The Corvette Hobby is CHANGING.

Todays video takes a serious note. Lyle goes into depth about how the corvette hobby has been changing and what he's seen personally with 25 years of experience.
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[@xRenegade44x]

I bought my 03’ C5 from my father in law just before my Wife and I got married. I drove her away in it and it means a lot to me sentimentally because of that and since my father in law offered it to me first and for a deal too. Cars are cars but if you understand what it’s all takes for it to do what it has done in its lifetime and maybe even helped it get to where it is, it’s much more fulfilling of a relationship to have. Since technology is so fleeting these days I don’t feel the relationship can or will ever be quite the same between man and machine. 👍🏽

[@csvette]

This is so well said. This guy gets it! Lyle:)

[@GregSr]

I own a C5 that I inherited when my father passed away. He bought it new in 2003. He loved it! It hasn't needed too much work but I did most of it myself. My C5 is like a family member to me and can't imagine NOT having it - especially with its connection to my Dad. I agree with you, if I bought a new C8 (for example), I would be afraid to own it past the warranty. The C8 is sophisticated and complicated. Relatively speaking, my C5 is simple. I was able to fix the ABS, the HVAC display and the oil pressure sensor (thanks to the internet).

[@WarriorsPhoto]

What kinds of queries did you use to fix these items? I have some of these errors on my C5 and I wouldn't mind doing some of them myself. (:

[@MooMoo69556]

Yea but ur driving a C5 🤢 The C8 is the best looking exotic sports car.

[@JungSooLeee]

​@@MooMoo69556C5 and C4 are so ugly, they're the ugly ducklings of the Corvettes. C6 have ugly headlights but otherwise decent.

[@christsogaugetrains]

@@JungSooLeeeugly to whom. The c8 looks like ever other sport car now days.

[@MooMoo69556]

@@christsogaugetrains name 4 sports cars it looks like

[@brendas.1374]

I totally agree with you, Lyle. I own a 1967 Corvette Coupe and everything on it is mechanical, easy to work on, or replacing a part. And there’s nothing complex about it. Being a car girl, I do all my maintenance on it. Keep up the great work!

[@Mistral-Deux]

C5s are the sweet spot between repairability, analog driving, mileage and modern functions.

[@csvette]

Absolutely.

[@kimblem.w9952]

Hence why they're still holding their value even at a higher mileage. Cheapest ones go for no less than 20 grand here in Canada.

[@scubasteve31583]

@@kimblem.w9952 I have a fully sorted 2003 with about 152000 miles on it and I wish it would fetch 15,000 USD here but I think I'll be lucky to get 10,000. It's in amazing condition and has a new glass targa top, new michelin pilot sports, double dinn nav/xm/back up cam/new leather/heated seats, no codes, and everything is in perfect mechanical shape with zero leaks whatsoever. People just see 1xx,000 miles and want to offer 5,000 or less, they act like its a salvage title.

[@Ken-op7sg]

I love the C5 it is even yet today one of the most beautiful Corvettes ever made and it certainly was ahead of it's time.

[@edgardovigo147]

I hope someday some company will produce a replica of the EBCM for the C5 earlier models, so sad to know Bosch ia no longer producing this important part for this vehicle.

[@russellobarski7434]

I own 1972 Corvette T-Top 4sp Std Eng. bought in 1973 so I’ve owned it for 51yrs. Your right easy to work on because it simple.

[@johnbraun61]

As past Corvette owner, Corvette business owner, Corvette parts manufacture, suppler to Corvette GM plant, Sr. Bloomington Gold judge (1967-1969 years) and Corvette author, it’s my personal opinion the Corvette hobby went south when the prices went up. Prior to 1989 most middle income households could afford a Corvette. These owners were grass roots Corvette enthusiast along with past Corvette owners 1953-1988. Today’s Corvette owners (not all) are upper middle class or higher that tend to purchase out of the need to be flamboyant. This mindset doesn’t build long term connection with the past hobby enthusiasts.

[@craigthescott5074]

@@johnbraun61 that could be true to some extent but you must realize the prices have gone up since the 1980’s because the performance has gone up drastically since then. You can’t expect to compete with Euro cars without the cost of the Corvette going up. The used market for base cars is still affordable.

[@davidparisi4980]

Perfectly stated 😊.

[@jamesgullo8240]

Totally agree.

[@williamwatts6384]

I own a 2012 GS 3LT Manual bought brand new in 2012, that has only 35,000 miles. No issues, and plan on keeping it until the end!

[@marksutton3806]

Always look forward to your podcast on Fridays. Yes, you are correct. Our society has become a disposable society. It is so sad.

[@AlanKacsor]

I might get a hard time over this one....I sold my 2019 several years ago and bought a 66 for the very reasons you talk about. Open the hood and stare. Never had more fun !! Of course completely different car with its own set of issues. Got a shop manual and away we go.

[@PatCurrie]

Should have kept the '19, last of the real Corvettes and added the 66

[@rapid13]

My C6 Z06 is my forever Vette I think, and my son loves it. I plan for him to inherit it as soon as I can no longer drive it. I hope he keeps it forever too.

[@jasonbrindamour903]

I have my dad's C3, I need tires which I can't afford right now but I love that car. The smiles and thumbs ups....so much worth it!

[@WarriorsPhoto]

I am glad we spoke about this Lyle. I didn't tell you this on the phone. It was one of your videos that lead to my decision that I'd get a C5 instead of late C4. I wanted something that was mostly mechanical. That I could turn a wrench on if need be. I won't do everything myself but I've done some work on her with a buddy. It was rewarding to see the final results. It's this simplicity that I know will make me enjoy the C5 for several years. If it does turn out to be as reliable as we discussed then I may pass it along. Hopefully not like the previous owner. (: Thanks again Lyle for all your efforts and love for Corvette. You are helping to make a bunch of Corvette fans out here in California.

[@LarrySanders-n4z]

You are spot on here Lyle. And on the flip side of this, took my 73 Vette recently to the dealership to get the front end aligned and they said they couldn't do it. Didn't have the software. I wound up taking it to the local CO-OP to get it done.

[@wydopnthrtl]

I 100% kid you not... the best alignment I ever had was in my garage with string and an iPhone. Other than caster you can get toe and camber dead on as compared to a typical alignment shop. Your not limited to time! You can get the steering wheel perfect, toe DEAD PERFECT, and camber perfect w/a smart phone and a piece of wood. I was so successful that from now on I'll even guess at caster. 4hrs in the garage and you'll have a better alignment than anything in town you could pay for.

[@WarriorsPhoto]

wowzers!

[@sandwinder326]

Larry, keep that wonderful beauty away from any dealership!!

[@jimoverschmidt8169]

Very well said Lyle. Maybe I will hang onto my C5. … Peace, brother.

[@jeremyhogan5840]

My 2015 C7 Z51 M7 is 9 years and 7 months old with just over 90,000 miles. We love the car to this day and have no plans to sell it.

[@cave.dweller.mediocrates]

'69 427 tri-power 4spd restoration and '80 auto Cali car, both coupes. They have been a part of the family since I was a kid. I drove the 80 from high school through college, prior to restomod'ing. We have C3's in the family, but I love all generations. I think you nailed it.

[@paultrouskie1825]

Similar story. Dad brought a 67' 427 coupe home in 1970. Took us 4 kids all over in it. Went to the drive-in in it. I drove it in high school in the late 70's. What a blast. He passed it down to me in 2005. Still runs good, and looks great. One of my sons wants it down the road. Teaching him how to work on it. Hopefully he'll keep it till it becomes a museum piece.

[@OhioCoasterStudios]

Completely agree. We love the C7 however, the ease of working on and utilizing shops such as yours has us looking at C3 and C4 Corvettes for long term

[@howardscott7521]

Just now entering my 50th year as a hands-on Corvette guy. Bought my first, a pretty little 68 coupe in Silverstone Silver with a gunmetal interior, in May of 1975. Mainly because it was a 1968 with an abundance of one-year-only parts, it could be challenging to keep up to snuff, but in those days, the hardest mechanical challenge on the car was the dreaded rear wheel bearing failure and the always leaking brake calipers. These days, you just by the whole trailing arm with a new bearing included, and calipers with stainless sleeves. Throw an extra set of points and maybe a fuel pump in a tool bag and drive the car anywhere. Fast forward to present day, and I am trying to resurrect a much neglected 89 C4 convertible. The endless supply of sensors, a rather archaic fuel injection system, and an even more rudimentary ECM and on-board diagnostic design and the car is quite the challenge for a guy who grew up on carburetors and mechanical pumps. I can't imagine wrenching on anything much newer. I specifically went looking for an L98 car when shopping for a C4 since I had lived through the experience of the dreaded optispark failure on a 1993, and the torque that oozes from the little 350 beats the higher horsepower LT1 any day in my book. What disappoints me with the 1989 is the lack of a supply of critical parts availability. GM seems to have just about discontinued everything on the car from something as simple as a battery cable to more complicated things like wheel speed sensors. I also own a 1987 Ferrari, and its a hell of a lot easier to find factory replacement parts for it any day of the week. Makes no sense to me why GM hasnt done a better job with keeping common wear parts available. The aftermarket picks up some of the slack, but reliability and quality in aftermarket stuff is abysmal, in my experience. All this stuff contributes to the changing of the hobby, but it really is across the spectrum of the entire four wheeled landscape. I wouldn't want to try and diagnose and wrench on my 2024 Honda either, so I guess its all relative to a large degree. Just my two cents worth, which I'm probably overvaluing, lol.

[@jd4810]

How I made my Mom panick, and Dad roar with laughter at 1966 new car show. I've loved Vettes since I was toddler. My parents took me to see the new cars at carshow in 1966. My dad had his Bell & Howell 8mm camera in hand. In the center of show was new 1967 C2 on a turn table display. I broke free from my moms hand and took off towards the display. My mom gave chase but was slowed by her high heels. In a flash I was past the velvet rope surrounding display, and climbed up on turntable. Mom was embarrassed, and Dad obviously laughing due to unsteady & shakey camera hand work, lol. The reps stopped the display from turning, then they opened the drivers door and sat me in drivers seat! I was so happy & proud that I got to sit in my dream car. I was 5 years old.

[@howardgreenman2908]

I fell in love with Corvettes at that same show in 1966. But I was 14 and too old to slip under the ropes. Finally had the means to buy my first Vette, a C2 many years later at the age of 49. I’ve had one more since then, a C5 and hope to buy a C7 in the near future if I live long enough

[@outsidethegames1884]

Lyle your thoughts couldn’t be more factual. You don’t know how many times I’ve heard a corvette club member say man i wish i would have never got rid of my c3 , c2, c1. I see what you’re saying when it involves older Vettes. I believe price for older Vettes will continue to rise as parts for them are easy to get. For some newer Vettes will become a visiting relative that comes and goes from time to time when they visit you and return where they live. I have my 1975 vert and will pass this to my son as a family member car. Nothing like passing on a classic car. I really think it also depends on the owner like you I’m sentimental with things I really value. Thank you Lyle for these type of videos that make the audience think 🤔

[@comfortablynumb4797]

Unfortunately the prices of older Corvettes, especially C2,C3, are not rising fast enough to keep up with the cost of restoration, thereby making restoration costs prohibitive. Unless you do all of the work yourself, i.e., body, mechanical, paint, interior, engine, you cannot restore a Corvette and remain above water.

[@rshooer]

Lyle, this is a really interesting topic, and thanks for bringing it to the forefront. You and I talked about this briefly at Carlisle. I am fearful not only of the Corvette hobby falling off in the years to come, but of the "car culture" as a whole deteriorating as the technology and engineering changes, and we are less able to "work" on these vehicles. I currently have a C5 (50th Anniv.) and a C3 (Collector Edition) and there is little interest in my family to continue the tradition after I am gone. This makes me sad, because I know how much joy ownership of these cars has brought me, not to mention the countless friends I have made as a function of being part of the Corvette family. Fifty years from now, every car currently on the road, will be at least 50 years old, and gasoline engines (unfortunately) will be obsolete and replaced by the technology of the day. I won't be here to see it, but it is certainly interesting to think about. Thanks again for all of the compelling content! Bob S., Pittsburgh

[@cooperbeazley9358]

Speaking as someone who has a 72 that my Dad bought brand new and that I have maintained for the last forty years , I think you are exactly right. The car is a member of the family and my son will be the new Keeper of the Flame. We have gone the resto mod track and have upgraded and rebuilt everything in the car while maintaining the look. It drives and performs great . You are correct in terms of the C5 and later generations, they are a lot more complex and more difficult to work on. The C3/C4 generations in my view are the sweet spot : lots of after market parts, fairly simple to work on, and pretty easy to maintain. Vettes have always been a little more difficult to work on by their nature, but are worth it. We are looking at buying a C4 (1996) as it appears to be something we can work on and has good parts availability, anything beyond that is problematic for me. Appreciate your videos, they have been very helpful.

[@user-ty3vb9mm8i]

I have had my 1971 t-top Corvette since 1974 28000 miles!

[@GenAxe-v8w]

So true! I have also thought about these things. You really nailed it when you mentioned the complexity of these cars is increasing…while at the same time, peoples ability and knowledge of working on cars is decreasing. Example, my young adult kids have friends (some young men) who literally couldn’t change a tire much less replace a brake caliber. They couldn’t fix an issue with a C3 much less anything newer. And sadly some don’t even want to bother with learning how.

[@sandwinder326]

Heck, there are some that don't even want to drive. I can't imagine...

[@briandeaton3550]

I remember thinking that the Corvette hobby had changed when attending a 1998 show in Bowling Green Kentucky. Before then, the shows were all about C1s and mostly C2s with aftermarket parts and a huge swap meet; everybody said solid axles and midyears. At the 1998 show, it was all about engine dress up kits and accessories for the C5.

[@houztx]

I fully agree with you. It is becoming a disposable car, like everything else in this world. :(

[@kevinrodgers4535]

Love the channel the past three years; I'm almost 70 now, retired GM employee, fell in love with Corvettes as an 11 year old when I rode in my cousin's brand new '66 hardtop coupe, later owned a '68 for years and learned the hard knocks on repairing it, followed the hobby ever since, got to meet Zora on a very hot day at Bloomington Gold in the 80's and had some treasured time talking with him, retired now and live near Lucas Oil Raceway in Indy. Lyle, you're doing spectacular work, no surprise how many subscribers you have, spot on and concise analysis/advice in all your videos. I am hoping/praying we have enough fine young people to have the discipline to become experts on all Corvette generations and will figure out a way to keep them running in spite of lack of parts, money hurdles, old & recent daunting software and electronics, faulty design engineering, and evolving clean air regulations. These quality younger folks, I run into a few of them every week who are working hard and interested in always learning. They may be the pivotal group who saves our hobby and also lift up our country, eventually. Accolades for all you and Steve have done to date, Lyle. Glad you're all safe post-hurricanes. Keep up the superb work.

[@DadsGarageDIY]

Unfortunately the economy is causing many of us to have to leave our love too. Very sad!

[@rickwestlake3048]

I bought my 2001 "Pewter Bullet" C5 convertible in January 2021, and it's what I've done with it that makes it special to me. I've personally put 76,000 miles on the car in less than four years; I've driven four times across the USA, and I've driven it through every one of the Lower 48 states, and Canada west of Quebec. It's no longer a 'beauty queen' in the reckoning of car-show judges, but even with its flaws it is still utterly beautiful in my eyes. And I hope to drive it and enjoy it until I can't drive any more.

[@farcry228]

I am 37. I bought my c3 1978 Corvette about a year ago. I have two small kids 7 and 4 and they love the thing. They always want to help me work on it and love driving around back roads with me. a lot of guys I know at my work are getting into classic cars and c3 Corvettes are very popular because they are often affordable compared to others. I don't see the newer ones being collector cars but I can definitely see the classic one becoming more popular.

[@craigthescott5074]

@@farcry228 nobody thought C3’s would be collector cars either. All Corvettes go thru a phase new, used, to old, semi collectible, highly collectible. It all has to do with rarity, condition and options. The C8 will be a collector car in 30 years when all you can buy is electric cars.

[@thomasschilf3511]

I understand that this is a Corvette channel, but I could not agree more with the content of this video. I am 65 years old and my two garages have 2 69 Camaros, one of which is a Stock Eliminator and an 80 full size Blazer, which was my first new vehicle. They are a joy to work on and I lose total track of time when I am in the garage working on them. They are also a pleasure to drive as the cars are "alive" and you have to "interact" with them, while you are driving. Parked beside one of those cars is a 2000 Camaro SS convertible with a 6-speed. It is fun to drive with the top down, but it does not have the same appeal to me as the other 3 cars, nor is it as much fun to work on as it is already way too complicated and I have a career in electronics. My current daily drive is a '22 Ram 1500 Classic and it has already had to go in for a software update as the radio was draining the battery with the ignition off. The programming, for the transmission is poor, as the car does no slow down when you take your foot off the gas, nor does is upshift properly when the truck is cold. But, I needed something to tow my racecar trailer. As a hands on guy I prefer anything analog. As for the corvettes, I find it a challenge to believe that the classic lines of a C2 have morphed into this angular contraption which bears the name today.

[@luisalvarenga8917]

I Have a 2005 Corvette, I know my son he love it and he trying to take care the car because he loves the American car specially Mustang and Corvette he think those muscle cars are the driving experience more happy and you can feel something when are in one those cars 🚗 This Hobby is life style.

[@joemcclelland65]

Hi Lyle, I have always enjoyed watching your videos and rich wisdom of the corvettes. I completely relate to everything you have said in this video about these cars having sentimental value as they have been a part of our family history and the bond that is formed between all of the relatives keeping them maintained throughout the years.(We have a 1975 Bright Blue Corvette named "Gladys" after my late Grandma that has been in my family for 25 years).So many memories of my loved ones, Grandparents, Aunts, Uncles cousins, Mom, Dad and my Sister having driven, worked on it, took it to car shows etc. A good majority of them have passed away and those memories are a piece of that car's history and Legacy. I feel we are ambassadors to this Awesome Hobby and some people just don't get it, that it is more then just another car. It is a piece of who we are as a people and we honor Our Loved ones by carrying on this historic legacy as it was passed from generation to generation. It will never be the same again. Times change, technology keeps evolving, Loved One's pass away, but the pure joy and love for these cars will never truly die. My wife and I also own a 2000 corvette named after my late mother "Isavel". I felt your genuine message through this video and rest assured I will continue on as well with the "Corvette Legacy" and to see her bring Joy and Smiles to Folks of All Ages makes it even Sweeter. Much Love to All True Car Enthusiasts Brothers and Sisters of All Makes and Models Who Appreciate Them! Love, Your Corvette Brother and True Car Enthusiast, Joe Cool 😎

[@csvette]

Thank you for your lovely message, Joe. You are correct....LOVE is the root of the car hobby, and not just love for the cars but for the memories attached to them involving loved ones that have moved on. Lyle

[@bobhenn1692]

Lyle, Sadly I agree with your thesis. I have 2 C5s and can't see ever parting with them I've also got a 1972 LT1 with air and a MCACN Triple Diamond award. With 3 grandchildren who I have brought into the hobby, I am hopeful that long after "grandpa" is gone, they will drive and enjoy those Vettes.

[@lennyb2238]

You are spot on my friend You said it perfectly. What I wouldn't give to have my 64 convertible back. It was so easy to work on it's not even funny it was a mechanical Corvette not an electrical one God bless you my friend

[@CorvettesandCassicCars]

I agree with you that's why I own a 1975 L82 4 speed Convertible

[@AnnSchoblaske]

As a woman who was gifted my C5 from my brother-in-law, please consider looping women into your comments. I hope my neice's and nephew's will one day take over not Uncle Jim's, but Aunt Ann's C5!

[@danabbene6507]

I think there are a couple of reasons that I can think of off hand why things have changed. People today are more inclined to instant satisfaction and want the latest and greatest. My parents grew up in the depression and every penny counted so they just didn't throw things away, cars or anything else. They kept them as long as possible. Finally, because we had to work on cars ourselves and we could do it, it made us more connected to them. When you bust a knuckle and get the satisfaction of getting points adjusted correctly or fixing anything else, you feel like part of you is in the car. Today I read about having to get the extended warranty and finding a good shop instead of trying to fix anything alone. So they aren't as connected. Just my two cents with just a minute or two of thought.

[@scoutdogfsr]

I'm 55. I have my Grandfather's 1st new truck. It is a 1976 k20 Suburban. It has given us decades of service and the newest generation is using it to learn to drive now. That old girl is as beautiful and well maintained as when my grandfather bought it. It is 100% part of our family. I hope that my children keep my C5 long after I'm gone.

[@jonjansky]

Well said, exactly the things I considered when buying my latest hotrod. Landed on an 06 GTO which was a compromise. However weighing the price, reality of ownership, and the fact that the kids COMFORTABLY fit in the back all with a manual shift V8, the choice was clear. Great write up here, thanks!

[@patrickkeschl596]

Even when we did NOT physically own a corvette (and for many years we didn’t) my father and I attended Corvettes at Carlisle every year. Corvette is in our blood.

[@petercarey5074]

I started my club, Natural Glass Corvette Association in 1971 after I purchased my dream Vette. It's been in existence for over 50 years. But I can't claim credit for keeping the club going in that, as they say, life gets in the way. But I am a member and so is my daughter. Good point Lyle on how "things have changed" as to how we could fairly easily work on our C1's, C2's and C3'a back in the day. Then with the onset of the C4, "things" changed. And now with the C8's, you have to wizard to work on them. Heck, I'm finding new items incorporated into the car that even the manuals don't touch upon. This was great topic for you choose. Save the Wave 🙋‍♂

[@John-tb7mu]

Corvette of Carlisle has changed no more C2 ,C3 corvettes anymore all C8. It appears the C-2 and C-3 people are dying off and there children want C6-C8 Cars. I have a C4 that I can work on my C6 I can only do limited repairs. Being born in 1965 I appreciate the C 2 and C 3 cars the new generations are into Honda, Toyota's and new C8. You are spot on with your comments.

[@lwilliams3544]

I totally agree. I purchased a C6 a year ago and love it. I am able to service my C6. I wanted a C7. But after examining the extra tech that is in the C7. I decided it was over my head. I was not comfortable with relying on the dealer for everything.

[@paulietrunzo4382]

This makes perfect sense to me. I love my 2004 for many reasons, but I love the fact that I can maintain and fix it myself. 🍻 from NY

[@Chris-Nico]

Excellent video and thought provoking. Agreed about the complexity.. my ‘09 C6… love it and plan to keep it until the day I’m gone, love the beauty of the design and curves. Hard to work on? You bet! But I’m blessed to have an excellent local shop that knows the car. One thing I will say about the newer generation is how they self diagnose (OBDII)…. Huge improvement. My brother has a gorgeous’65 and yep simple to work on but ya know not the same safety standards as we have today. Traction control and ABS…. Wow! I also believe the aftermarket will pick up the slack on some material.. but I know it’s a roll of the dice sometimes with that stuff. Keep up the good work Lyle!

[@slswisher]

Lyle never under estimate the people working on cars. Yes it may be difficult now as new but with time things will become known and easier. My C5 looked difficult when new but today I tackle many issues myself. With the help of many including a guy in Florida that teaches me new things every week has made things easier. My Fiero that is mid engine looked impossible when I bought it new. Now 40 years later with knowledge snd The web I can fix about anything. Knowledge is king and in time we will learn more and things become easier. As the prices come down we will tackle these issues make videos share the info. The dropping of the rear package is not much different than the Fiero and even a modern Camaro. Things come out the bottom not the top. You may be shocked in t five years the C8 tech you will be teaching us.

[@jamesbecker3420]

It is not just the working on/repair knowledge, it is also parts availability. I can completely rebuild my C2 with aftermarket parts, not so much with my C6...

[@gonefishing7813]

My 2002 Z06 which I’ve had since new is not going anywhere in my lifetime…just took it to run a few errands…such a nice day today. I think you are correct they are getting very complicated…but is the hobby driving the car or owning and maintaining the car. I like working on it keeping it pristine…few people believe my car is 22 years old…

[@billboyle7866]

Lyle, 95% of the guys I know owning and driving Corvettes are not gear heads. Guys that own cars from the 50s through the 70s grew up with vehicles they could keep and maintain. I own one car that fits into that category and have owned it since new. It is cared for and maintained by me, and it is a family member. The C5 I own is a car with electronic gremlins that I've been able to fix myself, but in doing that, the car has been laid up, out of service for months at a time hunting down those electronic gremlins. I have been successful because of persistence and patience. Newer generations will surely see those gremlins too and the guys I know will be stumped and have to tender their car to "real" Corvette shops to find the problem at a significant cost to them. When more gremlins show up, they will, IMO become frustrated and "dump" their Corvette, seeking out a replacement, a new version with no or little mileage. The Corvette will be passed from one owner to another and some of those gremlins will be fixed, helter/skelter a little at a time, but at a high cost to do so. So, I agree, the Corvette hobby will change dramatically. Second and third owners will bear the brunt of repairs and costly maintenance.

[@AlbertPendergraff-rp7jp]

I had my Corvette since I was 16 years old and my grandpa got for me it's a 1977

[@csvette]

Exactly! I’m glad that you have that heirloom now!😊

[@rondail5675]

Great discussion and many valid points. Young generation has been spoiled because we want better for our children than we had. Many dual income families, college educated, whom pay for lawn-care, house repairs, and car-repairs. Everything is a use and throw-away, TV's, bicycles, furniture, and cars are used till problems arise then sold or junked. Portable cell phones are replaced in 1-2 ears. 21st generations wants latest technology. They had no appreciation for C1-C6 Corvettes which sold to people over 40. Young generation have acquired tastes for German cars, BMW, Porsche, Audi and high-end Japanese cars. C7 is popular to people wanting to stay with a front engine sport's car. The C7 is more visceral. The C8 has open the market to the youths. It has the styling, technology, and exotic allurement . Now after 5 years, seems the market is saturated and prices are dropping quickly and used C8's are depreciating greatly. Will C9 spark new excitement, buying, and trade-ins? Is GM going to switch to more electric, smaller cube-inches, turbo's? Will they have to jump up to Porches prices?

[@labf5213]

Well put sir. I did not know there was such a technological difference between the C5 and C6 so that was new information to me. Thank you for the great work you do for all of us

[@csvette]

Happy to help!

[@nickf2678]

Owned a '77 for a couple of years when I was much younger...sold that a lifetime ago. Bought a '96, 10yrs ago...had nothing for miles on it, put maybe 2k miles on it, and sold that a few years ago. Ordered a new '19...my first brand new 'Vette. I can see everything you said, about parts not being produced long after they've ceased production of a car. Those electrical/electronic parts that fail are what will unfortunately hobble these newer cars. Truthfully, it's what's made me think that, even though I ordered it new, not quite sure it'll be my forever 'Vette...may go back to a C3 someday.

[@in-yo]

I’ve always been a minimalist. I understand why people want all the electronics in their cars. These certainly can improve performance. But I, too, keep cars “forever” and found the electronics start to go way before the life of the cars is over. As long as parts are available, that’s fine…but there is an expense that comes with all the fancy gadgets. I bought a baseline 2008 C6. No heads up display, no magnetic ride, etc. pretty plain. However, far less to go wrong and hope to take the money I saved (and will save on maintenance) and do some other mechanical upgrades that will still aid in performance beyond stock.

[@csvette]

Amen to that!

[@earlbiggers7044]

Good observations on your part Lyle. Perhaps the complexity of the new models will bring about a Renaissance for the C3s (and older) models. It could also boost the creation of more C3 restomods that have some modern features without the incredible complexity of C8s and newer.

[@petermiller9631]

Great video. I have a 1967 that I'm able to work on with just some basic tools. The most advanced item on that car is probably the clock. On the C8 , about all I can do is change the oil, filters and wiper blades. To think that in ten years parts may not be available for a car that you spent $100K+ is crazy. With all the supply issues GM has had with the C8, I don't thing there will be an ample supply of replacement parts in the future.

[@hardknokker]

My "Corvette hobby" is C-4. No interest in buying any of 'em built after it... Parts are easy to find, I can do most repairs/maint. myself . . . and I get plenty of smiles per mile.

[@Hannu_H]

I agree 100 % with you!

[@kenhigginbotham4989]

Lyle, after watching your video about the Corvette Hobby Changing, I began to ruminate on the subject. I have a C3 & a C5 Corvette. Even though I grew up working on my own cars, not a mechanic but more of a parts swapper. Starters, water pumps, alternators, belts, brakes, and clutch assemblies, and most of the other "add on" parts. I am getting to old take on other mechanical task. That being said I believe there will be a need for older folks like me learning how to repair the moduals that are becoming obsolete. This should be something I can do on a work bench. Thank you for the idea. I am like you in that I keep my cars longer than most. I have a 1969 Camaro that I have had for 40 years, a 1972 Monte Carlo for almost 30 years. Part of the family as you say.

[@patrickhumpal8651]

I bought my ‘02 Vert new and drove it 146,000 fabulous miles! I’m 81 and would like to pass the Vette along to someone in the family. Sadly, no seems interested. Not sure what to do-I guess I’ll keep it, but it’s getting harder to enter and exit!😂🙄

[@garymessina8692]

Love my C5Z you do all the work on it knightdrive lights in Jan see you soon

[@garrymurphy6454]

Good Morning Lyle. Very interesting to hear your comments. I totally agree with you on one's ability to work on the newer corvettes. I think one reason I see prices headed upward on the C3 generation of Corvettes reflects the fact that C3 is the last of the "older" mechanical vehicles that are pretty straight forward to work on. Unlike the later plastic driven cars, C1 and C2 were metal based with a much more satisfying feel when repairing or replacing parts. Working on an engine with nothing but the engine without all the smog stuff was a good feeling. Finally, we are seeing a different generation buying Corvettes today. They are not so inclined to hang onto "stuff" as the baby boomers. I have a 1975, 1982 and 1999 Corvette, recently acquired as I go into retirement. We shall see how the mechnics compare from the old to the new. Wanted to get a C2 but taking out a second mortage was not in the offering. Really enjoy the channel. I am located in Jacksonville, FL. Thank you

[@capricetony]

I know this is a Corvette channel, but I am 50 years old still own my 1987 Iroc-Z 5.7L since I was 21, still 100% stock and original. Purchased from the original owner, it’s just part of me, I have done 98% of my own repairs.

[@braddietzmusic2429]

Pragmatic and thoughtful perspectives, and thank you so much for that.

[@richardpipher3434]

You are right on your thoughts. Since GM walks away pretty quickly on supporting their flagship product is a negative for me buying another corvette . Porsche continues to provide parts for their cars since inception. That continues to help support the value of these cars and keeps folks involved in their brand. The complexity of all our cars and our our inability to do a lot of work on our cars is another negative. Which makes me look at the older models as a possible replacement car.

[@limobill9427]

Great video, thanks for sharing. I've owned C4 Corvettes for the past 30 years, love them! I currently have a 94 red on red 6-speed, since 2006. I totally agree that the personal relationship with the Corvette will continue to be in decline for years to come, unfortunately. 😔

[@davenobleswimmer7235]

I like your observation of the changing market, Unfortunately I think you are correct. Now days it seems that items we buy become throwaways. To bad that some electronic company does not see a nitch market to begin making electronic parts for the C5 and C6 and soon for the C7's.

[@randygibson2615]

Never thought about it but there is wisdom in your words. I now foresee keeping my '94 / C4 Coupe a lot longer than I imagined! Still a bit nervous on the electronics of the a/c and Bose radio systems but so far they are all working perfectly so she's a keeper! I've been able to do most work myself, too. I too hope this car stays in the family long after I've gone.

[@joethompson-tv1ss]

Yea, 25 year owner of my 99 C5 here. I'm keeping it.

[@BretBurkholder]

Well Lyle you succeeded in scaring the crap out of me with this one! I JUST BOUGHT my dream C6 a little over a month ago after saving/penny-pinching for over 50 years. I smile each time I pop the top and go for a cruise. Hearing that supplies will likely be drying up thus making the 6,7 [and even 8] beautiful paperweights. My question: isn't this the kind of 'opportunity' some business types who love Corvette might decide to produce after-market replacement parts? I am probably naive in asking the question, but I really hoped to pass my Vette onto my kids [I'm 69 now] or will trade-up to a C7 or maybe C8. Anyway I hear the logic in what you're saying, but I hope some new resources emerge. Anyway, I always enjoy your posts and they DID help me become fairly savvy in shopping for my Corvette. Love the car and its TOTAL American tradition/history! Stay well my man.

[@sandwinder326]

Like I posted. earlier, the aftermarket or OEM manufacturers would make parts if they were needed and profitable. Too many Corvette owners choose to stare at their cars instead of drive them which means things don't need replacing as often compared to other types of vehicles. There is no money in making parts that sit on shelves until a garage queen might need it in 20 years

[@NotOnYourLife]

Perfect video Lyle! The vehicle relationship goes beyond the Corvette for me. While I love my 89 6 speed vert, I have a much deeper relationship to both of my 2003 GMT800 trucks, a 2003 Yukon XL Denali and a 2003 2500HD. I won't sell them and get something newer, I can still work on them at 60 years old and parts are still available and cheap. My wife buys a new Chevy truck every few years and doesn't really understand my desire to keep my old ones going (they have required very little) yet when we take our annual cross country trips we take the Yukon. She thought I was nuts for buying the C4 but I can work on it and it brings a huge smile to my face when I drive it and thanks to people like you I can still mostly get parts for it.

[@davidread1817]

I own a 75 C3 corvette had it 4 years now and I love tinkering around on it. Just simple not complicating.

[@darrellturtleneck9712]

I have a neighbor who owns 6 cars, 5 of which are classics and 1 of which is a C-2 Corvette. He says most Corvette owners are crazy, that they have Corvette rooms, Corvette clothes and obsess about their cars. I have 5 cars, 2 of which are older Corvettes. They aren't family members. This may be a hobby but they are still just cars. Love your channel.

[@craigthescott5074]

@@darrellturtleneck9712 you just haven’t owned your older vettes long enough. I’ve had my C2 since 1983 longer than I’ve had my children.

[@markiuzzolino]

I purchased last year my first corvette, 2018 C7 Z06 with a millennial anti theft device, manual transmission. It’s white with red interior, red calipers, gloss black wheels, and all carbon black ground effects. It’s beautiful. I intend on keeping it for as long as I can drive it. I’m 66. I would love to also purchase a 2024 or 25 C8 Z06. If I do, the C7 would become my weekend fun car. I have done a few things myself, a ported throttle body, exhaust and high performance air filter. It did go into limp mode once and I had no idea what to do. So I got a code reader and deleted the CE codes and it never happened again. But if it didn’t correct itself, I would be forced to bring it to a shop. When I was a kid I had a 67 Nova three on the tree straight six, and worked on that car all the time. I used to fall asleep under the car just thinking about the things I could work in. Thanks for the video, Lyle.

[@tspence6671]

That is a great car you got yourself. However, insulting an entire generation is unnecessary. I know more millennials who daily drive manuals that I do Gen x and Baby Boomers. I think you are not realizing a majority of Millenials are in their 30s and 40s now. They aren’t in college eating avocado toast anymore. Additionally, who is to blame for the so called Millennials not driving manuals, or any other perceived problem they “created?” The people who raised them, who quit buying manuals. Just stop it, it has a manual transmission, end of story.

[@markiuzzolino]

@@tspence6671 take a chill pill. I can’t believe you spent that much time on a non-issue.

[@frankpavan7865]

Hi Lyle, These are questions which were posed probably back in the days when man went from horse-drawn carrige to the automobile. No more love affair with horses which kind of happened overall. This connection with the corvette may be diluted in the future as well because of technology. Heart felt observations. Thank you !

[@andyjimmacvideo]

This is a great Corvette analysis Lyle. I'll keep my 1990 C4 for a while and continue enjoy what it brings to me. Thanks

[@charlesking1244]

Man As A Early Production Of A 1968 427 Big Block Corvette My Father Passed On To Me, You Motivate Me More Than Ever To Get Back To It, It’s Been Part Of The Family Since 1970, Now Stowed In Storage, A Slow Restoration Is What’s Next For My Other Baby.. Thank You Sir, Please Keep Up The Great Content..

[@PAULBERRY-h2l]

Lyle, you’re right on about the subject matter - I’ve loved every minute working on my 03 and yes, it becomes you. I would be afraid of a new one that I couldn’t get my hands dirty on - I would lose a piece of the love that goes along with owning a Vette …

[@jjnj1982]

One of the main reasons I picked up my ‘96 LT4 is because I felt like it was something that I could still wrench on. I’ve had multiple minor issues that I was able to repair without buying any specialty tools. Rebuilding the headlight mechanisms, fuel pump, fuel pressure regulator, resealing the intake manifold….All easily achieved in my driveway. That makes my drives in the car that much more special.

[@richardharrisphd]

Spot on. Also, for us seniors, physical and psychological durability fades a bit. Bonded to the C1's (1960 & 1961, which I restored). Recently, spent 12 years restoring a basket case 58 to stock condition - for family and community. Not many left. 3 years ago gave it to my son. Keep it in the family. I enjoy him enjoying it and continually sharing it with the community; many of whom have never seen one yet marvel at its beauty. Some values are more important than those financially based. By the way, I now have a C5 (convert & 6sp) and drive it almost daily. My "new" commitment to, and bonding with, Corvettes.

[@csvette]

I love everything you wrote here, Richard.

[@michaellowery928]

Great perspective and insight from someone in the know. Keep 'em coming!

[@csvette]

Thank you! Will do!!

[@vanhobbs9299]

Lyle. I own a 60th Anniversary edition 427 convertible. I bought it and paid extra for an extended warranty that does not expire until April 2025. I lost a wheel center cap…part discontinue (found a set on EBay)…pull down motor went out…part discontinued (got a pull down motor from a salvage yard)…. Now the heat/AC control module will not change the air flow…to no surprise the control module is discontinued. I Love the car but you’re right it’s getting hard to find new parts. I also have a 2003 GT Mustang convertible and can find parts all day long. Want to keep my Corvette and hand down to son but you’ve given me something to think about. Thanks for your insight and your channel Van

[@joshuajones8505]

Where I see the community going is an interesting concept. You mentioned it in a video probably a little less than a year ago. The community seems to be splitting. I think it would be good for the community to be more in unity. But it looks as though it is splitting. I see the newer Corvette owners being more like you described in this video. But with some enthusiasts who do their repairs and keep the hobby. Then I see the older Corvette owner working on and maintaining their cars and hobbies. And some enthusiasts who really do some ingenious things for their cars and the hobby. These enthusiasts will change things in an incredible way. Keep those younger people in the shop. Learning, growing, and creating. This is going to be amazing. We will be part of it.

[@mikejameson1081]

Looks like I will be staying with my C4 . I have to say it is difficult to get into it and difficult to get out of it. But I ENJOY driving it. So far I have been able to repair it. When I no longer can either repair it or get in and out of it I will let someone else enjoy it, Or not,it's their choice.

[@daves4202]

As a 2003 C5 owner whose EBCM recently failed, I feel this. I sent it out to a reputable "Fixer" recommended on the forums for repair but I was told the +5v power supply was damaged and not repairable. Now I'm looking for a working replacement. Lyle, if you have a source for one, please let me know!

[@Glenn-s6h]

Lyle: great video as usual. Thanks for helping to keep the hobby alive. That said, while I agree with all your comments and prognostications, I think folks are missing the bigger picture. In my mind, what's been driving the entire collector's car market are the baby boomers with lots of disposable cash. I would bet that most of the comments below were made by guys like me, "senior citizens". In about 25 years when the youngest baby boomer turns 85'ish and theoretically should stop driving and wrenching on cars the market for collector cars will turn south in a big way. Of course, that assumes we're still driving cars and not flying around like the Jetson's.

[@rollietrayte1332]

Bought my first Corvette - a red `64 air coupe- in 1974 - - have had 15 over the years and most certainly, the complexity has changed but the enjoyment hasn't changed a bit- save the wave!

[@ZZ48UUP]

Long live all the Corvettes with a manual transmission!

[@bobr511]

There was an earlier comment about GM needing to see your video. As an NCRS member, I recall seeing the new 1980 at one of our events, with a couple of Chevy execs attending. They were not happy with our comments about that car and what we thought about what they were moving towards even back then. They are in business to sell a product. The dream that they sold became our hobby. So as long as there are kids that say WOW when they see a car that makes them tingle, there will still be people that will buy them. Funny thing though, as technology moves forward even I was forced to make a choice to move from my ‘73 after 22 years of ownership to a C6. My wife would not ride in it anymore because it did not have shoulder belts nor airbags.

[@HerbieYeah]

Good Luck over there! 👍🏻👍🏻 🙏🏻🙏🏻✌🏻😎

[@eddiponzio5080]

Lyle I own a C3 1980. She’s my first and last Corvette. I have owned her going on 3 years in February. I have bonded with my Corvette. I have zero interest in moving into a newer generation. I am not a mechanic but I love detailing her and making her better everyday with several investments I have made.I have not done the work I have an excellent trusted mechanic. What I have done is planned the investments. Tires- Ceramic coat - rear leaf spring - magnaglow exhaust- red t tops - stereo etc. So in closing for me the hobby is alive and well for me. My car is at her forever home and I’m proud to own her. My God she has her own playlist! Lol 😂 This is a great topic. Thank you

[@johnnyirwin9838]

Never owned a corvette would love to . I listen to you all the time great information sir.😊🇺🇸😊🇺🇸

[@toddhayes-r3e]

Good observation, I work for the largest German auto parts supplier and several of us have made the same observation, noted is the almost complete absence of C5 Corvettes on the road up in Michigan, I personally have a 1969 and a 1995, both can be maintained and kept running with a bit of skill, the sad fact is that with fairly limited demand there is just not the incentive for a company to keep supplying electronics or parts for these vehicles, I long thought that someone with the means would do very well tooling up to repair electronic modules but then again a lot of parts even if they have a large stock in reserve have a "Shelf Life" and die just due to age alone or are utterly just not servicable. Sadly as these newer cars age they will be relegated to "Relic" status and become static displays.

[@poonpoonsmith399]

You are so correct in your thoughts. I currently own my first corvette, a 2024 C8. I love the car, but I've already said I can't wait to trade my C8 in for a new C9. I also own a 2005 Honda S2000, and I have no plans on ever selling that car.

[@CrazyPetez]

I owned a ‘69 convertible from 1970, to about 2010 it was well cared for.

[@josephbooher2324]

I own the '96 Collector Edition and just love this car! I understand what you are saying and probably what I would do is change out suspension, etc if ever need be and a different motor but keep the style that my "Wicked Lady" is❤😊

[@ExaILt]

Lyle, I’m 34 and I’m on my 2nd Corvette. My first was a 13 GS that I destroyed when I hit a deer. I too had a connection with that car and I weeped over it on the side of the road. But I recently bought a 15 Z06 and like my first Vette, I LOVE the car. While there are some things I can’t do with it because I’m not savvy enough, my dad left me a 76 Trans Am that I can do everything I need to with my own hands. But I intend on holding my Z06 for as long as I’m around. Cheers

[@csvette]

You are very fortunate to have that '76 from your Dad...yes, it is a cool car that can be kept running virtually forever, but the direct connection to your Dad is what makes that car so special. Enjoy both cars and let us know if you need anything ! Lyle

[@ShannonSerena-p9n]

I am receiving my father’s C6 Convertible Corvette in the up coming weeks. I am about to turn 46 and really appreciate my father’s car. We do have different taste in what we like when it comes to colors but I have decided to keep his car exactly as he has it. With all that said and more on to your point. Many people today do not have a home let alone spare garage space to keep a car. Many can’t afford an additional expense like insurance or registration depending where you live. I feel so blessed that I am able to afford this car and have the room for it. I think times have changed so much that we also fail to honor those before us too. I hope in the future we have a great economy and one that would allow our children to keep our beloved Corvettes one day too.

[@csvette]

I agree 100%. I have been at this shop for 25 years and owned my house for 20. I work very hard, and I barely make it financially. Everything has gotten so expensive that improving one's home (if you are lucky enough to have bought one 2 decades ago) or putting money aside for a rainy day or retirement is impossible. We just limp along with our collective noses just above water level. It frustrates me to no end. I hope that things do get better for my son and for all of the younger people I know and love. Lyle :)

[@thomasfastiggi6306]

At 70, my 1995 Corvette is becoming more and more difficult to get in and out of. It’s not going to be a long-term in my family that’s for sure. But as to your video, Lyle, I think what will happen is that the newer models will end up in a pattern of higher turnover, but at the same time because of, their ease of service sexy looks and good old fun 1960s era Corvettes will continue to appreciate value. Like an old pair of shoes, that’s where I think the love will be.

[@robarnt6]

At this year's Corvette Rally in Eureka Springs AR. I'll be on the lookout for this fellow who shows up in his C3. He stashes a walker behind the driver's seat. You'll never hear me utter words to the effect that my C6 is becoming more and more difficult to get in and out of.

[@richarddobreny6664]

After re-acquiring my 2008 Pace car, I now have my forever car. I do most of my own work on it now. Only thing I took it in for was the harmonic balancer as I do not have a lift. Replaced radiator and the starter this year. Every winter I have small projects going to keep the car in top notch condition! I do plan on passing it down to my son

[@cluelesszmedia]

very interesting thoughts, i plan on keeping my base c6 for as long as my family name stays, but i sure do understand my grand kids might not understand what it meant in the first place, i guess all we can do is pass the love and knowledge along before they lose their hopes!