The Dark Truth Behind the Master/Padawan Relationship & Why We Shouldn't Gloss Over it

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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:10 You Were My Brother, Anakin
6:05 Children Have Emotional Needs
9:39 Cults and Indoctrination
11:26 The Real Jedi Perspective
13:34 Outro

[@masteroftheassassins]

Just another example of why Luke’s NJO was an improvement over the old Jedi Order.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

That also has these, though. Don't forget that.

[@TheWarmachine375]

We ignore the Disney version that got shafted

[@zexalbrony4799]

@@TheWarmachine375 As we should.

[@tristankawatsuma8962]

With all due respect, I thought this video was stating something else, that the solo Padawan ensures a strong bond between Master and Apprentice. The communal version as pointed out has risks and dangers. Sure, this could also happen on an individual scale. I mean, what if Pong Krell had his own Padawan? But the damage on an individual scale is less than if a whole group of Padawans was corrupted by a master.

[@casbot71]

​​​@@tristankawatsuma8962But if you had Padawin training duties shared across multiple Masters, like in a university or military school environment, then individual 'bad eggs' wouldn't have such a powerful impact... and would be reported by students to other Masters. *At their Force telekinesis class:* My Jar Kai instructor Pong Krell is a bit disturbing... *Telekinesis instructor:* You're not the only Padawin to mention this, please continue in detail.

[@charles52able1]

Luminara watches video. " I'm supposed to feel something for Bariss?!?!" Explosion rocks the temple. "Well blast. I'll do better next time..."

[@kanekikingstorm2113]

I loved the campaign that I had with some friends a while back. My Jedi character, Maxie Caelum reflected on her experiences as a Jedi when she went to her Master Baghal. He asked her “do you think you became a capable Jedi, because you had me as a master?” To which she playfully elbows him in the side replying “a capable master? I’d hardly you call that. But definitely a great father.” I loved getting to explore the master-student dynamics with our sith and Jedi players and npcs

[@TitusCastiglione1503]

That’s actually a great bit of character building. I’m going to have to remember that.

[@littleoldmanboy]

Was this in a SW 5e game? It’s really the only SW TTRPG I’m familiar with, but either way sounds like a great moment

[@kanekikingstorm2113]

@@littleoldmanboya homebrew 5e styled campaign based on the old republic

[@inquisitorgarza312]

Do not forget that the Jedi Order needs its members to remain loyal to the Order and that means creating bonds with their fellow Jedi so that they don’t leave the Order or worse fall to the Dark Side, and the Jedi Order knows that deep down each of their members fundamentally have emotions that they will never be rid off and so they try to create a more friendly environment for their members.

[@TheWarmachine375]

The bond between Master and Padawan can be a hit or a miss when it comes to adhering the Jedi Code or work around it.

[@hackman669]

The bond wasn't the problem. The code was the issue itself.

[@isaackim7675]

Far better than the Sith when the apprentice feels ready to stab his master in the back

[@decepticonxhunter4850]

@@hackman669 The code was never the issue.

[@hackman669]

@@isaackim7675 Sith are terrorists.

[@FalconWindblader]

​@@decepticonxhunter4850The code had ALWAYS been the issue. Jedi prior to the Ruusan reformation survived ordeals after ordeals, crises after crises, because they'd been allowed to serve the light side exclusively, because they'd been allowed to form attachments & do their own shit. The modern-day rigid, dogmatic order made to serve the REPUBLIC FIRST before everything else, utterly collapsed only after a SINGLE crisis, all thanks in no small part, to that rigid, dogmatic code.

[@declanhandley-byrne4335]

It's important to note that this Master/Apprentice relationship was what almost caused Anakin to almost kill Rako Hardeen, or at least the man he believed to be Hardeen, meaning that Anakin almost killed the closest thing he had to a father in an attempt to avenge him

[@KaiHung-wv3ul]

Some may even call it ironic.

[@lerneanlion]

To be exact, why did the Jedi Council decided to hide such a mission from Anakin in the first place? Their expectations of him to be this perfect Chosen One are clearly too high if you asked me.

[@gdragonlord749]

Funnily enough, that would have been his Sith initiation

[@MatthewJamesKalasky]

@@KaiHung-wv3ul "This is for Obi Wan!" And, in a sense, it very nearly WAS, but not in the way Anakin intended.

[@SeviathTheHumanDrago]

​@@lerneanlion"Hey you gotta win the world championships in every sport tomorrow and get gold in every Olympic sporting event ever for all time." "But how-?" "You're the chosen one, we believe in you, kinda."

[@Bwillis2099]

I’ve always saw the Jedi order’s “no attachments”rule to mean no attachments outside of the order itself since you can’t have a group of people and not have emotional attachments to some degree. 4:38 I haven’t read many EU comics but I like to think that in EU Luke saw this and that’s why he ignored the age restriction of the old Jedi order.

[@FalconWindblader]

In that sense, it'd mean that the Jedi order was encouraging blind loyalty, & we all know blind loyalty would lead to tunnel vision, which in turn would lead to being rigid & stupid. Just one more way of telling just how problematic the Jedi order had become.

[@Bwillis2099]

@@FalconWindblader True but I’m mostly going off of how the Jedi order was depicted in the prequel movies (and also the clone wars cartoon series )

[@M4A1BestGirl]

That's nothing compared to what I do in SWTOR. When playing as a male Jedi character I always romance my padawan because I can. And because the Jedi Order is on the verge of annihilation, so in order to preserve our legacy one will have to take extreme measures to ensure as many Jedi survive Order 66 as possible.

[@cubescihist6737]

"And because the Jedi Order is on the verge of annihilation, so in order to preserve our legacy one will have to take extreme measures to ensure as many Jedi survive Order 66 as possible". Yes, I'm sure that's the reason, haha.

[@M4A1BestGirl]

@cubescihist6737 Well that's **A** reason but hardly **THE** reason. It's actually not as uncommon as you might think for a Jedi Knight to suddenly develop an affection towards their student. The role of the master is to protect their padawan, but in some cases, it also works the other way around. This is often referred to as a force bond, in which a Jedi Knight and their apprentice share a deep connection through the force. Sometimes it reaches the point where their relationship deepens, despite the Jedi Code forbidding passion or emotion. That's usually why the age difference between a Knight and their padawan is greater during the Clone Wars than it was during the days of the Old Republic, in an effort to possibly prevent the former or the latter from being in any kind of romantic relationship whatsoever.

[@hydromancer4916]

never let this man near the public school system 💀

[@astercat49]

The Jedi’s problem with attachments was based almost entirely on fear of the Dark Side. They believed attachments could lead to the Dark Side, but they were also what pulled many towards the Light. When Bastila Shan fell to the Dark Side, it was the love she and Revan shared that brought her back, and it was Vader’s love for his son that made him sacrifice himself to defeat Sidious. The Jedi argued that the fear of loss was a path to the Dark Side, and yet Yoda himself said “rejoice for those around you that transform into the Force.” The key to preventing attachments from leading to the Dark Side is not to forbid them, but to teach that the ones you love will live on in the Force.

[@lanesmith1465]

But that's exactly what they did.

[@it6647]

>"based almost entirely on fear" Fear leads to what now?

[@astercat49]

@it6647 exactly

[@astercat49]

@lanesmith1465 Not exactly. The Jedi, especially around the time of the Clone Wars, wanted to prevent attachments entirely. As I said, the wisest course of action was to teach that those you love are never truly gone, for they live on in the Force. With that mindset, attachments are not a problem, but a necessity. Anakin once said “Compassion, which I would define as unconditional love, is essential to a Jedi’s life.” The Jedi were encouraged to love, but they were discouraged from loving deeply. If you think that doesn’t make sense, that’s because it doesn’t. It’s completely illogical, not to mention unhealthy from a mental health standpoint.

[@FalconWindblader]

​@@astercat49That's what made Ki Adi-mundi's claim of "i can love my children without forming attachments to them" sound so utterly ridiculous.

[@seanrea550]

One of the first flaws of the order is taking the force sensitive children from their parents at such a young age. The local jedi watchman along with the recruiters could still introduce themselves and through using the service core the jedi could still offer instruction but anakin should have been the prime age of removal with the removal from the parents being the first lessons on attachment. Spend some time in the groups fore the core classes and proceede from there. The real lesson needing tought is to form appropriate bonds, to know when to let go, and to know how to process the emotions of loosing bonds.

[@rodgill9376]

Ironically enough, two of the Dark Woman's students fell to dark side as well.

[@anakinskywalker2563]

A’sharad Hett and Aura Sing?

[@KEVMAN7987]

I wonder how many younglings were the result of *does thrusting motion* due to opposite sex masters & padawans? We all know it wouldve happened a few times.

[@hydromancer4916]

I'd imagine that it would cause a big scandal if any master was caught fucking their padawan. It probably happened more than once but if any children were born they'd probably be hidden away rather than made younglings.

[@IBW_3000]

Really makes me wonder as to whether there were other force sensitive groups out there besides the Jedi and Sith. I know the nightsisters were one, but surely there were others, and surely some of them weren’t stupid.

[@jimmysmith2249]

There were a bunch, but none of them are canon any more. Which is unfortunate, because there were a bunch of good ones.

[@IBW_3000]

@@jimmysmith2249 ~sigh~ Disney always manages to be the most stupid of them all.

[@SeviathTheHumanDrago]

Look up Star Wars Reading Club and his videos. There's 2 going into one's of both the light and dark side, one of my favorites are the Shapers of Kren-Varr, they use the Dark Side to use elemental abilities.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Nothing I could do for this, to be fair. Now, about the possibility of enemies becoming friends if not lovers, as we've sorta seen with Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade...

[@hackman669]

She became light side before falling for him. His love learner her to the light.

[@ThinWhiteAxe]

I'm honestly kind of a simp for a good healthy master-padawan relationship so I think the system works, usually. Obi-Wan & Anakin were a very unusual situation, much closer in age and experience than most masters & padawans were or should have been. I still love them to death of course.

[@rhyanwesthassel7980]

Loved that one Young Jedi Knights artwork at 10:37. Love those books.

[@FormerlyAVM]

I never trusted this whole situation. Leads to Jedi masters frequently asking Padawans if they ever been in a cockpit or ever seen a grown man naked.

[@Searly255]

even Yoda was visibly saddened by Dookus turn, even the grand master had this close relationship issue

[@avery2041]

Im currently playing a character whose slowly becoming much like his master whom the council doesn't really like. He's gonna see why he was difficult for his own master once he gets his own hot headed padawan.

[@UniGya]

I think its important to remember that Jedi do not forbid and in fact encourage love. When the Jedi forbid attachment it doesn't mean one cannot form any bond of familial love or even romantic love necessarily, its the forming of bonds one is unable to let go. Its attachment so strong one is tempted to bend the Force to their will to protect that cause issues. Obi Wan loved Anakin but when Anakin fell to the Dark Side he understood that he could not control the will of the Force to bring him back. Its about accepting fate, and powerful bonds can make that hard

[@frenzalrhomb6919]

Some of those "Master and Apprentice" relationship's are a little, er, creepy from some aspects, don't ya' think?

[@felixdumbravescu2725]

Given the Jedi order is a semi religious cult, yes it does. At-least the Sith were a bit more straight forward "You want to be powerful? Prove yourself, become my apprentice and surpass me in time!", the methods were brutal obviously, but they were given the choice (most of the time), in Jedi cases doesn't like its the case.

[@brokenbridge6316]

This was certainly the darker side of a Master and Padawan relationship.

[@KaiHung-wv3ul]

So the Jedi deliberately turning a blind eye on this form of attachment was what ultimately sent them down the slippery slope to extinction(with the fall of Dooku and Anakin), they could prevent their members' attachments to others, but not to each other....ironic.

[@Dreamfox-df6bg]

And as I keep saying, having no attachments, no one had an attachment to the Jedi, which made it so much easier for Palpatine to turn the people against them.

[@FalconWindblader]

With the Jedi order having such a fast & hard stance against emotions & attachments, they should've discouraged such attachments even amongst themselves, yet they kept it around for centuries & even encouraged it, simply because it was convenient, because it aided in the indoctrination of their own. Talk about hypocrisy indeed.

[@casbot71]

What if a Master and Padawin developed a secret sexual relationship? That wouldn't be out of place in a closed religious order..... And in the Jedi, there's not only single sex relationships possible, so if a mixed sex team of compatible species, then someone could get pregnant,....

[@splashnskillz37]

i always wondered a story where 2 jedi who grew up together got loose 1 night and had a kid who they hid from the order somewhere with a relative, but that kid got found by the padawan of one of them and raised their kid to become a jedi only figuring out the truth as the kid grew up, all being the will of the force also

[@AbsoluteWarCriminal]

​@splashnskillz37 that would the story of galen Marek aka starkiller from force unleashed.

[@kingajensz428]

I think the problem was Jedi philosophy. They tried to get rid of emotions instead of learning to control them. This deprived them of many useful qualities, such as empathy. During the trial of Ashoka, Anakin showed that it is possible to remain attached to another person and not get carried away by emotions in a difficult moment. Obi-Wan, in trying to kill Anakin against his feelings, not only missed the chance to save his friend, but also destroyed himself. If it weren't for his attachment to Luke, he would have fallen

[@decepticonxhunter4850]

As this channel covered in a previous video, the idea that the Jedi taught its members to rid themselves entirely of emotions or to repress them is not grounded in truth. The Jedi taught its members to MASTER their emotions so they wouldn't be controlled by them. There is a huge difference, and far too many ppl still fail to understand that for whatever reason.

[@kingajensz428]

@@decepticonxhunter4850 In movies we have two different philosophy of jedi. I was writing about this from prequels. At III episode Yoda told Anakin that feelig fear is bad. He didn't told that Anakin must lern to control his fears, he told that Anakin must let go what he fear to lose. learning to control emotions we have in original trilogy, but not in prequels

[@morlath4767]

@@decepticonxhunter4850This channel uses Lucas' out of universe quotes on the Force as its basis for what is "true" and then describes everything around that. Case in point, they've claimed the Je'daii (using both light and dark) proved you can't have "grey Jedi" because the order collapsed. Ignoring how they lasted for 10,000 years and their collapse came from a huge chunk of them falling to the dark side because of the war with the Rakata and then the others going full tilt in the opposite direction (light side) out of horror of what a full blast darksider does. Heck, this video uses Exar Kun as the example of why Masters don't have multiple padawans. One example of someone using that group dynamic for evil over thousands of years when the Jedi who bested him almost all got taught the same way. Geetsy is a fun creator, but they are more than willing to distort lore to make sure everything fits their way of viewing the Force and the Jedi.

[@Dreamfox-df6bg]

While it's true that Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma were trained in small groups by their Master, I don't remember seeing the Jedi recruiting their Padawans at a young age exclusively back then. We did see that Nomi Sunrider starting to train as a Jedi as an adult was no problem at all for the Jedi. Even her just having lost her husband and raising a child was no hindrance. While Jedi Master Vodo-Siosk Baas's teaching of Exar Kun, Crado and Sylvar was flawed, I don't think giving each of them a single Master would have changed much. Meanwhile Jedi Master Arca Jeth's training of Ulic Qel-Droma, Cay Qel-Droma and Doneeta only failed in the case of Ulic and only because of his bond to his Master after Arca's death and Ulic being too headstrong to begin with as he never listened to anyone besides Master Arca. Which can be seen by Ulic pushing back his friend Doneeta, his brother Cay and his lover Nomi when they reached out to help him. They even infiltrate an enemy stronghold to rescue him, which he refuses. Interestingly, he even let them go. Only in a fit of anger did he really turn against them when he killed his brother. An act that brought him back from the Dark Side and made him realize how far he had fallen. While these two cases were probably among the reasons why a Jedi Master teaching a small group of Padawan's, it's questionable to say that this style is inherently flawed, as these are the only two cases I know where the only that could be seen as a failure. Considering that the problematic bond between Master and Padawan is usually weaker with more Padawan's and that they have people in a similar situation as well as sometimes the same age to talk to this system might have resulted in more balanced personalities. At least it looked like the Jedi, despite their differences, were a much more cohesive group that talked much more among each other than the later, much more strict incarnation of the Jedi Order.

[@morlath4767]

The channel loves twisting things to make the PT Jedi how things should be and people's dislike of them as being misunderstandings. Since the PT only did one padawan to one Master, they had to use Exar Kun as the reason why it's "obvious" group padawans to one master doesn't work. What it fails to address is that the one master/one padawan system can cause the Jedi to lose valuable and talented potential padawans. Yoda basically had to force Jinn to work with Obi-Wan to get the man to take Kenobi on as his padawan.

[@Neonblade69]

I do find it sad that the Corellian Jedi have been pushed off to the Legends side. They usually have bonds and family. Thus understand bonds and attachments and can learn to release them when death comes. Because there is no death there is the Force

[@grimlord3181]

But attachment is being unable to release them.

[@Neonblade69]

@@grimlord3181 That is more obsession then attachment. This seems to be a bad use of wording in explaining some philosophies of the Force traditions. For many things the sayings in most groups are made simple as a quick explanation for young practitioners. It only comes with practice and observation that people see the deeper meaning.

[@Mr.Autodelete]

Just realized how hypocritical it is for the Jedi to say there should be no attachments but they make attachments with each other. When you take a step back it is actually very cult like. Now the rule of two actually makes the Sith like this badass tradition of the power adhering to your passions and ambitions with reckless abandon can bring you passed down by only the most elite practitioner who can truly call themself the Sith.

[@DeathScepter]

it is not about the attachment, it is about obsession. Obsessions will lead to the dark side.

[@grimlord3181]

@@DeathScepter That is what attachment is.

[@violetlight1548]

I think a glaring oversight in this video is that you didn't discuss what happened to younglings that didn't make it to the Padawan stage. They're *still* Force-sensitive, after all, even if they're never "real" Jedi. What happened to the younglings that became part of the Service corps -- librarians, farmers, medics or joined the Explorer corps? Did they have their own, informal "masters", or were they still trained in groups?

[@FalconWindblader]

By the time the younglings that didn't make the cut join the service corps, they were considered expelled from the order for all purposes & intentions. Their time in the service corps are no different from people going to vocational schools & getting a job after that.

[@danielferrieri7434]

Video Idea: The Most Abusive Jedi Master

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Jorus C'baoth?

[@BennyLlama39]

@@michaelandreipalon359 I'm probably wrong, but I'm gonna guess Pong Krell.

[@mzgreenjeansapproves]

An'ya Kuro the Dark Woman herself.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

@@mzgreenjeansapproves There's a difference between abuse and hard teaching, you know.

[@mzgreenjeansapproves]

@@michaelandreipalon359 you really don't think she's abusive? I guess since she only had one failure that resulted in Aurra Sing. So with her other padawans she created effective jedi but she practiced such an extreme amount of humility she used meant no sense of self. That's no way to build relationships and raise children. I believe that is very abusive.

[@KEVMAN7987]

Anakin would never have fallen to the dark side if the Jedi had Jedi therapists. Why didn’t Anakin leave and start his own order? With blackjack & hookers? And romantic relationships being allowed?

[@freedomdude5420]

All jokes aside, psychology was there biggest weak.

[@Spartan3D213]

Especially when council had sociopaths like mundi whos only advice for anakin after beliving obi wan dead was to stop feeling sad and to "get over it". Same guy who didnt feel a thing when he lost his many wives and kids.

[@freedomdude5420]

@@Spartan3D213 That guy was scaring, he was one step taking a dive to the dark side. If he ever survive order 66, this guy would have turn to the dark side.

[@volrosku.6075]

wasn't a terribly big issue yeah right beside the clone war and the fact they were together very succesful in that war and forcing them apart would be detrimental to the war effort and by extension against the laws the jedi followed within the republic.

[@alecjackman2655]

(Hot take) but the Jedi were right about not having attachments but the misconception fans have comes down to them thinking attachments and relationships are the same thing, they’re not. An attachment is only one kind of relationship with there being other types of relationships such as connections. The difference between a connection vs an attachment is that with an attachment your love for a certain person stems from wanting to get something out your relationship with them, such as how they make you feel. These feelings could be calmness, comfort, happiness, and safety. This in turn leads your happiness becoming mostly dependent on them and this normally leaves to a since of possessiveness and entitlement where you want to keep the ones you care about close to you at all cost even if it becomes overbearing for your loved ones. In the case of a connection It’s about giving yourself to others where the relationship you have for someone isn’t that of self gain but rather unconditional love. You love that person no matter how they make you feel. You accept that things aren’t always going to stay the way you want them to. Love is a roller coaster of ups and downs where it can be strong and sodden and even cruel at times, but part having a connection is learning to accept the good with the bad which allows you to be more grateful of the good moments. That’s the beauty of a connection. It was Luke having a connection that saved his father not an attachment. When Luke refused to kill Vader he didn’t feel he was entitled to have his father save him and to turn back to the light. He knew he’d most likely die by the emperor hands but he didn’t care because he loved his father even after all the pain he put him through. The kind of unconditional love is not something you’d get out of an attachment but rather a genuine connection.

[@morlath4767]

The issue here is that the Jedi (and Geetsy agrees) are aware it's very difficult to teach people to have healthy relationships without them becoming attachments, so it's easier to just leave it a blanket "no attachment" rule that forces each Jedi to hopefully realise there's a difference. But this can result in some pretty crapp situations like Bariss and her master, Mundi and his 'meh' attitude towards his family, and Yoda's "welp, you got to kill Anakin now. No point in wondering how he came to this" reaction when he and Kenobi are watching Anakin's murder spree in the temple.

[@Mech299]

I actually think that there might've been a better system, insofar as comraderie and wisdom, that the jedi could've employed. Instead of a single Master teaching their Padawan to completion, multiple masters take over at different legs of the padawan's journey. This not only gives the padawan different experiences and context for how other people teach and what styles they learn best from, but it keeps attachments from forming too deeply, and allows the Jedi Masters of the order more freedom, so that there are "Open" Jedi Knights/Masters at any given time to train more Jedi, increasing the speed at which Padawans could be added to the order since there wasn't a waiting list of available Knights to train them. But the biggest benefit of this system I think? Is that because bonds do still form between most Jedi, and other Jedi will be trained by this method too, it means that everyone's a bit more familiar with everyone else in the order of their relative age ranges. More Jedi know more other Jedi, are willing to trust other Jedi implicitly, because they have personal experience with more of them. More than once we've seen certain Masters not trust other Jedi that they haven't worked with before, or Padawans judging the Padawan of another Master. Doing it this way creates an ever-expanding net of familiarity that the monastic order can only benefit from, and easily identify problem Masters when multiple Padawans under them don't turn out so well when they transfer to other Masters.

[@marshalllatta2073]

This is just beautiful l love your videos I never stop watching it you guys do a fantastic job May the force be with you always

[@joshualonghi8313]

The thing with Obie one saying Anakin you were my brother I have no doubt that is true but Obie one failed an akin first! First with his mother then with Asoka if he spoke up at the council and said no matter what the evidence says i believe in Asoka innosence that alone could have changed to much! TO me the Jedi didn't need to die but the end of the order or the re formation or whatever words you want to use was beyond necessary because of their intertwine with the republic!

[@freedomdude5420]

And that is the biggest down fall of Mace the attachment of the Republic, they never questioned society attachment as a whole. Mace was mirror to Anakin and mess up, not at least take a more active roll in Anakins life as father figure which he desperately needed and would have stopped Sidioes tracks.

[@stever1705]

Okay but if attachment is always bad for force users, isn’t an attachment to the Jedi order or their community also wrong?

[@Dreamfox-df6bg]

As I keep saying, having no attachments, no one had an attachment to the Jedi, which made it so much easier for Palpatine to turn the people against them.

[@colorgreen8728]

Dooku in I think it was episode 2, talked about how he could really use qui gon’s help, that dialogue is some great dialogue

[@Ben-Ken]

There is no perfect system to keep imperfect beings from drifting to the dark side. Every era of Jedi had the same issues, a little better or worse.

[@morlath4767]

I do love how Exar Kun is used as the prime example of why a Master having a group of Padawans doesn't work. Just like the Jedi, Geetsy takes one bad example from the galaxy's history and uses it as the 'proof' that a system doesn't work in order to promote the benefits of the current (PT) one.

[@Daturtle2]

I have been waiting for a video on this

[@robertagu5533]

Definitely a shotgun pattern thing here... Like... I wonder if what passes for "TV" has some kinda hollodrama intergalactic show where 2 Jedi have "a complicated thing..." While doing they Jedi duties an things.. can totally see that in they verse

[@greatazuredragon]

Great episode.

[@lerneanlion]

Between the Jedi and the Republic, which is more problematic? If the Jedi can survived without the Republic, I'm pretty sure the Republic is more problematic, am I right with this?

[@aliastheabnormal]

That's not Qui-Gon, that's Shaggi!

[@merafirewing6591]

So much for being all powerful when you get curbstomped by a cyborg general.

[@psychoinferno4480]

Well the siths master-apprentice relationship is kinda toxic. The apprentice looks up to the master and the master looks down on the apprentice. In order for apprentice to become master, He must kill his master and must maintain the rule of 2 and seek an apprentice

[@zexalbrony4799]

Hey, um, just curious, but is Geetsly sick or something? Since it's been the new dude for the last three videos. Don't get me wrong, I like this guy, I'm just wondering where Geetsly himself is and if he's alright.

[@brynstarkiller7419]

They kept their birth names so their families must have heard about them sometimes. Especially during the war. Jedi nee of their families and home worlds. Also many hooked up and got around so to speak. They weren’t celibate.

[@Daturtle2]

Facts

[@jesus2639]

Being a force user kinda sucks. If you try and live a normal life you become evil lol.

[@nickrwidmer]

The dude with the head 12 mile long had 2 wives and mutiple children

[@dimitriofthedon3917]

Always get bamboozled when I hear that southerner voice 😂

[@mechanwhal6590]

I feel like an AI could run the Jedi better than the Clone Wars era council.

[@DarthVages]

👍

[@anthonyp6896]

The Jedi Order is wrong attachments are important Luke and Darth Vader has proven that it was Luke's love from his father that brought Vader back to the light

[@TypicalidiotGuy]

Sooooo...... They are Spartan like???

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Greek or UNSC? Please clarify.

[@TypicalidiotGuy]

@@michaelandreipalon359 haha either I guess

[@Gregg-gw8vt]

He’s talking about pedophiles. Lol jk but that was happened with the Spartans irl. So much abuse, physical and mental that it was just the norm with those sickos.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

@@Gregg-gw8vt *nervously laughs in Puella Magi Madoka Magica and Neon Genesis Evangelion*

[@Gregg-gw8vt]

@@michaelandreipalon359ahaha

[@facundogonza5740]

I think that loads of people in the comments fail to grasp that the Dark Side is a very serious thing. It is not the other side of the Force. The Dark Side is closer to a cancer in the Force it is an abnormality. It can't be balanced nor controlled. It can only be suppressed. I mean we ARE slapped on the face with the character of Dooku who thought that the Dark Side could be used for good in small dosis. By the end he was another deranged Sith, but was good at hidding it. Also people who think Luke's Jedi Order was better... in both cannon and Legends Luke more or less failed. In cannon, well it is obvious. But Legends is more subtle, the more time passes, the more Luke is forced to adopt the old teachings, because the non-ending amount of problems he faces. The Jedi Order lasted far more than any Sith Order, becasue their practices being Draconian, they WORK and are NEEDED.

[@joshualonghi8313]

I see it as he didnt snitch!

[@rinokumera5907]

Yo

[@ElTwOJaY]

Love is not attachment.

[@goldeagle6431]

NO ONE should gloss over the Senate.

[@reckszkingzactivitiesrkat.4134]

Obi-Wan & Anakin’s master & apprenticeship was a match made in hell 🤣. The Jedi council putting those two together literally destroyed the whole galaxy until Luke came along & changed things for the better years down the line 🤷🏾‍♂️. Anakin needed someone to understand him , support him , treat him respectfully , give him his professional respect , not to be overly judged for the things he does worked with accordingly & an unorthodox teacher NOT OBI-WAN 🤦🏾‍♂️⛔️.

[@alwaysplotting2096]

Jedi learn to let go. Sith shackle themselves to the Dark Side.

[@macwade2755]

This is Canon to me!

[@M4A1BestGirl]

If I disagree with Disney's canon I will make my own. Starkiller is canon because I said so. Fight me.

[@akimbanguehe3454]

Why is Crosshair narrating?

[@metroidhunter965]

I wonder how many masters and padawans slept with one another…

[@DenLim123]

The fuck, did Lucasfilm really made Dooku gay? My god these modern star wars shit really want everyone to be either trans, non-binary or gay huh

[@vikingsword3485]

Here i thought we would be going the Catholic priest route

[@cpttankerjoe]

It throws me off whenever I don’t hear Geetslys voice and hear this one. Sorry narrator guy. You do a good job I’m just not used to you

[@RIFADOR001]

You complain about attachment. In minute 4 you say how Obiwan loved Anakin, and yet he fight him because that's his duty. No attachment, only love.

[@blackwingz55]

So basically like any religion 😂

[@DarkDonREN]

1st here

[@KarnodAldhorn]

Star Wars is pretty fucked up. Even on the META-scale

[@genyatus]

Would be great if it didn't talk about the Jedi like it's a grooming cult

[@toxicmale1744]

To ask that someone has no attachments whatsoever is to deny a fundamental part of the human condition. It is a cruelty, a misplaced adherence to a belief which abandons what being human entails. Without attachment we are without context of oneself and one's place in society. In this the Jedi were incorrect, inappropriate and dismissive of what's in the best interests of their padawans.

[@stevenkempton7469]

Sorry to tell you this, but in order for there to be balance, a Jedi must embrace their own inner darkness, and accept and rule it.