The Dark Reality of Drake & Josh (They Were Never Friends)

[@PatrickCc]

Did you grow up watching this show? I am suprised how well the comedy aged, still objectively funny jokes. it's a shame it had to unfold like this..

[@ExtendedRelease]

we dont care bout these disneys nickys kids man get back to rappers.

[@franciscocoelho20]

@@ExtendedRelease we do tho, looks like different people have different tastes

[@lilmel2871]

@@ExtendedRelease nah bro it’s interesting

[@lilmel2871]

Yo Patrick did u notice yet that cufboys is tryna steal your content type

[@PatrickCc]

@@ExtendedRelease I have made 2 videos in this field. One on Disney, One on Nick. Both videos have 1 million views

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

I would've respected it if Josh just explained how he can't respect Drake's actions with all the accusations, not lying about how "they were never friends".

[@garorade]

Yeah

[@Ghtherich]

but what if to josh they were never friends in his mind? What if he just did all that stuff for the PR and views? He is a content creator and the best way for him to get views and all that is with Drake.

[@stoiccrane4259]

He has to protect his reputation.

[@xryxix]

Honestly and how josh was someone who collabed with Shane Dawson of all people. Even was a part of those shanaynay(blackface) videos and laughed a lot of that off. The culture of celebrity is a lot but it's still something that has me. Pause. Yanno.

[@PatrickCc]

I guess he feels like Drake isn’t owed that

[@eatatjoes6751]

The fact that Josh Peck is willing to pretend he was never friends with Drake after his career launched and then denied his existence over and over while also trying to pitch a revival that paints Drake as this weird loser feels like an episode of Drake and Josh.

[@bagelbaby55]

No seriously that should've been the plotline for their reboot lol

[@bluerath]

I thought the show idea would have fallen apart with drake being upset it was essentially making fun of him but to hear it was at least in part about him not wanting to stereotype mexicans while josh seemed adamant on doing that makes me respect him a little to be honest even if it was just a career move since he has so much success in mexico.

[@truffle6082]

but in the real life, that's exactly how it played out. lol.

[@ceoChief09]

@@truffle6082 When did Drake get involved with the cartel?

[@DaDualityofMan]

Well like he said it's like "Josh is Done".

[@guziman1963]

Josh is not misremembering things, he's just showing what kind of person he is.

[@thomasmullins4054]

I was just about to say this

[@shogunspear9739]

he is not dumb, why would he endanger his career by being asociated to drake?

[@Nonresponder01]

@@shogunspear9739 people tend to respect others more when they don't backstab old friends. He really didn't have to lie. Jerry Seinfeld's career didn't suffer when he kept giving Michael Richards a platform to try to apologize. It was honourable to see him give his friend opportunities for redemption, without he himself ever having to comment on the matter. Lots of people gained respect for Seinfeld after that. Not saying Josh should have done the same, but at least don't lie and say you were never friends. People hearing someone lie like that will only make them lose respect.

[@pspdslite5991]

Josh is a snake pretty much. Only wants to hang out with people that can help his career.

[@funnybone6149]

@@shogunspear9739 You can still say you were friends with someone, while condemning what they’ve done.

[@chasetherightenergy]

The quiet on set doc really puts this in a whole new perspective

[@yodude8686]

I came to rewatch this in hindsight

[@anthonyvtorres]

I agree

[@ModelingTabi]

how so??

[@Bort_Simpson]

@@ModelingTabiDrake was molested while recording Drake and Josh

[@gizzo-f5t]

@@ModelingTabikinda make drakes issues as an adult make sense. We initially thought bro was just a loser, turns out he was just suffering from the abuse he faced on set.

[@tazrianhaq]

man i still cry at drakes apology in the Josh is Done episode, really doesn’t feel acted or scripted. Ngl though, no matter what is happening with these two, Drake & Josh genuinely has helped shape a generation! masterpiece of a teen show, thankful i grew up with it

[@stoneheart_raven]

That was the episode that really got me and stood out.

[@dudevro6091]

Absolutely heart breaking 💔

[@BongRip]

Good scene for a lighthearted show, but cry every time? Weenie shit it’s a Doofy sitcom and you cry when it gets slightly serious? Lmfao there’s much better acting literally everywhere

[@Mope333]

Well that’s the point of “ professional acting”

[@tazrianhaq]

@@Mope333 yeah man i know, but we didn’t usually get that kinda level of acting from a teen comedy show. Took a lot of people by surprise

[@Dicem]

There's a lot of videos debunking Josh's claims. I know Drake is allegedly a messed up person. But regardless it most definitely was likely that they were friends. There's a lot of evidence of this. Josh just wanted to distance himself because of the accusations. Which is understandable. But he didn't need to lie.

[@dAnnysixx1]

How do you know how he feels tho you know? He could have been pretending like most famous people do since we are now grown up and know 50 percent of what we see is planned. Ide like to assume it was a I’ll deal with you cause of what we do situation and felt like it was what he needed to do. A lot of us have been in Josh’s position.

[@R_S747]

@@dAnnysixx1 sure but he still flat out lied even if you take that into account

[@Dicem]

@@R_S747 thank you!

[@nerdstreet3]

How is it alleged when he was convicted? Y'all would stretch anything to save face.

[@R_S747]

@@nerdstreet3 he was only convicted of the sexting, not the abuse, grooming and sexual assualt. Also another girlfriend of his has come out and accused him of severe physical abuse, and several other women have accused him of shit too, none of which he's been convicted of

[@momomonies]

Josh is always given me a “desperate to fit in” vibe as an adult. Even if that means lying.

[@ORIGINALFBI]

It really feels that way. It feels like he wants a revenge fantasy because of how he was treated as a kid.

[@milana2020]

His vines were cringe

[@fanetooo]

@@milana2020 looking back all vines were cringe 😭😭😭

[@drose6437]

isn't that just what every dude david dobrick's crew like?

[@momomonies]

@@drose6437 facts

[@TheeDeadDoll]

Drake has his demons that are more noticeable but Josh is more manipulative with his villainous tactics. There’s an incident I recall with Jeanette McCurdy regarding an interview she had with him on his podcast that didn’t go very well. Long story short he was defending Dan Schneider when it comes to all his creepy allegations and slamming Jeanette in the process. She wants nothing to do with him.

[@margarethmichelina5146]

Also, Josh was hanging out with David Dobrick and his Vlog Squad which is a problematic KZbin Squad (Honestly, is there any KZbin Squad which isn't problematic?) And till these days, Ariana Grande hasn't spoken up about what Dan Schneider did to her and she kinda forgot how she was a Nickelodeon star and pretended nothing ever happened in her past.

[@Hknasw]

Yeah I saw what he said about Dan. Like he was making little of what she went through

[@SamuraiVertHD]

I have yet another reason to hate him

[@CrazyzzzDudezzz]

Josh got into his head early on in life that he wasn’t cool. And at the time, Drake epitomized everything he wasn’t. Josh has spent his whole life trying to become something he couldn’t. That’s why to this day, Josh still strikes me as someone who desperately wants to fit in. Even though he has achieved insane levels of success, he’s still haunted by his time on Drake and Josh. I only imagine that Josh secretly rejoices that Drake crashed and burn, to give himself some sort of satisfaction that he did indeed achieve the perfect imagine he’s always wanted, rather than finding solace in himself.

[@KaLx13]

Right usually you try and distance yourself from friends like this even if you were really close because it just reminds you of all the shit you had to trudge through. I can imagine Drake was genuine though he was a kid living his best life and he thought Josh was right there with him, he just didn't realize when he got older that Josh was behind him in the crowd instead of right next to him. He should have tried and make that shit right not for the fans but for his friend but Josh was probably over Drake and Josh after that 2nd kids choice awards.

[@mividabrazy9104]

he reminds me of jonah hill

[@deanwinchester3356]

Same. Josh isn’t that cute IMO. Drake was always the cute one, even after Josh lost his “weight”. Losing it doesn’t make you automatically attractive. Every show has the hot “one”. Even my profile pic for example, Jensen Ackles was the hot one in Supernatural, while Jared Padalacki was the “cute” one. But Jensen and Jared are actually best friends in real life.

[@user-vi4xy1jw7e]

@@deanwinchester3356 if Drake was the cute one, you think Josh was the hot one?

[@keving1072]

And the fact he wanted to produce direct the reboot and showing drake as a loser & him as a winner is ironic

[@mola_bee3046]

I think Josh’s problem is he trying way to hard prove he’s not who we all thought he was growing up. I think they both have problems they not only need to discuss with each other but with therapists too. They both are stuck in the past one more than the other.

[@michaelnally2841]

I am aware Josh did get help with his drug abuse and says he’s apparently seeing a therapist… so good on him

[@smplfi9859]

yep, but he's clearly back on the drugs again.... the cocaine and adderalls helped "save him" from being fat.. now he thinks it'll save him again....

[@babis6919]

If I was a kid and someone came up to me and told me the little evil girl would end up being the most sane of them all I would have a good laugh. Miranda Cosgrove is honestly one of the very few cases where your childhood is not ruined because the actor on a show you used to love did something bad

[@colt1903]

@@babis6919 Yep, instead it was ruined by something else. Dan Schneider.

[@stevemclovin1566]

​@@colt1903I don't think Dan did anything to her at all. Other than foot stuff we saw on TV.

[@PartyboyDanny]

It’s sad how Josh went from being the bullied reject as a kid, and overcoming that, just to become the same kind of dbag that he used to get bullied by

[@aaronnantz2289]

Sort of i mean i like josh and all but yea he just seems like he is irritated by everybody.

[@2ndintelligentWorld]

well said. very very sad. idk how people can stand him and his "podcasts"

[@quackgarage9551]

"When education is not liberating, the dream of the oppressed is to become the oppressor". I think this defines him pretty well nowadays. He really became what he hated the most, a colossal, frivolous and fake dbag fueled by self-interest. Also, Josh is clearly obsessed with what he's overcome over the years, it's clear that he absolutely despise his past self, any association with Drake and what it represented to him as a person, mainly the way he looked or his supossedly subservience back then. Everything in him is trying to scream at everybody all the time "look at me i'm awesome, i've changed, i'm not a fat laughing stock" even if it means shitting on everyone and being a total a$$. In simple words, this dude is a MASSIVE bad egg dbag.

[@TheKillerChronicles]

Literally feels like the one time character he played on the Big Bang theory

[@TheTyroofToriyama]

@@quackgarage9551 Your comments were all good till the end.... God sake, what's with people being personally awkward for a min and just being written-off like they got the mentality of Dahmer? This gen pretty bad at this... Not even saying that in the typical way... You all got tons of celebs and "friends" to scroll through so the min someone slips up, they're treated like they're absolutely flawed and are discarded so you can get back to watching nothing but perfection..... Just chill... This just makes things harder for everyone

[@deletedwaffles]

The fact that Josh associated himself with the whole Vlog Squad crew is enough to tell you what kind of person he is.

[@mr.classicragememerook96]

Oh boy. What did the Vlog Squad do?

[@Schmidty030]

​@@mr.classicragememerook96a string of sexual assault, rape, and reckless endangerment controversies since 2021.

[@mr.classicragememerook96]

@@Schmidty030 Well damn. :/

[@botchedoperations3485]

Even more that he wanted the reboot to keep the offensive parts towards Mexicans. What a prick.

[@disguisedcentennial835]

@@mr.classicragememerook96they’re habitual liars with psychopathic tendencies

[@Pik3rob]

Josh seems way too insecure about his past. Like, the dude was able to prove in Drake and Josh himself that he could work past being the fat funny guy. Seeing himself as Drake's sidekick is also kind of strange since the show itself always portrayed them as equals, even if Drake was the more popular.

[@livedhill1640]

I mean when you the fat guy it's hard. I was Josh lost weight and everytime a women tried to talk to me I be so cruel knowing she would had never love me if I didn't lose weight. When you wear both shoes you see how everyone is so fake

[@truffle6082]

my buddy lost weight and no homo looks like a good-looking dude. but that didn't remove all the insecurities. we always remember our childhood it defines our adulthood and sometimes destroys it.

[@ceoChief09]

@@livedhill1640 Looks attract people. You can't blame girls for looking at a fat guy and not being attracted. Now that you're slimmer its your time to get all the girls.

[@livedhill1640]

@@ceoChief09 the problem here is the fakeness I want a women to grow old with not sleep around. One girl I was crushing so hard rejected cause i was fat. The moment I lost weight she wanted to sleep with me n be with me. So that tells me the only reason I got rejected cause I was fat? How about give me a chance n let's work on my weight loss together. Btw she was fat too that's the sad part. I rejected that bitch so quick. So yeah its hard to trust people anymore. Being fat open your eyes to who is true and whose not

[@rajbhattacharya4427]

@@livedhill1640 that's called being bitter and resentful.

[@mrdavisdance]

I was surprised to hear that Drake's only issue with "Josh and Drake" was that he wanted to change how they portrayed his Mexican fans. Sounds like he took the idea of him being the punching bag pretty well.

[@sergloera]

He probably figured this will work well I’ve certainly earned some satirical criticism it’s just karma, but let’s not smear shit on a bunch of other people who had nothing to do with it, just because of me.

[@AWRShorts]

Drake loves classic comedy so I’m sure he appreciates a good joke

[@pedestrian_0]

Nah I'm pretty sure Drake understood it wasn't even a reboot that josh wanted, but just to directly trash Drake himself when he read it

[@ZayxSt]

Sounds like Josh literally wanted to ruin all what Drake had at the time, mexican fans.

[@akumaghilardi2992]

@@ZayxSt Josh always been a hater bro you could tell he was always jealous of drake. Specially being the F@t kid & drake getting all the attention. Talented side projects with music as well as luck with the ladies.

[@rextek5421]

You can sum this up with one sentence: Drake wanted to be actual friends and Josh only cared about business, so he made some public posts/videos to keep their role alive

[@itsRudeGal]

Yup

[@user-md3wm7vu1f]

i think they both mostly just wanted to promote their careers which i dont necessarily hold against someone, but i think josh was also relishing in the reversal of fortunes because that seems to be the type of person he is based on what we've seen here

[@Immigrantlovesamerica]

Seems like everything Josh did was to protect his ego.

[@4idenn]

​@@user-md3wm7vu1f Yeah, if anything that script is the proof

[@krisbrown6066]

Nah, there's literal evidence stating they were pretty close friends back in the day. People grow apart.

[@tereza1959]

From this, I believe both Drake and Josh were victims of child fame and a competitive merciless business, i only feel bad for them, they lost themselves along the way, both of them were talented and charismatic young men, Josh was corrupted by the pressure of being good-looking and always being seen as a "sidekick" and Drake was corrupted by his own mistakes

[@soujemn5]

the way things happened with Drake and the way US law works i wouldn't be surprised if his mistake was simply trusting the wrong woman

[@zubetp]

@@soujemn5i don't really agree with that. the burden is on the plaintiff to prove guilt, so if drake was confidence in his innocence, he could easily plead not guilty and be represented in court. i don't like this myth that any man accused of something by a woman is automatically ruined. statistics prove otherwise. i do still agree with this commenter, though. i think the child actors who turn out safe and happy are exceptions to the rule and i pity them that.

[@soujemn5]

@@zubetp what he plead guilty to was texting her. According to him, he didn't know how old she was and stopped texting her when he found out. Because of the way US law is written it doesn't matter that he didn't know how old she was, texting her is still a crime. In my opinion the law is written so poorly in this area that only social predators use it when they want to harm people they dislike. In this case the girl and her mother conspired to do this specifically to trap Drake.

[@oldstump1628]

The way everyone who worked Dan ended up poisoned as person is horribly sad. The most well adjusted of the kids still ended up with substance abuse issues. Drake and Amanda are 2 sides of the same coin.

[@xX_Gravity_Xx]

​@@soujemn5I question the entire situation. But with no info it's all pure speculation. He was only charged with what he pled guilty to. So I can only assume this is a classic case of first impression syndrome, where once someone is accused of a crime, that's what people will think regardless of future evidence being laid out. Look at what happened to Johnny Depp. It is entirely possible that he did do what he was accused of, but to me it all just seems kind of off. I honestly wish there was more info around the situation. I grew up watching the show and I'd hate to think both main characters turned into deplorable people.

[@whitneymiller3809]

Josh should just be honest that they tried keeping a friendship off and on. Especially since it's obvious they stayed in contact over the years. I understand he is trying to distance himself from any "creep" status, but he could just say something like "Ya think you know somebody...I guess I didnt." Or something like that.

[@jaymills6691]

That would be an even worse look for Drake

[@limitlesssky3050]

That last statement is full on backstab lol. Might as well pretend not to know him at all then saying "yeah I never realized he's an abusive pedo".

[@jaymills6691]

@@limitlesssky3050 Yeah exactly what I thought. Josh pretending to never being friends with Drake in the first place was probably to protect him. The alternative was to either talk shit on Drake or condone his actions and still consider him his friend. I think he made a solid choice.

[@whitneymiller3809]

@@jaymills6691 regardless, he'd look suspicious either way. Flat out denying what's already been recorded also makes him look like a liar.

[@jaymills6691]

@@whitneymiller3809 Fair enough but lets be honest no one would’ve even known if it wasn’t for Partrick CC’s detective work.😂

[@JacksonWitsell]

Seems like Josh held/holds a lot of resentment towards Drake for outshining him in their younger years, and Drake's life spiraled out of control after they stopped working together. Kind of sad how much the show ultimately hurt them as people even though they had magical chemistry on screen.

[@_V.Va_]

Yeah, actors are called actors for a reason.

[@ShazeemKhan]

People want fame and fortune but when they get it, they can't handle it

[@KaiDecadence]

@@ShazeemKhan A tale as old as time unfortunately.

[@ShazeemKhan]

@@KaiDecadence eat little and live long as we say in Trinidad🇹🇹

[@trevorphilips9065]

@@ShazeemKhan I still want it

[@cocogoat1111]

I've had people I felt super close to and it felt like our friendship would never change, as close as siblings, and feel we'd always be close friends with the same inside jokes forever... but then time passes and they become like a stranger and those friendship feelings have fizzled out. It's really sad how fickle human emotions can be.

[@Mel-qs8wx]

Claim the angel number on the likes:)

[@mehdirahan6943]

Felt this one. It's truly unfortunate but I will say that you will grow, make new friendships and relationships and even if they are gone after a while, understand they were meant for a certain period of time. Some friendships and relationships may last for generations. I say it's best to cherish memories and even if they can't happen again, at least you learned something from it.

[@sirlink9611]

Damn bro, don't make me shed a tear over here 🤣

[@_V.Va_]

The fortunate side is you don't really care afterwards and learn to enjoy your new friendships.

[@thomasmidnight8486]

I feel that. When I graduated high school, I lost 95% of my “friends.” Its crazy how many people are there because they physically have to be instead of wanting to be.

[@imadergon5314]

It feels Drake tried to cling claw and hold onto their past and genuinely loved their friendship with everything while Josh tried to do everything he could to forget and pretend like it was never there.

[@TheMrchachalaka]

Drake wasn't even against the idea of parodying himself and his personal life and career for the show, he just had a different idea of how the culture he loves and understands was represented, to me that shows the type of guy he is at least on a proffesional level

[@peachy4713]

Yes I respect him for that

[@colt1903]

Yep yep

[@npc5983]

yeah, that makes sense

[@mattatron3152]

Yeah-excluding his actions against underage girls-I don't hate Drake and think he's more likable than Josh

[@jsmithers.]

@@mattatron3152 People are saying a lot of that stuff wasn't actually true. Only him texting a girl he didn't know was 17. And stopping when he found out.

[@bluedreamyellowblack4745]

As a Mexican, I am disappointed in hearing Josh was all for stereotyping Mexico in that manner when he, to fit in, did drugs that ultimately fund the cartels that murder people in said country. Plus, he knows what it’s like to be stereotyped and made fun off. I ain’t siding with drake at all, but this video makes me at least respect him for not wanting to stereotype an entire country. Shame on Josh.

[@stevenprado2491]

Same. It really came off as him not only mocking Drake’s career but insinuating that Mexican fans are somehow worth less than American ones (despite the heavy amount of Latino fans he also has). I don’t know he just comes off as disingenuous overall.

[@ChristopherTom]

Yeah, I'm not siding with Drake either but good on him for not doing that reboot honestly.

[@stoneheart_raven]

Such a disappointment. Both of them just ruined their reputations. I would watch their shows on repeat for years and to see Josh stereotype and Drake's Fuck up with a minor. That was not a reboot idea that was just a way to gloat and piss on a culture.

[@The_Real_Frisbee]

@M I do agree with you, let me start off with that. However, the bigger issue isn't how Mexican's would view the episode, it's about how Americans would view it. Remember that we get offended over everything that is remotely stereotypical, even if the stereotype is true. If they did the reboot as planned, there would've been a massive backlash.

[@SmileBaby143]

@M I mean as someone who travels a lot yo Mexico and have family there, it definitely depends who you hang out with cause sometimes the people you least expect to be In that business are, i don’t judge them but it gets dangerous when people get greedy and then that’s why you have all the rival cartels and them killing family to get back at each other. Most people who aren’t like famous in demand people or are selling drugs don’t really find themselves in the middle of that stuff, unless they said or did something to piss them off.

[@inevitable2103]

Tbh it seems like Josh always had a thing against Drake during and after Drake and Josh. You can tell by how much the show affected him and how he refused to be number two anymore even in the Reboot. It honestly comes across as jealously, even from a long time ago. If you really became so successful, why do you still need to fulfill your ego from a show a long time ago?

[@stop.juststop]

I’d say more resentment than jealousy. But probably both.

[@PianoWolfg]

Some people never move on, but still, it was very petty of him to propose a reboot where he was the one on top, it would be more fun to just have 2 brothers doing fine hanging out together, I mean the chemistry was there, what more do you need

[@tuelzalt]

@@PianoWolfg yeah there more incidents where Josh lied even more that Pat missed. He just seems corny tbh and hated Drake because he had a normal childhood.

[@stoneheart_raven]

IDK why Josh is complaining, he did what many child actors fail to do. branch out and not be typecasted. The reboot ideas were more retaliation instead of being fun for fans.

[@rexstevenson3239]

Definitely Josh just trying to make up for loss times. He still hasn’t surpassed the drake and Josh stardom

[@IIRomoII]

Your description of how Drake had it so well aged like milk man, no hate but you made some wild assumptions

[@juba1479]

What I see from this: Drake was always Josh's friend and just made some bad decisions in life. Josh agreed to be Drake's friend as long as there was a camera rolling to give him good pres and please the fans. Josh could have told Drake "look I'm not really your friend this is just professional acting" but he kept silent while Drake always thought he had a true friend.

[@eeriemist847]

Aw, that is so sad

[@JesiPuff93]

while I don't agree with the bad things Drake has done, the line in this video where Drake hasn't badmouthed Josh and wants to be friends made me really sad.

[@shayla106]

Drake was proven innocent. He was only found guilty of unknowingly talking to an underage girl, that’s it.

[@younglihying]

Geez… That was nasty Josh. You really need some professional fixing right there

[@intelligentduck9255]

Drake didn't make mistakes. Drake was a pedo who groomed a young child. He admitted

[@KyokaXMay]

The biggest issue I have with Josh is that his “friends” are always problematic people that he already most likely knows what they do, but the moment it comes to light, he’s like “I was never friends with these people” or “we weren’t close”, when that’s obviously a lie. He does this to avoid criticism & being cancel because he allows himself to befriend horrible people in order to stay relevant.

[@caelum9471]

Yeah but the difference is I very, very highly doubt Josh knew of Drake's court situation, but either way yeah I agree, it's pretty clear he doesn't like to tell the truth about his shitty friends. I can only assume that he's saying these things because of the situation, and if he acknowledged Drake as a friend, they'd not only lump them together again(which I assume he doesn't necessarily want again), but also lump them together as disgusting people. All he had to do was say he was friends with him until he found out, and now wants nothing to do with him. But now his choice makes him look bad lmao

[@abdurrahmanqureshi3030]

@@caelum9471 That's called Karma, trying to bring Drake down when hes at his lowest exposed him for who he is.

[@NecoTheSergalGAME]

Reminds me of celebtries knowing Epstein but ignoring his crimes and still hanging out with them at parties, only when he gets caught did they act distanced from the child diddler, Hollywood in a nutshell.

[@TrollBot.]

Yeah like the Paul brothers, say what you want but their pretty douchy guys so I dont buy the "I wasnt really friends with them" bs!

[@wendzeg]

Yeah and he has this huge fear of being X’d out , or looked at as something bad

[@iResonate]

It seems to me that Drake has always, in his mind, considered Josh and himself to be close friends, but Josh maybe never did. Or maybe Josh did at one point considered him and Drake friends but at some point stopped. And now that the popularity tables have turned Josh wants to distance himself, but Drake's view of their friendship has never changed from what I've seen. It seems to me Josh is a bit duplicitous and maybe a little fake. This is just my outside perspective though of course based on the information in this video, idk these people at all.

[@jessemartinez243]

They were clearly always friends you can watch their vlogs together and their chemistry. Josh is just lying so people do not associate him with drake in any way, josh knows he can get into trouble if someone says "why did Josh never say anything about drake being into underage girls?"

[@antibabylon5535]

Most Jews are

[@VictoryReviews]

Exactly

[@hwroin]

@@jessemartinez243 that some true friend behaviour right there. acting like you were never friends, or more likely that its true and josh never thought of drake as a friend and more of an acquaintance

[@jessemartinez243]

@@hwroin really dude these guys spend a huge chunk of their childhood together. Theres no way in hell they are not friends

[@DerrickGordon-w1x]

Yeah I think it was the other way around Josh had no idea what drake was going through behind the scenes. Time for an updated video

[@fungusamungus9961]

This is the comment I was looking for.

[@zach4thlife]

Yup

[@katelynbrown98]

Could be both

[@sessaku9361]

I'm extremely shocked hearing these things about Josh. Especially the reboot idea with switching the names and the racial stereotyping, as well as trying to portray Drake as a failure. This really sounds like Josh just wanting to rub in that he was the one who was mocked as a child and is now several times more successful than Drake. As terrible as the things were that Drake did, I 100% understand why he didn't agree to that ridiculous idea. I feel like Josh was trying to do to Drake what people have been doing to him when he was a child non-stop. I always viewed Josh's change as this beautiful development into a better person but this sounds like he's just become exactly the kind of person that kept him down when he was young. Essentially they became their early characters in real life, just reversed.

[@chrisxwavy]

Im sure he wouldn’t want to take that out on drake if the jokes were only in the show

[@StargazerZ99]

@@chrisxwavy Whether jokes were made to Josh inside or outside of the show by Drake or anyone else, no matter how harmless or harmful they may have been, Josh needs to learn to let go of his grudges... Its been exactly a decade and a half since the end of their show, and Josh has made great changes for himself and his life. I understand wanting to distance himself from Drake because of the accusations against him, but Josh shouldn't lie about any of their past interactions and genuine friendship that they did have; even if it lasted only for a while. He can't keep holding it against Drake for what happened in the past. People say Drake should move on from the past regarding the fame of the show, and I agree, but Josh should also move on from that past as well; specifically for how he was mocked when he was younger. He needs to let that all go, just as much as Drake needs to. Its both disappointing and shameful to see Josh act this way and lie about these things regarding him and Drake, along with his attitude about it. And it makes it all the more sad and heartbreaking that Drake genuinely does seem to want to be friends with Josh still, speaking highly of him and wishing nothing but the best for him...

[@LynxStarAuto]

That's just typical Hollywood bullying. It's about power, and control. Feeding on the more needy. Hollywood as a twisted and demented sense of morality and reality.

[@StargazerZ99]

@@LynxStarAuto It really does, which is extremely unfortunate and just plain wrong.

[@ledgaming6489]

The “racial stereotyping” thing is really Blown out of proportion. That’s not racial stereotyping

[@Iceblade269]

What saddens me of Josh’s take on the show is that there were multiple episodes dispelling the idea that Josh was the side character. The “I’m done” episode was the icing on the cake, but there were many many episodes where Josh came out on top or how Draje needed Josh’s help to bail him out of a bad situation. I saw them both as the star characters, not just one

[@KaiDecadence]

Same. I was surprised to hear that's what some fans though, that Drake was the main character while Josh was a sidekick. I always thought both characters shared the main role and did it well playing up to the pros and cons of the brothers. There was no one over the other type feeling at all.

[@Jose-Luis.Garnica-Sanchez]

True, but that was after the show had time to develop. In the earlier episodes he was clearly the punchline and he can't unsee that as he'll be drawn more those episodes since they left an emotional impact on him. He also knew that if he didn't lose weight he would probably remain as the punchline since I'm pretty sure he wasn't instructed to do it for his role in show

[@bigb2650]

Well said brotha

[@codyj6505]

He probably just hated being the fat & goofy one for most of the show until he lost weight. From his perspective, Drake had it made during the show while he got the short end of the stick. I'm sure he had fan girls but I'm just as sure he looked at Drake who was probably as much as a ladies man IRL due to the fame and felt like he wasn't getting the same attention or some sort of version of this. I saw them both as the MCs for sure but I can understand how growing up as chubby as he did that Josh might've felt bitter about his fame vs the fame Drake used to hold.

[@alexmaur8817]

Lol Megan is the side character

[@Alan-jv5fq]

The fact that Drake is the one who wants to be Josh’s brother irl, and Josh neglecting him, like literally the other way around of how the show was at the start, is heart breakingly ironic.

[@spiritualak5147]

It’s crazy I feel so sorry for drake

[@_jackcarmichael]

Josh to me seems like he has a vengeance against drake because he was the nerdy unpopular one in the show. Josh tries to salvage the friendship between him and drake because ultimately that’s what fans want, but at the first sign of doing bigger things or the chance to throw him under the bus he will. Drake seems like he was on top of the world and now has to deal with the pressure of losing that, Josh never had that. Yes what drake did is shit , but if the evidence says he stopped when he found out the age , you can’t fault him I guess , creepy but he knew when to stop when so many didn’t. When offered a new show Josh wanted to be the main title, kinda showing how social media and the fake influencers he hung around with has changed him…. Drake on the other hand saw the show was gonna depict Mexico in a bad light and stepped away…. Drake honestly seems like the better of the two

[@elsahultin7956]

100% agree

[@KeikoKeepSmiling]

I don’t think the social media influencers changed Josh at all. I think he harbors a lot of resentment towards Drake because, in their youth, he was everything you mentioned above. He was nerdy presenting, obese, and a social outcast. You’d be surprised how long jealousy lasts. Sometimes a lifetime. Even though Drake may be doing worse than him by most standards? He’s still kicking him while down. And Josh’s motives are clear.

[@dwaynekeenum1916]

No

[@MasterOfViewership]

Drake didn't stop

[@henryreturns1397]

A bit late on my reply but , you know how fuck up is it what he did to a minor?

[@miltaire3235]

Came into this only knowing about Drake’s disgusting actions, but now I’m coming out disliking both. Josh really didn’t need to lie about their relationship, he could’ve just been honest and said he didn’t condone his actions. That and the whole reboot idea where he just comes across as arrogant

[@ccourtesy7]

He literally said they had no communication for 10 years and it all got debunked. Watch the video

[@JJ77XOXO]

I had never liked Josh even as a child. Something about him rubbed me the wrong way.

[@SESH710]

@@ccourtesy7 ?

[@trevorphilips9065]

Someone didn't hear about the news

[@ma.2089]

@@JJ77XOXO you disliked a child? I think that says more about you than it does about Josh

[@helloyassine]

I had no idea they were even considering rebooting it as adults, would have been interesting to see how that unfolded. I was able to catch a good amount of episodes of the That's So Raven reboot and that show was entertaining. It's sad to see Josh outright lie just to "save face" I guess? But nobody would have blamed him for anything that Drake was getting accused of now..

[@SweaterSwagg]

What's poppin', yassine! 🙏

[@scarwars]

Are you talking about raven’s home

[@reynaldoponce3422]

Yes people like to blame everything nowadays they would have said why were you friends with Drake and so on

[@flashfunk0373]

@@scarwars Yep. I find it to be enjoyable imo

[@scarwars]

@@flashfunk0373 I do too! It’s underrated

[@mamafiona5176]

I think they were initially friends but they drifted apart as they grew up. They moved onto different career paths.

[@chrisrockett5897]

That's what I thought.

[@stoneheart_raven]

They were friends. they went through rough patches then eventually drifted. Josh is lying.

[@BrendanJSmith]

The original Egoraptor and JonTron.

[@dondog3123]

@@stoneheart_raven when drake got in trouble for awful things that he did, he saw that as an opportunity to cut him off completely, the friendship rather seems more of one sided

[@dondog3123]

@@mw6ngi0 its literally from the video ?? Did you watched till the end 💀

[@dannybeyondssj]

josh isn't just lying to everyone but also himself. they were so obviously friends.

[@iroiro-u9i]

Well, but were they REAL friends because Josh obviously never liked Drake. He just pretends to.

[@lockandloadlikehell]

​@@iroiro-u9i Psychopath

[@ZeroDividedByZero]

@@iroiro-u9i This.

[@lavoniaholloway1245]

@@iroiro-u9iexactly. You can hang out with somebody because you don’t want to constantly have to hurt their feelings, but that doesn’t mean you think they’re friends. There are people who call me a friend when I literally just met them a couple weeks ago. What am I supposed to say to them when they are just being nice (even if they are moving too fast for me)? It’s kinda like when people feel forced to say “I love you” just so you don’t hurt their feelings (again). Mess is exhausting

[@tommyfraz.]

All Josh had to say, “Drake and I have had a sporadic relationship since filming of D and J ended. While there were times of reunion, they were brief. I, along with everyone, am truly saddened to learn of the accusations that have been made against Drake, and I in no way condone those accusations, or any, behavior that takes advantage of women, of any age.” Lying about stuff, that is easily provable, wasn’t the answer. Especially when he cashed in on the wedding drama.

[@JameseGray1991]

That girl was never taken advantage of. She was bitter over him not speaking to her anymore on Instagram after she received her advice from him. She used a fake ID in order to sneak into his concerts and then went ballistic once he began to get suspicious then worked alongside her aunt to frame him for sexual assault. She also blackmailed his fiance after he blocked her upon learning her age.

[@Justexistingidk]

@@JameseGray1991 SAY IT LOUDER

[@niallreid7664]

@Tashaela Gray The Opportunistic got a link?

[@Emiturbina]

@@JameseGray1991 You can't say stuff like that without a source

[@JameseGray1991]

​@@Emiturbina Drake didn’t rape her. She spammed his Instagram DMs until he noticed & answered. She gave him a sob story & he gave her some advice, as a way to uplift her spirits, then sent her a picture of herself & complimented it. She thanks him for the advice & tells him he doesn’t know just how much he helped her. He never said anything else to her after that. She then started to get obsessive & kept trying to reach out to him (she admits this in the sentencing video), but didn’t succeed. He announces his engagement to his longtime girlfriend of 4 years. After learning about this, she decides to confront him over it, which resulted in her getting blocked by him. She then proceeds to contact his fiancé, now wife, confronting her about her relationship with him & telling her that she should’ve been the one to be with Drake instead of her. She then started stalking her page, thus proceeding to blackmail her with the allegations, threatening to tell the world that Drake had raped her. Here's a link to her (his wife’s) explanation. twitter.com/FFDBProject/status/1482478278900334594/video/1 All this happened in 2017. The next year, she files a false police report, accusing him of Sexual Assault, grooming, sending her nudes & sexual texts. Now, while she’s doing this, Janet (his wife) & Drake are completely unaware that their lives are about to be turned upside down by this stalkerish fan. Drake plans more concerts & she pops up at every one, plus making the effort to attend Meet & Greets since filing the report. Drake & the accuser’s phones were seized by the authorities when she made the claims. The investigation went on for 2 years. The accuser claimed that Drake had groomed her since the age of 12, starting in 2014. This implies that she & Drake were engaging in an online relationship for 3 years. Here's the link to the an interview he did in July where he & his wife explain what really went on during the investigation process: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pn-1h6Z4gbSHfcU According to the accuser, this was apparently going on since the start of he & Janet’s relationship, which began in 2014. The investigators caught her in many other lies besides this big one. More lies included Drake getting sexual with her when she reached age 15. He started calling her “hot” & had sent her pictures of his genitalia. She stated that after she revealed her age, he continued talking to her. The investigators found no proof of that. They also found no proof that he forced her to give him a BJ backstage, fingered her while they both rode in the back seat of her aunt’s car on the way to his show, sent her dick pics, or that she was ever left alone in his hotel room. She, her aunt, & her aunt’s friend were all invited to visit his hotel room after the 2nd show. When they arrived, he was blow drying his hair & when he finished, he gave them a tour, talked to them & they took the conversation out in the hallway. Her aunt told her & her friend to wait out in the hallway while she stayed behind to get her birthday card autographed by him. The accuser told the friend that she was planning on ruining his life because he rejected her advances on Instagram. When she heard this, she was furious & decided to confront the aunt. She then informed the accuser’s mother & they both accused her of lying, which resulted in her being disowned by the family. She had known the accuser & her family for over 20 years. She knew they were setting him up when she was later contacted by the authorities. Both she & Drake each told their side of what happened. She had stated that his life is ruined by this & expressed how hurt she was over being accused of lying. Here's a link to her statement: twitter.com/FFDBProject/status/1482473196079222789/photo/1 The investigators also discovered that the accuser had kept photos of Janet in her phone because she was using them to stalk & harass her over her relationship with Drake. She stated this in a video she made on Instagram earlier this year. I've never heard of a potential victim of Sexual Assault stalking & blackmailing a newly engaged woman because she believed that her fiance should've been with her. The accuser amped up the drama by claiming that Drake gave her nightmares, panic attacks (she pretended to have one right after saying this, which caused Drake to look at her ass as if she was crazy), was the reason that she was in therapy (she was in therapy way before she even met him) & has a lack of trust in men. She stated that had she not been on her period, she was sure that he would've raped her. She also doesn't hesitate to blame her aunt for "allowing" her to be assaulted & that is the reason why their relationship is so rocky, when the actual reason why their relationship is shaky is because she blatantly lied on her. She says that he doesn't have any remorse for the pain he caused her (getting engaged & not being dumb enough to choose a teenager over his girlfriend), that he was a coward for appearing on Zoom instead of in court in person, & doesn't shy away from dragging him over revealing that he was happily married & was a new father & says that he's trying to present himself to the world as a good man just because he had a child (which was his wife's idea to reveal their marital status to the world once everything blew over, as she stated in her video) & that she deserves better than to be used by his "sick desires" before signing off by stating that he is a pedophile & that was his legacy. Because of her, people now believe that he is a pedophile who was cheating with her behind his wife's back, when the girl was already blocked before they even got married. His wife is getting unfair backlash because she stood by him throughout this entire horrific ordeal & they're outright disgusted by his actions because they really believe the things she accused Drake of doing to her & are treating her as if she's an actual victim of abuse, when in reality she was nothing but a stalker who became unhealthily obsessed with Drake to the point of deluding herself into believing that she'd get to be with him the SECOND he acknowledged her. They never had a relationship. He never met her at the club. She showed up there, due to the fact that she’d found out that he was having a concert there because he’d announced it in a tweet to his fans. She’d kept attending his concerts, posing as an 18 year old until he grew suspicious & asked for her age. She confessed that she was 15 & as a result got blocked from his Instagram account. She made his life a living hell because she was pissed at him for blocking her once he learned her real age. He was charged with Child Endangerment, which had something to do with a meet & greet after the 2nd show. He was never charged with any sex crimes & had never plead to them. Her aunt was scheduling meet & greets. The family friend attended 2 out of 9 concerts, which were the concerts she claimed to be assaulted after. Drake Bell was accused by a former fan of sending her "inappropriate messages" when she was a minor. She filed a complaint with the Ohio police & Drake was investigated for 2 years. Electronic devices were siezed & the Instagram/Facebook message file was requested. During the investigation, they realized that Drake cut off communication with the girl when he found out her age. THEY NEVER FOUND INTIMATE IMAGES. There was also no sexual record in these messages. Drake is one of the few artists who really takes the time to respond to networks, open DMs & share. In her case, this ex-fan (& her family) wanted to take advantage of this. The girl's family continued to take her to Drake's shows in Ohio & were with her at all times, even getting Meet & Greet through contacts. She attended 9 shows in total following her accusations. This is mentioned in the trial. During the final hearing, after sentencing Drake for responding to the messages, the "victim" gave further statements WITHOUT PROOF, saying that Drake had abused her. The same lawyers denied it at that precise moment, since there were multiple witnesses. The girl was accusing Drake without evidence and lying in court, because at that time Drake began to make his relationship with Janet more public (when he announced his engagement). There is also evidence that the girl wrote things to Drake like "I miss you", after the accusations & that she kept photos of Drake's partner, even sending her messages & invading her privacy. Drake pleaded guilty for: 1. Exchanging messages WITHOUT KNOWING the age of the girl. This was the advice she seeked out from him on Instagram. 2. Having met her at a Meet & Greet, with other people present, since this for US law is "endangering" a minor. Drake never accepted charges for abusing anyone. Another thing that started as gossip in the United States is that Drake Bell had "escaped" to Mexico to evade his crimes, which is false. Drake likes to visit Mexico and has been coming for years. Your visits have absolutely nothing to do with your case. Drake Bell does NOT live in Mexico nor did he change his nationality and the nickname "Campana" was given to him by the same fans. Drake came this past weekend (May 22) to a festival in Orizaba and was invited to a club in Orizaba and Pachuca. We want to make it very clear that in the trial it is pointed out and highlighted that NONE of the charges that Drake faced have a record of sexual or abuse. So calling him “abuser”, “vi0lad0r”, “ped0phile”, etc. is DEFAMING Drake Bell. The law never found evidence for those accusations." - Taken from the FFDB Project (Fans For Drake Bell) Twitter Page.

[@megahades8296]

the fact that the only thing drake wanted to change about the reboot is the portrayal of his fans shows alot about where he is. he needs the money, but wont trade his fans for it which is extremely respectable especially when u compare him to any popular celeb today.

[@4MonsterhunterStory]

Mexican fans were the only thing Drake had at those times so I am not sure if he made it ONLY out of respecty dude

[@megahades8296]

@@4MonsterhunterStory either u didn't watch the video or didn't read that correctly, because it seems ur missing something.

[@juarezabigail97]

@@4MonsterhunterStory it was respect. He could’ve made the show and gain his American fans again and have a foot in Hollywood again but decided not to

[@casperryborg4869]

So he is respecting his fans, but doing shit with underaged girls? You're either incredibly ignorant or a long time fan that aren't willing to accept the truth.

[@hotel_arcadia]

@@juarezabigail97 And then he (possibly) threw it all away with the child abuse charges.

[@SquidsAgainstChickens]

I’m not surprised that Josh basically lied about their relationship throughout the years. Drake is convicted of something morally repugnant and Josh probably saw that as an opportunity to fully cut him out. Guess their relationship really was one sided and not a two way street.

[@ryanmorrissette27]

I’m not surprised he wants to distance himself as much as possible but all the lies just make it look sketchy and seem as if maybe he knew something

[@SquidsAgainstChickens]

@@ryanmorrissette27 I don’t think he knew something. I just think he never really liked Drake and was just really pushing him under the bus.

[@AnythingLounge]

Josh is acting like a fake friend NGL

[@datfooando_]

Josh is fake and drake is a 🌽 ball

[@BillClinton936]

Yeah fr especially after hearing the repitvh of the show

[@thecaptaintaz420]

With the new show "Quiet in set" that came out. It makes sense Drake didnt return or enjoy his time with the show. Truly heart breaking for all of the kids involved

[@l.o.v.edrive3466]

Drake did some disgusting things and Josh is really two faced. They are both awful but I think why people are a bit upset with Josh is because he is considered a "fake friend" and it hit close to home with most people . Someone who you thought was your friend was really just using you so they can look good, benefits, or forced by peers. Never was your friend and will be probably the first one to ditch you and kick you when your already at your lowest low.

[@FrostRare]

Josh is enjoying his new body and game wayyyy too much. Very creepy. It seems like he’s enjoying screwing over Drake.

[@JameseGray1991]

Drake did disgusting things because the liar in the court video *_said_* he did. The only thing she was honest about the fact that he gave advice to her. Everything else was fabricated. There was no proof of nudes, sex, or sexual messages. The fact that people think that he’d actually did anything sexual to her is sad.

[@FrostRare]

@Matthew Mandrick drake is no saint and clearly has serious problems, but stomping someone into the dirt because you think you’re better than them is arguably way more creepy than being a drunken lunatic. The fact that Josh compared himself to a mafia person and wanted to brag that he essentially made drake his “little bitch” is so narcissistic. At this point, I’d much rather chill with Drake than Josh if I had the option.

[@JaneDoe-ob9dr]

I'm new to this Can you fill me in with josh being a fake friend.

[@tendedwinner748]

@@JaneDoe-ob9dr after drake was accused of endangering minors josh claimed they weren’t friends

[@parkouremaster]

We know the bad things Drake did, but Josh making him an angel by rejecting everything he did alongside with Drake, it's one of the most heartbreaking things, imagine looking at your best bud betray you after you screw up things, it may hurt a lot

[@BlackcrescentAngel17]

The part that confuses me is, Josh is friends (to my knowledge) with David D. And from videos I've seen (because I don't watch David and the 'vlog squad') David can be r@cist, abusive, and straight up mean and those are accusations his ex-friends said. So... if Daivd gets in trouble to the degree of Drake's, will Josh also claim he was never friends with Daivd?? Drake may be a piece of work, but based on who he hangs around with, so is Josh.

[@Palepetal]

As depressing as it is, Josh has his right to sever ties with Drake. A lot of people grew up watching Drake & Josh and have come to think of the two as a package deal. Think of it through Josh's perspective. Your television "partner-in-crime" is an actual felon, and you haven't been friends for years. I understand why Josh would lie and distance himself from Drake.

[@parkouremaster]

@@Palepetal Actually the same video proven they were still friends, that they made videos and stuff, but if that's the case on my case, if i'm asked "hey wasn't you his friend?" i would say "well yes, and acknowledge what he did, but what he did have nothing to do with me, he is my friends but that doesn't i'm in fact part of his crimes, and i would really appreciate if i'm not asked anything more about this case please" and not be "nah fuck him, we never were friends" like Josh did.

[@codesm96]

@@BlackcrescentAngel17 Why do you think Josh hasn't posted a video for nearly two years on his channel with the Vlog squad??? He already distanced himself from David lol but was happy to have all of his videos with him still up, lying exactly like he did with Drake when the evidence of those two from over two years ago hanging out is still there. Josh really stooped low, he needs to be honest and say he's drifted away and wish them the best that's all.

[@codesm96]

@@Palepetal You don't even know what Drake did do you? If you did you wouldn't be calling him 'an actual felon' because it's a situation many unknowing innocent people have been done for as well. It's really unfortunate that people like you believe the lies that basically were out to extort him for money and destroy his career. He could have been much more careful to avoid getting into the situation but that''s about it, he didn't hurt anybody in any way, physically, mentally or sexually.

[@addictivenews]

I like Josh, but he should have been honest from the jump when drake posted those tweets about not getting invited to the wedding. Josh should have responded we never kept in contact with each other since our show ended. But to save his image, he played along with the rekindled friendship fiasco. The fact that Josh is dissing drake now because of his crimes does show how fake he is ( not justifying what drake did it's super nasty).

[@AnythingLounge]

Exactly Josh is acting like a fake friend NGL

[@crystalaforetia2810]

not justifying what *Drake* did

[@jetalone00]

Did we watch the same video? Literally the opposite happened. Josh lied about not contacting him since the show ended but they were hanging out lots of times throughout the years.

[@Arthur-Morgan42069]

How does not siding with a child predator show he's fake?

[@maineman5757]

I think Josh doesn't wasn't people to assume that he was aware of what Drake was really like. In reality Josh probably knew but just ignored it.

[@pecosnick45]

Josh is way more two-faced than I ever would have expected. Pretty sad to see.

[@stews5404]

The entire thing is giving resentment. There's no denying they had an actual relationship outside of the show and were actually friends. Once Josh lost that weight, he tried to flip the script on their dynamic entirely, and that idea for the reboot of the show was TELLING.

[@usualdosage7287]

Idk do y'all have any proof they were friends outside of the show? I never watched it or don't know much about the actors, I'm trying to view this situation from an unbiased perspective not just because drake is charismatic and knows Spanish

[@zedmiasma7304]

@@usualdosage7287no one actually cares that he speaks Spanish or anything about his look or charisma or anything like that. There’s proof in videos and photos. They were shown in this video. Don’t be stupid.

[@SegaGentleman]

​@@usualdosage7287 no proof, just our nostalgic childhood perspectives of their relationship. It was like when we grew up and found out Kenan wanted nothing to do with Kel

[@Theobserver6897]

@@usualdosage7287 there are pictures and stuff from them going to each other’s birthdays and some of them hanging

[@drewscentral5587]

@@usualdosage7287 dude, u need to watch all of the seasons / movies, they are so frickin good! btw thers also a side episode cross over with zoey 101, and with zoey 102 coming back with most of the actors / actresses on board from what I understand. :D

[@hyuckkcuyh]

I'd definitely say Josh Peck's most successful moment in his career was Drake and Josh lol

[@octova5740]

Lmaaaoooo fr

[@zurieljansky28]

@user-ns7qw2kn3c At Least we still have Kenan & Kel. Your right though and I agree for Drake Bell & Josh Peck the most successful project they were ever apart of was the Drake & Josh Show (2004-2007). It stinks that things panned out the way they did, but it is was it is.

[@zurieljansky28]

Josh Peck in my opinion is a D-Bag. He is not a true friend, he is just trying to stay relevant anyway he can. I'm not going to say he the greatest actor or he is the funniest actor, he's average. Drake Bell on the other hand, he is problematic for sure. But at least he moved on with his career after Drake and Josh with his music career in Mexico, and taking small roles in film and TV. Some people may not know this, but before Drake and Josh. Kenan & Kel were the OG Nickelodeon Duo. Just like Drake and Josh they were on a successful sketch comedy show call All That, and shortly thereafter they got their own sitcom while still on All That. After Kenan & Kel the show ended, Kenan and Kel went their separate ways. Kenan is the longest running cast member on SNL, and Kel I believe is now a pastor, and he still does act occasionally. But my point is that there was also a time where just like Drake and Josh, Kenan and Kel also had a little bit of beef for a point in time. But now they are just as close as ever. They just recently did a Kenan and Kel sketch on SNL with Keke Palmer who was also on Nickelodeon.

[@Stervelar]

Lol Me too, personally I never heard of them again and it's not like Josh is actively getting any important roles for big movies. Ignoring the accusations against Drake, that apparently he got out innocent anyway, Drake is pretty successful in Mexico and Latin America and Josh is doing more or less "alright" as an actor and influencer... I don't see why Josh needs to act like if he was... Idk Dwayne Jhonson? And anyway, having a successful career do not justify acting like a scumbag toward others, if Drake offended him, he could just keep his distance, pretty nasty move to pretend everything's alright and then stab him the moment Drake got in trouble.

[@chriswilliams4700]

@@Stervelar To be fair, he is going to be in the upcoming Oppenheimer film which is made by Christopher Nolan. But you’re right, Josh hasn’t really been that successful and the way he has handled the Drake situation makes me think way differently about him. He seems fake now, which is sad because he seemed way different when he was younger

[@jezzhem]

I'm Mexican, I've lived in Mexico forever and I think it's important to tell you that on open TV they have repeated Drake and Josh too many times, I mean they have their fixed schedule in the programming and it has been that way for years, so I want to think that this is the reason why mexico really loves Drake like crazy.

[@Spongebrain97]

So they keep showing reruns?

[@jezzhem]

@@Spongebrain97 Yes!! 😁

[@lyamelmoreta6187]

I think part of it also has to do with the amazing performance of Drake's voice actor in Spanish, it elevated the character so much!

[@user-ls2jg7vl2h]

I’m from Mexico and I agree

[@Nonresponder01]

More reruns than Chavo del 8??? Chanfle

[@saram5964]

If only we knew what we know now. Hearing “Josh was going through a hard time” is insane now

[@SarahIlayda]

It makes me really sad that Josh would just lie about their friendship even if Drake is publicly shunned. What a shameful thing to do, it also assumes that public is stupid enough to believe his lies when there's video evidence.

[@cmd0113]

@@youropinionsareshitandsoar1954 Saying you were "never" friends is the problem. It's ok to break your ties with someone who turns out to be problematic, but it's weird to lie that you weren't friends before the whole situation speciallly when there's evidence of you two being close.

[@casswashwash1070]

@@cmd0113 who cares. Id be ashamed too

[@cmd0113]

@@casswashwash1070 not saying he shouldn't be genius

[@slowkugaming4945]

​@@cmd0113 Lol my man you forget that most people don't use logic.

[@Hellraiser988]

Do anyone criticizing Drake realize 1 once he found out her age he cut ties immediately meaning he's not a pedo he just walked into a trap hopefully he learns to ask for ID first now and 2 everyone else was dismissed because there was no proof

[@lankyboygabe4221]

Never in a million years would have I guessed this is what this channel would make videos on. But I really enjoy this shit so I’m not complaining. As long as you’re having fun making these pat, keep it up man, love this stuff

[@PatrickCc]

I am interested in way more things beyond music. Unfortunately KZbin algorithm is very strict on people making the same content style. So I have to be strategic when trying to branch out

[@frasik]

I prefer these over the music ones tbh

[@original_shmirko_account]

@@PatrickCc These vids seen to do great tho, feel like your existing audience just likes this type of content and the different topics attract other people that are interested in them

[@jumpy2xstreaming]

These are like 1000% more interesting than music because I think most of us are in the same or at least same 2 generations so we watched this stuff

[@solongsuicide9]

I've always been obsessed with music, & these new videos are on subjects I didn't realise I was interested in, all that much, until seeing the video, so you're great at finding a niché/somethingmore unique, & the videos are always well researched, so I'm loving all the content. Keep up the good work & I'm sure your channel will continue to grow.

[@MatthewChenault]

I think what Josh said about Drake was a full mask reveal of his true feelings. Most of what Josh did with Drake - such as the KZbin videos and the few other interactions that happened - was for the fans, not how he actually felt. I think that Josh has always felt this way about Drake. He didn’t like him and he didn’t like being played as the “fat nerd” by the show. In a way, I think he always resented Drake for always being touted as what a “cool person” should be and how the show, itself, elevated Drake. Resentment is bred when favoritism is played. What I see with this is Josh finally distancing himself from Drake and making it clear to the fans of the Sit-Com that they were never the brothers they had been portrayed as. My main issue with how he acted has to do with the immorality of it. Drake has done a bad thing, yes, but that does not mean you kick them further while they’re down. It reflects upon your moral character when you add insult to injury instead of extending an olive branch and say that you still care for them, even if you don’t view him as a friend.

[@Izak_James]

my same feelings as well

[@newp0rt]

yeah and the fact that drake has been positive the whole time about it and only talks good about josh kinda hurts. i truly dont like the kind of person josh has become. he seems really untrustworthy.

[@TheGothGaming]

I was going to comment the same thing. it is obvious that Josh has always resented Drake, and that is not Drake's fault at all. Drake has made mistakes but you can see how chill and wholesome he is. he really likes his mexican fanbase to the point he went full spanish for them. Drake is not a bad person despite his mistakes. josh really looks like the snake in this situation.

[@PeterGriffin11]

Maybe I'd agree with you but as shown in this video there are pictures of them both hanging out together on their own personal at parties and on holidays away from all the camera's if Josh didn't wanna hang out with Drake why spend time with him off the camera like that?

[@Spartan322]

I'm not so sure Drake is as guilty as he's being made out to be, only one part of it was proven in court, and even that is so tame its not worth being cancelled over, and its not his fault if the girl doesn't disclose her actual age, its not the most upstanding thing but it shouldn't be something to cancel someone over.

[@CZsWorld]

I KNEW IT. I knew Josh was on drugs. It became apparent in the Dax Flame interview.

[@Abyssal23]

No way I found you here again😂

[@Abyssal23]

Also only 1 like

[@amnabeg679]

Hey I follow your channel love your work 😊

[@NightQueenTV7]

CZs World!

[@martinxavier4631]

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[@22Hammy]

man, imagine still being bitter about a show that you did in 2005 and deciding to make a reboot that would make you feel better about yourself because you played a funny character

[@saltycomet]

Right. Lives in his head still

[@aaronlofa6510]

I can imagine how being known as the fat goofy kid most of your time growing up would give someone a "cool kid" complex

[@TheConuresrule]

Josh acts like he had a horrible life when in all actually after his fame in Nick I'm sure we saw more money than a working adult would see in their life time.

[@tylere.8436]

@@saltycomet Well yeah, when you think of Josh Peck, what comes to mind, now ask that same question to your friends and others around, the answer will nearly be unanimous, he's typecasted. Same with Drake.

[@hypeman1825]

Like I can actually understand the idea that Drake didn't really make it while Josh who was smart did. But there is alot of obvious ego and disrespect in that reboot from what I could learn about it.

[@bobsmith8405]

It feels more like Josh let his insecurities overtake his emotions and didn't care for Drake while Drake actually wanted to be friends. In the end both seem to have been bad on either end and neither can necessarily be liked. There was also the whole Josh and Oprah thing after the show that I remember people blowing up about a little.

[@jamielove2045]

Oprah thing?

[@gaaraxnaru]

What Oprah thing? It sounds vaguely familiar.

[@Ldtattoos]

@@gaaraxnaru when he ran her over

[@gaaraxnaru]

@@Ldtattoos That was in the show. I thought they were talking about something real.

[@Ldtattoos]

@BigPP Johnson josh ran over oprah in a eps thats what he is talking about i think he is serious too

[@vejituh3141]

That last point you made gave me chills bro, that episode always felt different than the rest and now to an ironic degree

[@abbeymiller6277]

It's all such a different perspective now that Drake came forward about his abuse. Would love a another video like this but including what would know now about Drake's life.

[@halban3322]

Why what happened?

[@fiunky2796]

It is unfortunate to know that Josh seems to be looking for some clout in this matter. I get that Josh wanted to become something more of himself and he seems like a very cool guy to be around but for him to just start giving the middle finger to Drake at his worse seems very low. Alas, we don't really know what happened behind the scenes and from what is gathered, it does seem like Josh wants to cut all ties with anything to do with Drake Bell.

[@ambriaashley3383]

Not sure how it's "low" given what Drake is convicted of. Maybe Josh is now seeing this darker side to him that he wasn't aware of before. Seems like the healthy thing to cut ties at that point. He doesn't owe Drake anything. The survivor deserves justice, and Drake needs help, but who says that help has to come from a 'friend' he is no longer that close with?

[@Coldoroki]

@@ambriaashley3383 he doesn’t have to blatantly lie to cut ties with someone, he’s just out here trying to promote his book with fake drama.

[@maineman5757]

I think Josh doesn't wasn't people to assume that he was aware of what Drake was really like. In reality Josh probably knew but just ignored it.

[@ResistingMonkey]

@Guts what do you mean really like drake stop all Contact with the girl after finding her age I don't see how Josh was in the right to lie and pitch a show idea just to inflate his only ego

[@maineman5757]

@@ResistingMonkey Drake has a long history of allegations about being a terrible person. You should look into to it if you want to know.

[@caitybug8424]

The video at the end made me emotional. There's something about growing up with a child star and watching them and their friendships deteriorate that hurts so bad. Also big shout out to Amanda Bynes their former co-star, for trying to battle her demons

[@PandGontop]

they didn’t know you

[@whatchahowsya8688]

I resonated with Josh's character so much, being the fat friend myself growing up. Having to make yourself a butt of the joke so people like and want to hang out with you. I get it. The jokes and laughs become a mask. But I wouldn't stoop so low as to wait for someone (who is seemingly called a "brother") to completely fall and kick him on the ground. Drake isn't a great guy, but Josh went from being portrayed as a "pathetic" character on a comedy show to kinda just being a pathetic person in general.

[@InfinityReptar]

"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."

[@johnreese7205]

That's how I feel about it

[@marnalamha6797]

Couldn’t agree more

[@heb430]

They fell in the same way older comic duos were bound to fall. These positions in life seem to have a dark destiny. The classic/old duos talked about briefly have had their share of josh and drake drama in real life.

Here in Mexico we still love Drake, he had been in big podcast and interviews and the reasons is because he shows who he is, he is not trying to portrait himself as something he is not and we appreciate that meanwhile Josh is that uncle that tries to steal your grandmom lands when they think nobody suspects them We don't trust people like Josh

[@Nero-pr3ps]

México tiene una obsesión por hacer famoso a cualquiera que hable bonito de México y Drake no es mejor persona que Josh, literalmente es un criminal. 🤨

[@nubeflotantee]

el maldito se quiere quedar con las tierras de la abuela

[@Blackraregem]

But I love my Afro black Mexican people not white Mexicans

[@toastx_]

@@Blackraregemnah you gotta love all Mexicans…that’s like me saying I only like the real dark black people and not the light skins…

[@expiredfroyo]

@@toastx_omg this is so true lol

[@OhFrittata]

Damn, this whole scenario is just so damn sad. Drake being accidentally involved with a minor, and Josh lying about them ever being friends to save face. One of, if not the best, teen sitcoms ever to come out and the real life friendship ended in nothing but tragedy.

[@R.R.R.712]

Bruh, is this the reboot we are looking for?! (I am joking btw)

[@theunhingedgamer3762]

thing is Josh lying isn't gonna save him given how cancel culture behaves anymore which means he'll be guilty by association in the eyes of the internet plus anyone with a brain can tell they were good friends just by looking at how they were in the past

[@ashleyoasis7948]

Sure I can get josh secret anger of being the punching bag dunce hat clown and how that may add resentment as he was paraded like a fool as drake the chad ones him up must of been embarrassing for him to watch once he was older and could tell he was just the side kick for comedy.but then I don’t appreciate how josh now turns into the so called cool kid and takes his revenge on drake that it was not him writing the scripts now the tables have turned

[@bierwolf8360]

dude, she was 15. In some countries, that's totally legal because guess what: they're nowhere near as innocent as you think.

[@ThugHunter444]

All he did was talk to a girl he thought was of age, and then when he found out her age, he dropped all communication. The girl along with her friends and family openly admitted she was lying about the more extreme stuff he was accused of.

[@masterredness]

It’s ironic to think that the show was both the greatest and worst mistake of their lives… Yes they were famous because of it, but they are also trapped and bound to it for the rest of their careers... Almost nothing will make them higher than that show, yet it’s what tore them apart the most. What’s even more funny is that Megan (Maranda) always came up on top of both of them. Apparently she still is in real life as well. Oh Megan…

[@doubleflores8350]

Maybe that was her biggest prank of them all making sure drake and Josh still lived in that show’s shadow while she went on to be more well known in iCarly. Truly the joke was on them.

[@jakesteel90]

Megan seems way more down to earth than both of them but especially Josh

[@colt1903]

All three of them need to get together so she can smack some sense into them one last time

[@徳-r8j]

[Drake & Josh in the Amanda Show] >>>>> [Drake and Josh in Drake and Josh]

[@justnoel4088]

Tbf, horrible comparison, but at least they are doing better than some of the Disney kids. Look up what happened to Cory from That's So Raven and Cory in the House

[@tantotopps]

That ending really got to me. it breaks my heart to see so many things from my childhood get uncovered for what they truly had going on underneath. Life’s so innocent when you’re younger, and you never realize until you’re paying bills.

[@skudkid4561]

Hands up if you came to this vid in 2024 off the back of Quiet on set: the dark side of kids TV.

[@Sota_Saiyan]

Is any of this in that new documentary?

[@CyberStockholmSyndrome]

I kind of feel bad for Josh as someone who grew up as the overweight kid. The shit you deal with as a kid affects you for a super long time. But he needs to grow up. I know he probably felt a level of animosity, and used Drake’s issues as an out.

[@cutienerdgirl]

Yeah, Josh needs to let go of that jealousy and resentment because Drake didn't even do anything to him.

[@casswashwash1070]

@@cutienerdgirl yes but drakes a pedophile so

[@mimi19932]

After watching this video I realized one thing, Josh never considered Drake a friend ever. He was always jealous of the fact that Drake got more recognition and awards out of the show whereas Josh only remained a sidekick. The "Josh & Drake" idea pretty much sums up the situation between both. In the reboot they could have easily played a whole bunch of different characters so why the loser/winner trope then? Not gonna lie I always felt something's off with the adult Josh and he isn't that sweet as he appears to be. While, Drake is problematic himself, it really seemed like he at least considered Josh a friend. In the end both are problematic!

[@Djentlemanthall]

Search up Mean Creek the truth on here lol that’s actual Josh

[@gabsnandes7818]

I feel something is off, especially with the spinoff, the KZbin videos, if you weren't friends, why tf do videos and other stuff promoting a friendship? Especially because the other half clearly see you as a friend, it feels exploitative

[@Mike-fu8pk]

I wouldn't even mind the loser/winner trope, it worked well in the original show and eventually flipped in later seasons, which they could have recreated and even symbolized Drakes revival in acting. What bothered me was how personal it was, that he had to be a failed musician with a Mexican following. That he had to play a rock bottom version of himself.

[@stews5404]

@@Djentlemanthall Exactly.

[@stews5404]

BINGO.

[@britc.3536]

Finding out that Josh just wanted to make bank off of Drake's issues is sad, and it breaks my heart because I didn't see the show as Drake was the gold and Josh was the silver, I saw them both as stars of their show. TBH, I feel like the insecurities that Josh had as a kid spilled over into his adulthood, and turned him into this bitter, asshole-ish guy that never really grew of the that childish "I'm better than you!" mentality. He seems ... Not intimidated by Drake's abilities as an actor, but almost jealous of him as a whole. Adding to it, it just ... saddens me deeply that he would use Drake's failures and legal issues, even stereotyping a country rich in food, culture, and people as a backdrop for his ego trip. If this was the premise of the reboot, the stereotyping of Mexico, making fun of his former costar, and trying to make himself look as good as possible while making his costar look just as bad in fiction as he does in reality? That's not a reboot I want to watch, it's something that I wouldn't even associate with because ... It's just really shitty. You don't capitalize on other people's struggles and come out looking like the good guy. Drake's not that great of a guy, but Josh doing this makes him even worse.

[@JameseGray1991]

Drake's been catching hell for YEARS. The tweet to Caitlyn Jenner made people believe that he was transphobic. The Twitter fight with Justin Bieber's fans meant that he was a jealous hasbeen. Some fans sent him death threats & they were ecstatic about Justin making an appearance to his album release party in 2014. The tweets he made in regards to not being invited to Josh's wedding 3 years later & is called an entitled drama seeker. In 2020, an ex-girlfriend of his makes a Tik Tok video claiming to have been physically assaulted by him throughout their relationship (when he gets drunk), as well as accusations of Pedophilia, claims that she has proof that indicates that he dragged her down some stairs & that her face hit every step. Now, people view him as a woman beater & are now speculating that he beats his wife. And last year, gets arrested for charges of Child Endangerment, & while in court, gets accused of Pedophilia AGAIN, by a young fan of his who fabricated a story about being groomed by him since age 12 & claims that they engaged in an online relationship together & flat out SLANDERS his name. He's now labeled a rapist & once _again_ there is speculation that Josh knew all about this behavior & that that is the reason why he wasn't invited to the wedding. Fuck Josh for that script & anybody who screeched at his wife, who's family is Mexican, for being offended seriously need to put themselves in her shoes. Would any wife be okay with an ex friend of their husband poking fun at their country?

[@clared5812]

Lol josh is definitely not worse than drake, a known sexual predator, for being a bad friend. He’s definitely scummy for this, but not worse than drake

[@priscillatorres501]

Agreed

[@abimaellopezmaylord27lopez7]

@@JameseGray1991 and european famous people make fun of other countries

[@abimaellopezmaylord27lopez7]

@@priscillatorres501 and european hosts make fun of other countries

[@dandychiggins7240]

10:40 ew. I am honestly disgusted by the guy. It seems like he's always been jealous of Drake and is still super salty and wanted to humilliate him. So sad.

[@jagi7976]

Drake may be a felon and all of that, but I still get the impression that he was a good friend to Josh and always tried to do right by him. Drake having nothing but good things to say about Josh on his podcast says a lot. Josh seems desperate to fit in, to get that validation that he didn’t get when he was fat. Just by being in affiliation with David Dobrik’s squad, you can tell he is desperate to be in the in-crowd. And what the fuck is that Josh & Drake pitch? He really needs to bring Drake down to feel good about himself? Either way, really sad to see a friend switch up on another friend like that, and deny their history.

[@casperryborg4869]

The fact that you're so easily pushing aside the fact that he might be a child molester is CREEPY! One is insecure and simply want attention. The other is breaking the law and abusing his girlfriend. It is pretty clear who is the better person.

[@jagi7976]

@@casperryborg4869 I’m not trying to judge on who’s the better person, just who’s the better friend to the other

[@Indomitable_Alykat]

It is really sad to see. It reeks of insecurity tbh

[@margaux5810]

Tbh ur right but the only reason I could think of josh being so weird ab this is bc he’ probably tells himself they really never were friends in the first place, I mean he didn’t tell drake ab his drug addiction, didn’t tell him ab his wedding, lied ab a confrontation, yet still kind of drags him along. He probably ended up resenting him due to the whole fat funny sidekick role he was forced to play. Imagine the self image issues to be constantly told ur less than ur attractive coworker. Josh def has love for drake but it’s so toxic bc in his prime developmental years he was constantly targeted and compared to drake. It was even a joke on the show. Josh deserves to move on completely but it’s a shame he can’t admit he did care ab drake and probably still does but like I said it’s an extremely toxic friendship. Especially after finding out drake is a felon. It makes sense to remove ur self from that persons life but due to my own selfish nostalgia I wish they could’ve fixed things.

[@JungleboyDarrel]

really

[@shayshayshayshayshayshayshay]

You really took what you said at the end of last year seriously, you stepped up your game massively. Your videos all feel like they’re worth watching even if im not interested in the topic (this one I definitely was though) and i feel like im getting something out of them. The growth is impressive.

[@josegerardoburciaga7529]

As a mexican I can sort of give you a reason as to why Drake is famous here in Mexico and in general in Latin America. It has something to do with Drake's spanish voice actor Enzo Fortuny. At some point Drake and Enzo met in person and Enzo taught Drake how to say his catch phrases from the show in spanish. And so Drake implemented his phrases in spanish for conventions and fan meetings. Which is why you might say that yes, Drake is more famous in Mexico. Saludos desde México, amigo. :D

[@merricat3025]

I know nothing about these guys, and I'm not Mexican, but I think it's nice that Drake didn't want to portray Mexican in a negative light. It says something good about his character. Maybe he didn't know the ages of girls. I have no idea. This Josh guy was giving Jared from subway vibes. .

[@alulim4968]

@@merricat3025 weeeeell.... if you ask to ACTUAL MEXICANS (including those who really wants a D & J reboot) they would tell you that they would LIKE that "negative portray". There is in fact, more NON-MEXICAN people getting offended by that, while mexicans (myself included) know that is not just a "stereotype", but a reality we ourselves can laugh, I mean, it's not about praising narcos and could be a cool story line. I would love to see D & J reacting to a narco party and northen drug carteles.

[@Mae4Ever]

@@alulim4968 that’s right, amigo. Sometimes it’s ok to laugh at ourselves.

[@truth6383]

I don't think that's why he's so popular in Mexico. Mexicans love American rock, at least it seemed that way when I would visit every summer in the 2000s. As for the narco shit that Josh wanted to put on the show, I'm glad he didn't go for it. It would not have been in a funny way at all. Josh is just salty about Drake for whatever reason, and he would have just degraded Mexicans to make Drake look bad because he's jealous of Drake to this day (even though he's a predator).

[@dman6261]

Hel yeah! Enzo Fortuny's voice was actually as funny as Drake actions, and was great

[@The_Riff_Whisperer]

As a Mexican, I deeply appreciate Drake's efforts to challenge harmful stereotypes about Mexico. I recently returned to the US after a visit to my hometown in Mexico, and I've noticed a stark contrast in perceptions. It seems that Americans harbor more fear about Mexico than Mexicans themselves do. It's important to remember that it wouldn't be fair for the world to associate the United States solely with school shootings, and likewise, it's unjust to define Mexico by the negative portrayals often seen in the media. During my three-week stay in Mexico, or my 18 continuous years living there since i was born there, I didn't encounter anything resembling the fearful scenarios often depicted in the news here. So, I commend Drake for his stance. It just goes to show that even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day.

[@petermj1098]

….Por favor?

[@55rz55]

I didn't understand what the clock metaphor means, but cool.. I guess? 👍

[@origamifox5180]

But mexico is actually bad. Lol. Do you not see all the illegals coming from MX and the rest of latin america? So please, take a seat

[@ek5160]

@@55rz55 an unreliable person can still ocasionally provide good information

[@Tzreoaor]

@The_Riff_Whisperer What you’re failing to mention is Mexico is literally owned by the cartel. The murder rate is 6 times higher in Mexico! You’re ignoring the problems of Mexico because for you it has a lot of nostalgia and memories of growing up. The us is going to be unrecognizable if we continue to allow millions of Hispanic people to come in illegally each year. The current population of undocumented immigrants is over 20 million in America. Just 4 years ago it was less than 8 million. These are people coming in that have barely any education, no desire to assimilate and learn English, and they have morals based on their countries. So next time you want to pretend like our “fear” of Mexico is unwarranted please check yourself.

[@IsaiahBerlanga]

i really learn a lot with the way you just tell these stories n how its edited from one content creator to another this is beautiful man

[@PatrickCc]

keep grinding bro!

[@themrrightleft417]

As a Mexican, I can try to explain a bit the reason for the popularity of Drake Bell in the country. While the show was originally shown in the Nickelodeon channel, at around 2006-2007 it started being syndicalized in the national network, in Canal 5, which is like, the kids-teens channel in the country in the 4-5 bloc. This lead to an increase in the popularity, as it was easily accessible to all the people that had a TV in the country. It ran for a long time. I think reruns are still shown to this day, though, I dont use TV that much. It only started being less shown when other nickelodeon sitcoms, like "ICarly" started running in the same networks. In specific, the character of Drake became popular due to the culture of the country. Mexico has, in a sense, a way meaner culture than other countries. Things like bullying as portrayed in 2000's comedies is actually quite common, and even expected in an educational environment or in a normal friendship. If you see any mexican sitcom, I would say they have more in common with something like "Its always sunny in philadelphia", than it has with other sitcoms, like the office. Add to it that the country has a longstanding tradition of characters that are similar to Drake's. Tricksters that get away with almost anything due to their personalities, even with a lack of wits are quite common, such as characters like Tin Tan or Cantinflas. Mix them both, and you get something like Drake. A slightly meaner version of trickster that became popular with the youth, due to it resonating more with them. The mean aspect is downplayed, due to the cultural aspects surrounding the country, and add the trickster aspect and boom, instant popularity. Add to it the fact that he is relatively handsome, and has a decent voice, and it became very popular among younger generations. Sorry for the wall of text, it is just a brief explanation of the popularity in the country.

[@roachtheflorist9492]

I'm born in Texas but am Native Central American, brown & relatives traced to Mexico. Is it true that in Mexico white people are more championed than indigenous or black people?

[@themrrightleft417]

@@roachtheflorist9492 Good Morning. While there is no legal racism in the country against indigenous people, or people descended from African people, there is an implied racist and classist connotation against them. A common misinterpretation in the country along the lines of "In Mexico there is no racism, only classism". Both groups, especially indigenous groups are severely disadvantaged in terms of economic power, due to history of policies that tend to hurt them, and limited opportunities in terms of education and economic growth. While there is no clear data that I can cite of this phenomena, such as incarceration rates, there are clear instances that can be seen to the clear eye. Most celebrities are of a clearer skin tone, and there is a very limited representation of the two groups you mentioned in politics. For example, in the 200 years that our country has implemented democracy, I can only name 3 mexican presidents of indigenous descent. And of those 3, 1 was a dictator of 30 years with a fixation for french culture that severely hurt the indigenous groups, with economic policies that only benefited the european descended population, 1 was someone that seized power through a coup and only lasted months during the Mexican revolution, and the last one (or first one, chronologically) was the first indigenous president in Latin America, who also got power through, let's call it less savory methods (I can't go into details on Benito Juarez, as there is a lot I dont really know about his policies). However, since 1914, when Victoriano Huerta (the coup one) was ousted, there have been no indigenous presidents in the country. There are also other things that can be clearly seen of this phenomenom. Terms such as "Tez Humilde" (humble skin tone) used to describe people of darker skin color, or "Whitexican" (In short, it means something like "A white mexican that utilizes interactions with indigenous people in social media to gain clout", something like the kid that went to do missionary missions, and has their personal feed full of photos and "inspiring messages") that show this implied racism. Also, a lighter skinned individual is always seen as more "upstanding" or "better prepared", at the moment of hiring, or when in search of a romantic partner. People of darker skin are inherently seen as less "trustworthy", "less prepared", or as undesirable as a romantic prospect. So, in short, the answer yo your question is yes. There is a heavy bias against people of indigenous people or darker skinned individuals.

[@themrrightleft417]

@@roachtheflorist9492 By the way, as an addendum, the state that I reside in (Nuevo Leon), can be considered something like a "little Texas" due to the proximity to that state (we are one the states that border Texas, with a 12 mile border in the northern section), and the influence we have from the USA, so you can take some of this with a grain of salt. Add to it that I am a white mexican, and some bias is to be expected. I tried being as objective as possible to describe the national sentiment, but there is bound to be some bias on my part as well. Hell, in my state there is a clearly anti-immigrant sentiment for the people of other Latin American countries, as there is a population that are here hoping to cross the border, and they are seen as vagrants and no-gooders at best, and outright criminals at worst, by some (not all, but a sizable portion) of the population.

[@BilboSwaggins723]

@@roachtheflorist9492 long story short, México has conformed to the western style of beauty and treat those with lighter skin tones more highly than those with darker skin tones. Which is a little ironic since the Spanish were way more willing to integrate with the indigenous people of Mexico than the English were with the natives up north. Mexico was also one of the first to outlaw slavery which is one of the reasons Texas is no longer part of Mexico. Personally, I think that cultural influence of racism in the US has bled into Mexico but was always kind of there.

[@OGPatriot03]

@@BilboSwaggins723 Who said it was western "style" to view lighter skinned people as being more beautiful? It's sad but that's how it is in most brown cultures that I'm aware of. Don't blame that shit on a culture that's all white.... America is one of the least racist countries (against minorities anyway) in the world. Against whites we're pretty Fn racist though with legally enforced racism...

[@occialked1798]

For those people who are curious about the whole Mexico thing I think I can explain it, while we grew up with Drake&Josh, it was the memes that made him popular in spanish speaking countries, more specific "do you sell guitars here? (¿aquí venden guitarras?" and "take it easy buddy (oye tranquilo viejo). It went really viral between 2014-2017, and people went bonkers with it. Fun times.

[@TheSpecialPsycho]

As a person who's been into memes since the early 2010's, it's always nice seeing stuff about memes in other languages since I'm just a near exclusive English speaker

[@wachotraefernet]

Drake y Josh was extremly popular in latinamerica way before the memes

[@srgtstd]

Drake & Josh has always been popular in Latin America since its inception. I think that thanks to the memes is that some children of this new generation know them.

[@TheSpecialPsycho]

@@wachotraefernet Fair enough.

[@Josh-tu9ji]

This aged like milk. Respectfully now this video is in really poor taste.

[@ajl9772]

Ever since the whole "marriage incident" Josh has seemed like a really fake guy to me. He comes running to Drake to save his image when he's being cast as the bad guy. Then after hanging out with the guy for years, he tries to deny he had anything to do with him when Drake's reputation is tarnished. Basically, he wants history to reflect whatever benefits his image the most. Even the personality he puts on seems fake, like one of his characters. Honestly, before all the accusations against him, Drake was seeming like the more likable and down to earth person to me. I think he had gotten humbled while Josh's ego only grew. At least Miranda seems to be okay.

[@JameseGray1991]

Miranda turned against Drake, too. And yet SG's (Drake's accuser) nowhere to be found on social media after she ruined his life. Drake was ACCUSED of pedophilia because the girl DELUDED herself into believing that his advice to her meant that she was gonna get a shot with him. Josh was friends with David Dobrik (who associated with a friend who actually turned out to be a rapist), but throws Drake under the bus, & doesn't give a damn to see that he never did anything wrong.

[@AxleTrade]

Drake was on top of the world but only has half of what he used to have now and his past mistakes are haunting him in full swing. He's been groomed by Schneider as a kid to accept certain things as "normal" since he was a big shot at the time. Josh just comes across as massively insecure (quite envious of Drake to the point of schadenfreude) and showed that he'd do anything to "fit in". Drake was just so easy to manipulate and throw under the bus when the tables have turned now that Drake was going through tough times and Josh was doing significantly better than him. Miranda is problematic in the way where she never acknowledged how Dan Schneider was a massive creep who took advantage of teenagers when several people called him out on it. Other than that she's more or less okay.

[@iroiro-u9i]

Before I knew anything about all this I stumbled across Josh's channel. I watched him for a bit but I could pick up some bad vibes from him. So once I found out about this it really didn't surprise me.

[@iroiro-u9i]

@@AxleTrade She doesn't wanna get involved in drama. Probably one of those people who kind of runs away from all problems in order to force life to be happy at all times. I know a girl like that irl.

[@purplemoon72]

​@@iroiro-u9iimagine just wanting to live your life instead of being a drama queen how selfish is she....

[@Sorable]

My dad showed me your "asking rappers for Feature Prices" Video and i've been a fan since! However, your new content is addicting. I'm EXCITED For the Next Patrick Cc Video. This new style is amazing and intriguing. 1 million soon! Keep being you and don't forget to drink water

[@Besidjuu]

Your dad hip asf

[@PatrickCc]

shoutout to your dad lol

[@solongsuicide9]

Agree with everything, apart from "addicting" instead of addictive. I always find it odd that people actually say that. 🤷🏼‍♂️ P.s I love that your catchphrase is also just really good advice. Gotta stay hydrated to look & feel good. 💪🏼😼🍹⛲💧🌊

[@taylorcliff6609]

@@solongsuicide9 you should be using both. addictive as an adjective, and addicting as a verb. if you really want to be worried about grammar.

[@novalei]

omg sorable

[@johnrussell5970]

I love how you take the time to explain the generational differences, no social media, heavier focus on movies that influenced us in high school such as being popular and what not! You’ve captured this mindset perfectly to ppl who didn’t grow up at this time

[@bre-games]

Crazy to see how much of a bad take this has proven to be now the full truth is out. You should update this.

[@CAMELOT331]

Honestly I never liked Drake. But Josh is a SUPER a hole now a days lol. Like completely unapproachable, stuck up, and annoying. I liked Josh growing up because I was a fat kid. I also lost weight and become huge into fitness in my 20s. But I didn't become a violent a hole over it. Idk.

[@theoramirez1064]

He hung out with David Dobrik what can you say

[@zetetsu7169]

@@theoramirez1064 Don't forget he also hung out with Justin Bieber during the whole stint where Bieber was constantly running in with the law.

[@chinemeremohaeri9100]

Walmart has constantly contacted me to make a KZbin channel to bring you down 👇👎

[@Woodchucked]

I met Josh at a hotel and helped him with his wedding. He was super chill I liked the guy

[@DPRKprincess]

@@chinemeremohaeri9100 uh, what?

[@jimjones9631]

I almost feel like there is a huge disconnect here. Josh looked at it like business. Maybe them even hanging out was less about friendship and more about keeping the "role" alive like a method actor would. Drake i think wanted to not just be a buddy comedy star but live the life for real. To have that best friend that you also work with. I think Drake was all dream and Josh was all business.

[@its_johnH]

And none of this was all real

[@user-vi4xy1jw7e]

@@its_johnH?

[@its_johnH]

@@user-vi4xy1jw7e Their whole "friendship" was not real.

[@wartortle577]

@@its_johnH Did you even watch the video? He explains why this quote is bullshit..

[@neatbug]

Lmaooooo I'm going to use that line next time I need to ghost a girl. "I wasn't being fake with you, I was just method acting to keep the relationship going. It's all business baby.

[@nickthrasher4948]

the sad thing is i never seen any one of them as a secondary character i always viewed them as equally playing as the lead tbh that’s jus how i seen it i may or may not be the only one i’d love to kno if anyone else feels the same or different and why i’ve always wondered what other thought about this myself cause they both needed one another without either one there wouldn’t be drake and josh or even drake, or josh it’s sick that josh is talking and acting the way he is he’s being a big kid about all this like idk if it’s cause drake mistakes or bc he don’t wanna be a secondary character or wants to get away from being the fat kid punch line but i never seen either one of them in that light they was always equals but unique in there own ways but one never shined more than the other like they jus played there own roles but one never shined more than the other period again that’s jus how i feel let me kno what you think under mine

[@corimoon3360]

I feel the same way. You can’t have drake without josh and vice versa. I can see how some ppl would possibly see drake as the #1 bc he’s the cool guy but I never saw it that way. To me they were equally the #1 and it’s a shame that Josh wasn’t always treated as just as important. When I saw one of them, I always looked for the other.

[@Kaika433]

I always loved both of them, like it wouldnt be the same if the two werent together, but i guess i can undestand Josh perspective, in the show even after he became thinner he was always the joke and Drake was the cool guy, like for example i remember a lot of times in the show where whatever random character would insult or hurt Josh meanwhile they would suck Drake's cock, like i think those jokes happened so many times that Josh thought he was seen by the fans as the loser secondary character, but obviously thats not true for everyone.

[@ryanhillier107]

I think you need to learn to condense your words. You made the same point over and over again

[@nickthrasher4948]

@@corimoon3360 exactly dude that’s literally how i’ve always felt thanks for sharing your thoughts man

[@brianoneil9381]

@@ryanhillier107 his English teacher must have hated him

[@user-rz2tp2it1c]

i hope you can work on a updated version of this video. claiming that drake didn’t understand josh’s struggle just isn’t right. we all know what kind of stuff drake was going trough

[@xc000xc]

I personally feel Josh was always a little envious of Drake and that's the reason the reboot script was so mean-spirited. Drake always saw him as his "partner in crime" but not Josh. Idk maybe if Peck had been more realistic and stayed in the comedy niche (not necessarily in the same character) they would both have been more successful.

[@ChrisTheDreamchaser]

Josh was always the better talent in that show, but people ignored that and always picked Drake because of how he looks compared to Josh. Whether it's jealously or whatever you wanna call it, anyone would feel certain way...and respect to Josh for working on himself and ending up being better. There are many people who always get overlooked or underappreciated because of their looks but while being the better talent

[@xc000xc]

@@ChrisTheDreamchaser They have different kinds of talent. Drake can sing and act, Josh can act and has comedic potential. Both have good comic timing and complemented each other well within the stereotypes assigned to them in the show, that's why the D&J was successful. I never said anything about Josh's looks.

[@juanitamorgan5475]

If you read between the lines of Drake's to post on Twitter when you're not invited to the wedding the message is clear true colors have today message is loud and clear ties are officially cut I'll miss you brotha one Drake is talking about Josh's wedding that he wasn't invited to Josh's true colors being revealed and their friendship being no more

[@wilddannyify]

Maybe the fact that he was the “chubby” guy and played the “loser” in the show while Drake got all the attention and girls, most likely had something to do with his psychological development. And not even to mention what goes on behind those sick filming studios like the pedophile Dan Schneider who also had a play into how these kids grew up. But sure

[@bakgammon]

@@xc000xc 💯

[@InsideOfYouPodcast]

Hope you enjoyed the interview. Josh was great 💙

[@PatrickCc]

It was a great interview

[@AnythingLounge]

Josh is acting like a fake friend NGL

[@kylemendes7246]

josh comes off really 2 face.

[@PauloSilva-ep9ox]

@@PatrickCc every hero has his villain (no matter which side of the story you look at).... it all starts as a pair of friends.. it leads to a situation of "frenimes"... and ends up in an ethos of revenge that devours everything from good thing there was already between these two...

[@heyitsvonage2768]

I started this video thinking "did Patrick watch the Rosenbaum interview with Josh too??"

[@alvaroescobar1511]

Drake really saved himself from the whole Mexico thing. It really shows that Drake cares about his fans and he actually sings and speaks almost perfect spanish.

[@JameseGray1991]

Twitter is already ripping him to shreds because they believe that he is a pedophile. Imagine if he would have agreed to that script. People love bullying this man because they want to side with a girl who stalked and harassed him and his wife.

[@infowtf]

And after the show he harrased you and your buddies

[@infowtf]

Im joking, they staged the harras he's innocent, evil ppl wanta him down

[@JesseStevenTrumm3992]

He moved to Mexico and changed his last name because he’s a certified pedo here in the states. His wife is divorcing him and his precious girlfriends both go out of their way to say how abusive he was. He is suspect as f

[@rapatacush3]

Mexicans would had care about more of him being make a loser than playing for a drug lord.

[@_chinnyi]

Josh Peck is a liar! He was envious and wanted to get back at Drake so bad. Yes, Drake headed the wrong way after his career but after Quiet On Set, it's a little bit understandable what he's been through.

[@DrakeBrunette]

I think they were just friendly coworkers. They probably felt compelled to try and become good friends but were never able to actually bond too deeply… I know I’ve tried in the past to become friends with people that I’ve worked with. But sometimes there just isn’t a genuine connection and so we keep things kind & respectful but professional when at work… I honestly think it’s as simple as that.

[@Cotygeek]

But that reasonable and nuanced take doesn't generate clicks and bad-faith comments.

[@flashfunk0373]

I think they were close at one point tbh.

[@Yosemite_sam694]

I call bullshit. There chemistry was awesome, these guys could have had fun together. If they didn’t it’s because Josh was a resentful prick the whole time who hates their dynamic so much he couldn’t stand to see Drake outside of filming. That’s literally it. Drake is loveable and seems fun as hell, and was mad Josh didn’t go to his wedding, does that sound like someone who never was his friend ?

[@thecensoredmuscle563]

That's bs, and Drake would not have been extremely upset over Josh not inviting him to his wedding if they were never friends. The way Drake speaks of Josh, and the emotions you can't fake about their friendship, is undeniable.

[@DrakeBrunette]

@@thecensoredmuscle563 sure buddy

[@TECH-HERESY]

The last part on the video where drake says he sorry and needs Josh, as a kid I saw it as "that's right you do" as an adult now it made me cry, I know what's it like to do that to someone and being the one that has that happen to them. Thank you for covering my childhood heroes, I know Drake and Josh aren't perfect but I really hope they can be friends again, missing and caring about a friendship is hard, I hope Josh can forgive Drake and move on from the past. Josh was always my favorite character because I was the fat kid and when I lost weight, I got noticed. I hope Josh reads this, he inspired me to do better. Thanks again

[@kendenmerck3163]

well said friend

[@inyrui]

You hope Josh forgives Drake...? Idk bout that man. I don't think anyone should forgive someone who tried to have sex with kids. His victims probably don't forgive him and never will. No one else should either. Baffles me that he actually has people who watch his podcast knowing he's a nonce

[@JoeyScraggy]

IDK, even as a child, a mexican child (the video is right, Drake was kinda big here, and I too loved him), it sat me wrong that episode conclusion. Drake was having really bad luck and taking wrong choices while Josh was improving his life (like in real life, creepily). Drake saying he needed him, i always read that as "I can't succeed if you don't fail in my place, it's not that i need you for who are you and what you bring, but because someone has to fail and it ain't be me"

[@r160aexpress5]

I couldn't had said it any better, hearing this story especially watching the end of the video hit me with depression. I hope there can be something bright again between the both of em

[@_V.Va_]

Melodramatic much.

[@barbaryyaw2724]

Seems to me like josh always wanted to be accepted and it turned him to a somewhat of a monster. They’re both making mistakes in life but with josh I see a manipulative person.

[@KhanMann66]

Definitely still sees himself as the fat funny kid in Drake and Josh. That doesn’t go away easily.

[@leon4000]

@@KhanMann66 That part is relatable, when people make fun of you for weight gain, it can get to a person the more they don't shut up about it and your mental state isn't used to not caring what they think. Josh was a younger person then who had an opportunity of his life and somehow still gets pointed out for his weight. Of course long term exposure to such things will tend to linger even after you made steps to change yourself.

[@inyrui]

I don't think Josh is THAT bad lol. If anyone here is the manipulator, it's Drake. As in, manipulating young girls into sexting him. To me that seems more deserving of being called a monster than trying to distance yourself from someone who tried to diddle kids

[@barbaryyaw2724]

@@inyrui from what I saw it looked like he was only accused and he claimed to stop texting her when he found her age. So if that’s the case I can accuse josh of being manipulative behind closed doors. There’s more proof to that than anything else.

[@dondog3123]

Drake is a monster Josh is a 2 faced manipulator.

[@T2CReaperr]

The aging of this is wild. Should remake this video

[@ay1029]

I get the vibe that after 15 years Josh is over anything that has to do with the show and still feels like he has to move on, but the irony of it all is that his KZbin / social media success came from marketing himself as Josh from D&J and not Josh Peck the actor, so he has no one to blame but himself for the fact that he’s still being asked about the show. I think outside of Drake’s legal trouble he’s just saying they weren’t friends like that so people get the message that the magic surrounding the show has BEEN gone.

[@dandywaysofliving]

The magic surrounding the show was the fans being able to seperate between the actors and the characters. . We all liked that the actors seemed like the characters. Because they were kind and that's what we as fans liked. . Just 2 wholesome people getting into hijinks. . Everything else involving ego. Either stems from holding too tightly to the past or not seeing the divide between you and the actor. An example to parallel Josh and drake. . My name. I have many names and rn I'm portrayed as this. I am this but this is not me. . I may be part of this and who I am but what this is is not me. . I look at my name and wonder if this is the most I'm known for does that define me? . The healthy route taught me that I am no one but where I am rn.is just a chapter of who I am. So with Josh and drake. . Drake wants to keep trying to be wholesome but fails due to his own desires. Josh wants to leave it behind but holds it with contempt never really letting go. . The best they can do is drop their egos and truly live a wholesome life. . Easier said than done. I know no ones perfect but I'm just stating what I and maybe Other fans feel and hope they will hear about what they can do to improve. . What made the show great was yea Josh was the punching bag in the beginning but it was about being equals. So drake not wanting to disrespect his fans makes sense. Josh wanting to be top dog does as well. But if they both dropped their ego maybe we'd have something nicer. But real life doesn't always prove to be a place where people rise above themselves

[@goin-berserk]

I appreciate this video because at the end you didn't just villianize Drake for all the horrible things he's done which would be fair but also made sure to call out Josh on his stuff which most people wouldn't do not everyone is good and evil and everyone has their flaws, while Josh potentially being a liar and trying to make everything sound better for him to distance himself from Drake isn't as bad, it is worth noting. Good work here.

[@williamguthrie8507]

Drake Bell once came to my public high school years after the show ended and performed a free concert to promote his new album. It was a pretty depressing sight to begin with but to make matters worse the only song the crowd wanted to hear was the theme song to Drake & Josh, which he ended up being forced to play 3 times and by the third time You could tell by the look in his eyes that he had reached rock bottom 😢

[@sarahwashington00]

😢

[@mountaindew3201]

Lies

[@504XXL]

Nah it’s true he came to My school one time too it was a public school tour around 2015-ish

[@504XXL]

He came to my school too and the concert was obviously “finished” after he performed the theme song

[@9MAYHEM6]

I remember back in high school my ex girlfriend told me about drake performing at her school and I thought "hmm, that's random as hell". I ended up doing a bit of research after she told me and I couldn't believe she wasn't lying. I was low-key kinda sad I wasn't able to see/meet him. Would've love to talk about guitars and gear with him!

[@Mindscapewithme]

I relate to josh heavily, I used to be over weight, and even my friends didn't much ask for me to hang around them, but once I lost weight, they were there, they were asking me to come to their parties, and ofc I did. A couple years later, I realized that I still wasn't happy with myself, mainly because I felt like I was living in a way that doesn't suit me, but everyone else around me.

[@Goat69nut54]

Felt this heavily. Society is a heavy thing to carry on. Don’t fit in. Be yourself and create your own category

[@generalwillwelsh7926]

Ha i get it “heavily”

[@Mindscapewithme]

"heavily"😂😂😂

[@williefaulker]

Yeah, once you get to master the art of not caring about what others think, life becomes so much better

[@little_luna9521]

​​@@williefaulker thats right 😊

[@srgtstd]

So sad. I always felt Josh as the most charismatic character on the channel, even because of his voice actor who did an incredible job of interpreting his essence in Mexico. It's sad to see how actors don't have the maturity or self-respect to be aware of what their careers and roles mean. Now you can see the kind of person Peck really is.

[@CourtJesterCowboy]

@Matthew Mandrick Super bummer to realize Peck is a lame person even more so than Bell... To force him to insult his only adult audience or no reboot... Unreal, he clearly has problems.

[@albertoajedrez5851]

Si será pendejooo

[@hermieclips]

I think a lot of the issues this video listed Josh having with Drake, seem to heavily stem from Josh's known personal issues with himself. Based on what is publicly known about Drake and Josh's relationship behind the scenes, as well as what is publicly known about Josh's view of himself back when the show was still being filmed, it seems that Josh may partially view Drake as an embodiment of all of the people he would compare himself too before his weight loss. It's well known from interviews that Josh was not a fan of his physical image during his young age, and a lot of that comes from watching other people (like Drake) get social praise for their good looks and charisma. Either way, there is a lot of things Drake did to effect his own career and public rep that Josh had absolutely nothing to do with, and when your career relies heavily on your public image it makes sense why Josh would want to distance himself from Drake at this point in his career.

[@Immigrantlovesamerica]

Josh reads jealous and angry to me. He felt he carried the show and got less attention for it. He just had a bad mentality. And he comes off so passive aggressive and emotional. Drake seems much more easy going and likable. He is widely loved in latinamerica and he is absolutely great to his fans.

[@RAM-iw8oe]

@@Immigrantlovesamerica Honestly I always thought of Josh as the extra baggage actor of the show. He could of been replaced by almost anyone and the show would of still been successful. Even in the final seasons with his new image he still seemed insignificant to me compared to all the other actors of the show.

[@tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916]

@RAM Whoever "carried" the show is mostly an opinion, but Esteban wasn't saying Josh *thinks* he carried the show. I never really watched the show so I don't have an opinion to give, just clarification.

[@TheGrmany69]

It's repressed sexual desire, the guy has gay branded in his forehead... and seems real fake, phoney even.

[@sosmooth13]

You can do that without all the cap though. The lies make this whole situation weirder.

[@spoopzey]

Yeah I get wanting to distance yourself from drake after the charges but that seems like a lie. Also, I think it's important to state how effed up David Doberic is as a person. No idea if its influenced Josh at all but all I can say is that I'm a bit suspicious at the whole lying thing.

[@JJ77XOXO]

I never liked Josh. After I saw him come back during the vine years, my immediate response was ew. And I saw him more ew when I saw who he liked surrounding himself with