The Counter-Culture, Lawless Muslim Mystics Who Drank Wine? | The Qalandariyya

In this episode, we explore the fascinating and controversial Qalandariyya and similar movements like the Haydais & Shams-i Tabrizis. We also dive into the historical development of this movement, from the early Malamatis to the extreme ascetic dervishes in the Ottoman empire.
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Sources/Recomended Reading:
Dahlén, Ashk (2004). "The Holy Fool in Medieval Islam: The Qalandariyat of Fakhr al-din Araqi". Orientalia Suecana, vol.52.
De Bruijn, J.T.P (1999). "The Qalandariyyat in Persian Mystical Poetry, from Sana'i Onwards". In "The Heritage of Sufism, Vol. 2" (Edited by Leonard Lewisohn). Oneworld Publicaions.
Karamustafa, Ahmet T. (2006). "Gods Unruly Friends: Dervish Groups in the Islamic Later Middle Period, 1200-1550". Oneworld Publications.
Sviri, Sara (1999). "Hakim Tirmidhi and the Malamati Movement in Early Sufism". In The Heritage of Sufism, Vol. 1 (Edited by Leonard Lewisohn).Oneworld Publications.
Toussulis, Yannis (2011). "Sufism and the Way of Blame: Hidden Sources of a Sacred Psychology". Quest Books, U.S.
Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:53 The Nafs (Ego) in Islamic Mysticism
3:40 The Malamatiyya (People of Blame)
8:57 The birth of the Qalandari movement
11:22 Jamal al-din Savi
12:04 Extreme Asceticism & Antinomianism
16:30 "Die before you die"
17:41 The Principle of Wandering & 'Araqi
19:39 Qalandariyya in Sufi poetry
23:22 Dervish Groups in the Ottoman Empire
26:27 Conclusions
#qalandar #sufism #mysticism

[@smavi4133]

Even within Mutasawwuf circles and Tasawwuf literature, the Qalandariyya order is at best almost forgotten, at worst declared heretical and, overall, holds a very obscure place. So I’m kinda surprised to see this video on this channel and really excited to watch it. Thank you, since this video might be the most comprehensive work on the Qalandariyya on the entirety of KZbin.

[@lambert801]

True, they're pretty much forgotten here in Iran also. We vaguely remember them as some kind of wandering dervishes (or vagabonds, if you will).

[@Ser3456]

In Turkey, there are still malamatis (called “melamiler” in Turkish). Also, the word “kalendar” is still used in daily language.

[@786Khany786]

I share the sentiment!

[@smavi4133]

@@Ser3456 yes, that’s true and interesting actually that the Qalandariyya, although almost entirely forgotten by the Turkish collective consciousness, still lives on in everyday language in expressions like “kalender” or “kalender meşrep” for a generous and unpretentious person.

[@Ser3456]

@@smavi4133 I am not very sure about “Kalenderler”, but, “I think there are still some “Melami” organisations. However, one would probably question how authentic they really are.

[@Internet_Researcher]

Here in Pakistan, we have a team in the country's premier cricket league named after this group of mystics: Lahore Qalandars.

[@jamiewilson5679]

Cool,watched them in the psl recently.

[@solidnas2000]

No surprise it's pakistan

[@Cross-Carrier]

The Holy fool is a fascinating concept. In Greek Orthodoxy there has been holy men who were " fools for christ " were they gave the impression at times to not really knowing what's going on when they actually do. I remember reading about a monk from Georgia who always played dumb to certain things, especially when woman were embarrassed or ashamed about something they done. He would pretend to be oblivious to it when really he was just making them feel better.

[@GVSHvids]

cool

[@gldistrict]

Yes! That might've been St. Gabriel Urgebadze the Fool for Christ/of Georgia. For those interested in learning more about Fools for Christ, other examples include St. Andrew the Fool for Christ, St. Xenia of St. Petersburg, and St. Nicholas the Pilgrim among other Saints in the Orthodox Church.

[@Cross-Carrier]

@@gldistrict Yes, that's exactly who it is, St Gabriel. It became apparent to all when he knew he didn't have long left to live that the fool persona had been an intentional bluff to make people feel at ease as he became extremely serious when readying himself to stand before God. I can't remember the exact story but it involved him giving flowers to a young girl to cheer her up .I would love to visit Georgia to see some of the relics they have at his church .

[@markjapan4062]

Monks NOT Holy Nor popes

[@samthecan3116]

Do you think that has anything to do with things going way back in history like Aesop's fables?

[@azal5505]

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[@markjapan4062]

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[@Khairuldean-vz4mp]

​@@markjapan4062 Jews for Judaism will not like what you wrote, dude. Ever met up with the Ruhul Amin Gabriel pbuh, dude? הקודש, ruach ha-kodesh Surah:63(al-Munafiqun) Verse:1 إِذَا جَآءَكَ ٱلۡمُنَٰفِقُونَ قَالُواْ نَشۡهَدُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُ ٱللَّهِۗ وَٱللَّهُ يَعۡلَمُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُهُۥ وَٱللَّهُ يَشۡهَدُ إِنَّ ٱلۡمُنَٰفِقِينَ لَكَٰذِبُونَ When the hypocrites come to you, [O Muhammad], they say, "We testify that you are the Messenger of Allah." And Allah knows that you are His Messenger, and Allah testifies that the hypocrites are liars. -Saheeh International quranonline.net/al-munafiqun/#1

[@Khairuldean-vz4mp]

​@@markjapan4062 ​@markjapan4062 Jews for Judaism will not like what you wrote, dude. Ever met up with the Ruhul Amin Gabriel pbuh, dude? הקודש, ruach ha-kodesh Surah:63(al-Munafiqun) Verse:1 إِذَا جَآءَكَ ٱلۡمُنَٰفِقُونَ قَالُواْ نَشۡهَدُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُ ٱللَّهِۗ وَٱللَّهُ يَعۡلَمُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُهُۥ وَٱللَّهُ يَشۡهَدُ إِنَّ ٱلۡمُنَٰفِقِينَ لَكَٰذِبُونَ When the hypocrites come to you, [O Muhammad], they say, "We testify that you are the Messenger of Allah." And Allah knows that you are His Messenger, and Allah testifies that the hypocrites are liars. -Saheeh International quranonline.net/al-munafiqun/#1

[@Khairuldean-vz4mp]

​@markjapan4062 Jews for Judaism will not like what you wrote, dude. Ever met up with the Ruhul Amin Gabriel pbuh, dude? הקודש, ruach ha-kodesh Surah:63(al-Munafiqun) Verse:1 إِذَا جَآءَكَ ٱلۡمُنَٰفِقُونَ قَالُواْ نَشۡهَدُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُ ٱللَّهِۗ وَٱللَّهُ يَعۡلَمُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُهُۥ وَٱللَّهُ يَشۡهَدُ إِنَّ ٱلۡمُنَٰفِقِينَ لَكَٰذِبُونَ When the hypocrites come to you, [O Muhammad], they say, "We testify that you are the Messenger of Allah." And Allah knows that you are His Messenger, and Allah testifies that the hypocrites are liars. -Saheeh International quranonline.net/al-munafiqun/#1

[@Khairuldean-vz4mp]

​@markjapan4062 Jews for Judaism will not like what you wrote, dude. Ever met up with the Ruhul Amin Gabriel pbuh, dude? הקודש, ruach ha-kodesh Surah:63(al-Munafiqun) Verse:1 إِذَا جَآءَكَ ٱلۡمُنَٰفِقُونَ قَالُواْ نَشۡهَدُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُ ٱللَّهِۗ وَٱللَّهُ يَعۡلَمُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُهُۥ وَٱللَّهُ يَشۡهَدُ إِنَّ ٱلۡمُنَٰفِقِينَ لَكَٰذِبُونَ When the hypocrites come to you, [O Muhammad], they say, "We testify that you are the Messenger of Allah." And Allah knows that you are His Messenger, and Allah testifies that the hypocrites are liars. -Saheeh International quranonline.net/al-munafiqun/#1

[@jejehdh]

There's a story about a wandering Qalandar/Kalendar who meets Baha'adin Naqshband and his students. Baha'adin greets him and asks him normal questions like; who are you, what's your name, where are you from, where are you going? And the Kalendar always answered, "I have no idea". Baha'adin's students felt the Kalendar has disrespected their master, and when the Kalendar left, Baha'adin scolds his students for judging the man, as he was demonstrating theeir ignorance. This story is from a book, and it's purpose is for the reader to contemplate it's base level and it's deeper meanings in a zen-like way.

[@WaheedKhan-mt3if]

This is interesting, could you please share the book name?

[@abdulwahabkayani9607]

Probably the kalander was doing drugs 😂 fucking couldn't remember who he was.

[@ausafahmedsayed5796]

​@@abdulwahabkayani9607 do you know who you are? Or is it fucking someone told you about yourself 😂 know the difference.

[@ShailendraSINGH-jk2ev]

zen like whaaaaaat

[@Shmoodyy]

@@abdulwahabkayani9607don’t swear

[@hassandegrazl]

I can well imagine this movement as a disappointed reaction to an extremely righteous society that seems to be blind to its own ego. After ten years as a preacher in a Salafi mosque, due to great disappointment, I fell into drugs, grew dreads and almost tattooed nonconform onto my fingers without losing my deep personal connection to Islam. I always spoke of hope and faith among the lower class and addicts and also found my way back to a drug-free life, but for many people who previously heard my sermons, I am a renegade hypocrite. For me, this phase led to more compassion and honesty. But I think such paths are strongly related to one's own personality and the respective needs of the ego. Thanks for the info, I felt a kindred spirit.

[@quixoticmelancholic7141]

AlhamdolilAllah that you found your way to a drug -free life. I also found the Salafi approach completely oblivious to any sense of balance, almost concealing half of the Prophetic Example , how to strive for true sincerity with God and inner purification. Not claiming to have achieved these things, but working on it day by day. May Allah guide us all. Wa alaikum salaam.

[@hassandegrazl]

@@quixoticmelancholic7141 ❤️

[@hassandegrazl]

@@quixoticmelancholic7141 Aleykum Salam and Ramadan Mubarak.

[@quixoticmelancholic7141]

Ramadan Mubarak to you and yours! :)

[@waynejohnson1786]

Why did you specify “Salafi” mosque though? I’m genuinely curious, it’s not an attempt a gotcha question or anything. I just find it weird lots of people essentially use that as a slur when most so called “salifis” just strive to do what the name suggest; reject modern innovations and practice no differently than it those 1400 years ago. I don’t see why so many people have a problem with that and come up with labels like “Salafi” which just further divide the ummah.

[@cluesagi]

I don't have anything to add but here's a comment for the algorithm. Love your work ❤

[@keno2285]

That is why there is a village called "Kalenderi" near my hometown in Bosnia.

[@malikialgeriankabyleswag4200]

These people are clowns bro pure fools.

[@zinedinosmanovic5192]

Selam iz Slovenije Keno!

[@keno2285]

@@zinedinosmanovic5192 Ve Alejkumu Selam ve rahmatulah iz Amerike, Zinedine!

[@pratyushaghosh1769]

This was one of the most awaited videos of mine! More power to you, Mr. Filip! 🙏🙏🙏

[@BopZ61191]

This is truly a new insight into medieval Islam practices for me.. had no idea a group of people actually think of not looking pious to that extreme, even though it's kinda clear to me now everything has always been for God and never for the eyes of others I did have these thoughts before, not wanting to grow my beard and dress 'modestly' in fear of others seeing me as only trying to 'look' Islamic, but as I learned more about it the more I accepted it all to be only for God and God only and try not to care at all about how others think about how I look I wonder if any other Muslim brothers here went through the same thought process

[@Genesis-qe7cg]

Yes this concept is related to the sin of Riya (showing off) which is considered minor shirk so yes as a Muslim one must be wary off doing acts for praise of men rather than for Allah that’s why it’s better to keep good deeds secret

[@SSKKK1111]

Not really. This is a Crypto-Iranian concept that is against Sharia law in nature.

[@markjapan4062]

😮😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. ISLAM IS BLASPHAMY ISSIAC AND ISHMAEL HEBREWS THERE IS NO SHIA OR SUNI. CONNECTION TO GOD. NOT ABRAHAMIC NOT MONOTHIESTIC NOT THE SAME GOD

[@markjapan4062]

MOHAMMED STOLE PANTIES AND WORE THEM. FACT HE SAID SO HIMSELF

[@markjapan4062]

JESUS SAID SATAN WOULD APPEAR AS AN ANGEL AND DECIEVE MANY THESE ARE MUSLIMS. ONLY GOD HIMSELF CALLS PROPHETS HE. SENDS NO ONE AND PUT THEM UNDER JESÚS AUTHOURITY. GID NEVER NEEDED OR CALLEDOHAMMED. I JESUS AM. HEBREW. ABRAHAM HEBREW NOT MUSLIM

[@owaisahussain]

I'm now officially in love with this channel.

[@sayeedakhtar8647]

You should be careful in choosing words for your excitement.words coming out of your mouth can lead to disrespecting even if you do not intend to.

[@owaisahussain]

@@sayeedakhtar8647 Jazakallah! I can see that I was overwhelmed and not too careful with my words. I've edited it.

[@iamajediirl6444]

I'm glad this channel exists Islam has such a fascinating history and impact and its always great to learn something new and to not be preached at

[@human4076]

You are great. You have thoroughly researched about every topic you have made a video on. This quality of your fascinates me.

[@gudduFilmsco]

Thank you Mr.Phillip for an enlightening presentation on the Qalandariyya; I appreciate having this mysterious area clarified. Your video uploads to always present an unbiased neutral academic approach towards religion it's sects and sub sects is especially useful. The viewers may not know this, Mr, Phillip but I owe you a special vote of thanks for being here in KZbin.

[@RudisKetabs]

This is gonna be one of my all time favorites on KZbin 🤩🤩🤩 Thanks a bunch 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@captainscarlett1]

I thought I was just a weirdo with odd ideas. Turns out I'm an Islamic mystic.

[@amirajmal]

Welcome brother

[@saracentiano]

As long as you believe in one God and wish to reunify with him after separated by this dunya/earthly life you can call yourself that.

[@KalenderiVancouver]

💚🪐🪽

[@gregh4292]

A big thank you for your erudite and insightful talks. I am new to your channels just this weekend, and I am enjoying your stimulating guides and perspectives towards music, religious concepts and cultural practices. Geoff, UK.

[@teriization]

One of my favorite lines of poetry from Hafiz: "There are a thousand points of wisdom here, subtler than strands of hair/not every person who shaves their head knows the rituals of qalandars"

[@user-xo9ti3fc9d]

هزار نکته باریک تر ز مو اینجاست/نه هر که سر بتراشد،قلندری داند

[@Bundpataka]

I would love it if you did an episode on Qawwali music. Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan is one of those rare figures that is beloved by Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus alike in South Asia, and he himself performed multiple Sikh Shabads and a Hindu poem by the Bhakti saint Mirabai. Qawwali is a form of Sufi devotional expression that’s transcended communal religious boundaries entirely with the personality of Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, the Shahenshah-e-Qawwali Loved the video btw

[@rishi_mahendran]

Not to mention that there are also Qawwalis in praise of the Qalendariyyas themselves, the most famous of which is Lal Shahbaz. So, there is an interesting connection there.

[@ShailendraSINGH-jk2ev]

ismail azad n brother yusuf

[@christophersimpson6353]

Second vote for Qawwali

[@antoniovittorio4686]

Many thanks for this video which helps to better understand the history and various currents of the Islamic culture. I have watched many channels on this topic so far, and I find that yours is among the most reliable. Have a great day.

[@LS-im5ki]

Filip your musical gifts are apparent...THANX for quality content

[@kroozi]

Hello Filip, I just wanted you to know that you’re doing a great service to mankind with these videos. In such a day and age where people barely find time to indulge in any research regarding their religious doubts/interests - your platform has provided a very balanced and unbiased understanding of many aspects of religion. God bless, and with that being said. I would look forward for you to make videos on the following topics in the coming future. - Ahmadiyya Movement - Nation of Islam - Alevis/Bekhtashi Order - Deobandi/Bralevis - Takfir - Doctrine

[@imagonnasah8319]

What a great video, bravo! As u mentioned, my introduction to the Qalandariyya was through the song Mast Qalandar, but Sami Yusuf’s rendition of it, which was amazing

[@umairusman]

That's shout Lal Shahbaz Qalandar from Sindh, Pakistan

[@hicoyami]

You should listen to Mustt Mustt by Kiran Ahluwalia and Tinariwen, it's amazing

[@RodgerHuse-bq1pr]

Thank you for making these vids. I'm still learning and you are a great teacher.

[@ibrahimmohammedibrahim9273]

Great video as always Keep up the good work ☺️🇲🇷♥️

[@willd7884]

I WAS WANTING A VIDEO ABOUT THIS IM SO HAPPY THANK YOU

[@elisabethm9655]

Thank you so much, both informative and provocative. Much ‘food’ for thought.❤

[@chaudhry6769]

I am a Punjabi from Pakistan[Indian subcontinent] and my Maternal clan came to Islam from being pagans and a huge portion of them became qalandars and they still exist as monkey keeping wanderers

[@stephen9906]

This is exactly what I was thinking. This is an attempt to continue their own pagan, or Mystic practices and still be working the folds of the forced Islamic religion

[@chaudhry6769]

@stephen9906 to assume "forced" islamic religion is not very wise and a bit islamophobic as my great great grandfather accepted islam out of his own choice and the wandering portion of my mum's clan too accepted islam at the hand of a dervish [wandering holyman] not someone who could "force" the pagan tribals at all.[they were militant and were composed of bandit like groups who ultimately founded their kingdom which fell after india became a country and old principalities were abandoned.

[@chaudhry6769]

@@stephen9906 well we all have different views brother stay blessed❤️

[@abdulwahabkayani9607]

PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO CLUE Y GOD SEND THEM TO THIS WORLD .IN PAKISTAN WE CALL THEM CHARSI JAHAZ

[@muslimproudtobe]

@@stephen9906Or maybe they realized pagans beliefs are not from the divine

[@bajramtahiri1576]

In the Bektashi Tariqah there have been in the past many Qalandar dervishes grate video please consider doing a video on the Bektashis, again thank you for your informative videos

[@mohammedbakye2162]

I would love a video on the bektashis

[@s10digital]

Excellent video. Very educational. Thanks so much 🙏🏼

[@aang7295]

Awesome video, one of my favorites of yours all time

[@natasham1137]

Another AWESOME episode!!! Thank you!!!!

[@syncretik5762]

I am So, So grateful foe this channel. Filip really, thank you

[@rossmar4609]

Incredible video! Thank you so much.

[@fvrk]

thanks a lot for featuring this tariqat I'm very interested in them and their way of living. Their way of life and approach to certain substances and spiritual practices fascinates me. Great content as always and I can't wait for a video about Bektashi order because they are fascinating as well. In terms of historical aspects they were oppressed by the state for centuries in anatolia and survived until today but mostly lost their praxis -especially the new generation-, here is a wide space to make political arguments on their historical and contemporary existence.

[@aamirbukhari14]

Mast Qalandar Jhule Lal ❤

[@Huehue-qf1ri]

Bektashis had quite a journey from being a an order intertwined with empire, to today

[@khresok5733]

Great video as usual. Thanks!

[@syedshia2508]

One of the best videos I seen with thoughtful and revealing research in a very neutral manner.

[@Patrick12q3]

Wow I was just thinking the other day I hope you would do a video on this topic thank you

[@LILHammer96]

Thank you! Ramadan Kareem🌙

[@SSKKK1111]

LOL, This is literally about breaking Sharia laws like fasting and drinking wine...

[@user-ro1is1us7z]

Enjoy the hunger strike

[@markjapan4062]

​@@SSKKK1111ramadan Is not real. Fasting. No food AT night EITHER YOU breaks YOUR fast. AND ITS copycatting real HEBREW PROPHETS ISLAM Is satán. JESUS SAID SO

[@Khairuldean-vz4mp]

​@@user-ro1is1us7z ​@111tedward Eerie and heartbreaking. Greater Israel completely surrounded by failed nations - GCC, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Egypt and North Africa. Isreal is now a proxy of NATO. Congratulations. WW3 is a long war.

[@lana-jg4ho]

@@SSKKK1111ok?

[@willbass2869]

Well done. Enjoyed every minute of the video

[@walidelmarouri]

I am amazed with how much work and depth, and precision you've put into this, thank you Filip

[@lovmovement8477]

Stoked for this one !

[@WildBillCox13]

Liked and shared. Good stuff.

[@bluesfishes8491]

WOW! Ive been a fan of Nusrat's music for years and could never figure out where it was coming from in a historical sense. Thanks for the enlightenment Filip!!

[@KunZoSo]

Thank you for the wonderful video. I can only imagine the kind of effort going into each of these videos. Sincere request to take a hit at the history of the Sindhi community. ❤

[@papasquat3882]

Best channel on youtube. Been following for years, I think the first video I saw was your video on Ibn Sab'in. You definitely sparked my interest in mysticism of various sorts which I have found extremely beneficial in my own life. Also sparked my interest in religious studies which I am now studying at Uni. In short, Thanks Filip!

[@maryannechilds6459]

Not unlike crazy wisdom in tibetan bhuddism ❤

[@maryannechilds6459]

Kiaora bro i luv yr podcast n am happy to donate to yr channel if i can figure out how to do it. Wats easiest ?

[@OrganizedMess0025]

It would be nice to have an episode here and there about certain groups of Muslims who were at odds with the wider orthodoxies in their times or even today, like this group and other groups of Sufis compared to mainstream/orthodox Sufism, groups within Sunni Islam that were at odds with Sunni orthodoxy, and also groups within Shia Islam that were at odds with the forms of Shia doctrines and theologies as well, like the Alawites are at times considered.

[@sus527]

The alawite Shias have been fixing their theology alot with orthodox Shias all thanks to Sunni uprising

[@cbyroads100]

Jay Smith on Muhammad

[@ahmetrefikeryilmaz4432]

Did they forsake the worship of Ali ibn abi Talib and start worshipping Allah?@@sus527

[@yomom4281]

⁠​⁠@@sus527wdym? Like are Alawites coming closer to Twelver Shias due to anti-Sunnism or are they coming closer to Sunnis due to Sunni uprisings?

[@sus527]

@@yomom4281 they are coming close to orthodox Shia alots of work has been done in past 1-2decades due to Sunni terorism the whole world witnesses specially in Syria ....

[@UShaikh69]

This guy needs to spread his videos on to other social media platforms …it debunks the media’s myths around religion in general.

[@Raydensheraj]

What myths?

[@jovicatrpcevski209]

Bektashis are often mentioned in connection with Qalandariyya, Malamatiyya, etc. Hacı Bektas-i Veli was from Khorasan himself. Khorasan = West Turkestan ; Sinkiang/Xinjiang = East Turkestan. Edit : I posted this comment while watching the video closer to the beginning, where there was no mention of the Bektashis, then I saw that you did mention them in the later part of your video. Good job : & props to you for the icon of Christ the Pantocrator on your bookshelf! Looks like one of my very own in my personal library!

[@tdswen1]

Thank you! This is a historical niche which I knew little about.

[@farhatara4551]

A excellent piece of research, open ing new doors towards spirituality 🎉

[@muhammadraflin7044]

Well done and thank you for i you our efforts to bring this knowledge to public

[@toddm6999]

Very well done and informative 👏

[@sanamgovari3512]

Thank you for this. I heard the word Ghalandar many times in my life as an Iranian but never knew the Sufi context of it 🙏🏼

[@StoneHerne]

😮Fascinating as always! 😃

[@ibrahimyounas5242]

I was searching about zaydism but couldn't find any detailed videos on it. But then you dropped your last video as if had read my mind 😅

[@mohammadbozorgnia9175]

As usual extremely informative

[@Imperiused]

This was intensely interesting!

[@torbjornlekberg7756]

This is striking in how it reminds me of similar religious movements in the Indo-European sphere, where you reach the sacred by doing things that are viewed as taboo. India have its shivite ascetics called Sathus, for example, who cover themselves in the ashes of funeral pyres and eat corpse pieces among other things, precisely because it breaks with what is accepted in society. Going further back in history, there were (according to what have been found out so far) also the "wild youths" who as part of their development were sent away in groups from their homes and out into the wild, where they like wild animals were to survive on their own and ritualistically eat the flesh of dogs and wolves, a meat otherwise viewed as unacceptable for human food.

[@alphauno6614]

If you deviate from what God has commanded you then that's not reaching anything but the pits of hell. God possess all knowledge and is Most Wise. What he commands is best for us. For us to create our own thing thinking this is the right way is the definition of a person who has let his desires and ego get the best of him. Follow God's way not made up human ways.

[@torbjornlekberg7756]

@@alphauno6614 Thank you, but religious propaganda does not interest me. If you had a philosophical or historical point to make, that would be a different matter.

[@alphauno6614]

@@torbjornlekberg7756 If you call what others say "propaganda" then I doubt your intellectual ability to process any other piece of information.

[@torbjornlekberg7756]

​@@alphauno6614 Considering that your point was that the only right thing for the reader is to embrace your deity and religion, how can it be anything but religious propaganda? It is certainly not a scientific or neutral position and not even an argument was presented.

[@alphauno6614]

​@@torbjornlekberg7756 I see where the misunderstanding is. You don't know the definition of propaganda. It would really help if you looked up the words you were using so you can accurately convey your intended message.

[@0Baian0]

Mr. Holm, I've followed your works closely for the past 3 years, and I must say, at this point I refer to your research as a source of information, even though I am Syrian and reside in Syria. P.S I like how most of your sufisim-subject videos have slightly different outro.

[@syedahmed4175]

Great work, keep it up.

[@NothingbutAsphalt92]

I'm from Senegal 🇸🇳 it kind of similar to something we call " baye Fall" in the Mouride sect

[@fatmashamlal7968]

This was my very first thought. I am from Kenya 🇰🇪, I've seen Baye Fall from TikTok and the description here fits them well

[@Ryuzaki-JongUn]

ماشاء الله. تبارك الله أحسن الخالقين. شكر الله عملكم و بارك لكم و بكم و فيكم.

[@ralphtegtmeier4374]

Great informative video, thank you for that!

[@amirsiddiqui5839]

Excellent video!!

[@mijuahmed4721]

Peace be upon you. Love from Bangladesh❤

[@ishraquehossain9851]

Wow, I'm excited to see a fellow bangladeshi listening to him. I thought I was the only one. "Bangladeshei thaken naki desher baire asen?"

[@ciphercj333]

Valo laglo Ami vabsilam Bangladesh theke Ami ekai ❤❤

[@yomom4281]

🇧🇩🇧🇩🇧🇩

[@yomom4281]

@@ishraquehossain9851desher baire. Apni?

[@rockyou111]

হ একা একা ই

[@MuftiMasala]

Ibn Battuta's Travel book has an account about this group and he wrote about the origin of the group shaving all of their hair. It was an act done by the founder to avoid a woman from committing zina with him after she trapped him in her house.

[@jaif7327]

anti rizz

[@ozenthelewdable5427]

Couldn't get it on even when the woman invited you in because that's just Haram as all unholy, so just shave all your hair. I can't believe there's a logical reason to that.

[@lyd4712]

​@@jaif7327rizzless

[@znn4125]

@@ozenthelewdable5427 OP didn’t give full explanation, but i’m pretty sure he was a handsome fella, and she repeatedly tried to advance to him until she tricked him to get into her house, he responded by removing his hair, losing a bit of beauty

[@Vongreimbf109]

​@@znn4125smell like Joseph story in egypt to me..he made up from it and make his own version

[@viv4736]

they're like the embodiment of the "bong rips for jesus" meme but muslim

[@kroozi]

I have been waiting for a video on Alevism, you discussing about Bekhtashi Order gave me a little hope that it’s coming out soon!

[@Uzair_Of_Babylon465]

Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁😀

[@yuh8023]

Yet another banger of a video

[@kaganseker3095]

Love your videos, thanks for your great work and enthusiasm about sharing knowledge! I wonder have you ever think about making videos regarding Anatolian alevism and bektashi order. They have their own really interesting stories and also have some similar patterns regarding alcohol. For example there are some anecdotes like during in ottoman reign when alcohol is legally forbidden a bektashi dervish has been arrested because of making wine. Then he has been taking to the court, when they ask about why did you do that he said i just put smashed grapes and water if god wants to make it vinegar it become as it or if god make it wine it become wine you cannot mess with gods business… Even in that culture has some religious poetry and hymns about including alcohol themes. For example Neyzen Tevfik’s and other bektashis poetry…

[@moonzdrop9811]

I Lear so much from your channel thanks a lot and your pronunciation of arabic names is on point😌

[@chegadesuade]

Are the Uyghurs related to the Qalandariyya? A friend of mine who lived in China used to get hashish from the Uyghurs and he said they drank wine, smoked hashish and loved to play music and dance. It shocked me that Muslims were allowed to do those things, but this presentation makes sense of it, if Uighurs are related to the Qalandariyya

[@mercuryascending1900]

15:43 As I pour a glass of wine..Commenting before reading any comments, half way through. I think of my spiritual path, how ascetic I can be. Living 'monastically' has come up in a few recent conversations. I love learning about Islam. ☪ I often feel that I am a Conscious Hedonist, definitely following a sensual spiritual path. Thank you Philip, spawning much contemplation. 🙏🏼

[@nightsazrael]

cool! 😎 Isthmus is in my meditation playlist, love it.

[@selwia.771]

Thank you, very interesting episode 🙏

[@planespottermerijn]

I've been reading some Persian, some even Sufi, poetry, and all of it makes so much more sense now. Very profound

[@wikcez1193]

Great video, you're one of my favourite channels. Would you consider making a video about nazar ila'l-murd? (or has it come up in your sufism work?

[@vaiyaktikasolarbeam1906]

Thank you, this is a very nice video!

[@Kkinder-lh3sc]

Awesome video, thanks.

[@afghanistanable]

Sufism is like an infinite ocean - very fascinating! Thank you!🌹✨

[@feelin_fine]

I think I first heard of this group from Shabab Ahmed's What Is Islam? (which I highly recommend to anyone here as the definitive introduction) but hadn't seen anyone else talking much about it. Great video as ever.

[@sayedabbas9358]

Keep it up ❤

[@khurshidain]

Even as a Muslim I had no knowledge of this of Sufi sect. Thanks for such comprehensive and deep explanation about the Qalandaries.

[@tasinahmed601]

Say Alhamdulillah that u didn’t know about that..

[@Dalia67590]

@@tasinahmed601no muslim would say that ! As a Muslim you have to gain knowledge and involve yourself

[@tasinahmed601]

@@Dalia67590 some knowledge will lead u to bidah(innovation), and misguidance and all misguidance is in the hellfire

[@alphauno6614]

@@tasinahmed601 There is acceptable Biddah and unacceptable Biddah. For example 'biddah' of Umar (r.a) instituting 20 rakat tarawih was accepted by the righteous Sahabah en mass and thus accepted in Islam. Please be nuanced in your discussion to avoid spreading misinformation.

[@alphauno6614]

Sufis are a very wide group of Muslims of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jama'ah. Some went tooo far such as this group whilst others stayed within Islam. However Sufis are Muslims nonetheless, the ones who don't commit shirk or Kufr,

[@Sxcheschka]

Supremely fascinating!!!

[@sunnybhai1904]

I’m blown away that this topic is mentioned on KZbin.

[@paulheydarian1281]

🤔🙄🙈🙉🙊

[@mueezadam8438]

I love your pronunciation, very good!

[@raphaelwalterlin1681]

Maybe you could add a second episode describing the Qalandariyya as it was enacted and spread from the 13th century onwards in what is today Sindh, Pakistan, until to the present day. The shrine of Lal Shabaz Qalandar, "the Red Sufi", in Shewan Sharif is today the most frequented Sufi shrine in the whole of Pakistan. And the Red Sufi himself is considered a decisive figure in the spread of the Qalandariyya eastwards. It is also interesting because it is said that he was also a devotee of Lord Shiva and even today, certain functions concerning his shrine are still held by Hindu families. Not to mention that his shrine is frequented by adherents of different religions which is nothing exceptional in South Asia generally. Thus, "syncretism" between Hinduism and Islam is something which has a tradition spanning multiple centuries in this region and certain figures of the Qalandariyya, noteably Lal Shabaz himself, had been decisive in this regard. The German anthropologist and Islam scholar Jürgen Frembgen has been publishing on the Malatiyya, Qalandariyaa and other antinomian darvish groups in contemporary Pakistan for more than a dozen of years.

[@brython1]

More power to you brother ❤️

[@moondramulagam7639]

Alhamdulilah. I'm blessed to meet some of the qalandar

[@hadiyahfayaz6]

Your videos are amazing..please recomend some books for the beginners in philosophical theology

[@damu8704]

U are really cool guy 4real keep it doing ur own things and giving to the folks a dope knowlegde ;) :D

[@sultanskinny]

Great video on a very overlooked group. Had to study and read about these guys for my thesis. Glad to see that there is now a concise video on KZbin for people to learn about these unruly friends of God.

[@areebsiddiqi4871]

Leaving a comment to help the algorithm!

[@TawsifEC]

Looking forward to that video on Bektashism. Visited the Albanian Teqe in Michigan last month, a very interesting community.

[@KarsonLowe]

I would love to go to Albania and learn about the Bektashis

[@ChefbyMistake]

They are Shias as far as I know but no one even Shias know much about them. I must say Europe or at-least Southern European were heavily engaged with Islam.

[@sereysothe.a]

@@ChefbyMistake yep I've been shia since birth and never heard a single word in my community about bektashis or alevis until I read about them online. they're definitely outside of the mainsteam shia radar

[@ChefbyMistake]

@@sereysothe.a Hahahahah even I know some of the Sunni sects from this channel. Never met with any Qalandar in my life.

[@pabloescobar5371]

​@@ChefbyMistakeYour false, they are not shias, its on of many sufi tariqats, which was part of the ottoman empire. For example the Elite Ottoman Warriors the Jannisaries are also follower of the Bektashis.

[@3Taumeltaenzer]

This was very interesting, thanks a lot! Do you have any idea if the literary/folk persona of Nasrettin Hoca has any ties with the Qalandariyya? Some of the practices reminded me of some of the stories ascribed to him. All the best to you, liked Isthmus a lot!

[@LetsTalkReligion]

Not sure! Worth looking up!

[@krkrtl11]

Ahi Evran / Şeyh Edebali / Nasrettin Hoca, most likely same person.

[@KalenderiVancouver]

Yes he was, as well as Shamsi Tabrizi

[@Michael-Archonaeus]

Wow, I really love this video, Islam is intriguing to me!

[@NullStaticVoid]

Would love to know what the source of this artwork at 4:30 is. I have a few dozen prints of artwork like this that I found being tossed out many years ago in NYC. There is very little that I can tell about it. The style is almost identical. There are a few plates that shows people sitting in conversation surrounded by flames in an obvious allegory of enlightenment or spiritual vigor. There are also images of hunting in a royal troop and some others.

[@beautifulislam6364]

Waoo ❤❤loved the hard work