiple planes too it’s not like he has to use the same one. I didn’t tpknow the cyclone had tornado-III on the side and the tornado 1/3 from unleashed and generations is now confusing to me but that’s the only thing, 1 small inconsistency. I’d say the tornado-III should be called the cyclone and the tornado 1/3 should be the tornado 3, since the tornado 2 is the same as the tornado 3 but the tornado 3 went back to red and added more stuff, like let to increase the speed to go faster than the tornado 2 would without a chaos emerald.

[@darkchaos3474]

There ain’t no “timeline shenanigans” dude and Mania isn’t in its own timeline/dimension anymore. They were playing with the concept back then but it’s now a part of Modern Sonic’s past, the Fang IDW Miniseries which is a prequel to Superstars which does have the Hard Boiled Heavies is proof enough of that. And Riders definitely is in the timeline and isn’t it’s own thing, that just a dumb thought especially when the Babylonians are referenced in Frontiers and the Babylon Rogues very clearly appear in the IDW Comics plenty of times, the current arc is even a Riders inspired one, and the IDW Comics have been confirmed as canon to the games’ canon for a long time now. And there simply is 4 main models of the Tornado: • The original Tornado that Sonic owns which appears in Sonic 2, Sonic 3, Sonic Mania, Sonic 4, Sonic Superstars, Sonic Lost World and Sonic Frontiers. • A separate Tornado that Tails made and owns which appears in Sonic Adventure 1, Sonic Advance 1, and Sonic Rush Adventure. It does have Tails’ tail symbols plastered all over it. • The Tornado 2 that appears in Sonic Adventure 1, Sonic Heroes, Sonic Advance 3, and Sonic Riders is Tails that’s the follow up to Tails’ Tornado. • The Cyclone is simply inspired by the Tornado 2 but is its own separate thing. • And the Tornado-1/Tornado 3 obviously is just the third Tornado model of Tails’ own personal Tornados.

[@ItYaBoiGreen]

Where in the world did you get “sonic mania” happens in a different timeline thing. In tailstube they literally said that classic sonic is from the past. Forces’ alternate dimension thing was retconned!

[@RueKatoo]

Tailstube isn't cannon, it literally has to be an alternate timeline, otherwise generations doesn't make sense

[@ItYaBoiGreen]

@ mania doesn’t happen in an alternate timeline like seriously it was a past game. And as far as I know tails tube is canon, it’s to connect and establish stuff in the lore. Classic sonic is not from a different timeline or universe he is simply the younger version of sonic. I genuinely don’t understand how people think he is. It has been stated after forces that it’s supposed to be Sonic from the past!

[@sometf2player752]

@@RueKatooso the series explaining sonic lore isn’t cannon? Seems kinda contradictory don’t you think

[@Grovicalsoda]

im going a bit off topic but can knuckles fly the tornado himself? i mean granted he does know how to fly the egg mobiles & even can control some of eggman mechs like egg saucer its just a stupid question i thought about

[@sometf2player752]

He’s able to fly it in the advance games

[@Grovicalsoda]

@@sometf2player752 when did he do that in the endings of sonic advance outside of sonic is sonic flying the plane advances 2 dosent have the tornado advance 3 i cant tell whos flying the plane because of the perspective

[@Ryderboycolor9]

in all honesty i love the tornado and its confusing lore i always wondered why sonic even owns the tornado in the first place he never uses it aside from mania btw mania is not a different dimension it is the same sonic that was a mistranslation in forces aside from that he never uses it why it exist so tails can have a plane why not just retcon it and make it tails plane that he built i do not understand

[@faithlessberserker5921]

I'm a fan of biplanes but why does someone as smart as tails fly one instead of a jet or something?

[@RueKatoo]

tbf, it kinda is a jet sometimes lol

[@mechadeka]

It looks cool.

[@marcogonzalez9673]

I never thought how terribly used the tornado was

[@SMG5Guide]

Mainly upgrades

[@dshaynietheawesome]

no mania isn't another timeline, no forces didn't confirm that, officially sonic mania takes place between sonic 3& knuckles and sonic superstars, and sonic forces mentions nothing of another timeline they just mistakenly have tails refer to classic sonic as the sonic from another dimension dialogue as a whole has very little credibility, from tails tube onwards classic sonic is reconfirmed as sonic from the past, and sonic x shadow generations confirms the events of sonic generations did not alter the timeline.

[@RueKatoo]

A timeline split is the only way generations makes sense. Not altering the timeline, but a split. None of the characters remember doing anything the classic variants did at all. Tailstube isn't a great place to get your canon from, either.

[@dshaynietheawesome]

@@RueKatoo “the only way it makes sense” is a little limiting i mean there are many time travel stories in fiction where they meet a younger version of a character from earlier in their life and it never really changes anything unless it’s specifically a plot point and thats not something people really questioned, you can make lots of logical explanations but i do not wanna agree with justifying a line from sonic forces a game full of errors inconsistency and incorrect character portrayals that many of the stuff working on sonic stories today acknowledge as such, and for sonic generations’ story the truth is it’s very minimal and only exists as an excuse for the 20th anniversary theme of revising old levels and a 90s version of sonic, and i don’t think the writers pontac and graff ever once considered the implications of the time travel element. i think you need to strike a balance between canon and lore logically having things connect and make sense and it’s a game about a cartoon talking blue hedgehog that runs fast, don’t think too deep about it

[@ProjectMirai64]

Nice !

[@Therealones745]

I going be honest in half of this video you don’t know what you’re talking about 😑

[@RueKatoo]

Can I have a little more elaboration? I try to make the best content I can, but this doesn't really help lol

[@TheBlur182]

I stopped halfway through because the arguments are stupid. When you have nothing to say, stop speaking instead of saying nonsense.