The Daily Show - Gun Control Whoop-de-doo (ft. John Oliver)

Following the Senate's defeat of the Manchin-Toomey amendment, John Oliver tests the theory that government-mandated gun control doesn't work.
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[@Azulmine]

"Right." "Right." "Right.... That's ... my point." I'm sobbing

[@ezekielanderson9055]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpPOf3ylf5JsoLs Just throwing this out there

[@rafidhaque8791]

haha... "That's my point"... killed me

[@sjdando]

amazing interview

[@MultiMemich]

"Let me think about that for a minute"

[@Zwangsworkaholic]

yep, and his face was just falling apart :D

[@Ed_Crane]

No matter how many times I rewatch it, it still kills me. ^^

[@jannatkl91]

Gun control won't work in america because they are taught aggression from a very young age. They are just aggressive people. Look what happened in Sandy hook elementary, small babies died, but still they are so aggressive in keeping their arms. They are proud of their ultra-aggressive nature, their wildness.

[@petniels]

"so, there's no point in having any laws against drugs then ?" "uuuhm, let me think about that for a sec." best part of that interview.

[@matrixman8582]

There is no point

[@antidamageable]

Exactly. Drug laws are aimed at demographics that people in power feel like they need to control through an overbearing justice system. Drug laws are never enforced on rich white kids who clearly deal and take drugs as part of everyday life. It's exactly the same for gun laws. They were aimed at disarming black people at a time when black people were arming for self-defense, but unfortunately banning guns has become a fairy tale that promises all kind of utopian peace, when in reality banning guns achieves pretty much nothing.

[@FBI-ju5no]

@@antidamageable Not entirely true.

[@20deepini]

@@FBI-ju5no yeah but tbh, close enough. The drug war is a failure.

[@FBI-ju5no]

@@20deepini It is a failure, make no mistake. However, rich white kids do get punished for various drug related offenses. Also, and this is only my opinion, I kinda doubt that drug laws were specifically designed to target anyone in particular, or to disarm anyone either. Logically speaking, how exactly would drug laws prevent anyone from arming themselves? You need excessive finances to do both, so for the common people, you really have to do one or the other. If anything, it seems like such laws would motivate people to give up on the drugs, and start arming themselves more. Like I said, this is just my opinion, and I'll never claim to be an expert on this subject, but it doesn't seem like what the commenter I was responding to suggested, at least not in total.

[@ArgieGrit]

I love how he accidentally tumbled into the right conclusion.

[@NazriB]

Lies again? Control oil

[@ezekielanderson9055]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpPOf3ylf5JsoLs Just throwing this out there

[@obione9650]

a broken clock is right twice a day also that man is insane

[@CheezSamuri]

thos extra blinks spoke louder than him

[@hobbesthegoblin]

"OK OK OK I see it all so clearly now.... We should outlaw private pools."

[@TheAwesome45]

"We don't do background checks for the first amendment." That doesn't make sense.

[@handsome_man69]

+Awesome 45 lol. exactly

[@JacobWheaton]

+Awesome 45 Hes a gun supporter, I expected worse to be honest.

[@codzomz]

Yep... Cause, ha know, all those mass killings by using your VOICE! This isn't just stupid, this is... Advanced stupid...

[@brettbaxter9497]

+codzomz people kill people not gubs

[@brettbaxter9497]

+[Sample Text] *guns

[@TheRealBeatMaster]

Seeing someone with such a dumb point being so cleanly and reasonably defeated is very satisfying

[@DoesTheNetWork]

TheRealBeatMaster Do you know why there is the second Amendment?

[@TheRealBeatMaster]

Pvt Torres Because that's how the 18th century worked

[@dani4ever]

''That's my point'' is one of the funniest things I've ever heard on a TV show. Context makes everything.

[@Marqan]

The problem is that it doesn't work. People are entitled to their stupidity, regardless of how many lives it claims... even people in his position. I feel really sorry anyone with common sense living in the US, must be torture to think about all this..

[@MackHopkins]

Marqan it does work. Why are you saying it doesn't work, it clearly worked in Australia. You are no different than the man being interviewed by Oliver.

[@JadedLibs]

Someone give this man his own show and some Emmys.

[@meganfaith4052]

And a Peabody award

[@ifeoluwaadeoye6557]

hold my beer, Whoop-de-do

[@roseandstem8054]

@@ToddHowar.d Right over your head huh

[@ToddHowar.d]

Roseand Stem I see now I’ve been r/woosh’d, damn it

[@matthiaseriklutge8652]

and his own award for helping koalas who fucked to much

[@lizageorge8923]

2:49 "mass shootings are rare anyhow" Woop-dee-do we just had two in a day.

[@michaelotis223]

Thats..........progress?! 🤭

[@hidragon.3096]

Its evolving, just backwards.

[@TheSm1thers]

Shootings are due to mental illness and poverty. Guns don't kill people. People kill people.

[@lukepimblott7141]

@@TheSm1thers people kill people But with guns

[@TheSm1thers]

@@lukepimblott7141 Yeah but they don't kill people because of guns.

[@daitos1955]

I was effectively in Australia in 1996 when the Port Arthur massacre happened. The vast majority of Australians agreed that the government HAD to get rid of the guns. Of course the USA is another "planet" altogether.

[@BrinedCarrot]

I live in the US and can confirm that we are indeed another planet. Our country's intelligence has gone to absolute shit and manipulating citizens is the easiest thing in the world for government and large corporations. Trump is the perfect example. So is gun control. Mind if I move to Australia with you? :)

[@daitos1955]

There's a scene from "The American President" where Michael Douglas (as president Andrew Sheppard) says that to win elections in the US you have to make people afraid of something and tell them who to blame for it (Doesn't that ring a bell?? Trump maybe??)

[@daitos1955]

....actually I said I WAS in Australia. I live in Perú now. :-)

[@daitos1955]

Totally rings a bell...and proofs my point...US IS another planet.

[@PantherBlast]

Yep! It was extremely effective! So effective that people found other ways of killing each other, yay!

[@Ed_Crane]

"But in the real world, with real people, it doesn't work". I know most americans frightenly suck at geography, but this goes beyond words...

[@langolodelladistopia6171]

sorry becouse apparently 90% of the world is NOT the real world. Is funny to live in fictional world

[@masonh4309]

Every time someone says “Americans suck at geography” it makes me sad :( ... Ik it’s true, but as a geography finatic who is American, it makes me sad lol

[@blushingfrieza]

@@masonh4309 imagine how muslims who abhor terrorism feel 😑

[@masonh4309]

S†. Clou† lol. How do u mean?

[@blushingfrieza]

@@masonh4309 the Americans being fat and bad at subjects is a sucky stereotype, but it must suck to have a detrimental stereotype.

[@hridaymehta5782]

I hope that guy doesn't treat his guns the way he treats his arguments. He clearly shot himself in the foot there, and then massacred himself completely.

[@TheRealYTIAN]

Yeah but thats no Problem The more guns the more accidents with Guns totally normal to him

[@Shuizid]

It's an idiot, making arguments for idiots, to fill some air so other idiots can keep blocking any kind of meaningful legislation to have a group of amoral a-holes (who might be idiots) can keep making money. In other words: He doesn't need to make good arguments. Because back then, just as today, it's not about rational thoughts and arguments.

[@pperry6715]

@@Shuizid It was always about rational thought. The idea that you could protect everyone with simple laws is secondary to personal liberty. They say gun control worked in Australia but did it actually lower crime? No it didn't and the us is 14x larger than them, yet has fewer rapes. They also still have shootings over there, so it is a failure. Criminals still have guns and law abiding citizens don't.

[@Shuizid]

@@pperry6715 The US has fewer "reported" rapes. Doesn't mean less rapes are happening. And did you know, that before commiting a crime, a criminal is actually a law-abiding cirizen? So if a law-abiding citizen buys a gun and then commits a crime, we got a criminal with a gun. If law abiding citizen cannot buy guns, they would need to become criminals first BEFORE having a gun just for trying to buy it. And buying things on the black market is a lot harder than buying something at Walmart. Hence gun control would significantly reduce the number of criminals with guns. Also who cares about law-abiding citizens having guns? Does it in any way reduce crimes? Well no, the US has a high crime-rate, as well as a high rate of mass-shootings. Gun ownership doesn't make anything better - talking about failures xD

[@pperry6715]

@@Shuizid You have no idea what you're talking about. You know nothing of the connected in this country and the way guns are moving. I have seen it first hand, it isn't as hard to get black market guns are you think it is. Also, they have shootings in Australia, that means it is a failure! Why, because they cannot legally go into the store and buy them anymore, yet criminals seem to have them. Here's another tip for you, being a criminal comes down to intent. If they purchased the gun to commit the crime, they've already premeditated it and thus they have criminal intent. Law Abiding Citizens do not buy guns with the idea they're going to shoot somebody as soon as they get it. I know tons of people that have at least 4 different guns, not one of them has ever shot anyone with them or committed any crimes. They do not deserve to be punished because people think these laws work, they don't! Also, the second amendment wasn't just about protecting people from others.

[@Sukhraj_Sekhon]

"Mass shootings are really rare anyhow" YIKES... REALLY DID NOT AGE WELL

[@MrOuchiez]

I LOVE how Sacha Baron Cohen exposed this lunatic on his Showtime series "This Is America". He made certain that no one will have to listen and/or see this dolt ever again.

[@complexteo-iwnl3321]

HAVENT SEEN ANY IN LONG TIME

[@vorducas]

In the words of John Oliver, "Are you fucking kidding me?"

[@vorducas]

Davis Moniz WOOPTY FUCKING DOO

[@sirswift23]

Vorducas Zizroth Woopty flamin doo....

[@teunisswart1390]

Vorducas Zizroth 2015 and still no mass shootings. WOOPTY DOO.

[@jeffreylafleur1681]

Teunis Swart 2011 Hectorville siege

[@theantipope4354]

+Jeffrey Lafleur That wasn't a mass shooting.

[@hskatkat]

It's a good thing that this guy is equipped with automatic guns because he shot himself in the foot repeatedly in rapid succession.

[@yamitaicho9100]

I find it sad that in America some people think voting is a privilege and owning a gun is a right when it clearly should be the other way around

[@billyjean8057]

It’s cause it’s not in the bill of rights😂 which tbh when the bill of rights was made only white landowning men would vote! So we listening to a bunch of 200 year old racist mynsoginist white men

[@slayerfan209]

Wrong. They both are and should be cemented as completely inalienable rights except for cases of extreme mental illness in the case for guns. Felon or not, it should not make you no longer capable of exercising either right.

[@joshuaoverlord5327]

Voting is a right to citizens.

[@browngaymethodistjesuschri1361]

@@slayerfan209no country respects you

[@vexxama]

New NRA slogan “Our feelings don’t care about your facts”

[@user-fr2mw3sj2x]

@Kevin the Duck what kinda math is that dude?

[@sambowles9746]

@Kevin the Duck wtf are you on about?

[@sambowles9746]

New NRA slogan “Whoop-de-do!”

[@sambowles9746]

@Kevin the Duck your clarification is as illiterate as your initial comment

[@LolLol-zr9jc]

Guns are necessary to protect your liberties, you moron.

[@cordeliamay3992]

John Oliver's an international treasure!

[@CherryBlossomOhka]

He belongs to America now.

[@gezzaschannel]

@@CherryBlossomOhka you can keep him, but you have to keep james cordyn too

[@dicklong8275]

Cordelia May John Oliver is a fucken idiot

[@str2010]

Personally I prefer Russell Howard

[@str2010]

@@dicklong8275 k boomer

[@thesaltyspittoon6867]

The problems with the second amendment: •It was designed in the 1700s when all that was available were muskets, meaning that a small militia army could genuinely rival the authority of the government if they felt they were abusing their power. Now the government have drones, tanks, fighter jets, anti-aircraft weapons... The people really cant fight back anymore... • while its true that some people want guns to protect themselves, putting special laws on guns would make it much harder for criminals to get guns, meaning you wouldn't need them... Also the average gun owner is 70-80% more likely to use the gun on themselves (purposefully or accidentally) then to use it on an intruder or attacker.

[@ryanhunt2727]

***** you, sir, are a Moron.

[@jo3ld0wn]

***** maybe the army wouldn't, but your police forces seem more than happy to take up the shack

[@ratofvengence]

***** So much misinformation. Firstly, if the "US military will never attack it's own citizens" why do you need to arm yourself against them? Secondly, Australia didn't ban firearms, we restricted them. We have as many guns now as we did before the buybacks, but for the most part they aren't in the hands of idiots, unlike in the US as we see in the news every 4 to 6 weeks when the next shooting massacre happens.

[@brainboy109]

***** Are are you really comparing the American people to those living in Iraq? Nice comparison.

[@68Boca]

***** hmmm, you DO have massacres every 4 to 6 weeks. but, besides that, your last sentence is important, but you don't realise it. Yet. Basically, there would be almost no need to stop "the bad guy" with a "carry", if you had reasonable gun control. Your failure to see this, is mind boggling! Oh! I forgot, Americans don't understand irony. And this is without even mentioning, domestic violence murders, suicides and assaults with a gun.

[@SparrowwithaMachinegun]

"You wanna buy some death sticks?" "You don't want to sell me death sticks... You want to go home and re-think your life" "I want to go home and re-think my life"

[@UnofficialCyane]

Nice

[@nanoqht285]

Nice

[@maazkalim]

Great lobbying!

[@ToddHowar.d]

4:02 jesus John you didn’t need to murder the guy. His soul just left his body on air.

[@laneythelame]

"Even his logic is bulletproof" Thank God this guy got his own show...just genius.

[@patg9754]

As an Aussie i am so appalled at my lack of freedom and how dangerous it is here, oh well might go for a bbq, then a few beers at the pub and stroll home after midnight to get over it.

[@jasonprozinski8347]

dangerous compared to where?

[@patg9754]

Tasmania

[@lockskombi]

As an aussie I am appalled that you think Australians are not free and that you think it's more dangerous then America. Wow

[@patg9754]

Andrew Lock turn your sarcasm detector on and read my 1st post again :)

[@johnkelly1083]

Well it's 2022 and that aged well...

[@Giby86]

5 years later and we're still hearing the same old stupid points.

[@typicalwisconsinite9719]

Giby86 6 now 😂

[@1ZodiacKiller]

7 now .. And I am pretty sure it will be the same in another 7 years

[@laurimario]

Giby86 move to Australia

[@Giby86]

@@laurimario Why should I? I'm perfectly happy in Europe.

[@davidbrown180]

Other countries have already figured this shit out gun laws. Sweden figured out you can have guns and be safe. Universal health care 32 other countries have figured it out. Are country is one of the most corrupt countries in the world democrat or republican they all on the corporate dime. You call them perdue pharma I call them drug cartel.

[@isabellas2]

The fact that this man was destroyed by John Oliver but still had the hubris to talk to Sacha Baron Cohen is astounding

[@DaaaahWhoosh]

All I want is the right to carry a sword. Until that happens, I have no sympathy for people with guns.

[@nathanbandstra6390]

are you not allowed to?

[@garrettholland664]

DaaaahWhoosh you have that right

[@DaaaahWhoosh]

Yeah guys, it's definitely illegal to carry around a sword in the US. In most states you can't carry a knife longer than your hand.

[@Talyrion]

... the link you provided could actually be summed up by "most of the time, it is illegal to carry swords". Well, I suppose I can understand the logic. Especially when it comes to katanas. I mean, those are notoriously overpowered. How could any guns protect you from those?

[@thedaegiovanni]

Texas has open sword carry laws now, i believe.

[@2valu4ever]

We live in Australia, we know our way of life. We know for sure we would come home at the end of the day without some random stranger shooting at us. I can't say the same about you Americans though. You can say whatever you want with your bullshit statistics. All of that have nothing on the real experience we as Australians live day to day. And to be quite frank, I feel sorry for you. It must be shit to live in a state of constant fear and paranoia.

[@crazypants88]

Yeah you realize that despite any law, a person is capable of shooting you in Australia. Since general gun ownership is still allowed, there's nothing to assume that you can't be shoot in Australia. I mean I'd call it lazy logic but even that would be a major compliment to that rambling.

[@Marily2511]

Come take our underclass back to Australia with you, along with their weapons. Then we will see who wants gun control. Watch them proliferate like, shall we say, rabbits. But they are not rabbits, so no rabbit fence. Let them bring your country down, while you observe it all, helplessly, because they are human and you cannot force learning on them. Learning is about the only thing our country has to offer that our underclass does not willingly grab.

[@ratofvengence]

Marilyn Huston Do you not wonder why this 'underclass' you speak of is there? And why they are so heavily armed?

[@Marily2511]

I have noticed that the young ones promote learning and trying to learn as "acting white." And I've noticed that many white kids emulate the black ways;, my grandson, Joe, included. I have noticed that they like to be praised for unpraiseworthy behavior, and an "in your face attitude." I have noticed that some among them like to brandish guns and hop around while high, including the one who tried to rob my store , pointing a gun at me and dragging me backward down an aisle, knocking my clerk down and scaring her with threats. I was 70 years old at the time, but got away from him. He ran after me yelling, "Stop, I'll shoot!" Inept, he was. I hope he took up some other line of work. // I am glad he had a gun and not a knife. "They" buy guns but they can't buy bullets.

[@CorporateEvolution]

Marilyn Huston I remember when that didn't happen in Australia. Good times.

[@joshdavis4168]

I love the absolute fact that at the end of the interview, after the absolute murder of the mans logic against gun control, John did what we call a “double tap” when the man himself put out logic that proved gun control would work... Absolute madlad

[@Most0riginalUsername]

"No way to prevent this" says only country where this happens regularly Love that Onion title. What a tragedy

[@joshuaoverlord5327]

Only country with freedom

[@roebuckpayne]

4:12 -John is amazed at his ability to intellectually walk this guy off of a cliff

[@SKa-tt9nm]

Roebuck Payne so good

[@eatmoremusic3650]

What a tee up

[@dakotawidenor9283]

When people were dying because of car accidents, did we say "give them more cars."? Of course not. We ,made cars and roads safer. We created signs, lights, speed limits to control and regulate traffics. We made strict laws you had to obey, created traffic ofificers to make sure you were following the law, and pnsihments if you broke those laws. And it worked, mortality rate involving cars went down. Why are we refusing to do the same with guns?

[@lilldavid6903]

spud So australia is authoritarian?

[@1911GreaterThanALL]

"When people were dying because of car accidents, did we say "give them more cars."? Of course not." Car ownership is among record numbers. Guns are no different. In either case you are limited to how much money you have not that people are giving people cars they are buying them. "We ,made cars and roads safer. We created signs, lights, speed limits to control and regulate traffics." Yet vehicle deaths exceed gun deaths even though vehicles are regulated more than firearms. Vehicles are inherently more dangerous than guns. "And it worked, mortality rate involving cars went down." It has been going back up. The rate of DUIs have increased and vehicle fatalities have been going up due to incompetence and/or negligence. Firearms deaths that have been increasing are homicides and suicides. "Why are we refusing to do the same with guns?" Mainly because it is dubious to prove that previous attempt at gun controls worked. The federal ban on assault weapons for example 94-04 was completely ineffective at reducing gun homicide or mass shootings. The average for that date range is slightly higher than average.

[@1911GreaterThanALL]

@@lilldavid6903 "australia is authoritarian?" favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom. When it comes to firearms absolutely.

[@lilldavid6903]

1911GreaterThanALL Yeah, my comment is hard to get, but it was satirical and followed American logic when it comes to Gun controll (I’m european)

[@j-wizzhathorn674]

We could be friends.

[@wazzap898]

Hey just here to comment that 10 years later this is as relevant as ever!

[@user-uz6bi5st7t]

Man that's just sad

[@Tonyhouse1168]

Whoop de do ):

[@jorgeverq89]

Well done, professor Duncan.

[@wilftarkin1702]

"So, unless we can completely get rid of drugs, there's no point in having drug laws at all?" Pure pwnage.

[@lordloki86]

Reading through the comments I'm aghast that people, after watching this video, are STILL advocating gun rights... SERIOUSLY, ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE?????

[@beeb2467]

aghast that people would take this comedy sketch for facts. Capt. Kirk is pro gun and did a nice add for it trecky. Ghandi and the Dahli Lama advocate gun rights too but if comedy central spins it then who is insane? You and 10 others are

[@lordloki86]

bee bendover its a comedy sketch backed up by facts... didn't you watch the video?

[@lordloki86]

Right because assault weapons with 30+ ammo clips which can fire over 460-900 RPM is perfect for those things you just described...

[@ratofvengence]

curbstomper7009 We have all those things in Australia. We also have gun control, no shooting massacres and a homicide rate a fraction of the US.

[@brianbirc]

curbstomper7009 Nothing is insane about that what is insane is a government that can deny you the ownership of a gun for the purpose of defending you and your family from intruders in your own home AND adding laws to make sure you cant get a gun and load it in time if you did own one for another reason. They make it so hard that shooters and hunters are givfing up the sport and gunshops have been run out of biz. You fools have been bamboozeled.

[@basketca2]

"Let me think about that for a minute." You should have thought about all of this for a few minutes before starting your crusade.

[@Tyrfingr]

4:46 ... That empty stare that said "I'll... Just shut up now..." 😂

[@OsofoGriot]

John's faces of pure astonishment make this even funnier

[@jesusfreak777ize]

"we don't have background checks for the First Amendment" ... what

[@Two-for-One_half-off]

Greetings from the future. Watching this after the Parkland Florida High School shooting on Valentines Day 2018. Still no meaningful Gun Control in the US. Sorry,

[@ugheieiemmmfmfmff]

@Kevin the Duck Then explain how Australia unfucked itself after it had a mass shooting? Should we just have zero constraints on gun ownership, allowing anyone to get one and to use it even for nefarious intent? What do we do? Do we let mass shootings go on and on in this great nation, or should we do something about it?

[@DCPhoto]

So good, you gotta miss the daily show with all of those geniuses

[@landonhigginbotham6107]

Cesar what you’re saying just isn’t true. You’re horribly miss informed.

[@youngsandwich2792]

Cesar why so delusional¿¿¿😂😂

[@-BuddyGuy]

@@landonhigginbotham6107 Yeah it's so wrong, what you actually have to do is go to a gun show, and not tell people your plan. A watertight way to make mass shootings impossible.

[@muddyhotdog4103]

@@-BuddyGuy Just stop. You know what he's saying. And for those who don't.. Well Cesar was saying "anyone" could go to a shop and get military weapon; -without an I.D/license, with no background check.. And that's all pretty much false. You DO need a background check and an ID to do that background check. I guess you can say that you can get something "like" a military weapon, but it's still not the same. And you can do the same with many other firearms whether being "military like" or not.

[@-BuddyGuy]

@@muddyhotdog4103 Note that I said show, not shop. And you pro gun maniacs can't see the wood for the trees. These details don't matter. All you want is your right to blow away your wife and kids if you forget your meds, and all we want is to add a couple of checks and balances here and there to make it just a touch less easy to do that. An AR-15 is a military style weapon because in most countries only the military would carry such a weapon. Without any political brainwashing that should be obvious. So I put it to you sir that YOU are the one who is being disingenuous.

[@lukeusername]

We should wait around doing nothing for 90 days. #HaveAWank

[@Stabsnipers]

"There is no point to having drug laws at all." Exactly, John. Exactly.

[@20woody11]

Perhaps they shouldn't be criminalized, but they should definitely be regulated. Drugs, that is.

[@M3TALG0DS]

LEGALISE IT!!!

[@SuAva]

Pissed my pants at that Philip guy. Slowly seeing the lightbulb above his head start glowing, then dimming again :D

[@VicedRhino]

Oh look, almost a decade later, and still 100% relevant. I wish this video weren't so evergreen.

[@mattm6846]

No drownings in backyards without pools, lol classic

[@matsta177]

Johns face when he says that though. 4:23

[@Isvaffelx]

Sadly, this is still very relevant. *Le sigh*

[@Baaagel]

You did not just say "le sigh"

[@Isvaffelx]

*Le sigh* Whoops, I did it again.

[@Baaagel]

2010 called

[@Isvaffelx]

Hello? Yes, this is dog.

[@benji_kay]

why can't Misha just be president

[@rjkral]

You can't make this stuff up! 'Onya Australia! Meanwhile I weep for the USA, and the innocent students here that continue to lose their lives. What a tragic loss

[@TimStamper89]

"That's... that's my point" Jesus that was brilliant

[@DizzyDior12]

"That's my point."

[@finchcarvingadiamond]

The look John stewart gave at the end was like of a proud Jedi master

[@bellerophon-]

@Achmed Seldomsinsobar except that wasn't Jon Stewart but John Oliver...

[@joehayes5442]

@@bellerophon- you obviously didn’t watch the end because that was John Stewart, host of the daily show.

[@TheRandomBassist]

This will always be one of my favourite videos of all time.

[@Urxryzudzruzzrirzruzuztutzitz]

Colin Nuar debunked a lot of this.

[@Bri32675]

⁠@@Urxryzudzruzzrirzruzuztutzitz 1) You spelt his name wrong. 2) He criticized Trevor Noah from the Daily Show about this topic.

[@Urxryzudzruzzrirzruzuztutzitz]

@@Bri32675 I meant gun control arguements in general. I'll do one now. " only the police should have guns " What the police think of civilians owning guns : "Contrary to what the mainstream media and certain politicians would have us believe," writes Police One Editor in Chief Doug Wyllie, "police overwhelmingly favor an armed citizenry, would like to see more guns in the hands of responsible people, and are skeptical of any greater restrictions placed on gun purchase, ownership, or accessibility." The most telling results are these: What effect do you think a federal ban on manufacture and sale of some semi-automatic firearms, termed by some as "assault weapons," would have on reducing violent crime? Response Percent Response Count Significant 1.6% or 227 Moderate 6.0% or 885 None 71.0% or 10,397 Negative 20.5% or 3,004 Unsure 0.9% or 129 answered question14,642 4 of 17 6. Do you think a federal ban on manufacture and sale of ammunition magazines that holdmore than 10 rounds would reduce violent crime? ResponsePercent ResponseCount Yes 2.7% or 391 No 95.7% or 14,013 Unsure 1.6% or 238 answered question14,642 7. Do you think that a federal law prohibiting private, non-dealer transfers of firearmsbetween individuals would reduce violent crime? ResponsePercentResponseCount Yes 11.5% or 1,684 No 79.7% or 11,663 Unsure 8.8% or 1,295 answered question14,642 If you were Sheriff or Chief, how would you respond to more restrictive gun laws? ResponsePercentResponseCount Not enforce and join in the.public, vocal opposition effort 44.9% or 6,440 Not enforce and quietly leadagency in opposite direction 17.2% or 2,468 Enforce and publicly support theproposed legislation 7.9% or 1,132 Enforce and quietly lead agency insupport of legislation 10.0% or 1,440 Unsure 20.0% or 2,869 answered question14,349

[@devayudhdasgupta9]

At 4:04 I was legit afraid this guy would suddenly pull out his gun and blow John's brain out coz he was losing the argument

[@Mr.BoogieWoogie]

#Whoop-de-doo

[@SwordTune]

2018 Still Whoop-de-fucking-do-ing

[@adamborison3054]

He should have replied pointing out that the point of pools isn't to drown people.

[@TheAllomen]

+Adam Borison I'm gonna help you out here: "and the point of guns is?" exactly... guns were invented with the express thought of killing people... that logic doesn't apply.

[@kagekitsune4740]

+All Omen the point of guns were... to hunt game so your family wouldn't starve? And just somewhere along the way people found it to be a good murder people.

[@reallifeloli6388]

Guns mostly serve as a protection mechanism. This is common sense. Why police services? They are not carrying guns to commit murders or assassinate people. That's actually the main use for guns in our societies. Newsflash for the mentally rétarded: Citizens would want to carry guns because a cop is too heavy. Only the typical childish millennial hippie inside the rètarded liberal bubble echo chamber would conclude guns are a harmful thing that exists to harm people. You can't un-invent guns either btw. Newsflash: Compared to gun owners, American cops are three times more likely to commit murder. There are not enough to patrol the streets in any major city and much less to handle crime. Fought in court to avoid their duty to protect citizens, and won. America constitutes 5% of the world, but possess 25% of world's felons. 3/4 for non violent crimes. And prisons are run by corporations. *The idea that cops are going to protect the poor, or the typical man-children hippie is seriously laughable.* Libtards "think" that just because we live in the future and it ain't 1776 anymore, we don't need a firearm, and "think" the government is out there to serve the public. They are immature, self-righteous, entitled, emotional, triggered, hippies who want parental governments to take care of their SJW lives from cradle to grave.

[@ruthiemuqatach5942]

No the point of guns is to win wars by killing people. The only reason the 2nd amendment exists is for our right for a militia so that the gov't doesn't get too perverse

[@stevenstiffler6848]

Ruthie Muqatach you do realize your government has nukes, tanks and drones right? Do you really think a bunch of hillbillies with double barrels can do jack shit if the government decides to take over?

[@tanvikejriwal1]

I died when he called America a planet.

[@jasonross2513]

Every law has been broken, therefore we should have no laws! Perfect

[@Zenobiwan]

the argument of "i have a gun for self-defense/home defence" never really made sense to me, there are alternative ways to protect yourself without having to resort to kill another person; there is pepperspray, stun-guns, and even blunt objects like a night-stick. And if honest to god, you really need your gun, submit to a background check, psych-evaluation, less than 10-round capacity magazine, waiting period, offer a legitimate reason to need one, and none of this open carry BS

[@ratofvengence]

BackFromTanagra How dare they! What do they think they are doing, trying to reduce a third world homicide rate or something? /sarcasm

[@handsome_man69]

***** Sure I'd do the sign thing. I live in Germany, so basically no one has guns. It ain't gonna do anything other than get strange looks from my neighbours. I also lived in Australia, and England and would do the same there. Only reason i wouldn't do it it is because I would look like a right bell end to all my neighbours.

[@handsome_man69]

your forgetting locks on your doors. Get a good security system for your house too.

[@JackKangaroo1]

Actually here in the state of New York, where we have a pretty high crime rate, state law has made it illegal to own handguns, pepper spray, bear spray, stun guns and just about anything else that a citizen might use to protect themselves. As for the bad guys, they don't mind breaking the law so none of that bothers them at all. It just makes their job easier.

[@BigMikeMcBastard]

JackKangaroo1 So the criminals get guns by either buying them legally or stealing them from legal owners. Therefore the answer is to put even more guns into circulation to defend against those criminal-owned guns, and also the new criminal-owned guns that will find their way to the streets. Woops, the "solution" made the problem worse. Better get more guns!

[@TheFire1290]

What Australia does doesn't matter. The U.S. doing fine crime wise without gun control. The overall crime and homicide rate is the lowest it's been in 50 years, and crime started to decline as states allowed concealed carry in 1992. Not only that, but between 1995 and 2007, the drop in homicide rate in the U.S. and Australia were almost identical(31.9% and 31.7%) , even though obviously only on those countries had gun control. Ironic how the place with some of the strictest gun laws in the U.S., Washington D.C., is also one of the most dangerous places in the country.

[@TheFire1290]

ratofvengence Yes, because there is nearly 314 million people in the U.S. Also, even though the population is FAR greater than what it was in the 70's, the 80's and the 90's, the TOTAL number of murders is still lower and decreasing as we speak. What the hell does Australia have to with the U.S.? Nothing, nothing at all. You obviously can't tell anything. The U.S. homicide rate is at 50 years low and still decreasing, so yes, we are fine.

[@TheFire1290]

***** Nope. Washington DC has the some of the strictest gun laws in the nation, but it also one of the most dangerous places. Also, like I said before, the U.S. homicide rate is at 50 year low and decreasing, and no gun control was/is needed. All it took for it to start to lower was allowing concealed carry, among other things. And the U.S. does have a higher homicide rate than other developed country, but also far more debt, higher unemployment, and and a higher high school dropout rate(so much that the standard was lowered). The more poor, uneducated people there are the more crime there'll be.

[@TheFire1290]

Lennie Godber Support for concealed carry took off after 1993, which just happened to be when the homicide rate began to decline. In 19994-1996, 14 states allowed concealed carry, and the homicide rate dropped heavily. The number of murders continued to decrease as more states allowed guns to be carried in public. www.txchia.org/history.htm www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6227a1.htm

[@lenniegodber7805]

TheFire1290 The idea that you can state definitively that the introduction of concealed carry laws in the US is responsible for the reduction in homicide rates in absurd. Even within the academic community there is considerable debate as to the effectiveness of such laws, with the results being entirely ambiguous. Available employment opportunities, family upbringing, the prevalence of gang culture, access to an established health and social welfare system, the effectiveness of law enforcement and government legislation can be all be factors reflected in crime rates. You are reducing what is a complex social and cultural issue subject to multiple factors down into a partisan justification for your beliefs. The links you provided are also quite curious given that the timeline for the introduction of conceal carry legislation and the fall in homicide rates are not in dispute, but rather your narrow interpretation of them. I would also note that among the editors notes for the CDC article you linked are the following paragraphs. "A number of primary prevention strategies are scientifically proven to reduce the risk for and occurrence of youth violence" "Examples of primary prevention strategies include 1) school-based programs that build the communication skills of youths to nonviolently solve problems, family approaches that help caregivers set age-appropriate rules and policy, environmental, and structural approaches that enhance safety and increase opportunities for positive social interaction"

[@crazypants88]

Yeah well we can't let something as pesky as facts get in the way of our ideology.

[@mrpathetic1948]

9years from when this video was created and the U.S is still debating the same issues.

[@martijn3151]

I think we can safely assume 10 years from now nothing has changed. Aside from the lives of thousands of future parents who lost their kids of course.

[@brawly]

What a bloody legend mate!

[@somethenname]

strict gun control laws do not cause low crime rates. That's why they always say gun related crime and murders instead of crime and murder in general.

[@webdesignerguy]

+something name Both gun related murders and murders in general went down following the gun ban, so you're wrong.

[@shaktikareen2075]

+John T All serious studies do not even find a correlation between gun-control and less crime. With serious studies I mean studies that do not conclude ridiculous (obvious) things like this one: www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/18/gun-ownership-gun-deaths-study "The gun ownership rate was a strong and independent predictor of firearm-related death," says Bangalore. "Private gun ownership was highest in the US. Japan, on the other end, had an extremely low gun ownership rate." Not something that *painfully* stupid. On the other hand, you already know the only observable and detectable effect of the Australian gun-ban was a spike in crime, right? There was already a previously existing trend of lowering crime rate, in general, and for decades. That same trend resumed after a while. In the same time period, America experienced a way higher reduction of crime. New Zealand also experienced a higher reduction of crime rate, while not introducing any gun-control, and without any spike. The amount of gun ownership in Australia is now at the same level as before the ban. So gun ownership and crime are not correlated. The buyback didn't even manage to obtain 30% of the targeted weapons in the country and the total cost was over half a billion dollars, with that money Australians could have gotten way better things for the police. Massacres also kept happening at the same rate as before, just no gun-related. Want sources?

[@webdesignerguy]

Shakti Kareen "Massacres also kept happening at the same rate as before, just no gun-related." In the 19 years prior to the gun buyback, there were 14 massacres in Australia, with 114 people killed. In the 19 years since the buyback, there have been 9 massacres, with 62 people killed. In other words, there has been a nearly 50% reduction in the number of people killed in massacres in Australia. "So gun ownership and crime are not correlated." Seriously? Most developed countries, like the UK, Australia and Canada experience at most 1 or 2 mass killings a year. The United States experiences one almost every day. The vast majority of massacres in the US are committed with firearms. You seriously think that that has nothing to do with the fact that it's exceedingly difficult to get hold of a handgun, or a semi-automatic gun, in those other countries, whereas in the US everyone, even criminals and mentally ill people, have easy access to firearms?

[@EmilioReyes_97]

something name True, but a schizophrenic can't kill rooms filled with kids with one knife

[@1911GreaterThanALL]

@@webdesignerguy America saw similar declines as Australia yet we didn't implement Australian gun controls. U.S. saw a more drastic reduction in homicides than Australia did. www.gunfacts.info/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/GUNS-IN-OTHER-COUNTRIES-Australia-and-U.S.-homicides-rates-before-and-after-Australia-gun-ban.png

[@stefanoroberti]

Still more than relevant. Especially today

[@animelytical8354]

"So if we can't completely get rid of drugs, there shouldn't be gun laws?" "...Let me think about it"

[@n8neiTen8n]

Funny guy, actually I think everyone should pass some sort of psychological exams (a lot of) to get access to weapon, if you give a weapon to a maniac he will kill everyone on his way with no reason.

[@lucastraver367]

Exactly, and every year or two they would be put through that test again, just to make sure.

[@jimenagalaz7953]

It's funny because maniacs killing everyone for no reason are one of the biggest problems in the US right now

[@devi3350]

Who ELSE would buy a semi-automatic assault rifle?

[@lucastraver367]

+devi MURICANS

[@clover4522]

+devi You are brainwashed. Most gun owners would and they're not maniacs at all.

[@jala5293]

In Australia their homicide rate actually went up. Also it was a blanket ban, which would require seizing 300 million+ guns, which will not ever happen. They also fail to mention that Australia's suicide rate had been declining for 10 years prior and showed no major decrease with the ban.

[@joeyzasa8725]

Leftists "think" that just because we live in the future and it ain't 1776 anymore, we don't need a firearm, and they "think" the government is out there to serve the public.

[@quhyungpark1957]

+Joey Zasa Well make sure the government doesn't have nuclear weapons that can obliterate the entire American population. Make sure the government doesn't spend more than the next 6 nations combined as well. The conservatives lost against the 1863 U.S. military, which was much weaker than the 21st century U.S. military. Do you really think the conservatives won't lose again?

[@elliotshaw3064]

That last whoop de doo in the pub always kills me 😂😂😂

[@redfin382]

It is insane how many heavy hitters came from the daily show. Jon can really pick the best people out. He really hires the best people.

[@toucansurfclub6303]

They always talk about gun murder rates but never talk about total murder rates... If you look at the UK, Ireland and Jamaica you will see it doesn't work

[@ratofvengence]

Jonny Blaze UK total homicide rate 2012; 1.0/100,000 total homicides 653 Ireland total homicide rate 2012; 1.2/100,000 total homicides 54 US total homicide rate 2012; 4.7/100,000 total homicides 14,827 There you go, total murder rates. The US has a rate nearly 5 times higher than Australia, Ireland and the UK.

[@toucansurfclub6303]

ratofvengence Yes, but the UK homicide rate has not dropped since the gun ban... It actually went up and they had to have a massive increase in police presence in the streets to now bring it down to the same levels it was pre gun ban. Never has the murder rate doped below their levels that they were before they had the ban...

[@toucansurfclub6303]

ratofvengence Look at Switzerland where every person owns a gun by law... They have one of the lowest murder rates in the world... It has nothing to do with gun ownership... Than look at mexico where there is massive gun control and the only people getting guns are the ones committing crimes

[@ratofvengence]

Jonny Blaze "Yes, but the UK homicide rate has not dropped since the gun ban" What do you mean, since the ban? It's not like they didn't already have strict restrictions on firearms beforehand. Besides, the US has 5 times the UK population, but 27 times the homicides. Well done. "Look at Switzerland where every person owns a gun by law" Stop reading the NRA website and do the research for yourself. What you just posted is totally wrong, and the Swiss have far stricter restrictions than the US. "Than look at mexico where there is massive gun control" No, they have laws but no reliable and consistent law enforcement.

[@MASTACHIEFPWN]

Jonny Blaze The Swiss also conscript every one of their male citizens and are forced through a twenty one week military training period where they are taught to use guns efficiently and learn how to operate firearms safely-something we don't require in the US. This is an effective curb of liberty and human rights. You can opt out of being issued a gun based on moral reasoning in the Swiss Military, and 20% of people are found unfit for service and are never sent to training, though they are forced to pay higher taxes for 10 years.

[@MrHyperactivebunny]

I love living in australia, purely for the fact that the racism is less common and I dont have to fear someone shooting me. Thats not sarcasm by the way, It's genuine relief I dont have to deal with people like Philip Van Cleave.

[@MrHyperactivebunny]

***** You're right, people like that do exist in Australia, but they are a severe minority. He had very little support in his opinions on gun laws. Even though he's quite popular because of his pro Free Trade and Gay marriage stance. Also, im going to add that, Im pretty sure Van Cleave thinks Australia is on 'planet X' "But in the real world with human beings," I am 97% sure that man does not think I am a real human being.

[@royms2000]

Plus more of your tax money goes to healthcare, education, and infrastructure instead of wars.

[@ericdow4321]

Taliesin Yea, but you have giant as fuck spiders and shit eating your freaking face off. Whoop-dee-doo!

[@MrHyperactivebunny]

You're right. I once saw a spider kill a small bird then wrap it in a web. It was horrifying.

[@LoLHUBB3DG]

Taliesin Ugh! Bugs just shouldn't be big enough to eat animals. In fact I'm a firm believer that you shouldn't be able to see the ground under an insect, if you can they're to big.

[@rastkonovak1674]

Looks like another whoop-de-doo in Texas

[@YoRHaCorb]

“Mass shootings are rare anyhow!” Pure comedy

[@joakimswahn9179]

Whoop-de-fuckin-Didger-i-Doo!!! ;)

[@StandAsYouAre]

Yeah! Planet X!! Bring your hat and sunscreen kids!

[@amberchen2950]

“We don’t do background checks for the first amendment” That logic tho...

[@tarpguy_]

"We don't do background checks for the first amendment" ... WHAT

[@maktizo3602]

I love America we would rather have a shit ton of mass shootings than not be allowed to have guns

[@HackAcadmey]

hmm can't tell if sarcastic or not

[@maktizo3602]

Benjamin - James I'm being sarcastic we don't need guns

[@Gangster88232]

Mak Tizo guns should be illegal for civilians without any exception. wven in australia, all remaining guns should be banned. even hunting rifle can kill people.

[@andersgyllenhoff5881]

I respectfully disagree, coming from Sweden where hunting rifles are legal. While you are correct in the sense that a hunting rifle can kill someone, that is extremely rare (at least in Sweden), especially purposeful killings. Basically, hunting rifles kind of suck for mass shootings (at least the ones that are legal here) due to lack of detachable high capacity magazines, generally being bolt action operated and being rather bulky and difficult to conceal. Whilst accidental shootings are tragic, they are also rare and can be rather easily be minimised by proper mandatory training.

[@jaelynnzee9091]

I'm convinced that most of these mass shootings are NOT done by who they tell us. Likely cia or other entities who wants the US to disarm. Not happening.

[@itsdivyag]

he dug a hole for himself there

[@lukesayers5850]

Meanwhile. In maine. Why do we hate ourselves so much that we keep doing this?

[@iamfinky]

9 years later and this comedy has turned into a tragedy. And not just for John Oliver's hair.

[@ridwanomar5351]

It’s was a tragedy in 1999 Columbine High School massacre and than sandy hook elementary school

[@rockyxbautista]

#HaveAWank

[@hxhelili]

Lon Chaney Fan Stop procrastinating

[@multiplio2924]

rock_lobsterrr85 Videos dropping from above like bird poo...

[@cluckeryduckery261]

john oliver and jim jeffries. two foreign comedians doing an amazing job of smacking pro gun Americans over the head with their own stupidity. i love it.

[@MrOuchiez]

You're forgetting about how Sacha Baron Cohen exposed this particular lunatic on his Showtime series "This Is America". He made certain that *no one* will have to listen and/or see this dolt ever again.

[@JuICyBLiinGeR]

Jim wrote his own jokes thou. Performed them on stage. He wasn’t given a script to read.

[@cluckeryduckery261]

@@JuICyBLiinGeR you realize John Oliver stated as a stand-up comic, was a writer for the daily show with John Stewart, and is the head writer on last week tonight... right?

[@ezekielanderson9055]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpPOf3ylf5JsoLs Just throwing this out there

[@nyyu01]

Govern me harder daddy!!

[@louierhmann7681]

"mass shootings are rare anyhow" five years later its basically one every month.......

[@homania]

www.gunviolencearchive.org/ it's pretty much at least once a day.. 'mass shooting' now is like 10+ instead of just 4+ injured/killed by a gun during a single incident

[@homemadetech5712]

homania only 123 people died in mass shootings in 2019

[@egglasagna5414]

Homemade Tech that’s still 123 to many

[@homemadetech5712]

Egg Lasagna people will kill one another no matter what. Compare those deaths to the 245 knife killings in the UK (much smaller country). We may have some shooting issues, but we most certainly don’t have a mass shooting problem or epidemic

[@egglasagna5414]

Homemade Tech actually we do we have more mass shootings then almost any other country and I’m pretty sure a gun dose a lot more damage a lot quicker then a knife, also don’t you think one mass school shooting is to much or do you just care more about guns then you do innocent human lives? I’m really not trying to sound rude but you can’t ignore that shootings are a real problem in America. I personally don’t think we should get rid of all guns but I think their needs to be more regulations so that it isn’t so easy for people to get their hands on them. And like a said before its still 123 to many people dying for no reason, I’m really not trying to argue so I mean no disrespect to you but you can’t ignore that this is a real problem that we need to fix so our country can be as amazing as possible! (Sorry for any spelling or grammar mistakes typing this out fast lol)

[@MWorsa]

Right. Right. Right. 😂

[@AVportau]

omg i'm living on "Planet X" and i didn't even know it... damn good place to be though... but i wish they'd send the US reality tv and fast food chains back to whatever planet they came from... i'm sure we could survive without them nearly as much as we can survive without a gun to protect us from our Planet X Leaders. i'm so different i've got a lot of double features... 2 eyes, 2 arms, 2 legs, 2 ears... shit i've even got 2 balls on me and i don't even play baseball.

[@billie0429]

You sir deserve more likes!!!

[@AVportau]

billie0429 lol... thanks... but i guess i'm as 'different' as anyone here... on Planet X

[@DongleDavid]

fellow citizen of Planet X reporting for slave duty. I have no guns to rise up against my masters oh nooo

[@AVportau]

David Liu rofl... i just wander around Planet X with my head in the clouds... seems i'm free and nobody is telling me what to do... where are all the tryants they speak of?... oh that's right, they're back on good ol' earth busy ripping off the world.

[@ratofvengence]

David Liu Another day, another whipping, sigh. Shame I can't go out and randomly shoot someone like the Americans...

[@cullenriley5461]

Well ladies and gents, if you want bans on certain weapons and you want it to be illegal to carry them outside your home, and you want people to have to justify their needs for a gun to the government, and pass a mental health check, then move your family to Brazil! And when you come back because one of your family members is dead, because the murder rate is 5x that of the U.S. Then rethink things. 😉

[@danielroque891]

that just means Brasil is a shit place to live in.

[@1911GreaterThanALL]

Truth. Venezuela hasn't fared well either.

[@1911GreaterThanALL]

@@Cracklin319 Mad bro? Even an immigrant agrees with private ownership of firearms to be less restricted coming from a restricted country.

[@tommcfeely8707]

This was in my recommended today in 2019, I must have somehow missed this segment the first time around, glad youtube found it for me.

[@andrewpolitsky9474]

Johns point about drugs at 4:00 is spot on! and it applies to guns at well

[@owlsighter]

This is one of the best story pieces tds has done. Just brilliant 👌🏾

[@stroke4711]

And if your constitution is so awesome, why the hell did it need amending in the first place.?

[@culterwaleddy]

Because the world is an ever changing place.

[@ratofvengence]

collin ohlinger Tell that to those who consider the 2nd as somehow enshrined :P

[@culterwaleddy]

ratofvengence There will always be a need for self defense, and the second amendment is that in company

[@stroke4711]

collin ohlinger There was no second amendment , then there was, so you are saying that in this ever changing world the need for guns wont change. The only way to change the world it to change yourself. Guns will always be needed for self defence? Of course they will if everybody has a gun, that is a no brainer. Guns are not evil, people are. Give the evil people the right to bear arms seems logical. The U.S had nuclear bombs, and once the war was over the main threat from these bombs seemed to be from radiation or accident, then other countries got their own bombs which would be a good self defence from the U.S Britain and other nuclear countries, and the world suddenly became exponentially more dangerous. If all guns were controlled, not banned, but controlled, the shootings decrease. If all guns were banned shootings would decrease even further and mass killings would be less. You guys would rather have your brothers and sisters family wiped out and your own children and partner gunned down in the street than give up your weapons. In the UK we have muggings, car theft, burglary, etc, just the same as the USA, but your criminals go out to commit crime with a gun in their hand. You know why? Yes sometimes it is to threaten and extort, but mostly they have a gun for the same reason as the law abiding citizen does, for self defence. They know if they get caught in the act they may get fired upon and so they carry a gun to fire back. If they are a gang member they may get in a shootout with another gang. We have armed robberies but they are a rarity. We have gangs with guns but not to the same extent. Yes gun control does work if you want it to, but it seem that far too many Americans for whatever reason want to retain the right to shoot their fellow Americans. As someone once said before me, you cannot legislate for stupidity.

[@ratofvengence]

collin ohlinger We have the right to self defense. The difference is, we don't need to have an arsenal to do it. See we value human life in Australia, and shooting dead someone who looked like they might hurt you isn't regarded as acceptable here.

[@naysaabraham1906]

This video was released when I was 9 years old. Today I am 15 years old and this country has had 4 mass shootings in the past week. When will we change things and make this country safer for everyone!? Laws need to be made to protect people and not guns

[@UgandanAirForce]

only 2 happened not 4, plus you can't protect people and get rid of guns at the same time, we have the right to bear arms for a reason.

[@naysaabraham1906]

Gilroy Garlic Festival shooting on July 28th with 4 people dead 12 injured. And the there were actually various other shootings after that that wouldn’t be considered mass shootings. So yeah. Maybe only around 3 mass shootings in the week. No one is taking away guns, there just needs to be stricter laws on them. No one needs a 100 bullets per magazine. There needs to be stricter background checks and training for people who buy gun.

[@UgandanAirForce]

@@naysaabraham1906 you can't make background checks any stricter without a possibility of a registry which is unconstitutional, plus waiting periods are useless since a background can be completed within 10 to 15 minutes. "No one needs 100 round magazines." I don't mean any offense but you can't tell me what i can and can't own just because you don't like it. Plus it doesn't matter if he had 100 round magazines since an experienced shooter can reload within a couple seconds, if anything him having a 100 round magazine is good because they are prone to cause jams.

[@hitowerhither7419]

The ability to have any viewpoint in America is what makes this country great, no matter how misinformed it is (as long as you are not harassing others, infringing on their civil rights, etc.). The problem is our elected officials are supposed to make informed decisions on behalf of the public which they are failing to do.

[@smallknuckles5708]

But that "right" is in every democratic country. America isnt some outstanding pillar of freedom like it was in the 1800s

[@In0god0we0trust]

To put the 'success' of Australias gun laws into perspective, we need to factor in the cost of implementation. The total number killed in the 13 massacres mentioned was 72. This averages out to 4 deaths a year over the 18 years. The gun buyback alone cost $500 Million, and the cost of just maintaining the gun registries per year is estimated between $27 and $100 million dollars. This means in the 18 years since the ban Australia has spent $2 - 2.3 billion in order to save on average 4 people a year. If we accept the premise the ban reduced mass shootings; and just going off theses costs, this amounts to spending approximately $320 million, per person who was "saved". If we factor in the cost of law enforcement resources, of customs monitoring for gun imports, of valuable historical firearms collections that were destroyed, and the gun shops that went out of business the number is obviously higher still. Notice Howard said "gun _murders"_ went down. But there's no salvation there, as homicide in general actually increased in the immediate years following the ban; and the academic work is clear there was no statistically significant reduction in total homicide. Just imagine if that same money was spent on healthcare or reducing traffic accidents, how much more in measurable benefits of saved lives the country could have received.

[@ratofvengence]

How about we don't manipulate the stats? It wasn't just shooting massacres, it was gun crime in general, and gun murders in particular. We had a homicide rate of 1.8/100,000, it is now 1.0/100,000. Explain how you can estimate between 27 and 100 million dollars? Just a little bit of variance there? Quote a reputable source for this. Tell me, other than the fact violent crime has NOT gone up 50%, exactly how do you attribute it all to gun control? If you actually look at the stats, the increase in assault is mostly Friday/Saturday nights, and mostly involves alcohol. You think guns will help? Only by turning assaults into murders...

[@In0god0we0trust]

ratofvengence Why the constant focus on "gun murders"? Does it really matter that much which way people are murdered or the fact they were murdered at all? The homicide rate is lower now, but it fell even further in the USA. However in the years immediately following the ban violent crime went up. Source for cost of the registry: _"Assessing Cost-Effectiveness in Prevention (ACE-Prevention): Final Report." University of Queensland, Brisbane and Deakin University, Melbourne._ In 2007 a Study was published in *Harvard* Universities Journal of Public Law and Policy entitled _"Would banning firearms reduce murder and suicide?"_ The study concluded: _"Whether causative or not, the consistent international pattern is that more guns equal less murder and other violent crime. Even if one is inclined to think that gun availability is an important factor, the available international data cannot be squared with the mantra that more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death. Rather, if firearms availability does matter, the data consistently show that the way it matters is that _*_more guns equal less violent crime_*_"_ For further proof read the 2008 Melbourne University Study: _"The Australian Firearms Buyback and Its Effect on Gun Deaths"_ by Wang-Sheng Lee and Sandy Suardi. The study concluded: _"The results of these tests suggest that the NFA_ (Australian gun laws) *_did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates_*_."_

[@ratofvengence]

In God We Trust Firstly, the figures I quoted were TOTAL homicides, not just gun murders. If there were less gun murders, but other forms of homicide took over, it would be pointless. This is not the case. Read this www.crikey.com.au/2008/09/09/what-john-howard-could-teach-the-us-about-gun-control/ Hard to argue against these facts, though I am sure the gun lobby will try.

[@In0god0we0trust]

ratofvengence I know. But I'm saying that in the years IMMEDIATELY AFTER the gun ban violent crime (including murders) went up. The rates are lower now, but that could hardly be attributed to the gun ban. I just quotes you two university studies including one from HARVARD saying that the gun laws were a failure and perhaps even increased crime. You in response just posted a link to some left-wing rag that tries to trick it's readers by saying "gun deaths" went down without saying anything about total homicides or mentioning the fact that gun deaths had been decreasing for years BEFORE the ban.

[@ratofvengence]

In God We Trust No, it doesn't work like that. Why do you assume that gun control would have an instant effect? It wasn't all legislated at the same time either, there were further changes after the Monash shootings. I can link to Harvard as well www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/files/2013/01/bulletins_australia_spring_2011.pdf A quote; "One evaluation of the law concluded that: The rates of total firearm deaths, firearm homicides and firearm suicides all at least doubled their existing rates of decline after the gun laws" Left wing rag that mag may be, and probably is, but does that mean you will ignore the raw stats they give?

[@cybellekaehler4627]

"Right." "Right." "...Right." lmao this is too much

[@DeviousFellow]

after reading some comments here I'm starting to think that the guy John Oliver interviewed wasn't an actor of some sort but an actual person who believes in every word that came out of their mouth, all along I thought the interview was funny, but now I think it's horrifying

[@wephilips6651]

I think I saw him on the news recently actually

[@yoloswaggins7121]

He is real. He works for the NRA and a few years ago he also got duped by Sasha Baron Cohen who convinced him to endorde a bill that would allow 2 year olds to carry guns

[@benselectionforcasting4172]

Some of us believe there shouldn't be gun or drug laws.

[@ishizumontoya8162]

"i guess if we´re gonna go to planet X and say it´s not the united states" that sentence pretty much sums up the Americans general feelings towards the rest of the world. if you showed this guy here a map with the words "world map" on it, and with america being the only country on it, i doubt he´d see what was wrong with it.

[@benjaminreid9246]

As an American he is not they only one that wouldn't notice the problem.

[@nickpanayiotou684]

There are three things i love in this word, guns. freedom, and the freedom to have my guns

[@ratofvengence]

nick panayiotou How about the opportunity to have a 3rd world homicide rate and ever increasing mass shootings?

[@crazypants88]

ratofvengence Obviously one causes the other because there's never high amount of crime or mass killings where they restrict guns, oh wait no, that's not true at all and you know that. Look at Mexico, Brazil and Honduras.

[@ratofvengence]

crazypants88 I guess you have a memory problem, because I have educated you on this before. Obviously Mexico, Brazil and Honduras have much more significant problems with poverty, inequity and corrupt govt/policing. Again, this is obvious. It is also obvious, to all but you of course, that comparing those nations to the US or Australia is inane. Yes, look at Mexico, Brazil and Honduras. See how they are NOT valid comparisons. Did you get it this time?

[@xavierlogan432]

+nick panayiotou Inside every liberal is a tyrant screaming to get out.

[@cby4]

This is awesome, never gets old!

[@spicytuna2474]

hearing almost one a year being considered as a lot of mass shootings is almost shocking