The Tragedy of Cube World

[@robokast]

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[@ryanvandoren1519]

Yep played the he'll out of the Tony Hawk games back on the ps1&2

[@Coael]

MX vs ATV had to have been my favorite extreme sports game of all time.

[@TopShelfization]

One of the steam reviews said "WinRAR is a better purchase" lmao, I'm crying 🤣

[@TopShelfization]

tbf, if we be generous and say only half the peak users were paying customers and taking steams 30% cut into account, he made make over 100k from this.

[@squidno4902]

@Bzake you know google exsists

[@jazzling]

@@yourfriendlymemedeliverygu7493 Why is it 'infamous'?

[@Channel9iNE]

@@jazzling because its trial is a minor annoyance, and is pretty well known

[@ftgodlygoose4718]

@@TopShelfization yeah probably but that’s not much for 8 years of work. But then again people who make games don’t just do it for the money.

[@mysticat]

it really is so sad, the game could have been so fun :/

[@MegaNexas]

Even though the game has been in development for years, it just feels so rushed and a lot of feautures didnt really fit the game. It could've been a masterpiece if he communicated and interacted with his fanbase a lot more and not just dissapear out of nowhere. I do feel bad for him if he did experience deppresion and anxiety, but he just practicaly robbed his fanbase of there money in exchange for a bad experience. I dont know that was just my opinion your free to have your own.

[@ILoveBeppe]

He’s reworking the ‘arcade’ part of the game! Skill tree, exp, and i think hes also adding a bunch of new stuff, SUPER HYPED FOR THAT

[@Nick-Bel]

I am gonna search if the Game is still in Steam it sounds like a cool game i have low standars for Games just by having fin is all i need and since i did not Heard of cube world in me life i only discoverded now the day i watced this vídeo i don't have hype the only things i Will get is well an indie Game in it's purest form a Game that good or Bad if You can have a little of fun Then is not a fáiled game so yeah i would play it what about You people

[@viggecokarlittecola4655]

@@ILoveBeppe he is gonna do that in the now???? the game was rereleased in a very shity vesion in 2019 and hasent uppdated shit probebly beucase it was so bad and they dont know waht they are doing

[@ILoveBeppe]

@@viggecokarlittecola4655 U gotta remember its just a husband and wife working on it. not actual game devs... and yes hes gonna do that in the steam release.

[@stingyryy]

Would love to see a no-mans-sky redemption arc with this one. It definitely has a load of potential and the framework is there.

[@reggie9595]

It's probably too late for a redemption arc don't you think?

[@lukeyyyyyy]

@@reggie9595 they redeemed themselves years ago and have released free updates ever since. they just recently added settlements with the frontiers expansion for free.

[@reggie9595]

@@lukeyyyyyy I'm talking about Cube World

[@lukeyyyyyy]

@@reggie9595 o

[@Jana-gi7vf]

@@reggie9595 I for sure would pick it up again if it would become good, I want to see it succeed, deep down I'm still hoping that some day it might become good even tho the chances are really slim for it to ever happen, I love this game so much and it could be a lot of fun by removing just a few things and adding some stuff to keep things interesting for some time

[@foolishwizard4541]

This isn't really relevant but Wolfram VonFunck is probably one of the coolest sounding names I have ever heard

[@nathanieldonald6717]

@⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻ ....

[@gavinthecrafter]

I can't imagine all of the typos of his last name that occurred...

[@ILoveBeppe]

Wolfram VonFuck

[@testamen3013]

@@ILoveBeppe vonfuck lol

[@testamen3013]

I feel like I wanna use that name for something

[@urban_rural1256]

Man, I remember being hyped for cube world way back when I was in middle school. It looked so cool and unique. I'm a full grown adult with a salary job now, and it's still disappointing to learn that cube world went down like this, even after not thinking about it for years on end. Oh well. There's always the next big game.

[@elecman748]

Like cyberpunk

[@RedPlaystationController]

Lol bs

[@RedPlaystationController]

you do not have a salary job just stop

[@RedPlaystationController]

prove it loser

[@RedPlaystationController]

@@100percentNotaBot middle school to salary job in less than 10 years? Yeah I'm calling bs. People just like to say anything to make their comment more credible.

[@drshongos1972]

8:03 Not true. A streamer DMed Wollay on Twitter back in May, and he got a screenshot of a new gamemode that works pretty similar to Alpha. Some guy also received a reply of an E-Mail near the end of february of this year, where he stated that he re-added big cities, a worldgen without separated lands and improving the new progression system along with changing quests and lore.

[@robokast]

thanks for the update! I pinned your comment where people know about this!

[@drshongos1972]

@@robokast No problem!

[@lawler197]

if i may? that could have easily been faked. nothing has officially been posted by wollay, and there have been fake leaks before.

[@todessehnsucht]

@@lawler197 it's not fake goddamnit, it's in the discord server AND there's a history of the screenshots posted there being real. back when people liked to talk out of their asses and affirm with all the certainty of the world that the game was dead and it would never have an actual release, it was there where screenshots were posted, with wollay answering people's emails, giving confirmation that he hadn't abandoned the game, which was indeed true, because a new version was actually released. the screenshot about this streamer may be fake, i don't even think it has been added to #signs-of-wollay, which basically discredits it, but the other one is legit.

[@lawler197]

@@todessehnsucht Well, I suppose we will see. no need to be aggressive, but the last time we counted on wollay getting it right, this happened.

[@MilkmanCR]

There was a huge Cube World discord that was up for YEARS waiting for the game to come out. Within a week of it launching it turned into a negative hate train and soon after that the entire discord went baron and was deleted. Such a huge amount of loyal fans just shat on

[@robokast]

Damn, that's disappointing. Did wollay run the Discord?

[@alvsolutely9710]

@@robokast I don't think Wollay uses discord

[@pikyso8616]

The discord is still up and many people are still active in it, including myself

[@Thewaterspirit57]

Dude. being "Loyal fans" also doesn't allow you to be toxic as hell to someone really trying their best with a really well received alpha game :V the guy was already stressed enough from just the Alpha being well received, and having soo much pressure placed on him

[@pegasaurisrex9707]

@@pikyso8616 was it actually deleted? I'm still in it, don't remember needing to rejoin it. I could be totally wrong, and just forgot. I remember that last year they faked becoming a hytale server for April fools... but not much else

[@gnolex86]

Projects that are spread out over long periods of time are often doomed to fail. We've seen this happen before. Over many years, the ideas developers themselves have about what their game should be can change drastically, things are scrapped and redone, core gameplay elements are changed significantly. Cube World is a victim of that. If the game was released in the state players liked it, I'm sure it wouldn't be the kind of disappointment it is now. The whole story is indeed a tragedy.

[@fernandoc5536]

Doesn't help that the dev was incredibly scarce on the details of what he was doing rather than asking his audience directly what they would think of certain changes he'd like to implement. Let's hope this is not the last of Cube World.

[@texasmama3084]

RIP terraria 2

[@Blaez_Dev]

@@fernandoc5536 it wasn't necessarily their right to demand changes; speaking as someone in the field. The man and his wife made the game they wanted to make; dude felt depressed as hell then had what he viewed as a magnum opus shit on heavily with nothing but a deluge of bug fixes, requests for extensive changes that would take months and hate.. honestly I wouldn't be surprised if he was seriously depressed on that especially if he was working on it purely as a passion project.

[@tonykhang1984]

omori

[@irmaosmatos4026]

And, more time before release, more expectative people create, and the game become something it never was, because of people's expectative.

[@Gaster601]

As an alpha-backer, beta player and also seen in the video (thanks by the way), let me explain how it went (warning, wall of text): We as the community were hyped beyond belief after wollay anounced the release and the beta. There were no infos about the removed features, changes and so on so NOBODY knew that the game would be in such a state 1 week before release. The feeling of starting cube world was amazing, finally we were able to play the game of our childhood and/or teenage years after 6 years of silence from wollay. That feeling vanished after a few hours ingame as the complete lack of stuff to do while the combat being completely unbalanced was blatantly obvious. Not only that, but gear that you farmed for hours was getting nerfed so much suddenly that it became useless, even travel gear that was a hassle to collect got removed as soon as you crossed a border. Have fun swimming in an ocean biome I guess. The artifacts, that were the shining light at the end of the shit-fest tunnel were nothing but useless travel upgrades and illumination buffs for the lamp and even those were broken as 3 of them didn't even do anything and to this day, still don't. The community was annoyed but hopeful that wollay would fix things in that one week and opened up threads. People were listing bugs, problems and other errors, BEGGING him to add a few weeks to the beta to patch out bugs and add additional content as the current game was unfulfilling and sometimes downright cruel to players. Those people got silenced, called toxic haters, banned, threads got removed and so much more. Every thread that dared to shine a light on the problems this game has was outright closed and deleted. People got pissed, rightfully. We wanted to help wollay, but for that we got punished. We wanted this game to succeed, but got the boot for trying to make wollay mindful of those things. Some people went overboard, yes. I won't defend the ones that were calling for violence, that were harrassing others. But I also won't defend white knights that were flinging toxic sludge at people and their helpful informations this game ABSOLUTELY needed while also presenting wollay as a perfect, never-being-wrong godlike entity. The things wollay created and that are not broken are a sight to behold, the game looks nice, traversing the lands feels amazing and the combat in itself was rewarding (except when you met enemy wizards that aimbotted you across the world) in some places. The things he released broken were just baffling though. Artifacts, the flagship of this game, the ENDGAME CONTENT, were and are still broken. Enemies are uninteresting and just run to you in a straight line. Boss fights are just a slog in which the one with the bigger health pool or cheese tactics wins. Some artifacts spawn in lava lakes, entries to dungeons are generated INSIDE indestructible world geometry. Features got removed or severely dumbed down like the skill tree (that is completely open as soon as you start). the leveling system is gone and towns were more sterile (they were much bigger and more interesting in the alpha, they even got ROADS back then), weapon upgrading is now useless because as soon as you cross a border the weapon and armor became useless, spirit cubes were outright removed without any reason, the "lore" is just random gibberish that doesn't add anything at all (stuff like "the king of XYZ got killed by a snail), planned factions were not implemented, breakable terrain is a thing of the past, planned base building is not in the game and so much more. The game as a whole feels like a test environment with features that clash with each other, are broken or unbalanced. The player is not at fault here, it's wollay. HE was showing off his new "systems" via screenshots on twitter and hyping up the crowd, HE was the one who ignored his own road map while not changing it until release, HE was the one that didn't inform anyone, HE was the one who removed features and HE was the one developing it. he, as a software dev, was also dumb enough to store ALL THE GAME KEYS IN PLAIN SIGHT on the pretty unsecured website server, thus them getting stolen by a skript kiddie. Not the player and the fan community is at fault, he alone is. The DDOS maybe broke something in wollay, yes, but we don't exactly know if that DDOS was of malicious origin. People were so interested in the game that his server maybe got overloaded with repeated connection requests, which has the same effects as a DDOS. Wollay probably didn't imagine his game to become such a big thing and was, because of that, not investing in a DDOS protection or better server that could've prevented the whole thing. I'm not saying that wollay is at fault but it still happened, server crashes are a normal thing though, nothing to be scared of, especially getting PTSD from it. Before anyone says "He was depressed, he wasn't able to talk with people", get this: His wive could've taken that spot or he could've even hired a PR guy for it. The game was a money printing machine back then, the money was there. Invest the money in a better server and people who talk FOR you. Heck, even mojang was interested in the game and wanted to help him with the game by offering him a job while entrusting him with complete control over cubeworld and the development, but he refused. HE REFUSED FREE MONEY, A WHOLE COMPANY OF TALENTED PEOPLE AND HELP BECAUSE "MUH GAME"! Instead he chose a closed system development with only him and his wive as the developer, designer, tester and manager. There was a CLEAR lack of feedback, he got completely lost in his vision of a "perfect" cube world. That "perfect" world isn't as perfect as he invisioned, though, visible through the broken, unbalanced and clashing CORE systems. Some people also say "He doesn't owe you anything, it was his PaSsIoN pRoJeCt". No, no it was not. It ended being his passion project as soon as he took money from people. It became a product as soon as people BOUGHT the game and customers have a right to a FUNTIONING product. He promised so much and kept so little of those promises, no wonder people were angy, myself included. He promised us a voxel-based exploration RPG and he gave us a voxel-based game with uninteresting exploration (if you can even call it that as the map is ALWAYS FULLY VISIBLE, nothing to explore here) and less RPG elements than Minecraft and a gameplay loop that completely hinders a player from developing a character the way he wants as the character is getting reset to 0 after a border walk except some atrificial boosts you can't even use as the traversal items are gone, too. The one thing people agree on is that, if he had COMMUNICATED those changes and showed interest in the thoughts of his players/payers, the whole thing could've been prevented and/or massively cooled down. Most people weren't pissy about the game but were hating the way wollay handled things in the first place. The game as a whole could've been made better if he was able to communicate with the ones who were financing his dream. Instead he ignored everyone, got lost in his own inclusive dev cycle and burned down the bridge between him and the community, again, in the same way he did back in 2013. It is quite sad to be honest that, to most of those problems, the answer was "communication". The biggest problem was also the easiest to fix but he didn't manage to see it that way and did the exact opposite... All in all, wollay did so much wrong in those years that it baffles me that he managed to slither around lawsuits. Oh, one thing: he never EVER said sorry ONCE for going into hiding without notice. He got his pity party, we didn't get an apology for the YEARS of being ghosted. That tells us much about wollay.

[@marcforrester7738]

The lawsuit thing at least is depressingly easy to explain: Consumer protection institutions are operated by people that still call all videogames 'Nintendos' and are proudly unable to distinguish Red Dead from Cyberpunk. They'd glance at the little man running around in response to button presses and rubber stamp the whole thing 'product fit for purpose, no case to answer'.

[@marcforrester7738]

> beta male Way to tattoo 'proudly socially inept' across your own forehead there.

[@Gaster601]

@silverfoxeater Funny how worked up you get, it seems that you have some problems yourself with apologiszing. An apology is something simple and has nothing to do with "fee-wees" as you call it. It's a way of showing that you changed your ways, that you see your own faults and won't do the same mistake. Saying sorry is not hard and shows that you bettered yourself, after 6 years of hiding a simple sorry shouldn't be a hurdle for your broken self worth. A simple apology can fix so much and show that you grew as a human being as you see your own wrong actions. Not to mention that an apology would also show respect to the ones that waited for you. Don't you apologize when you're invited to someone and show up late without announcing it? If not, then you should as it's a simple way of respecting the ones you left hanging. Not apologizing just shows that you didn't change and don't see a problem with the actions you chose to go with.

[@seliamila1005]

@silverfoxeater beta male? You are sad

[@RommekePommeke]

@silverfoxeater Sir it is 2021. Unironically calling people beta males is pretty pathetic and Discord Moderator-like of yours, which is incredibly bad for your reputation as a whole.

[@xlmtap1192]

one of the reasons a lot of people like indie games is the connection between the developers and the community. In this case, that connection was lost.

[@Uncle_Fred]

Please, do more of the successes and failures of these relatively unknown indie titles. They're fascinating.

[@robokast]

Will do!

[@gabagoo_grimbo]

Vouche

[@danimadi3]

Let's be honest here, if you think CubeWorld is a relatively unknown title - you didn't have internet in 2013. Shit blew up so much, even as a Russian I heard of the game.

[@ak_ari1686]

@@danimadi3 yea that game got more popular than minecraft at the time until it disappeared

[@powerrangerblue8566]

Even I knew about it and I didn't even know who pewdipie was at thr time

[@Isaacfess]

I remember playing the Alpha with my friends years ago. Heard about the silence afterwards, heard of the new tweets. Then it popped up on Steam to crazy negative reviews. Real sad story, it's almost like the Alpha is better *still* . Game could have been so much more.

[@captnduck]

Played both and yeah the alpha was better. It was more buggy and crashprone. After doing a number of streams of it i got bored of it but it had potential. Now the 2019 release, i tried to like it but the game design decisions were just awful. You just end up running over a map hoping to find monsters that wouldnt oneshot you, kitting slowly back up, only to lose it all if you stepped over a zone border. Such a weird way to do a game.

[@richi2703]

So, I found a way to play the alpha again... Does anybody know how I could play the multi-player now?

[@ZargorrOG]

@@richi2703 Port-foward or use hamachi

[@marcforrester7738]

If you have the alpha it should come with a server.exe in the same folder. It's basically the same deal as multiplayer Minecraft or Valheim.

[@richi2703]

@@marcforrester7738 thx mate, I already tried it, but it didn't work. Now I found mods for the full version which deactivats the region lock

[@saddydummy3004]

Honestly, this entire story just makes me sad. I remember watching some KZbinrs play this game back 2011 and i practically loved the game at first sight. now all we have is just a steam page with a really painful "mixed" rating. :(

[@ธนาเดชศุภนัทนพร]

I’ve seen it in 2014 But still this made me sad

[@HyPNoTiKx]

Wollay was already having anxiety about it, and unfortunately it looks like he was right to be anxious. I can only imagine how he feels about the project now.

[@johngrave5554]

@@HyPNoTiKx lmao the guy scammed people for 5+ years. Like the video said if he just wanted to move on should have made it free to play not charge 20 bucks.

[@UmUs]

Same, such a good game...

[@HyPNoTiKx]

Yep, should have made it free imo

[@IntensePeppers]

Veloren is picking up where cube world left off. It's open source with an active group of unpaid devs and is actually seeing regular weekly updates

[@jordanlok365]

thx man was looking for games like cubeworld in these depressing days of game failing era

[@GrannyBender]

Thank you for the recommendation, it does look super cool!

[@IntensePeppers]

No problem 👍

[@pedrogalvao6936]

Thanks for the recommendation, man, it looks awesome

[@childrenofthesun471]

New version of CubeWorld is coming out, called CubeWorld Omega

[@Spaceboyy95]

This is why dev communication is important and the cycle of feedback -> changes -> feedback is crucial for indie games

[@MegaGadgetdude]

I always find it weird no one talks about how Mojang offered Wolley a dev job. This was right after he posted of the not yet releases CW Alpha. He made it through the interview process and just had to sign the contract, but he decided he would, and im paraphrasing, rather have freedom to work as he wanted with his wife. Jeb and/or notch twitted that the hiring didn't go through because Wolley decided to stay indie, and that they respected that. This is all from my memory, so there is that. I also couldnt find those tweets. probably deleted because maybe they saw it as quasi unprofessional to talk about the hiring process of specific devs.

[@fumothfan9]

Sony offering NMS devs resources vibes. Seriously the patterns are all there. It makes sense the guy didn't sign. He probably would've been fired after a couple of weeks, months at best.

[@fumothfan9]

@Higgs Bonbon ends justify the means i guess but it shouldn't become the standard. Still i agree. Cubeworld never improved prior to official launch. At least not in anyway worth bragging about.

[@dwave2fly]

Imagine if Microsoft published cube world and in turn got the proper treatment it needed

[@Wizard4k]

Hopefully Hytale won’t end up like this

[@davidtyierejian1033]

Riot bought it so i wouldn't have high expectations

[@ThaWolloW]

@@davidtyierejian1033 Why? That should give you more hope. The studio got acquired but they still have their freedom.

[@legendarynoodle2438]

@@davidtyierejian1033?

[@Moostar95]

I Fucking hope not.

[@legendarynoodle2438]

@@davidtyierejian1033??

[@rorrim0]

"Do people have the right to be mad." When money is involved the answer should be yes.

[@gnerkus]

Exactly. Few people would be bothered if was free.

[@charleszp938]

You don't need the right to be mad to be mad.

[@rorrim0]

@@charleszp938 You can argue that most definitely as yeah everyone has the right to feel the way they do. I do however think when people ask this, the context for the discussion of the question is "Are the feelings justified?" And id say yes.

[@rorrim0]

@bree walden; womanizer Well how do you quantify that argument? Seeing as you suggest people read reviews, that would imply you do at least agree some people are justified in being mad, because some people do have to buy the game. So what's the cutoff date ? A better argument is reviewers off Steam could play said game and discovered the scope in which how bad it was without playing 8 hours, then put down a review before the deadline of the refund. Thus meaning they didn't have to lose money, and could warn people having most of the responsibility of finical loss on the consumer in this argument.(Have no idea if cubeworld was sold on other platforms) So yeah if your a steam user and cubeworld was only sold on steam I can see that point of view.

[@rorrim0]

@bree walden; womanizer That also if the game is completable within 8 hours and the overall suckage of said game could sink in under 8 hours of game play.

[@XiloTheOdd]

hi, im one of the guys who's post was in the video. to add to the end points of the video and releasing the game for free. one thing to remember, his software was developed under a german software development initiative of some kind. basically government hosted funding for software development. i dont remember the fine details but i imagine to qualify for this funding, you have to eventually sell your product or make a return of some kind to continue getting the funding. so to an extent, he probably had to charge for it under those stipulations. not ideal but if he truly is ditching the game then this was the minimum to do so. still, not a defense of his actions. he could have come forth and explained everything, then it'd be on the community to understand or not.

[@XiloTheOdd]

also, too bad RoboKast couldnt have seen the massive criticism censoring during the closed beta on steam forums. a mix of valid rule breaking posts being banned, players finding dangerous exploits with the steam network portions of the code and trying to research them and share findings in the forum being banned, to valid opinion and criticism just being outright deleted by fanboy moderators and Pixxie herself. name a steam forum scandal on rights to free speech and this eclipses it easily.

[@vuthara8725]

Well this answered my questions about people attempting to sue him and his wife, certainly not the best deal to have taken, and possibly a reason behind him refusing Mojang. This is very likely a very grey issue, considering government hosted funding? Yeah, this was doomed from the start, no matter how good it should have been, there were fingers in that pie already.

[@glocrowhurst]

One question I have: Where was Sarah in all of this? I wonder if they had a falling out. I feel bad for Wolfram. We have no idea what was going on in his life. And if this started out as a passion project, maybe he was entirely unprepared for the responsibility for managing a hugely popular game.

[@alexbaker9996]

that is my thinking i thought maybe sarah/pixie left wolfram through the games production and he lied and covered it up with the fear of failure

[@ricksanchez3557]

@@alexbaker9996 That's my working theory too. It would explain the development trouble, his disappearance, his need to get the game released so people stop talking to him about it. I believe it's also possible she passed away, that would explain it also.

[@littlemoth4956]

@@ricksanchez3557 This is pretty gross shit right here. Say what you might and give him the benefit of the doubt but don't make theories about his partner leaving him or dying. That's way too personal, and I know if I were Wollay, I'd fucking hate if someone did that to me. Mind your own business.

[@SporianSummit]

@@ricksanchez3557 the other zoomer who replied seems to be too moronic about theories, don't worry about em, bizarre theories id say, but there does seem to be a bit of legs to stand on for it, but i do hope it aint true.

[@StormCharger]

"Is it actually right for people to be mad about this situation." If the game is still $19.99 then yes. While this was just a passion project with no actual promises given it's still a product that's being sold. And as a consumer of said product I'm pretty disappointed with the final product I bought. Does it justify the hate and insults he got? Absolutely not. Being a game developer isn't easy especially with how big his little game got I can imagine the insane pressure and anxiety it gave him. But at the end of the day it's still a product being sold so there's still some expectation especially given how long it's been with the majority of it just being silence during development and after release. Maybe if it was Free to Play the blow wouldn't have been as hard but who knows. And it honestly pains me to say all this. I've been following this game since I first saw it many years ago. And seeing how it ended up just saddens me. I was really hoping to spend hours and hours on end running around Cube World but after the 6 hour mark I just felt like I've done most of what there is to do. Hopefully down the line there will be an update for the game to improve it but I don't blame him if he decides to leave it as is.

[@pupil5763]

Then why buy it no one told you to buy it no promises were made so you cant get mad at someone for consuming there product if you didnt want to take the chance on it then dont buy it, its that simple.

[@tjcross2]

@@pupil5763 Yes you can get mad at someone for doing poorly even if they made no promises. If my friend paul says he's a good painter and shows me a number of houses he painted well and I trust him and pay him market rate to paint my walls only for him to use cheap runny paints, do a random pattern because he thought it would be fine and then moves out before I get home to see his 'work' I'd have every right to be angry at Paul even if painting is his passion because he did a shit job and charged you for it without informing you that he'd changed how he did things. If you miss the metaphors the previous works is the beta for cubeworld, moving out is going quiet and in this metaphor the painter requested payment in advance rather than a bill at the end.

[@seliamila1005]

@@pupil5763 PEOPLE PAID FOR IT, and fans supported it from day one, it was disappointing

[@kajnake5905]

Its really sad cause if the story of anxiety is true, then this is his true worst case scenario

[@jtj1128]

Was probably an excuse. This was just a scam. Release an unfinished hyped game and profit off of it.

[@handlessuck589]

@@jtj1128 lmao this isn't YandereDev.

[@AuthorityCat]

@@jtj1128 How is it a scam? I bought the alpha and loved it. The dev got paid for that. A great game already existed. Literally can't call it a scam because of that alone.

[@kalsyphr5039]

@@AuthorityCat Many people didn't get to buy Cubeworld in it's alpha, so many people who found out about the game since 2017 got scammed on the 2019 steam release. It's painfully obvious in retrospect that he wanted to appeal to the community's emotion so he could make a clean getaway in the aftermath. Just because you weren't scammed doesn't mean others weren't.

[@kayleighbrown459]

After reading some of these comments....yeah. I can kinda see where he was coming from.

[@angrygeri7026]

Thank GOD multiple people got inspired by the Alpha version of the game and started developing their own games. Veloren seems really good right now, definitely check it out if you have time! Subbed, nice vid.

[@josemaria1035]

Where can I get it?

[@Josuh]

@@josemaria1035 on google

[@raidarthegunwizard4520]

@@josemaria1035 not to be confused with "Valorant"

[@drudigger]

hey, thanks for that recommendation. Had no idea they got this far with the project.

[@angrygeri7026]

@@drudigger ikr? Thought development would last for like a year and that's it.

[@manbuckett3460]

I loved watching Cube Workd playthroughs years ago. I just always loved the look and feel of it.

[@oswaldofernandesbetarellid8276]

Honestly this video encapsulates most of my fears as a content creator, the idea that my fears, mental issues and personal issues might get in my way and cause me make bad decisions, fear criticism or just fearing failure is absolutely mortifying to me, and what hurts me most is that in a way the dev’s fears where made a reality, his fear of failure caused him to be unnable to take the criticism and people where just outright vicious to him. He did do a lot of crap granted, but most of the attacks where more personal attacks than criticism ( at least on Twitter ).

[@Gaster601]

To be fair, Wollay did almost everything wrong a developer could do wrong. - not getting feedback from anyone outside your dev group - showing screenshots of content that isn't in the game and probably never will be without making it clear - never communicating with your customers and community - if communicating, only over a proxy that is not verifyable as being legitimate (e-mail screenshot of random player) - changing core aspects without telling your customer - outright REMOVING aspects of your game which were loved by the community without telling them - practicly vanishing for multiple years - not updating roadmap - not hiring a PR guy - not hiring other people to speed up the development - never patching things - only one week of beta, thus not giving you enough time to patch stuff - silencing people who want to get your attention on problems the product has - rejected a job offer at Mojang while still retaining full control over the project - going into hiding AGAIN after silence caused another shitstorm - letting your moderators take the flak for it and ghosting them, too - and so on If you can't talk to people, then get someone on board who can. It can be a fried of yours, better is a PR guy as this person is skilled in handling bigger crowds without causing a shit-storm. But TALK with people, especially the ones who funded your product and who want to help you! Being open about things and being clear about it are the most important things in PR.

[@lucho1limte]

Just don't scamm people this dude is just playing victim

[@InnerRise]

@@lucho1limte what happened to his partner? No one is blaming her?

[@InnerRise]

@@lucho1limte what happened to his partner? No one is blaming her?

[@InnerRise]

@@lucho1limte what happened to his partner? No one is blaming her?

[@FanboyKisser]

*Sigh*, I have a friend like this, anxious and a perfectionist, so she never came around to asking people for help and most of the times not asking for critique. Once the work is done, the damage's been done and she has to deal with more anxiety. Please, always ask for help.

[@haazimmalik1133]

I'm like this, and I don't like it haha 😅

[@yankis.]

This is so me. I can never finish anything because of this.

[@chrispunkt407]

help of what kind?

[@DopeGodCA]

I have been playing Cube World since its 2011 release, Im just glad we didn't have to pay for it again, but they really ruined it with all the new stuff, and it really seems like they coulda done more in the given time.

[@centipedekid9824]

It was given like 9 years to go in the opposite direction of what made it popular.

[@XxXAllukardXxX]

If you charge money for something, peopple can be mad if you deliver sht

[@JoseSilva-ht8es]

you get what you buy, not the developer's fault that you're so gullible that you buy a game before you look it up online.

[@frabre1810]

@@JoseSilva-ht8es what the hell are you talking about, when it came out 8 years ago it was fantastic, as the internet said too, but he literally pulled it off and delivered the pile o' shite it is today, 7 years later

[@XxXAllukardXxX]

@@frabre1810 some peopple just like to protect faulty devs

[@frabre1810]

@@XxXAllukardXxX yeah as if the faulty dev knew or cared about them 😂🤣

[@valletas]

@@JoseSilva-ht8es yeah its the consumer faulty that the developer scammed them sure

[@exodiusow7649]

I remember playing cube world for a bit casually and *really* enjoying it. I'm just gonna keep those good memories

[@gavinthecrafter]

I really do hope that Hytale doesn't run into the same situation. We've been getting weekly screenshots for the past 9 months, but almost no word has been said on the games development except for a blogpost last December. It's really starting to feel like Cube World all over again... Although granted Hytale's dev team has about 70+ people compared to just 2 on Cube World's development

[@carboniml]

Hollow knight silksong is doing the same thing.

[@decas5505]

I think Hytale will be another scam

[@Bogglemanify]

@@decas5505 Doubt it will be a scam but I am worried that they will run into the problem of feature creep after reading their summer update.

[@decas5505]

@@Bogglemanify Bro what Hytale promised in the trailer is literally impossible!! For example the movie thing they promised is literally impossible to code because there is no such technology yet!! Also everything that was in the trailer was a animation, none of that was actual gameplay, meaning that when they made the trailer they didnt even have made a portion of the game Hytale? More like HYPEtale, because they hyped a lot of things of which they will never do, or at least it will take them like 20-30 years to complete with all of what they promised in the trailer

[@Bogglemanify]

@@decas5505 The movie thing is actually common among VR communities. Fake theaters where you watch videos and movies and can see each other in the virtual theater. There's even a mod that allows you to watch youtube in Minecraft so your claim that "there is no such technology yet!!" is just wrong. Yes there is a lot of the trailer was just animation but if you read their blogs, they go into detail in how they currently have them in the game with accompanied footage to back it up. None of the things shown in the trailer seem unreasonable. Everything in that trailer has been done in Minecraft before.

[@anhduc0913]

You know, considering one developer straight up disappeared, i doubt it was something so simple as a 'DDOS attack'. Something way more drastic must have happened irl, resulted in they falling out and abandoning the game.

[@elobiretv]

There never was a DDOS attack, he just had terrible servers that couldn't handle the load from everyone trying to buy it after the hype. Plenty of popular people offered to host it for him and he refused.

[@kharkovluzhin8333]

@@elobiretv sources

[@hcbs1986]

@@elobiretv So an accidental DDOS attack

[@elobiretv]

@@kharkovluzhin8333 everyone knew what was going on at the time, dude had people tweeting him offering hosting.

[@elobiretv]

@@hcbs1986 Yeah pretty much.

[@falxie_]

I feel like I remember the Yogscast playing this back in the day

[@Goremize]

They did, I watched them play it, they got me to play the Alpha :)

[@Ogi88]

Why did I read Yugoslavia...?

[@MatthewCobalt]

Honestly, yes, people do have the right to be mad. As much as the gameplay changes were meant to be what he may have wanted, it was not what community expected when they first supported the game. He may have not promised anything, but he gave people the ability to get an impression of what the game was and where it should be going. He may have not expect everything to turn out this way, but after years of stewing from the community basically guaranteed he'd hit the ground hard.

[@yeetmeat5010]

It's HIS passion project, he promised nothing, you and the rest of the community assumed, not him.

[@electro7435]

@@yeetmeat5010 if you pay money for a product then you expect it to meet the requirements of what was advertised. It is no longer a passion project if you are selling it.

[@Daedhart]

@@electro7435 Not true. Passion and income can coexist. And an alpha isnt actually advertisement, in a traditional sense. Now, if you came back and said the screenshots and video above the buy button are misrepresenting the product you get when clicking on buy, then your point is valid. @Matthew Cobalt The dangers of early access (in this case the original alpha) and/or crowdfunding should be pretty well known at this point. You buy an incomplete or currently non-existent product only to either not get it or not get what you originally expected...thats on you. Not saying Im ok with early access and crowdfunding as what they have now become, but the fact is: it exists, its a thing, caveat emptor will always apply. If youre going to be mad, be mad that the fact these two concepts have unfortunately now become mainstream and dont fall for early promises from any dev. *cough* Cyberpunk *cough* As for folks that bought the final release, Steam does finally have a refund policy. Not the best one, mind, but its there. They need but use it.

[@MatthewCobalt]

@@yeetmeat5010 You assumed I'm a part of the community. I'm not. I only advocated for the open expression of opinions by those who contributed money to the project, norhing else. I don't condone the things said by those who just let their emotions dictate what they say, however.

[@tornglory5709]

@@MatthewCobalt Didnt he stream the game publicly so people could see what it was like before they bought it?

[@cookiebombcasualemail5284]

In my mind, I want to pretend that the dev anxiety'd himself into starting the development over from scratch only to breakdown and decide he was just gonna post the half-baked remake to get some money to support himself so he could retreat inward and be alone without it nagging at the back of his head.

[@TitorEPK]

This game completely flew out of my mind. But when I saw the thumbnail, my memories of it just flew back in. What a weird feeling.

[@HuangdiJin]

Yeah sure they can be mad but they shouldn't go after the guy personally

[@themonkeyshead7520]

Yeah it’s weird that they are attacking him like the game isn’t made by two people who obviously weren’t prepared for the amount of people that the game would attract

[@cooldud7071]

@@themonkeyshead7520 And didn't do anything with the sheer amount of money they got to further it's production. They had lightning in a bottle, and they threw it away

[@SoulHydron]

@@cooldud7071 That still doesn't justify hate. Sure you can be disappointed and mad. But choosing to attack someone online and bully him because you aren't happy isn't exactly the best choice. We don't even really know what's going on with him. People knew he was struggling mentally, but did he even get better over the years?

[@cooldud7071]

@@SoulHydron "Struggling" over literally nothing.

[@SoulHydron]

@@cooldud7071 Uh huh so it's justified to attack him. Was that my main point? Are you really gonna nit pick at what I'm saying? Not cool man.

[@autumnvibes999]

Now I'm worried about the developer, he said he had depression and that his biggest fear was to fail with this game. Let's all wish him luck.

[@Cerebrums]

I can sympathize with his circumstances but I refuse to support him any further, financially or emotionally. He remains distant from all facets of his platform, be it Twitter or his game. The amount of interest I will express towards his ventures only mirrors his own.

[@Valkenhyne]

@@Cerebrums To be fair to him, he was getting so much abuse he kinda had to go quiet on social media.

[@haseebsiddiqi3409]

@@Cerebrums play hytale being made by hypixel minecrafts biggest server and they are owned by riot games now makers of league of legends it should come out this year

[@Etrius0023]

Well, he's already failed multiple times so I wouldn't worry about him.

[@armandasdemskis9013]

To be honest I don't believe him having "depression"...he most likely made up the mental issues thing so that he can kinda get away with making a shit product and making his community wait like 5 years for a game that had more stuff removed from it then it had gained... Now there are leaks of him making a new mode for the game that's supposed to be like "alpha" so that more people buy the game,and then he runs away with money once again.

[@kaynasenastaats13]

Wolay gave a list of features that he was implementing in the game on the cube world website before it got deleted. None of those features are in the game

[@d4s0n282]

this prob happened cus the amount of shit people gave wolay, thus him not doing it in the end

[@drudigger]

@@d4s0n282 Nah he removed the list after people started to call him out that he didnt do anything that he said he was working on, which is very valid because it said on the original purchase page that that content was planned and was going to be released in updates. Then there were no updates, i was already mad and skeptical of him from the first disappearance, then he did the 2019 release and followed exactly what he did with the first release, Just drum up hype, sell out and dissapear all before shit even goes down. Dude was gone before people even started to download it. He did this as a cash grab and if you followed it from the beginning like i have you see it extremely clearly that that was his intention all along he was never intending on releasing the game. It was so bad that steam was censoring the community hub for the game removing posts from people who wanted their money back.

[@d4s0n282]

@@drudigger and this is the reason he disappeared lol, cus you dont give a fuck about the devs, why else would he just disapear

[@drudigger]

@@d4s0n282 it’s not my job to care about him especially when he’s a scammer. I paid for a product and was told I would get it. I didn’t and he backpeddled on it and then did it again years later to more people on a larger platform. Your literally an idiot or blind if you can’t draw the conclusion yourself that he scammed everyone. Just look at the work done by the community over at valoren. That’s what happens when work is actually put into something. Imagine that this was Minecraft we were talking about rather than cubeworld. If notch left and the game was still in infdev people would have the same reactions and he wasn’t even promising anything like wolay was.

[@buttbuttson737]

@@d4s0n282 When people pay money for something it doesn't matter how they treat you; you gotta give them their money's worth. You can't just scam people because they were a dickhead to you.

[@gabrielcornejo682]

9:32 Yes, bacuase they liked the alpha and beta versions features that werent on the final release. If an indi developer (heck, even a AAA company) has an open beta of a game that looks awesome, you pre-order it and then at the steam release you find out that all is left is just the cooking minigame that you hated... I think you could call that a ripoff

[@freezegod3861]

I called it back then, i will call it now. The "DDOS" most likely wasnt one. The game got so mich attention back then that the site probably just crashed because of the traffic. Being reminded of the shit Show the release was just hurts...

[@ceezymuccheez]

I feel like somthing else went down. I just cant see how someone can be "tramatized" or having a mental break by their game going down...

[@freezegod3861]

@@ceezymuccheez mhmm you have to Consider that the psyche of people is a fragile thing. Some people dont need much to break, some people can go forever without a problem. All in all, I rly want to give him the benefit of the doubt... but i just cant.

[@rexberkova7328]

Gosh, I just hope the developer is okay, honestly. Yeah, all that happened is messes up but the guy was already struggling, I just hope that this way he might atleast have some weight off his shoulders.

[@raggedymuffinz]

He just got away with a ton of money for doing what amounts to pretty much nothing so I’d say he’s probably alright

[@mobile_ingou]

@@raggedymuffinz "Doing what amounts to nothing" You really are that ungrateful, he literally tried his best and you didn't personally like that game

[@cyncynshop]

@@raggedymuffinz I don't like the game either. However, I rather our collective internet doesn't kill another person just because they made a bad game. Understand his troubled mental health, and you don't even have to buy or support this game. Just...keep vitriol and assumptions to be more tame.

[@raggedymuffinz]

@@mobile_ingou Bruh, he literally scammed people with a less finished game than the alpha build almost a decade ago *for 20 dollars* then fucked off forever, but we’re “ungrateful”? Okay buddy.

[@maurods3151]

@@raggedymuffinz No need to get personal toward him though

[@noecarrier5035]

RoboKast: the most overhyped disappointment of all time Cyberpunk: am I a joke to you?

[@lightning9789]

Yes

[@JWhisp]

This was a great documentary! Also liked my footage at 8:59 ;)

[@Ehatntmtntahe]

Woah that's cool.

[@diro9655]

Had to get that ego stroking self plug in there didnt ya ;)

[@slykke1417]

Bruh I remember playing this game so much years ago. I'd always love hopping onto the foxdev server where you could pvp with other players. I remember learning how to fly using the rogue class, by spamming two of it's skills you could continuously rise above the ground. I remember training and fighting with other better and higher levelled rogue players to up my rogue skills. I remember getting an armor with wings handmade by some player by sticking element cubes into a wing shape. I remember just chilling with people there sometimes when nobody was in the mood for pvp. And I remember adventuring around my own world on my own, traversing oceans, forests, castles, ruins, caves, and deserts to fight different bosses. Man, Cube World was such a blast. I hope that Wollay and his wife are doing well out there, because they undoubtedly had something really special here with Cube World.

[@Kalutikat]

"Considering Wollay never promised anything with the game." This statement is very much incorrect, his site before the year of the release were full of promises of what Cube World was to become in the future and what I was sold on. Of course he removed all of it from his site hoping no one would go "hey what happened to this and this?" But regardless we were sold a lie. Faction vs Faction gameplay and storyline anyone? Actually lack of storylines in general. Of course in the end this was the only game I got burned on as it taught me the risks of buying into early access's and is always the one I bring up when someone is trying to convince me to buy into an unreleased game.

[@SaintPepsiSanCoca]

I make games. I completely understand what wollay is going through, if he's just as normal of a guy like any of us then this immense pressure from the WHOLE internet would destroy anyone

[@Elinzar]

it is a risk you must take specially if you are selling a product, which in fact it is why so many people was kinda mad if it was a free game maybe it wouldnt have been as bad but ofc you will always will get some form of outcry but yeah you always must be prepared to take negative feedback and not let it affect you emotionally, if not digest it rationally and figure out why is the outcry and if you can do something about to fix it take No Man Sky and Jean Murray as an example of what to do, and not Wolly and Cube World, since Jean and his team actually got a bigger and meanier outcry on top of them but still managed to digest it and fix the issues, and get the trust on them back eventually

[@ChristopherGray00]

if you get traumatized and depressed/anxiety from a ddos attack you probably are very sensitive

[@SoulHydron]

@@ChristopherGray00 So what? Maybe he is very sensitive, every one has their own weaknesses. What's the point you are trying to prove? If he is sensitive, then people should be more understanding and show some more compassion to the guy. If he really did struggle with his mental illness, did he get help? Did it get better, or worse? Don't be so cold man.

[@Elinzar]

@@SoulHydron nobody can possibly account for every single person mental health state, is just impossible, and even if you try there will always be at least 1 person who you will end up "offending" and tbh is also pointless, if you are "That" sensitive... then why are you in the internet in the first place (not talking about you in particular) like, you might like heavy metal music, but if you cant handle the extremely loud speakers or the awful smell of weed in a concert then you should not go, it wont be pleasing same with the internet, if you cant handle criticism, negative opinions and people begin outright just rude, but you decided to be on the internet anyway then you are yourself only to blame, as nobody else put a gun in your head

[@SoulHydron]

@@Elinzar I'm not saying at all you have to account for peoples mental health, or not saying something you believe in in case of offending people. I was responding to Christopher's comment on Wollay being sensitive because he got trauma from ddos, which I thought was kind of inconsiderate since most of us don't know what its like experiencing trauma. What I aaam saying is that I agree win San Coca (1st comment in this thread) that people should try to understand him and show him some compassion maybe rather than attacking and bullying him. Like yea he messed up his game and you can be mad or dissapointed, but that doesn't mean you should express your hate. Just because you feel unhappy doesn't mean you should act on the emotion. Also yes, the internet isn't a nice place a lot of the time, but it can also be a good place. And the more people that push back against the negative parts of it, and point out the wrong parts of it, the more we can improve this environment. And it's not like people in this generation can really stay away from the internet/technology, it's a pretty big part of most people's life.

[@Lazero__]

Wooaah, surprised to see something about cube world in 2021 after that awful launch on steam. It really was such a tragedy, game had potential back in the alpha and beta stage.

[@CaptainAwsome]

i didnt even know it released

[@gwanael34]

9:00 I'm not mad, just disapointed, he could have released the original alpha with NO CHANGE WHATSOEVER and it would have gone over better than this crap he gave us. He outright killed his game.

[@TheSoCalledZoner1]

we live in a society

[@mrwizard5012]

Reminds me of starbounds original versions, really.

[@marmar3530]

@@mrwizard5012 oof

[@marmar3530]

@@TheSoCalledZoner1 yes, and?

[@mrwizard5012]

@@marmar3530 Too soon?

[@superskills1017]

He seems like another victim of the anxiety of rejection and perfectionism. I mean, perfection an often unobtainable goal and is mostly subjective in the gaming landscape. To the guys credit, he made his passion project a reality and that's more than what could be said for most of us. A fair chunk of the criticism he got was unfair and over the top, especially when you consider only 2 people made it. While over promises were definitely a big part of Cube World not being what everyone thought it would be you can tell some heart and dedication was put in to it, which is more than most "Triple-A" studios. I hope the guys creativity hasn't been ruined, I hope he doesn't let this experience stop him from taking chances and most importantly I hope he's doing something he loves now.

[@ceezymuccheez]

Yeah sounds like anxiety and hate comments just completly crushed this dude. So sad because this game had a crazy amount of potential that could have rivaled Minecraft at the time as thats what a lot of people were rivaling it up against and everyone saw it could do it...

[@natedlc854]

I think hes just an idiot. Anxiety and perfectionism seem like excuses.

[@ceezymuccheez]

@@natedlc854 i mean you’re saying what everyone’s thinking but it’s pretty fucked in the chance you’re wrong

[@natedlc854]

@@ceezymuccheez well if everyone is also thinking it, its not very fucked is it? Its just the natural assumption we all made.

[@ceezymuccheez]

@@natedlc854 bro everyone think people with down syndrome ugly as all hell but people don’t go round saying it

[@JM-vl3cy]

Wollay : "The game takes years because I'm a perfectionist" also Wollay : releases the game in a state where everyone can see it's really not good, makes people pay for it and goes back to silence with the money.

[@JM-vl3cy]

@Revotry dude I know exactly what being a perfectionist is like, and it's all about the final result. If you release and show to the public something that is half finished you're not a perfecrionist, you're just bad at managing your time.

[@pikyso8616]

@Revotry You are exactly right. People are so toxic and entitled, and it infuriates me to no end

[@littlemoth4956]

@@pikyso8616 I mean… you say that like people didn’t wait 10 years and pay 20 bucks (some twice if I remember) to receive a game that was considerably worse than its Alpha. Toxicity aside, these people WERE entitled to something at least on par with what came before.

[@staticwombat]

8:40 Honestly, the dude spent years making this as a passion project and was hounded for it, I really don't blame him for releasing it and ditching it. It was years of hard work for him, he has every right to be paid for that. The only bit I'd agree is scummy is the limited window to claim the Steam version for Alpha buyers. For everyone else, you know what you're getting. It wasn't being released as Early Alpha, this was a final product.

[@starkiller1289]

I disagree they did not "know what " they were getting. Honestly the only way he could have done worse would be to update the alpha with what he released on Steam with less content, broken settings, and an overall worse experience. If he simply released the alpha and ditched it that would be one thing but releasing a definitely inferior product is why he got so much hate.

[@ThibsWorkshop]

If you loved Cubeworld, I'm currently developing a voxel open-world sandbox game / rpg greatly inspired by it! I'm fully transparent on the development, explaining how the game engine works. Cubeworld has been one of my favorite games since I was a child, and I really want to bring back the feelings I had!

[@gickygackers]

Look up Veloren

[@ThibsWorkshop]

@@gickygackers wow the developpers had done so much progress since last time I saw a clip on it. My game is going to be different though, the terrain will be fully mineable with a lot of features inspired by Minecraft. But really cool inspiration source!

[@ZyroidX]

Hopefully you make something amazing for people around the world to enjoy

[@ThibsWorkshop]

@@ZyroidX Yeah that's exactly my purpose, and people will be able to help the development by modding, playtesting etc

[@ZyroidX]

@@ThibsWorkshop I'd really love a console version honestly idk how easy that is probably not very but still it would be amazing to play something like cube world on my switch!

[@pixelmaster9964]

I love how most of the reviews were just instructions to download the alpha

[@ProfessorHeavy1]

The "do people have any right to be mad" thing is a very strange question. The obvious answer is yes. People have a right, especially when they paid lots of money for a product which is said to have differed from the initial vision. That being said, I do believe that this was depression and anxiety fuelled. People just sometimes like to run and never look back. Refunds are indeed owed, there are no excuses for that.

[@MrJacobElias]

I remember playing cubeworld... i loved the fact that i found a bunch of bugs and glitches on my own... still dont know if they are common knowledge now or if they have been patched. The rogue backdash could be used to gain insane speed and distance with the glider... by turning around mid dash and activated the glider. You could dupe any refinable resourses.. when ready to create something like an "iron ingot" from "iron ore".. hold your mouse over the "craft" option then go into map.. by clicking while the map was obscuring your vision of anything else.. you would not drain any resourses but you would gain whatever you crafted... effectivly gaining infinit ingots from one ore.

[@Vandistus]

"do we have a right to be mad" i would say, yeah, honestly, yeah we do. People backed this project because we believed it, and further more, due to the promises and teasers made, he gained MORE support, because people were excited for those features to be included. had he not teased so many different features, i feel the support for the game would have differed. When you promise someone a chocolate-vanilla swirl with sprinkles in a dipped waffle cone for the price of $4.99, and give them a plain vanilla scoop in a Styrofoam bowl after vanishing off the face of the earth for literal years, they have every reason to be upset. he promised so much, yet when the time came, he stripped away so many features, some promised and some already implemented in the alpha, and gave us an incredibly watered down version of what he promised.

[@scullyf2254]

Of courss I was pissed, a game from my childhood that finally got released after years, I was hyped! But am not going to talk shit about Wollay. The game is not unplayable or a buggy mess, right now the game is a niche for a specific kind of player which is fine. I just wished it was more like the alpha.

[@TheQuinn50]

reminds me of starforge, when the original demo alpha thing they originally put out was more fun than what we got.

[@McGreish]

This could've done so well if the developer had just stuck through it. I remember playing the alpha myself and boy what was there was damn good!

[@dylanprice5397]

I remember inthelittlewood and nerdcubed playing this together years ago I always was intrigued by it this brought back memories for sure

[@TheCat_MP4]

INTHELITTLECUBED

[@dylanprice5397]

@@TheCat_MP4 yes

[@Jan12700]

Hopefully there will be an update soon. On the CW Discord mails from Wollay are posted from time to time where he describe an update.

[@namdanielle2651]

Wasn't the discord deleted?

[@Jan12700]

@@namdanielle2651 Nope, it still exists

[@HardwareFahrrad]

anyone got an invite link?

[@SuguSugux]

@@Jan12700 "still exist" yet you provide no link nor proof of it.

[@lisafairymeadow2034]

@Jan1270 Jesus is coming back skipping across the atlantic sea holding hands with odin long before that's happening.

[@TheActualOcean]

What I was most upset by with this game is how they removed custom weapons. I remember going out and getting resources then going back and making a ridiculous looking sword but it was my ridiculous sword something I made that looked how I wanted to and unless someone copied how I made it then it would be the only one of it's kind. Then you know it got removed. -_- Also I feel like people have the right to be mad not at the game it self but how he handled the situation and failed to make his ideal version of the game known to almost all of the player base. He should have released demo footage of the game and a better explanation of how the system worked as well as why things were removed/added. Instead of having a 8 year long steak of silence he should have posted from the very beginning about the situation. It could have been something as simple as the following: Hey guys I know the hype around this game is massive but some major difficulties have been getting in the way of how I want things done so for the time being I'm not going to be posting anything new about the game from now on as to not get your expectations too high. He could have also given a more detailed responses like: Hello everyone recently we have had run ins with DDOS attacks on the website because of some of our updates and this has led to some serious mental health problems on our end. Because of that we are going to stop public updates for quite a while. I'm sorry it has to be this way but it is the only way I can think of for production of the game to continue. Just keep in mind that this is a side project and I am a perfectionist so it might be a long long time before I'm ready to share anything about the game. I am sorry and I hope you can find enjoyment for this game in the future. Either of these would have been an amazing response that would have solved a large majority of the issues surrounding Cube World and so again with the way he handled the situation I think people have the right to be mad.

[@marcforrester7738]

You can still design custom weapons, there's just no point because you won't get to keep them.

[@Slferon]

took me 6 minutes to realize this is uploaded 1 hour ago and not 5 months ago

[@wander7812]

Tbh the fact that a tweet about his depression and condiction from those past 3 years gets less attention (based on what you said) than sneak peaks of just some houses and tree tells a lot about this community.

[@kaklikful]

He also deleted the blog post about his condction after the hate started, poor guy... i feel so sad for him

[@Ordep_Aviaras]

@@kaklikful I would think he is a poor guy..... if he didn't get freaking rich with the game sellouts, imagine promising something, not giving what was paid and then hide with the money and let other people defend him. Easy money alright. Meanwhile some devs work their asses off for way less.

[@lucho1limte]

He is a liar and a scammer cmon guys

[@littlemoth4956]

@@Ordep_Aviaras You’re missing the point dude

[@thex45l35]

@@littlemoth4956 What point "dude"? A guy scamming hundreds of thousands of people by selling an unfinished piece of crap?

[@ryanhurel]

I remember spending so much time porting over the alpha to my Mac so I could play with my friends. It’s really sad this is where it ended up

[@Terraphice]

Okay, this is freaky. I just rewatched that video before I went to sleep last night because it was in my recommended!

[@robokast]

Coincidence or time traveler? O.o

[@andrix7777]

Yeah, that happens sometimes. KZbin recommends me a video about a certain topic, I watch it, then sometime later one of the KZbinrs I'm subscribed to makes a video about that topic!

[@SullenSecret]

Simply announcing something is like promising because of the hype that people stir up over it. It's not about honesty and integrity. It's simply about the emotion of hype and how powerful it can be for people. Letting that down is similar to breaking a promise.

[@mobile_ingou]

Lmao he didn't announce anything that he wasnt gonna do

[@znaj7335]

If the game gave people expectations that it didn't live up to (which it didn't) they have the right to be mad. Especially the people (like me) that payed for the alpha and then were just screwed over by the developers literally saying "thank you for your kind donation, would you like to purchase the game again?". Good job Picroma, you could be an excellent EA v2.0 Now I'm not the best when it comes to licenses, but it's the first time I have heard that you literally lose your right over owning a game just because you didn't log into the website in time. Next to that I never recieved any kind of information on that part so I would really like to know if the move they made is legal.

[@solrak164]

I never lost the hope on this game despite all and when it got released, me and my brother were very excited. We started to play the full release and had some fun, but after 1 or 2 hours we started to feel horribly disappointed. We even tried to "cover" the bad things about the full release, but in the end all of those things accumulated and we could not do anything but accept that the game was pretty bad, even compared to the alpha (that was very fun, just that it was not completed). The region lock thing was the end for us, when we tried to explore another biome and discovered that, we immediately stopped playing. It was just an artificial form of "difficulty" and "replayability" It really was disappointing to just see the bad game that Wollay gave us after believing him all those years and trusting in his vision about the game despite the lack of communication...

[@Fuzzleberry]

As someone who loved this game back in alpha I was so disappointed and mad at what I was given as the finished version. It was like taste testing an amazing meal then the chef took it back to finish it off except instead he took off half the ingredients and let the rest rot and then served it back to me. It was missing key things that I liked and the stuff that's still here just isn't as good as it was. As for your question, yes we have a right to be mad, angry or abusive towards the dev, no. I don't care if this is the developers vision or not when 99% of people who play your game hate the same things about it, it's time to change something after all everyone wants to enjoy the things they've paid for and aren't just complaining for the fun of it(well... mostly anyways).

[@Odikk]

but... its not dead? wollay is adding leveling and is currently working on the game. In the wollay style, he didnt tell anybody that hes making leveling, exept like 1 email.

[@PlankGFX]

Really? Haven't seen anything about this

[@Odikk]

@@PlankGFX thats normal, becouse wollay doesent announce when he's working on the game. you can see some messages by wollay in the official cube world discord in the channel signs of wollay

[@Etrius0023]

Can't wait till Wollay releases the next update that makes the game far worse and then disappears for a few more years.

[@Odikk]

@@Etrius0023 the eternal cycle.

[@marcforrester7738]

Unless he one day drops the perfect update, radiant with holy light... It's super dead. No incremental improvements will be enough to twitch this corpse.

[@polargriz579]

Wait so Cube World didn’t become Trove I was so convinced when I first saw trove pop into my recommendations it was just what Cube World had become. Wow...

[@d4s0n282]

no, it was just a game super alike it, that released around the same time

[@AndOnliCar]

The game is an objective downgrade from the previous version, the marketing system is scummy, the players waited 8 years for a downgrade of a perfectly functional game only to have it cost 20 dollars and barely give anything to the alpha testers and then have the creator dissapear without fixing the shit he put on the table, not to mention he posted "upcoming features" and "teasers". Teasers don't mean something that MIGHT be in the game, but something that will be in the game but is not fleshed out. And features that already were in the game were suddenly removed. Lastly when you talk about "art", why charge 20 $ for art that you know people will hate? Its pretty scummy to know that something is bad and still put it up and have people PAY FOR IT?

[@tornglory5709]

Lol them just don't buy it if you dont like it

[@AndOnliCar]

@@tornglory5709 if I don't like it of course I won't buy it. But what about the tons of thousands of people who were waiting for this game to come out and even bought the alpha version? Are they supposed to not buy it too? And what about the people with the alpha keys who didn't make it in time to redeem their full game?

[@tornglory5709]

@@AndOnliCar They chose to buy a game that wasn't even finished. And the people that didn't make it in time have a right to be mad.

[@AndOnliCar]

@@tornglory5709 bro, the game was officially released and you are making the argument that it wasn't finished.. of course it wasn't, but did the dev say that? No, he just told them the release date and then dissapeared.

[@tornglory5709]

@@AndOnliCar You just said "what about the people that bought the alpha version"

[@MrDizuki]

I think there is something to be said about someone making a game people loved and ruining it. While the didn't "promise" people anything, he did have to contend with the beta he once released. Everything in the beta was a realistic expectation. People who still had the alpha still played it and loved it. A release is literally a declaration that the game they once loved is gone forever.

[@LayerInfinity]

I agreed with a lot of this video, and I think it was very well made so good job! That said, I would like to comment on the last point that you brought up from your friend which I thought was somewhat ridiculous - it isn't a question that people have *a right* to be mad. When you purchase a product, you purchase inherently with the expectation of getting 100% of that product - that is the "promise" of a finished game. Therefore, your right to an opinion of any kind is reserved. You, the consumer, are the number one in this relationship.

[@osn4794]

Dude really got traumatized by losing internet connection briefly

[@svenfruiti494]

...this makes me sad, not the game but the whole situation. I feel sad for both sides :/

[@slevinchannel7589]

Sorry, but dum question. Yes, people of course have all the right in the world to be mad about the Situation. I have never seen a Fanbase this Loyal; constructive criticism ran out later then anywhere else i have ever seen in my life. People had more constructive critcism than i have ever seen in other fanbases. And it ALL ran out. Go figure what that means.

[@FR099Y]

The problem with Cubeworld has always been that Wollay never took community opinion into account when designing the game. This is pretty evident from tweets and blog posts saying that its taking so long to make the game because he kept re-writing the entire game from scratch, over and over. Right before the full release he posted a teaser that showed remanence of the old levelling system with abilities and everything. then he just canned that and re-wrote the whole thing again. The issue is that the Alpha had more content than the full release. The reason everyone is pissed is because he took the unfinished game and just removed more than half the content.

[@siljorfag]

Wow... Robo, it seems your friend doesn't even care about transparency. So for him it's okay that he took the money, dissapeared, came back whenever he wanted and released something that wasn't what he promised, what people actually paid money for... as you said, refund everyone or just make it free to play. People is in it's absolute right to complaint if you payed for something and instead you get something different. It's false advertising. In bussiness people really doesn't care about "anxiety" of the people selling a product (in a moral/human way, it's not good but it is as it is)... you may had good intention but if your product doesn't meet the clients demands, they'll want a refund and what he did comes close to being a fraud... even saying that him releasing the game was worse that if he didn't, that's just accepting "meh, this guy took my money and I didn't get anything in return... so be it"... it's bad and it should be exposed.

[@Dragonsamuari]

The moment you release something at a price, you can't shield yourself behind "passion" or whatever artists want to use to justify their behavior and work. People expect a working and a good product when they pay for it. If you are selling something, people are going to set an expectation for it and will voice their displeasure if it doesn't meet those expectations.

[@alienlobsteroo4882]

That's what happens when you don't listen to your community. And yes I have the right to be mad because I PAID for it.

[@teklife]

this looks almost exactly like veloren, or vice versa, but veloren is 100% free and open source and under active development, although still only limited release (i.e. not on steam) as the devs don't want to release an alpha game too soon to a broader audience. i wonder if cube world, which veloren says it is inspired by (and legend of zelda breath of the wild) got the source code for cube world and continued it. although the current release of veloren has been completely re-written from scratch, and in Rust programming language, so maybe no relation at all, but the look is almost a carbon copy.

[@regimentalstandard]

I remember playing a space sandbox a long time ago, StarMade, back when it first came out in early access around 2012 It’s still in early access and pretty much abandoned at this point. It had a lot of potential but the devs just ran out of funding.

[@Dr_Steal_Computer]

it does not take funding.

[@HeroCub]

I saw many people who say it is a scam, or in a video in which he stole all the money. But I think not, I've followed this guy for years and I think there must be a little hope. I (I don't know if you notice it strange) I liked the game for the simple fact of waiting for it years ago, playing it and being recognized again. Plus I could finally see people playing it one more time. I agree with the people who are angry, in fact the last Wollay tweet of 2017 I really liked how it was progressing, and more when there were big cities and some gods (I don't know if they were) but there was potential in that, what I thought the game would have history. After the last tweets I kept liking it until people started to dislike some tweets and the game in general.

[@deviltheferal892]

Writing down thoughts as I write: Cubeworld wasn't overhyped back before it came out, it was praised for what it actually already did. Most players who played the alpha version (myself included, back in 2012 along with a friend) loved the game for what it did. it wasn't hyped for what was promised to come, it was hyped because what was already there was an incredibly satisfying sandbox experience with clear direction. Something that the "release" completely lost by removing the crucial parts of that system that were fun. Gone was the difficult but rewarding leveling system, gone was the progression the game was known for... as far as I can recall, you couldn't even fucking hangglide in the "real" release of the game (this might have been fixed, i bought the steam version after it came out and refunded it before the 2 hour window because i hated what it had become. not because i had hopes it would be "better", but what the soul of the game used to be had been completely replaced, and it didn't have ANY of the initial charm left. As a person, whenever I was interested in Cube world, I never bothered with the aspect of "early access means more content, right?" because the alpha was already great. It was just unpolished in some areas (like the fact that you needed to find the right enemies to level the first two-three levels before you could steamroll in strength). Had he released Alpha as final release, with just multiplayer support on steam, he would have done a good job. But the problem was that he butchered the experience. The hate that wollay recieved as a person was definitely unwarranted, even if he handled things poorly he is just a person in the end, but the critique for the faults he INTRODUCED during the break are 100% legitimate and cannot be summed up/excused as hatebombing. He had a diamond in the rough, and to succeed, all he needed to do was listen to the fans and polish it. Instead, he took a hammer to it, broke it into dust, and tried reassembling it with hot glue, making a mess of an RPG experience instead. @the final point: Yes, people have the right to be mad. Regardless of what was promised, teased, expected or hoped for, what made the release of cube world so horrible was not that he couldn't deliver on what he had promised. Behind the toxic vocal minority, there were tens of thousands of players who just actually wanted to play the game that they had played so long ago, and they returned to a butchered mess of has-been glory. If you look at cube world, and the state is released in, the thing that was most clear was that Wollay and Sarah didn't *get* what made the game successful. Wollay wanted an RPG experience about questing in a random world, but the community wanted a sandbox Voxel playground with RPG flavour to play with their friends. Unfortunately, when he released his game, he locked away everything that appealed to that Playground aspect of the game and as a result, the most distinct thing to take away was that the success of cube world was Unintentional. He had accidentally stumbled into something that EVERYONE loved, but he didn't know what it was until it was too late. Unfortunately, a lot of the people who had critique about it weren't exactly mature about it and as such, I'm daring to claim he never WILL quite get why cube world flopped so hard on steam. I hope it's been fixed, and maybe one day I'll re-visit it again. But honestly, playing the alpha versions of the game was more enjoyable than the finished product and the fact that he didn't quite get why is detrimental to why he failed. For that, unrelated to who or how he is as a person, he can and rightfully has been critiqued, even if most did it with uneccessary words. This video does a good thing by bringing attention to it, but it's not well researched enough. Following the vocal minority excludes all of those silent players that make up a distinct majority of those who play it, and even amongst those, this game flopped. it wasn't a "we want more" hate-train that de-railed, it was the game disgracing the legacy the alpha had built up in the most unneeded way possible.

[@LilyHooper]

Yea people 100% have the right to be mad. He advertised a product to people and gave them a different one at the end without listening to anything they had to say or caring about what they thought at all. I feel bad for him but at the end of the day he literally refused to listen to people because he thought he was better than them. If you ever manage to find all the deleted stuff from their forums and the steam forums you would know that they were incredibly toxic about getting genuine feedback.

[@florisPH]

Yes, clearly when you pay money for a product or service you're allowed to be mad at it not living up to expectations. That's what reviews are for and sharing opinions is a good way to save others money and time.

[@BioTheHuman]

You can be "mad" and leave a negative review, but you're not entitled to be an asshole and ruin others people lives.

[@av3stube480]

I love Cube World but Wollay is just... Not the standard a developer should strive to be.

[@specs.weedle]

I was one of the alpha testers and my friend (who was also hyped) told me the game was going to go on Steam soon. Once I figured out there was a beta, I rushed to grab my brother's account (the two of us had picroma accounts but I lost mine) and then when the beta went live, I realized firsthand that so many things were changed for the worse. Apart from the art style I could barely recognise the game. My friend did not purchase the dumpster fire.

[@thewallachianbard6975]

The problem with some devs is that they are absolutely shameless and unfazed by criticism of their work, some like Wollay are the other extreme. If the man had just 10% of the nerve of Todd Howard, Whoever the hell is behind sims 4 , and the people behind those god-awful Chinese cash shops mmos, then Cube-World would have been a great game .

[@IcyLucario]

*"Traumatized"* over a DDOS attack? That's either a load of shit for sympathy or this guy has some real problems.

[@pirateclick1d169]

Damn... Maybe he took it personally? Like if they attacked him and not the server...?

[@khhnator]

well if they ddosed his home, leaving him without internet for days... then i get it. is weird when all the words in your screen suddenly become something that actually can affect you. once back on early 00's, someone i knew from a chatroom who was a prankster of rather bad sense of humor got my home phone somehow and started calling in the middle of the night for a few days. it was disconcerting even tough i knew who was doing it and it was not being done in malice

[@boyloaf6098]

Things like this make me think that I should never even try to put anything out into the world.

[@gnerkus]

Don't be scared to. Just don't charge people for an unfinished product; it rarely ends well.

[@charleszp938]

Don't gun it alone, don't be scared of internet "threats", interact with the communities your work appeals to.

[@davidboy45]

This is a great guide on what not to do, Wollay fucked up at every single step of the way. Just be transparent and you'll be fine lmao, Wollay was just straight up a dumbass.

[@raggedymuffinz]

Honestly, it almost feels like the man did everything he could to try and make the internet hate him. As long as you be honest, transparent, and realistic with your community and actually hear out what they have to say, people can be very forgiving. When you start deceiving them, scamming them, and completely ignoring their voice as you change everything that made your project popular, don’t be very surprised when they start treating you as poorly as you treated them.

[@fumothfan9]

Do but never delay. If you do then you already lost.

[@Nova-qn7zd]

i remember before this game came out and people were thinking it would take over minecraft

[@tonictarsier1868]

It could have if it would of happened The way alpha was looking

[@ollie7811]

@@tonictarsier1868 for real. It was actually more enjoyable they just needed to add more multiplayer ideas and give more things for people to grind for. It was one of the most fun games out there and it’s pretty sad that they just gave up and left it here

[@bl00dberserker56]

On the cube world discord server there are 2 moderately recent screenshots with someone talking to wollay and it seems wollay is working on a version closely resembling the good old alpha

[@generik7414]

It's honestly bizarre how much it got changed from it's original form to what it currently is. I can't fathom the reasoning for the rework, because the current form is super unfun.

[@Sgetti688]

Theirs a game called zombox that was in development years ago that I used to follow and then the creater kind of just disappeared and never released the game.

[@nullpoint3346]

Passion projects are short lived, whether they mature into a completed project or just die.

[@Chimerabot]

I know he's made some mistakes, but I really do feel sorry for Wol_lay.

[@d4s0n282]

I agree

[@Goremize]

Feel sorry for him being set up for life with the amount of money he made? Interesting take. "Pity me while you give me all your money".

[@Chimerabot]

@@Goremize Fair point. But the way the story goes, it just doesn't seem like he _tried_ to be a scammer. Though I could be wrong.

[@wyom2838]

I’m fine with people criticizing his game, but not the people insulting him personally

[@wanderingwarrior-kun3093]

A real shame, at least in some timeline out there this game not only finished but flourished and became one of the greats