The Current State of Fighting Games

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[@dorjedriftwood2731]

Tekken 6 was the best Tekken anyone with nostalgia for Tekken 7 is a new player not legacy or simply don’t remember the absolute abuse that dlc characters inflicted. Tekken mechanics to me are basically torture for someone playing since 2 but if you think it was good fine. But you can’t say Namco didn’t outright abuse DLC. Multiple long term champs including knee said it was terrible. It was unplayable to me, it was literally unfun. But I won’t deny certain people legitimately liked it. 8 is better to me. But if you want to go back to 7 as a player I think you have ignore all of the terrible stuff Namco did and say yeah I want to deal with a Leroy tournament debacle all over again.

[@Konakonizumi]

why play constantly nerfed Millia when there is a biken? right?

[@oldfashionedbc]

im starting to think that determining the state of a game based off of posts from a social media site that thrives from toxicity/engagement bait is not the best way of doing things

[@zMaverickHunter22]

True but there are people like myself that fairly criticize SF6. Throw loops are clearly unhealthy for the game, so of course players are gonna complain.

[@janematthews9087]

Which is why I respect content creators who put their voice and their face online while saying these things. They're showing they whole ah online and aren't hiding behind usernames and pfp's So when you see them in offline meetups you can go up to their faces and confront them on this. O

[@chriswest6988]

Ok I'll stop...but we're cool to keep using it to evaluate current events, politics, and the economy right?

[@milton5417]

Nah. I get your point, but this is an oversimplification. A lot of us just want the game to be better. Particularly with SF6, it's also frustrating because there's no communication from the devs or publisher. I'd bet that if they were more transparent, you wouldn't have so many people complaining. They're just trying to be vocal in response to apparent indifference.

[@ChickVanCluck]

​@@zMaverickHunter22 Yes, obviously, what the game where parry is a mechanic needs is weaker offense, you should just be able to take the throw and 10% and get out of offense for free.

[@evilded2]

Dude fighting games are so great right now. You can actually play online, training modes are great, playing in big events is awesome, tons of new players. It's so hard to complain, we are doing well.

[@LILBOWT]

Facts 🔥

[@Hypanoz]

If you ignore twitter as well, its rather positive, 90% of people i've interacted with on tekken 8 has been nice, and games aren't perfect big whoop, its nice to talk and discuss and improve, and people are just enjoying these games

[@taham33]

Pro players actually share tips and strategies, the games themselves are mostly fair and balanced...

[@DuppyBoii187]

It's annoying because it's obviously the fgcs peak but the scrubby systems in sf6 and t8 are mad annoying still. It's a little bittersweet I guess.

[@soramercury7074]

@@DuppyBoii187 the systems are fine at the core, but the whole thing is "work in progress", like lk said. like sf6 and tekken 8 are overcentralizing that new stuff a little, but this is just a balance issue that can get fixed. people complained about super dash in dbfz and auto combos as well. but it ended up being great, adding even more depth to the game, while actually helping the balancing of the whole game. i personally stopped playing tekken 8 and focused on streetfighter 6 more, because... yeah not only because of those "scrubby systems", but more or less due to the overall feeling of everything together. so the work in progress state just threw me off and didn't let me enjoy or even figuring out the neutral in t8. for more or less the same reason i didn't play strive after like season 1. and i dropped dbfz, since it went party mode, lol. so i know what you mean, but we have to admit, that these newer games are overall really good. like for real, even if people say it's scrubby, there was also scrubby shit in older games. i mean, an arguement can be made, that most stuff was harder to do, since we got less input buffer if any. but idk if we need that back for even basic combos, movement, etc.

[@LegendaryMythril]

I cackled when the strive segment opened with a leffen tweet. You'd never catch a melee content creator taking a leffen rant at face value

[@aganaom1712]

Time is a flat circle Blame the beasts The future refuses to change

[@TheAmberFang]

Rebel One Fight!

[@evilded2]

Not reflecting on themselves lol

[@bigredradish]

fist or twist

[@mehoyminoy3377]

LIIIIIIFFFE IS AAAAA CIIIIRRRCLE!!!!!! (OH YAYAYA OH YAYA) CIRCLE!!!

[@vulcan422]

I'm here, I'm here On the border of the circle

[@gwen4557]

Remember old game good new game bad

[@2phonebabykeem913]

negativity spreads so much farther it’s hilarious, fgc is constantly dooming

[@leodiusd4858]

God forbid people enjoy older games more

[@darkmatter7713]

@@leodiusd4858more than welcome to enjoy to older games but the people that shit on the newer game is kind of loser behavior

[@uniquename6925]

​@@leodiusd4858you can enjoy older games without constantly bt-ing about newer games...

[@eebbaa5560]

@@uniquename6925 when did he do that?

[@GGenieFGC]

that reaction to the "big three" was so REAL and i feel that man gaddaymn

[@snizzle6174]

I joined the tekken series at tekken 8. I've been assuming all this dooming was the same old same old, but it hit me right in the face when I got a MainManSWE vid in my youtube recommended, which was essentially him talking about how messed up stuff in older tekkens was (tekken 6 I think). It didn't hit me till a ways in that this was a really old vid aimed at the discourse around tekken 7 because that shit was IDENTICAL. I laughed my ass off.

[@yeahey5947]

t7 community was actually kind've a huge party till like fahk and leroy came out and everyone started realizing the crazy things akuma could do, leroy was definitely the huge shift tho, game lowkey took on a clown image it never really shook and hes still an easy dominant monster that invalidates most other characters

[@arpadszabo661]

The online Tekken community always viciously despise their current game. Every fighting game community have this issue right now, but not even close to the constant crying that’s inside the Tekken community. Tag 2 literally almost killed the franchise because barely anyone bought that game and now its the second coming of jesus. Everyone hated how defensive Tekken 7 was, it was constant korean backdash memes. Now they hate that Tekken 8 is more offensive. Like, you just can’t win with that community. You can do the exact opposite of what they currently hate and they will suddenly start loving what they despised for years.

[@cadturt9295]

@@arpadszabo661 nah the other guy is right, pre busted dlc and people figuring out a 13f low launcher can TOD the tekken community was great. lasted for like 3 years or something.

[@arpadszabo661]

@@cadturt9295 3 years from arcade release, maybe, when the whining masses didn’t touch the game yet, but the console release was pretty much the same. It had around 1 okay year (which wasn’t hard when the only thing it had to compete against was sfv), before Noctis was announced and from that point you could copypaste arguments about Tekken 7 and Tekken 8, they would be pretty much the same.

[@alondjeckto]

​@arpadszabo661 problem with T7 is that it's actually KBD fest and that's the optimal gameplay, T8 over corrected and now it has less of TEKKEN and more of UNGA BUNGA.

[@tenebre5512]

This just in: players with skill sets that perfectly matched with the old game think the new game rewards the wrong skills.

[@imcel8953]

Everytime

[@vandagylon2885]

Being new isn't a skill

[@xav5787]

50/50 is not a skill brother

[@doctordice2doctordice210]

@@xav5787reducing the new games to 50/50, I see

[@EarthLordCJ]

@@vandagylon2885They weren’t saying it was…?

[@ott0ma71c]

As a guy who also tried City of the Wolves at EVO and very much enjoyed the game, your prediction about Just Defend sounds accurate. I'd like to add my own, people will eventually complain that guard cancel is too powerful regardless of their feelings on Just Defend, you can counter hit on guard cancel (last build I saw) so you should be able to wild punish on guard cancel, meaning big combos for big damage out of block.

[@nilyaj]

2:36 Mortal Kombat lookin like Drake post 2024

[@lagspike7763]

That shits such a red flag

[@garrison4191]

That's diabolical lmao

[@Roge9]

"The game is random" bruh... If people are consistent in even MARVEL VS CAPCOM 3 of all games... What is even the excuse for Street Fighter 6?

[@nobodywashere3123]

This might be a hot take: i think a lot of the hate on fighting games rn is cause ppl are used to modern live service games that pump out content and patches CONSTANTLY and most of these games aim to release seasonally. (If even that in sf6's case lol) Like i agree these games have issues, but all of them do, and its more a case of "what kinda bullshit you put up with for your personal enjoyment." And when the homeymoon phase of the shiny new toy ends, most ppl leave

[@nobodywashere3123]

And when I say all of these games have problems - I'm not just talking about fighting games, but all multiplayer competitive games.

[@DaviddeBergerac]

Games with mindsets of "fix anything anyone is annoyed with at all" kind of create a conflict with fighting games where the unintended nuances and quirks give it the depth the genre is known for

[@S4happycat]

2xko will be the great mainstream filter that determines the talk around the genre for the next decade also grats on 100k on your main channel.

[@barrybeakdriver]

The thing that pains me the most about this is that when top players complain, there WILL be low to mid level players who take their word as gospel instead of considering how different your relationship with the game is if you just play ranked all day as opposed to if youre an active tournament player who competes for real stakes

[@javongoshay]

Tricky Eileen is the VF Goat. She has incredible guides for everything from mindset for improvement to VF/Tekken guides

[@ghxst-note9808]

My favourite part is when people parrot opinions from influencers about games they don't even play themselves

[@ghxst-note9808]

Mf said MK is a part of the big 3, everything after that statement immediately became invalid because we *know* bro has no idea what he's even talking about.

[@Retro-Design-4033]

MK is a part of the big three is one of the most popular fighting game on the planet Earth goofballs like you need to shut your mouth

[@TheCarnivaI]

But it is part of the big 3. That’s like saying just because Naruto (Boruto) has been shit for the past couple years, doesn’t mean it isn’t part of the big 3 still.

[@V2ULTRAKill]

​@TheCarnivaI mk hasnt bern part of the big 3 since 11 It has been replaced by guilty gear This isnt "boruto sucks" this is if dbs had hit full swing while bleach was still running and completely usurped it in every way

[@smithclaxton3357]

Yeah you're right it should be big one because mortal kombat sold better than every other fighting game

[@mepp3566]

​@smithclaxton3357 The way i see it, the big 3 is about relevance within the community, not sales

[@Holesale00]

Saying MK is big 3..my soul left my body.

[@smoothsavage2870]

Hate it or love it, MK has been a part of the big 3 since the 90s. The only way that changes is if NRS stops making games or go out of business.

[@Carbinatedfartt]

@@smoothsavage2870 well they are on that road with MK1 💀

[@noodlesoup5995]

​@smoothsavage2870 in sales it is, not in support, competition, or global player base. It is mostly an NA game, and isnt supported much by the other large regions in the FGC. It always dominates in launch sales tho. Its core fan base is the casual audience, which isn't a bad thing at all.

[@smoothsavage2870]

@@noodlesoup5995 Every fighting game's core fanbase is the casual audience. None of the games would sell without them. There's a reason you get all these complaints about every major fighting game catering to the casual fanbase. It's mainly an NA game because it's got blood and gore, which caused it to be banned in countries where fighting games arent as niche competitively (ie Japan and places in the Middle East).

[@arpadszabo661]

⁠@@noodlesoup5995 i mean, not much point in saying that MK is not doing well globally and say that its the reason why you don’t think its part of the big 3. The vast majority of SF6’s playerbase is in japan. The vast majority of Tekken’s is in europe and us. Its not like these games do well in every part of the world. MK1 is huge flop, but the franchise is still the best selling fighting game franchise by a lot. MK games also got the same amount of support during their lifespan as every other fighting game, even if their lifespan was shorter than both SF and Tekken games. MK11 overall had more players than SFV and Tekken 7. The games before MK1 were doing fine in competitions as well. It was always part of the top 3 in registration numbers. So, regardless of how you feel about the game, unless they fumble the next game too, it is part of the big 3. Saying that suddenly guilty gear is top 3 would be hilarious.

[@King_of_the_sac]

How is UNI 2 not even part of the discussion :(

[@OfficialBluefire1325]

Everyone's always sleeping on French Bread games, and it breaks my heart

[@rasifurefodi8306]

That horrific pc port at launch did irreparable damage to uni 2 😢

[@third-ratedude4234]

Outside of the horrible PC launch, honestly there's nothing new to talk about UNI2. Its more Under Night, plain and simple.

[@quebithegod2908]

Became a discord fighter the same year it launched.Shit makes no noise and why would anyone play it as a main game if you aren't already a french bread player? The KOF XV players can move on to City and transfer popularity/hype. There is no rallying of a playerbase for UNI unless they add something wild like Goku or something.

[@larrywoolfolk8224]

As someone who got UNI2 at launch hoping it would finally break out of it shell, the broken launch did so much dmg to the game. I love French Bread, but them already being niche was an uphill battle in a sea when anime fighters are finally on the map and we have so many great options.

[@ashjudd]

"You gotta have your own fun" quote of this era.

[@2phonebabykeem913]

2:37 even as someone who’s dropped mk for years atp i have a hard time removing it from the big 3, it’s undoubtedly the strongest fighting game ip since 2011. I understand why people are switching it out for GG but I think it’s way too soon

[@theblueblaze1]

How is it too soon? MK1 fumbled despite great guest characters and making a new slate for the story. GGST has been going pretty strong for multiple seasons and once Lucy drops it'll probably get a huge boost. I know some ppl are dooming bc of season 4 but I've still seen more interest than for MK1(and 11 & X tbh). Also Arcsys made fighterz, that's a huge deal for a lot of fans that got into the fgc with that game Obviously everyone has their space online but I've seen more anticipation for an injustice 3 since MK1 than actual excitement for the game itself. Being the main western premiere fighting game helps but I don't think MK is long for this world if they keep fumbling the single player content and their only selling point is gore and 80's dad-core guest characters over and over

[@Jabroni_14]

I think it being the big four is long overdue, anime fighters deserved representation from both a gameplay and asthethic pov and guilty gear excels at both

[@fgc_rewind]

the problem is the modern "fgc" is really just a cultish group of people that pretend that their obscure competitive fighter has any sort of bearing in fighting game culture beyond EVO numbers. Tekken, SF and MK are light years ahead of most fighting games when it comes to player base, cultural impact, sales etc. "Big three" refers to the popularity and player base. GG is still a niche and I doubt it will change any time soon.

[@OgichiGame]

​@theblueblaze1 because the players just switched back to MK11 which still has more players than GG.

[@chriswest6988]

Make the FGC equivalent of the sandwich board scene in Die Hard 3. Start talking about the big three: Smash Bros, Mortal Kombat, and Dragonball Sparking Zero.

[@rocksteady_tv5065]

MK1 likely was rushed out by WB, evidenced by the obscenely incomplete launch. But NRS does themselves no favors in the crunch because each MK game is completely different from the last. One of the most questionable examples of this is the constant altering of inputs for the exact same move across games. On top of these things there’s convincing evidence pointing towards MK1 originally being Injustice 3, and NRS was forced to pull a development 180.

[@obiomaanokwuru3573]

There’s no evidence that mk1 was meant to be injustice 3

[@sirevat1158]

​​@@obiomaanokwuru3573 They literally have an Injustice style Clash after you pick your characters and are choosing a stage. They even shortened the dialogue sequence to be more like an Injustice clash dialogue. It's not a smoking gun, but you'd have be to blind to say "no evidence."

[@Raytheman581]

@@obiomaanokwuru3573 Yes it is, there was plenty of it listed in a thread on reddit when all of the characters were leaked.

[@IC2I]

​@Raytheman581 Actually someone who works for nrs has confirmed it was never supposed to be Injustice 3. It was in Mike Hollows latest stream

[@Raytheman581]

@@IC2I Oh really? my mistake then.

[@willthelemon5681]

There gets to be a point where no one wants to admit they are stuck. Why lab when you can complain instead?

[@NANIKANSEIDORIFTO]

old up, you're just casually using the Knuckles Pumpkin Hill rap beat in the background? That's a win on my books

[@SpiralInstallGGSF]

2:50 I dunno. As a fan of both, I can't disagree. Strive has Johnny, GL, Slayer, new Pot etc. The game is really fun but there's some characters with uninteractive offense structures that are REALLY strong. Again, I love Strive, and I even play it more than SF lately. The top tiers in SF are far more interactive than GC loops, just saying.

[@lagspike7763]

You should make a video where you just go full hater mode id love to see that

[@lagspike7763]

Like a full video about how teddie is the worst designed character ever

[@blastingpew]

25:25 yea i like ggst too cuz its a game where everyone can express them selfs and u can do whatever u want in it....🤣🤣🤣

[@as_v8]

Big kudos to you for not playing into the doomer commentary for views. Like you said, a game can be fun even with problems.

[@FlufnPanda]

Most people dooming about tekken are casuals who hit the ranked wall or chronic twitter users

[@DRAKE-mi9rc]

Imma be that guy but I really dislike the new heat system it disrupts the tempo in every round stupid ass cutscenes I have to watch running towards the character all goofy and scrubby comeback mechanic rage and rage art. I sense that a sizeable portion of the tekken community feels the same way so I hope vf 5 revo is gonna get a good playerbase to eventually hype up vf 6.

[@circa2008]

100% true, refer to the comment above for proof.

[@Vexinz]

We ignoring how a good chunk of the best players are also sour on tekken 8?

[@xav5787]

@@VexinzOfc they are

[@EarthLordCJ]

@@VexinzPeople are going to be sour on every new competitive fighting game for whatever reason. That’s their prerogative, it’s not wholly indicative of a ‘bad game’ if some pros don’t like it though.

[@RIPCrazyFrog]

Ok so the video doesn't say this but allegedly (there hasn't been an official statement from NRS or WB, only leaks) Mk1's season 3 dlc is cancelled because of poor sales of the season 2 dlc, which makes sense because the season 2 story dlc bundle cost $50 without being able to buy the characters separately outside of the in game store, which some people didn't know you can buy characters in the in game store.

[@ElaDkaz]

Hoping this video gets to more people, because this cycle of complaining and saying the same things as before just breeds more hate. I my first game is Strive, but it's the same complaints I heard before I even started playing. And as you said people will complain regardless

[@salihninja]

Yeah people saying stuff like ''we want older games back new ones suck'' then get your ancient crusty ass back to those games gramps no one is stopping u lol.

[@JohnnyEnsenga]

Exactly, but they continue playing and complaining the game isn't the way they want it like they're the majority and the devs will actually listen to them

[@maninredhelm]

That's a healthy attitude for the vast majority of normal players, but not really an option for people creating content for an audience that mostly wants to watch people who participate in major tournaments. They have to play the new game.

[@dukeofnylon]

@@maninredhelm if you need any game to hold an audience it's mean you lack a personality, it means you are boring. Be a better content creator.

[@marcusclark1339]

"no one stopping you" than ability to buy it at a reasonable price and enough people to make the online viable, in reality its not so easy and that's the point - forces people to consume the new one when that older playbase dies, especially if the better game was over a decade ago

[@doctordice2doctordice210]

@@marcusclark1339 nah most retro games are available on fight Cade, you’re just making excuses

[@Zenokids]

Even if it was brief, thanks for including PM into your video LK!! Never thought I'd see this now a days!

[@Ijustusethistocommentstuff]

19:03 Probably the true first hot take about COTW: I don't like they took away the lane-switching mechanic. That's part of what made the FF games super interesting to play. Ironically, I feel a modern FF reboot would probably play more like ASBR to be as faithful as possible, while modernizing the admittedly janky mechanics.

[@FireTrainer92]

It's a Garou game not a Fatal Fury game. They just didn't call it Garou

[@finallyanime]

heyyo! thanks for the response on the #StriveCommunityPatch...halfway done! i understand it can feel odd, but seeing how the changes thus far have been arbitrary from strive devs...i think most people know what they want the game to 'feel' like. People love xrd & +r because characters had defined strengths and weaknesses as well as giving characters more stuff to play with as much as chipp tightrope for characters who havent gotten much love. At the very least, a proof of concept & at most, the new defacto way to play. i hope you wanna play it as well if it gets big! p.s. 2xko isnt gonna save the fgc...until it has more amazing moments. it's boring to watch rn. strive at least has dynamic things happening despite defense not being as exciting as xrd.

[@steffanhymer1285]

Im glad you want to do another year of Strive. I love Strive myeelf and its sad to see how its dropping off because of people dissatisfied with the balance and the good netcode being betrayed by the shit tower system. The best patxh update Arcsys could ever do for Strive is give it good traditional matchmaking.

[@guutenks2498]

bro at this point thats just a toxic relationship at this point imo. Every year im like yo this game has so much potential and arcsys always does some shit where im like bro????

[@ka1nzero0o86]

It'd be funny if they just said "fuck it" and just put +r lobbies in it

[@makkapetanovic6838]

How the matchmaking works is literally like the one thing stopping me from playing it more. It just feels so bad and unfun if I just want to play the game with random other people.

[@martingutierrez2665]

I kind of hate the idea of current games always being a work in progress, cause if that’s the case, once the last patch drops, you get what, maybe a year of playing a “finished” game? A lot of people end up dropping the game in that time and wait for the next game to come out. Despite people claiming SFV is better than 6, the current 30 day average player base is still like 1% of 6’s. I feel like the game in progress vs finished final version would make more sense if more people were playing the older game instead of the newer one

[@pian-0g445]

Except, it’s not too different from the past. When they would rerelease an updated version of the game m, with new characters and new changes etc etc. The only difference now (and the only real problem I have) is that you can’t easily access those older versions anymore. This also relates to the DLC problem people have, which I do not (mostly). Yes, a season pass cost anywhere from 20 to 30 to get new characters and maps, but that is way better than in the past where you had to buy a whole new game to access the new stuff and patches and characters, making your older copy ‘obsolete’. I’m fairly tight with how much I spend on games, so the fact my copy of guilty gear strive is still playable with everyone else on the current patch is great. And it’s not even like I have a need to play the new characters since my mains are in the base roster. (And while this is a very unique situation, you see how this old format has negatives as seen with UMVC3 which came out under a year of the original’s release).

[@beam5655]

Yeah it's a pretty silly system. SFV got like a year or two of competitive play when it was at its peak. All that work building up to it, from a deeply flawed game to a pretty great one, and yet hardly any time was spent when it was actually great. I wish there'd come along a fighting game like Dota or LoL that would have staying power in terms of playerbase and competitive play, while maintaining dev support. Melee is really the only one that did that (minus the support), in terms of traditional fighters I guess 3s is the closest, but the competitive scene is tiny compared to SF6 (or even melee for that matter).

[@1finxxo]

Tv Fgc the homie love his content

[@bonechomp]

7:23 I kinda had it going for a few months while my locs were short back in 2016 - 2017. I'd assume its pretty high maintenance to keep it twisted at that perfect length having too cut it every so often but I wouldn't know since ive let my locs grow for ~8 years now

[@yellow4525]

I think street fighters design incentivizes "randomness", like the game isn't random per say, but it is designed in such a way to make you guess as much as possible, and I'm not sure that part is debatable. The main issue is people feel obligated to play the latest game of the series instead of the game they harmonize with the design of

[@roncrudup2110]

Everyone has a choice. They made a decision to be competitive or a content creator. Most casual play whatever they want. As more people treat gaming like a job, the more people will complain. I am a casual and I take breaks from SF 6 when needed because I don’t make money from it.

[@gochuckyourself1892]

Poker is random, is there no skill involved there?

[@beam5655]

​@@gochuckyourself1892That's not the point. Of course there is skill in SF6, but the scales have been tipped to make the game more volatile. I'd say the main reason for that is that it is easy to convert into very high damage combos, easy to force strike/throw mix, throw loops, and perfect parry.

[@mfbandit7930]

the truth is fighting games in general, new and old, are shit. But we love them being shit anyways.

[@TediousNomenclature]

I’d like to see LordKnight try out Virtua Fighter. Or look at the Chad The Third video about what Tekken players can learn from Virtua Fighter

[@mario08133]

Harada said people can play the old games if they are not happy with Tekken 8.

[@dukeofnylon]

I mean you can only go back as far as T7 for PC and would have to have the old systems to play anything else. Unlike Capcom , Bandai hasn't preserve the Tekken series that well.

[@cadturt9295]

@@dukeofnylon what do you mean only 6? 6 isnt on steam so youd have to emulate it right? just like everything below tekken 7?

[@dukeofnylon]

@@cadturt9295 oh you are right 6 is not on Steam, my bad.

[@kirbdog315]

21:41 This pause is why I love watching LK

[@Bylethsummoner3]

I cant with people and 2XKO. People keep sucking it up calling it great but when I played it I felt unfulfilled. We dont need 2XKO, we need content per game not 1 game

[@mohastgridlock]

Merfight is doing well, as is MK1 if you don't listen to randos

[@rasifurefodi8306]

COTW and VF6 will save the fgc actually this time guys fr fr

[@lunchables5094]

LMAO I did NOT expect to see myself in an LK video, wtf Shoutouts to PM

[@АртёмТор-к2ю]

15:36 guest charechter are only cool after you add all fan favorites(Jam)

[@mategido]

I gotta say, I HATED FGS until 2 months ago, idk what happened but a switch turned on my brain. Been playing strive since and having a blast lol

[@Winnarly]

To your point about games' alphas not generating nearly as much hype as the actual launch - just look at Marvel Rivals. It had several semi-closed or fully closed betas. There was some attention around the game, but it wasn't until the game launched and everyone could play that it BLEW TF UP. I got in one of the early betas and kept telling my Overwatch friends that Rivals was amazing. They kept telling me it looked bland and like a rip-off. Lo and behold, the game comes out and instantly they change their tune. Watching a game and playing a game are extremely different experiences.

[@themuggle7071]

2:57 Pretty sure Menard was talking about the pro tour formula rather than the game itself

[@ekwensu8797]

He said that about the game too, at multiple times

[@beam5655]

He criticized both, but that quote was about the game itself

[@Hawko1313]

@@beam5655 crazy how he says that but all those Capcom pro tour slots are going to the same players. You look at the world warrior standings and it’s the same players performing. Did he give a statement on which game isn’t random?

[@simons9264]

time is a flat circle

[@DaviddeBergerac]

It's funny to see all these games be complained about to death because by all accounts we are eating good at the moment. Remember your roots, FGC. Also every game has people complaining about it. A game isn't bad just because it has issues. That's the nature of art.

[@DaviddeBergerac]

Also, Chipp has never done less damage and it's hilarious. Still maining him. He has a funnee rope now

[@darkdendan]

well MK is definitely in the big 3 in the West

[@benisign]

Definitely not bro no one under 28 cares about mk

[@darkdendan]

@ I don’t and never cared about MK. But if you ask a random person on the street about what fighting games they know then MK will definitely be one of the most known. FGC is a very small portion of people who play fighting games.

[@Hawko1313]

@@benisign FGC echo chamber rhetoric. Sales don’t lie. Game is really popular among casuals. It’s just banned in Asia and Middle East

[@IC2I]

​@@benisignI'm not even close to that age...

[@Blustride]

24:45 Did you know that the critically acclaimed MMORPG Final Fantasy XIV has a free trial, and includes the entirety of A Realm Reborn AND the award-winning Heavensward and Stormblood expansions up to level 70 with no restrictions on playtime? Sign up, and enjoy Eorzea today!

[@reggislowgas993]

Seeing this message spammed everywhere a few years ago made me vow to never play ff14

[@YamashitaTsubasa]

​@@reggislowgas993based, it's just another fucking mmo

[@Твибстед]

This might also be new gamers in general and what they might/might not expect out of a game (with software limitations, bugs, etc).

[@RhythmViolence2]

7:20 the black leffen cut lol.

[@0ZeroreZ0]

I'll defend current patch dbfz with my life, best patch in the game's history

[@kurtblacklake]

I'm waiting to 2XKO to come out stans get the 5-way mixup they deserve 🙏

[@Saiche1337]

As long as you can lose people will complain, doesn't matter the game or the genre

[@Le_Dom]

I cringed at the exact same frame as LK when he referred to MK as part of the big 3

[@Tillymander]

The 2xko alpha was actually pretty big, all the console keys were gone on day 1 and they DIDN'T release more waves for those, just the PC realm.

[@tropicalhokage6382]

@6:44 ninjakilla

[@evilded2]

23:27 SF4 was marketed as a game that was a return to the more classic roots of sf2, pick up and play. SFV was explicitly designed to be beginner friendly. Nobody makes a game and then says that it's only gonna be for hardcore players, that's not how you get an audience.

[@jondough3339]

I disagree. What proof is there that only catering to beginners is how you get an audience? I know for a fact that that route is NOT how you maintain an audience.

[@dukeofnylon]

SFV came out the way it did because people complained 4 was slow and a turtle fest.

[@salinalunara]

wb in its current state is going to turn basically everything it touches to ash, so anything mk is experiencing can probably be traced back to the company's leadership. that being said, your take is the correct one. if you like the game you play it. that's all there is to it.

[@DudesPlayingVidGames]

the only mistake modern fighting games make...is removing the need to build meter. Most of the problems people coming about would be solved if they removed the round start 100% percent rechargeable meter....Looking at you MK11 for creating this bs.

[@ninjagodryu9470]

LK one of the few fgc content creators i can watch bc he keep it real

[@imcel8953]

Online will always be more negative than reality. Peope are playing the games and enjoying it. And also making suggestions about how to improve said game/games while enjoying. Wild concept

[@frogfood1675]

i remember when everyone was saying how trash SF5 was for like the first year or so, because of, among many things, the 6 frames of added input lag

[@cadturt9295]

talking about the not booting up, I uninstalled strive and got tekken 8. never looking back!

[@tarcher991]

I miss blaze blue anyway have a nice day

[@brandknewu]

Why would anyone invest in a game, knowing much of what you learned will be rendered moot in another 2 months? DLC, when it was just cosmetics like outfits and remixed soundtracks, was fine. Altering the entire gameplay, character movesets, etc. turns a lot of ppl off from really playing the game. Only sweats will follow seasonal updates. Casuals will just get bodied, then move onto Madden, Marvel Rivals, etc. (More casual-friendly games, free to play, etc).

[@Hawko1313]

Marvel rivals and hero shooters update more often than fighting games.

[@bigredradish]

more like Analyzing the Current Tweets of the FGC 2024

[@ATLZombie]

You know who is eating good? The people I play online and me. All the games I play, I get into matches instantly. netcode is pretty perfect. I still hate strives lobby systems, but whatever. I also suggest everyone in the FGC to treat all social media sites as a source of free entertainment. All everyone every does is cry. Except LK a true beacon of the community.

[@Gadlight]

so much truth in this video, im so soooooo tired of the doomposing of Rising when the game is just 1 year old, they yap the same things over and over, and they dont even give the game a chance ffs

[@Rhannmah]

The "randomness" in winners at the highest level is a consequence of reducing the skill gap. If the games are easy to master, everyone's roughly the same level since most top players have hit the ceiling. Then it makes sense that anyone could win.

[@n00blord14]

Me getting Sonic 06 ptsd with this song

[@DaviddeBergerac]

Also it needs to be said again and again but popular or individual opinions about a game should not affect your own enjoyment of the game in such a meaningful way that you drop it in fear of POTENTIALLY not having fun. People use terms like "broken" way too liberally without having any of the media literacy to explain what is broken vs what the developer intention was for a certain gameplay aspect. People call heat broken but it seems like it's working completely as intended. If you don't like how it works, you're allowed to dislike it. But you also have the choice to go play another game instead of forcing yourself to play a game you aren't enjoying. There is a mountain of fighting games to play and nearly every one has a community to play games with. Under Night 2 is right over there. Tired of this forced attitude people have trying to seem "above" the games they play. I don't even see the point. Y'all gonna be known as the dude that hates everything he interacts with? Sounds pretty miserable. Edit: making sure that lordknight knows I'm not talking about him, here.

[@esteband.gatica3737]

Play what you like, one day planets will aline and you'll be reciving Rollback for KOF XIII and life is good again.

[@garretwoeller7669]

I mean the way I look at these games are going through growing pains the problem is that the rosters are really inadequate turn off all people's interests cuz clearly that's what's happening something with these games are not holding people's interest maybe it's too simplified maybe the roster sucks who knows

[@Hunt9-qb1if]

Sf6 is 🐐

[@BigBoy-lj9sh]

Mortal Kombat 1 in big 2025 😭✌️

[@mcbill7352]

time to go back to mk11

[@fgcbird]

Mvcib is crazy. This is different. It’s even better than project m imo. But I didn’t play project m as a disappointed brawl fan. But mvci is not like other mods. It just functions like an alternate universe mvci that was done better

[@darkmensag]

Fighting games for me are the best they been since the arcade times I can play with a lot of people on any of the games with rollback or at least with my friends Too much doom and gloom from Twitter and people eat that like the Truth instead of playing the game like everyone else

[@FloydianHate]

*looking at a game where all inputs have known outcomes, generated exclusively by human players*: This is random, to me.

[@TheRealAbridgedHero]

People just want a reason to complain. If you dont like the game, dont play it right? The point of playing a video game is to have fun. I’m just glad netcode is getting better! 😂😂😂

[@DuppyBoii187]

It's the opposite fighting games are sick right now so you wanna play a lot, but there's a few really annoying aspects you run into over and over

[@JustCagna]

Saying VF is gonna overtake Tekken is the strongest copium of all. No one cared for VF5 in the world.

[@majorfearr]

basically, basically. Basically sums it up

[@evilninjoe]

Just DM me what you wanna say to Koustics and Ill yell it at him in person 😂😂😂

[@wavekidfgc8737]

had same stroke as you when he called mk big3

[@Nimrod336]

I been playing tekken over 20 yrs.. its not that bad unless you fight a high level yoshi just because of the unblockable and how much they like to troll..and yes i enjoy t8. And yes my lee has legacy skills. 99% of the players who are complaining dont even feel the changes because they mash and never punish..

[@ItzTally]

we ball

[@V2ULTRAKill]

All this fgc drama bs And uni players off in the distance just like "the fuck they doin over there" while bigblack takes more top8s with his byakuya

[@bmx9757]

What im hearing here is every fighter game sucks and we should all queue marvel rivals solo queue ranked for a better experience

[@taham33]

Im fine with GG being out of the "big three" considering the amount of dumb idiots in the "big three" communities

[@NTSTS0]

Guilty Gear STRAHV

[@larrywoolfolk8224]

Aint no way he said MK is in the big 3 when that game is SUFFERING, and that's not even talking about the comp circuit. Even from a consumer pov MK is so baaaaaaaaaad