The Cults, Crimes, Creeps & Curse Of The WB (Buffy, Charmed, Smallville & More)

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[@colleencollins3104]

I'd love to see a show on each show!

[@kiernan415]

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[@TerenceSquires]

Although I have met a few celebrities though conventions, screenings and work I have avoided 'hero worship', guess I had been afraid of being disappointed [many actors I had met are just plain weird]. Only celebrity I had ever bothered to ask for an autograph is 'Cynthia Rothrock', not the best actress but highly regarded as a legend of female martial arts films, and whom came across as a wonderful person to me at the time. Great content as usual ‘Coffee and Cults’.

[@jadebel7006]

Not suprised there's no mention of rose mcgowan being incredibly tr*nsphobic, like m0cking tr*ns ppl who worked for Netflix wen they protested chapelles stand up n tells them to get over it and that they're feeling don't matter for literally no reason.. n recently in Scotland telling ppl to be more grateful for jk Rowling when since she began her tirade began v!0lence towards tr*ns ppl has increased by over 150% but its ok coz she wrote a fun lil book, should she be grateful to weinstein for all the movies he brought us? He damaged her m*ntal health but brought us entertainment, what's the difference? All those ppl being at*cked n watching their family members lives be taken from them due to an acceptance of b*llying statyed by jk should be grateful? (Ps im a r victim, the tirades by jk n her followers has affected my m*ntal health alot more than my r experience) so should we be grateful to weinstein? Yet she faces no backlash, we get it, none of u care about the health n well being of lgbt ppl...I guess we're lesser human n less important than a 'normal' like Rose.

[@bayonetta5101]

Buffy was so ahead of its time. Buffy walked so everyone could run. Its a such a shame toxicity was behind such a masterpiece

[@kallista5194]

In a way, it's poetic. It reflects the struggles of Potentials, everywhere. Not only might we be called to fight creatures of the night, we have to be prepared to fight different monsters in broad daylight. In front of judge and jury, as needed.

[@gizzyg5337]

Honestly, I think you're gonna have these problems with most shows where you have young people. You have hormones and different personalities coming together. There's gonna be toxicity

[@thatinternetdude1392]

Buffy sprinted so everyone could run.

[@the_petty_crocker]

@@gizzyg5337 Okay, or you have toxic showrunners like Whedon. Why is it just the actors' fault?

[@horseradishpower9947]

You will find that all parties share some measure of responsibility. Whedon had issues, and a dark side. Hollywood fed that i to a monster. And o the Hollywood scale of things, he is a nothing burger. Plenty of nasty, dark types going about that we have no awareness of. Whedon got exposed, because his power weakened, and was targeted and scapegoated. He still had horrible behaviour, but hardly the worst out there. All of this is just the tip of the iceberg. It gets dark and horrible, once you stare closely at Hollywood. ​@ah1016

[@Pandaemoni]

Mila Kunis was so amused that Allison Mack wound up a cult...but what does she think Scientology is?

[@KrisBryant99]

Because Mack probably didn't present herself in a way that would make you think she would join a cult.

[@SelinaCat]

Mila Kunis isn't a member though, it was just her cast mates

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

Her defense of Masterson is 100% cultish. ​@@SelinaCat

[@GnomesRox]

@@charisma-hornum-fries When has defending a friend required to be in a cult or cultish? Throwing around words like they don't have meaning doesn't help your argument. It's just lazy.

[@JosieGrace]

MVP! Great video. It took me 2 days to watch, but I made it.

[@heathergoebel1676]

RIP Shannen. She deserved to live so much longer. She was brilliant, talented and gorgeous. I am a charmed fan and her character was my favorite. She will always live on through her roles thankfully.

[@stephaniecrooks771]

😞

[@audreynothepburn7663]

I didn’t know she had passed. 😢

[@thaboiinblue]

I feel the exact same. Prue was and always will be my favorite Charmed One, and Shannen always put her heart and soul into every single role. Brenda, Heather Duke, Prue. I will always love those three roles of hers. R.I.P. to an iconic actress.

[@GivemetheTea-nr2jb]

It still hurts. I don't usually get emotional over celebrities, but Shannen is one that really affects me. I hope she's in peace now.

[@FabricFool]

Call me biased, but there should be no statute of limitations on child sexual abuse. Like there’s none on murder. Because it *is* murder. It happened to me when I was 3, and it broke me. I did not survive it. And because I was pre-reason, pre-language, there is no reaching this broken child inside me-so I will never survive it. Sixty years later, I am still broken. No Statute Of Limitations Murderer.

[@darceymichie2725]

Survivors are often unable to speak of their abuse until many years later. It is my opinion that once again, the law is created to benefit the perpetrators. While the statute of limitations is being challenged and has even changed in many states and provinces, it never should have applied in the first place.

[@sandrarivers5153]

Well said to the original post and to the first comment as well ! Thank you both for addressing this exceedingly important situation!! I could not agree more, and I too have experienced this myself as well as having been a witness to the devastating results that this abuse has had on the lives of so many other survivors of a crime that I consider to be a murder of a child’s spirit and certainly no less evil than any other murder of a body ! There should be NO such thing as a “statute of limitations” when it comes to sexual abuse of children !! There is no limitation at all to the number of years that sexually abused children suffer from this ! They suffer for the rest of their lives!

[@catherinetodd5163]

In Canada we don’t have statutes of limitations for sexual assault. I’ve always been appalled whenever I’ve heard about a case that can’t be prosecuted in the USA because of the statute of limitations. I worked for over 15 years with both adult survivors of childhood SA and adult SA survivors (women and men) and it makes no sense to me. No justice for survivors.☹️

[@FabricFool]

@@catherinetodd5163 yes, Canada is so much more civilized than the US in many many ways. Handling of domestic violence, frinstance. I love that the police don’t care if the DV survivor drops charges, they’ll just keep investigating. This is civilized.

[@mythoceanas8874]

@@FabricFool yes it’s civilized to allow victims to wait for over 30 years and let their assaulters to commit more assaults.

[@KatMack68]

As a Supernatural girlie I would LOVE a CW follow up on this because I know some of the shit on that network was wild. Love how respectful, informative, and well put together this video was!

[@aussiebaka4588]

Yes, but also PLEASE let's don't come for Jensen, I won't be able to take it - he's one of the few I still have faith in lol

[@trinitybernhardt9944]

​@@aussiebaka4588I honestly don't think there is much actual stuff to come at Jensen for. There are some things fan blew out of proportion online, but his record is actually very clean. He is beloved by just about every cast member, guest star, and crew member he has ever worked with. No one is perfect, but he isn't caught up in drama or problematic. I love him too.

[@KatMack68]

@@trinitybernhardt9944 From what I remember there was never anything particularly egregious, as you said, most blown out of proportion by the online fan spaces. I think the worst is likely the handling of a workplace safety incident by his production company on The Winchesters but I'm unsure how much he was really involved

[@katiearkie]

@@trinitybernhardt9944 How The Winchesters was pitched wasn't a red flag to you lol!

[@setofreakinkaiba8553]

​@aussiebaka4588 this is how most people feel when they like an artist. So it's not strange for them to defend their actions. We all have bias.

[@tinabelcher9037]

Cudos to Stephen Collins' ex wife. Recording him like that and giving it to the police... didn't do anything for her, personally. I'm sure it got her, her divorce quickly. But it also killed his career so she wasn't doing it to get alimony. And she also could've divorced him quietly. Really, what she did was get as much justice as she could for his victims. Because of the statute of limitations rights all the justice that could be done for them was done by Faye 👏👏

[@ScientificallyStupid]

I was just thinking the same thing, let's not forget what a goddamn legend Faye is, you can hear in the recording that her world is absolutely destroyed, but she did the right thing. I keep thinking of the meme of the German Shepherd dog taking the stand and it says, "you're going to fucking jail, Greg". She could have easily stood by her husband and kept everything quiet, turned her back on his victims, and yet she didn't. Thank you, Faye.

[@DerekScottBland]

Fuck no. While I'm glad he got punished, she violated the therapy session and should not be praised for that.

[@FlavaFlav87]

@@DerekScottBland wow. Just wow. He gets to betray his wife, the young women he worked with, the audience, not to mention the little girls he molested. He commits actual crimes. But let’s blame the woman for legally getting closure for herself and all his victims. Shame on you.

[@hajarmdn4883]

@@DerekScottBlanddoctor-patient confidentiality ends when a crime is committed. And she’s not a therapist. She’s a woman who just heard her husband talk about how he molested children. The fact that you care more about the sanctity of therapy than the kids he victimized shows that you’re probably just like him.

[@HalfCrazy73]

​​@@DerekScottBlandShe was not the therapist, so she can talk about the therapy if she wants. He is a child molester. So even if she would have violated anything, I couldn't care less. He is a creepy pedophile, who was working with children for a career. It is a good thing everybody knows what a creep he is. Never heard of a therapy curing pedophilia anyway. Once a pedo creep, always a pedo creep.

[@keyye4392]

10 years of depression, Buffy and Angel are/ have always been my comfort place.. i know these shows by heart. Sad about these controversies but my love for these shows will not dim.

[@krose6451]

I like to focus on the fact that so many people work to make a show happen. I watch to consume the result and appreciate the work of the many.

[@BeyondBeliefBelle]

Oddly enough I can absolutely relate to this. It’s like these shows take me to a safer arrested space and time. They mean a lot to me.

[@thechickapedia1175]

Sarah Michelle gellar has said she’s still proud of the show

[@KeiranTrick]

Keep the memories you made, and the good lessons you learned from them. I grew up watching Buffy from the age of like 4-5, because it was my family's favourite show, and I cherish every memory formed with my family members bonding over it. To this day, we still reference it and name pets after the characters, etc. There were important lessons to learn, even though some other things weren't handled well at all. Don't be ashamed of the past. It's done, and all you can do now is focus on the good you got from it!

[@Leslie-jm3yn]

I have a neurological disease with chronic pain. When I have bad spells, Buffy and Angel are my go to distraction

[@gabrielle7540]

I am not exaggerating when I say Buffy the Vampire Slayer made me who I am. I was raised in an abusive isolated household and was an only child. It taught me so much about people and the world and my own femininity and humanity. I was so brokenhearted when all this came out.

[@littlemissmello]

It's still a brilliant show and did wonderful things for you. That's okay, you don't have to feel weird about it ❤

[@mariaaguadoball3407]

I get you, but think about how many, many people who worked hard to make Buffy. Only a tiny number of them have turned out to be horrible.

[@sailordaigurren8225]

I met my wife through our shared Buffy Fandom. Joss is a piece of garbage, but he was an excellent creator.

[@backintimealwyn5736]

I still don't know exactly what it is that whedon did... only statements that say nothing, I find it weird to be honnest. He was an A** to Cordelia, but this is the only thing that we have details on. Buffy was the best show ever and I understand how it could have helped you so much.

[@mariaaguadoball3407]

@@backintimealwyn5736 People have been very specific: he was verbally & emotionally abusive to staff and actors. He created a toxic environment on set. He played actors off each other. And do you need a grown-up to explain to you why there was the rule "Joss cannot be alone with Michelle," who was a very young teen at the time? And all that was just on Buffy. There are plenty of other stories about his terrible behaviour from other projects, as well as in his marriage.

[@garymeise673]

This was so enlightening for a number of reasons. How cool that it was Shannen Doherty that got Holly Combs the part. Combs literally the glue that made Charmed the cult classic that it was. And thank you for rehabilitating Doherty

[@phabiorules]

34:00 “given the “difficult” label that is only ever assigned to actresses.” And Topher Grace.

[@Dan55888]

It's like "difficult" is actually an honored title of "dosnt allow/condone sexual misconduct on set"

[@ingvarhallstrom2306]

Damn what Topher Grace got a bad rap over that. It really is a shame.

[@claytonberg721]

Toby Maguire, but there's a great deal of nonsense that a male actor has to commit before he gets that label. Unless he's black, he gets it pretty quick then.

[@ivanagustinortiz5237]

​@@claytonberg721 pointing out Tobey Maguire next to Topher Grace as being given the "difficult to work with" title is like a night and day difference lol Tobey was pretty messy while Topher was given that title just by working and putting boundaries

[@horseradishpower9947]

And Henry Cavill...

[@cordeliaface]

I remember Charisma Carpenter talking/tweeting about the awful behavior she got from Joss in 2007 or so (could have been as early as 2005 as late as 2009 - I remember she was going through a separation/divorce from Damian Hardy at the time). No one was willing to listen until the "Me Too" movement. Joss not only completely murdered Cordelia's personality (and then put her into a coma), but he also waited until *after* the 2003 Autumn season *started* to let Charisma know she was fired from Angel. By that point, Charisma was in the middle of a divorce and was scrambling to find work to support herself, her baby, and her (at the time) husband.

[@marocat4749]

Oh god, i still defend that because angel did cordy actual justice, and carpenter, it made me hate whedon even more. I still love the show but curse whedon. wtf And while not comparable , oh god masters treatment because ue is a man i guess different, but he knew masters was uncomfortable to dobit and kade masters do the buffy em assault scene that did not need to exist but, well masters hated doing it so it had to be done, what a ... , i iust think that shows how insidious whedon was going after actors. Also that he was not allowed to ever be in a room with michelle trachtenberg alone, as rule speaks volumes

[@rawstmv]

to be fair writing her pregnancy into the story must have been an nightmare

[@hajarmdn4883]

@@rawstmvand that’s an excuse? That’s not even an explanation. So many other shows manage to do it without victimizing their staff.

[@rawstmv]

@@hajarmdn4883 sure....ok.. such a victim

[@MarieAnne.]

@@rawstmv What the heII are you on about? There's no need to write a pregnancy into the story, therefore no nightmare.

[@xxDeeMmmVeexx]

RIP Shannon Doherty… Charmed was a huge part of my childhood and the best seasons were with her on it. Sorry not sorry.

[@MrBibi86]

*Holly Marie Combs never asked for a pay increase because the budget of the show was already so tight at around $2-$3 million per episode, which isn't much for a special effects heavey show and she wanted to save money for guest starts and location shooting*

[@miskatonic6210]

Or maybe because she wasn't that special and couldn't afford to get thrown out?

[@MrBibi86]

@@miskatonic6210 not special? she carried the final 5 years of the show

[@ruthanneseven]

Holly was great! She was so authentic in her role, it suspended disbelief quite effectively. Indeed, she carried the show. Alyssa just got lazier and lazier in comparison. MVP!💜😊

[@Chuck-kc3pg]

@@MrBibi86loved Piper. Her relationships with her sisters, Leo, Wyatt and, above all, Chris. She really carried the show for me.

[@garymeise673]

Wow. Even more cudos to Holly. Who made the show.

[@CarysCreatesThings]

With all of the scandals surrounding certain men involved with Buffy, I’m so glad that I’ve only ever heard good things about Anthony Head. It would break my heart if he turned out to be problematic. I’ve heard loads of stories from people who’ve met him about what a great person he is, but my favourite anecdote is from Jay Hulme, a transgender poet from the UK. Jay’s a huge Buffy fan, and he’d been to several conventions before he transitioned and met many of the cast members and got their autographs. Most of his signed memorabilia included his deadname, so he wrote to Anthony Head and asked if he could send him some signed photos made out to his new name. Jay also mentioned in his email that he had a difficult family life especially since transitioning, and that Buffy was his comfort show. Instead of sending him new photos, Anthony invited Jay to spend the day on his farm with him and his wife. His wife took photos of them and printed them onto glossy paper for Anthony to sign. This happened over a decade ago, and Jay and Anthony are still in contact, and Anthony wrote a quote for one of Jay’s poetry books. It’s such a lovely story. Anthony and his wife seem like wonderful people.

[@JaysieeisyaJ]

Thank you so very much for sharing this story, it warmed my cold heart! ❤ P.S. I very recently saw his and Amber Benson's performance of a Rocky Horror song and they were both phenomenal and his Frank N. Furter costume was EVERYTHING! His cute little booty cheeks made me giggle (only because to me he's always gonna be Giles!) But I also died of happiness at the sight of them! I mean....I'm ace and I still about fainted from his hotness! 😂

[@laurahenriksen19]

I was just thinking about this, I've watched him as an actor for decades and am glad he was a decent person 😁

[@saff4997]

We live in the area and a lot of people own horses. A family friend owns a few and needed help with one, was recommended a place, phoned and was chatting and they said “Oh, let me get Anthony!” and family friend chatted with him for ages and only realised after it was THE Anthony. And my family are huge Buffy fans. From all accounts I’ve heard he is lovely, but of course we don’t know everyone’s behaviour all of the time. We can only hope.

[@yikespal2089]

Oh my god that’s amazing what a beautiful human

[@CarysCreatesThings]

The story about Joss Whedon killing off Charisma Carpenter’s character after she became pregnant reminded me of what Bill Cosby did to Lisa Bonet. He wrote her out of A Different World (which began as a Cosby Show spin-off centring around Denise going to college) when she became pregnant with Zoe. Her character was unmarried, and he said he thought it would be a bad look for the show. He also wasn’t happy that she filmed a s3x scene in the movie Angel Heart, and she posed topless for a magazine. Then not long after she returned to The Cosby Show a couple of years later, he fired her citing “creative differences”. This seems to be a pattern with creepy male show runners and directors. It’s all about control.

[@az21bob666]

The guy that play spike said cc was fired because he was on the show for season 5. And budget reason.

[@mrszinzinbadio]

@CarysCreatesThings seems like it ruins their creepy, lustful thoughts they have about these actresses when they become pregnant; especially when it's not by them. It's just my opinion, but it seems to be a pattern with these men and their weird, delusional fantasies. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@az21bob666]

or maybe it mess with the story,

[@CarysCreatesThings]

@@az21bob666 There are plenty of shows that have managed to hide actress’ pregnancies if they didn’t fit with the storyline, usually with strategically placed props, wardrobe choices, or clever editing. Here are just a few examples: Kerry Washington in Scandal Gillian Anderson in The X Files Courtney Cox in Friends Jane Krakowski in 30 Rock Cobie Smulders and Alyson Hannigan in How I Met Your Mother Debra Messing in Will and Grace Ellen Pompeo in Grey’s Anatomy Sarah Jessica Parker in Sex & the City And finally… (wait for it…) Phylicia Rashad in The Cosby Show. Interesting how Bill Cosby had no problem making accommodations to conceal her baby bump, yet couldn’t do the same for Lisa Bonet. That kind of throws your “maybe it messes with the story” defence out of the window.

[@CarysCreatesThings]

@@az21bob666 Plenty of shows have managed to hide actress’ pregnancies if they didn’t fit with the storyline. This was usually achieved with strategically placed props, wardrobe choices, and editing techniques. Here are just a few examples: Courtney Cox in Friends Kerry Washington in Scandal Gillian Anderson in The X-Files Alyson Hannigan and Cobie Smulders in How I Met Your Mother Jane Krakowsi in 30 Rock Sarah Jessica Parker in Sex & the City Debra Messing in Will & Grace Ellen Pompeo in Grey’s Anatomy And finally… (wait for it…) Phylicia Rashad in The Cosby Show interesting how Bill Cosby had no problem making accommodations to conceal her baby bump, yet he couldn’t (or rather wouldn’t) do the same for Lisa Bonet. that kind of throws your “maybe it would mess with the story” defence out of the window.

[@randomgeekcrap]

When i hear about an actress being "difficult" am always ask are we Shure she wasn't just defending herself biggest example Lucy Liu

[@jh-pc4iw]

I think a video looking at women labeled with this “difficult” label would be so interesting!

[@namewitheld2568]

Lots of men are labeled difficult but the buzz word for them is "demanding". Code words for bi*ch or a*shole.

[@lilliebobson3146]

Sure. Can you not spell?

[@virginielekiwi]

What happened to Lucy Liu

[@randomgeekcrap]

@@lilliebobson3146 unlike you Idc enough sorry 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@AntoinettexKitten]

Don't go on the Dr. Phil show if you actually want help. He's a monster

[@angelaholmes8888]

Yes

[@emilyemily444]

He's not even a real doctor, him & his wife are just grifters making a quick buck off of other people, who need real help.

[@catspaw3092]

Learning these talk show hosts aren't who they seem it's no wonder people still watch or even appear on these shows but then again "Money Talks."

[@cindytartt4048]

Yes, he was appalling to Nicky -disrespectful, unkind and plain nasty.

[@Attmay]

It was grotesque the way he exploited Shelley Duvall. I could not believe my eyes.

[@nevermind8905]

Charmed marked my childhood and early teen years but I just remember how it was never the same after Shanon left. There was always this feeling that something was missing

[@Alyse_bell]

Don’t understand how there is still a statue of limitations on CSA or SA at all

[@thomasarnoldcoe6527]

It’s an interesting discussion. I suppose in the US it would vary from state to state. Here in the UK, you have Summary offences ( like misdemeanours , less serious) and Indictable offences (like felonies, more serious) The statutory time limit for, lets say, S assault, or harassment without violence is 6 months to charge for an offence, R and S assault with penetration has no limit, as it is indictable However, the law is always being changed, and perhaps it should be for these serious matters, but all instances should be case by case on their own individual circumstances

[@evapunk522]

I think it might be partially because it's hard to prove after a certain point, but idk...I don't really like it either.

[@MichiaMakes]

As a 5 year old girl in America, I was held for 8 years in an SA trafficking slavery situation. The perpetrators literally confessed to more than I shared. They got 6 months county jail time and 5 years probation. The U. S. rewards white men for assaulting women and children.

[@lasylphide-s5j]

That’s America for you. I’m in Scandinavia and in all our three countries there is no statute of limitations CSA OR SA.

[@toriladybird511]

It shocks me in England we still investigate historical SA or Hard R no matter the decades passed to give justice.

[@inannanightingale9718]

Oh wow... I always wondered why Leo would just disappear from seasons for a while in Charmed. Especially towards the end when he was being kept away from them as an incentive for them to succeed. It seemed weird and I missed his character. That makes sense knowing it was a money thing.

[@Desert_Marcupial]

It actually passes me off that so many took a hit for her greediness, if this is true!

[@sarahkathryn90]

Same!!

[@JamesThomasJeans]

Allison ran a personal blog while she was on the show, where she posted poetry and talked about her life. She would engage with her fans there. I spoke to her a couple of times myself. I never saw her post about the cult there, but it was really clear that she was a soulful but lonely person. There was a real sense of melancholy about her. Keith targeted her, victimized her, and then shaped her into a fellow abuser. She has to take responsibility for her role in the cult, but it's still really sad to see how she was targeted and converted into this nightmare.

[@davidam9454]

That blog has been suspected of being a recruiting tool for the cult. Identifying potential recruiting targets

[@johnlombardo7816]

this imo(i commented on someone elses post in length so i wont here) is "most" of the younger or child stars today.. i dont think much of it was their doing or even with their knowledge to some extent.. MK ultra is real, and we are all in some way mind controlled but they are literally not themselves for most of their young lives, and many in their adult lives as well.. this is why we see the britneys, bynes, and the likes "going crazy" if you have any interest, there was a guy named Fritz Springmaier who wrote a book or two on it as well as has helped victims of mind control and SRA for years, split personalities from abuse is an evil evil thing.. grooming leads to all of it.

[@fifinoir]

People often can be both victim and perpetrator. Obviously most victims don't go on to be abusers themselves but it can be a catalyst. And if your mind is shaped by someone like that it can be hard to understand ones own actions.

[@briannalee1998]

Very well said. And I agree.

[@siracastori01]

I already knew about Brandon, thus I didn't think he would be the person the last edit would be about, so I watched the entire video thinking "Please let it not be Giles".

[@jennfandrich3365]

I’m so glad I’m not the only one with that thought 😅 we NEED him to be good.

[@1980rlquinn]

I wasn't aware about Brandon, but I was also thinking, "Oh, gods, not Tony Head. I couldn't bear it if I found out he was a trash human..."

[@aliciawigren3170]

Agreed. He my favorite and I would likely crumble. He’s also in a movie called “Repo! The Genetic Opera”. Not the biggest masterpiece in the world, but he is fantastic. And yes, he sings 🥹

[@Polemodrome]

Yeah, Anthony S. Head is amazing, oozing with natural English charisma. I am glad he wasn't too smeared by all this fiasco. If it wasn't for him, I probably wouldn't have taken an interest in the show to begin with, since I was way more into supernatural drama with mature settings like "Poltergeist: The Legacy"

[@alyzu4755]

By all accounts Anthony Head is a lovely person. 🥰

[@ace-of-bats]

Oh my gosh, please do make videos for as many of these shows as you can/want to. This is fascinating!

[@coffeeandcults]

I find it fascinating too! Thanks so much for watching!

[@ace-of-bats]

@@coffeeandcults My pleasure. :) Looking forward to the One Tree Hill (and/or CW Part 2) vid, as well!

[@pinduxa2020]

hear hear!!!

[@sleepingdog5619]

Please, please, please do more like this one. I'm happy if you do one o every CW show and one on CW. Only if you want to, though. I'm new to your channel but I'm loving everything I've seen so far. Keep it up 😊

[@Atlantisheals]

Great video watched the whole thing. Impressive research

[@kitfash]

First time mvp watcher here. As soon as she said , "Buffy the vampire Slayer, Angel, Charm, and Dawson's Creed," I was in for all of it. Thank you for all your work.

[@laidoffjournalist]

Yes, me too. Why can't we get TV like that, again?

[@Adsin16]

This makes me sad, because I was one of the people who thought he was getting help and doing better. And many people I know who met him all had stories like yours, of him being charming, but more than that, nice and friendly. You do a great job informing people without it feeling like you are reveling in someone else's misery and failures, like a lot of people who report on celebrities do. Thank you.

[@chriswildfire]

It is sad to know he hasn’t gotten the help he needs women can’t change him though he has to want that for himself

[@ScientificallyStupid]

I agree, just relating events/facts without salivating over the fact that a troubled person has fucked up many times. My husband is a therapist who specializes in something called (if I've gotten it right) dialectical behavioral therapy where "both things can be true"- NB is a deeply troubled person who was harmed as a child and now struggles with rage and substance abuse- and is also a kind, charming dude when he's his best self. Nothing is ever black and white, it's not an either/or situation, and I'm so glad that was presented here.

[@Sunshine-is_here_to_stay]

I have been a Buffy fan since the beginning & i had NO idea about the domestic violence. I thought his arrests were for drugs. I dont like how she said "every fan knows who he is." Because thats not true. I just found all this stuff out after seeing this video!

[@belinus7180]

Charmed was a great show when Shannon was on it. While Rose McGowan was good in her role, it seemed like such a stretch to have a fourth sister suddenly come out of the woodwork in order to have the show limp along. And the writing started to go downhill as well. Like having Brian Krause's character be frozen in carbonite during Season 8 because his death was supposed to tip the balance to fight off "the Triad". Went hand-in-hand with the plummeting quality of the special effects too. By the end the "demons" were just humans.

[@FallenOrderx3]

I mean I feel like holly made those seasons good

[@belinus7180]

@@FallenOrderx3 Pretty much. I think she was pretty much the only thing that anchored the show to what it started as. The pointless expansion of the "magical world" was like they were trying to cram Charmed into the world of Harry Potter or something with expanding to Curpids, dwarves, etc. Granted they had started that prior a bit with the fairy/troll episode, but they completely threw out the formula that worked for Seasons 1 & 2.

[@doreensama]

​@@FallenOrderx3I think so too though Shannon's character Prue is still my favorite. I cried when they killed her off

[@Treens08]

Excellent video!! Congratulations 🎊 I'll watch anything that you want to present. Amazing stuff 👏

[@mamoutraore229]

I agree with you, in fact the only season that I really like after Shannon's departure is the 6th because I love Chris'character and arch and i liked that for once the sisters and leo weren't seemingly perfect but after that I really couldnt bring myself to like the show

[@yikespal2089]

I rewatch charmed, Buffy and Angel A LOT and the secret is to never watch the last episode and you do t get so depressed

[@TheMakeupChair]

I saw Nicholas Brendon in Ireland, it was a small comic con in Kerry and I was surprised to see him there, now I get why.

[@ooladyj0oo]

This came up on my home page, and I have never seen someone point out all their great experiences with someone and still want to warn people, wow instant sub

[@waynesworldofsci-tech]

We adore you too babe. Don’t apologize at all for the additional information. It added huge amounts of valuable context. You do a great job.

[@coffeeandcults]

Thank you so much, I really appreciate the kind words ❤️

[@Vaeta]

Huge Scooby Gang fan (Buffy) here and friend of a post convention host. My friend created a convention, since he worked in the industry and had many celebrity clients he could just schedule to do his con. It was a general convention that had fans and guests from sci-fi shows, cartoons, live TV shows, comics, anime, everything really. My brother and the host were really good friends, my brother and I were in a cosplay group, and thus this friend asked us (our whole cosplay group) to host the cosplay competition for the con. We had a pretty well known cosplayer on the pannel (also a friend), a voice actor, and a live actor. Now when we heard that Nicholas Brendon was gonna be a guest judge we all flipped out and were super excited. Both the celebrity guest judges were a tad late, while one was humble and super apologetic, the other just blew it off and acted as if he was too good to be there in the first place. His eyes were red and puffy, smelled of alcohol, he used unnecessarily vulger language in a competition that had small children competing in, and he had this overall air of suppiriority. Now I didn't know that many famous live actors (I only had spoken to voice actors) so there was that question on if that's just how they were... But then you get to the other guest judge we had, one of the most famous voice actors (in my opinion) today. I didn't realize who he was until after I met him, his name and face really meant nothing to me, but then two competitors came up on the stage dressed as Darkwing Duck and Morgana Macawber. Out of no where this guy I really didn't make a connection with took the mic and started doing the Darkwing Duck mololog... Because he was Jim Cummings, the voice actor for Darkwing Duck. The entire room went crazy. At the end, Nicholas Brendon sort of huffed off, while Jim Cummins stayed behind to talk to the competitors, and us, the hosts. He did a few pictures, hand shakes, and a few autographs. I was looking forward to meeting Nicholas Brendon and was gobsmacked at how much of an ass he was (I believe the next week after this con or soon after it, he was arrested and we all just rolled our eyes at that point). It took me a long time to be able to enjoy watching Buffy again, I realized it is okay for me to still enjoy it, as long as I am aware of the truth. On the other hand I was ignorant a the time of the name Jim Cummings and wish I had realized sooner how much of an idol I was meeting. I still hate myself for being such an idiot. You live and you learn. I now take great care to learn about my favorite voice actors so I never make this mistake again. I have no evidence, I honestly don't even remember what year it was, probably early 2010s, I'm sure if I asked my brother he'd remember. Not overly important though, just another random person's personal account of how much of a dick Nicholas Brendon is to meet in person.

[@marocat4749]

Amazing 😀

[@Lapislazuli_36]

I still enjoy buffy bc I always hated Xander, he was a self victimizing douchebag who made buffy feel bad bc she didn't want to be with him

[@kinetiklee1464]

​@@Lapislazuli_36agreed, Xander was the original incel

[@SmilingBassGuitar-hh2eq]

Makes sense considering he ended up on a Dr Phil episode for addiction and being an overall jerk.

[@inscrutababble1932]

My favourite behind-the-makeup actor is Doug Jones. Apparently he's really dedicated and great to work with. I love how he emotes through layers of latex and makeup, often without having to say a word. Except the Buffy episode with the Gentlemen. Thanks Doug... You gave a whole generation of viewers recurring nightmares. I mean, not me actually, because I never watched it when it was first on TV(I was more interested in sci fi), so I was lucky I was more prepared and able to handle it. That creepy kid though, and the Gentlemen themselves - especially Doug and his goddamn terrifyingly flawless performance - made me think 'Holy crap...I thought this was a show for teens?! This'll give them all nightmares!'. And he was such a goddamn polite psychopath too...

[@lulusubecz]

I loved this video. I was able to meet Nicky a few years ago in Orlando for one of his bowling meet n greets. I will honestly say, he was an absolute delight. There were maybe 7-10 of us there, we bowled, he bought us all food, and gave the absolute best hugs I've ever gotten from anyone ever. Lol, it's like he hugged you with his whole being.. We have pics together, and I wasn't aware at the time of ALL the issues he had. He had only a few beers but never got drunk. At one point we were all outside having a break, I rang my mom to tell her what I was up to, (yup, a 30 something still thrilled that I was hanging out with Xander, and my mom adored his character.). Nicky looked up at me, and I lipped, "it's my Mom." And the next thing I know, the man is having a hilarious conversation with my mom. She's no longer with us, but that absolutely gave her a memory she cherished. And I cherish that moment as well. His girlfriend (I think it may have been Sara) was delightful. She seemed a little like she was walking on eggshells now looking back, but she was wonderful. He signed autographs for us all, ( mine even mentions my mom,) he took tons of photos with us, wasn't shy about talking about some of his issues (so I'd hoped he was on the up and up,) and left us all wanting to hang with him again. I tuned into his fireside live videos and loved blhis art, and will still pray for the guy. He definitely needs some solid extended rehab time. My heart to anyone who ever was harmed by him and his actions. I'll hold those positive memories dear to my heart, but I will also stand with the victims. I hope he gets help. 🙏

[@frumtheground]

Yeah, idk. I've heard nothing but good things! I hope he gets help, too. Idk how much I'll believe from just second-hand info, but at the same time, it wouldn't surprise me either. There are a number of beloved stars who have monsters on their backs. I'm sure much of it we don't know.

[@rossgadsby9663]

Dont matter what he was. Dudes who physically abuse women womt ever change. Theyre shit at their core. Sadly its usually as a result of some childhood trauma. However once you become the victimizer you deserve no sympathy

[@LSnicket]

I'm Brazilian and, unfortunately, my wife doesn't speak English. Sometimes I watch or hear something I wish she could listen with me and this is one of those times. I'm taking way longer to finish this video bc I'm reporting A LOT to her lol. She loved most of those shows while I'm most a Buffy and Angel's fan (Buffy x Angel 4ever!!! (unless Angel chooses me obviously lol)). I loved to share this with my wife even if I had to stop every few minutes and translate it to her. Just letting you know both me and her loved this video! There's so much information there and so many of them should be known for more people.

[@coffeeandcults]

Hi lovely, that so wonderful to hear, thank you! I'm so glad you enjoy the videos! Just to let you know, when my videos first release, I ALWAYS add subtitles for nearly every language, I want my content as accessible as possible. It takes a few hours for them to all populate, but if you check back about four to six hours after the release, the Portuguese subtitles will be there! If you look at the video screen, in the bottom right there is a little gear, hit subtitles, then hit ENGLISH (AUTOGENERATED) I know that sounds wrong but trust me. Then close that little gear, reopen it again, hit subtitles again, then a new option should have populated "Auto Translate", hit that & it will bring you to a long list of languages, select the language you want & your wife should be able to watch! Thanks so much again, let me know what your wife thinks, I hope she likes the video!

[@LSnicket]

@@coffeeandcults omg!! This is so cool!! I tried the auto translate subtitles and they weren’t working but I’m gonna do it again and share it with my wife. Thank you so much!!!

[@twoozyuzi2215]

​@@LSnicketit's works now :)

[@LSnicket]

@@twoozyuzi2215 thanks!!

[@MiguelDracul]

Brasileiro aqui que também ama Buffy e Angel. ❤️

[@lindseynethery]

I loved charm so much as a child. My sons names Leo when I told my dad I was naming him Leo my dad said “he’ll be a white lighter” I knew it was the perfect fit

[@miskatonic6210]

I feel sorry for him.

[@elaniarkady7351]

Congratulations on your kiddo! Hope you are all doing well.

[@DieAlteistwiederda]

My sister named her now almost 19 year old daughter Piper. Charmed was my sister's favorite for a while. I also watched it because I of course was also a huge Buffy fan and liked all those shows that had some supernatural themes.

[@dieSchreckschraube]

You kids aren't canvases for you to display your fandoms, thankfully the character he's named after has a normal name. Also, please lern how to use apostrophes, you are missing several.

[@kdog4587]

Learn how to spell the word learn before you criticise someone else​@@dieSchreckschraube

[@davidcoleman730]

I can’t believe Kristin got Allison involved in it, and no one has Kristin accountable to my knowledge

[@georginabensley9453]

As far as I can tell Kristin was only ever involved at a really low level for a short time, never got into any of the secret or dark stuff, and left pretty early still thinking it was just a fancy self-help group. The people on the inside who came forward to expose backed this up too, she didn't really know anything.

[@ingvarhallstrom2306]

I just wanted to say what an incredibly professional job you're doing with these videos. This is digging journalism that professional tv networks would pay millions and millions into doing if they were into it, the problem is that they're not. And that's why the job you're doing is actually invaluable, because no one else is doing it. I really hope that you earn enough on this to continue working on that high level of content?

[@coffeeandcults]

Thank you so much for such a lovely comment! I really appreciate it! I love making these videos. I don’t do sponsorships so I have literally today started a Patreon just if people want more videos but no pressure! I also have a ‘real world’ job but I would love to be full time here ☺️ Thanks so much again! ❤️

[@meredithmeredith3384]

Wow that's a backhanded compliment 😳

[@meredithmeredith3384]

Awesome channel👌

[@ingvarhallstrom2306]

@@meredithmeredith3384 That certainly wasn't my intention, and I apologize if that's the impression you get. Perhaps if you could explain what you mean, so that I can clarify?

[@saulmassey2305]

I don't see anything back handed, am I missing something? A genuine compliment about someone's excellent research skills is all I gleamed

[@HallowqueenCrafting]

It's a hard thing to realize that something that you loved as a younger person was made amid scandal and abuse. I worshipped Joss for a long time, and it's taken me a long time to come to terms with the fact that he is not someone who deserved that kind of adoration, if anyone really ever does. I wish healing to the victims, and even to many of the offenders.

[@markx1126]

The fanbase always put Joss Whedon on too high of a pedestal, ignoring the fact that it was a team effort that made his shows amazing. Buffy had many amazing writers, and an excellent cast. Sure, Joss played a role in all that. He convinced the WB to resurrect a cheesy 90’s movie. He had an excellent eye for talent too. And as a storyteller, some of his arcs were genius, some were meh. But yes, he deserves some credit. But I never thought it was fair that the fanbase acted like he deserved 99% credit. I definitely think it went to his head. From the sound of it, the more famous he got, the worse of a person he became.

[@terminatrix92]

I think it's important not to put Whedon in the same camp as Nicholas Brendan. One is an asshole the other is a monster.

[@markx1126]

⁠@@terminatrix92 But it’s debatable which is which. Nicholas Brendan is mentally ill and has a serious substance abuse problem. Substance issues can completely change a person. Not saying he should be at conventions, where he can draw unsuspecting fans into his blackhole, but he needs serious help. Joss, on the other hand, has no excuse for his bad behavior. Keep in mind that psychological abuse can be nearly as bad as physical abuse. Joss created a toxic environment, and it’s even possible that this may have contributed to Nicky’s trauma.

[@terminatrix92]

@@markx1126 but by that logic Joss Whedon does have an excuse: he found his dead friend in a pond when he was a child. It fuelled the darkness in his work apparently. His parents also forced all his siblings to be creatives as children, at least according to him. I’m not excusing his behaviour but Whedon has as much reason to be screwed up as anyone. The difference for me is Whedon literally has never been accused of a crime. Inappropriate and unprofessional behaviour yes; whilst creating some of the most beloved art of a generation… he should have been fired but clearly Whedon made an already toxic environment worse, rather than being solely responsible for it. If someone comes forward with a direct SA allegation or another abuse that would be definitive but the man was essentially cancelled for the same reason Michael Scott is a terrible boss on the office whilst Brendan literally attacked people

[@WhatdidtheCountessdo]

​@jaredbaratta8589Guessing that you think that being an actor on a not particularly well paid TV gig means she literally never had to work again? Sometimes people go back to terrible workplaces because they have to eat and have other people to feed.

[@crispycol4904]

Buffy and Charmed are the shows I watched growing up with my parents, so they mean a lot to me, despite knowing what's behind the scenes. It was such a rollercoaster to learn all this. MVP, my cats just followed yours~

[@nolungesplease2945]

Used to watch Charmed with my mother. We are team Shannon. My mother only stayed watching because of Holly. Otherwise she would have stopped watching as the show went downhill. I remember when the first episode aired. It was raining and the t.v kept dropping in and out. 😂

[@JB-kr3xz]

Same! I loved Shannon. Holly was my other favorite and kept me going. I grew to love Paige but never liked Phoebe.

[@Thankgot]

Pru ❤

[@88Tex]

Alyssa Milano was 100% the problem

[@miskatonic6210]

But also 100% the most talented actress among them.

[@88Tex]

@@miskatonic6210 I disagree, she’s not bad but Holly Marie Combs is a way better actress, just hasn’t done as much.

[@voutsider190]

I agree. Can't stand her

[@patrizziad3446]

When I was younger, I always thought it was Shannon the issue. So unfair.

[@bethanyhanna9464]

​@@patrizziad3446Shannon WAS a huge problem. She was a known issue on 90210, and Charmed. Her cancer journey has been a real wakeup call. However Alissa wasn't without sin herself, and is the one with the overinflated ego who held a lawsuit for a toxic work environment over the producer's heads. She went on to have issues with Holly and Rose, but nothing to the level she had with Shannon. Notice who are currently doing a Charmed podcast, and who isn't as involved. Rose didn't even work with Shannon on the show, and she can get along better with her. Shannon and Alissa were both prolific child stars with previous iconic roles under their belts. Shannon having been on Little House and 90210, Alissa having grown up on Who's The Boss and becoming a teen mag heartthrob. (Boys of a certain age had posters much like their older brothers had posters of Farah Faucet) Fame at this level, at such a young age often causes ego issues.

[@erinmarie3507]

MVP right here, baby. That last section was gripping for me because I am not only a Buffy fan but have been attending conventions for 12 years.

[@KT-fy6bl]

This is the first video I’ve watched of yours and I am impressed. This is great video essay and I like that you don’t go into unnecessary detail about people who didn’t do anything wrong but just happened to be around at the time. Great work!!

[@lauravass8026]

Watched it all and impressed with your authenticity and hard work in research. I’ll be honest I’m 70 years old and never watched any of these shows. I knew about them, but they were geared to a younger audience and I was in my 40’s and 50’s. I am gay and never believed we would ever have representation. I started watching your channel while I was enjoying Wynonna Earp. Love that show. Sorry, got off the track. Just wanted to let you know I love your content on both your channels. Thanks!

[@tartfuel]

One quick note: When Whedon took over Justice League because of the tragic death in Zack Snyder's family, he didn't decide to change the script and reshoot. The studio was already unhappy with how DC films were not as popular as the Marvel Cinematic Universe and decided to hire Whedon to make the movies more comedic and light-hearted. In other words they wanted the film to be like a Marvel movie. The studio wanted this. Joss did what they wanted. Now, that does not excuse his bad behavior during production at all. I am just making this one point clear.

[@az21bob666]

Joss had like 12 week to fix if. And I felt his jl was better then Snyder

[@guhwakk]

Thank you for posting such long documentaries. I got extremely sick last summer, and your videos genuinely are always such a perfect distraction whenever they come out. You actually cover topics that a lot of other documentaries don’t, which means it actually is a legitimate distraction because I’m learning new things about topics I’m obsessed with! Can’t wait to finish this video

[@Risu1177]

Not surprised about Xander. Saw him and Cordilia at a convention and he was rather intoxicated on stage with Cordilia and seemed like she didn't want to be there.

[@Miss_ESL]

Nicholas Brendon has been VERY open about his MHIs and struggles with addiction as a result of an industry that dgaf about his mental health so long as he was working his ass off. This is a really insensitive take on somebody who is/was ill.

[@maxkproductions]

@@Miss_ESL it's complex. he has done bad things which need to be called out and can't be defended, yet he's also very clearly a mentally ill man who unfortunately has never received the help he deserved.

[@IwonaKlich]

His name is Nicholas Brendon, Xander is a Buffy character. And yes his problems are probably "boosted" by atmosphere in Buffy plan. Imagine being a victim of sexual assault and being forced to play it - and yes it was season 3, him and Eliza Dushku (who's also a victim of that)... and that was a time when nobody ask actor "hey you wanna play this?". You just play...

[@LeadersInDisguise]

@@Miss_ESL Doesn't excuse domestic abuse.

[@ptolemeeselenion1542]

​@@IwonaKlich Not just Season 3. There has an episode in Season 1 or Season 2 involving his character Xander getting nearly forced into deadly breeding with a monster, had his friends not intervened at time. The epilogue of the episode did simply brush it off as comedical, but when I was watching it on DVD by 2015, I wasn't having it. I could tell that the actor felt uncomfortable and genuinely upset for the entire duration of this scene.

[@Kileyannbb]

There's so many videos on KZbin that promise a lot but you're the only one that actually delivers! Great job!

[@hollib3900]

I’m not sure how this came across my feed, but I couldn’t be more thankful for it. I’m going to binge your deep dives which are so thorough. Great video!

[@Elina--]

Charmed was also popular at Finland. BUT here its name was "My sister is a witch" 😄 I remember it coming from TV time i got home from school. Thanks for the video 🩷 i love these longer videos.

[@maidingermany]

In Germany the Show was called Charmed - Zauberhafte Hexen. I'm still a Fan and also like the new Series.

[@Guchiandra]

In Lithuania the show used to be called "San Francisko raganos" (The Witches of San Francisco). 😅 It's so weird that they rename the shows locally so drastically.

[@Elina--]

@@Guchiandra that's funny! 😆 Yeah I have thought so too 🤔

[@ЛераЯрошенко-м7с]

We had similar thing in Ukraine! For some reason Charmed was called "All women are witches"

[@Elina--]

@@ЛераЯрошенко-м7с oh really! Every country different name 😄

[@ismaelgm13]

Is so crazy to me that when the cas of Charmed meet you always see Shannen (RIP), Holly, and Rose with the guys like Brian and Dorian which tells you everything you may need to know about the relationship they all ended up having with Alyssa

[@Lapislazuli_36]

Dorian has hung out with Alyssa, I don't think he cared about any of the drama even tho he was part of it bc he was married & was hooking up with Shannen during charmed.

[@Lapislazuli_36]

Brian also cheated on him wife with Alyssa. They dated for a while so it's not so it probs didn't end well & he got bitter about it so it's not surprising to not see him around Alyssa bc who wants to be around an ex?

[@kiernan415]

This is absolutely some of your finest work! I'd love another one like this on the cw shows if you're up to it!!! 💜

[@coffeeandcults]

Thank you so much Maggie! I def want to do a CW version 💜

[@theresabu3000]

👍 Would love a sequel with one tree hill or the whole CW

[@chrissieknowsbest]

I was obsessed with Supernatural growing up, my sister and I watched everything up to about season 8 religiously. I would love an episode on that show! Also many thanks for the great episode, I thoroughly enjoyed it. :)

[@rickhaydan3433]

Really fantastic reporting. You cleared up a lot of stuff that has been mucked up by the mainstream media. You have also brought out a lot stuff they have missed.

[@iLoveTheEighties80]

MVP!!! I’m 42 now so I watched Buffy and Angel back in high school/college. I loved them so much - I still have the DVD collections for both shows. I never really got into Charmed - I’ve just seen random episodes here and there. I have never seen one episode of Smallville or One Tree Hill before. I was more into Buffy and Angel and Dawson’s Creek (which I also have on DVD). Thanks for all of your hard work! I remembered vaguely something about Nicholas Brendon having an alcohol problem, but I had no clue it was so bad and that he has been arrested 14 times AND is a viol*nt ab*ser!!! I already watched your video about Allison Mack and NXIVM so even though I have never watched Smallville, I know all about that crazy cult thanks to your informative video. I can’t wait to see what video you do next!

[@elizabethwillis885]

I love how your cat is just sitting there. Looking extremely bored. While you talk about all this crazy stuff.

[@Petersmith57921]

I'm shocked to find out so much I didn't know about my favourite programmes thank you for doing this video

[@cupofcozy708]

Woah, can't wait to dive into this! Charmed was my show back in the day ❤

[@coffeeandcults]

Buffy, Charmed, Angel & Smallville, loved them all! ❤️ Thanks so much for watching!

[@Proudtman]

Never got into Smallville myself, but otherwise it's the same for me

[@samanthapadgett2594]

Charmed is the best show ever ♥️

[@PatrickWentzell-jd9gq]

​@@coffeeandcults I like your videos please continue them when possible .

[@Tracer0403]

Yes please! Do Charmed… on the side note… I’m Team Shannen… every hardcore fans know that it was Alyssa’s fault why Shannen left Charmed!

[@d.lhudson3875]

Facts!!!!

[@derekgaly5075]

How Shannen getting fired was Alyssa's fault? Don't come at me with the ultimatum because a huge network and production company would not fall for that. Holly and Shannen clearly stated that they did not want to talk to the mediator the wb brought in, meaning they did not want to resolve things. I'm not saying Alyssa's an angel, but none of them were. If you really look at it unbiased you'll see all three of them were the problem. Shannen being jealous of Alyssa's growing popularity, Alyssa's need to be in a competion with Shannen and Holly flip flopping like she always has (in my opinion she's the meanest one)

[@mamoutraore229]

I mean there was something obviously wrong with alyssa since everyone seemed to have issues with her ... if everyone you know have issues with you maybe you are the problem not others ?

[@1977TA]

@@derekgaly5075 Shannen being forced out was Alyssa's fault. She threatened to sue the network if she was not given what Shannen was getting. Her ego was too big to accept her place on Shannen's show as the 3rd lead. She wanted what Shannen had and used blackmail to get it. The media narrative that Shannen had a history of being difficult to work with was the studio's excuse to let her go. Alyssa had them by the balls. If they fired her, she would have sued them. Their only choice was to get rid of Shannen. That stuff with the mediator was not the straw that broke the camel's back. It was Alayssa's blackmail play. I hate her to this day for stealing Charmed from Shannen.

[@1977TA]

@@mamoutraore229 Alyssa was the problem on the set of Charmed. Not only that but she seems to have a few screws loose in her pea brain. Have you seen the ridiculous stuff she posts on social media? If I was a studio executive, I wouldn't hire her even if she was the last female on earth.

[@Tracywhited2]

Alyssa is just not a nice person. And her ego is a state of its own. The other girls always had a much kinder aura and so much more talented. It's a shame she ruined the show for everyone. In general the behavior of Hollywood as a whole is pretty disgusting as so many more of this abusive behavior has been exposed. Thanks for this video and bringing more light to the dark side. Be careful who you admire

[@marocat4749]

And worse is, she was great at the start so alyssa was probably more professional then?

[@therealameliabedelia7821]

The really unfortunate thing is that, in the case of Charmed, I feel like Doherty, Combs and Milano would have had the power to negotiate as a team, as losing one of them from the cast would not have been as ideal or easily handled as other shows. With the Friends situation still pretty new (having happened for the third season of Friends in 1996), I would not be surprised if there were strings being pulled to ensure that the three ladies of Charmed had an amount of jealously and animosity that would prevent such a negotiation from happening.

[@danielspitz9077]

I used to like Alyssa very much, but became disillusioned after October 7the terror attack on Israel, which she didn't condemn and was more concern with the assailants rather than the victims. Stopped following her ever since. If possible, I got even more disillusioned after hearing Shannen's podcast where she revealed she was fired from the show.

[@hannahmintz3661]

Hi! MVP! As a Supernatural/Smallville/OTH fanatic, I understand the shock that was felt when the appreciation for Mack turned to utter disgust. I would listen to a CW followup. Thank you for your vids!

[@RoseyVamp]

I remember watching Charmed a lot growing up - not in any particular order, but just reruns. And I was always confused watching episodes of S1-3 vs after S3 and now I know why. I feel so sorry for Shannon and Holly for what happened to them.

[@AvronChristopher]

First off, I generally would never sit and watch any video on KZbin that is so long. I am a massive fan of Buffy and the original Charmed. I watched them as well as Smallville and recall the situation with Allison Mack. I hadn't heard much about her after that time period. I would love to hear more about these stories.

[@AntoinettexKitten]

Kind of hypocritical of mila to mock nxivm while in her own cult

[@Polemodrome]

You can't really expect self awareness from a cultist, otherwise they wouldn't be part of a cult to begin with, hahaa

[@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396]

@@PolemodromeWhich cult?

[@PaulAngileri]

@@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396Scientology

[@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396]

@@PaulAngileri I don’t think she is a Scientologist. I thought that was Laura Prepon.

[@PaulAngileri]

@@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396 Prepon was Scientologist. Kunis and Kutcher have apparently never said they are, but have been seen at Scientology functions and with Scientologists quite often, so even if they aren’t, they appear to be pretty Scientology adjacent.

[@nathanielbacon2661]

Buffy is still my favorite show of all time. 🖤

[@meredithsasser5713]

I am a huge Buffy fan. I heard about Nicholas' arrests. I was surprised. I knew he disappeared from Criminal Minds, but at that time I did not know about the arrests. I thought he was addicted to drugs. I think that happens with all types of artists (actors, writers, painters, and musicians). Many have found solace in drugs. However, I did not know he was abusive toward women. I find his behavior despicable, and obviously he does not care that he hurts women.

[@kdub8138]

This was an incredible deep dive. As a 90's teenager WB was amazing. And to learn things I had heard, but never really dived into this was eye opening. Thank you for doing this and creating such a great documentary. I actually enjoyed the edits in because it showed just how much research and love went into the show. You are the true MVP, I can't wait to hear any of your next projects.

[@coffeeandcults]

Thank you so much for watching lovey, I so appreciate the kinds words, support & of course, you!

[@casscampbell2561]

THIS IS ONLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN DREAMING OF!! havent watched even a second yet & im already so invested.

[@tiredofitall9213]

Omg😱🤯 I graduated in 97 and I could've sworn that I watched Dawson's Creek and Buffy both while I was in Highschool!

[@liisaking1247]

I have a T shirt with photos of the main cast members that says Class of 1999. How can it be that long ago?

[@gillianb6508]

The first person I heard speak out about Joss was his ex wife, Kai Cole. She described his problematic behaviors before any actors spoke out.

[@MiraBoo]

“On the surface, Hollywood looks like the perfect place…” Does it? I remember terrifying hordes of entitled paparazzi invading people’s privacy, unsubstantiated and cruel stories plastered across the covers of magazines at the checkout line, young kids panicking to appropriately answer the impromptu questions of adults in televised interviews, actual news taking a backseat to announce that an individual was seen doing something utterly mundane, and a lot of unwarranted humiliation and unchecked egotism. All because they were famous celebrities. As a creative person and artist, I always loved and appreciated acting and music. But I loathe the fame that accompanies being a successful performer. The _work_ is what should be famous, not the artist’s personal/private life. The artist, of course, should be credited and compensated for their work, but I never understood the need to parade and exploit them. Hollywood-the real Hollywood, not the idealized idea of Hollywood-never seemed all that glamorous to me. It’s rust that’s been gilded in fool’s gold.

[@thechickapedia1175]

On the very basic high up surface looking thousands of miles from the air I guess?

[@ptolemeeselenion1542]

It's even worse.

[@HausOfAdonis]

Yeah but ur an artist. The average person is excited by and encourages fame in the entertainment business. And yes, sports are also part of the entertainment industry. The amount of grown ass men following recently graduated highscool and college athletes is astounding. They’re doing the same thing a Swifty does; giving undying praise and loyalty to their teams, and certain performers. Obviously, the average person is not aware of the sex trafficking, the cults, the murders, the abuse, and other heinous crimes that are part of the ENTIRE entertainment industry. So yeah, the entertainment industry does look glamorous. Finally, a lot of the behind the scenes drama on shows, the Clive Davis & P. Diddy freak offs, Nickelodeon child abuse, the rampant pedophilia…etc. crimes are only now being openly exposed to the public 🙄🙄. You know the creator of this channel was right to begin her intros like this….you just like to fight 😂😂

[@theripper1705]

Check out The Day of the Locust

[@NelsonStJames]

Hollywood hasn’t looked like the perfect place since the 70’s,

[@cu_ri_o]

I'll admit, I only clicked on the video because of Buffy. I'll always have a soft spot for it. the last time I watched all the episodes, I cried in the middle of the show. not because something sad happened, but because I realized I'll never have the time back when I watched it the first time and how much I miss being just a child, no matter how shitty my childhood was sometimes 🥲

[@naominoire2059]

I am BINGING these videos!! You are doing a great job, thank you for sharing this and keep doing what you’re doing! 💗

[@JammyDodgerXD]

I was at the exact same David Boreanaz event with my mum. I was 13 and so damn excited but David didnt even look at me. I could have been a dog for all he knew. He spoke to his friends and ignored me completely. I met Nicky and his brother there and they were so lovely. They made the entire day and really cheered me up. I never would have guessed he was so troubled. I really hope he gets help but i also hope that all these people hes hurt get justice Edit: as i continued watcjjng and you mentioned the event again. I believe the event was on Watchdog not long after !

[@theheathen9415]

Or he was weirded having a bunch of young girl drool over hi Like any normal adult male would, or was incredibly shy or it was just an event his agency made him do and he had no choice.

[@ScorpioRising13]

@@theheathen9415So you ignore your fans - the people who made you famous? Why even play on a teenage show - as a 28y/o knowing you were cast for your looks - if it makes him so uncomfortable. I love how people get so defensive over Angel and the actor just because they think he is hot.

[@marocat4749]

To be fair, fans arent owed that, its nice if, but ignoring fans is still respectful. Fighting with fans would be toxic Ok if there is more context it would be different. ok nik had a traumatic sa messing robably with him, david, his brother great, and i dont think nik and david fighting is , i dont know, castmembers can have beef? oh unless its shown why its just an incident

[@marocat4749]

Ok nik with trauma, substance abuse makes sense,,his brother being great. And david probably there was shy and , i dont know why they fought, without context, castmembers fight all the time, dunno what was their beef?! Oh god he must be easy be drawn to cults?!

[@aesinam]

You talk as if you were the only one at the event

[@diane_5789]

Here after Shannen left us💔

[@tracyjane7724]

Most youtubers would have split each chapter into separate videos, thank you so much for creating this wonderful masterpiece. The edits injected in were excellent and kept us viewers up to date with the fact. I'd love to see you look at more programmes like Supernatural, Vampire Diaries, The Originals and The Gilmore Girls. I actually hope there's no drama behind any of those as i love them all 😊 You should be an investigative journalist with your talents.

[@ChristopherGlenn-mq5eg]

The shows that were on the WB Network during the 90s were the starting point for many actors. Don't people miss the 90s.

[@montananerd8244]

I loved Holly & her character for not being so naturally “hotsy totsy.” Shannen & Alyssa were notably “smoking hot” but Holly was more wholesome looking & it was cool that they also showed her as a strong, sexy witch too. They definitely leaned in to her as the “mom” but she did get the sexy good guy boyfriend/hubby. I loved that they did not make her the “ugly sister” comic foil.

[@miskatonic6210]

So the show succeeded in making her the bland, protective average girl character every girl that felt insecure and average could relate to. Wow, even a boring girl gets a hot guy! Seriously, writing these stereotypical characters to cater to teenager fantasies and exploiting their fears isn't witchcraft.

[@ChocolatexCherries3]

she was literally the hottest of the bunch imo i loved piper so much

[@dianafausto1114]

Your cat cracks me up! Aside from that, you really do an amazing job of documenting and presenting the information.

[@matthewchewning3822]

Actresses are not the only ones labelled as difficult. Marlon Brando, Val Kilmer and Russell Crowe were labelled that way. The producers of The Witcher tried slandering Henry Cavill witht that label but castmates defended him.

[@dennischristopher9952]

Marlon Brando was an abuser and Russell Crowe has been an explosive drunk. They earned that reputation

[@Listening_Books12345]

The difference is Marlon Brando, Val Kilmer and Russell Crowe have reputations for being assholes because they have, on more than one occasion, acted like giant assholes during filming. They're labeled difficult to work with because they actually were difficult, loud, egotistical, and impatient. That all makes a person difficult. Cavil and Topher Grace got that reputation for reasons most women get that reputation: by just having boundaries that they stand by. They didn't throw tantrums, they weren't divas, they didn't cuss out the crew or directors or refuse to learn their lines, like other actually difficult actors have done.

[@kaleshabastion2332]

I am down for any and all television shows you want to do! This is some of my favourite content at the moment. Hits both the nostalgia button and the morbid curiosity button for me.

[@coops9597]

Please make a full Charmed video 🙏 love your content

[@thefrankmiller5030]

I SECOND THIS MOTION

[@kierasthoughts2480]

I third it, as well as a full one about One Tree Hill

[@fearless-i8z]

Fourth

[@morganheisch8151]

I fifth that!

[@ajloveslifexo]

First time watcher and I absolutely LOVE the way you narrate and share the information! MVP 🎉

[@LukaD90]

Fantastic vid, oooh should deep dive into the charmed reboot too! Love that you really are sensitive yet thorough in providing context too. You're amazing!

[@beautifulmidnight]

I’d love more! Especially Supernatural. I feel like there was a lot going on there. I watched this whole thing doing needlepoint and it was exactly what I needed. MVP. Amazing video. Thank you for all your hard work, and thank you to all the amazing women who have spoken up. ❤

[@britnicox3929]

I want someone to genuinely attempt to explain to me why the statute of limitations is allowed for sexual abuse. Other heinous crimes don’t have the same limit. Victims deal with it for their entire lives and sometimes even move him over yet the perpetrators get a pass after a certain amount of time?? It’s disgusting

[@cleanslate9620]

Buffy and Charmed were two of my all time favorite shows growing up. My friends would sometimes watch 7th Heaven waiting for other shows to start and I was always adamant that Stephen Collins was a predator and creeped me out. When everything came out it was unbelievably validating that my radar had been working well, even when I was a young teen. It also ended up being wild to me how Nicholas Brendan turned out because he was consistently my least favorite character on Buffy. Looking forward to watching the rest of this one tonight!

[@dannysant]

Thank you so much for this video! I was such a big fan of Buffy! Being Brazilian, there were a lot of things I didn' t know that have happened to Nikki because it did not made the news back then. But your research, details and inside view were amazing! Not to mention all the tea about the other series as well! I enjoyed watching every minute of it. You just won a new subscriber and I adore you back! 😉

[@AnneM6901]

I’ve never seen any of these WB shows but I watched the whole thing and enjoyed all of it. I’ve watched all of your videos in full even though most of them are about shows or topics i know nothing about, because your delivery is so engaging. MVP! ❤

[@MrDoenyon]

Not sure if you knew already, but as it intersects with today's subject, I'd like to mention that Rosenbaum, the actor of Lex Luthor in the series Smallville, has a live podcast on youtube where he interviews a lot of those people you talked about. And they tell a lot about how it was back in those series. It's called "Inside of you", with Michael Rosenbaum.

[@iriswaldenburger2315]

That podcast is awesome and so is Rosenbaum

[@elizabethparker4511]

Yes. Love that podcast.

[@elisaphant981]

Oh wow I just ate this up. I love your conversational style, yet It never felt like you made light of anything. Would love a follow-up that includes other shows. You’re spoiling this MVP!

[@delyricoracle]

I’ve been in that cult following from day one. I used to watch Savannah and when Buffy premiered I watched the first episode on the first night and was hooked. I never missed an episode even after moving overseas and had the entire VHS of the whole series.

[@randomgeekcrap]

I can see why that creep wanted to Play a priest

[@ravenRedwake]

Creepy assholes and scammers have ruined the calling of being a pastor. They should be held to a higher standard, like politicians and police should also be held, and to the detriment of us all, aren’t.

[@nikkidimick947]

​@ravenRedwake the church has ALWAYS done that. Always. Look at the coverups the catholic church has done. This isn't a new thing.

[@busterchops]

Studies have found public school employees are 100x as likely to commit SA than priests. The reason the media placed so much emphasis on the priest scandal is due to the attack on Christian religions that has been ongoing now for decades, not because priests were disproportionally assaulting children.

[@ptolemeeselenion1542]

​​@@ravenRedwake They never ruined anything. You're the one who beheld innately corrupt instituations to an idealized higher standards that they have nor shall ever be. Creepy assholes and scammers always ran Christianity from its very inception. Politicians has always been schemy and duplicitous since Antiquity. Whom to the police, may I remind you that the first police in USA were founded by slave hunters and frontier mercenaries for hire???

[@dornravlin]

I think i feel especially bad for Charisma Carpenter on top of her experience on Buffy she and her friends were attacked by a rapist years before. She seems like a lovely lady with a cute smile

[@panagiotiszygouris]

Rest in peace Shannon 😢

[@polluxen8515]

Charmed missed a crackshot at not casting neve Campbell as the 3rd minor sister... She was somewhat perfect due to the Craft and looking so much like Holly at certain angles: ideal girl for it. Milano is rancid coffee grounds and it shows.

[@miskatonic6210]

I guess Neve Campbell wanted a real acting career not getting stuck with some teen trash.

[@littlecatfeet9064]

@@miskatonic6210Never watched it but, being so successful it could have been a great career move.

[@treehouse318]

i had NO IDEA Nicholas was an abuser. i'm heartbroken for the fans he lured into his awful mess. y'all are the best one woman, one cat duo i subscribe to, thank you for your work!🥰

[@KweenKara99]

I've met him 3 times at meet and greet parties. I'm friends with his former girlfriend. He brutalized her both physically and emotionally. He was raging drunk all 3 times.

[@az21bob666]

Yea he was raped when he was a kid. He talk about it.

[@brittanyh003]

Man... so many of these shows mean so much to me from growing up with them. I was right there with you being mortified at all the scandals that have been popping up from behind the scenes. Such a shame. It's interesting how meaningful the art can be even though the artists are so fallible. Thanks for spilling the tea with us!

[@ljlundwall1038]

I absolutely watch all of your videos from being to end. There is NO ONE like you that does the quality content and the deep and personal energy you put into all of your content. I thank you for your efforts in providing us with amazing and brave stories🙏 I am a huge fan 💞☺️

[@user-ro6vu8sf7w]

My Procrastinating Monkey found your channel by accident, I did enjoy this! Brought back a lot of nostalgia! Very well presented, which is why I have watched a few of your videos!