The Dark, Weird & Controversial Artists Iceberg - Tier 1

[@johnbrockiii]

Timestamps and Supplemental Videos are being added shortly. If you have any corrections, state them below this comment. If you have any suggestions for an additional user submitted tier, also state them below this comment. EDIT: Please disregard the recommended video at the end of the Beksinski segment. That creator who will remain unnamed committed career unalive and I refuse to drive traffic to the channels of blatant slanderers. A shame, his older videos were quite good. I'd cut it out, but KZbin's editor is doodie.

[@johnbrockiii]

Timestamps and Supplemental Videos have been added!

[@MOLDHAUS]

Hello! Taxidermy enthusiast/hobbyist here! Although ive heard people say much worse things about it i have something to say! Taxidermy isn't the whole body of the animal stuffed! It's merely the preserved skin on top of a stiff foam mannequin. Taxidermy actually has other purpose than trophies. Like preserving extinct species (no species don't go extinct because of Taxidermy ) making educational specimens for zoologist etc. It's actually pretty important and not too different from a snake skin purse or leather couch/car seat. Most Taxidermists make sure the animals they work with are respected so it's not "playing with an animal corpse" and yeah we do know that taxiderny is weird. We are just used to it. Also no taxidermists do not hate animals or want to see them suffer. Although thank you for not comparing Taxidermists serial killers We unfortunately get that a lot 😭

[@dotprzybylski2630]

lol Lzzzyzzz is from New Zealand

[@johnbrockiii]

lol close enough for my ignorant American ears

[@natatatm]

God I hate that folks like Chris Chan or creepshow art are in an iceberg with ppl like Van Gogh or Bosch

[@johnbrockiii]

Well, I did say it was the "dark, WEIRD & Controversial Artists Iceberg." ;) Thanks for watching.

[@arrowhead8856]

the dismissal of taxidermy is kinda sad. it is a very complex art form and is far from “playing with dead bodies.” we don’t even use stuffing as a technique nowadays. it would’ve at least been nice is you went over the general process. taxidermy is a way to respect and preserve an animal. taxidermy is also an important educational tool which is why every natural history museum you go to will be full of taxidermy. you can learn so much by examining taxidermy at a distance you could never achieve with a live animal. it’s okay to be creeped out by it but it is an art form that deserves respect

[@MOLDHAUS]

So glad someone else agrees!!

[@EvieWren]

Not to mention bone carvings and jewelry and such.

[@5crowsinatrenchcoat]

real

[@AwesomeYena]

My only issue is how the pelts/skins are obtained. If the animal wasn't killed for the sole purpose of taxidermy, then I don't mind.

[@Butterfle_on_toast]

2:45 I get that "haha lol furries" You're news professionals. This is a serious incident that could've killed people. Props to the guy that stayed serious about it.

[@FilthyTea]

Obviously it’s bad that people were injured but there’s an inherent comedy in hearing a super serious report of a gas attack and then just seeing footage of cartoon animal costumes. If you were to deny that you’d be insane.

[@cosmicllama6910]

I'm a furry myself but her reaction just holding her head was hilarious to me. I don't blame people, especially people born before the 90's for not knowing anything about furries and being caught off guard by it. I don't think there's anything wrong with suiting, but I think we can admit it's kind of a silly childish hobby we indulge in

[@FilthyTea]

@@cosmicllama6910 this too, you are correct

[@gabimurray5955]

It would be funny if someone who is actually good at that game makes fun of butch Hartman for sucking at it so bad

[@johnbrockiii]

Editing that part was hard, because his gameplay footage was making me so angry lol.

[@Polyeurythane]

Fun fact: Van Gogh didn’t cut off his ear for a woman (that’s just people romanticizing his depression/mental illness) and how much of his ear he cut off is also unclear. He also didn’t unalive himself, but rather got bullied by some local teenagers regularly and he was covering for them after one took it too far and accidentally 🔫 him.

[@hauthot287]

I heard Gaugin cut off part of his ear cus they got into a fight

[@yggdrasil2]

Both are just theories, but just as if not more likely than the commonly accepted versions of events depending on events.

[@lucy_sashimi2637]

24:45 I love your humor, mixed ofc with educational content and a smooth delivery. so glad yt recommended your channel, I'm already a fan. :)

[@johnbrockiii]

Thank you! Glad to hear my delivery has become smooth :)

[@lumengarden1536]

Keep this series up! It actually looks very promising, as I have enjoyed this one.

[@johnbrockiii]

Thank you! There will also be a supercut of all the parts together when its done!

[@faaaailure]

Suggestion: Louis Wain and his psychedelic cats

[@Sabianbird]

Butch is so fucking childish it would be funny if it weren’t so infuriating 😭

[@johnbrockiii]

Fun fact: That's not even the worst clip of his childish behavior.

[@petehill7280]

11:17 Shrouded Hand is not Scottish, and does not speak with a Scottish accent. He is from the northeast of England (Northumberland area) and speaks with the dialect of that region. I know this because my father is from that same region, and speaks like that.

[@MastodonMann]

Don’t even call it ai “art”, art requires soul to be made, this ai “art” is just an image (Also “ai image” rolls off the tongue way better and sounds way less jarring)

[@socialgutbrain7774]

I agree. I feel like art needs a rigid definition or it becomes a meaningless fluff word.

[@guromenst4416]

"Art requires soul to be made" lmfao art is a subjective thing just because you hate ai art doesn't mean that's the same for everyone else

[@guromenst4416]

​@socialgutbrain7774 nothing has a true definition you luddite

[@guromenst4416]

You are a modern day Luddite

[@MastodonMann]

@@guromenst4416 it can’t be subjective if it’s not art. And even if it was, how do I subject a robot? You damn ai glazer

[@susy-wussy]

puppy chan and antoons

[@johnbrockiii]

Antoons is already on the list, but puppy chan has been added! Thanks for watching!

[@danieltorres8987]

Didn't expect to see my own art in a video essay, NOT EVEN 20 SECONDS IN THE VIDEO lmao I'm Somniumfox and thanks for the surprise :3

[@johnbrockiii]

You have a fun style. Thanks for stopping by.

[@Sknotty]

Just wanna clear up the pronunciations you had trouble at the beginning of the video. Fredrick Knudsen's last name is pronounced "NUD-son", the K is slient. Izzzyzzz's username is just pronounced "Izzy'z" kinda like "Izzy's" but with a z instead of an s at the end. Also she's not scottish, she's a kiwi

[@marthademovimaus5140]

Well, it sounds like Hartmann finally got a streaming service off the ground. I don't see how he's worse than the average douche and he's accomplished more. Tracing others work for profit is low, though.

[@odothedoll2738]

Trivia: Francis Bacon was friends with Tom Baker

[@vanadium723]

I haven't kept up with Ethan Becker's videos in a while, but the description in this video makes me really sad. The way I saw his older content, the "roasting" was a satirical bit that was entertaining while providing genuine tips that were informed by his professional career. To hear that he dropped the character is disheartening. Obv a KZbinr doesn't have perfect control over the viewers, but when you drop the satire, then the roasting would just come off as genuine and it's inevitably gonna draw a toxic fan base. It's a really common thing in the art community that artists are often our own worst critics, to the point that self depreciation is almost a meme. Add to that the rampant devaluing of art as a skilled work (underpaid animators, ai, commission prices going for fractions of minimum wage, etc) and artists have a plenty tough time. It sucks to see one of the few genuinely helpful resources and guides channels go sour.

[@a_ahhhhhhhhhhhh]

This was such a cool video, keep it up please it was very fun to watch!!

[@johnbrockiii]

Thank you very much! Appreciate the feedback.

[@brandy6650]

love the topic of this iceberg series

[@Yatukih_001]

Conspiracy theory. Michelangelo figured out a way to heal his back. It did heal, and then he figured out a way to keep himself from aeging, so he would become hundreds of years old, eventually becoming known under the name of.........Blaas, one of my favourite painters. Thanks for this video!! Best wishes from Iceland.

[@foundingdeer]

YOUR PRONUNCIATION OF ZDZISŁAW BEKSIŃSKI IS SO FUNNY DUDE I CAN'T 😭😭😭 anyways great video

[@topaz3452]

He is not a kooleen defender…

[@this.is.levio7_]

I HATE HATE HATE AI ART.

[@KiraCrimsonXX]

ME TOO

[@roo.pzz4380]

SAME

[@guromenst4416]

Luddite

[@SonicfanTheNightfury5099]

I'm on the same Boat as well

[@claudiaberdella]

Does this icebergs get into the aesthetic terrorists? People like Shane Bugbee (Dana Plato’s Last Breath, Michael Hunt Publishing, etc…), Mike Diana (first comic to be jailed for his work in the US), Peter Sotos, Jim Goad (Answer Me!), Boyd Rice…

[@claudiaberdella]

… Genesis P-Orridge, Death In June, Nick Bougas, Marilyn & Charles Manson, 3 generations of LaVeys…

[@stanfordstryker4908]

Bro, rule 34 has doom slayer Trust me, I checked For research, of course

[@thatstockin]

doom slayer isn’t that obscure to begin with, search something completely random. like a giraffe, a banana, a table.. etc. that’s surely can’t exist!

[@CelesteLunaRael]

Oh..thank you

[@nah-e9o]

hi been binging your videos, good shit wanted to say that a lot of furries are in good standing financially because a lot of us work in the tech industry. looking forward to more stuff from you

[@EvieWren]

I've seen both Mark brunet (idk if I spelled that name right) and Samdoesarts, and I honestly prefer Sam. Mostly because his editing style and way of speaking is a lot calmer, Mark's feels overloading to me. Sam yes, usually does go over beginner artists, but I have to say, he does give good advice, and it's helped me before. The reason he refers to his fans as Art Babies (at least from what I know) is because we're mostly rather new to it. Its not a roast, or an insult, just a term, a way to group us all together and refer to us :). And you might say that a lot of his tips only work in one style, but Mark's have the same issue, from what I've seen of his KZbin Art Academy series. /gen/nm Regardless of your thoughts on this, have a wonderful day/night!

[@killerapteer6312]

you give off really cool and genuine vibes that i cant explain, this is refreshing

[@johnbrockiii]

Thank you. Appreciate the feedback 🖤

[@manifestationsofasort]

Love the jump from Van Gogh to rule 34 😂 (btw Izzzyzzz name is pronounced "izz-ezz, ie: "That coat is Izzy's")

[@jujuuuuu1851]

Next part pls!! :D Btw when you get to the Gacha Life part maybe you could add the weird stuff they had going on like "Gacha heat" instead of just the general cringe

[@johnbrockiii]

Oh, yeah, that's gonna be the main focus of that entry. I do need to do some more research on that, though, so please pray for me lol

[@socialgutbrain7774]

There's kids being cringe because they're kids and that's okay, and then there's people making nsfw with a childrens' game, which is bad

[@jujuuuuu1851]

@@socialgutbrain7774 yeah but the thing is a lot of those videos were made by kids as well, it’s wild

[@socialgutbrain7774]

@@jujuuuuu1851 That's true. I honestly feel bad for those kids since they're obviously not getting enough supervision

[@Sasha444luvs]

Lol Eathen Becker roasting art is more satire and jokes and makes fun of himself as well.

[@johnbrockiii]

Oh no, yeah sure. I get it. But his content gave rise to the art roasting "genre" of art channels and they're honestly not very useful to the art community at large and, as I said, usually just "haha hand look funny."

[@Swallow341]

​@@johnbrockiiiI can understand that sentiment, especially for those who are starting and learning artists. Some artists might be discouraged. But for the most part that you mentioned like Sam Does Arts and Ethan Becker, it's mostly jokes and satire and they do give out pointers sometimes. And this is just my personal take since I'm also technically a practicing digital artist, but I feel that in a way, a roast is a way to also improve, because the art world can be harsh, especially for those with harsh critiques or a straight up troll. At one point, you and your art will be "insulted". So in a way this is also to toughen up artists and get used to possible backlash or harsh insults. It's even more harsh on the internet. It can also be a way to gain clout for some of the artists, despite the roasting. That's just two of the things I can think of. To be clear, I'm not defending the two. I'm just saying what I think. As for Koleen, she's a different story.

[@aubdrii]

@@johnbrockiii Ethan becker made me start art again, most of his advice is simplified stuff. But he offers a different perspective with satire. A lot of time the title is clickbait and he actually compliments the artist he's "roasting". It really is just for viewer attention span which worked for me. I don't think he counts as an art roaster. that's more PKrussl, which did have a negative effect on young artists. His roasting of Loish which is called "Fixing loish stinky trash "Hands"" 1/3 way through literally dissects advice by analyzing her art style hands particularly. Comes up with a saying I still use for my art pieces. "WIDOFO" which is "When in doubtie one finger outie". Basically telling young artists that their favorite artist has a particular method of drawing hands and that it could improve your hand drawing by analyzing their pattern.

[@topaz3452]

Yeah and he also takes the piss at kooleen.

[@magdacz5475]

great video!

[@AvantHorizon]

Ito, Bacon, Chan... Wtf

[@jp3j]

hey friend. trying to make my own iceberg video. any tips? love this one as well. :)

[@GodzillaJr1998]

12:50 Mike Tyson cameo

[@jpjp3486]

I don't think Shrouded Hand is Scottish

[@Kewl_Cartman]

Some suggestions: Lakesp, Mel0dii, and SP_owo

[@SmilingAdvocate]

izzzyzzz is from new zealand

[@TH3_S1LLI3ST]

I have many furry friends and they are very kind!

[@thrwwccnt5845]

art roaster? just say u can't handle helpful critique. As for the rest great video

[@firelordoregano5632]

the notable lack of helpful critique is literally what he criticizes in the segment?? "this looks bad" is not helpful unless followed by an example of how it can be improved.

[@thrwwccnt5845]

@@firelordoregano5632 which they do usually follow with an example of what to do, these channels have been very helpful to me

[@akaneonfox]

This Ethan Becker seems very ugh...I do not like him mainly because he thinks he's a much better artist than others and like to down artist who are trying and I hate people who are passive aggressive with art beginners I mean they just started give them solid and actual advice do not to hurt their talents. Yeah my art was trash but I improve with people who give solid advice but I'm not saying i'm the next Michelangelo .

[@CelesteLunaRael]

I don't know if he had any recent situation, but it's clear he's being sarcastic and exaggerated. Ethan Becker is truly more for laughs and observations. I prefer Proko because he's met veteran artists and hosts them all the time.

[@akaneonfox]

@@CelesteLunaRael Oh thanks I just want good art advice.