The Curse of Targaryen Madness Is Not What You Think! | Game of Thrones

[@jay_ooh]

I think mentioning that Aegon III witnessing his mother being killed by a dragon was really more of the antagonizing factor of why he really hated the dragons more specifically.

[@breezy6859]

The Targaryen women were used as incubators. None of them had a happy ending. So many died due to complications to child birth and were sentenced to a life of cruelty. Dany didn’t go into madness. She was sold to savages because her brother wanted a crown and an army, she was held hostage and she only “khal drogo because she didn’t have a choice, she sacrificed her baby to save him and it didn’t work. So she took his dead body to a flame with her dragon eggs and when the fire died down she rose out of the ashes with 3 hatched dragon eggs. She freed slaves, and garnered love and respect. She went back to Westeros and was used by the North only to be taken advantage of and lost two dragons. I’m going by the show because let’s not forget D&D destruction of her character arc because they couldn’t think of source material unless it involved her going “Mad.”

[@corneliahanimann2173]

I don't think Dany going mad was D&D's invention, I think there was enough there for the story to naturally take that turn. I imagine her madness comes creeps up on her in similar ways as Rhynaera's madness comes to her. She only loses a kid and a throne. Dany lost two dragons and was i. The process to lose her throne to Jon Snow because he's a man. If GRRM had written that development it would make sense, but the way it happened, it seems like D&D didn't understand what the point really was.

[@breezy6859]

@@corneliahanimann2173 Jon’s character was useless in the show. The North blindly followed a bastard and then let Sansa rule. The North disrespected Dany after she used her Dothraki in the Long Night then claimed Jon the hero when he barely did anything. He rode on Dany dragon and he barely made a dent. Dany got thrown off and put a sword in her hand. During the early seasons she didn’t show any signs of madness. Not to mention half of the dumbasses that love Jon claim “Song Of Ice And Fire” is about The Starks and Dany. It was about Dany and the Knight King. GRRM made that clear. D&D are overpaid pampered Jews who couldn’t write a script. So in season 8 they stripped away everything from the main character and decided to make her go “crazy.” Her first mistake was going to musty ass North and helping those scum bags. I would have flown over the North with the wild fire and taken care of the situations. Bada Bing Bada Boom. Kit is such a dud he couldn’t get work after the show ended. Him and his character are cunts.

[@Dev.85]

The "Madness" took her well into Season 3. There was never going to be a happy ending for her.

[@m.williams4971]

Women in general were considered 'incubators' in many families in this fictional time. Only difference is they died rearing another family's child. Also, not sure why comment about Targaryen women here, since males were just a likely to go 'mad' in this family.

[@Rhaenarys]

She only lost one dragon in the north, and if she didnt go there, she wouldnt have had a country to rule.

[@user-wt9no4zu9q]

If the Night King possess similar abilities to the Three-eyed Raven, then might it be possible that he was responsible for using it to drive the Targaryen Kings mad by whispering into their minds?

[@Stranger69in]

The night king is bran

[@pplr1]

Good question.

[@pplr1]

@@Stranger69in I wouldn't go that far. However the mess that is season 8 did provide evidence for "evil Bran theory". That said D and D are so inept that they may not have realized they were providing that evidence as they did.

[@countessnicoleb5060]

Chasing prophesies could absolutely drive one mad. However, if there is also underlying mental illness of sorts the madness may be amplified. I think the blood magic is tied into all of it as well.

[@w00t777]

i think the generations of inbreeding didn't help too 😂

[@kerrirae]

​​@@w00t777 Well their bloodline is magical. Inbreeding seemed to work better for them, the stillbirths and problems came after mixing with non magical bloodlines.

[@bricolleen7956]

The obsession with the prophesy combined with extensive inbreeding is what made the targaryen dynasty have madness run constantly. Only the heirs to the throne were told of the prophesy and so all of the burden of it was put on them and the combination of mental instability from inbreeding and carrying a burden literally the whole world of mankind would drive anyone to insanity.

[@svverte5578]

Constantly?? XD There are, like 6 mad Targaryens, and 3 of them went mad because of what happened to them (Helaena (and it's questionable), Aerys (went mad after his imprisonment), Viserys (we only can believe Daenerys + it's not a surprise, when you're 8 years old, your whole family is dead, your kingdom and title taken away from you, you've to take care of you sister, Usurper is hunting you, you've to sell everything and everyone are lauging at you for struggling). Also - if genetic really worked like in our world, then the whole Valyria and all dragonlords would be mad - and their empire lasted for thousands of years. There's a theory that first dragonlords used blood magic and modified their genes, so they could control dragons (and there are other legends that included people changing their DNA etc.). So in this case, inbreeding and marriages between sibilings would be actually preferable, to keep bloodline pure and to not "sully" it. If blood is pure, then so is the magic running in it - if blood is polluted, then so is the magic - and there's a bigger risk that a dragon won't listen to rider who doesn't posess this pure "dragon" blood (and this is important, because there's a factor that allowed those 40 families to bond with dragons, while others, like Celtigars and Velaryons never had dragons, despite being from Old Valyria). Also - all "mad" Targaryens (if we not include Helaena, since her being included in that list was always disputed) were born after dragons died. Also - majority of them didn't know about prophecy. In HotD (and we don't know if it's true in books or if it's something we see only in the show) we're told that only the heir knows about it - so naturally, other members are clueless. And there's a huge possibility that the knowledge died with Rhaenyra and was rediscovered by Rhaegar when he was young. The "half Targaryens were mad" is only in the show, because D&D never cared about source material and knew little to nothing about the history of House Targaryen.

[@samuelpain4746]

There like less than 5 mad targaryen and half of them are not the product of inbreeding the other half got mad due to a traumatic experience. The first mad targaryen is baelor I the blessed and he wasnt actually mad just a religious fanatic, the next ones would be rhaegel son of daeron II and myriah martell and his nephew aerion brightflame son of maekar I and dyanna dayne which were not born of incest , the other 2 would be aerys I the mad king who got kidnapped and tortured which left him in extreme paranoia and his son viserys III the beggar king who got chased his whole life and survived multiple assassination attempts then mix this with grief and all ( I don't consider viserys to be mad just a bitter traumatised man with no kindness left in him )

[@bricolleen7956]

@@samuelpain4746 oh he was nuttier than squirrel shit.

[@audrey9108]

​@@svverte5578I don't think neither Helaena and Rhaegar were mad. Heleana was also suspected to be autistic but I don't know a lot about autism so. And Rhaegar was obsessed with the prophecy sure but by knowing in the show his son is Jon Snow, maybe he was a dreamer too and knew what will happen to his family but did what he did for the good of the Realms. It's a theory.

[@KillEmEarl]

​@@svverte5578Maegor the Cruel was mad and around when dragons were still alive in Westeros.

[@meenachadha3766]

My only note towards the theory is that Danny, based on the books, sacrificed herself and eggs to fire was more because of grief and her love towards Karl drogon. It was because she sacrificed herself in love for him she was able survive and have dragons. Her intention wasn't to make dragons or power .... she was in grief and couldn't see a future without her beloved. In anger and punishment she burnt the witch with the intention to kill herself to be with her love. It was her suffering... magic from witch.... and her love for drogon that created her power to survive fire.

[@hayley10510]

The books don't really support her just sacrificing herself. She tells Jorah that she doesn't mean to kill herself and she reiterates what the the Mirri Maz Duur says about how life requires death. I think her intentions were to hatch dragons.

[@CoolCat1971]

Khal Drogo 😊 Drogon was her dragon she named in honor of him & Khal was his title. No disrespect, just letting u know. Have a good day.

[@nickim6571]

She absolutely meant to hatch the dragons. She says they needed more heat to hatch.

[@autumnlover5784]

I read an explanation about death paying for life there were three deaths ( Baby; Kal; witch some dark magic circles fire and poof the three dragons

[@m.williams4971]

How do you figure 'magic from witch'(your words) contributed to Daeny surviving the fire? That witch has little magic than whatever ritualistic spells she knew.

[@taylortanner37]

Daenerys committing Sati would be considered neccessary in some parts of our world. Sad that it still happens. It really shouldn't

[@Savannah2751]

I think it was a combination of prophecy chasing power, and incest was the cause of their legendary madness.

[@TaeSunWoo]

The Targaryens were the heroes and friends we made along the way

[@liminalemon]

I think Targaryen Madness is the same thing as the Kennedy Curse - it's a wealthy and powerful family who makes rash and impulsive decisions from a place of extreme privilege and inherited wealth/shame.

[@malicia2935]

Wow, riddled with errors...

[@S.R-z2p]

4:33 actually, that was wild-fire There is no such thing as targaryen- fire

[@robertdoran2976]

It seems to me that Targaryen madness has three sources.1.Misunderstanding by others who are ignorant of the prophesy of the long night passed down by each targaryen to their heir .2.Extreeem stress and torture leads to some going bonkers.The Mad King who suffered what they did to him at Duskendale.Finally Misundderstanding the prophesy and having no dragoons caused that one Targ King to guzzle wild fire..

[@marlenamaria3847]

Or Bloodraven!

[@TheBayouBabe]

Ive never really considered this theory. Its interesting to say the least! Also, what if it was the magic of the Targaryens that drove them mad and not some genetic defect. Personally, ive never understood why the Targaryens wedding each other would cause madness. I could understand why it is so for regular people but they are not regular people. It could also explain why their their babies come out deformed and looking more like dragons. To my understanding, there is always a price to pay when dealing with magic and the madness could be part of that.🤔

[@m.williams4971]

You should probably study certain genetic disturbances caused by inbreeding. It's a fact it can cause certain issues, why not mental disease? Nope, it's very plausible.

[@svverte5578]

@@m.williams4971 but we don't know if genetic in Westeros and gentic in our world works the same way - although the world of ASOIAF is very realistic, it still has magic. There are stories about ability to modify genes: tiger-woman, walrus-men. There's a possibility that Valyrians were genetic engeneers. It's impossible for the genetic in that world to work the same as it works in ours, because if that would be the case, then Valyrians would go extinct hundreds of years before the Doom. There's a huge possibility that they used magic to modify their genes - all families coming from Old Valyria share the same looks (Targaryens, Velaryons and Celtigars), and only 40 families from the empire could bond with dragon, so they probably modified it further for those houses - and that would explain why marriages between sibilings were safe for them, and even preferable (keeping blood pure = magic is pure = dragons obey them). Their epire lasted at least 5 000 years and they practiced marriages between sibilings - I doubt that Targaryens were the exception.

[@KillEmEarl]

​​@@m.williams4971Inbreeding in the Game of Thrones world obviously doesn't cause birth defects like in our real world.

[@KillEmEarl]

Targaryen women sometimes give birth to deformed human/dragon hybrid babies because they literally have dragon DNA in their blood. Back in Old Valyria the world's greatest scientists genetically engineered and modified the DNA of at least 40 different families with DNA that they extracted from the blood of dragons.

[@3iom]

Aerys II didnt get mad fo no reason They'll talk about this after Dunk & Egg series

[@tinahs8269]

True, he didn't really get bad until after he'd been held prisoner in a dungeon, anyone's mind could break from that.

[@pplr1]

Don't go by season 8 when thinking about this. The earlier plan for season 8 itself was for wildfire to be what wrecked King's Landing. D and D changed that after they started making season 8. If D and D were willing to make changes that big within just season 8 odds are not that good they would keep to, let alone understand, GRRMs thinking.

[@anwogan3]

I don’t think Danny cared about the prophecy, only to take back the throne. This is clear when she says she is fighting “Jon’s war”, the same war Aegon the Conqueror was trying to prevent.

[@EmoEmu]

I always figured it was syphilis.

[@Ilikefrogs..]

Hard to catch syphilis if you're only fucking your family members.

[@3iom]

Hope they do justice to the book especially bout Arrys&Errys death even more bout Alys River the real main character of this story May the 7 inspire everyone involved So b it ❄&🔥,Folks

[@hristiyanhristov2480]

Alys Rivers the real main character of this story = lol.

[@3iom]

@@hristiyanhristov2480 y not

[@krazyhorse9596]

I just started watching GOT and intend on reading the books as well (when and if GRRM finishes them). But pretty sure the reason the Targaryens are mad might be due to incest...just saying.

Rhaenyra had a valid reason to lay waste to the Greens. Every mama knows this.

[@jaieregilmore971]

I think mental illness is a factor for the madness but most of the madness comes down with the person circumstances or there personality. No the prophecy doesn’t excuse there actions it doesn’t make them justified everything they had done.

[@jay_ooh]

I mean let's be honest, all the inbreeding probably plays a huge part as well

[@ValyTraveler]

So, the way the show ended - Jon going north and the last dragon is dead. Won't the Night King incarnate into Jon with nothing to stop him from going south, again. Cause this time the wall is gone and so is magic... And, his army would be even bigger... No, I haven't seen DOD, yet but the explaining of "madness" makes sense. I didn't think of "madness" as burn it all to the ground crazy. I thought it was more of a despair and loneliness for being the last of one kind - prophecy or not. The future was on their shoulders to save humans and humans didn't care...

[@queenxx1690]

Sorry i don't agree there is not something like Targaryen madness on 300 years of them ruling only 4 of them were mad I think it it more like inbreeding thing that have something to do with it some of them were just cruel there were not mad like Maegor he was sane just cruel like Aegon IV he was just bad stupid kings but again not mad the only mad Targaryens are King Baelor I Targaryen Prince Rhaegel Targaryen Prince Aerion Targaryen King Aerys II Targaryen Viserys Targaryen - driven mad according to his sister. Sounding half-mad according to Tyrion Lannister. but some theories say that only Aerys can be really considered as mad .

[@Rhaenarys]

Yea when you look into the history, its not really madness. Just bad decisions and cocky attitudes. When you look at Viserys story solely, you see its not madness, but desperation from a lifetime of not only trying to survive, but also keep his sister alive...which...theres questions about with her birth as it is. He may very well be trying to keep a girl who isnt really full blooded related to him alive.

[@bradwolf07]

I think the theory that Bran using the Weirwood and accidentally sent the Mad King further into madness. Burn the Others warped into Burn everyone in King's Landing; this the theory that best fits the Mad King in my opinion. But of course it's only a theory and we won't know the truth unless George actually gives us the answers (he may leave it a mystery after all).

[@m.williams4971]

Huh??? Read the books. He stated acting 'kooky' after kidnapping and isolation. Rob Stark hadn't even been conceived when the Mad King went fully mad.

[@bradwolf07]

@@m.williams4971 I have read the books genius. I said I like the theory, not that I thought the theory was 100% correct. Work on your reading comprehension

[@MissDLinx]

I think the madness is real in the sense that it is a result of real mental illness. I think the prophecy merely acts as a catalyst and/or focus for the illness. The way the Targaryans hyper focus on the prophecy reminds me of how obcessives latch onto ideas or problems. It's possible that whatever magic tied them to dragons had an adverse effect on their minds too. If that were the case it might explain the continued obsession with the dragons after they had supposedly died out. The magical bond still existed it was just unfulfilled so it created a kind of biological imperative to re-establish the link it was intended for. ... I don't know, but it's a fun thought experiment 😅

[@treehouse2902]

This sounds like a more plausible explanation. Also, the theory that inbreeding weekends the genetic pool, something we know in present-day science, but could not interweave into that family's generational practice. So yes, a combination of many things lead to them displaying symptoms of mental instability. A fun experiment would have written Jon into his rightful place and freed Dany from the madness in her blood. But how do yo do that? This remained the 64 thousand dollar question for the writing team. IMO, they did not deliver.

[@marlenamaria3847]

Aegon 3rds dragon died during a battle, the dragon barely got young Aegon 3rd back to safety

[@HelenWA]

the maesters poisoned the targs are their dragons

[@m.williams4971]

The family didn't implode until they did their own civil war. Otherwise, They and their dragons mostly had functional relationships. Besides, maestors are not a collective thinking group.

[@Shannon-vv6rr]

@@m.williams4971 the maesters are LITERALLY a collective thinking group. They were probably behind the Doom of Valyria and worked along with the peasants who became faceless men, they poisoned Aegon after they saw he was a mad ruler and conspired against him, they play a heavy hand on who rules. They've slowly killed off quite a few rulers! And they hold quite alot of influence, as they are often consulted over their knowledge. The maesters are definately a collective and conspirers who hold more power than they let anyone know. Who do you think made the poison Olenna used to kill Joffrey? It was a specialised poison made by a maester, normal people can't make poisons and don't know how. They literally acted as a collective to cause the Doom.

[@just_not_sydney5948]

Where do all your video pictures of the characters come from???

[@HypocriteBastard]

IA.

[@carolinepaulsson7799]

AI.

[@chumanimtwebana6321]

However..

[@Leo_ofRedKeep]

Nah, it's raging lizard blood. Wolves are dumb but lizards are nasty. Should have put an asteroid on King's Landing right when it was founded.

[@m.williams4971]

That is easily one of the silliest things I've ever read on any social media outlet.

[@svverte5578]

I think that you're wrong and you're mixing what is canon and what is fanfiction (or canon for the show universe, if we can call it this way). First of all - you're putting too much into this "Aegon prophecy". We don't know if this is true in books. Martin never confirmed that Aegon foresaw the threat of the Others. Unless he says "yes, it happened, it's true", it's not a canon. Also, even if we're going with this "they did it because they were obsessed with prophecy", you're still forgetting that it's stated that the prophecy is passed from king to his heir - so no, unless we're talking about heirs to the Iron Throne, others wouldn't know about it. And you don't even know if this knowledge survived the death of Rhaenyra. Even if she told Aegon III about it, we don't know if he shared it with his son. And even then, Daeron I died when he was young and without children - his younger brother, Baelor I (first official "mad Targaryen") was so occupied with the Faith of Seven, that I doubt that he would care about a prophecy. Then, after his death, we have Viserys II, a younger brother of Aegon II, who wouldn't know anything about the prophecy - so even if the knowledge would survive the death of Rhaenyra, it would have died with Daeron I. So mad Targaryens like Baelor I, Rhaegel and Aerion couldn't act on it. Aegon V is not mad and I don't know why you're including him in this video. The reason for Targaryens trying to bring back dragons is obvious to me - dragons were what made house Targaryen "more". They gave them power, made them look like gods - after the Dance, they lost that "shield" - now they were like other families of Westeros, because dragons made them special. It wasn't a mad chase to fulfill some prophecy (that is not even a canon), but a desperate need to regain what was lost to them. Their family conquered and created the Seven Kingdoms because they had dragons - they survived, because Maegor took Balerion and waged war against Faith when they rebelled. They wanted it back. Also - Aerys II Targaryen wasn't mad because he became a king, but because he was kidnapped and then imprisoned for months. We don't know what happened to him, but if he was tortured, then it would explain why he went mad after the Duskendale and why he became so obsessed with Tywin (who refused to negotiate, saying that they have a better king (Rhaegar). Back to the prophecy - if it was lost after the death of Rhaenyra/Daeron I, then we're left with the prophecy of the Prince that was promised and prophecy of Azor Ahai, but the knowledge of said prince coming from the Targaryen bloodline is lost for some time. We know that Jenny of Oldstones was a friend with a woods witch, who prophesied that the prince that was promised would be born from the line of Prince Aerys and Princess Rhaella Targaryen. After hearing that, Jaehaerys (not Aegon V), decided to arrange a marriage between his two children - but we don't know if Aerys ever acted/cared for this prophecy. And we don't know if they even knew what the Prince that was promised is supposed to do - there's a huge possibility that they didn't know (Aegon V, Jaehaerys II, Aerys II) about the Others. The only one who could learn about them was Rhaegar - and that would explain his sudden change of heart - from bookworm, to skilled warrior. In books we don't have a reason to believe that they knew about Others and Long Night - they never engaged with Starks, never really cared about the North and only Queen Alysanne visited the Night's Watch - after this, nothing - they didn't try to strenghten the army or the Watch. If they were really so focused about the prophecy of Others, then they would do something about it. Plus - I don't understand why so many people in those comments are bringing up the genetics. We actually have more reason to believe that genetic in the ASOIAF universe doesn't work the same as it does in our world. Not only that world is full of magic, but also we have stories about genetically modified humans - even during the Bloodstone Emperor era. Then, we've Valyrians, who all look the same (in books Velaryons are not black and thanks to many marriages between them and Targaryens, they actually look like each other - even many years after the last marriage between those houses, Aurane Waters, bastard of house Velaryon, looks almost exactly like Rhaegar - and it's coming from Cersei, who was obsessed with him) and some of them (only 40 families of Old Valyria) have the ability to bond with dragons. Just seeing that only 40 families were able to bond with dragons gives us a clue that magic/modified genes are a factor - to bond with a dragon you must be a member of one of them. Velaryons and Celtigars also were descendants of Old Valyria and yet, they never had dragons (Velaryons got them only because of marriage with Rhaenys, before that they weren't dragonriders). If the genetic worked the same way as in our world, then the empire would have ended hundreds of years before the Doom, but it lasted for 5 000 years - so I doubt that "mental illness" or "inbeeding" were a danger to them. We never hear about them being deformed or having genetic diseases (and after less than 200 years they would be deformed and have multiple genetic diseases - e.g. Habsburgs, Tutankhamun, pharaohs with Froehlich syndrome), so we can believe that they're immune to it thanks to the magic and modifications. Actually, if we go with "Valyrians used magic to modify their genes", then we can understand why marriages between close relatives and sibilings were safe and prefered - in order to keep magic in their blood pure, they had to marry someone with similar magic and genes. If blood was pure, then so was the magic - it allowed them to bond with dragons and to control them. If they married outsiders and allowed their blood to be polluted, then there's a possibility that the dragons would stop recognising the magic and would refuse to obey. I also think that people go with this cursed Jaehaeys II quote and link it to what Cersei said in the show - but are forgetting that show is not a canon and that it is not true. Oficially, we have only 7 mad Targaryens - and we don’t know if Helaena and Viserys (son of Aerys II) should be on that list, because we don’t have reliable sources to tell if they were really mad. Several princes and bastards of Targaryen blood comitted insane acts for one reason or another, but oftentimes it was not "pure madness" but an outcome of tragedy that happenerd to them (Aerys II and Defiance of Duskendale, Viserys and his family dead when he was 8 + everything what happener afterwards, Helaena and the Heath of Her oldest son) acts born of desperation or arrogance. The only mentalny ill Targaryen was probably Prince Rhaegel - and he wasn’t violent, just mad and meek. Maegor was never "mad", not in the way people of Westeros understand that term - he was cruel, yes, but his actions were calculated - it wasn't madness. In my opinion, all of this is a mix of them not having dragons (if we don't include Helaena, then all Targaryens who are officially considered "mad" were born after the death of dragons) - and not being able to control the magic in their blood. In some cases it was probably Dreams driving them mad, because they couldn't understand them. For others, it was because they experienced horrible things and didn't know how to cope with them - Aerys II could be tortured, Viserys lost everything and was constantly ridiculed by others + hunted down by Robert Baratheon - all of this when he was just a child/teenager. I think most viewers don't know the lore and don't really understand the world of ASOIAF. They look at it through the modern understanding of customs and what is normal/what is wrong, but are forgetting that not only this is the world based on medieval times, but also full of magic. It may look "normal" with similar rules to what we have in our world, but it has also magic - it allows characters to bond with dragons, use blood magic in order to survive being burned alive, to warg into animals, control shadows, change faces or to see future. In world like this, it is possible that genetic won't work the same way as it works for us. We shouldn't expect that since in our world marriages between siblings lead to their children having genetic diseases/being insane, it will be the same in the ASOIAF universe. (Sorry for my English, it's not my first language.)

[@KillEmEarl]

Aegons prophecy was written into the blade of catspaw dagger that Arya used to kill the Night King. At the time of Game of Thrones there were at least several other people that weren't Targayens who also knew about Aegons prophecy including the red priests and priestesses of Volantis.

[@zoe1882]

I agree with the genetics part. In ASOIAF, I think Targaryens are more like demi gods. They're said to be more resilient to poison or illness, theyr'e somewhat flame retardant, and they can command dragons at will. That sounds kinda like demi gods. And they breed with each other, just like gods did. Of course not all of these things applied to ALL Targaryens, but that does sound somewhat super human. I also don't think any of them truly went mad, I think they were poisoned or black magic caused it. I believe in the Old Town conspiracy.

[@Book_Dragon2562]

I thought it was all the incest 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@deborrahall1915]

When will the series second season begin? I love the first season. It was better then King of Thrones.

[@carastone3473]

It’s filming now and is supposed to hit our screens late spring 2024.

[@carastone3473]

Do you mean GAME of Thrones??

[@harriotteworthington3147]

@Cara Stone 0f course she does. Just a little whoopsie, I’m sure. KZbin is the only way I can watch either show. Count blessings and enjoy. Life is good.

[@deborrahall1915]

Yes I meant Game. Lol

[@tonyfan4242]

I respectfully disagree with you. I think Game of thrones is much better. Just a difference of opinion

[@Dragon.um5tz]

Wait, you said Aegon concord Westeros, because of a dream of darkness, destroying the world, the cold and dark is he talking about the white walkers

[@KillEmEarl]

Welcome to the party, better late than never.

[@Dragon.um5tz]

@@KillEmEarl I like parties I like to party a lot

[@tinahs8269]

The prophecy did guide many of them...butthe "Targaryen curse" if anything was to act rashly without thinking things through. And also their belief that they knew better than others, which led them to ignore or not even seek the advice of people around them such as Daemon (Viserys), Aemon(Aerion, Rhaegar) Tywin(Aerys) and Tyrion(Dany)...

[@thorbeorn4295]

Why the Targaryens always so hot?

[@modelblue429]

Madness does not excuse vengeance. Madness also does not excuse murder. Daenerys was mad through and through because of her quest for revenge. This made her paranoid and unpredictable.

[@treehouse2902]

This is more of an explanation of why she descended into madness rather than an excuse. She finally got what she always wanted and knew deep down she was not legitimately in line to get the one thing that drove her, the throne. She knew Jon was the guy, which compounded her status. D & D could not come up with a rational pathway to make the finale what many thought should have been. Making Dany act out her madness was lazy thinking. The prince that was promised? Did Dany get those visions too, like her brother and others before him, and if she did, why did the outcome differ? It didn't seem like a natural conclusion which is one of the reasons the fandom is not happy.

[@m.williams4971]

Well, let's see: Lost her 2(actually 3 counting Barristan who was already dead) advisors before having a full chance to obtain the throne, Physically barren, yet out of her 'children', 2/3 were deceased(mostly from bad writing, but deceased nonetheless), then finds out a guy born in Westeros and far more likely to be accepted(or desired) as king by the Westerosi people is a more legitimate heir to the throne. Things that would throw off a lot of people.

[@Rhaenarys]

By that logic, just about all of westeros was mad...