The Dark, Weird & Controversial Artists Iceberg - Tier 2

The saga continues...
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 Corrections
1:01 Art Commentary Channels
2:46 Tobi
6:24 Hopeless Peaches
8:37 ARGs / Analog Horror
10:00 Cursed Paintings
11:08 Art Heists
14:21 Tumblr
15:20 JoCat's "Cancellation"
17:20 Instagram Bots
19:47 Shadman
22:07 Todd McFarlane doesn't go to the bathroom
22:54 Newgrounds
24:45 DeviantArt
27:12 The Genshin Impact Community
31:10 Zeefixesart and Racist Art Fixers
32:56 Kooleen the Troll and Her Many Controversies
38:47 Outro
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[@johnbrockiii]

Timestamps and Supplemental Videos are being added! CORRECTION: Hopeless Peaches uses he/him (and I think they/them) pronouns. I did not know this. Please forgive me.

[@johnbrockiii]

Timestamps and Supplemental Videos added! Thank you for watching!

[@syndicate_ash]

You also forgot to add Hopeless Peaches turned out to be Creepshow Art 2.0. as they recently got cancelled for being a weirdo.

[@Timidogbumplasm]

@@syndicate_ashoh boy its wayyyyy worse then just being a weirdo this rabbit hole goes deep

[@prettyhatemachinexoxo]

​​@@syndicate_ash• and was called out for harassing an autistic woman in a call and dehumanizing her with others going along w it, the art commentary community is the only place where you can be the victim but then later on be the worst person ever

[@Timidogbumplasm]

@@prettyhatemachinexoxo yeah and then it was found he was in a grooming server where like half the art cc where found to be grooming children and drew loli art for someone with a loli fetish it show off

[@magentialice]

21:09 actually drawing sexualized depictions of a real person without consent is illegal, regardless if it's a minor or not. I think it's been so normalized that people don't know this but it's literally by definition sexual harrassment.

[@nebulabunny8633]

Good work! I'd like to add that nowadays, DeviantArt has... falled from grace, because they are scraping their users for data to make A/I art, even for the stuff that was uploaded before that. They added generation tools.... yeah the art community is very angry for this and many have left

[@johnbrockiii]

Oh, yeah - I really should have mentioned the AI stuff. Whoops. Well, I guess I could tack that on to the bonus/viewer-submitted tier. Thank you!

[@Cubeytheawesome]

Yeah, and most of the art nowadays is mostly fill-in slop and nsfw. There are still some good artists, but at this point, they should just go to newgrounds.

[@nebulabunny8633]

@@Cubeytheawesome I'm guilty of that LMAO I've drawn so much Nsfw my gd

[@nettfian]

Correction for the genshin impact section. Anti shippers has existed for a long time and the word anti shippers has also been used before genshin. It’s probably because genshin is so popular that people hear it for the first time

[@ishouldbedoingmyhomeworkno535]

Wait I thought it's a rather common term that anyone in a fandom would have hear by now

[@nettfian]

@@ishouldbedoingmyhomeworkno535 I thought it was common too. But I guess people who’s not deep into fandoms doesn’t know

[@JohnWilliams-wl9px]

I’m a Sonic fan so I know Anti-shippers existed LONG before Genshin

[@Ganchanzilla]

The reason buying the wizard game is bad is it gives money to a woman who is actively campaigning to take away trans peoples rights in the uk, and when some people don’t get access to the medical assistance they need they commit unalive, I hope this helps you understand why there was such a big pushback around people buying the game

[@remunnie]

dude his "i like pancakes" "so u hate waffles" reasoning w/ equating playing a video game to killing people like a single person has ever implied that has to so genuinely baffled like jk rowling isnt such a notorious transphobe ofc trans ppl n allies dont want to contribute to her biggest project 💀

[@laraprisma6381]

@@remunnie The best option in my opinion would be to just pirate the game, that way you don't stop playing and still don't give money to the turf queen. I just think this whole drama got worse when people started attacking allies and trans people for playing the game. Personally, even if I were a Harry Potter fan (which I'm not, I always thought the franchise was boring) I wouldn't give money to JK Turf.

[@SodaCider641]

@@remunnie JK Rowling is an overall terrible person if you go down a rabbit hole listing out all of her terrible actions. That woman is actively campaigning to eradicate the existence of trans people. Believe what you want, ignoramus. 😒

[@-Apathy-]

The countryhumans one was a jumpscare. As someone in the fandom, I’m so desensitized that I didn’t even realize it was bad.💀

[@johnbrockiii]

I wouldn't consider them necessarily bad, but they sometimes get used in stereotypical ways, y'know?

[@th1rt3n_tn49]

As someone who used to be from the ch fandom i jump at thw nearest reference to ch cuz of how bad my cringe is-

[@Fr34ksh0w_C1rcu5]

As someone who used to be in the countryhumans fandom when I was younger, I think I actually got ptsd from the stuff I've seen there /hj

[@-Apathy-]

@@Fr34ksh0w_C1rcu5 Same😭

[@laraprisma6381]

15:13 Tumblr artist here! Tumblr is safer now, you can only find nsfw content if you search for it or find it by accident, and you can filter so you don't see adults or 18+ on the site. The least amount of nsfw you will find are blogs promoting links to sexual sites but in these cases you can report or block them and you will no longer see them and Bots that will contain +18 content. overall Tumblr is no longer super full of 18+ content, it still has it but it's rarer to find it there.

[@thelingeringartist]

Also with the Peaches situation, I can try to give a summary- A video came out of a 4 hour long discord call with Peaches, Lio Convoy, and a dozen other creators basically bullying (with ableism in there) a disabled autistic woman. Peaches was one of the main ppl during the call saying some quite nasty, belittling things- Which is ironic because Peaches should know better from being bullied himself…

[@Pilot-the-Radiowave]

according to lio the drama they were involved in mentioned in the video may have actually had merit because they (allegedly, lio himself probably isnt the best source) suicide baited HIM into constantly feeling bad and making people do things nobody wanted to do just for them

[@kaila-denzenhughes4130]

I watched kai/xzae's reaction and it was just wildly pointing out how right he was and how he constantly overstepped boundaries and assumed they were closer then they actually were

[@thelingeringartist]

People are entirely dismissing Omnia’s and Kai’s takes on it as them “wanting to get back at Peaches” and while I don’t support nor watch Xzae/Kai, I do think Omnia’s video had a lot of good points.

[@thelingeringartist]

@@Pilot-the-RadiowaveLio is also…A grown adult man with a wife. I’m not trying to downplay nor discredit or credit him, but there are many things that a person of his platform size and age, and experience level should be knowing and not-knowing. When I went to his channel to watch that 4 hour video HE made, I sort of got the vibe that he was sort of turning the stage light onto Peaches instead of himself. Wanting to redirect some shortcomings on his end to him, instead, knowing that Peaches had a history (allegedly…? Idk if it is that at this point) of being a manipulative and poor-mannered friend. Almost giving the vibe that he ignored those smoke signals to go further into the burning forest sorta thing. I dunno. I hope that Lio gets better from all that’s going on. I hope Peaches gets help himself, too.

[@Cinderpelt2036]

And that's why she called "hopeless" peaches because she always failed to saving her internet fame everytime she make a internet drama

[@lolabee1825]

More about Kooleen. The "apology" regarding the racism comments was very victim blamey saying it was other people's fault for getting offended and overall extremely disingenuous and she tried desperately to hide criticism about her instead of actually taking accountability which absolutely tanked her reputation and audience members I know I unsubbed after seeing her apology and she hasn't made an apology about what she said about Jaiden and she likely won't which is upsetting.

[@malignantclown666]

about the jaden/cooleene thing. Jaden dosnt want to be smexualized online wich she has taid numerous times so coolene calling her "mommy" was even more tactless.

[@jujuuuuu1851]

Isn’t she also asexual?

[@a_ahhhhhhhhhhhh]

As someone who somewhat plays genshin on and off. I don't know why but just hearing "13 and uh- gay" was so funny

[@johnbrockiii]

Shout out to you for being one of the small handful of well-adjusted Genshin players lol.

[@skellsum_]

​@@johnbrockiiiI'm one of the normal genshin players, I chuckled at that comment, our community is doomed fr

[@yourneighborjulian3465]

Oh my god you scared the crap outta me. I was like "Omg no way why is jocat on here" but we're chillin it's just people being crazy LMAO

[@johnbrockiii]

Yeah, honestly. Poor guy. Hope he's doing alright.

[@CriminalDoenjangJjigae]

Fun fact! Venti (the Genshin trap) is one of the only canon adults in Genshin (he drinks alcohol)

[@Kingbeat1]

I hate the fact that peaches turned out to be a terrible person

[@iwromi1852]

The tobi "fujoshi" stuff is hilarious

[@sanslami]

bruh that definiton of a anti was def written by a proshipper 😭 putting it more neutrally antishippers are people who are against shipping incest, pedo/grooming stuff and overall toxic pairings, the antis who send death threads to ppl are just a loud minority

[@devilishmint4450]

Zeefixesart was FOR SURE an elaborate troll. There was no doubt about it lol people believe folks too easily

[@partricknarpman]

Awesome video! Fun fact about Henry Moore, he lived very close to my home town, there's even a few sculptures of his here. I've forgotten which year this happened but a head was stolen off of one of his sculptures, was big news here, it was eventually returned and the sculpture was mended luckily. The sculpture now stays indoors permanently.

[@johnbrockiii]

Paintings are one thing, but I really don't get statue thieves, Thanks for watching.

[@Spyno41]

Man the art commentary is just is just a cespool of toxicity. Any commentary community really has been outed as toxic. I guess thats what happens when youre terminally online.

[@roo.pzz4380]

tumblr is great especially after the nsfw ban for me, it’s great for joining unique communities that you can’t find anywhere else

[@Nox.x_ART]

On the part about Tobi being a ‘fujoshi’. Fujoshi is notorious for referring to women who fetishize gay men/gay relationships, which is probably why the internet got mad at Tobi for it

[@Jinnishino]

The term Anti was used before waaay Genshin. I’m pretty sure it was used before this, but I recall it being used when people were shipping Otabek(18)/Yurio(15) from Yuri on Ice and then gained HUGE popularity during Voltron Legendary Defender…. which deserves its own iceberg.

[@theawesomeayla]

Not only was Kooleen being tactless, but it’s just weird cause Jaiden isn’t goth. She didn’t even draw her goth. She was just wearing a black shirt and had tattoos

[@Cloud_hair]

I love how all the genshin characters got sexualities and the last one is just non-binary.

[@hollowatelier]

Another fun video. Seeing what exists on the lower levels has me excited for future videos, because whoo boy: some of those people mentioned are nuts. I recently watched a multi-hour long video on John Wayne Gacy and seeing that his art is on another tier is... unsettling.

[@johnbrockiii]

Could've coupled his clown painting in with the cursed paintings, but he did do more than that one, so I figured I'd put him in a lower tier. Thanks for watching!

[@anotherrightbrained2225]

I hate that Shadman used to be my fav artist, their 2021-2022 artworks were the best. Let's not talk about the content, i love the way they colored, shaded, composition... some of their edgy gun arts are cool af

[@pyradragon]

man, so much happened. i've only been around for some of these ice specks. i saw a climpse of Tier 3 and excited to see what that drama of Jazza vs ZHS or something is lol

[@LoveFactoryParties]

Another wicked video, nice work dude

[@johnbrockiii]

Thanks.

[@Cutegirl920fire]

Enjoying your art iceberg videos so far! Once you upload every part, do you plan to release a compilation video of the iceberg that has every part in it?

[@johnbrockiii]

Yes! There will be a supercut!

[@Cutegirl920fire]

Oh awesome!

[@MelzyB97]

You should definitely do a video on cursed paintings/art

[@alixshooketh]

i’ve been waiting on this!!

[@johnbrockiii]

Well, the wait is over! Stay tuned for part 3, probably in around 2 weeks-ish. Wanna do another shorter video in between, since these iceberg vids are so extensive.

[@Crystre]

Use a heads up Peaches use he/they and I’m pretty sure now let the internet because of their more recent controversy

[@johnbrockiii]

Thank you! I did not know this.

[@ron4202]

I hope he never comes back, I watched almost the entire voice call and it was utterly disgusting on how they treated Rosa. They kept making fun of Rosa for her disability and even questioning if she had one. I swear, was Peaches drunk? He sounded more insane, till the end, when someone spoke up in how disgusting they were acting and Peaches suddenly got articulated and talked in a more "professional" manner. The whole call was horrible and vile, I hope those people get what they deserve. Especially Lio, he was spitting absolute venom towards Rosa, calling her slurs and telling her "Im not threatening you, I just want wolves to maul you," then the others making fun of her for being scared of that and saying "what, you think he can control wolves or something?" Vile people.

[@porkman6597]

youre so underrated this commentarys awesome

[@johnbrockiii]

Thank you! I appreciate it.

[@pervysage5465]

Looking at potential further tier, I am really curious about that John fellow, gotta hear about him

[@johnbrockiii]

Here's a preview: He makes really bad art videos and even worse art. His takes are awful and his content should not be viewed by anyone. :)

[@thelingeringartist]

People will come around and this video will blow up. Very well made vid.

[@jvmenesesmoros]

37:18 yes she does struggle with body dysmorphia but thats not why people are mad that kooleen "yassified" her. Its mainly because Jaiden is aroace (feeling no attraction to anyone both sexual and romantic) Jaiden has also talked about how uncomfortable it is for people to draw her in nsfw art and wishes for everyone to not draw her in those type of artworks. so for Kooleen to compliment her like that already puts her in a uncomfortable position because as "nice" of a compliment it is to say, its better not saying that to an aroace person. People are just defensive that Koooleen said that even though who knows if Jaiden will ever see her video lmao.

[@jvmenesesmoros]

Great Iceberg videos tho they are very interesting apart of the youtube art drama 😭 it gets a bit too tiring to hear about yt art drama

[@hyobro8392]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one weirded out by this "art commentary" community not being about art at all. I get having drama sometimes but I never really liked that community because they didn't talk about making art. And yes it was often really petty

[@sakai_sukistudios4157]

You sound like someone’s dad

[@johnbrockiii]

Not sure how to respond to this one, but thanks I guess lol

[@nahidahamed1742]

RIP Monkey jones, the best out there

[@johnbrockiii]

I watch Simian Jimmy sometimes, but it's honestly just not the same.

[@dan_mnght]

why is shadman in this tier? Why? I'm honestly scared for the next tiers now.

[@johnbrockiii]

Well... it is from most-known to least-known. Everyone should know about that creep by now.

[@dan_mnght]

@@johnbrockiii Oooh, i got it now, I never know if these icebergs are from most well known or about what the iceberg's about (dark, weird and controversial in this case). btw, this was the first video I watched of yours, now just watched the first part and some other about comics and manga, nice work, very down to earth opinions that I can mostly resonate with

[@sleighcake]

( 18:41 )it sucks because i literally got scammd by an art scam tik tok account and it cost me my entire bank account

[@russelkarpisek9216]

Okay but that French was so good for no reason 😅

[@johnbrockiii]

Lmao was it? I tried real hard!

[@prettyhatemachinexoxo]

I LOVE LEARNING ABOUT STUFF LIKE THIS, the art commentary community was my favorite back then but now they are all such fools

[@hornedskullasmr7811]

As of now JoCat got trending again for.....the same controversy practically

[@johnbrockiii]

You're joking. Lol gonna have to add an update when I get to tier 5.

[@user-ks2ik5uj4k]

yo i love when ppl do surface level research and also provide no photo evidence of their claims! it makes me respect them so much as creators and absolutely doesnt make me want to eat my mouse! ik its a lot of stuff you have to look into but you chose to do this. if i took a drink every time you said some form of "i dont know" my organs would ferment.

[@AshLawlz]

Hopefully next video it will b pronounced ih zeez 🙏

[@johnbrockiii]

Oh, is that how you pronounce it? lmao I'll get it right eventually! She makes good stuff, I feel bad about it.

[@pumpkinmaryam5500]

21:16 actually it is a crime

[@portugeese_man_o_war]

20:57 holy fuck i have never seen a speed paint of porn/semi porn before. Now i gotta think about how some people put their blood sweat and tears into making the most deprived images

[@louimmature]

Kai centai ohio rizz gyatt!!!!!!!!!!

[@johnbrockiii]

skibidi

[@amyyaku5022]

Yeah with Peaches it's just another can of worms to go into. The biggest thing is Peaches and others in the Senate bullied a disabled girl named Rosa (which as awful as it was, Peaches and those involved already apologized for it and Rosa herself deserved it for harassing people and doing nothing while pred@tors were in a server she was a mod for. People kept giving her a pass due to her disability, but it's ironically more ableist as the language used in the Rosa call)🤷🏾‍♀️

[@syafeeqahisham1740]

Oh,that reminds me of something. Uhhh,hopeless peaches now goes by he/him actually fof your information. Sorry if i sounded rude.

[@johnbrockiii]

Oh, didn't know. Sorry 'bout that.

[@syafeeqahisham1740]

@@johnbrockiii it's fine John don't worry about it. You didn't know about this. And I love your video if the iceberg of the art commentary community. To be fairly honest,I didn't know the whole creepshow drama due to me finding this community out through Harleytbs(when I was like uhhh 14 or 15 at the time) and I found this drama out from the video made by cruel world happy mind(she's such a good person and a very much a woman who I really care about very much). I met hopeless peaches last year before he got caught up in the whole drama. And when I found this out due to the Rosa video getting leaked,I was very very disappointed in lio and peaches to be honest for handling the situation so yeah. Oh my god,Im sorry I rambled again dude.

[@johnbrockiii]

@@syafeeqahisham1740 all good. honestly, all this art commentary community stuff was a slog to get through, but it's always good to have more context for things. appreciate the feedback.

[@syafeeqahisham1740]

@@johnbrockiii yeah,honestly. It's very nice to hear all of the icebergs actually. It's very nice.

[@prettyhatemachinexoxo]

33:36 • BRO I MISS THAT KZbin 😭 but yeah Kooleens jokes just suck

[@petehill7280]

13:31 It's pronounced 'Van Rine'.

[@Microewave]

23:32 *Alfred alfer..*

[@iskrassupercoolchannel]

hi

[@Angryestfish]

if your looking for some good art commentary KZbinrs, some good ones are zepn1, BreDrawz, LavenderTowne, and B_is_sketchy!!! (some arent talking about art atm, but that's ok!!)

[@Killallmangahaters]

woah based Mumkey Jones enjoyer, havent heard that name in a long time. these videos are great, i love your delivery of everything, though that just may be how you talk lol, keep it up!