The Cube World Review (and Tragedy)

[@HoundofOdin]

So essentially, Cube World went from being in Beta to being in Alpha.

[@ShinyShilla]

alpha was still playable

[@HazySkies]

ShinyShilla They mean the development of Cube World has become such a step backwards, that the "Beta" that was released recently looks more like how Cube World Alpha would be, had that not already existed. Also, past tense? It is still playable, it's still fun and it's beautiful.

[@ShinyShilla]

@@HazySkies I still play it, sorry I'm not from a primary English state, but I'm always alone and I just wish I can play with my friends without giving them my Account

[@HoundofOdin]

@@HazySkies Yes, that is exactly what I meant.

[@werr3222werrr]

It went from being a near perfect just before release to a proof of concept

[@edfilms9312]

can't wait 12 more years till its fully released and the game just resets every 10 minutes

[@rhetrhet]

see ya when im 30

[@slevinchannel7589]

17:00: Ha, yeah, to be fair, even for example me, who isnt a Cultist, thought it was a Prank at first and/or the Update had been Halved. I certainly thought that. I mean, the Oceans and Seas alone, were so much emptier. Once, they were so much more Alive than now, but they all got removed. I mean, even things that were in the game and were just so simple no one could even have a Reason to hate them, were removed: Like Pet Food for Slimes and Imps. In the Alpha, they could be tamed, but not anymore FOR NO REASON. Who wouldnt think that is a Joke? Well, it wasnt. Wow. You know, one could wonder if his Depression maybe made him wish we are depressed too, but let's be honest, that's a laughable Reason to ruin your own game. But even if that were the Case - WHAT WAS HIS WIFE DOING? Did she just let him delete the Updated Alpha in a Stroke of Madness, and let him start all over again?!? Where's his Family in all this? Just wondering...

[@trashycannoey]

and every reset resets everything

[@nyieshalinae831]

I wonder what will happen first. The FNAF francise finally ends, or Yandere Simulator end in production.

[@KingNedya]

@@nyieshalinae831 Um...How is this relevant?

[@flamensteinsdankmemestash]

Oh god. This game was on my radar back in 2012-2013 and I was genuinely interested in it. What a sad tale.

[@jordansblabbering6303]

Same

[@ultimategopnik1547]

Same

[@theeguy9022]

same

[@kiwiuwu1632]

Same

[@absobel]

Same

[@drrrivevibes]

I mean, personally, I was having fun with the game in beta - so much that I played for four or five hours straight in my first sitting. I obtained my boat early on and started to use it practically everytime I entered a body of water. Eventually I did this on the ocean, seeing a volcano just off sure on my minimap, and halfway there? My boat vanishes. "What? What just--" I turn back, my boat becomes usable again, as the Region's title flares on my screen. Oh no. I alt + F4'd, and that was that. I haven't touched it since.

[@theframe100]

That single 'feature' of the game is probably its biggest flaw. Why would anybody EVER want region-locked core gear? I get that you can region lock stuff like teleportation so you don't just teleport anywhere, but weapons, mounts? Ridiculous.

[@ZorotheGallade]

That is past the refundable period, I mourn the loss of your money.

[@ramage7646]

@@ZorotheGallade Yeah. Paid $20 for what felt like a college project

[@ramage7646]

@@ZorotheGallade But even my peers have developed much better demos than this. This game just felt like a mish mash of conflicting mechanics which honestly insulted me as a developer

[@zcritten]

@@theframe100 I assume the idea was that he'd want items to be useful in those certain areas. So a new different type of instrument instead of the harp in different regions. But he just didnt do it and its so horrible

[@protonjones54]

"I'm a bit of a perfectionist, so I rebuilt the game a few times." >proceeds to ruin his own title after years of progress

[@jabz1582]

and remove and block people like me that have constructive reviews from steam (seriously i can't even post a new review

[@charliedulol]

@@jabz1582 excuse me what the f-

[@jabz1582]

@@charliedulol Yup he deleted my review on steam and blocked me from posting more reviews on cubeworld (See what an ass he is?)

[@evo683]

JabZ could I see proof? If what you are saying is true, this is an egregious offense by Wollay

[@jabz1582]

@@evo683 well everytime it i try to post a new review it says "There was a problem posting your review" not sure if that would be considered proof

[@curtisyue182]

Let's be real for a moment here. Dev up and disappears for years. Without feedback from the community, just building an entire game in his head... What was he expecting?

[@nyieshalinae831]

R u talking bout yandere dev?

[@escarche9917]

No?

[@uglyogre63]

@@nyieshalinae831 *Laughs in 6 years*

[@macskasbogre133]

@@nyieshalinae831 lol I wish he would disappear for years and come back with a lower quality but finished product.

[@slevinchannel7589]

The craziest thing is: We know he did what all the world asked him: Update the Alpha. We know that from Twitter. XP and all the stuff, it was all still there but what was there was better. Then he released it without all this. Wow. So the big question is: Does he still have the Updates Alpha on his PC?! Can he still release what was to be released? Or did he seriously, for no reason at all, in a stroke of madness, delete the Update and start all over again?! DID HE REALLY?!? That's the question, Dr.Watson, that's the Question. Well, anyway, he should just pass on the Torch. Either to a new Programmer-Team or at least to the Modders.

[@Visigoth_]

I wonder if the creator suffered from an existential crisis/was overwhelmed by questioning his design decisions... - The alpha was awesome.

[@thedragoncraft3490]

Wollay was in depression during developpement because of community criticisms back then in alpha, so that's quite an existential crisis yeah

[@raylenn4444]

@@thedragoncraft3490 what a pussy. the guy can't evzn take criticism without going in depression? what the hell?! not only that, most criticism i read were actually good points (like the annoyance of not having access to fast travel or the lack of features, wich are valid points to citicise), so his temper tantrum is even more invalid to have.... whatever,i guess cubeworld's done for now huh?

[@hermeister3870]

@@raylenn4444 dont mind me leaving a comment to see the shitstorm....

[@ridernyello7907]

@@raylenn4444 a lot of the "criticism" was people saying shit like that to him because updates took so long, constantly sending emails harassing him for an update, some even having threats etc. so yeah not all valid criticisms really.

[@joaopop1199]

@@raylenn4444 one thing is constructive criticism, another thing is having an angry mob of people demanding stuff, as rider said, threats even happened. a game developer is like an artist, and an artist needs to not be rushed when working on something because when they are it will get worse than when they werent. so it creates a loop of being slower cuz ur getting rushed and getting even more rushed by idiots because ur being slower. and that takes a toll on peoples psychological state.

[@massman1216]

wait so.... he made a rpg game where you cant progress? well thats interesting

[@redheadsg1]

well ... it is rogue lite/lite and not a rpg anymore

[@zynstein]

@@redheadsg1 if the seed is identical each play through then isn't not even really much of a roguelike/lite and if you can even label it as that then it's a bad one

[@5Andysalive]

Well there is a small game called World of Warcraft where (today) all your levelling up is cancelled out by the world scaling with you.

[@anthonybowman3423]

There are good RPGs out there without progression systems or extremely limited progression systems. For the most part they stand or fall based on a highly curated and unique combat encounters or a compelling story. Think of games like Undertale. That's not to say that Cube World is any of those things. Just that a lack of a progression system can be an interesting twist.

[@Soridan]

@@5Andysalive Leveling up in WoW with the level scaling nowadays still opens up new skills and talents so in that regard it's still better.

[@Kavlor1]

Sounds like a classic something was fixed that wasn't broken.

[@DaBonkinator]

Exactly. Alpha was already great, only needed polish and a couple more features to add on top of the already existing ones. Instead, they were scrapped and changed for completely new ones that barely work in favor of the game.

[@DanielAbbottSuenTV]

Similar to Blizzard with World of Warcraft Everything PRE-Cataclysm was amazing, then Activision came in and was like "nah."

[@taintedmyth0s636]

Pretty much. Cube World's original Alpha is 2013 still holds up, and FAR more than the Steam release.

[@slevinchannel7589]

The craziest thing is: We know he did what all the world asked him: Update the Alpha. We know that from Twitter. XP and all the stuff, it was all still there but what was there was better. Then he released it without all this. Wow. So the big question is: Does he still have the Updates Alpha on his PC?! Can he still release what was to be released? Or did he seriously, for no reason at all, in a stroke of madness, delete the Update and start all over again?! DID HE REALLY?!? That's the question, Dr.Watson, that's the Question. Well, anyway, he should just pass on the Torch. Either to a new Programmer-Team or at least to the Modders.

[@slevinchannel7589]

If he had released it in 2017, the world would probably celebrate him now as a Genius of the Century - no kidding. From Twitter, we see that he did what the world asked him to do: Update the Alpha. And then, in a stroke of Madness he deleted it and started all over again... The funniest thing is that we actually don't know this. We don't know if he really deleted it, we just know it's possible. But we have no confirmation. This Sounds like another thing a Cube-Cultist would say, but actually: Every single day, Wollay could theoretically just drop the 'real' Update and become famous for it... Wow... Just Wow...

[@chunkblaster]

The greatest tragedy of 2019 right here I can't tell you how hype I was when wollay resurfaced, and it baffles me to see how much of his own work he discarded

[@d4s0n282]

does not mean its over, I believe that he will try to improve on the game, I feel like it will get better, might not bec of super negative community and not giving him any time

[@devin3944]

@@d4s0n282 His community isn't nearly as negative as a lot of others. There are many people who praise him and legit want him to just make a great game.

[@daydreamteam1366]

@@d4s0n282 he's right, he intend to make it better

[@EntitySteel]

+d4s0n yo They gave him more than six years.

[@daydreamteam1366]

@@EntitySteel except they didn't have to gove anything. It's a passion project, was a passion project, and will always be a passion project. If you think wollay need permission to take a break on a hobby simply because someone paid to have access to it, i guess he's not understood so well. It's like singing songs, then someone asks you to be able to play your songs in public, and later this person decide to rant and complain about how slow you create new songs or how bad you changed your style over years

[@fernandonavia8804]

This is my theory: at some point, he was overwhelmed with features and mechanics that didnt worked together. Maybe he encountered a very important flaw within his code or (what i think happened) the game was completely unbalanced and he, being a single guy, couldnt came out with a solution or a better idea/concept (this is what happens when you don't have ANY feedback and you REFUSE to work with other people for so many years) and he just simply said "fuck it" and removed and changed EVERY mechanic that was giving him some problem.

[@skyacaniadev2229]

Agreed. Though I work only with myself either (code, animation, art). When you made everything yourself, you really don't have much motivation for others to disrupt your vision. The problem is his vision is too large for himself to finish... He seems to be a competent coder, and his wife is definitely a good artist. The game mechanics had some fatal problem.

[@jeffreykline110]

@@skyacaniadev2229 yeah i could see that especially since it didn't have any updates for people to play with for 6 years, but we can hope for updates from here on out from him due to the communities response to everything

[@HRavenfolks]

Thats a good point, i do my self sometimes feels like scrapping some feature in my program because a fatal error i encountered

[@redbeard3946]

Wollay simply didn't want to talk to anyone about it. This is his labor of love and that's great for him but looking at other comments (people saying they were blocked from leaving reviews) it seems like his humility got in the way of himself.

[@jeffreykline110]

@@Dynamo33 do give him a break, everyone has problems in this world and I believe he deserves a better chance

[@Mrjormax]

Like an artist. When you start a piece of art and it keeps on going for longer than expected you start to doubt yourself and ''fix'' certain things. At the start he had a clear idea what this game was, not anymore.

[@ramage7646]

But despite knowing that he will not deliver nor give out a quality product, he still chose to sell it just to milk it one more time instead of just forgetting about it and moving on.

[@thepolarianempire]

Ra Mage I don’t view it as that it’s more to me at least saying good bye to it saying it’s done and letting it lie and if he just abandoned it people would still be mad so what’s different people who already had it got it for free and if you wanted it you paid exactly the same amount as they did years ago so it’s not milking it

[@ramage7646]

@@thepolarianempire He should HAVE made it open source then. His action will never be defensible. He literally sold it with a $20 price tag and left it as it is. He should have made it open source and let his community continue his work. But hey, its easy to milk money :) Care to tell me why else should you defend a scammer like him?

[@ramage7646]

@@thepolarianempire You also did not in any way state about the downgrades in the game that he advertised. Whatever was released, is a severe downgrade of the alpha. The beta felt like a 6 month amateur work that was rushed just so he could sell it-and there is evidence for this. Xp system was still in his tweets and insta just on April last year. If he wouldve said goodbye, he wouldve released the game as open source and moddable as possible. But he stated right after release he was against modding. So what else? What kind of justification would you make this time? Selling it broken and leaving it-then you look at it as a peaceful goodbye. Wow. Just wow.

[@ramage7646]

@@thepolarianempire And to inform you again, OF course he would sell it the same price as last time. It would be fucking idiotic to sell an indie game for $60. And what of the people that DID buy it!? They are left with a broken game that feels like a college project!??

[@FilFee]

I remember some let's players playing this game. They used to say that this game is gonna get big. Welp, it sadly didn't :(

[@Gaster601]

Well, it did get big. In fact, one of the biggest gaming disappointments since Duke Nukem Forever.

[@toogaytolift9176]

Saw the YogsCast play it back in the day and I was hoping it would become a series but it came and went before I could even finish the two episodes

[@Kydino]

Remember seeing nerd cubed play this. The game felt like it had lots of potential back then.

[@AkariRosumashi]

@@Kydino It did. It still does have lots of potential.. Just not in Wollay's hands. Here's to hoping a modding breakthrough can happen again.

[@ariaa.9428]

No man’s sky at least became the game it was promised to be and now a day is pretty good. If this game didn’t get good, well... that’s really sad, because I was pretty interested in the game since a I was a kid (yes, I am just 14 now).

[@fierymb]

He made the mistake being insecure about his additions to the game and decided to scrap most of the stuff hes come up with in the past which was actually genius and we all enjoyed

[@dreammfyre]

This game could've been absolutely massive if they'd actually hit the original vision. It feels like such a waste in the end. And the sad part is this game is just par for the course when it comes to promising indie and small studio games. Almost all of them end up being disappointing or straight up unfinished. It's heart breaking.

[@thejustofit8965]

I think this dude just needs to open up his team to more than just his wife and him after his first wave of money on cubeworld.

[@vapor404]

I'm willing to assist him with items 3d modeling basic armor weapons and general items are easy to do

[@slevinchannel7589]

You're right. He needs to hire more People, and he needs to give the Fans finally Transparency and more Freedom. It's in his Hands if this Game Fails or Not. It's not a Coincidence of Nature, it's in his Hands.

[@thepope2412]

*xokireiキレイ* depends on the circumstances. Autistic people act and think very differently from normal people.

[@thepope2412]

Slevin Channel wouldn’t surprise me if he is given his track record with cube world.

[@konradwiniarz5253]

@@slevinchannel7589 he shows signs of being on the spectrum in his behaviour over the years

[@hungri5514]

Look how they massacred my boy

[@ProbablyJacob]

I keep getting comments on this video along the lines of "Is this trove", "So this is just trove", "Did this game rip of trove", "TROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE" and i cant reply to all of them, so hopefully this comment will head them off at the pass from now on. Trove came out after the Cube World alpha became a huge viral hit, and it was a direct attempt by Trion to capitalize on Cube Worlds success and the slow speed of development by basically just ripping off the entire idea and making their own Cube World. Thats why they are basically the exact same game. Also, Trove is Fremium MMO trash, come at me.

[@MasterLPG]

Ahhhh, but *3D Dot Game Heroes?* *;)*

[@demonhog922]

That's what I was thinking watching the video, I had heard of CW, never played it, I had however played trove and this looked insanely familiar, even the combat, the movement, the dungeons etc. Trion did quite a number on copying CW

[@kiwiuwu1632]

ur just jealous cuz u can't get one shot by a boss while you have max lvl gear in cube world cube world? more like... uhh... square world got em

[@auslander1776]

Do you actually hate Minecraft? And why?

[@ProbablyJacob]

@@auslander1776 No, i dont im just very critical of Mojang as a developer, i really like minecraft if you want a more detailed explanation on my opinions of Mojang i talk about it quite a bit in my minecraft dungeons video

[@DjurrenArt]

Wollay’s mistake was being overly protective over his precious creation so much he wouldn’t allow public input, form a small team of developers, and all other things he could’ve done to prevent this mess.

[@daydreamteam1366]

Lack of a game dev team is definitely a huge setback

[@nativechatter999]

It's really hard to let go of your creations... as the creator, you feel the responsibility to do it all yourself, because it is yours. I think it was the founder of Target or something like that who said that the hardest part of growing his business was realizing that he couldn't do it all on his own, and needed to give up some control to succeed. At some point it becomes too big for one person... and then the trick is hiring competent, trustworthy people.

[@DjurrenArt]

@@nativechatter999 absolutely.

[@DjurrenArt]

@@daydreamteam1366 indeed

[@Hyproxious]

Development bubbles are very common for indie devs. I remember the was a dev ages ago who made a 7 hour game with no save feature because he believed everyone would finish in one session

[@ardasito]

You can't just change your game to be based on objects and then add regional restriction, punishing the core of the game, *exploration* . This update is completely nonsense and empty.

[@senzoba607]

I don't see it that way for me it makes exploration more meaningful

[@daydreamteam1366]

@@volcanosumit i agree, but i think running in a straight line is fun, my biggest problem with the game rn, is the absence of procedurally generated content, there is ONE map, that's it. And you can already see the entire map from the start, i don't think that's exploration

[@daydreamteam1366]

Also, i believe the idea of having to go deeper in a region to get truly big rewards is nice, just not afapted to cube world i think

[@SnivyTries]

Yeah, that was an issue for me. Picking up an item that says "this only works in Region A" meant that I'd have to find that item EVERY TIME I entered a new region, which just meant more time spent reacquiring items I already had. Not to mention your gear scaling back down each time you entered a new area, so instead of constantly leveling up and gaining cool gear as you progressed, it felt like each region was its own microgame, which meant that once you "100%ed" one region, you've played the entire game.

[@dfghj241]

@@SnivyTries they could have just as easily made it so that a starting collection of regions is always the same for everyone, but after you cross a line it begins procedurally generating stuff...

[@illusivec]

I never played the game but from what you've told, this sounds like a classic case of feature creep and developer burnout. It's a trap that relatively new developers fall in all the time as a matter of fact, most of the job of scrum masters and product owners in software development is to prevent feature creep. It sounds like this good looked at the feedback after the alpha and said, "fuck yeah, people loved my game's alpha! I'll add 50 different unique system and make the best game ever!" few years down the line, he ended up with half a dozen buggy barely working systems and he was already burnt out of the project. So he decided to just rip out the problematic parts and leave the working ones behind and release the progress in the hopes of people's reaction spurring him to action and removing the burnet out status. Doesn't look like that happened. I wouldn't hold my breath for him to fix the game. He's probably sick and tired of looking at voxel graphics now. Let this be a lesson for any indie developer. Even if you are 100% capable of developing the entire game by yourself, get another developer involved in the project. The othert dev doesn't have to be very good. Tbh, just a sounding board is all you need. But working on a project by yourself for years and years is a surefire way to get feature creep and also burnout.

[@ramage7646]

But HE removed the things that made the alpha good.

[@nachfullbarertrank5230]

Yeah, and this was the first game he ever released to get feedback as well. Making a "first try" game in a short time, get feedback and improve on that is a good way to make a game. But not if you cut yourself off and develop everything after that in a limbo.

[@eitakou]

Reminds me of Eric Barone developer of Stardew Valley

[@ramage7646]

@@eitakou Except stardew's dev didnt run away WITH ZERO communication. And stardew's dev is pretty open to the public and COMMUNICATES with his audience. This guy Wollay NEVER talked to anyone, NEVER communicated with his audience, and LEFT TWICE with zero notifications at all. LEFT.TWICE. He left not once, but twice. On all occasions he just disappears without ANY clue. That is toxic dev attitude. He is very disrespectful. There's a reason why a lot hate him now.

[@chrisxd146]

This isn't unique to just came developers, scientists and engineers also face burnout while researching/developing new ideas. For examples, when building a circuit to drive my robot, I have the concept in my head as to how the robot will interact with the world, but sometimes I'll want to develope the circuit to do other things as well or I'm unable to get one portion of the circuit to work. My wife (who has no knowledge when it comes to IC's) is often the person I'll just talk to about the problems I'm having or features I want to include, and just talking to her helps me to streamline the design process.

[@TheSole06]

I'm just waiting for the modding community to combine all the useful features from alpha with the ones on beta, and correct the flaws of beta. But the game is still development, after all this criticism wollay will be incited to fix it, maybe. *Edit*: I made a list of all the possible mods. -Better respawn -XP and levels -Skill Trees -Unlockable Attacks -Better Weapon Customization -Better UI -No region locking -Better Artifacts and Stats -Better World Generation -Building and Furnitures -Commands -Old Style Map -Better Multiplayer Compatibility -More classes, specializations -Better NPC trading -Better pets -Class Loots from bosses

[@ProbablyJacob]

the alpha was extremely difficult to mod, im not sure if that will be true with the full release

[@chainchomp3500]

I feel like he's just gonna run away again. He was never good at handling criticism, and he supposedly panicked over a "DDOS" attack on his website (which was more than likely just a massive influx of people trying to buy his game), to justify closing sales off and then disappearing.

[@datanon3059]

@@chainchomp3500 He's a god damned scam artist and if people can't see that by now they deserve to waste their money on shit.

[@reegler6382]

@@ProbablyJacob A modder has already released an early version of a tool that you can currently remove any part of region lock you want. You can pick and choose what parts of region locking you want to leave in aka gear, equipment etc.

[@FirstW0rldGamer]

Alpha92Tv check out velorean

[@naomi_moon]

the only mistake he made: he tried to do it alone.

[@Royal-sp9pb]

mooncaroon wasn’t his wife the co-developer?

[@naomi_moon]

@@Royal-sp9pb from what i understand she just did the art. she probably helped him yeah, but even still without any fresh perspectives working on it or feedback from the community during development it was bound to fail.

[@HFTVChannel]

The only mistake he did was fking giving up on it. If it had not closed the shop, and had alpha been the way it was , and it just continued to grow like it did on those few early patches , to eventually grow bigger and bigger, then make a steam release a wile later and still be relevant for all this time around, then we'd have a masterpiece. Call it growing a family , call it "depression because of DDOS attack" call it whatever you want to do , he made a really shitty business move.

[@reeth4629]

mooncaroon I dunno why he doesn’t ask for help but I can defo say he’s probably paranoid about other devs or helper he’s hires will steal his work or ideas instead of helping him.

[@d4s0n282]

@@HFTVChannel he did not make the game bec of a "business move" he did it since it was a game he enjoyed making, I don't feel it was a mistake considering his position

[@Jempai]

"He even gave a beta for FREE to people who already BOUGHT it." Wat

[@starkiller1289]

Those who bought the alpha got free beta keys

[@Jempai]

@@starkiller1289 Yeah, that's nothing special. Typicallyif you buy a game in alpha you get the beta...

[@starkiller1289]

@@Jempai I know, not sure why he decided that was noteworthy since anything less would be pure greed.

[@IguitarVreakI]

@@Jempai We're used to it now, because so many developers use the free-to-play model, or release the game in early Access to help fund the development of the game, which is costly. But in general it is not necessary for the developer to include future versions of the game, if you buy an alpha build. Notch did so, famously, with minecraft. This worked out and since then other developers and gamers have caught on to that. But even he discussed it with his lawyer beforehand because he wasn't sure whether that was a good move. At the time it was not as common to see games released early, and when they did it wasn't unheard of to pay like 10 bucks for an alpha build but still buy the full game when it came out. But usually games were only released to the public when the open Beta hit and the game was already almost finished. As a last note, just because you're getting something for free twice doesn't lessen the generousness of the second giving.

[@Jempai]

@@IguitarVreakI I was around for that, but the difference here is that he sold the alpha under the pretense that you were buying all future releases, so he didn't come down from heaven and grant us plebs the graciousness of giving the beta. Secondly, the beta didn't come out in the era where it was rare for this to happen. It came out this year.

[@jormungandr7885]

So it took him 8 years to completely ruin the game? Damn, that's an accomplishment lol

[@DaBonkinator]

Technically took him 0 seconds since it was released as a ruined game lol

[@virusoutbreak4989]

“ I am my own bad guy!”

[@TaviiCatniss]

@Just Watch think that happend after the prequels chief XD it was downhill from their

[@slevinchannel7589]

Yeah, you can defend him all you want but he literally Ripped and Ripped and Ripped Core Mechanics and Core Ideas out of his own game - who does that?! Evidend by Tweets, he actually Updated the Alpha, he just never released it and then seemingly deleted it, in an act of madness!

[@slevinchannel7589]

Spare the Lol idiot.

[@Dxpress_]

11:48 I apologize in advance to the dev, but that has got to be one of the most absolutely ridiculous and nonsensical feature in an open-world game that I have ever heard of. In what possible way is restricting the use of all gear you find to small sections of the world good design? What logical reason prevents the player from using said gear?

[@felipevasconcelos6736]

If you kept some gear it could work. Or maybe if experience actually did something useful. Restricting the use of your gear to small sections of the world would force the players to develop new strategies, but the way it’s done makes everything you did before negligible, you might as well create a new world.

[@nut897]

@@felipevasconcelos6736 Gear with a + in the name retains it's strength in regions adjacent to the one you found it in. Not perfect, but it allows you to keep some of your power while still encouraging you to look for more gear for future regions.

[@MinishDude]

The primary reason for that is.... replay-ability. In the Alpha, "infinite progression" was tangential, and once you got good gear there really was nothing left to do... end game was just killing bosses and grinding for slightly better gear. When you get 5-star gear in a biome, you're pretty OP compared to most mobs, so there would be almost no challenge. Now there is always a challenge, but little incentive to keep playing.... Pretty much, if a friend decides to do drop-in co-op when you go into a new region, even if you've invested 100s of hours into playing the only advantage you'd have is movement speed or lantern radius. You can't carry somebody if you're also in a new region. There is one notable exception to this that,:if you wanted to, you can grind for gear where the name ends with "+" that maintains it's power for all adjacent regions to the one you obtained it in. Then you could use that gear to farm for + gear in the neighboring regions, etc., and slowly expand your reach without much of a challenge.

[@tempestindustries9446]

@@felipevasconcelos6736 or making your gear from the first zones be artifacts like in wow with infinite progression and the farther you go out the stronger the uogrades will be... Oh wait thatd basically alpha... I cri

[@ccricers]

Residual enjoyment from progression, replaying as many characters in many worlds is what kept the Alpha going even though it was barebones. Some people sunk in as many hours as Borderlands fans do in the BL games and that's without it having any kind of a story. Perhaps in some alternate timeline some of those smaller areas could have been made into self contained plots with a set of missions, with special story items. You finish it, you can find another "story" area or grind in the open world areas.

[@grapplesauce9939]

You know what game would mesh so well with Cube World? Terraria. The items and progression combined with the bosses would give Cube World a true progression system. Combined with the quests, lore, and fast travel today in the beta update of Cube World, would make the game a near masterpiece. Just make bosses locked to certain dungeons and exclusive items (like having a exclusive iron sword out of many item swords) behind special crafting recipes. It’s a rough, out of mind onto the table idea, but it could work so well

[@sus4644]

Adding terrarias already unfun grinding to the unfun grinding of beta cube world is gonna make such a boring game that id have more fun watching paint dry.

[@grapplesauce9939]

Kochlor Well terraria’s grind is mostly optional. And it being unfun is pretty subjective, as I personally enjoy the terraria grind, most essential items are obtainable through a good half hour of grinding, and items like the rod of discord are helpful, but if you don’t want it/need it, you don’t have to grind for it. Cube World is unfortunately very bare bones, even in the beta stage, and adding a simple crafting/better grind system would be a good step to a better game, because you still grind in the CW beta, but the gear is just pointless with region lock

[@Deadflower019]

Terraria meshes well with everything tbh. Minecraft would be dramatically improved if it just stole just the best 5% of what Terraria did.

[@qualy1879]

there is a mod that removes the gear region lock.

[@BlueMetroHD]

still way less content because the items and other regions don't scale infinitely and also there's no overarching goal once you beat them, so you'd get bored after completing a few regions anyways...

[@raylenn4444]

the problem qualy, is that if the community had to fix his game, it means he didn't do his job right. think of bethesda and how buggy his games are.

[@explosivfurret3007]

Thats like saying : well my pizza hasno cheese on it but i got cheese home so i can do it myself.

[@halothreekiller]

@@raylenn4444 his "job" is to make a game that he loves. This is his vision for the game. So no he didn't fail at his job.

[@friendlyperson8016]

@@halothreekiller His job is to support and please the community. I spent years of my life waiting for this thing and now we are shown this horrible bullshit. This is extremely disappointing and scams like Cube World should be illegal.

[@SharkyShocker]

I feel like game development was treated more like a cube when it should've been treated like an inverted pyramid. The core concept was great and all that was needed was expansion off of that. More skills, more enemies, improvements upon already existing feature, etc. Instead, by the end of it things were just changed. For every feature that was added there was another removed...

[@asioca1992]

It's honestly kinda sad how Minecraft ended up being a better RPG voxel game than Cube World Beta, if only because the game actually has a progression and doesn't arbitrarily remove access to key items the moment you stray too far from your home territory.

[@ramage7646]

lolroflkartoffel123 Yeah sadly. I still cant get over how much potential was wasted. He was a good and talented developer by all means. But he let emotions get the best of him, instead of using his brain. So now what we got was a disaster.

[@Miners666]

It’s almost unbelievable someone could mess up so badly, someone could be so out of touch; I can’t get my head round it. The alpha was great, fun, engaging and loved. All that was required was simple additions of more assets like enemies, bosses, items, animals, biomes, quests, spirit cubes, etc. Like Minecraft, could add in portals to different dimensions or seeds as endgame. Or add more crafting, like being able to build a house in one of the cities or villages. The alpha was 90% there and features like that could be added in over time, instead he spent years in secret removing EVERYTHING about the game that people loved? and for what? And why? It’s just mental.

[@benjohnson7148]

Imagine releasing a trailer for a movie waiting like 6 years for the movie then it turns out its just like 2 hours of a guy walking

[@MinoriGaming]

That's it? That was just a bunch of CHEAP WALK CYCLES

[@vyse102]

*two hours of a guy walking until he hits the city limits, at which point his region-locked clothes blink out of existence and he ragequits life via bullet to the brain batter

[@acetown2263]

The beta wasn't "free" to alpha owners, it was included with our original purchase. The original home page said updates will be free. This is just a "big" update that reworked everything. We were owed this version of the game, it wasn't free, we paid for it 6 years ago. I do really hope modders can fix this.

[@GODofTimewaste2]

Too bad Wollay is against modding :^)

[@ThinkBeyondOrdinary]

Well, it's not like he can stop someone from creating a MOD - so much so that there are already MODs out there. But obviously, he won't help, which is a shame.

[@nachfullbarertrank5230]

...what are you even trying to say? Did you expect to get your money back together with the game or what?

[@d4s0n282]

@@GODofTimewaste2 where does it say he against moding?

[@leoleo1035]

@@GODofTimewaste2 He isn't against modding (if he were, he would be too busy trying to take down the few mods that exist), he just won't open the game to it. This implies changing a lot of systems, not just simply making the source-code open. It's just not how the world works.

[@jlsr4141]

Expected this to be a shitpost seeing as it was posted in a thread, but this is surprisingly well done. Nice job.

[@ProbablyJacob]

My shit posts are very well planned.

[@mechanizedperfection7685]

good good

[@jlsr4141]

@@chrissniderman8857 /v/ can be childish at times, yes.

[@Soridan]

@@jlsr4141 at times, he says. Understatement of the decade right there.

[@Nyio_Nowlan]

Waited 6 years to finally not even wanting to buying it, nice.

[@Rohishimoto]

I bought the game before I even had a PC to be able to run it, that's how into it I was. I miss that level of excitement.

[@Gomace]

Something I learned from watching Totalbiscuit, although I can't remember if it was directly or indirectly, the essence of the teaching was: "Don't buy a game that's not finished, unless you're satisfied with what is already there." And so I bought the Cube World Alpha, and to this day, I believe getting either one of the versions was worth my money, and I got both!

[@killeroid356]

i wonder if its possible to go back and get the alpha, cause i really want to play a good version of this game, but im guessing it will take a while before this version lives up to the original

[@SneakyLittleHobbit]

@@killeroid356 The old Picroma site is still up and if you have an account you can download the alpha.

[@killeroid356]

@@SneakyLittleHobbit yeah but i never purchesed the alpha back then, i didnt have access to money, and i doubt they are still taking payments

[@black_moon_witch]

@@killeroid356 you cant buy it anymore but there are still pirated versions availible

[@apprentice1279]

@@killeroid356 Bruh I have it pirated right here. I bet if you look hard enough you can download it :)

[@ProbablyJacob]

I feel like i could have been a little more clear on this point in the video. I don't think cube world is bad in its current state because it changed from its original version, its bad because it has strange and unfulfilling game design. Also something else that might be confusing, the Beta build and the full release are the same game. Also if you want to see those Reddit threads, links are in the description.

[@bruschetta7711]

Ok, i rly hope they will "fix" the problem of progression. They can first of get rid of the full map, it should be like when u reach a different biome u can see the whole map of that biome, so u can add pieces of biomes to your map than bringing the rest back

[@GODofTimewaste2]

Good point, but it doesn't really improve things that 6 years of dev time, which is far more patience than can be expected from anyone, brings a product that is a direct downgrade. I'm honestly just impressed how anyone manages to fuck up so colossally.

[@helostories5017]

You do know that there are plus items...right?

[@ProbablyJacob]

@@helostories5017 Yes i understand the +gear system, its doesn't help to address the games underlying problems and arguably highlights the games flaws even more if you're like me and find a legendary+ weapon quickly. I didn't include it in the review because i didn't think it was a relevant enough feature to meaningfully impact my overall opinion

[@GODofTimewaste2]

@@helostories5017 yes. Doesn't help one bit. Everyone who bought the game, especially in alpha (like myself) got fucking robbed.

[@RF-Ataraxia]

Dev: I made a cool game with a bright future! The same dev: *I'm about to end this man's whole career*

[@cooltik230]

Wolley basically killed everything that was going for this game... I wonder why tho.

[@daydreamteam1366]

He didn't. Everyone just shot themselves a bullet by building expectation from silence

[@cooltik230]

@@daydreamteam1366 we buillt our expectations baased on the alpha, we hoped for him adding content... He shot us by scraping the good game concept and making what we got...

[@itsraventm]

@@daydreamteam1366 he straight downgraded the alpha. we weren't expecting too much, he made it worse than the lowest our expectations could possibly be.

[@daydreamteam1366]

@@itsraventm you're obviously subjective... a downgrade is when you end up calling final product something worse than what you said you were going to do. which is NOT what he did. he released a beta, and the release will not lack updates from what he said.

[@sinny5404]

Thats not what downgrade means though.. its a downgrade from what it once was, being the alpha. It has less content, the maps are less unique, the weapons aren't customizable, it basically became a generic version... of itself. Thats a downgrade. If a game could have updates that took away content instead of adding content, thats what happened. Thats what they are trying to say

[@milas6487]

The only way to save the game is to open it up for modding. Wollay: NO

[@leoleo1035]

More like Wollay:*nothing*

[@milas6487]

@@leoleo1035 Wollay actually said he wouldn't open up the game for modding.

[@Graggen]

@@milas6487 it's fair though, as it is and always has been his hobby project

[@HFTVChannel]

@@milas6487 Source or bullshit , you heard that online and you're just parroting it. Its just as Leonardo has said. Wollay:*nothing*

[@franciscoalmeida7017]

@@HFTVChannel Wollay was asked if the game would have mod support, and he said No so its not bullshit.Pretty sure it was on a steam forum

[@Archos777]

This reminds me of the hype I had with starbound, during the darkest moment of terraria, and the absolute frustration when the beta launched

[@supercyberdigi]

It really do be like that. Starbound had what seemed like a fun twist to Terrarias adventuring but was never truly able to live up to it thanks to its meh launch and once Terraria started getting more updates again all hope/interest was lost for me.

[@WasabiKitCat]

At least Starbound has a pretty great modding community.

[@spicygoodness3573]

@@WasabiKitCat music is great too

[@WHYZMAN_]

@@spicygoodness3573 So True! I never got that much into the game but I still remember the main theme every now and then.

[@vyse102]

@Shlomo Goldberg I agree, I miss those features as well, but I think we're missing something far more important - WHY IS MY BIG, BADASS SPACE MECH LIMITED SOLELY TO SPACE? AND WHY DOES IT HAVE THE BATTERY LIFE OF A SOLAR PANEL?

[@gentlemurican403]

To me , this was a massive disappointement.

[@parkmel7019]

Why, I just discovered this game and Im out of loop. Can you explain, what did you expect and what are you dissapointed it?

[@gentlemurican403]

I feel disapointed by the new "Progression" mechanic and the whole region lock thing. If gear is the thing to work towards to become stronger why should all my work ( even more if you want "+" gear) be rendered absolutelly useless if i'm not in the specific zone i just completed?! I don't feel progression when i get to a new zone , i feel like i just started a new charachter on the same class. If it wasn't that region lock system being there i would have loved to play and explore the game but in its current form i'm gonna pass.

[@historiaconh7646]

Maybe you would like a game called Trove, imo their progression mechanic is better...

[@marcusroler6516]

@@gentlemurican403 There is a mod that removes the region lock

[@bandage-wasting-machine533]

@@marcusroler6516 what's the mod i need it please

[@yagottapaythetrolltoll3127]

I’m actually so depressed tho. I remember seeing this game, and wanting it when I was younger, because it looked like Minecraft. I never got the alpha, tho, because my parents wouldn’t let me because I was so young. Later, when I was older, I watched videos about this game, and it intrigued me so much. I never got the alpha tho, because I had other games on my mind. For so long, the game was at the back of my mind, my hype slowly building up, as I would daydream about it releasing when I got bored. Then, the title screen was revealed, and I was so hyped! Somehow I missed the final trailer, but I saw this video in my recommended. When it said tragedy in the title, my heart sank. I convinced myself that it said tragedy because of something else. But now... I know otherwise. However, I don’t blame wollay, it’s just a damn shame. I think he should’ve just gotten a bigger team, and play tested it a lot more. Hopefully he’ll update it tho, I’ll get it if he does. Also, I think the easiest fix is to let mods do the work lol

[@supimzazz]

That's really sad to hear, maybe look for the alpha version around so you can enjoy it and fulfill the dream?

[@adampetrowski]

Why didnt you download cracked cube world?

[@roidmango5751]

It all happened so fast, I played this and loved it when I was a kid, watched videos on it and had fun. Then all of a sudden it’s gone, then years later my close friend messages me about it coming back. And just as quick as I start getting excited, it becomes one of the biggest gaming let-downs in years, with everyone shitting on it. I suppose it’s for the best that I was only really partially interested anyway, good luck with the game, guys. I’m just waiting for Hytale :)

[@MonaFlowers__]

roidmango late but I’m hoping hytale ends up being great, it has constant updates and lots of info so it seems much more sound than cube world was

[@rosheafan]

@@MonaFlowers__ Knowing how it looks so far... It has a big chance of being a dissapointment.

[@Willimann]

In ANY case that you see this. The modding community saved the game. Look for TheBagel3 and How to enjoy Cube World in 2020.

[@lordofgangstas]

Nobody: Wollay: “Ayo imma just utterly annihilate my game’s perfectly fine design real quick”

[@PunyMortal]

@@sprodersprack4257 It's 2019.. My dog is dealing with mental health issues.

[@sprodersprack4257]

@@PunyMortal WTF are you on about.

[@PunyMortal]

@@sprodersprack4257 Don't know.. It's just a thing that I do on YT whenever I see someone use the 'I have mental health issues' cop-out.. My fingers just begin to type comments against my will. Don't be too harsh, it's a rare condition.

[@adampetrowski]

@@PunyMortal you are an idiot

[@PunyMortal]

@@adampetrowski and you have nothing interesting to say.

[@MasterJ_2003]

My friends who both "own" the alpha saw the full release and instantly said that they were going to pirate it and once they started they went back to the alpha saying the game wasn't fun

[@dallasfargo7611]

Wo_lay suffered from the notorious writer syndrome of "I must rewrite my first chapter until it's perfect"

[@eagletgriff]

Im suprised theres something like this. I wouldve just come back later to fix it if i need to

[@dallasfargo7611]

One of the pitfalls of being insecure and perfectionist

[@factualopinion8849]

This isn't a hilarious tragedies like such failures as Yooka Laylee or Mighty No. 9 No, this was simply a tragedy through and through.

[@Conoert]

I actually really enjoyed yooka-laylee

[@SiveenO]

Tragedy+Time=Comedy

[@modedealer8155]

JonTron is a fascist

[@gearsoftime9375]

@@modedealer8155 wt*

[@camofan123]

mo de dealer what does that have to do with anything....

[@achilles7074]

I just found out about this game, was looking forward to buying it, then saw all the reviews on youtube :(

[@excellenceinanimation960]

Let's give it a shot before we say how bad it is! Im gonna by it. I kinda liked the old looks tho.

[@achilles7074]

@@excellenceinanimation960 I'm only gonna buy it if my friends do, I feel like I wont like it single player

[@Raikuthedragon]

I buyed it and i like it. Im one of the rare people that like the new system (i also want it tweaked tho)

[@whisper-editedgameplays1089]

@@achilles7074 it feels nothing like the alpha. If you like the new system buy it, but if you expect it to be like the Alpha, don't. It maybe visualy looks like the old Cube World, but if you gave me the game to play without knowing the name of it, I would have guessed it's some chinese knock-off game. That being sad, same knock-offs are fun too, so it really just depends if you like the new Cube World or not.

[@achilles7074]

My reasoning as well, I just got it for a little and refunded after 10 minutes as my computer can’t run it smoothly

[@JustJamesNotJerry]

To respond to the “this version is a prank and the real game will be released” comment / conspiracy. Yes it probably would bring huge huuuge joy to players, that is also how you destroy a fan base, that is how you get players to leave and not return to the game, it is a horrible marketing strategy, developers don’t hide that the release is a prank for years at a time and long times after the launch of the game, it is just a stupid decision, it doesn’t make sense. Hopefully the developer learns from the outrage of this and fixes the game to be something truly interesting, and for how long we have had to wait, I think we deserve it. I remember seeing this game when I was a kid! I’m almost out of high school now! Thats a pretty long time!

[@CynicalDragoness]

I hope the Hytale hype train won't be derailed quite as bad as this...

[@daydreamteam1366]

I haven't witnessed a derailment, only saw a bunch of haters leave by the backdoor, Srsly tho, the game is evolving and will probably get updates more frequently

[@nikosrnec]

Hytale hype is dying down sadly, they should have released the trailer maybe a month before release at most.

[@daydreamteam1366]

@@nikosrnec haven't seen the hype die down personnaly, it still lit a spark in the eyes of those i talk about it with

[@nikosrnec]

@@daydreamteam1366 Yeah but when the trailer came out it got called the Minecraft killer, most people dont really care about the game anymore since there were no real news afterwards.

[@daydreamteam1366]

@@nikosrnec dude, most people didn't cared for cubeworld until it got anonced again. It's not hype dying down, it's just people realize it's not going to be for right now

[@dinozero2]

19:15 Spore got mentioned in 2019......*happy childhood noise*

[@pizzarella985]

Spore is a gem that will never be forgotten :)

[@taintedmyth0s636]

I'm still holding out that a game will come out that's a true successor. Until then, you can get Spore on Steam and it still holds up decently well nowadays.

[@jingnan4826]

The alpha Cube World is essentially one important thing that makes it enjoyable. It's rough but it's actually clean simple fun.

[@itsthequenchiest5072]

Moral of the story: Time does NOT ALWAYS EQUAL QUALITY. This game took SIX YEARS to develop, and it makes Trove look godlike...

[@blitzkai2986]

The Developer got DDoSe'd as soon as he opened shop in the years back. The event traumatized him. He has been dealing with anxiety and Depression ever since. He also has this sense of 'Perfecionist' and everytime he wanted to give an update, he was afraid it wasnt good enough and started from scratch. In the end it didnt work out and he went silence ever since.. Until recently I guess. He didnt work on the game for 6 years and again was working Solo mode.

[@itsthequenchiest5072]

@@blitzkai2986 that's basically terrible developer 101

[@blitzkai2986]

@@itsthequenchiest5072 Well some people handles it different, he just can't handle the critism well. RIP

[@mymusicmen13]

He didnt want a giant audience, this was a passion project.

[@xFastas]

Personally it kind of pisses me off that there are people shitting this game out of existence for absolutely no reason. For starters stop the "this game took 6 years and it's garbage" complex because heres what I sum all of you into. Either A. you've just heard of this game and you're just here to bandwagon. B. You have waited since alpha but because the game wasn't what it was like in the alpha (like most alphas are, games change drastically) you're just throwing a needless hissie fit without deeply looking into the actual wonders this gem holds. The new cube world isn't a bad game, not in the slightest, youre just looking/playing it with the wrong mindset. As I stated before, this game has a lot of heart and soul into it, you can feel the passion, even if it's...well...idk....A BETA EARLY ACCESS GAME, you know, AN INCOMPLETE GAME. Ik people like to complain just to complain, but I'm honestly feeling bad for the creator...now I see why he was afraid to release it to you people....

[@osuscyan3143]

"Many games have tried to copy this and failed" Yet here they are and here Cube World isn't

[@thanxbutno]

It's on steam..

[@osuscyan3143]

@@thanxbutno So is Trove and apparently that failed, what's your point?

[@thanxbutno]

@@osuscyan3143 I didn't write this video dude

[@TheMento98]

@@thanxbutno No but you replied to him. If you aren't willing to engage any further then don't reply in the first place lol.

[@Wildcard-Jack-47]

OsuScyan what do you mean here they are it’s not like they are super popular or even well known

[@yamantisshrimp2808]

Cube world had the potential to be a game at the level of Minecraft. But sadly that's not what happened

[@JustSomethingElse]

It released on my birthday, bought it as a Bday gift for myself, my face went from :D to :(

[@DaBonkinator]

@@tempestindustries9446 he actually can, if he played less than a couple hours I believe.

[@DaBonkinator]

And also I feel part of your pain, wasn't my bd but it sure as hell felt like it when I saw it. Didn't buy it luckily, but damn I wish it hadn't released at all for it to be thus catastrophe of a game.

[@ramage7646]

DaBonkinator Same. Still can’t get over it. A wonderful game from a bad developer. He’s talented, but he used emotions rather than his brain.

[@GamePlayuh9510]

"Wollay is an honest guy" EHHHHHH... I'm not sure I would go that far. Honestly, his lack of communication makes it impossible to actually understand what happened here. Was it a scam? Was it anxiety? Was it just not caring about the project anymore? No one will know because he never says anything. Then people annoyingly defend his lack of communication. Look, I get social anxiety myself, quite badly, but if you want to start publishing work to a public forum you need to form some level of communication competency. I think Wollay has the talent and skill to make a good game, but he lacks the spine and willpower to deal with the same public he intends to release it to. Just another tragedy I suppose. Its just a shame it took 6 years of his life and everyone else's to realize it.

[@daydreamteam1366]

He didn't developed for the full 6 years, if i understand it correctly he made a huge pause after what he changed ideas and plans in the middle of devlopement. I don't defend his lack of communication, i blame him for trying to do it alone, imagine the sheer amount of content if he asked his community to design voxel weapons or enemies, he would be able to gather as much designs as trove did, and it was an amazing idea.

[@friendlyperson8016]

It was a scam. When you promise to do something, you have to do it unless if not doing it poses more dangers. Being depressed isn't an excuse to make hundreds of thousands of people suffer and have their hopes and dreams wrecked because of your actions. Releasing the alpha for free, adding good mod support and leaving the indie scene would have been much better than making the game worse.

[@GamePlayuh9510]

@@friendlyperson8016 I understand what you're saying, and I won't try to defend Wollay at this point, however it does seem a little emotionally charged. I do believe it's a scam, whether he intended it to be or not, but I'd hardly say he ruined hopes and dreams, or made people suffer. It is a video game at the end of the day, and there will be more to come in the future. Also, releasing the product for free, spending the resources to add modding support and then just leaving as if to commit a form of virtual seppuku is just not business logical in any way. Again, I get what you're trying to say, its just a tad bit dramatic I think.

[@friendlyperson8016]

@@GamePlayuh9510 I know that it is dramatic but Wollay's actions are also dramatic. I would rather commit virtual seppuku than purposefully downgrade a game. Hell, I would even buy the alpha another time if they didn't give out keys, but this is a straight downgrade imo.

[@daydreamteam1366]

how did you know he purposedly downgrade a game ? from what i know from talking to him he doesn't seem to know it could go bad. the main problem the community has, is they forget the game isn't made for them, it's made for wollay and pixxie, and maybe it shouldn't be made like that, but it's STILL a passion project. and as i can see he hasn't changed view.

[@Deadflower019]

There's nothing more iconic to me than Jacob's "Cube World." at the start of this video.

[@M0BB0B]

I think if artifacts upgraded stats (like damage, movement speed, attack speed) and zones got progressively harder as you went people would like it better.

[@daydreamteam1366]

Exactly what i was thinking. Also, he NEED to ask people for help, i don't care, if he made a dev log explaining how the game generate dungeons, then publicly asked for people to help him design new dungeons, trust me we would get more than big empty cubic castles

[@Oodles.]

It really breaks my heart to see this game become this bad, I've been so hyped, and so loyal, it really just hurts that this game got ruined. We can only hope wollay fixes this, even though he probably won't.

[@daydreamteam1366]

You not liking it doesn't make it bad, and 2/3 of the player base being disapointed STILL doesn't, a lot of people me included love the game, but understand all things come in due time. And cube world isn't at the end of its road, for what i know, it's probably at the beginning

[@Oodles.]

@DAYDREAM TEAM Thanks for giving me more hope for this game (this isnt sarcasm im serious)

[@daydreamteam1366]

@@Oodles. i say so because i believe so. It gets me, i get it, i was confused to, but not only do i understand why he though it was a good idea, (and bite me, it is, just implemented in a negative feedback loop instead of a positive one.) I don't understand why so much ppl are leaving the hype train, they cry years around they want an update even tho wollay warn it's not finished and polished yet, and when they finally get one, they're like SKREEEEEE The game can still change, and i believe it will, i just hope it will. And i hope haters won't make wollay give up, THAT would be a true tragedy. Still salty on how internet gangbanged phil fish

[@daydreamteam1366]

@@Oodles. you see hytale ? Imagine that at its release, it will probably : Be buggy as hell. Have arouns a tenth of the content it teased. Probably need a lot of work to make it viable. BUT Hytale has potential, and that's what a trailer and a beta is about, potential. Wollay made a lot of small improvement, and trust me, as a game dev, you learn by hitting the ground, and the harder it gets, the funnier it is to finaly make it good, but this comes with a looming tentation to just scraps everything and go from scratch with what you just learnt, wollay kindof did that. Also, am i crazy or did you just changed your icon, i 'm hella confused rn XD

[@Promuch971]

@@daydreamteam1366 still no updates LOL

[@pepitothefrogito7372]

The sad reality of a dev that forgot one of the most important parts of game development: User feedback.

[@vanilla8956]

Me and my friends are horribly depressed about this...

[@devilblackdeath]

I'm super depressed. If I ever get asked what the biggest gamedev fiasco is, I'll answer without thinking "Cube World". The fact he did have the game everyone wanted back in 2016-2017 and just scrapped all that content... God, just why ? Why would you murder and torture your game that way ?

[@daydreamteam1366]

@@devilblackdeath perfectionism, doubt in your ability to know better or do enough, fear of fanbase disapointment. For a gamedev, those things can be a nightmare, and as a gamedev, after an unsuccessful update, the LAST thing i want is ppl complaining, and the thing i'm looking for the most is feedback

[@devilblackdeath]

@@daydreamteam1366 I get that but one has to wonder how things went that far when they never did for any other somewhat decent game. The dude received all the support in the world after releasing the alpha and people said they were ready to have broken updates and even updates that break the saves! I get doubt, but if all the player base reassures you I don't get it anymore :S

[@daydreamteam1366]

@@devilblackdeath that's the problem, all player base didn't reassure him, he got threats, insults, he even got ddosd. That can shake

[@zm0rc]

Imagine getting depressed from a video game. You arent DEPRESSED, youre disappointed. Fucking millenials obsession with being sad pathetic losers is mind boggling. Learn your own emotions ffs.

[@tristanjones728]

I really love how accurately you describe the feelings of following this game for so many years. Rip cube world alpha

[@NibNibNib]

Have you heard of the tragedy of Darth Wollay the Wise? Some say he could even keep an unreleased game from dying

[@davidhong1934]

Sadly, though he could prevent death, he could not give it a reason to live

[@vickytaped]

I remember this game it feels like 20 years since I last heard about it 😂

[@joshjohncy9376]

Skill trees are without a doubt one of the most addicting traits for an RPG, that feeling of becoming stronger is pure bliss

[@BurmudaTriangleTV]

As someone who didn't pay a ton of attention to the development of this game, it was crazy to see the awe and excitement in alpha, the suspicion, the hype pre-launch, the uproar, and then the terrifying silence of a dead community and a dead game. It honestly scares me that it could happen to any game and just like that... it's over.

[@Powerate]

I wished he released his other version of the game as 2017 cube world looked the best

[@daydreamteam1366]

two outcomes, either the features we heard of are still coming to live but just later, or he indeed changed plans and god know what will happen

[@Fishir.]

Me earlier "You can roll back the game to the alpha via the steam properties tab." You cannot role back since the tab for previous versions is not enabled for this game

[@Fishir.]

@@Sbreddragon I was informed by one of my freinds that it was possible under the bata tab. I'm checking right now to verify. Sorry should have checked first before commenting.

[@kansiwiz]

@@Fishir. so can you?

[@Fishir.]

@@kansiwiz you cannot, since the developer has not enabled this function for any users.

[@kingmegart]

Oh hey I remember making the thumbnail art a long whole ago!

[@ProbablyJacob]

LMAO what are the odds youd show up here

[@kingmegart]

@@ProbablyJacob you showed up in a suggested video actually xD

[@taruden2529]

This was an excellent telling of the Cube World story.

[@DeadHawk23]

Wow... it's as if a game dev with almost 0 player feedback made something nobody likes.

[@oldarchival308]

0 feedback?!

[@DeadHawk23]

@@oldarchival308 I mean how many people played the game when he was working on those new ideas. He never released them to the public. I assume he may have had a small group of people or just himself play testing it.

[@oldarchival308]

@@DeadHawk23 and whose fault is that?

[@DeadHawk23]

@@oldarchival308 Well... the developer wol_lay. Him and his wife took the game off the market and worked on it in silence for the past few years. Sadly they made a very different game it looks like.

[@voidmantis9133]

when you ask your mom if you did great ....

[@KiDmO365]

Honestly this is where the community having access the past few years could have really helped.

[@annoyingkraken]

I just saw "cubeworld" on a comment in one of the Hytale videos and I was brought to your video after searching the keyword. Your eloquence at the start of the video caught and held my attention to have me completely intrigued with the whole video! :D :D Well made video! :)

[@spoonikle]

I was so hyped. Then destroyed. Cube world alpha was accidental perfection, its only failing was limited content.

[@IkEisawesome7]

Damn I remember when I bought this game years and years ago. It was honestly really fun the way it was, but I was hoping the official release would just be an expansion of the original. Edit: Man watching the into really hit me with the nostalgia. I miss this game and that time in my life. Getting the red gear is also where I quit after getting some different allies Edit 2: I forgot about the weapon customization too, that shit was so cool. I loved designing different weapons and making cool looking stuff. Edit 3: Wow. No progression and regionalized loot. What the hell was he thinking when he changed this. I'm actually blown away.

[@davidholloway6950]

This game was addictive and extremely satisfying like nothing else was. So sad to see what happened to it :(

[@thedapperturkey]

Basically wollay sadly pulled a tryed to fix something that wasn’t broken

[@Stefiou974]

Stop saying it's free when you paid the alpha ! It was an early access !

[@diatomsaus]

He said if you had the alpha you get the beta build for free which was generous and showed he isn't conning, but the results for alpha players was a disappointment nonetheless.

[@xL1PEx]

@@diatomsaus It's not "generous", it's merely his obligation having already sold the game and promises to these people, not that it seems they got anything better out of it than what they already had.

[@diatomsaus]

@@xL1PEx Yeah you have a good point. I agree with you.

[@lorenzskyfall7046]

Now we can just hope that Hytale will be the game we've all been waiting for

[@Sakdos]

With community content, it will !

[@zeltzamer4010]

Hytale just looks like yet another voxel-based game with a confused identity. The only reason it's notable is because it's being developed by Hypixel - which doesn't mean it'll be any good.

[@Thelizardwizardd]

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[@alarioderpp_control000aa9]

Yeah, its planned release in 2021. But guys, look at it the positive light; anyone who wanted to play it will have it definitely at 2022. For that reason, I am so glad to know Hytale has a development team. Until then gentlemen, I will return to this comment every day in the hope of Hytale being the game we have all been searching for.

[@user-bk8vo6pi9i]

@@zeltzamer4010 they have literally started development in 2015

[@gusty7153]

the artifact leveling system is basically legend of zelda, but instead of increasing health points at a flat rate, its increasing arbitrary movement stat at a perscentage

[@sebasse7956]

Maybe he just wanted to get rid of those "Believers" xD

[@Baitos]

Something in my opinion that could improve cube world beta while keeping its main mechanic still in it is, remove the region lock and have a progressive difficulty and better loot scale up as you explore and instead of artificers giving you small movement boosts. You can then use them in the skill tree to increase damage. Movement and other stuff. My opinion that would be great. Will make it really unique than other rpgs.

[@kyo4973]

i waited 6 years for this, i was addicted to the alpha and the exploration was my favorite part of the game. now it feels punishing to explore, its such a huge change from what i was used to. change is good, but punishing exploration in an open world game? i didnt like it one bit. the progression also feels SO minimal that it doesnt even matter, and the skills you level up now mean basically nothing. i got my $20 worth, but having waited 6 years for what it is now makes me feel a bit sad. i can only pray that wollay will reintroduce some of the alpha customization and progression and maybe bring back that amazing feeling i had years ago.

[@nikosrnec]

@@volcanosumit Not really, you are discouraged from going into other regions because your progress literally resets to zero.

[@MarcosAlexandre-no3qx]

Well Alpha Pirates Will explode If they updated the Alpha version of everyone

[@nikosrnec]

@@chrissniderman8857 retarded reply, he waited for 6 years because it took 6 years to make, just because you don't know the date of something doesn't mean you can't wait for it, what kind of fucked logic is that.

[@kyo4973]

@@chrissniderman8857 im not "pretending" this affected me, and yes i waited 6 years for this. i put a lot of time into this game, the alpha, and was sad when updates stopped getting pushed out. this *did* affect me, i feel genuine sadness because i wanted to love this game when i got to finally see it release. i'm sure you'd feel the same way if it happened to something you're passionate about.

[@kyo4973]

@@volcanosumit exploration is not encouraged. not between regions. you can explore a single region all you want and get as powerful as you choose to be, yes. but once you leave a region youre completely reset. i don't feel like im making any progress because the "rewards" (artifacts) make such a minimal impact on stats that don't even matter much to me. this on top of getting rid of your exploration items (boat, glider, etc) makes me *not* want to explore. the alpha let me explore as much as i wanted to, the beta took that away from me

[@daviddaristo4446]

great analysis, subscribed.

[@thetruthexperiment]

i've never seen this. the aesthetic is so compelling. the clouds and trees are so attractive. i love it. I really want to play it.

[@rasmustagu]

also got me interested in Spore's development now, wish you could have made a segment on it. Again, great review

[@TheKeksadler]

Having only played entirely in just a single area so far, I had no idea that the game had no such sense of progress. Nor had I realized the game had gotten rid of skills in general. I feel like my expectations were utterly betrayed. I still really appreciate the game not being thrown away by the dev and I have to say, the first 4 hours have been a hell of a blast, but the design flaws brought up in the video are pretty shocking. If nothing else, I hope a modding community could bring back some of its older glory.

[@hrvoje5061]

Read your comment mate. You liked the game until you watched the video. Don't copy someone elses opinio create yours based on playing the game.

[@whypper8427]

Idk at first I was confused from the lack of xp, then I had a ton of fun, found out about the region lock, now it's still fun but something feels a bit off. I do prefer the new map, I hated to mostly play in plains and rarely see other biomes. Plus in the alpha I would just run in 'a straight line' and just skip dungeons I couldn't beat, in the beta I've spend way more time per region and had to come back to the quests. All in all I would have still bought it again

[@hajimenagumo4149]

​@@hrvoje5061 He isn't really copying someone else's opinions, he is just agreeing with what's presented in the video

[@TheKeksadler]

@@hrvoje5061 I mean you aren't wrong. I had only vague memories of the alpha and the 4 hours I've played so far have been very fun. There's nothing wrong with changing my opinion of the game entirely based on information I had not previously understood about the game. If you actually read my comment, you would have known that I've only played in a single area, I wouldn't have encountered the lack of progression issue quite yet. In fact, I still hadn't even obtained my first artifact, so I didn't know how little they affected the overall stats of the player. What you're telling me to do is forego this newfound information for my original, uniformed opinion. That's like saying you liked a terrible movie because you've only seen the one scene that's well made.

[@hrvoje5061]

@@TheKeksadler I think you shouldn't get your expectations low. The game is definetely better now than before. It gives you a different look at an RPG which some people just can't accept. I am sorry for not fully understanding your comment I am really pissed that people are hating on Wollay when he didin't do much wrong. It's an amazing game especialy after the update.

[@pixelseph]

I'm a year late but hopefully this helps. I am a solo indie developer of over 5 years now, project fatigues is a KILLER. The best way to avoid such a disaster like this is plainly not announcing the game/project until you have a very good an substantial basis to the game and a semi solid plan for execution post announcement. I have been working on my project for 2 almost 3 years and although I discuss it I never officially announce it as I unfortunately do not have a solid enough basis yet. This actually is the case due to changes in vision, my game has gone through 3 or 4 redesigns at this point and I needed to go though the reiterations to finally land on a concept I can roll with nearly without effort. Game dev in the early stages is hit or miss, trial and error. Be patient on announcing/ releasing into early access, best advice I could give to avoid another Cube World situation

[@ShadeKirby500]

This is like an inverse of Daemon X Machina, where the developers actually sought input from players to improve the game. Its first demo was poorly received, but its final result made people happier. A smalltime indie developer, creates a successful indie alpha, and spends years making mistakes and sabotaging the bottled lightning they had.

[@doggokiller4584]

At first I was like, I should get this game, then I was like, OOF

[@andrew-paulclements1502]

I once held faith in Cube World but the prophet lied many years of waiting, and salvation never came, the great journey never began

[@24Arrian]

Andrue Klements ikr I was issued through but there are mods you can get to fix the game

[@AkariRosumashi]

Is that a fucking Covenant reference-

[@Reaper-ml6ly]

I can't think of a better example of a monkey paw situation occuring in real life then this game.

[@wb-silva7539]

I think that everything that he add was a great ideia, but poorly executed. Instead of Regional locker, it should be Regional Bonus: all the gear u get in that region would have a little buff, and out of that region, it would lose the buff, but still have the same stats. Instead of the Artifacts giving um +1 in movement stats, it should comes to the player choose where to put that +1(or more): by that, wolay could bring the skill tree back. Exp and Artifacts could co-exist, levels would give u +1 and artifacts +1(or more): two ways to progress.

[@daydreamteam1366]

Your idea was close to mine. If you played wow in the not so recent years, at some point, the goal od the devs was to make the players plays less for health issues. So they made a negative feedback loop, that made players win less and less xp the longer they played in one session. But ppl were pissed, so instead, they made a poditive feedback loop, where people that took a break could get more xp for a while, encouraging taking breaks while buffing instead of nerfing. He need to think about a positive feedback for exploring

[@temok3643]

@@volcanosumit and right now i dont want to explore the world because i dont want to loose all of my gear. In the Alpha i could have the most strongest weapons and the mobs would still trash me cause they scale with me

[@temok3643]

@@volcanosumit why should i explore if im gonna loose all of my progress again ??? i dont like starting from scratch every 5h and no artifact dont give shit. The system is stupid imo

[@woochtheorangecat5497]

I’ve spent years looking for this game... Thank you for showing me it again,

[@Dplusithicus]

"Someone who dreams of making their own game one day," Oh how I wish you knew my pain as of making this comment. Game Development and Design: NOT EASY. I didn't think of it as easy before I started my current two projects, but now it's a nightmare that goes on even after I wake up.

[@ProbablyJacob]

Yeah its not easy, i also have several failed projects just gotta keep moving though

[@Ryuukiwi]

man this is super depressing, but im still a believer call me a fool but i hope wollay can actually open up to the community and except that he needs some help.

[@gameoa1163]

I cry every time I watch one of these videos. Oh cube world, you were the chosen one, how could you have fallen so far

[@crossroads2361]

I feel bad for the creator. His overwhelming sense of perfection made him remake the game. What he needs to do is to hire a dev team.

[@rope435]

@@PeachDragon_ Just another apologist, nothing new

[@fuzzybat23]

His pc got fragged and, like a noob, he didn't have a backup. So it ended up being a full rewrite. That's one possibility.

[@jacobgentile3351]

You can pirate the alpha build to this day, he could have gotten it back if that was the case

[@ryanzwe]

Nah, he would have every change backed up on github

[@dustinm2717]

@@ryanzwe not everyone uses a git server though imo you should use git along with a remote repo, since it's handy (even as a single dev) But some still don't

[@ryanzwe]

@@dustinm2717 I dont know anyone who has ever used their own git server over external repo, either way there a 9999999999% chance the dev used version control

[@Naplingbat]

coming back and finishing this up, I really hope people can be level headed enough to not scare the dev away, and that the dev can be reasonable enough to pull a no mans sky and pull the game back. It really does look so great.

[@liv.s.]

I remember when Paul Soars Jr. played this.

[@davidhong1934]

You missed clay