The Crunchy Economy of Salt (SU&SD Review Salton Sea)

[@jeffmcarthur5617]

You might be interested to know a few things about the real Salton Sea, (at least during the mid '00s.) I used it as a location for a movie I made because it had this very unusual feature. At some point the sea had risen to a point where the houses were all half submerged by the water. The people of the community had to leave and resettle, and apparently it happened so quickly that some cars were even left behind. The water later receded, but there was so much salt that the community remained half submerged in what looked like sand. So imagine, if you will, coming upon a town in the desert that is half buried. You can see into the houses through the top part of windows. The roofs started a little below the waist. The tops of cars were at my feet, except a school bus which stuck a little more out. The salt appeared light brown, like sand, but when you stepped in it, your footprint appeared red, like blood. If you've ever seen The Last Jedi, that planet at the end is supposed to be the same thing, (very pale on the surface, but red when you dig into it.) I frankly think that was the inspiration for that planet, actually. And of course, near the water's edge, were hundreds of dead fish. In my own movie I used it as a location for an abandoned town where something sinister had taken place. It was a great spot for a horror scene.

[@erikarmstrong7474]

My family just sold our house out their. I went to get my stuff and it's hard to see the sad state it's in.

[@Tolinar]

Well, I'm sure THAT smelled great.

[@tommasomonaci3381]

What's the title of your movie?

[@aclabonte]

'avin a good brine, 'AVIN A GOOD BRINE

[@Geeklord1999]

I didn`t expect how unhinged this would get, and I`m genuinely refreshed to see Matt re-emerge from his wormy sleeping bag for a sip of hotdog and tuna. Stay weird, you wonderful humans.

[@JuniperTheSloth]

It's like making a game espousing the benefits of nuclear power, and running a reactor, and calling that game Chernobyl.

[@kirbyalex2002]

I think it's more like if the board game was called Chernobyl and it was about using the amazing benefits of fracking + theoretical science to harness the power of the elephants foot to make the ever so profitable petroleum

[@Clockmann1]

I’m an archaeologist who works at the California State Park that manages the State owned sections of the Salton Sea. And works within the same department as the State Environmental Scientists that manage it. The biggest problem I have is that the Lithium doesn’t come from the Salton Sea! It comes from underground natural aquifers that are high in Lithium because they have been dried up by agriculture use in the Imperial Valley and are so saturated in heavy metals that it is no longer safe to drink well water. Expanding on what he said in the video, it was created by the failure of the American Canal which diverted the Colorado river water for agriculture use. Thus the Colorado River flowed into the Salton Sink, an area with no outlet to the ocean. It was maintained after the initial flood primarily by agriculture runoff after that, of which most of that water came from the underground aquifers. Which would then evaporate and leave just the pesticides etc. In the 70’s California started to restrict water usage due to droughts. Which meant that the Salton Sea began to evaporate faster than it was filled. Without any agricultural runoff the Sea would have fully evaporated within 50 years of its creation, instead it is still there and has become an ecological dead zone.

[@c.w.2000]

How depressing. Some humans learn from history and mistakes, and others just go on willfully ignorant to inconvenient truths. Those are the ones that will lead us all to our demise.

[@Anondod]

This may be the friendliest and coziest takedown of greenwashing I've seen so far. Top notch!

[@cyclemadness]

I live near the Salton Sea. Fascinating and horrifying

[@kylehollenbeck9585]

Going to it is absolutely an eye opening experience. It's basically a monument to human greed and hubris

[@nfinn42]

Between this, Earthborn Rangers, and John Company, I love that SUSD is a channel that cares about the messaging and creation of board games and whether it reflects the values we really hold. ❤

[@DrMcFly28]

This game looks like a joke boardgame specifically designed to parody the idea of impenetrable-looking boardgames

[@Veggieman87]

It’s Cones of Dunshire, but with salt and small wooden men.

[@benjaminrosa1418]

Nexus Complexica.

[@GRB-tj6uj]

Boardgames do be like that. Sometimes someone in the board game group is doing the teach and I'm like "so this is just Eurogame: The Game"?

[@jaron9978]

“Impenetrable-looking?” You like to penetrate your board games?

[@Veggieman87]

@@GRB-tj6uj I thought that was Power Grid?

[@adriansolis5362]

I love how unhinged it all gets at the very end. You know SU&SD love boardgames in a way that they know how deep they can get under the skin of purists. Just watching that game get vandalized was a trainwreck I could not peel my eyes away from.

[@Pinstripedood]

Thanks for the tutorial on modding board games! I just ordered a 2L bottle of glue, excited to get to work!

[@wizzardoffuzz]

This has reminded me of when Matt used to do cooking to go along with the reviews… I want that back!

[@hoebare]

Scones!

[@Ridnarhtim]

The choice of putting the Rusty Bucket Bay music on in the background is truly inspired.

[@FrankRiker]

This board game: "Bips into bobs, bobs for more bloops, bloops bob the bips for more bloobels"

[@DraftMatters]

I love you and your brain that needs to read academic papers for two days Matt, don't change it ❤

[@SmoggySandwich]

"big shinra energy" got me

[@deebernaers137]

That hot dog gag was absolutely gagging

[@BrianGuilfoos]

As someone with knowledge of and fascination with the man-made ecological disaster that is the Salton Sea, I was real curious to see where this was going.

[@progvoice]

Do tell...

[@BrianGuilfoos]

@@progvoice The wiki page for the Salton Sea has a terrific summary of the initial mistake that led to the Colorado River flooding the valley for 2 entire years before it was stopped, and all of the cascading problems after.

[@siiimom9304]

Kudos for the company for making a game about a real topic instead of imaginary fantasy stuff. It takes a lot of more work to build something within the boundary of reality, instead of going in wild with a made up realm of fairies and goblins. And yes, I do think this raises awareness for fringe topics, which nobody would talk about otherwise.

[@jlang85]

"big Shinra energy" 😂

[@illgottencranes]

I love these academic asides in the middle of the silliness, speaking as a silly biologist. I also wish I knew how to change that part of my brain… so far I only have medium success checking in with people who hold me accountable. :P

[@gqsnowman]

This feels like it might be coming for the "Really good game with a really bland theme and presentation" throne that Xenon Profiteer has been perched on for years.

[@GarrettPetersen]

Very interesting that they use negative space in their meeples. This is only possible if the meeples are made with a laser cutter. I went down a rabbithole on meeple production recently, so now you all have to hear about it. Your standard meeple is made with a tool called a moulder. It's a machine with multiple spinning blades that you feed a long strip of wood through. The blades are custom-shaped to cut away the negative space, leaving only your desired shape in the wood. So imagine your standard meeple. You can make it with three blades: Two symmetrical blades on the right and left each cut out one side of the head, shoulder, armpit, and leg side. One bottom blade cuts out the gap between the legs. If you've ever thought, "why didn't they add armpits to the standard meeple" it's because it would be impossible for a blade on the right or left to reach up under the arm without cutting it off entirely. (There are moudling machines that have more blades at more angles, but each additional blade adds significantly to the cost. How much do you even need meeple armpits anyways?) A moulder can only cut shapes if the blades can reach each part. So a moulder could make a letter H by cutting down from the top and up from the bottom, but it could never make a letter O because the interior is inaccessible. It could make a K with blades on the top, bottom, and right. It couldn't make a G because the blade on the right can't reach around the right side of the letter to get inside. And so on. To make a meeple this way, the most costly part is the blades themselves. Once you have them, you just feed the wood through the machine in a long strip, cut the strip like a loaf of bread, and put it in the paint tumbler to coat them all with paint. This is the cheapest way to make meeples so long as you are making at least 10k or so, which is easy to hit with even a moderate print run, especially if you have multiple identical meeples in one box. Another way of making meeples is with a laser cutter. You have a big flat sheet of wood, and a laser cuts out each shape one by one. This is cheaper for small batches, and doesn't have any of the blade shape constraints. A laser cutter can make the letter O by just cutting a small oval inside a larger oval (though a human worker would need to take out the middle of every O individually). This is clearly how Salton Sea made their meeples, and it's what allowed them to make meeples with negative interior spaces.

[@TerryDBlack]

God damn, for the first time on SU&SD I know within the first 60 seconds that this is a game I will not be getting.

[@smartkrafter2853]

I LOVE these weird bits that Matt puts at the end of his videos. Sometimes it's about cooking, sometimes arts and crafts! You never know what's going on! I love them please don't stop making them ❤️

[@truthwatcher2096]

Half of the video: "money is action cards!" The other half was not about gameplay at all

[@radishraccoon3657]

I genuinely wondered, just from reading the blurb on the back, whether this game would have a twist or turn out to be satirising something, because it's written in such a bizarre tone given the general times and attitudes in which we live - I think the wording is something like "and now it's your job to exploit this natural resource to make as many lithium batteries as possible!" The very specific word choice of 'exploit this natural resource' (in that cheery tone about something so mundane) just seems too deliberate?! But it seems maybe it was just wildly oblivious.

[@hoebare]

I have a hunch that it's both. I speculate that those trying to convince people to be comfortable with their investments in the area commissioned the creation of this game, and that the game makers saw an opportunity to stick it to the man by making a game which looks like what the investors wanted but actually undermines their efforts. That said, there may be some potential to turn this ecological disaster into less of one by using the money from lithium sales to reverse some of the damage. California has a pretty good track record of making businesses play nice (It's one of the reasons I live in California!), so I'm cautiously optimistic.

[@plmilley]

Just one more geo-engineering bro Just one more geo-engineering We're gonna fix climate I swear Just one more geo-engineering

[@meathir4921]

Oh god, another installment in Matt's spreadsheet arc.

[@BenGreen1980]

It's such a bummer that the designers took a place that's far weirder than you were able to describe and slapped a cool looking, but ultimately forgettable heavy eurogame onto it. After the failure of the resort areas on the shores of the Salton Sea were abandoned, years of heavy rain raised the level of the sea enough to submerge the entire place under water for decades. When the water receded, what was left was a salt encrusted 1960's suburban ruin. As you might imagine of a place like that in the middle of the desert, it didn't take long for the weirdos to move in, and move in they did. There's a whole community of people living in an essentially cashless, off-grid Mad Maxian anarchist wilderness in the mountains around the Salton Sea. Some of them make crafts out of local debris and bring it to the ruins to sell to tourists. Others collect unexploded ordinance from nearby military ranges and blow shit up for fun and art. The whole experience of actually being there and exploring the area is so bizarre, this game really fails to do it justice, and the weird eco-plus-good spin they put on it feels like it was crafted in a tech bro's burning man decompression party.

[@DevonD.B]

A board game essentially cannot do reality justice. It's not an appropriate request to ask from your £35 cardboard box. However, many thousands of people will search this name, some will read about the place and the history. I really hope your pessimistic dismissive viewpoint dies out soon.

[@DevonD.B]

Actually, you weren't nearly as dismissive as some other posts I read before this comment. So I hereby retract that last snarky bit. Sorry.

[@hoebare]

And in true Mad Max style, part of that anarchist wilderness is called Slab City. As I understand it, law enforcement have no interest in bringing law there, only in containing the chaos.

[@PaulKozinskiYT]

I was absolutely fine up until 14:01 - I'm going to lock up my games now...

[@GonTanakaII]

For other Germans watching: Brine = Salzwasser, Lauge 😀

[@shutupandsitdown]

good words

[@Cromakoth]

Man würde auch "Lake" dazu sagen, besonders bei Lebensmitteln. Lake ist, worin dein Mozzarella schwimmt. 🙃

[@marzzbar]

Giving big Art Attack vibes with that craft session at the end

[@greensleevez]

1:10 Always nice to see a bit of Manarola... ;)

[@enno6247]

The German word for pear is Birne so you got me quite confused with the BRINE in your Video Title 😂

[@metalhacker83]

Not sure how to feel about this review. A part of me says "cmon, it's just a game, who cares". But I do see your point. Then again it feels like PETA ambassadors who wear fur; what are we talking about? I don't think the game is trying to convince anyone that this is a cool a good thing to do and it doesn't have any history behind it, it is simply giving you a theme of something that is happening and let's you play with it. It's not trying to sell you anything

[@Vellzi]

Great review, appreciate diving into the Implications the game gives about the theme. Not quite greenwashing... But a bit close!

[@saveversus]

So this is the first time I've seen the game box. Seriously, I thought it was Salt & Sea this entire time.

[@notsaved]

I admit I don't understand the thematic criticism this game gets. Yes it is called Salton Sea because it is set there. It is about lithium mining and geothermal energy plants in Salton Sea, which, well, are happening. Are these things good? Maybe yes, maybe not, probably a mix. They are for sure not as bad as oil or gas extraction, and yet games like Pipeline don't get all this flak for their theme. I don't get why this game is tasked with addressing the whole history of the place which has not really much to do with neither lithium deposits nor geothermal activity. Yes, the introduction of fish or the dumping of wastewater or even military testing happening there suck and impact local communities, but they just happened to occur there, where lithium and heat also come from. At the same time, we do mine lithium if we want to transition to EVs, and we extract geothermal energy if we want to offset fossil fuels. The process of doing so is interesting, and it's fun to play a game that simulates it in a quite abstract way. Also, it is quite weird to dismiss two pages of intro about this written by a geologist with expertise in both water & environment because it is "bobbins" and "messed up"? If we can play something like John Company with historical and political consciousness, I guess we can do the same with Salton Sea? Anyway, game needs an expansion for variety.

[@mr.wassell7885]

Ultimately, the prompt to learn more should always be in games, whether the history you hear is grizzly or not.

[@real_mereghost]

And people will love the Brass series, not really paying attention to the human costs involved during the early industrial revolution. *shrug*

[@sansrival933]

Yeah this is modern board game reviews now, like everyone is not using cars im healing this planet, i love this planet I just say get out of here! 😂 I remember a boardgame channel that criticized maracaibo for the its historical issues and then their no. Game is about Vikings (raiding and killing people) 🫤

[@DevonD.B]

It's because online left wingers dislike elon, so all EV tech is now bad and actually maybe just drilling for oil forever is actually really cool now wow I love science!

[@notsaved]

@sansrival933 nah, don't twist my words. Board game criticism is great and SUSD does a great job at it just like many other channels do. Colonial themes in board games are a mess and should be dealt with properly. I'm talking about the specific case of Salton Sea here

[@th1ngo]

Good to see you keeping hydrated!

[@TheRodonji]

I was expecting this to be a bit under an hour to play from how it was being described. I was getting a bit excited, but 3 hours? I don't think will be something I ever pick up :/

[@MaximeRoman]

12:15 Matt makes a Final Fantasy VII comparison, I'm happy.

[@robotskirts]

I live in southern california and definitely bought the game thinking of it as a fantasy. Or "of course we're gonna do industrial extraction at the poison lake, why wouldn't we?". That's in contrast to the game Daybreak which I enjoy in its earnestness.

[@Daktangle]

The FF7 reference is great.

[@adriansolis5362]

Yea, super apropos

[@IanRuffer]

Who ever picks up Matts copy from the charity/thrift store is going to be very confused 😂

[@TimeTravelingPickle]

2:03 this is the best advice ever! I'm teaching my friends how to bake starting tomorrow. Just in case 😅

[@stevewithington1787]

This is my game of the year (2024 edition). A heavy economic euro that has loads of crunchy decisions? Yes please. How about we add a really cool mechanic where your money is your actions and vice versa? Absolutely. Would you like us to make it in a small box but keep component quality high? Of course. Oh, and just one more thing - how would you feel about a £20ish price point? If this game sounds too good to be true it’s because it is. I have no problem with the theme either. If it washes over you and you don’t give it a second thought then it’s done no harm (it’s hardly like you’re going to become a rabid advocate of geothermal engineering). And if it does resonate with you to the extent that you go down a rabbit hole on this stuff then in addition to being an awesome game it’s now also become an educational tool. TL; DR: This game is brilliant for the money and you should buy a copy immediately if you have any interest in medium-heavy Euros and/or economic games.

[@dereksimmons5877]

Weird...the second you introduced it I assumed it was similar in spirit/theme to, say, John Company's portrayal of EIC. Can't believe you said not satire lol.

[@eduardoserpa1682]

Excited to try that one, eventually.

[@GlassofJ]

All I will ever take away from this video is that in the UK they sell jarred hot dogs

[@tahunuva4254]

That's a glizzy ma'am

[@Stomski]

Jarred, tinned, vacuum packed... However you like 'em.

[@Noobwater]

Super easy to learn from the rulebook, too!

[@saltfreegamer]

Thanks for addressing the questionable theme of this game. I think you are right, most people will take this game at its word, and assume we're just going to capitalism+science our way out of the real world mess it represents. This is a harmful message I think, which Daybreak is also guilty of. Truly solving our sustainability problems will require deep changes in our lifestyles and expectations, not science fiction. We've been collectively delaying these changes since at least the '70s... Maybe it's time to stop indulging this particular fantasy. Kudos to EBR for trying to imagine a genuinely new future.

[@NeonGodzilla87]

Taking the masking tape from manifesting yourself a goooood time to it's logical conclusion

[@GeneralHomsar]

6:27 lol loll heh heh heh

[@NedInYaHead]

6:19 this comment came up as I was watching, was wondering if it made anyone else roll as hard! 😂😂

[@benjaminrosa1418]

I had this. I sold it because while i don't think it was bad, it has potential... But is a game o know i won't get it to table any time more.

[@AndrewCCleverley]

Effortless dropping of FFVII references, there Matt 👌🏻

[@Sparticuse]

I found the economy in this game to be significantly too tight. Using only the actions on the base board, you can't actually make money. Everything that spits out money costs money in equal measure to within a dollar or so. This means you absolutely need to have the right dollar cards at the right time to make actions cost less or pay more. If you mess up at any point and need to waste a bill because you can't make change or you simply don't have the dollar cards for the stage of the process you're at, you're basically screwed for the entire round.

[@HeaterCalhoun44]

This description makes me want to play it even more now

[@rectorsquid]

Using actions only on the base board is not a good strategy. They certainly did make the game hard that way!

[@Sparticuse]

@rectorsquid i meant that as the baseline. If one were to only use money as a resource, all the actions break even. So you need to use money to make money, but you only start with something like 7 dollars so it's really hard to actually make money if you don't have the money actions that make actions cost less money. To make it worse, the $1 actions only adjust that efficiency by a single dollar, so you make a dollar per turn of the engine per dollar card used. It's an unbearably slow engine, and if you need to break a 5 to pay a $3 bill, you just broke even even though you used money card actions

[@Sparticuse]

@HeaterCalhoun44 it's really unbearably slow to accomplish anything

[@fireant202]

I was gonna say...isn't that the place man's hubris already destroyed? Why are using it as a setting for a game about...*checks notes* more of man's hubris? Kidding aside I love these miniaturized dense games like this. But I can't imagine teaching this one. Mottainai is one of my favorites but even that one is a real pain to teach with each card being used for four different things.

[@gnollman]

lol the FFVII references, quite suitable on this day, the 28th anniversary of the game release. But yeah, this game is not for me.

[@gnollman]

Japanese release, that is.

[@patarfuifui]

Would you guys be interested in reviewing Can't Stop perchance?

[@hallsofvalhalla1749]

Your my hero! I would have barfed.....

[@rectorsquid]

I have never seem a video for this game and then, after playing it last night for the second time ever, this showed up in my recommendations. How the heck does You Tube now what I played last night? This is a very interesting game. It's not easy to play the first time but the second play was fine and it's definitely not the hardest game I ever played. What is hard is coming up with early-game actions that get production up before the game is half over. I am still not sure what to do for the first two or three rounds. But figuring it out is the fun of a game like this (for me). I don't like that a hard game is considered a horrible game just because it's hard. But I do get how it can give that impression. It can definitely be a frustrating game with each action not really doing all that much when there is so much to do.

[@ZoidbergForPresident]

0:05 An illustrated by AMELIA SALES!

[@master55555]

Legit dinky 😂

[@thegamesninja3119]

I have it and want to play it.

[@megapussi]

Salton Sea more like Salton Deez

[@yyams]

NUUUTTTZZZZZZZZ

[@mikedavis1476]

I enjoyed the movie with Val Kilmer

[@TrojanManSCP]

The Saint is an all time 11/10. Or do you mean Batman?

[@mikedavis1476]

@TrojanManSCP its a movie called the saltin sea..val is in it and plays a meth head

[@peripheralephemeral2272]

not sure i like the right-on-ness of this review.

[@Tolinar]

"JPEGS of fictional ladies" I feel judged. Continue

[@Tolinar]

"Two and a half days down a rabbit hole of reading academic papers" I feel judged Continue

[@Tolinar]

I was trying to figure out why you had the can opener at the start ... YOU FAILED

[@GenericKen000]

The core gameplay loop sounds an awful lot like Race for the Galaxy - down to the impenetrable iconography

[@croissantstastegood]

Only downvote bc of using animal abuse as props

[@Norm-R]

I feel like it would be worse if the game just completely brushed over the horrors it was portraying. As many Euro games tend to do. Where hey, why are we picking up these brown meeples and using them as workers? Clearly this has no horrifying historical significance and we can all just pretend that everything was okay. So in that sense, even if they maybe tried to put too positive and hopeful a spin on it, at least acknowledging it on some level is probably better than ignoring it? But thats just my 2 cents.

[@mnm1273]

"why are we picking up these brown meeples and using them as workers" I don't think the Euro games you're mentioning would better if they named after an actual atrocity and having a forward by someone who claimed that it was great.

[@saintpumpkin]

Great game, love it

[@Stomski]

"with a theme that initially seems fun, then you /dig/ into it..."

[@shanefrancis34]

It’s just a game!!!!

[@shutupandsitdown]

You're just a man!!!!

[@shanefrancis34]

@ ok

[@edwardburroughs1489]

Does theme matter in games? When I play chess (badly) I dont think of the Queen as a queen its more the underlying mechanics of the game that are relevant.

[@chrishillery]

I mean, to take an extreme example, would you play an Auschwitz boardgame? Maybe a worker-placement game about efficiently... no, can't even finish that example. This isn't THAT bad, but... it's pretty bad. And it's not like that theme is "can we fix this ecological disaster", it's some kind of strange whitewashed "hey look at how science can money!" thing. They could have made this about a fictional lithium-rich drilling area and it would have been fine (ish). Setting it in a real epic disaster zone and then, like, ignoring the disaster part is just bizarre.

[@GRB-tj6uj]

The John Company review on this very channel dives into this

[@GRB-tj6uj]

@@chrishillerythere's a card game called "Train" where the player has to get trains to their destination, and then at the end it is revealed that the destination is Auschwitz (so the player isn't supposed to know this). I think it goes without saying that it wasn't meant to be played as a normal board game and was made for didactic purposes. I think it was appropriate to do this because the game takes its theme as seriously as it deserves. And I think this is what's sometimes lacking in boardgames

[@DevonD.B]

We play many different murder simulations in childhood. Ww1/2 themed games and films. Crime themed games, etc. Are the mechanics good in your holocaust game?

[@yyams]

This is the 'Meet The Grahams' of board game reviews, and I love it.

[@NedInYaHead]

Genuinely interested to hear your reasoning, it's not a link I would've made 😅

[@mienzillaz]

Did you liked it? 😊

[@pagey-71]

I cnfess euros leave me cold. Add a climate theme and watch me run screaming. Yet watching you trash the game in the outro was strangely triggering 🤔

[@Sm0lsky]

I can play war games about real wars were endless warcrimes were perpretated and millions and milions ofsoldiers and civilian were killed , I can play without problem pirate games that glorify pirates, which were infamous for pilling, raping, killing and enslaving. But I draw the line in minery extraction (which is happening) of certain areas. (Sorry for my english)

[@2koi516]

Hits a little different when you de-abstract the subject to the point where you are unironically discussing the potential to make a profit exploiting an actual, very specific, real-world travesty that we still are still observing the fallout of.

[@Sm0lsky]

​@@2koi516 where is the irony or the abstract in undaunted?

[@2koi516]

@Sm0lsky The names. Undaunted takes its theme seriously and keeps its messaging sober. There's no cheerful spin to try and frame it as actually a good thing. It's not as heavy a tone as a conversation about war perhaps should be, but it's also not flying off in entirely the wrong direction.

[@CNBEARD]

Hi everyone

[@brockhall8209]

I'm mildly amused that this review goes to great lengths to discuss the environmental impact of the theme, then proceeds to mildly ruin 2 board games instead of giving them to people who would enjoy them. Then again, what do I expect from Matt "bowl of soup" Lees? I propose that these be auctioned off as prop copies, along with Food Chain Island, the Viking 1866 expansion (or whatever that one is called), No Thanks, the microplastics that used to be colonists in Spirit Island, and Burncycle.

[@wheeler68]

I believe the Spirit Island one is a camera trick

[@shutupandsitdown]

Yeah that was just jelly babies and powdered sugar for smoke? Also these games aren't ruined, they're just personalised. Ok, so maybe the manual for Monopoly Reading Edition is ruined.

[@brockhall8209]

@@shutupandsitdown I'm gonna need you to prove it. Do a Let's Play of Food Chain Island using the ashes of the Vore Croc, or at least show how well No Thanks held up. Actually that was Quinn's fault, you can blame that on him.

[@brockhall8209]

@@shutupandsitdown also I'm not hearing a no on auctioning those games off. I would be *very* interested in the Spirit Island copy, but only if it is autographed and includes the candy props

[@GonTanakaII]

First!

[@genXstream]

Seems like your true jam is 1970s porn star aesthetic.

[@bulletproofblouse]

Why have you decided to model yourself on my secondary school geography (and PE) teacher? It's disconcerting.