Looking at the Fighting Game Family Tree

Watching the new ‪@CoreAGaming‬ vid: • Every Fighting Game Ty...
streamed Sep. 30, 2024
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[@WhyYouWahYoo]

Core A is just beyond impressive. Bro made a textbook-sized explanation of fighting game mechanics disguised as an iceberg video, and I watched every second with a smile

[@SeelkadoomandJokic00]

I wish the video mentioned The Outfoxies, which invented the Platform Fighter Genre since they were mentioning all the games that invented subgeneres.

[@Klemkee]

I'm just happy For Honor got mentioned. It's a very non-standard fighting game but it's been getting steady support since 2017 with a playerbase larger than alot of traditional fighting games and I never hear anyone in the FGC talk about it, ever

[@eebbaa5560]

i never really got into it on a competitive level, but i always had a lot of fun 1v1'ing my friend in that game. i wonder if it's worth playing these days. i don't have a controller though

[@snowconesyrup2698]

​@eebbaa5560 it's still pretty enjoyable

[@kerbonaut2059]

That's because everyone I've heard who's played For Honor before playing an actual FG hates it.

[@Klemkee]

@@eebbaa5560 IMO it's in a pretty good state, much better than it was when I fell off originally, when they released Centurion. It's less turtle-y, attacks are generally faster and there's more unblockables and mixups. They're still popping out new characters to this day, and there's two new factions compared to launch. There's top-tier characters but there's not one character that runs the game except for the ones I really hate

[@TheDeadTexan]

I think I remember Max saying something very significant about it

[@Cislunar13]

Sure, I'll watch it a third time. Thank you very much.

[@eebbaa5560]

deadlock is a fighting game because of the parry mechanic (real)

[@truthsinger7413]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2106">35:06</a> 🤓☝️rivals of aether 2 releases this month on the 25th with a free demo of basically the full game from the 14th to the 21st (I’m sorry for shilling i just want the game to do well)

[@JesusRodriguez-zv4pk]

Super excited for rivals 2!

[@sozestone6469]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="722">12:02</a> as one of those ancient fossils I can confirm, SF2 cabs were the hot shit, but Neo-Geo cabs were every fucking where, Laundromats, Pizza Huts, Movie Theater lobbies.

[@BradPrichard]

Mike Ross was going nuts claiming that the dictionary doesn't have crossups. It's like he hasn't seen what a frankenstein's monster the English language is.

[@VVheeli]

The first crossup you can have is American vs. British Dictionaries. The second is when English borrows words. Make a kid spell “Colourful Colonel” and watch them crumble.

[@BradPrichard]

@@VVheeli Let's make some American kids spell Worcestershire when confronted with the correct British pronunciation. I don't mind seeing kids cry.

[@LadyViolet1]

Another thing to think about on the idea of first person fighting games is VR. Rumble VR for example has you fighting each other in first person with tons of well what they call "combos" but effectively it doesn't seem the same as traditional combos from most fighting games. Their combos seem to be how they combine multiple actions to make another thing happen, so a new move effectively. Ngl I don't know too much about Rumble VR since I haven't had the chance to play it, so any players of the game feel free to correct me. Honestly VR feels like the coolest way to make a fighting game first person

[@bw4708]

I was thinking of rewatching the Core-A vid as I ate tonight and now I’m thankful to have a real excuse 😂

[@1000Tomatoes]

With the way I write in twitch chat you'd think there were cross-ups in spelling.

[@ChorizoPringoso]

To me all fighting games belong in two cathegories, one defined by gameplay/graphics (2D, 3D, Arena, Platform) and the other defined by theme (martial arts, anime, horror, sci fi, sports...)

[@fluffybug229]

One of my favorite hybrid fighting games is definitely Duelists of Eden. It's basically mega man battle network style fighting game.

[@emmett_m]

I was really hoping Gerald was going to talk about RUMBLE which is a first person, VR rock bending, fighting game. It has a lot of the genre conventions and invents so many innovative mechanics unique to its view and control scheme. You should take a look at it if you get the chance, it’s really cool to see high level play once you understand what’s going on!

[@Vsolid]

I’ve always considered games like chivalry, mordhau, and Mount & Blade “swordplay games”. Not a fighting game genre but it sure is close in practice. If you can put puyo puyo Tetris on there, you can put Chiv on there. Not that it should be.

[@jasonwhigham335]

A pac man game where you can jump over the ghosts already exists, and it's called pac mania

[@Mr.Faust3]

Core A gaming really made a whole section about HC huh

[@me27687]

Babe, wake up, new core a-gaming video just dropped.

[@eebbaa5560]

Sajam's Talk Show: the Movie

[@richardjohnson8991]

Ehrgheiz, the game with the best worst menu sounds ever

[@mrbdp932]

Guess i gotta go see Circe the soleil, thanks for the recommendation Sajam.

[@Liliphant_]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="969">16:09</a> you can actually air block Ferry's far M and H now 😭

[@heardofrvb]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="246">4:06</a> That's why Pac-Mania exists.

[@magusomnius3201]

Lets Rock!

[@BurnoutFighter]

Thanks Sajam!

[@merlinthetuna]

Can confirm, cirque du soleil is cool

[@Dracobyte]

Core A gaming is one of the best Fighting game content creators!

[@Leahcimmichael]

I checked for Injustice Scorpion under my bed

[@heardofrvb]

Also, didn't Marvel vs. Street Fighter introduce Assists?

[@andylawlzz]

anyone who thinks riot is gonna dump huge prize pools into 2xko should just look at the history of legends of rune terra esports. it could get to league/valo levels if the game itself reaches league/valo popularity, but that seems rather doubtful

[@PepsiMan666]

I hope he got payed by Riot for the 2XKO ad.

[@neotron6490]

If every games are "video game title here"-like genre, none of em were

[@gingeral253]

FOR HONOR FRUIT!

[@semantik95]

No but for real go see cirque du soleil though

[@Micha-Hil]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="401">6:41</a> honestly? same

[@Firjiwater]

Would have preferred a look at the non-AI version

[@bekomon]

Ah yes Core A releasing another Discourse warping video. Boy, I wonder how people will twist their words to fit a narrative this time. Great video tho, talks about pretty much "subgenres" of fighting games, a topic people don't discuss about enough imo.

[@Adderflail]

Why karate champ have the podracer controls <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="160">2:40</a>

[@Bas1i0n]

Hearing sajam say unreal tournament was a cultural flashbang that I was NOT ready for

[@CanalBillCast]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1083">18:03</a> That's why I think "airdasher" is a better term, because why "anime", that pretty much means "japanese cartoon", have to do with gameplay? Like, no one in Bocchi The Rock (an anime) can airdash. 😅 Edit: also, people tend to forget that western superheroes can do lots of crazy stuff as well. X-Men Children of the Atom, Marvel Super Heroes and and the Versus Series exists.

[@sebasoler5347]

i agree with your point but Bocchi probably could airdash if it meant escaping an awkward social interaction

[@CanalBillCast]

@@sebasoler5347 ok, good one. lol

[@emperormegaman3856]

Yeah, I think people use Anime because a lot of the games that used this gameplay style when it blew up had a anime aesthetic, but that can create lot of confusion. Heck if you talk to someone who isn't in the FGC the first thing they'd think of when hearing "Anime" is probably Arena fighters.

[@CanalBillCast]

@@emperormegaman3856 yup, agreed. Also even the aesthetics in the anime/manga medium can be diverse. Dragon Ball and One Piece, for example, have pretty unique art styles. Even other more safe and familiar anime art styles can show some unique traits too, like the Persona series and Type-Moon franchises like Fate Series and Tsukihime (Melty Blood), to name a few.

[@gingeysnap2090]

Hate the AI in the first 30 seconds

[@ThatOneSomethingg]

Yeah, I do too, but Core-A did own up to it, talking about on twitter. He made a new non-AI video linked in the description of the original, and plans to not use AI for any videos moving forward. Sajam mentions the post at 1:27

[@somedude15231]

@@ThatOneSomethingg Wow that is an insanely great response from him. He messed up, owned up to it, promised to not do it again. Textbook

[@666slateran666]

Who cares?

[@richman6974]

​@@ThatOneSomethinggMy only gripe about his responses is that the video with no AI is not public, you *need* to check the description for it, it's not viewable from the uploaded videos tab. I'm happy that Gerald addressed the situation, but this kinda soured it for me, I'm not gonna ask that he deleted the original, but the new one should be public like how the "safe" version of Why button mashing doesn't work? Still appears on recommended and stuff.

[@surrendering2within]

​@@richman6974 you sound like he works for you or some shit. Get off his d_ck & get on your own. There's so much creative editing in this HOUR LONG VIDEO. these nerds is fake cops. ACAB

[@d3lta_p]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2342">39:02</a> +2

[@TheDeadTexan]

It’s a bit of a stretch to say you don’t care about 2XKO when There’s 20 videos dedicated to it uploaded within the last month and a half. Valorant fighting game when

[@snowconesyrup2698]

While I'm glad core a apologized and promised not to use ai in the future, it is still incredibly frustrating that the ai free version is unlisted, hidden away in the description

[@willthelemon5681]

Sorry Sajam Tekken Tag 3 can't happen because Tag 2 did so poorly. Plus considering how crazy Tekken 8 is with Unreal 5 and dev costs ain't no way we are getting a tag game unless its a niche slapdash sidemode.

[@zachstarattack7320]

what about the father of the puppet character family tree (zato-1) being bottom 1or2 for 400 days and counting

[@ScaredEz]

It’s sad that he’s bottom 1, but do you Zato mains need to bring it up every 5 seconds lol?

[@evilded2]

You don't know about Alessi?

[@1000Tomatoes]

Gotta watch the Mr Mixtape video on the first puppet character. It isn't Zato.

[@Sasupoika2]

​@@evilded2I think you mean Devo?

[@Grande_Vtr]

Sounds like a skill issue

[@MD-se8ft]

Platform games are fighting games, but The non traditional subgenre shouldn't have games like puyo puyo And others. Can they be played competitively? Yes. Are they Fighting games? No,might as well call cod a fighting game since players fight each others with guns.

[@eebbaa5560]

deadlock is a fighting game because of the parry mechanic (real)

[@OnlyEggUploads]

lame use of ai tbh

[@eduardoserpa1682]

There was some erasure of innovative, old titles, but it's still an insane project to take on, so I'm glad Gerald did it, and did it really well, as usual. Fighting games are great, and this is a cool new era for us.

[@chev5451]

ai sucks, what if u linked to the ai free version

[@punkypony5165]

Platform fighters are fighting games. Straight up. Also AI is lame.

[@kinghijinx5892]

Stop supporting ai tech bros and art thieves.

[@DaquariousGooch]

first edit: second

[@Arassar]

People getting butthurt about the mere existence of AI images is dumb. If you're going to be mad, at least have a REASON.

[@NemSumeragi]

There *are* reasons. You're just ignorant 🤷‍♂️

[@snowconesyrup2698]

There is a mountain of valid reasons to be upset about the usage of AI

[@666slateran666]

​@@snowconesyrup2698not realy outside of fear mongering

[@chrisludwig4729]

Core A Gaming makes no pretense of being an art creator. I cannot imagine being so whiny and entitled that I get upset when people use freely available tech that I don't approve of.

[@kinghijinx5892]

Because AI is art theft used by people with no actual skills of their own. You are literally trying to steal jobs from artists.

[@DANCERcow]

The Smash bros series isn't a fighting game! Because if it was, then it would have been referred as such from the start. Not by melee or brawl because gamers optimized the game and formed competitive tournament communities around it!

[@esthersmith3056]

people literally always called smash a fighting game. it wasnt until the melee community blew up that the "not a fighting game" meme started.

[@emperormegaman3856]

It has been referred to as a fighting game *before* the start. The whole concept behind the serie was that Sakurai wanted to make a more accessible Fighting Game. That would be a bad argument even if it only started being called a FG after Melee (it's entirely possible for a serie to slide into genre after several entries), but it's not even the case.

[@hypedrifter1715]

Nice bait