The Cost of Unmasking Antifa | Peter Boghossian & Andy Ngo

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Journalist Andy Ngo has been in the news regarding the conclusion of his civil lawsuit against Rose City Antifa. Members of the Portland “anti-fascist” group assaulted Andy multiple times since 2019, putting him in the hospital with a brain hemorrhage. Despite a plethora of video evidence, the jury cleared the assailants of responsibility on August 8. Andy and one of his lawyers discussed juror intimidation by the defense lawyer and other Antifa members with Laura Ingraham.
Peter Boghossian and Andy had this conversation prior to the conclusion of the trial. They have been friends for years, first meeting at Portland State University in 2015 when Peter was a professor and Andy was a graduate student.
Peter and Andy share their first-hand experience with the damage Social Justice ideology has inflicted on Portland, Oregon. They discuss the decline in crime prevention by police and citizens, including the national effect of former US Marine Daniel Penny’s indictment.
Andy explains why left-wing violence is tolerated and even encouraged. Many academics have ties to violent extremists (or are violent extremists themselves) and activist journalists provide narratives that justify vitriol toward their ideological enemies. Andy explains how left-wing radicalization begins as early as elementary school.
Andy and Peter were previously involved in secular activism. They consider the consequences of bartering fealty to traditional religions in exchange for Wokism. Peter describes his Pollyanna expectation for a new age of rational flourishing and his surprise at the secular pseudo-religious outcome.
Also discussed: moral triaging, identity vs. class, epistemological paralysis, Billboard Chris, trans militancy, preferred pronouns, and the ineffectiveness of anonymity.
Andy Ngo is the author of the #1 national bestseller, Unmasked: Inside Antifa’s Radical Plan to Destroy Democracy. His articles can be found in The Wall Street Journal, Newsweek, Quillette, New York Post, Fox News, and other publications. Andy is Senior Editor at The Post Millennial.
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
2:20 Implications of Daniel Penny case in NYC
13:30 Portland
16:42 Voting Behaviors
27:00 Policing and crime
37:55 PSU event / Radicalization in education
53:45 Vitriol Andy faces
1:03:18 Andy’s work
1:09:30 Media landscape
1:12:30 How Andy is doing
1:18:30 Religious elements in Social Justice
1:26:25 Trans issues
1:35:00 The broader Culture War
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[@dukecity7688]

I'm old. Live in Boston. I wish we had more people like you. I was a registered Dem for over fourty years. Marched against the Vietnam war. Three weeks after Trump was elected I went to a massive protest. Biggest crowd I ever saw on the Common. On stage were Ed Markey and Elizabeth Warren. There were about four American flags on the stage. I was the only person at a protest for the US President and I was the only person carrying an American flag. Not a real big one. Out of (they said) over half a million people. I was the only one with an American flag. Everyone thought I was a Trump supporter. I never felt more alone. Then I lived in a women's shelter for a year w close to two dozen trans - women. It was a life altering experience. I am a fan of Andy and support him in his brave effort to uncover ANTIFA. THEY are the fascists. Thank you sir.

[@theinnerlight8016]

Men with cosmetic surgery in women's shelters... They get into girls locker rooms without hormones or surgery these days. Madness is what that is. 😮

[@realMaverickBuckley]

They have transses in Womens shekters in America? Good grief 😳

[@ninjawizard3865]

​@@realMaverickBuckleyGeuss you didn't hear about the ones who transferred to womans prisons, and can you geuss what happened?

[@dukecity7688]

@@realMaverickBuckley Are you kidding?

[@dukecity7688]

@@ninjawizard3865 Scotland and GB are a sewer. They arrested a fifteen year old dyslexic girl cause she told a cop she looked like her lesbian grandma. No First Amendment there.

[@Anne_Onymous]

Watching Americans voluntarily hand their country and freedoms away to corrupt entities has been very disheartening. Nice to hear sane voices like this while it all burns down so I feel less crazy.

[@zizendorf]

Right... it's all burning down. Hyperbole much? I don't no of one single person, or family that's having any difficulties in the spheres of influence in their lives. Yet, thank you social media, the country's burning down... Right! Time and effort would be better spent on real problems - poverty, education, and pollution.

[@Anne_Onymous]

@@zizendorf My use of hyperbolic language trigger you hun? It's kinda funny though because during the riots, my neighborhood literally was burning down. 😉

[@zizendorf]

@@Anne_Onymous So, where you living now? How long have you been living in Liberalville and when did you start hating it, hun? (I don't do triggers nor micro-aggressions.)

[@mattwilliams3427]

@@Anne_Onymousoh, you found yourself a cultist troll. Haha. This should be fun to watch. 🍿 z doesn’t really know what to say about your neighborhood burning, standby for deflection, pivoting and vague arguments. 😂

[@marwar819]

zizen: Your parroted head-in-sand argument is nonsensical. The culture war effects health care, poverty and education and much more.

[@merrick8000]

Andy Ngo is a gentleman, scholar, embodies the essence of journalism, and proper legend.

[@CDV99]

Pretty simple, the majority of Portland voters value "diversity & equity" over law enforcement and safety.

[@dks13827]

and don't forget it !!!!!!!!!!!!

[@jamesdellaneve9005]

I go to Portland and the local towns at least once per year. That seems to be the case.

[@freddieoblivion6122]

Yea, but they value those things simply because their iphone programmed them to. It's easy to convince people of the value of those concepts after they've been convinced that everybody is basically the same regardless of race and upbringing and all the criminals are actually Aladdin and they just need an unearned opportunity to become the next great generation of Americans.

[@jan9562]

Without open conversation about what that might mean, it's not a real choice.

[@jamesdellaneve9005]

@@jan9562 Not sure about what you mean about open conversation. I don’t think that there is much objective conversation about what is happening up there and why. It seems to be an ideological echo chamber. Not diverse at all. Rank and file Portlanders are leaving now.

[@mortagon1451]

Andy is doing great work. I wish him all the best.

[@Clem62]

You've both inspired me and many others to be brave.

[@drpeterboghossian]

🙌

[@thistles]

Just saw the intro so far, and I already have the warm fuzzies 🥰

[@DaniTofte]

The problem with Dylan Mulvaney specifically is that he promotes the transition of children. I did notice, Pete, that you referred to him as “he”. It’s obvious that he’s not an actual transsexual like Blaire or Buck; it’s obvious that he is simply a flamboyant gay man, transing away the gay. I personally find him offensive. As a woman, I do not play with Barbies, I do not hike in high heels, and I do not act like a flamboyant gay man. He’s offensive to actual women, just as a minstrel in blackface would be offensive to a black person.

[@crystalkeara8868]

Never stop speaking the truth. Both of you have made a huge difference in the way I now see the world. You’ve not only changed my mind, but so many others. People are waking up.

[@matthewscott4629]

Congratulations. Most people refuse to change positions/their minds

[@crystalkeara8868]

@@matthewscott4629 For me it was relatively easy because I never had a hard stance in any particular direction. Politically I’m not left or right. I consider myself center right on most issues, but I understand that we are all different so I’m more liberal when it comes to people’s personal lives. It’s interesting that the left is pushing their beliefs on others when they have always said they were against that. I thought that being liberal meant we didn’t have to have religious beliefs shoved down our throats. This is exactly what they are doing. When the left days their soul doesn’t match their body that is religious talk. It’s not science, it’s 💯 in the religious realm. This is the United States we have religious freedom. I don’t have to believe in the leftist ideology/theology. They are being hypocrites! Now that my eyes and mind are open it’s clear to me how hypocritical they are on so many issues. I don’t understand how they don’t see that they are the ones being racist, homophobic and so on. It’s not the right, the right just wants to be left alone

[@HolyCanoley]

Ug, Peter's OK...but sheesh, Andy Ngo? I swear, Peter's shtick started off great, and had some insightful/thoughtful conversations...but man, this interview was amateur hour right here.

[@jason666king]

Andy is a hero. Period.

[@alicee2952]

My heart broke a little When Andy talked about these friends that betrayed him. Back when all this craziness was happening in Portland I was on Twitter a lot and heard about his assault. I didn't know who he was and I thought it was terrible what happened to him but some people who I thought I generally sided with said he deserved worse. I was dumbfounded and that was my slow dissent out of being a lefty. Then I started following Andy because I found him to be honest. I was pissed what was happening in our city. Antifa just seemed like brown shirts to me, stupid and violent.

[@sarahl9209]

I was on the "woke" left during the trump years and thought Andy was an evil ultra right-wing villain. I listened to NPR, Slate, Pod Save America, etc.. You cannot listen to Andy Ngo and think anything of the sort. I was lied to and fell for it, among other lies I believed (it wasn't until 2022 that I figured out that Kyle Rittenhouse had NOT murdered 2 Black men in cold blood...). And I've lost friends who still believe all the lies; they refuse to listen.

[@dontarguewithidiots7459]

The woke mind virus is very strong. VERY. One thing I DO know? If you ditch a friend because of political ideology YOU are the asshole. It's that simple.

[@KeoneStevans]

Portlander here…As someone that works downtown often i can say that no amount of public policy reform can bring the businesses back and the urban core has been in a death spiral of blight that is only going to accelerate as the economy deteriorates. Its like a ghost town at dark on a weekend night. Nothing open, no reason to be there. I saw Ted Wheeler speak at a conference recently…he spent the whole time making excuses for the state of the city, and I felt sorry for him. No matter what he did or didn’t do at this point the public writ large would pillory him. He talked about the challenges of redesigning the entire 🎉city government and how unprepared they were to do so coming on the heels of the riots and pandemic. And the truth is the kind of people best suited to lead don’t want the job. The bureaucrats that run things aren’t the best and brightest, they are comfortable salaried ideologically captured liberals who lack the political will to do what must be done. The only thing that will work is a Judge Dredd type authoritarianism response, and that comes with its own problems…

[@Libertariun]

The Left already have a plan for you. Leave now.

[@MrsRitchieBlackmore]

Wow. Agreed 100%. As a former Portlander, I have had many spirited discussions as to how/if Portland can be saved. I've basically come to the same conclusion as you have - nothing short of absolute authoritarian takeover can save that place. Someone like DeSantis in FL or Youngkin in VA can work because they are in "purple" states. But OR/Portland is so hard left that any meaningful change would have to be forced very much against the people's will.

[@07wrxtr1]

because you have to be a father to millions of adult children that IS the population of Portland - this is WHY they hated Trump so much. He reminded them of a father figure they were trained to reject - but - secretly (they won't tell you this!!) - Many leftists actually WISH they had a father with balls/personality/protection/attitude like Trump. Don't believe me? You get a leftist and a chad type of guy together long enough - she'll forget all about her politics and revert back to her natural state of being - this is why over thousands of years - women would sleep with the invading tribe. Leftists in general - are disloyal opportunistic individuals - They will PRETEND to be with the group - but - they - like the snake eating tail - always will form new splinter groups and the infighting will always happen because they have no real common bond rooted in the bible/god/higher order. Leftist believe THEY ARE GODs themselves. IT's quite hilarious really.... I wonder what it's like rolling out of bed as a leftist: "...just anotha day in Portland knowing everything, damn I'm the best!" My solutions for Portland are as follows: 1) EVERYONE working within gov't = gets to go to talk therapy for their MOMMY DADDY issues. DAILY cry sessions. 2) EVERYONE receiving "ANY" gov't assistance = Talk therapy for their MOMMY DADDY issues. This is where you must start - healing from the past. Until people heal from the past - they cannot ever make logical accurate choices in the present. These people have adopted mal-adaptive coping mechanisms and that's why they picked the leftist subscription model for their identity. You have to solve the ontological as well as existential crisis before they can become responsible rational productive individuals who can make voting choices that actually help people. Ever heard the saying: "hurt people hurt people" ? That's the issue with Portland. The entire reason why "misery loves company"

[@occamsblunderbuss7920]

Why does he have a pillow on his lap? I'm so baked I can't tell if it's weird or not.

[@gg_rider]

​@@occamsblunderbuss7920 comfort? Uncomfortable discussion.

[@name-vi6fs]

Andy doesn't want Portland to fail. He must really have a love for what it used to be.

[@richbirecki]

This is a great conversation. Thanks for presenting so honestly Peter. I can feel your frustration and I have left the USA altogether

[@dks13827]

Amazing how few of our 'leaders' defend law, truth, justice, right vs wrong.

[@brianmeen2158]

Truth is the big one. I’ve come to the realization that the truth doesn’t even matter in the political realm - it’s just about getting power and throwing out endless propaganda .. I’ve found maybe 10% of the population is even willing to change their mind

[@hermitpermit2553]

Thoughroughly enjoyed how earnest this conversation was. This young man seems like a genuine and particularly thoughtful human. Thanks again, Peter & co. These chats keep me sane , from a random, open minded person in NZ :)

[@silaslizzie43]

Thank you, from Portland. We ARE the government. Let's stop this insanity. Speak up.

[@jlldancer6]

Andy comes off as shy, gentle and obviously courageous because he keeps fighting. Just a really likable person. You are the people on the left I want to move forward with as a country. from Your Friendly Christian conservative (Nazi 🙄). We are listening and not just to the parts we agree with.

[@Kojwills]

🍻Cheers, well said.

[@marchair]

Exactly this. I disagree with most of Peter’s views, but I follow him because I get a sense that he wants what’s best for family, city, and country. I do too; we just have different approaches to how we achieve that. Andy Ngo is brave and thoughtful, and deserves as much support as we can give him. All round good convo between the two.

[@Madonnalitta1]

Andy is so decent and genuine, even to those that I couldn't be civil to. He's suffered alot for reporting honestly when many wouldn't. We appreciate it, Andy. Stay safe.

[@Ifailedeverything]

Most people, after a violent attack like what happened to Andy Ngo, would throw in the towel an no one would blame him. Andy will not let it go with Antifa. It’s amazing really the courage of this man.

[@andrewpotter4131]

Andy Ngo WARRIOR !

[@CaptainPhilosophical]

Can we stop categorizing these perpetrators as homeless? It makes it seem as if it's a housing issue when in reality it's a crazy issue. They need mental health care.

[@genghiskengmail]

In Australia sometimes It's not even a mental health issue either. Some are homeless because of things they did in the past that makes them unable to be housed. E.g. using their gov housing for drug deals, damaging the property and not fixing it, selling the curtains that used to come with all gov housing, living with a partner so they can rent their allocated gov house etc. Others make a choice that they'd rather live in the streets couch surfing so that they don't have to pay rent.

[@CaptainPhilosophical]

@@genghiskengmail wtf is buying used curtains? Lol

[@crazierthan-u7571]

The persecution of this courageous young American journalist is a national disgrace. Seeing Andy in this podcast breaks my heart. I pray he can stay strong and only wish I could help him somehow.

[@cl4998]

Agreed.

[@jorgemartinez42069]

I mean he is blatantly dishonest, not a great quality in a journalist. Sadly, that's almost all journalists these days though.

[@johnbuckner2828]

@@jorgemartinez42069 Check out Nellie Bly & her Asylum exposé; she pretty much pioneered undercover journalism in the US. Sometimes going undercover for investigative journalism is commendable, especially when the individual or group you’re infiltrating is publicly lying, and can cause harm if not exposed.

[@crazierthan-u7571]

@@jorgemartinez42069 Did you watch this interview?

[@genghiskengmail]

@@jorgemartinez42069 What has he been dishonest about?

[@lolalaise4530]

Killing it with these interviews! I swear one day these will be used in a documentary called “what on earth happened to the west”

[@margaretcadogan5199]

respect to both

[@wearelightbeings]

I’ve lived a little less than 2 hours from Portland, since I was 7. In my teen years once I got my license I used to go up there with friends all the time, almost every weekend. It was a super fun and vibrant place to be. Fast forward about 15 years and it’s become a place I would never take my kids for a weekend. My husband just went up there for his job last week and a homeless man started banging on the hood of his car and threatening him in a parking lot. Such an amazing city has become degenerate and it really is sad.

[@oldkoot5828]

The homeless guy needs a Penny hold.

[@drpeterboghossian]

This conversation was recorded before Andy's civil lawsuit. See the links in the description for more information.

[@Spectr3]

It would be fantastic for you quickly to have & publish another conversation post lawsuit.

[@jswets5007]

1:24:08 Now you understand what Thomas Jefferson and the rest of the founding fathers understood.

[@LouisGedo]

So many awesome people and interviews and discussions! Thank you Peter! SHARED!

[@LouisGedo]

5:52 🤣

[@MrsRitchieBlackmore]

​@@Spectr3YES, especially given the absolute miscarriage of justice it was.

[@isanynameavailable6]

I hate the fact that so many people will suffer the consequences of electing leftist leaders but at the same time I feel like we should allow some of the cities to burn. This is what they wanted and despite the horror they refuse to acknowledge the reality of their policies. As a Minnesota native I watched the twin cities burn, I recently spoke to a woman who commutes to Minneapolis for work and she was recounting how one morning while she was on the interstate coming into the city and everything was on fire she said she just broke down and sobbed. She said it was so sad to see people destroying their own communities.

[@freddieoblivion6122]

Perhaps they do need a reminder of why the walls are there in the first place. We've maybe had it too good for too long.

[@MoonshineH]

It would be awesome if there actually were leftist candidates to vote for.

[@BlyGuy]

I don't think it was people burning their own community. I think it was out of town agitators, some of them on their own accord and some paid by people like Soros.

[@Madonnalitta1]

No. Just no. That's Mao bs. There will be plenty of people who were duped by the state apparatus, and voted Dems. There will also be Independents, Republicans, and the non political. None of those people, none, deserves violence.

[@isanynameavailable6]

@@MoonshineH what would you consider to be leftist? Self proclaimed socialists and commies? Honest question

[@cnrspiller3549]

Omg! That intellectuals such as Peter and Andy are having to slow down to explain why not funding the police might just be a bad idea, is so exhausting to listen to. It's like listening to Professor Stephen Hawking explain why placing your hands in a fire will hurt you, and then listening to him explain why pain is bad. Exhausting!

[@afuzzycreature8387]

and yet people still don't understand

[@awarewolves1712]

It's funny because without the police antifa would've been wrecked in the streets a long time ago. Typical RCP/Maoist tactics, start shit then run and hide behind the State you hate. Nothing new, I've seen it dozens of times. The deep irony of it is that so many of them actually believe that they're "anarchists."

[@OneTheBlue]

It does not appear that you understand what is meant by, "defund the Police". It is not about abolishing cops. IT is about allowing them to focus on what they are good at, while other professionals do things that cop are not good at. You have been lied to by the right.

[@cnrspiller3549]

@@OneTheBlue you have been lied to, or you are lying to yourself. If the intention of the Defund the Police protest was to fund the police differently and redistribute their workload, why didn't the idiots say that? No. This was a knee-jerk reaction amongst an already pre-primed population of aggrieved reverse-racists, out for revenge for long-past injustices. Most liberals in the US believe that thousands of black people are routinely gunned down by racist cops every year (check out the surveys) In reality, as tragic as they are, such death rates, year after year are consistently in low double digits. Who exactly has been lied to? Defund the police means exactly what the dumb slogan says ... ie, take away all the money from the police so we no longer have any police. Now the extreme, whipped up emotions have died down, all those lunatics who yelled Defund the Police, realise how mental that sounds and so now they are lying about what they "really meant" I am sick of leftists telling me I've been lied to. All the most audacious lies from Marx onwards are leftist lies.

[@vergedrums]

You two have been real sources of inspiration for me. Just to keep going and not back down to the craziness. Thanks! 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼

[@nastja33]

the approach to adult transition used to be 2 years of living as the opposite sex - name, pronouns, clothing style, and working or studying during that 2 years. this was to give them a good dose of what life would be like. plus therapy. i think it's a good safeguarding measure. the other interesting snippet is a UK guy, Az Hakeem used to run a support group where men wanting the surgery got to talk with men who had had the surgery. it resulted in very low rates of men pursuing the surgery. so they need to exposed to reality before they do this. 18 with no safeguarding measures is too young

[@msaveourgirls9068]

YES!!!! A thousand times THIS!

[@jamesclark6487]

2 years is a good window of time to milk money from someone that's mentally unstable before letting the surgical demons take their pound of flesh, ruin them financially and physically.

[@costernocht]

Total respect for Andy!

[@dawnemile7499]

Ron DeSantis just suspended a DA who refused to do her job.

[@MrsRitchieBlackmore]

YES, he's weeding out those Soros DA's...🎉🎉🎉 Portland needs someone like him, but sadly they'd never EVER vote for it, even when the "unhoused" are starting tent fires in their suburban yards.

[@carsondyle1793]

Peter used to live 5 mins from me in Portland. I’m envious that he’s moved on.

[@dmcsword]

It is also a 15 minute city. Run if you can. I left 2 years ago

[@carsondyle1793]

@@dmcsword trying to get my last kid through H.S. then I’m gone. This town will never come back

[@jaredwtaylor]

Left last year. Was only there for 4 years but was so glad to leave and will never look back.

[@geobloxmodels1186]

@1:24:25 I was a founding member of the Atheist Community of Austin, editor of the newsletter, board member, and two-time co-leader. I haven't been involved at all in over 20 years. When I checked the ACA site recently, I was very sad to find that the group has been ideologically captured by the woke. It is one of their policies to support 'gender affirming care' for minors. Now, I realize we made a mistake promoting atheism. We thought we were trying to promote reason, but all we did was create a vacuum to be filled by the next crazy religion to come along. I would honestly much rather see the country run by benign Episcopalians than by the far left woke mob.

[@mariahrossi3072]

Thank you for highlighting the craziness in Portland and in Oregon in general. I live in southern oregon and Portland is despised. Please talk with Marc Theilman about the battleground Oregon election fraud lawsuite.

[@MrsRitchieBlackmore]

YES. There could be DAYS worth of content on Portland...seriously, when Fox does a report on it or, lately, the NYT....what's crazy is that the reality is so much WORSE than what's reported. Especially when it comes to corruption. So much money just "disappears".

[@MIKE_THE_BRUMMIE]

Its genuinely thanks to Andy that people like me who at one point has a aoft spot for ANTIFA got to see them for what they really are. For me it took me on a self discovery of the politics I thought I knew and to a position of scepticism regarding anything I would studies in the future. Nothing is sacred, nothing is beyond reproach...all thing need to be attacked from very vector.

[@MIKE_THE_BRUMMIE]

@@williamturner924 That he might be but it doesn't take away the fact that he really showed aunt-queefer for who they really are

[@andreajones7023]

We are running out of words to describe the derangement we are witnessing.

[@cnrspiller3549]

Peter!!! That you are claiming allowing 18 yr olds, or anybody older to go under a surgeon to genitally mutilate their body is a "reasonable compromise" is just a mark of how much the Overton window has been shoulder-barged to the extreme left. This would be like an anti-Roman Games spokesperson saying in 200ad, "I think allowing the lions and tigers to just rip off their arms and legs is a reasonable compromise for not letting people die in our circus". Your position on this is unhinged. No surgeon should ever be allowed to remove healthy genitals or attempt to create a catastrophic imitation of a phallus out of other body tissue, or remove healthy breasts. All this is a clear contravention of the hippocratic oath and should be considered as medical gbh. How are you so wide of the mark on this?

[@jr6332]

Honest question here: Life>property, which I understand the premise and agree AND time is invaluable since we will never get it back but I'm having trouble reconciling the following: someone has to give say 10 hours of their life to earn the money to purchase an item and then someone comes along and takes it. That is time the orignal person will never be able to get back and would have possibly used in a different way if they knew the eventual outcome, a loss of a portion of their life.

[@stonecoldscubasteveo4827]

You are having trouble reconciling it because the second part of your statement is something you worked out through logic, and the "life>property" part is just something you are supposed to accept on faith. I submit to you that "life>property" is horseshit. It feels right on a surface level but it doesn't stand up to scrutiny. If you really drill down on it, it asserts that you have a responsibility to be a victim. If a thief or vandal loses his life in the commission of his crime it his his own responsibility. They chose to victimize others, and as you have accurately deduced, thereby they chose to destroy part of their victim's lives. You are not morally required to accept being aggressed upon. "But what about (insert absurd hypothetical here)?" Yes. Yes you are still justified to protect your property with violence, although in many cases offering mercy may be appropriate. That is to say, you may choose not to exercise your right to defend your property, but you still have that right. When and how you choose to extend mercy to a criminal in that situation is up to you and you alone, and only you have the right to make that call (in a moral sense. Legally...consult an attorney.)

[@kenhiett5266]

Dylan Mulvaney being a threat isn't the issue. The attempt to force acceptance is the issue. Boycotting to set a precedent and make the corporate world think twice before cramming down unwanted ideologies was the goal. The evidence suggests the boycott against Bud Light has been incredibly effective. They've lost billions of dollars in market share and that loss continues to this day. The corporate world took notice, I assure you. Target backed down quickly to a somewhat related issue as an example.

[@MoonshineH]

And they were both boycotts that happened for no reason.

[@kenhiett5266]

@@MoonshineH I'm genuinely curious how someone would come to that conclusion. The people who buy and consume Bud Light (which isn't me, so I didn't participate), don't want transness shoved in their face through the products they buy. They don't want to contribute to the profits of a company in direct conflict with their values. They want to set a precedent, so other brands they buy won't end up doing something similar in service to ESG. Please explain how this simple formula lacks purpose in your view?

[@MoonshineH]

@@kenhiett5266 All bud light did was have a trans woman drink their beer in an instagram post. That is completely unobjectionable. Does a trans woman drinking a bud light taint all the other cans? No, of course not.

[@kenhiett5266]

@@MoonshineH That's not close to the whole story. They hired Dylan Mulvaney for a March of Madness marketing campaign and printed his likeness on a special can sent to him for marketing photos. The can had lettering across the top that read: "Cheers to 365 days of being a woman." As part of this campaign, Bud Light released a special line of pride themed cans. All of this is in direct conflict with the values held by Bud Light consumers, and do you know who was well aware of this commonly understood fact? The marketing director for Bud Light who had previously been a guest on a podcast in which she belittled the brands consumer base and stated she wanted to change brand perception/demographic as if those people were an embarrassment. She achieved half of her goal, but it turns out the other big brand light beer drinkers who appreciate all this trans nonsense being pushed on everyone don't exist. The only surprise about this boycott saga is that the people adverse to the re-engineering of society took this long to push back. I'm sure it has something to do with the fact they're a kind, forgiving, genuine, and good-natured group of people on average. You can plan on the pushback becoming the norm now. I think it's safe to say they're done turning the other cheek while the country around them degenerates into some sexualized, identity focused, artificial hierarchical inversion, social experiment.

[@MoonshineH]

@@kenhiett5266 What you just described is not significantly different from what I did. It’s just a small marketing campaign. What real harm was done? Seriously, what harm is done by a trans woman being involved in Bud Light marketing? Nothing. And who cares if the marketing director doesn’t understand her consumer base? That’s a her problem. Everyone knows Bud Light’s primary consumer base is people who don’t actually like beer. But again, this doesn’t harm anyone, therefore a boycott is pointless.

[@jenniferdeaton5130]

Your first question, Peter, is spot on. And women need to pay attention... good men protect weaker members of society. I teach my son to always step in to protect esp women and children from any dangerous attacks. Prosecuting men who stand up/intervene will cause them to not do so, opening up any kind of assaults on esp women and children. Terribly sad.

[@zstrauss1]

Watching from Michigan ✋

[@desertrose0601]

I used to live in Portland and absolutely loved it. It breaks my heart to see what it has become. I hope I can live to see it restored to the great city it once was. The city was always (purposefully) weird, but when I lived there in the 90’s, it was very safe and people had a great sense of civic pride. I pray that it can get back there.

[@orsors2129]

Arm chair critics don't understand the tremendous courage reporters like Andy and Peter have to give us insight into the ground violence perpetrated by antifa and other extreme left groups. ❤❤

[@tomjeffersonwasright2288]

Their enthusiasm overwhelms me!

[@evanmichael3387]

Helen Pluckrose: Equal access to a pile of rubble.

[@dks13827]

2 very smart Americans, thank you.

[@cl4998]

Both amazing people, role models, not to mention authors. Pretty excited to listen to this episode!

[@cl4998]

Forgot to add courageous, both of you are very courageous.

[@martindenham2207]

What a brilliant conversation. The way Peter was being painfully honest about people's motivations is just wisdom from heaven. It's not merely a difference of opinion, it's a difference of thinking, worldview, perspective, agenda. I think it was Thomas Sowell who said you can't have a conversation with someone who despises you (something along those lines). This is definitely a lesson I learned the hard way. Trying to have a reasonable, rational and logical conversation about solving a problem with someone who needs to problem to exist to benefit their agenda is the biggest waste of time I've ever experienced. We couldn't agree on any solution because it wasn't in their interests to solve the problem. It took me a long time to work that out. As The Art of War teaches us, know your enemy.

[@drpeterboghossian]

Thank you

[@martindenham2207]

@@drpeterboghossian You're most welcome. I always enjoy your conversations & learn a lot.

[@davebannister323]

Always a good conversation from both Andy & Peter -- Thanks for Sharing . From the UK

[@virtuosa69]

They charging him with the "murder" of Neely, but make no mention of the *black* man who was helping the marine by holding his arms down while in the headlock.

[@The-Portland-Daily-Blink]

PORTLAND, OREGON: "A vast, barren, desolate social justice paradise." Hilarious and so true.

[@AndyJarman]

The life long medications, the corrective surgery the insurance companies wont pay for. Why should the public purse pay for all this ? Should tax payers pay for people who want to have limbs removed? Why is this not a mental illness? What other mental illnesses do we cure with surgery? Apart from frontal labotomies?

[@Wingedmagician]

I just love Peter. He’s all like “Portland well this is what you wanted! adios!” 😂

[@randomgeneration-gu8dw]

Lmao, I know, right? The only problem is that they leave their destroyed cities and go to red regions and vote for the same policies. Too bad you can't quarantine them to their bad choices.

[@RandomBeagle]

It's like raising a child 😂

[@alexandragrace8164]

I have voted left in my country all my life. But in my country, the “left” party is more centre left; it seems the leftest places are going insane and causing harm. I admire Andy for his courage and for informing me about the true consequences of this nutty policies.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

Q: why do they want to k!ll him? A: Blasphemy

[@UntiedStatesofAmerica]

Detaining and incapacitating are completely different. Killing goes beyond both of those.

[@jamesdellaneve9005]

I’ve been visiting Portland and the surrounding areas for 15 years. I’ve always enjoyed the quirkiness of the pasty Portlanders. Then, after 100 days of fiery love, it’s been reduced to NYC aka 1970. It’ll take 40 years to retire Portland, but the clock won’t start until they change. So, they can improve, but not until they understand that, like SF, it’s 100% self caused.

[@zeddez1005]

"pasty"?

[@jamesdellaneve9005]

@@zeddez1005 Did you ever go up there? It’s an all white population. I am guessing Northern European. Lots of vegans and such. I loved going to the market by the art museum and it was a great place to people watch. I noticed that the people in the Whole Foods that I lunched at in LA had the same look. Thin, pale and weak. No muscle tone. Pasty.

[@zeddez1005]

Oh, white people are pasty. No, I didn't go up to the Oragon being that I'm Canadian, I went down. Oh, so pasty means no muscle tone. Thanks for that definition.@@jamesdellaneve9005

[@toohsas]

We love you Andy!

[@LuisCarruthers]

52:15 What Andy is saying about radical change Islam is happening in the UK too, mainly in England. The brand of Islam we have here is very extreme.

[@oldkoot5828]

Yall messed up with your open boarder.

[@jamesh318]

Wow thank you both. It’s convos like these that give *me* hope, although at times I’ve felt beyond it. How do you guys, how do we, now recruit every single good person out there who has been poisoned by destructive ideology? We must ultimately get things back on a good (if not perfect) track, and do so only within a free and open society.

[@anonymousAJ]

7:15 What is social justice? Communism

[@RandomBeagle]

And Nazism, fascism, socialism etc etc

[@cba41]

I have a lot of time for Andy. I only discovered him because I kept seeing the crazies rant about how evil he was on Reddit...and correctly guessed that meant he was probably worth listening to 😂

[@jswets5007]

It's so funny that they supported Chaz and called Jan 6 an insurrection. 😂

[@dawnemile7499]

These are two different things.

[@jswets5007]

@@dawnemile7499 Then we are in agreement. 🤝

[@freddieoblivion6122]

How about when they hit the pause button on a pandemic to have a race riot?

[@oceania2385]

@@dawnemile7499 Yes, one lasted an hour and half, the other 30 days. The lesson is to never disrupt an actual center of power.

[@richardanzlovar5372]

One evil cop killing a defenseless and pleading black man, has forever changed America. Good or bad this was going to happen.

[@WhiteWolf126]

I'm so tired of hearing "I support trans rights if they are 18". Like, really? Do you understand how much damage it causes to a family when a family member is dragged into this cult even if they are an adult? It also raises other questions, such as, are you in favor of 18+ year old adults going to a doctor and having a fully healthy body part like an arm chopped off? I'll take a guess and say no you are not and that you think it should be illegal for the doctor to comply with such a request. So why have the ridiculous position of being in favor of it in regards to other body parts?

[@WhiteWolf126]

@@EarthlingEveryman-zv7bs Thanks. Yes, I agree with Douglemagne. Peter is thinking about this completely wrong. Yes, you should have autonomy of your body. It shouldn't be ILLEGAL to self-harm, for example. However, autonomy of your body does not mean that doctors should comply with doing harm to you. You can't go to a doctor right now and say "hey doctor, i want to self harm so please chop off two fingers and cut me with a scalpel". If the doctor complied to this he wouldn't just loose his job, he would go to jail, and rightfully so. However, if you instead ask them to chop off other body parts it's perfectly fine these days. It's criminal what these doctors are doing and should be treated as such.

[@jos8916]

SO GOOD.

[@marylamoreaux5341]

Bud Light is about the total lack of understanding and respect for the customer.

[@danieldwyer3604]

Peter and Andy thank you for speaking the truth

[@natelusk77]

The State of Texas has removed the departments in state universities called "Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion." The employees at the university in which I work stayed on in other roles, but that office is gone. Hopefully it's a first step to removing the ideas from campuses, not just the titles.

[@spadeespada9432]

Re: 1 hr in Guilt It ain't guilt by association, they strive for sanctity by association. --- For evil to win all that is necessary is for good men to do nothing.

[@michaelbeasley5783]

By the way, whether or not one believes in a literal talking snake is not a condition for being a christian and in my case a theist. Most thinking christians truly believe that the snake in the garden has figurative meaning way beyond the literal.

[@conservativemovement]

American HEROES. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@Objectivityiskey]

Good stuff Peter as always.

[@BasedYoga]

Brilliant conversation ❤❤

[@carlosdanger7499]

The point will never to be to actually defund law enforcement. It is to use law enforcement against citizens who defend themselves against favored criminals.

[@anonymousAJ]

11:00 You can't carry a gun unless you have a concealed weapon permit 2A: The right of the people to keep and BEAR arms shall not be infringed Moreover self-defense is a human right

[@07wrxtr1]

They don't like the guns because they don't want responsibility that comes with gun ownership. Remember - it's all about escaping responsibility. And there's no "finish line" either - pretend "all" of the guns magically disappeared. Then they would blame steak knives and want to ban those.... then it's speech/words... there's no finish line until everyone nolonger exists - and that's why marxism always results in mass death - which is what the UN wants because of "climate change" - they're godless mathusian morons operating with a messiah complex trying to play god

[@davidevans916]

Your country is so broken because of your gun laws

[@cinemar]

Peter this marine was applying a choke hold in a real life situation on a perpetrator who was probably drugged up and mentally and physically unwell. He was not practising a choke hold in a dojo during what essentially is fake sparring or a training session on a compliant partner.

[@amyb.6368]

Drugged up people don't know their own strength and can be quite dangerous.

[@davidevans916]

Indeed, completely different scenario

[@cinemar]

Exactly, and when you don't know your own strength you're capable of anything.@@amyb.6368

[@mustang607]

There are political parties members with a militant view of the world that have integrated their positions in both government and corporate feeling rather morally superior these days.

[@COJOCOJO1976]

You are a brave man 💪💪 God Bless 🙏🙏

[@mikelee9886]

“Social justice” is people taking justice into their own hands even if they aren’t involved with, based on the perception of past events, in every aspect of life. It means eliminating the idea of the presumption of innocence. It means vigilantism, it means individuals carrying the responsibility for the actions of anyone deemed to be in the same group. If your individual actions and choices arent what determine how your treated, then people have no reason to behave appropriately. It everyone’s guilt or innocence is determined by their nature, then there will be no reason to obey laws

[@CV_411]

love andy, great discussion.

[@kathrynludrick4821]

Great discussion. Thank you. I can't always watch the whole vid but I enjoy what I am able to watch.

[@marwar819]

Andy: I wish you strength and everything positive. All the best to you!!!!!!!!

[@cbashe]

Watching from London - thoughtful productive dialogue. Appreciated. I've been to a few Let Women Speak rallies in Hyde Park and as an old head who went protests in the 80's and 90's the counter protests are comical and try hard more than intimidating. Eire and Scotland and places like Brighton are somewhat different.

[@CJ-gv6bq]

We live in a Constitutional Republic not a Democracy. We have a democratic process.

[@orangetuono38]

Heart goes out to you both. I used to have coffee across from PSU and stay at The Nines. Im horrified at whats been done to a once beautiful city, and with whats happened to good people like Andy and Peter.

[@redrumrabbit]

Happy I found this channel

[@angelavanerp2]

Allowing people to live in the subway is social justice?

[@numberwang1256]

A great conversation, hopefully we will get more of this. I'd not known about Andy, but I find him quite sensible, honest and genuine. And a victim too, of the lunatic fringe, sorry you were attacked mate, and sorry that you were dragged still afterwards, through the thorns. One day, these maniacs will get theirs, honesty will win, and those who cheat and lie will never win, no matter how well they have stacked the deck in their favour. Keep going gentlemen, keep going. You are making a difference, and giving us language and understanding for the way to overcome these Marxist manics.

[@rufussweeneymd]

Drama is right, Peter. It’s all cluster B personality driven. The Disaffected Podcast does a great job talking about this.

[@harryfloros8796]

Oooh! Equity means getting EVEN!

[@ironglaciers1988]

I'd argue that you shouldn't use preferred pronouns because it is like propping the door open for the ideology. Posey Parker is right, and it is participating in the delusion. Don't give it creedence.

[@07wrxtr1]

Bingo - That's why I never apologize to anyone anymore...

[@gapho5198]

Pronouns are the middle of the wedge. We're way past the thin edge of the wedge.

[@MrsRitchieBlackmore]

I go with the whole call them what your gut instinct is to call them. For instance, calling Blaire White or Jazz (ugh) a "he" would actually be pretty confusing, because they really do resemble women. But Dylan? That's a hard HE/HIM.

[@ironglaciers1988]

@@MrsRitchieBlackmore Doesn't matter if they resemble women/men or not - it really comes down to what actually IS. That's the whole point. They're pretending to be what they are not and going with it is part of the delusion. The idea that you can just dress up a certain way, put on makeup, or even go so far as to have plastic surgery and more, doesn't mean that person has changed his or her sex (in fact, many of these things just reinforce the very gender norms and stereotypes we were pushing against 10 years ago, particularly with regard to clothes and makeup...). Because that's the point - you cannot change your sex, it's an immutable characteristic. It goes down to our very chromosomes. It's not a costume to put on. And I'm certainly not going to entertain a man deciding he wants to dress up as his stereotypical idea of a woman and then let him roll into spaces for women that exist for obvious reasons, go on to groom children, and go on a power trip about him getting people to call him "she/her", even to the point of forcing them to at risk of them losing their jobs, etc. Nope. Not going to do it. It's just one piece of the downward spiral of desolation and destruction that liberal democracy is threatened by, and Western civilization itself is at risk. Enough is enough.

[@aperson_1852]

Yup. Calling any men "she" only makes it harder for women to protect their boundaries. It's an issue of safety, privacy, and dignity for women.

[@zstrauss1]

The two dudes I would love to have a beer with!!!❤

[@drpeterboghossian]

You’re buying!

[@zstrauss1]

@@drpeterboghossian Please come to Jackson! Michigan is diverse in opinions. As a widowed cancer patient with four kids who was run thru the medical industrial complex, I implore you. I will sleep in my garage and you can sleep with my cat. Real talk.

[@Adrian_Estando]

The inevitable chair height difference of interviewer vs interviewee is always funny to me.😂

[@unbekannter_Nutzer]

Regarding informed consent and adulthood, I have 2 remarks. IANAL and in Germany, of course, we have different, while often similar legal considerations. First, the age of adulthood. In Germany it is pretty uniformly 18years, when you can get a driver license, participate in voting, view every movie you like to which isn't forbidden for all and so on. AFAIK, in the US, there are, depending on states, differences, i.e. consume of alcohol is not everywhere free from 18, isn't it. But 18 or 21 - you have to draw the line somewhere, and of course not everybody is unable to make a reasonable decision with 17.5 y, and 6 months later - hokuspokus - he can. But it's the goal (or should be) of parents, teachers and so on, to make the teen fit for such decisions at 18. But of course especially students, who often don't take much responsibilities in early adulthood, it's questionable how reasonable their decisions are. This could be taken care for, by making it a duty for the surgeons, to enlighten their patient about all foreseeable risks and drawbacks, and make them accountable for later damage, if they didn't do it honestly. They should have to document in written form every aspect, they informed about and give a CC to the patient.

[@sharifsalem]

Indeed, idea that someone that turned 18 is suddenly capable of signing away their future fertility, sexual function and general health is a fallacy. All elective medical procedures are gatekept for a variety of reasons and someone seeking cosmetic and other procedures due to a psychological disturbance are supposed to be screened out, which is why so many people travel to counties with laxer standards of care to get extreme body modifications which are ethically disallowed in the US and UK for example.

[@Phantom_Communique]

“Defund the police” … “Wow, look at how much traffic citations have decreased! Isn’t this great?” What is this logic? 😂

[@persallnas5408]

Peter, you are by far my most favorite human that I have not met in person and Andy, you are awesome to.

[@jobidrumkenobi]

Legends.

[@NeurobrookeMD]

Ngo is such an impressive young man.