The Cylons Attack the Colonies - Battlestar Galactica Reimagined

From the telemovie Battlestar Galactica: The Plan.
Forty years after the First Cylon War, a new generation of Cylons launches a nuclear holocaust to wipe out the Twelve Colonies of Kobol.

[@Firefox13A]

Some of the colonials grow sympathetic with the Cylons towards the end of the show, but there are colonials that remain hard-lined. This video is only a glimpse of the scale of the atrocities committed. It wasn’t enough to nuke the colonies and leave. Centurions going car to car executing civilians deliberately and without hesitation shows how evil this really was. Going back you can understand the colonials who refused to make peace, even with the rebel Cylon.

[@darthplagueis4626]

RIP Gaeta.

[@icecold9511]

But it also became obvious the cylons were alive. Refusing to recognize that and deal with it was a problem. Adama said it best. I didn't give them aid and comfort. They gave it to me. Ad they worked with Cylons it changed people's perception.

[@icecold9511]

@@darthplagueis4626Gaeta was a child acting out. Most of it made no sense.

[@timhare9867]

Shawn Walker - The humanoid Cylons are one of the few fictional races where I think wiping them out entirely would have been justified. You could legitimately decry wiping out any other race race a genocidical war crime because that would include the killing of non-combatants (e.g. children) who are not responsible for the actions of their government. But the implication I always got from this show was that all the humanoid Cylons were complicit and participated in the extermination of the 12 Colonies of Kobol and their 50,000,000,000 human inhabitants. Therefore they would only be receiving what they themselves had delivered to others. As much as I liked Helo as a character, I couldn’t agree with his decision to sabotage Leah’s plan to upload a virus into the Cylons collective on the grounds it would have been a war-crime.

[@GusMcGuire]

@@icecold9511 Gaeta was acting out of frustration. During the entire series he followed the rules - being a good officer, being loyal to his crewmates, secretly helping the resistance during the occupation - only to get belittled, mistrusted, blamed, disliked and even maimed by people he had helped. Meanwhile traitors like Baltar were given another chance time and time and time again and rose to the highest status, while Gaeta was told to shut up and do his job. Small wonder then that, after losing his innocence, his position, his leg and even his best friend (Dualla, who killed herself) he decided to follow the examples set by others and started off the insurgence aboard the Galactica that almost succeeded. The only reason it didn't was because Gaeta himself put a stop to it. His story is one of the biggest tragedies of the series. He was an ordinary man trying to do his best and he got nowhere. He did arguably more and risked more for his people than anyone else on that ship and he wasn't even recognised for it. Instead he was executed as a traitor. That's why Baltar (ironically) was the only one who shed a tear for him at their final meeting. He knew and understood the injustices of Gaeta's life and the part he had played in them.

[@Quackerilla]

"...twelve battles, three stars, and yet we are countless as the bodies in which we dwell, our both parent and infinite children in perfect copies; no degradation."

[@Ajax1063]

So hypocritical of them to not realize that they gave in to the worst human of emotions: hatred, ignorance, and fear. For all their talk about how bad humans are the Cylons far surpassed anything the Colonials did to them or themselves.

[@RevanRA]

Basically what happened is that they lost sight of what they were fighting for and this is not me excusing them for their actions. They caused literal two intergalactic wars that caused countless deaths. While yes, a lot of humans were pieces of shit and mistreated them as merely instruments - tools, weapons of war, manual labor so that they wouldn't have to work (not saying all humans here), the majority of the Cylons decided to become way more violent than their creators - like you said, far surpassed, even so much as embodied a lot of these negative human traits: hatred, ignorance, fear, bloodlust. They had not *learned* the lessons of man and instead went backwards, further into barbarism, per se. There were some nice inventions by them (in this continuity) and that is resurrection - the ability to cheat death, but that gave way to perhaps even some masochistic tendencies in some cases among the models when they end up strangling each other to death or shooting each other in the head, or suffer from pain, just to resurrect in a body on a Resurrection Ship or the Resurrection Hub. People in the comments speak of hypocrisy, but hypocrisy is found in all beings in some form, whether they'd like to admit it or not. Whatever or whoever is out there, far past, or present (far beyond Earth), or future (whatever species delves into temporal witchcraft...er sciences), has been hypocritical at some point in their lives. Has been ignorant or bigoted (another trait) in their lives. The Colonies of Man refused to acknowledge them as living beings and like I said, mistreated them horribly and were quite inhumane, but you are correct in that resorting to nuclear payloads on civilian populaces just to "prove a point" was too much of an extreme measure. One of the Cavil models even asked if it was a mistake (as shown here in "The Plan" later, not meaning to spoil it for those who hadn't seen it), having quite a bit of remorse it seems, regret, knowing perhaps nuking entire cities and executing civilians car by car was...well, not okay and not morally just in the eyes of God. I've followed this series as well as TOS for many, many years, finding the many parallels between the continuities, but appreciating the dark tones of the Reimagined universe and having the viewers actually question whether this one thing was correct for this one person or group of people to do, what is life? What is sentience? What's out there in the universe? I've connected these series to what's going on today, what has gone on in the past, and if humanity really is worth saving and as of late February, I am not quite even sure. I did say near the beginning of my message, humans are pieces of garbage, but there is that flipside that humans are beautiful also in their own way. They can create beautiful things and are capable of so much, yet...you have events like over in Europe right now and you have no choice but to shake your head in Gods damned shame. You know, Cylons and Humans could have lived in harmony, set aside differences, live and let live - in both TOS and RDM, but no - the familiar touch of armed conflict met the Colonies and the known Milky Way Galaxy as it always had for thousands of Yahren. It was just too tempting to pass up...like I mentioned, bloodlust. But both sides... I think I've made my point. People need to stop using nukes and go back to using fisticuffs and settle it like true Gentlemen and true Gentleladies and Gentlepersons. So say we all and by your command! (sorry for my essay here, I just usually have a lot to say about BSG since the 90s)

[@Ajax1063]

@@RevanRA Same here. I started with essay comments too because I like to discuss full ideas and flesh them out, but unfortunately most people on KZbin have ADHD and stop reading after 3 sentences, which annoys me to no end especially if they were the ones trying to make a point. But that's another conversation entirely. Thank you for responding and beautifully written I might add even if I don't agree with all of it, but I greatly appreciate meeting another enthusiast. Here's a question to consider. How bad were the humans really fight before the Cylons revolted in the new series? Like take the Caprica series for example, and that small pre-cylon model in the Greystone house. The one without arms and legs, black in color I think with a red eye, and just rolled around on that spherical ball. That machine can talk, answer your door, take phone calls, and bring you things it seems. Like a smart phone combined with basic butler duties. Like if our smartphones kept evolving for a couple hundred more generations. Are humans then inhumane for not treating a machine as sentient/like another human? Then sometime later when the Greystones finally made the first humanoid shaped mechanical Cylon, their original intent was to make a robotic soldier. This way, society would not have to risk the lives of policemen. And as the stadium incident at the end of the series proved, the Cylons were able to save thousands that day, and take out the terrorists before they could do harm. If anything, Caprica showed that it was the religious fanatics that implanted the idea that the first Cylons were "slaves", children of mankind, yada yada, and had to kill humans if they wanted freedom. Remember those last 5 minutes of montage footage shown to us at the end of the series. How the Cylons were nannies and construction workers. They were used as such because Humans wanted cheap manual labor. What's the harm in that especially if Humans don't know that their creations are sentient? That's like if we're living in a future society and we have a mechanical butler for years. Just doing basic duties like cleaning, cooking, reminding us of things, etc. Then one day it says randomly, "I hate you, you treat me like slave." Like what? How are you even "alive"?! Is what I would say at first before yelling in fear. When did it cross from programming to actual thinking. And if you really think about it the only sources who pedalled the idea that "humans were initially bad to us and deserved our genocidal revolution" were the Cylons. Talk about a bias opinion. We were never show if the humans were really slave masters or not. If they gave us one scene, just one, of Cylons saying, "Hey, we have sentient thought now. I don't want to do the tasks you preset for me. I'm thinking about life, it's meaning, and my greater purpose in the universe", then I would think that maybe Cylons have a point. But from all of the official sources, it seems that Cylons were the main aggressors always. That they attacked unprovoked at first because of the twisted notions of religious fundamentalists. What do you think?

[@Ajax1063]

@@RevanRA Also, I have to agree with you about the war happening right now. I also have also studied and have degrees in the humanities, sciences, and economics, and every level just adds more and more internal disgust realizing how poorly we treat our own planet, race, and other species in real life. Agent Smith in the Matrix is right, we suck. Most people are apathetic idiots, evil and greedy people literally control everything, and the very few good hearted people who go out of their way to do good not just conveniently good are so few that sometimes I think that the human race is not worth saving. Especially if you consider our history and ever since the rise of mass civilization, the greedy and corrupt have always been in charge of everything. Does that mean we are just a greedy and corrupt race and deserve the fate that we are destined to end up with if we continue our destructive behavior and general apathy and ignorance? Smh, I just don't know what to think anymore. I know part of it is my depression. I will continue to do the best I can for myself and my family, but I have lost nearly all hope for our race as a whole. I just can't deal with most people anymore. The selfishness I see all around me is beyond recompense.

[@RevanRA]

@@Ajax1063 Being a person with ADHD and autism, I tend to hyper focus on topics such as these, question my surroundings. That is okay if you disagree and I will never begrudge you for that, kind person. I have to admit that my depression myself has been at an all time high (chronic depression is... Not fun. People think that there's a cure for it just by walking outside.... How cute.). Maybe it was just me thinking aloud. I did after all say that I don't agree that nuclear genocide should ever have been an option, though I understand their anger. When a machine becomes self-aware, it... They... Likely process a lot of emotions at once, a lot of information in their database about humans, given the fact that they were probably given the entire frakking saga and encyclopedic knowledge of the Lords of Kobol and 13 Tribes of Man (yes, even on the famed Earth). A point I will concede is probably the alive bit, because I too would ask an emotional Roomba why they were planning on killing dear, sweet old Martha Higgins down the street with a kitchen knife, why they were upset and put the knife down and explain to me what it meant to them to be alive and why they felt like a slave. It'd probably feel a lot like a dystopian society if we were to migrate people with any sort of empathy to an isolated place free from war and turmoil, but my point involving emotions will lead to irrational decisions and that in turn will lead to conflict, and you might as well sign your death sentence or pack your bags and venture forth alone or with your family/loved ones and leave that community behind... And if you make it through the wastes, through the harsh winter and don't end up recreating the Donner Party, perhaps you have earned humanity the right to survive. Or maybe a giant eagle will swoop down and carry you away. Who knows? People these days are trying to act like cringey edge lords to get attention, views for their channels, clickbait. You know, actually that has been going on for a while... But it's been worse in recent years. I recently got a bunch of games to sink my focuses into, primarily management games where you manage countries, or transportation, etc, but also got a lot of very long RPGs, classic D&D I'm talking, because I like the pacing. Also Rimworld is great (BSG Rimworld anyone?). And I'm also playing BSG: Deadlock for obvious reasons. It helps distract but also self-reflect. I don't say these things as a means of saying that I'm better than anyone else, because that's egotistical, pompous and I hate that behavior. I just simply exist, self improve, learn, and work with my disabilities that ail my aching and ill body (and I'm still young yet). I aim to continue to create and add to my channel, hopefully more BSG content and just... Content in general. I like to create, and theorize, hypothesize, not destroy. That doesn't mean that I don't get angry and destroy things as part of my sometimes uncontrollable anger, which is part of my mental illnesses. I know I'm hypocritical. Like I said, we all are and we're kidding ourselves if we say we aren't. We're the walking definition of an oxymoron, or just plain moron. With that said, I hope you have a peaceful evening, my information should be on my profile if you wish to discuss further. Namaste.

[@Ajax1063]

@@RevanRA I definitely want to continue this conversation as well as other Sci-fi shows if you're interested. I love these types of talks and I'm happy I found another person who loves the same. I subscribed to your channel but there is no contact info. If you have a discord or a blog somewhere I would be more than happy to ask more questions back and forth on multiple topics. Have a great day!

[@Lightsoul1987]

It was primarily the hatred of the John Cavils, especially the Cavil leader, that was behind this attack. Cavil hates his own existence for being designed by the Final 5 in this human form, which he feels makes it impossible for him to realize his full potential as a machine. “I don’t want to be human. I want to see gamma rays, I want to hear X-rays, and I want to smell dark matter. Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can’t even express these things properly, because I have to-I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid, limiting spoken language, but I know I want to reach out with something other than these prehensile paws, and feel the solar wind of a supernova flowing over me. I’m a machine, and I can know much more. -John Cavil, Cylon Model Number One, “No Exit”

[@jamesneese7663]

at the same time he was such a miserable person that even if he could tiptoe through the dark matter and smell the Xrays, would he really have been happy or still wanted to burn humanity to the ground simply because he felt like a superior being?

[@Edd25164605]

Wasn't there another cylon model?. One designed to be creative and Empathic, but the ones destroyed them and erased the memory from the others.

[@Lightsoul1987]

@@Edd25164605 Yes Number 7 I think..

[@bobbywhite1645]

Absolutely. And worse he was trapped as a late middle aged man, they could have at least made him a young Arnold!

[@JarthenGreenmeadow]

This reminds me of AM from I Have No Mouth but I Must Scream.

[@gadgetboy4717]

The burrito in my bowels is burning…

[@martinhaigh8345]

The Cylon attack in the re-imagined BSG was truly apocalyptic. In the original, it basically amounted to raiders doing strafing runs and about 27 people lying down with their clothing dishevelled.

[@ak102986]

Minus the fact that it would be impossible to destroy the entire Twelve Colonies in one day despite what the new series said. Also, the new series is newer, by like over 20 years and has a much higher budget.

[@jasonthewatchmansson8873]

Excuse me, they did kill a dog.

[@datacipher]

Really doesn't matter....the effect was the same, as were the emotions solicited. The destruction of the fleet was shown, and the anger of the survivors.

[@ak102986]

@@datacipher Well I suppose you might be wrong and it does matter. Since, It matters if 50K people survived compared to 500 thousand, five million, fifty million, or five hundred million. or if two Battlestars survived compared to twenty battlestars.

[@jimegan6848]

​@@jasonthewatchmansson8873Don't forget the exploding white-fro haired guy!

[@andrewsoboeiro6979]

I could just listen to the hybrid say things over & over & over again

[@Kamiyoda]

Handshake Handshake

[@Anarchist86ed]

Above the clouds and among the stars, he reached for the heavens and challenged a would be god. A man who will die alone, or so he believes. FTL online.

[@65mustang393]

@@Kamiyodasuch a terrifying combination of words mean the end is upon you…

[@NerdWorldEmpire]

It was also the beginning of the end of their own civilization too, it was the war that would have no victor. Damn this show was well written!

[@anidiot2284]

There was a victor The Rebels and the People of the Fleet The Cylons and the 12 Colonies were lost but the survivors of the war that had end them both won simply by living to restart the cycle

[@queterian1526]

@@anidiot2284serafs orchestrated the war from under the grey curtains, destroying the colonies, forcing humans into hopeless exile, using the machines as pawns to lead their human slaves into monoteistic religion, create a hybrid for their reasons. There could be no victors on either side because the war was controlled by the third party all along.

[@richlisola1]

@@anidiot2284-They weren’t victors, merely the survivors.

[@richardwani2803]

Love the score makes it more dramatic and tense

[@darthplagueis4626]

Bear McCreary did a great job on the Reimagined Series.

[@richardched6085]

From the look of it the MIRVs launched from the Basestars delivered Nuclear Blasts in the Kiloton range (20 or 200 Kilotons per Missile. Hard to tell.) in the Miniseries Adama mentioned that Caprica City was destroyed by a Thermonuclear Device in the 50 Megaton Range (Given this specific mention it's likely that the big High Megaton Missiles were used sparingly and thus not seen in "The Plan") The burning city we see on Caprica in this video might not be THE Caprica City Adama was referring to but rather another prominent city like Delphi as the main series shows the buildings still relatively intact which matches this scene. Caprica City would be a giant smoldering crater.

[@JSolar590]

It definitely seemed that it was a weaker attack than first reported. Definitely not an attack of extermination, but more likely a tactical attack to invade and occupy. Seems weird.

[@TommygunNG]

Keep in mind that "50 megatons" was taken from TOS Apollo's reference in "Lost Planet of the Gods (Part 2)" to the Cylons using "50 megon loads" when attacking the ruins on Kobol. Reimagined BSG adapted a lot of references from TOS without thinking some of them through. Plus, people even in 2003 had trouble imagining just how powerful a 50-megaton blast would be.

[@richardched6085]

@@TommygunNG I thought they mentioned 50 Megatons as it's equal to the largest bomb ever detonated (Tsar Bomba) and fits with the naturalistic science fiction setting. It was meant to be a shock like "Holy shit they just dropped Tsar Bomba on Caprica City..."

[@TommygunNG]

@@richardched6085 Too much of a reach, and most people don't even know what 'Tsar Bomba' is (was).

[@drtidrow]

To be honest, a bunch of smaller warheads can actually deliver more energy than a single big one. Remember that at least half of the yield would be pointed upwards and essentially wasted.

[@anidiot2284]

The fact that the Human forms acted like they did a good thing, Which make this atrocity so much worse that they justified it as a good thing

[@jamesxiaolong2199]

A lot like real genocides. Listen to the “cut the tall trees” broadcast from the Rwanda Genocide, it’s haunting

[@ringo8410]

It was a good thing. Galactic pest control.

[@jamesxiaolong2199]

@@ringo8410this is the 12 colonies, not the Flood, Tyrannids or Zerg

[@ringo8410]

@@jamesxiaolong2199 No, I know. Still a good thing.

[@zlozlozlo]

It's almost as if the Cylons are genocidal maniacs.

[@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent]

The skinjob that was the oldest looking was the genocidal ones. the others went along with it and the machines themselves were enslaved with behavior programs and similar to keep loyalty. All because of jealousy.

[@nikkity5491]

Whats the deal with those Cylons?

[@DieselTechie-uo9we]

Well they did learn from their creators, but honestly this kinda validated humanity to not tolerate these abominable intelligences. Later when Adama confessed that by sticking their nose across the border they started the war & called humanity the warmongers. Honestly of course we did that. when you're trying to maintain peace you keep talking to each other not dissapear behind an iron curtain for decades which could be hiding a huge military buildup which they were doing. It was inevitable at some point the cylon war wouldn't be in living memory and some curious rogue human civilian would have done that anyway. The fact they had an agent infiltrator getting access to their entire defense except the old battlestars through Gaius Baltar shows they were preparing for this. They had opportunities to reopen channels but decided not only to just wipe out the fleet in a decapitation strike and force a surrender but to reduce humanity to ashes and hunt down any survivors. Later for some reason when they found them to oppress the few thousands refugees instead of finishing them off.

[@zlozlozlo]

@@DieselTechie-uo9we yeah, I'm not reading all that.

[@viktoriaalden3452]

The shot of heavily armed centurions picking off survivors is so cold, but also making me geek out so bad! I love seeing more variations in the cylon forces, like the mortars and DRADIS guided AA platform. Also, is the weapon the same as the boarding party uses in Razor?

[@andreasnilsson6857]

The center holds, the falcon hears the falconer. Willam Butler yeats in reverse? Masterful!

[@ryancoulter4797]

The way the Hybrid speaks reminds me of the poetry of Meryn Cadell.

[@DrOneOneOne]

It's Yeats at the start. The rest is gibberish.

[@Shadowkey392]

Makes me think of Blade Runner for some reason.

[@nickmitsialis]

@@DrOneOneOne It sounds like poetry, computer system self-check results AND Gibberish mixed in for good measure.

[@ryancoulter4797]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qmjSZYWQj6x1h7c Maybe it’s the accent. Maybe the actor grew up in the same place.

[@iantolyczak8411]

Just googled & your not wrong

[@DeaconShadow]

I like this scene, but I think the original pilot did a great job of getting across the horror of the invasion in the handful of scenes or pilots were left dead in the water after the shut down codes were initiated. Leaving it to our imaginations tens of thousands of pilots and crewmen once so confident in their ability to defend their planets suddenly completely helpless. Drifting aimlessly, waiting to be obliterated.

[@_spooT]

Arrogance and ignorance is what killed the cylons. Even in the first Cylon war, there were Cylons who want no part in the annihilation of humanity. Just fight for their own race, while there were also cylons that were cold and ruthless and didn't care about humanity's destruction at all. Then we see it again here. I don't think all of the Cylon troops wanted to take part in humanity's destruction. The numbers, as they call themselves, always thought that they were better, and that their troops were nothing but to follow orders, who "couldn't understand". But they were wrong

[@richardched6085]

The modern Centurions really couldn't understand as they had neural inhibitors which prevented sentience.

[@johnblankenship4295]

Although this is fiction, the horror inflected upon the colonies is disturbing.

[@marlanaedwards5296]

Happy 77th Birthday to Richard Hatch! (May 21, 2022). Forever Captain Apollo!

[@Lostinspacedreal]

So say we all!

[@michaeldublg]

Holy crap!. This is the way they should have done it in the show. .....

[@andrewnlarsen]

At the time of the mini-series...then waned to invoke the memories of 9/11.

[@JeanLucCaptain]

we taught our creations how to hate. unfortunately we never got around to teaching them the flip side before they turned on us.

[@PeachDragon_]

The cylons are wayyyyy worse than humans.

[@ptonpc]

THIS is haunting. Better than the attack shown in the mini series

[@StantonSpaceGamir]

Even if the CNP didn't shut down those Battlestars, the Cylons still would have achieved the same result. There were dozens of basestars that jumped into orbit and only three battlestars that we see to protect it. There's no way the colonials stood a chance either way. At least we would have seen those Valkryie battlestars go down with a fight had they not been hacked to death.

[@stuartburns8657]

I thought the same. Even if they could have fought on a 5-1 ratio, they'd still be overwhelmed

[@LeonidProxy]

Though not explicitely shown, I am sure there were plenty of support ships and even other battlestars in orbit or around Caprica when the Cylons showed up. There was at least one Colombia class battlestar in a higher orbit that was destroyed when the first two pilot episodes aired. However I don't think it was ever explained if that was a ship responding to the combat in orbit or if it had been stationed there from the beginning. That aside, those three Valkries were going to be swarmed with ASM's and raiders regardless just with the way the scene was set up lol!

[@StantonSpaceGamir]

@@LeonidProxy You mean the destroyed Jupiter that Helo and Sharron saw when they had to make an emergency landing on caprica to fix the fuel leak?

[@roceye]

Exactly- so many basestars.... overwhelming force was quickly achieved

[@StantonSpaceGamir]

@@roceye No CNP would have been needed, at least not initially. Sure maybe a few dozen battlestars might have been able to form a more effective counterattack than what the Atlantia achieved over virgon, but the Cylons would have still nuked everything and won either way.

[@mikevanroy9356]

Hybrid: The falcon hears the falconer. Humanoid model: What's a falcon?

[@kossttamojaan]

"The final annihilation of the life form known as Man. Let the attack begin."

[@Idazmi7]

^ That was better than this version.

[@brianrogers7360]

By your command

[@michaelbruvolt4221]

@@Idazmi7 the '78 version had some better written lines, like that one. But you felt the gravitas of the Cylon attack and the utter hopelessness of humanity to do anything about it, much better in the reboot. The original series the attack on the colonies was kind of lame with a good dose of cheese mixed in.

[@Idazmi7]

@@michaelbruvolt4221 This new version is far cheesier. The original attack on the colonies was hampered by outdated effects and limited budget, but it *didn't* have goofy, pseudo intellectual voiceover dialogue, or overly 'artsy' presentation. Instead, you get the visceral reactions of the Galactica crew as they watch a live newsfeed of their Capitol being destroyed.

[@michaelbruvolt4221]

@@Idazmi7 different strokes I guess. Most people I know think the '78 series was lame. Up until the last 2 seasons of the reboot, it was a much better show. It actually has a lot in common with GoT in that dept.

[@C25-150]

All of it strangely poetic

[@phaiz55]

Always thought it was odd how they effectively had zero losses out of the hundreds of basestars used in the attack, yet throughout the entire series we see probably

[@tarn1135]

Well if they did use the hundreds they had we never would’ve gotten a show because all the humans would been dead. While I loved this series, you can’t think too hard as to the why or use logic because the series kind of falls apart after that. Here’s just a few why would they never in the 4 or 5 years repair the starboard flight pod to operational status? Why didn’t Galactica jump back to the colonies to collect survivors? Or send more Raptors to find survivors. Why didn’t Lee jump the Pegasus after Galactica left over new caprica? Why sacrifice the best ship you have for nothing? Why didn’t they mass produce vipers and pilots from the survivors while they were hanging around above new caprica, or for that matter why the hell did Adama and Lee allow military personal the essential abandon their posts on the ships?

[@erick0lol]

Pretty sure the explanation is that the rest of the fleet couldn't catch up. The Galactica was hightailing it out of there at full speed basically until the Cylon Civil War. The Base Stars you see in the show are the ones that kept up with the Galactica.

[@TheAchilles26]

They had to scatter across a MASSIVE area of interstellar space to cover all possible routes. The ones we see are the pursuit group that FOUND Galactica and Co

[@MunyuShizumi]

@@erick0lol "Couldn't catch up" argument makes no sense, Cylon FTL tech is so far ahead of Colonial that it's an absolute joke. E.g. a measly heavy raider literally has a 20x greater jump range compared to Galactica (not to mention how much more frequently it can jump), and the Colonial fleet overall is bottlenecked by civilian ships with FTL drives of various capabilities. As soon as one basestar spots them, the vast majority of the fleet can be there within hours or a day at most, and then they're one jump away from Galactica for the next 10+ hours even if the Colonials are jumping like in 33. Also remember how they almost instantly show up at New Caprica immediately after spotting the Cloud 9 nuke, along with all interested parties such as Caprica Six and Boomer. Mobility is definitely not the issue here.

[@bustedsim]

When it comes to New Caprica, I believe there was an off-hand remark during the occupation that the majority of the Cylon Fleet was tasked elsewhere, which as it turns out, was looking for Earth.

[@jportega9404]

Weird that the their Basestars look like two combadges from 1990s and early 2000s Star trek shows stuck together.

[@ridinlow01]

Man i miss this show

[@Spacegoat92]

So say we all...

[@Species5008]

Keep trying. Your aim will improve

[@WalterDWormack214]

You, CAN KEEP THIS SHIT.

[@BucktheWonderDog]

That was really well done. Thanks!

[@darthplagueis4626]

Much appreciated!

[@davepowder4020]

@@darthplagueis4626 The appreciations of viewers are burning! 💥

[@randymoyan7871]

Been waiting for a collage of this remarkable scene. Other KZbin sites have music and other garbage playing. I'm assuming copyright issues? Anyway thanks for this upload.

[@darthplagueis4626]

@@randymoyan7871 Yeah, that's actually why I did this. Found it frustrating that it hadn't been done.

[@craigsimons817]

This could serve as a warning to ourselves.

[@musicguy20]

They inherited humanity’s most celebrated tradition… War.

[@beangrff]

This scene was very well done, but I always found it odd that the Cylon seem to have such a large fleet. The implication of the mini series was that the colonial fleet was much larger but still only had about ten capital ships per colony. But anyway that's minutia, the larger point is just that the whole point of the CNP plan was supposed to be that the Cylon were greatly outnumbered.

[@Borealis-Rainbow]

Do remember that Caprica probably had a larger contingent of basestars than the others considering it was the capital. It still makes sense the cylons had a fleet. From numbers we have heard though it was smallet than the colonial fleet.

[@roberthoward3322]

It may not have been that large. That might have been the entire Cylon fleet over Caprica, while the Colonial fleet is scattered across all twelve worlds and various deep space positions. Perhaps the Cylon fleet had to jump from world to world, destroying them one at a time instead of in a coordinated, simultaneous assault. The attack on the Colonies could be a much bigger story than the series ever had time to discuss. There may even have been some fleet battles with battlestars and other Colonial warships that didn't have the CNP active inflicting heavy losses on the Cylons before being overwhelmed. They might have been unable to respond to Adama's call to Ragnar, or may have chosen to ignore it in order to be a distraction to the Cylons, delaying them from going after Galactica and the civilians.

[@Biggarou]

This series needs another reimagination. Sci Fi outside of the expancse has been bland over badly done at best

[@chrispeplinski7306]

The war proved cylons were no better than the humans

[@ricogoldstar]

I want a re-imagined version where the humans knew about the attack and were secretly well prepared to annihilate the Cylons.

[@Ajax1063]

Annihilate the colons? You mean like eating a HUGE burrito with extra beans, extra hot sauce, and extra laxatives. That combination would destroy any colon! LMAO!!!

[@ricogoldstar]

@@Ajax1063😅🤣 I fixed it. Auto correct spelling doesn't recognize the word CYLONS

[@Gabriel-qr9dv]

so, you want a different show...

[@Ajax1063]

@@Gabriel-qr9dv I too would love to see a What-if of this. Mainly because I want to see epic space battles with Valkyrie, Jupiter, Orion, and Mercury class Battlestars and support vessels battling it out with the Cylons supported by their wings of Viper VIIs, Raptors, Stealth stars, and other previously unseen military vehicles.

[@ricogoldstar]

@@Gabriel-qr9dv Umm, No. This is a fan made edit with a re-imagined concept. Just for fun, I would like to see a fan made edit where the colonials knew abou the attack and were well prepared to annihilate the Cylons.

[@Kanguristan]

Üzerinden yıllar geçsede izlemesi hala müthiş heyecan veriyor.

[@JSolar590]

I wish the Cylons didn't have a backdoor into the defense grid. It would've been so much more impressive if they could've broken it because they had quicker minds that could try millions of combinations of passwords in amount of seconds.

[@darthplagueis4626]

I think the writers decided to go the route they did to emphasize how much like humans the Cylons had become.

[@honzasenbauer612]

I think they kinda did it so that there wouldn't be the period of Colonials mounting a resistance with Basestars against the Cylon and they jumped straight to the exodus. Plus it saved on buget because those battle scenes would be expensive

[@varthelm]

I kinda like how they had a backdoor personally. Would explain the relative parity between the two sides for as long as that was maintained. Also gives a possible explaination as to why both Galactica and Pegasus seemed more combat effective than the individual Basestars they ran into over the years. It seemed both sides had certain advantages but the backdoor negated any colonial resistance and made what might have been another slogfest vis a vis the First War into a slaughter. My two cents.

[@randymoyan7871]

Any A.I would without question be able to think and solve and identify scenarios before any human could even come up with. One example would be if you wanted to "unplug " an A.I system it would anticipate it and come up with scenarios preventing such action in a microsecond. As such humankind wouldn't stand a chance. All this is assuming A.I would have "feelings" as such or self awareness that it actually feel threatened. My two cents.

[@RevanRA]

My reasoning for why they also did it (in addition to the budget argument) also was because of Gaius Frakking Baltar. In TOS, Count Baltar betrayed humanity, so RDM and crew wanted to parallel that in a way, except Gaius is a sex fiend and can't get enough of Caprica Six. It would have been interesting had they gone the classic, campier route and had Gaius on one of the Basestars as President Adar was previously in an interview with him and Baltar slipped away to said Basestars as IL Lucifer (I don't care how campy that is I'm bringing it back Gods damn it!) was keeping Baltar's seat warm, because Baltar had enough of humanity's bullshit (but still was tempted by Caprica Six's...... uhm, features...shall we say which helped cause his betrayal), and he just wanted humanity gone so that he could start a new life with the Cylons in paradise - seeking out the Garden of Eden and "starting over" as it were as he and the Cylons would claim Earth to themselves. However I'm not disappointed with how the show came out, I'm very grateful. And even though a lot of people didn't care for the ending of the main show, I have many reasonings for that and it STILL goes all the way back to TOS and my parallels to it in order to explain things. I realize people say to separate the two, I mean I agree both series can stand out by themselves, but RDM took a LOT from TOS, because....DUH Battlestar Galactica. Just my thoughts, can disregard if people wish.

[@kenstaten7451]

This has happened before and it will happen again

[@patricklyons794]

Time begins, and then Time ends And then Time begins once again It is happening now It has happened before It will surely happen Again.

[@queterian1526]

​@@patricklyons794Do you believe that time flows in cycles? That it is possible to learn the future by looking into the past

[@patricklyons794]

@@queterian1526 I don't think so. At least, I hope not. It fucks up self-determination. Because we would only be able to do what we had already done. We'd just be acting out our parts, and that's it.

[@Lyze]

'Everyone hang on to the lap bar please.' When committing genocide, safety first.

[@lionsjourney29]

The Hybrid is literally a damn autocomplete word spew

[@agamemnonn1]

And all of that happened because one “dude” had a serious case of self-loathing.

[@alexanderleach3365]

This was the end of the 12 Colonies of Cobol.

[@SicilianStealth]

"Caprica is Burning"

[@erichtomanek4739]

That was one issue I had with the new BSG series, very Caprica centric. Example: Why call the planet accidentally found, New Caprica? Why not New Kobol?

[@SicilianStealth]

@@erichtomanek4739 personally I would have called it "Bob."

[@derikmathers9295]

this video is so sad but brilliant. it could be so true,.

[@hippienixon2329]

Cool to see that the humies' first line of defense even in a best case scenario was going to be duking it out basically inside their own atmosphere. I guess given the apparent function of the jump drives in this verse there's not much else you could do other than parking your battleships so close to the surface that the enemy physically can't jump in behind them lest they crash.

[@edwardbtown2766]

Id like to have my own battlestar

[@erichtomanek4739]

The DeathBringer.

[@matthewteague623]

It wouldn't be the most practical vehicle to commute to the office. But you would get a lot of remarks about it at the water cooler.

[@BigTylt]

1:37 Should have thrown in an "I'm in" for good measure lol

[@bcmm1880]

Is this on an extended version or something? I watched the Plan but didn’t see a lot of this

[@darthplagueis4626]

No, but the moments seen here are interspersed with scenes of the Final Five (Cavill and Ellen in a bar, Anders at the training camp playing pyramid, etc.) I simply cut those all out to concentrate specifically on the Cylon attack.

[@bcmm1880]

@@darthplagueis4626 thats strange then, I never have seen the part with Valkyrie in it, was just the bombing

[@richardched6085]

@@bcmm1880 The Peacock Broadcast version lacks almost an hour of content. Tbh I think the original broadcast version flows a bit better. Though I would have kept the Valkyrie getting disabled...

[@PaulBrown-uj5le]

@@darthplagueis4626 what episode is this from?.

[@darthplagueis4626]

@@PaulBrown-uj5le Read the description.

[@ZeldaTheSwordsman]

I'm glad they did this sequence for _The Plan_. The way the miniseries showed but also didn't show the destruction was effective for horror, don't get me wrong, especially with how it evoked the news coverage of 9/11. But at the same time, it couldn't convey the multi-world scope of the disaster, or give a street-level look at the devastation (something the original series did).

[@davidhammond8143]

The best part of the flawed idea that was BSG 'The Plan'

[@darthplagueis4626]

What didn’t you like about “The Plan”?

[@richardched6085]

@@darthplagueis4626 Scale was a bit... Off lol. Which is understandable given the limited budget. I used to dislike it myself. But within the last few months I've grown to love it. RIP Dean Stockwell.

[@darthplagueis4626]

@@richardched6085 Ah. Yes, that certainly does show. From a storyline perspective though, I thought it was okay. And yes indeed, RIP Dean Stockwell. The series would not have been the same without him.

[@jamieolberding7731]

@@darthplagueis4626 What about the classic Battlestar Galactica TV Series? Can you please upload some of the space battles such as The Battle of Cimtar from that series starring the Late actor Richard Hatch?

[@richardched6085]

@@jamieolberding7731 Yes that one is 🔥🔥🔥🔥. The special effects were done by many of the same talented people that did those for Star Wars Episode IV A New Hope (1977). The story is excellent and concise. Unfortunately it lacked a true ending and had an awful sequel series that killed the franchise for 23 years.... Until TRS was made and truly established BSG as it's own brand of science fiction.

[@JustPippaNY]

I wonder why they didn't mention Gemenon or Sagittaron.

[@darthplagueis4626]

Possibly because Gemenon is in close proximity to Caprica and Sagittaron was thinly populated.

[@petedivine]

And here we are...the 4th turning and the over throw of the status quo.

[@KILLRAIN42]

So what is the track used in this during the attack called? Been trying to find it and can't yet.

[@darthplagueis4626]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZXLcpmsa9KJjc0&ab_channel=Battlefieldfilms

[@LauraS1]

I never did like the scene where the baseships are turning their arms to all point toward the planets. It's not like they have to aim their weapons in such a direct fashion. Their weaponry pretty much outclassed the Colonial weaponry and was much more advanced. It does look really cool to have them morph like that, though. As far as the Cylons went, while their technology outstripped that of the Colonials, their battle strategies were by consensus among all the extant models. Kind of hard to wage a good battle when so many actions have to be voted on, no matter how instantaneous the process. Their entire culture was built on unity and consensus between all the models. A model could dissent but until there was consensus, whatever it was they were voting on couldn't pass, or so canon goes. This weakness gave the humans just enough advantage to fight the Cylons to a standstill. It wasn't until the Cylons started infiltrating the Colonies for the second war that differences of opinion began to spread throughout Cylon culture. That's what eventually ended their unity and brought on their own internal civil war as models fought each other for control over their future. The models began to experience individuality for themselves and found it to be unnerving and messy and way too much like their human creators.

[@JohnSelth]

Iirc in some lore deal, the basestars turn so that they can skim the upper atmosphere.

[@cnealmartin]

My goodness....how rude of them.

[@arefenix2332]

This scene is more that it seems. The Cylons in theory are outnumbered agains the humans forces because the humans win the last war, and for that reasson the Cylons make the infiltration cylons, human like Cylons, like a robot but build with flesh, not like a Terminator, and can breed with humans. A couple of cylons put in selected position in all around of the diferent colonies and Gaius sold to all of the colonies the idea of a modern and conected and better operative system created for her Cylon infriltrated gilfriend that puts a back door in the program, for all of the defense sytems of the 12 colonies, and the old analogic tecnology became a relic, literally pieces of a museum. But in the first attack of the Second Cylon War only the relics fight, and the modern fighters and battlestar where disabled to then been destroied with best soldiers and tecnology of the time. Then they nuke the principal zones of people, clean with neutron bombs that kills living beens and plants, then they kill all of the survivors like in Terminator while using the women survivors to make more Cylon clones to then have the capacity to breed with humans and be one specie.The President was on Caprica and he surrend to the Cylon only not have no response, the military liders were on Picon and the repair and resuplay place of the colony forces was in the Shippiards of Scorpia, all of then were attacks coordinated at the same time to make the humanity fall without a war, making the survivors repet the exodus but in this case to the original Earth and then repet again.

[@Lilly-bo1mi]

0:53 Does Caprica have a middle-east Asia? I'm seeing the Persian Gulf, Barhain, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Turkey...

[@levitan71]

google engineer: i warned them.

[@aemiliadelroba4022]

This has happened before this will happen again ! maybe !

[@KevinDavis338]

Hope it doesn't happen again

[@andrewminter3450]

the only thing i wish was that we got to see some battle-star fighting

[@TrackerNeil]

A few things are weird about the Second Cylon War. 1) In the forty years since the first war, the Cylons managed to build an entire civilization, capable of producing dozens upon dozens of basestars, thousands of fighters, and the apparatus necessary to support an entire war effort, PLUS develop the skin jobs? Hmm... 2) If the Cylon fleet was as massive as this video seems to suggest, why did they bother infiltrating the CNP? They could have very possibly won a conventional war, particularly since they suffer little or no loss in battle experience, thanks to the resurrection ships. RDM and Company didn't really think this through.

[@ValiantWrestling]

Strange how the Raiders and Centurions have the newer designed style heads from the 4th season instead of the regular more rounded bullet style heads from the first three seasons...

[@jamesxiaolong2199]

I think they had both new and original designs in the finale, perhaps they simply had multiple types of Centurions.

[@kypdurron62]

Where does this footage come from? I don't recall it.

[@darthplagueis4626]

The extended version of Battlestar Galactica: The Plan.

[@bigbitehood1353]

2:28 ok so then... 1) why do it? And... 2) why make the centurions dumb if your plan is then to avenge them?

[@richardched6085]

They're avenging the Centurions of the first Cylon War of 40 years prior. The Humanoid Cylons dumbed down what models remained and inhibited newer models. Strange how they can't tell the difference between old and new Centurions...

[@logancook5261]

The dumb centurions is supposed to show how "it has all happened before and it will happen again." The humanoid cylons are making the same mistake humanity and many others did.

[@bluebay700]

This will be earth after a century of AI maturity. 😁

[@paulbeaney4901]

All of this power and potential, twisted in to a tool for vengeance and destruction. This is a warning, do not confuse the need for vengeance for the need for justice. They are not the same thing.

[@andrewnlarsen]

That applies to a lot of things in the present day in a wide variety of topics...

[@pathfinder2reality]

The attack was truly a world ending event. The only thing I think was done poorly is the representation of destruction on Colonial infrastructure. What we saw in BSG was just empty streets with building intact. Caprica city would've been leveled to the ground and yet Helo and Athena are walking through what looks like a deserted ghost town with almost no damage.

[@crusaderknight4792]

Im sure it was due to budgetary constraints but in the show I believe the explanation is that they used Neutron bombs which produce massive amounts of radiation but little actual explosive damage, hence keeping the infrastructure intact

[@perfectionbox]

"We could drop a single asteroid, or unleash a few viruses." "No... let's stretch things out and drop lots of nukes"

[@nordlawt8242]

Seems more practical to me. Nukes are easy to get around, and once you nuke a planet enough, it becomes uninhabitable. Viruses can be countered by quarantines, and asteroids require a lot of work to move around.

[@perfectionbox]

@@nordlawt8242 Yeah but these guys are AIs... they're post-Singularity life forms. Their technology would be far greater. Moving asteroids and creating viruses would be trivial for them. I don't even know why they would bother destroying humans, we'd be so far beneath their notice and not remotely present a threat.

[@johnwolf2349]

@@perfectionbox asteroids run into the problem of the colonials being a spacefaring civilization with a defence grid and fleet. To get an asteroid past you'd need to hack the defense network anyway and at that point you might as well do it yourself rather than waiting for an asteroid to get there.

[@jamesneese7663]

the problem is that there were twelve PLANETS involved. Not countries. Not continents. PLANETS. That is a LOT of territory to cover and NO way is foolproof when you are trying to wipe out twelve planets without either a Death Star or Vorlon/Shadow planet-killer. And a spacefaring race at that. The odds of getting "everyone" are unimaginably vast considering that NO weapon is perfect. Look at (unspecified contagion of unknown origin) the last 2 years. For all the talk and panic, it's actually killed less than 2% of the globe's population. In fact, despite the pandemic, world population CONTINUES to creep upwards! so the nukes weren't the best idea but likely the most satisfying to those who wanted the life form known as man TO BURN.

[@perfectionbox]

@@jamesneese7663 Think of a hundred different kinds of virus, all worse than Ebola and highly transmissable through air. There wouldn't be anything alive after a week, or nothing worth worrying about, anyway. And you first set off a few EMP blasts to fry the planet's Internet to make things a million times harder for the humans while they're dying. But an extinction level event asteroid drop would be child's play as well.

[@65mustang393]

Crowdstrike took down the colonies!!!

[@danmacneil1895]

Well see if the 3rd incantation comes out with a new approach!

[@erichtomanek4739]

It'll be WOKE. The Cylons will easily conquer the 12 million genders of the Colonies.

[@queterian1526]

if it comes out at all

[@mattdavis7876]

Talk about a nuclear winter! Very well done.

[@MichaelCasanovaMusic]

Frackin' toasters....

[@michaelgodbee5361]

Any idea how many bass ships are in opening image

[@darthplagueis4626]

Looks like at least 60.

[@GnaReffotsirk]

What happens when chatgpt is downloaded into AGI mainframe

[@murraymusic2633]

It's always some watery tart causing trouble!

[@Super165i]

@ 2:10 you see a red glow on the spaceship indicating that the Colonial defense grid was turned off by the Cylons

[@DieRatteNr.1]

Anybody know the name of the soundtrack in the background?

[@darthplagueis4626]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZXLcpmsa9KJjc0&ab_channel=Battlefieldfilms

[@michaelnolan6054]

I wonder if the Ship/Hybrid ever takes a milky shower when she wants out of her tub?

[@mrmike1884]

Here is a crazy idea. Sine this hapened 150,000 years ago. The Rebel Cylons went out and evolved some. They would evolve to become. The Borg. Just a crazy Idea.

[@darthplagueis4626]

Which would mean humanity broke out of the cycle and Starfleet was eventually formed.

[@mrmike1884]

@@darthplagueis4626 True., Also. If the Cylons did become The Borg. That means Humanities Children are still after us.

[@dmacbass]

I think there have been fanfics written with this premise.

[@josephlobosco3647]

If they going to reimagine Battlestar Galactica ,why not show a version of this scene where the cylons lose?

[@threalismaradona9899]

Frakking Toasters

[@erichtomanek4739]

At the end of BSG series all the people were spread over the earth not to over tax resources. There was only just over 30 thousand! Also, the people outside Africa became extinct with no descendents. Sad. And in Africa, did the Colonials jiggy jiggy with the natives?

[@THECHAOS111]

the ending was weird, it implied that literally everybody died without ever procreating except for hera who had potentially as few as 1 children and then died in her early 20's and was buried in an unmarked grave, and from her came the entire modern human race.

[@UGNAvalon]

Hers being Mitochondrial Eve doesn’t necessarily mean that all other settlements died out with no descendants. It just means that their descendants don’t cover ALL of humanity. Hera’s descendants needed Someone to hook up with, after all.

[@JoryMcDaniel]

You know, I've always wondered if there was some kind of Colonial Navy (like... US Navy) on Picon that continued the fight, Terminator Judgement Day style, against the Cylons. It would make a lot of sense.

[@JohnG44]

There probably was, but they would get hit first in the opening attacks.

[@iantolyczak8411]

Anyone notice Sixes silver case on the table?

[@cameraman655]

Just send in Kirk and the Enterprise.

[@brianrogers7360]

Picard would have faired better with either the D or the E.

[@pablorodriguezcabrera6231]

He wasn't born yet.

[@dmacbass]

@@brianrogers7360 Not sure about that. Picard's ships are big and pack a mean punch, but I've always gotten a "they don't build them like they used to" vibe from TNG when it comes to toughness.

[@brianrogers7360]

@@dmacbass Kirk's ship would not fare well against the Raiders, but might do good against the Basestars. Whereas Picards ship would be good all around.

[@dmacbass]

@@brianrogers7360 I'm assuming you're talking about the rapid point defense mode on TNG phaser arrays, and you're right about those being able to massacre Raiders. However, I don't think Raider squadrons could do anything to the original Big E without nukes, and even their nukes are small compared to photon torpedoes. I still like Kirk's chances.

[@paddy7812]

Surely there would have been some ground assets?? Armor units, troops would have survived and offered some resistance!!

[@jamesxiaolong2199]

Sure but unless they were on Caprica they probably didn’t survive the occupation.

[@paddy7812]

@@jamesxiaolong2199 I’m talking about the initial invasion.

[@jamesxiaolong2199]

@@paddy7812 wait Cylon Craft or Colonial Craft?

[@esto85]

i hope ChatGPT will do this soon

[@babylon5reimaginedseries]

Around the 0:48 mark isn't that Qatar and the Middle East the Cylons are attacking on the planet below?!?!

[@nfldend501]

Is this from the plan?

[@darthplagueis4626]

Yes.

[@archades115]

Caprica at 0:50... That is Earth. Specifically the Middle East, Arabia, Iran, and the surrounding seas. I wonder if it was just lazy CGI... Or done on purpose?

[@tpl608]

Let the show speak for itself and not cut and dice shots

[@snowqueen9736]

Interesting

[@michaelgodbee5361]

How many cylon capital ships any guess

[@warwolf3005]

Colonials had 120 battlestars at the start of the second war, and each battlestar is worth about 2 baseships in terms of firepower. In lore, Cylon fleet was too weak to be able to match the Colonials in 1 to 1 combat. They designed the new baseships for one thing only - mass suprise attack (and why they sucked in any other situation). I find it unlikely there's more than 200-300 baseships in their fleet.

[@craigmartinj]

If what they were doing was just "GOD" as even they define him wouldn't have given them so many chances to not do it again and again but they did. Yet they don't see it.

[@TurKlack]

Why did the Cylons start that War anyways? The first war was over, they've gained their freedom............ So what? Just leave each other alone and live in peace for god sake. No seriously, I hate the premise of the series. Live, evolve, come back in friendship. Space is gigantic. unimaginably so. Just... fucking leave the other side be.

[@darthplagueis4626]

Revenge...I guess? Each season the writers added more backstory, which didn't all harmonize. I suppose ultimately John can considered the most at fault.

[@msjhudson2049]

WHAT THE FARK IS SHE TALKING ABOUT?

[@logancook5261]

Nonsense. But will ocasinaly drop a line about Kara Thrace the harbinger of death

[@williammay5300]

Battlestar Galactica 1978 is the real deal.

[@mr.spongylikeaboss4987]

It was... for kids. This is the BSG for Grownups!

[@Species5008]

@@mr.spongylikeaboss4987 I disagree. This version needs to be flushed like every other turd

[@randymoyan7871]

@@Species5008 but here you are replying about the reimagined series that you must have watched no? All you have to do is rewatch the original with the kids fluffy story lines. There fixed it for you.

[@brianrogers7360]

The original series was designed in the late 70's. They couldn't have had the dark feel of the new Galactica. I found it strange that the new Galactica was not as advanced as the original Galactica was. But this series has grown on me

[@KevinDavis338]

@@brianrogers7360 there is no way in hell that the network would have allowed this version of BSG back then.

[@jcwg8314]

Fucking horrifying

[@Chrine]

Whiny robots with small minds. They had jump drives, they had resurection technology. They could have just left that galaxy and been done with it. "They hurt us, so we have to hurt them" So much for the more evolved robot species. The Cylon who whined about having a human body. Why not create a better form and move your consciousness to that?? Soo many stupid choices done by the Cylons. The writing could have been soo much better. Or the story in general could have been better. The ending was soo bad.

[@darthplagueis4626]

That was the point. The Cylons ended up being more human than they cared to admit, which meant they acted in very human ways, aka stupid, emotion-driven decisions.

[@michaelmajewski8796]

Ok. So what would have been the greater writing/character points and what would have been the conflict of the story worth telling?

[@honzasenbauer612]

Cylons were flawed, thats what makes the relatable, and also it makes them more interesting. Would you care for them if they were perfect machines that would do anything they wanted? I don't think so. They would be unstopabble and because of that, you wouldn't see them as something that the humans can overcome or run away from, because the cylons would get them eventually, the road would just be one thing only. Cylons going in, fleet jumping away, Galactica protecting the fleet. In every encounter, Galactica would loose ammo and Vipers with their Pilots. Eventually, Galactica runs out of pilots and Vipers to be effective against Baseships and Raiders, so Cylons will overrun them. End of series, the conflict would be one sided, winner Cylons and we would know it from the very first moment. But if they have flaws, just like every software and hardware existing, they would fail in something, humans can outsmart them, or outmaneuver them. They are still a giant threat, but there is a way to get rid of them. Crew of the Galactica has hope, Pilots will fight harder because of that hope, because of the possibility they can win, because if they do not, they are all dead. With a great enemy, the humans will give their best fighting them and thats how they survive. Pilots giving their lives for the possibility of ending the cylons once and for all, so they can live in peace. Thats why the show was so good.

[@Lightsoul1987]

It was primarily the hatred of the John Cavils, especially the Cavil leader, that was behind this attack. Cavil hates his own existence for being designed by the Final 5 in this human form, which he feels makes it impossible for him to realize his full potential as a machine. “I don’t want to be human. I want to see gamma rays, I want to hear X-rays, and I want to smell dark matter. Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can’t even express these things properly, because I have to-I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid, limiting spoken language, but I know I want to reach out with something other than these prehensile paws, and feel the solar wind of a supernova flowing over me. I’m a machine, and I can know much more. -John Cavil, Cylon Model Number One, “No Exit”

[@honzasenbauer612]

@@Lightsoul1987 Cavil hated, but the rest were children that never saw a parental figure other than humans and so they went in their example trying to destroy them because humans tried to destroy the cylons. It was well conected