The Darkside of the ENTP

#entp #16personalities #mbti
The debater, the mad scientist, the innovator, the scheming politician? Everyone knows ENTPs have a darkside, here's some cognitive function-related reasons why...
Love Who Patreon:
/ lovewho
- Request a video
- Get typed (by me and Lu!)
- Just donate to support the channel
Join Our Discord - / discord
Email address - [e-mail]

[@andyszlamp2212]

ENTP here. We're so good at making friends but so bad at keeping them.

[@Niveous23]

I learned that while I may defend a friend in public, and even physically..I will probably not pick up the phone to 'hang-out' with you. Do I look like someone that commits to stuff? Unless it's something I wanna do,and it's almost never something I wanna do.

[@sofiagreco5234]

I’ve never read something so true

[@lilac_lives]

sad comment very sad.. and very true.

[@paulfadden8834]

I'm 48 and worked as a barman for 9 years and a doorman for another 9 years. From watching people and from my own experiences I would suggest you need to be more careful about who you call a friend! We like to think life is stable, but it's not, in fact it is often constantly changing. People will come in and out of your lives, in line with what they need. A real friend is someone who cares about your well being. They might not do anything to move you forward in life, but they will not walk away if you need them and they will not do anything to harm you. However as an ENTP you will spend a lot of time thinking about things that they might not even consider so when I say they will be there for you it's in person, not necessarily to help you resolve issues, however you should be able to do that yourself. Get rid of anyone who takes more than they give, because they will take until you stop them from doing so and will not benefit you in the long run, it is better to have 2 or 3 good friends than to have 5000 people who only know your name! My best friends are people I have known for over 20 years and I only speak with them once or twice a week, because that's all I need and they know me and don't have a problem with that. However even though we are so close they can't give me a decent debate because that is not the type of people they are. We like to think that people are like us, but more often than not, it's not the case.

[@andyszlamp2212]

@@paulfadden8834 A lot of the people I hung out with were asshole leeches, yes. I thank you for the insight because that was very relatable. I'll be more careful when it comes to making friends.

[@ZacMac21]

"ENTP's want to have a combative back and forth, and then go back to being great friends straight after" Literally, the dream

[@lovewho]

Haha! Yes, once you understand this about them, they become much easier to deal with and enjoy ~ Nathan

[@this_mfr]

The reason no one wants to keep being friends with an ENTP after a combative back and forth is because it gets nowhere. Nothing is accomplished. You ruffle feathers for your own sake of entertainment and then walk away expecting everyone to just laugh it off and be back to normal. It is completely self-serving. At least develop a thorough debate and set of points and logical arguments and, instead of committing like 14 logical fallacies and appeals to emotion, try to be the least bit concerned with actually accomplishing something and working together with the person your ruffling the feathers of. You might get somewhere... - An INTJ-A who can't stand ENTPs. 🤣

[@AGoodBuzz]

@@this_mfr You say all that as though we are like you or anyone else, then plan to go out and do what we do, then find an opportunity and choose to do it. What I'm not hearing from you is any understanding that, at least for this ENTP, that we get up each day and promise ourselves we'll be different this time and try to be more accepting and let shit go, but once we're around others the instincts cause reactions and we've already headed down the same road to the point of no return... Again... And again... Then go home at night and think about how we failed to 'get along' _again..._

[@this_mfr]

@Natsu Dragneel "Stop TrYinG tO COnTrOl Me!!" - Every ENTP ever. Aka...an appeal to emotion. I've yet to come across an ENTP that does both research and takes action on what they research. All they ever seen to want to do is debate, and will admit to only caring about debating for debating sakes, arguing points into total irrationality and ending up completely off topic from the subject they wanted to debate. Kind of like this entire thread 🤣

[@this_mfr]

@Natsu Dragneel ^^^^Precisely the description of ENTPs across the entire internet, as well as self-described by ENTPs, and the exact weaknesses of ENTPs outlined by the MBTI. I can't count the number of ENTPs who self-describe as debating and arguing just for the sake of it, and refusing - absolutely refusing, to ever admitting being wrong and intentionally arguing illogical points to death just to avoid being wrong. It is precisely the "P" in your type that makes you this way. It's literally your definition. Deny it all you want, facts are facts. Its like a Sensor arguing that they don't care about how pretty something is or how beautiful a home is or how great food tastes or good music sounds...its literally contrary to their type. ENTPs are literally called THE DEBATOR. It's part of your personality to debate for debating's sake. And the problem with that is 99% of people have zero clue what debating actually is or how it operates to find deeper meaning and understanding. There is inductive VS deductive reasoning, implied and explicit, there is an order to arguments from premise > argument > conclusion, and dozens and dozens of fallacies all throughout human thought that most are clueless to. What happens when you point these fallacies out? A literal debate ABOUT the fallacy and how its applied begins and you end up not even talking about the original premises or argument... I've yet to find an ENTP that can debate for the purpose of deeper understanding without getting emotional and defensive.. Yourself included with your very first reply to me. "NO WE'RE NOT! You're just stupid..." 🤣🤣 An ENTPs idea of debating is this: ENTP: "Nuh uhhh! PROVE IT!" Person: [proves it] ENTP: "Nuh UHHH! PROVE THAT!" Person: [proves it] And so on until the unsuspecting and inexperienced individual you are debating gets inevitably tripped up in all the confusion you've caused and then you claim to have "won" because of their mistakes. It's like sitting in the stands at a football game and claiming you won because the team you criticized lost. Ummmm...no. You can't win something you weren't even playing in the first place.

[@user-sf9yo5jq3f]

I don't intend to win when I argue ,I'm just having fun .

[@lovewho]

Haha yes! Lu

[@IsaaczGrajeda]

I am wrong sometimes, that's half the fun.

[@conradsmith9441]

I don’t intend to win. I just want to make sure all beliefs and views are expressed. I don’t want the truth to never be exposed simply because we were afraid to have an argument. Any other ENTPs understand or agree?

[@jbouchard1944]

@@conradsmith9441 I understand, I like all the different perspectives, though sometimes the people I argue with get upset. I like being wrong, helps me to grow, however sometimes I find it difficult to really pin down my own opinions

[@alZiiHardstylez]

Just because you can argue, doesn't mean you should.

[@SandroneEko]

Entps are often treated as clowns, but when you think about their social abilities, pragmatism and creative and unpredictable ,you should feel terrified, if you hurt one. And that's why I like them. - Intj.

[@forgoogletotrack7181]

Exactly. We can destroy entire civilizations if we want to, without lifting a finger because let's face it, most ENTPs are lazy as fuck. We make you second guess yourself and fire you up in the opposite direction.. Personally I've stepped back and studied several corporate ecosystems I was working in. Corporates who exploited the vulnerable workers in their care. If you strategize correctly and play the "long con" patiently, you can unhinge an entire organization with a few pointed questions and statements to the right people at the right time. Basically I don't give a fuck about anybody or anything unless they exploit me or others. Don't even try to manipulate or control me. Treat people right and leave them be, or else watch your shit tumble like a house of cards.

[@apple4384]

@@forgoogletotrack7181 A big problem with the mbti community is that people don’t factor in mental stability and mental illness which clearly affects your personality my trauma has made me mature and as an entp I’m a nightmare for other people I really hope somebody would do an analysis on broken types

[@yamahamer89]

Not easy to hurt my feelings. The way to get to me is to hurt Someone I care about. Of course I won't do anything about it. The unfortunate coincidental events that happen to you, are completely unrelated to me, it's just carma. Very specific and harsh carma.

[@ADeeSHUPA]

@@apple4384 uP

[@mijochard1719]

Of course you like us. You’re our Shadow. (That’s not an insult, but a compliment)

[@sanjayrohra9560]

*ENTP* : we like clowns which everyone likes but nobody loves,

[@lovewho]

Awe i disagree! Lu

[@revanj3038]

*we're?

[@aerbald]

I'm not a clown, i'm a circus

[@aerbald]

I'm not a circus, i'm a spectator. Human society is a circus

[@aerbald]

Human society is not a circus. It's a zoo

[@vincentasbitinas2247]

Not really "dark side" video. You forgot to mention chaos, ignoring morals and other people emotions, not being afraid to lose, high risk/ high reward behaviour, selfishness, doing things for the sake of doing em, collecting people and many, many more.

[@hannahmathilda7101]

Would you like to hear about the “dark side” straight from an ENTP?

[@vincentasbitinas2247]

I am Entp-a myself. Ne-Ti-Fe-Si.

[@hannahmathilda7101]

Vincentas Bitinas A as in...okay, just kidding;) but question, how would you (briefly) sum up an ENTPs dark side? Like expound how you manifest what u wrote above.

[@vincentasbitinas2247]

More boldness. People dislike boldness, when facts are not sugar coated. Would be just as fair to not pander Entp's who already are known for being egocentrical, validation seeking (it is human, after all?) , chaos spreading jokers. Some of these things I heard; they are not totally "evil". Can be considered grey, or even positive from different perspectives. Give Entp's more flak. They deserve more, since out of all types they would be classified as the most "devil-like" or "chaotic-evil", if they get angry, destructive and bad. It is not like they would get as emotionally offended anyways. You know, like some say, they lack morals and conscience when compared to most feelers.

[@hannahmathilda7101]

Vincentas Bitinas I see I see...i guess Lucifer had similar qualities...especially the self pride. I had to talk myself out of it today...it was wandering in realms of egocentricity :\ we have that roguish charm that is magnificently deceptive

[@phoenix5054]

ENTP here. We can only be "evil" when there are other people whom we can influence with our thinking.

[@johnsmith1662]

Depends on what you mean by evil

[@johnsmith1662]

So unpleasant things are not all evil?

[@phoenix5054]

@@johnsmith1662 I think evil requires intention. Harmful may be a better description for unpleasant "things".

[@johnsmith1662]

I would have to agree with you about unpleasantness. So you believe that morality is objective, not subjective?

[@phoenix5054]

John Smith Morality is a social construct, hence, subjective.

[@Gregnoxy]

ENTPs are great scholars if they have enough discipline

[@elwarden1]

an ENTPs with the discipline already studied can do great things, since they have an extraordinary creativity and imagination if they set their mind to it

[@BillLaBrie]

If...

[@yamahamer89]

As long as we can study hard and fast. Get as much info as fast as possible. Slow learning is annoying and useless, especially in groups. That's why college is for people who don't value time.

[@ADeeSHUPA]

@@yamahamer89 uP

[@felipelomba7033]

@@yamahamer89 I think that you forgot that knowledge isn't just a bunch of facts putted all together. Slow learning is understanding your object of study, is knowing why you learn it and how is that possible. Slow learning is about reflexion, it isn't about being wikipedia

[@jacquelineshukla919]

my older son is an ENTP and I do remember how he would argue for the sake of arguing! I have learned to enjoy this trait now that he is an adult, and we have spirited conversations on a myriad of topics. I just have to remember that he loves to verbally spar and not to take what he says personally.

[@PaperMicShow]

Only one who know the entp is the mother

[@zunoki]

@@PaperMicShow right in the feels

[@akumabakemono1447]

As a male ENTP, I agree with you. My girlfriend, mother, brother, etc toled me that I have all this characterisrics BEFORE we all even know the existence of MBTI. So when we discovered MBTI, and the characteristics of my personality, they all just cry of laugh. By the way, I don't know if this common to all ENTPs (The bast majority of people I know are INTP, ESFP, ISTP, ENFJ) but my way of being extrovert is different to the common: when I get into a group of people, in the begining I act like an introvert, just listening and analizing what other people says, thinks and act. Then I begin to jump in the conversation until in some point, I become the one who talks more and the one who is debating with all the people at the same time.

[@kottieexe]

dudeeee samee

[@7Bobby7]

same but sometimes I'm confident in my ability to be cool so I'll be very extraverted with strangers😎

[@sofialu226]

Same

[@hannahpeterangelo7551]

I know an ENTP that does this too

[@ADeeSHUPA]

@@7Bobby7 CooL

[@alexm2833]

entp describes me so perfectly that its almost disappointing, i thought that i was "special" haha.

[@StarOnCheek]

maybe not special, but at least not a feeler

[@ADeeSHUPA]

@@StarOnCheek a feeler

[@amateruss]

@@StarOnCheek There's nothing wrong with being a feeler. A feeler dominant can also be smart as hell especially if they have developed their decider functions. Also remember that we have Fe as parent function.

[@fatmaosman6155]

It really hurts when I argue with my friends and they tell me "okay you win", it hurts please understand us . We don't want to win we are just pleased with expressing our opinions and having fun.

[@silversalmon9909]

Its that exploration of how ideas interact that is important, not the winning, though that can be enjoyable ;)

[@7Bobby7]

so I joined a debate society and that was one of my best decisions ever cause its not even the debate that I love the most, it's the people. okay I gotta stop commenting now😁

[@sofialu226]

Literally xD I feel more stisfied with a debated which ended in a "tie" (no real winner) than if I won the argument, though, I don't like to loose either xD

[@GhostFoxGoddess]

this^^

[@Simi-ye2sw]

@@this_mfr Idk what happend to you when you were a child but I'm sorry for that

[@seventhsheaven]

Yup. Just two days ago I helped orchestrate a split in an online community that ousted the people I didn’t like, without me getting my hands dirty. I did it almost entirely passively, just by being patient. Now harmony reigns once more.

[@lovewho]

Haha doing the good work. Keep it up! 😜 Lu

[@Pete-gs5ii]

ahh the Thanos method

[@daisydaisy246]

Me doing this thing as well lmao, I feel bad but it necessary to keep peace and harmony within the group

[@aged.quod.agis.]

I used to argue about gender role in society with my ex. I didn't even want to win, but it was more like brainstorm for me.

[@ClNoBody]

I've been in multiple work meetings where observers thought our discussion was going to come to blows only to have the meeting end and the two of us leave as buds and go to lunch together. The game is so much fun.

[@avanicole6700]

My friend: why are you so certain that you’re right? Me: I’m not, but you took the other side

[@hannahmathilda7101]

For once in my life I actually feel evil...other than that, I’m not affected;)

[@lovewho]

Haha good! Lu

[@redhead_in_florida]

😄

[@heatherbryant4197]

Whoah! Sudden unexpected reappearance as narrator! (not just cameos) Where the hell have you been, lady?

[@lovewho]

I've been here the whole time 😃 Happy to be back. Lu

[@christineschreiber5073]

See, I knew it was too short... I see it as a problem that ENTP can make contact easily and be warm and enthusiastic and then you meet them againa nd they are just cold and distanced. That instability doesnt help having good relationships with people. People shoudl know that and know that with being nice with them anyway, it helps them to warm up again. Also they dont really commit, I gues sthats annoying a lot for others. Always find a way out if needed. Also ENTPs are disruptive and interrupting and talking a lot, annoying everyone. And can be too honest, too much of a chameleon, hinest but not authentic...

[@lovewho]

Amen to all of that Lu

[@revolutionfrommahbed4246]

Chris D. Everything is contextual with the behavior of an a ENTP. If we’re somewhere just to socialize, we socialize. If we’re in work or problem-solving mode, we don’t get bogged down with “niceties” like bending over backwards to make people feel welcome (unless that IS part of the job/problem solving.) ENTPs tend to be really good at taking social cues and assessing if someone is too busy or focused on something else to engage with us and we don’t take it personally. We just walk away. Unfortunately, it kind of grates on us when others aren’t as finely attuned to our needs in the moment. We can and do commit to relationships, I’m just gonna go out on a limb and guess you were attracted to an ENTP who was friendly and then turned off the charm when he/she realized your intentions and didn’t return your affection. Out of curiosity, why should anybody “be nice anyway” if we’re not seeking to further a friendship or romantic pursuit? Because we are peacekeeper-y by nature, and Thinkers/not Feelers we really don’t want to get into awkward conversations with people explaining WHY we don’t have feelings for them. I’m learning that XXTPs and XXFJs have very different standards and expectations when it comes to courting behaviors. My advice to you is, don’t get hung up on it. I guarantee the ENTP doesn’t even see his/her behavior as rude or inconsistent.

[@christineschreiber5073]

@@revolutionfrommahbed4246 "ENTPs tend to be really good at taking social cues and assessing if someone is too busy or focused on something else to engage with us and we don’t take it personally. We just walk away. Unfortunately, it kind of grates on us when others aren’t as finely attuned to our needs in the moment. " yes, same for me

[@christineschreiber5073]

@@revolutionfrommahbed4246 "We can and do commit to relationships, I’m just gonna go out on a limb and guess you were attracted to an ENTP who was friendly and then turned off the charm when he/she realized your intentions and didn’t return your affection. " no. Im an ENTP myself. It happens to me all the time that Im nice just from my principle to be nice to everyone (if Im aware that is, in that moment) and they think, we are best friends now or men, that think, I want more.

[@jess1ca547]

I don’t even know what to say as an entp

[@hughfirebaugh5164]

Weaponize empathy.... that is one of the best ways I have ever heard an entp’s F described

[@jarzez]

When I was younger I thought I was leaning towards sociopathic behaviour at times. Seemingly I couldn't care less about people's feelings and would sacrifice anything on the altar of "truth". But as I grew older, particularly the last few years, I matured a lot emotionally and realized there is no harm in showing emotion and that others do it. Even though I still consider myself terrible at showing emotion, but I'm trying to get there. It helps a lot in your interactions if you're not perceived as an emotionless shell of debating power.

[@chrisw9122]

Bills? What are those? I stopped checking my mail and the post person stop delivering to me 😂 #entpthug

[@lovewho]

Haha i feel that! Lu

[@BillLaBrie]

Just didn’t feel like it. Sorrah.

[@GQFJB]

I'm an INFP, one who sometimes likes to play Devil's Advocate, and I love debating ENTPs

[@ashleelmb]

Well I'm an ENTP. Raise a topic and lets do this right now, son! 😂

[@Niveous23]

aww, i like losing too sometimes. ;)

[@StarOnCheek]

@@ashleelmb someone gave up on a debate I was about to start, so let me throw that in here. I watched a video about a school shooter. The shooter had pretty hair and a really cute face so I commented that and said it was a shame life ended up that way for him. There was a little exchange in the replies that ended up with the other person saying I was "clearly unstable" and not worthy of arguing against, but my point was that the shooter didn't choose to become a shooter, they were influenced into it by unfortunate circumstances and because of that don't deserve any less respect ort appreciation than any other person.

[@ashleelmb]

@@StarOnCheek Okay, so I get from what you've said that you've empathised with the shooter over the shooters mitigating or 'unfortunate' circumstances. So what were they? What compelled them to become the school shooter?

[@StarOnCheek]

@@ashleelmb no idea, the video never mentioned that, i just don't think that people can really be evil by nature. Maybe he had a really bad time at school and was bottling up emotions until the bottle finally bursted. It's not his fault school is actual hell for some, it wasn't a choice for him to go to school. I think it is the societys fault he shot up a school and now the society is punishing him as if his life wasn't bad enough already

[@smilinazzdoggy825]

Love the video. A lot of original, personal insights. Keep em coming!

[@redpanda146]

“I’m not attacking you just your outdated ideal” Someone on the internet

[@wallaroo1295]

I just recently discovered this about myself, ENTP, and it is definitely something I need to bring up with my Psychologist, because I also have all kinds of severe trauma, from childhood, through my career in Police - and retired as a Detective. Watching the various videos on ENTP is like looking into a mirror... Like, 'ho-lee-fuck... That's... me.'

[@AGoodBuzz]

*'ho-lee-fuck... That's... me.'* You say that like it's a _bad_ thing....

[@spiritualau8263]

@@AGoodBuzz INTERPRETATION: HAS LEFT THE CHAT

[@loudassvictor]

Your final quote gave me life. Thank you.

[@anandaalvarez4336]

Please like and suscribe?

[@AussieImport]

This was an interesting experiment! Apparently, everyone is confused when Nathan’s witty script is delivered with Lu’s gorgeous peach smokey eye. But why is that? What’s so different? Is it Nathan’s way of pausing for emphasis and his well timed looks into the camera along with an evil smile? Or is it Lu’s cheerful eye shadow and hoody? We need to do a follow up experiment to get to the bottom of this! So Nathan, how about a neon hoody and some peach eye shadow then? 😍

[@lovewho]

Haha love this idea! I think nathan would look great in neon green and smoky eyes

[@k8schmate]

41 yo ENTP here, I only debate/argue (whatever you choose to call it) IF I sense the other person is up for it. I spend a lot of time studying people (now) before I engage in that kind of communication; after getting burned by sensitive types I realized that not all people get off on that kind of back and forth.

[@En.core.z]

I thought I was a sociopath, I just discovered I had all the entp's dark side dominant

[@baaf777]

Welcome back Lu! :)

[@dalinplaisier6791]

entps are the only people who have been able to make me look dumb, and i hate and love it at the same time -intj

[@abor7ab535]

good to see you again

[@alexandralenzinger8482]

Lmfao I do that all the time, I argue one side, then someone changes their mind and then I argue that side. But I never ever saw it as “arguing” and was always shocked when ppl would get upset cuz I’m always trying to get the other person to have a bullet proof plan. And You might think... well why don’t u just not do that? I literally can’t help it. I find myself in those types of conversations all the time. It’s really bad when ppl bring up political beliefs and I can’t help but argue the opposite side even if I don’t care either way or even if I don’t agree with it at all. I just need to know what they’re gonna say and how they’ll react why they think that and how deep their conviction goes and to find out what they know that I don’t if anything. And even when I know it’ll create chaos I still can’t help myself. I just love when I meet someone who can talk back to me without being offended, then I’ve made a friend. or someone who knows their facts to the point where my knowledge ends, then I learn more. If they can’t deal w me, then I know they’re too stupid for me anyway. So no matter what I always win. At least that’s my POV. For example: someone “ I want a camaro” me: “why? Aren’t u concerned about gas prices? Insurance? Safety? Seating? Cargo room? Getting pulled over more?” I’m not arguing for not getting it... I’m finishing for all the information that they have on the subject just cuz I want to know for whatever I might need it for. Entps always have contingency plans: so our “devils advocate” questioning is a means of seeing what YOUR contingency plans are, or for determining your use of logic.

[@gumonthepants]

I'll take all of this as a compliment. After recently learning about myself with this video and many others it has allowed me to tone it down when I sense the other's discomfort. Before this I never considered my trait's ability to really upset some people until it was too late.

[@HappyPundit]

You look like Jennifer Lawrence in the thumbnail for this video! Love it. It's a fun graphic :)

[@NickRyanBayon]

Being bipolar along with ENTP is a whole other level ballgame though.

[@synctrox9679]

True

[@atanaZion]

I'm Bordeline and ENTP, Bro

[@amateruss]

@@atanaZion You probably cry when you lose in an argument.

[@atanaZion]

@@amateruss Nah, at worse I get mad

[@atanaZion]

@@amateruss But I never think in terms of loosing actually

[@skydude7682]

If you ask my wife what her least favorite thing about me is, she will probably tell you it's my tendency to argue against values she knows I have.

[@IsaaczGrajeda]

Spot on, I resonate with this.

[@DawnedDusk]

I've always been enamored with entps. I feel like i enjoy a lot of their traits, from the devil's advocacy to the gray morals, even though those traits are seen as frustrating to most people. Gotta love that rogue with a heart of gold!

[@LooneyTiksCrap]

I know what you mean. Ones I've known also amuse the shit out of me. Fun to exchange friendly taunts with. They're like living oxymorons, such as an intelligent jackass or the very caring asshole. ❤

[@lovewho]

Amen Lu

[@Niveous23]

bless you strange and random person that actually enjoys our quirks. may you not stub your toes for years to come.

[@revolutionfrommahbed4246]

The Auxiliary It’s not entirely “gray morals” as much as ENTPs recognizing morals are subjectively built around unique individual experiences and priorities. I know what “my” morals are, but I accept they may not gel with yours because different life-experiences have shaped our views. Taking a stand that will affect other people is difficult when you feel the weight of possibly altering another person’s outcome based predominately on values viewed only through your personal lens... 😬🤷🏼‍♀️ Seeing things from so many sides is cool, but also a bit of a curse 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@paigehodges]

RevolutionFromMahBed - well said! Appreciate this so much. Never been able to put that into words. Thanks from an ENTP. Take care - Paige

[@andrewb5743]

Positive archetype of the ENTP is the inventor or magician. (Benjamin Franklin or Leonardo Davinci) Negative archetype of the ENTP is the trickster. (The Joker)

[@user-ze1oz4dv4g]

or Saul goodman

[@deeveevideos]

Somebody's been reading my diary 😉 also we are God's gift and curse upon this dirtball we call Earth. My favorite thing that usually irritates people when I debate them is saying what do you actually mean by (insert random) word. And you break down the debate so small that they can't even argue the point anymore because a lot of times people don't actually believe in what they say it's only what they hear and try to repeat it.

[@Niveous23]

that's true. but what i'v learned over the years is that people actually despise confrontation of any kind. they literally hate arguing/debate. it's weird, because it's like the most fun thing ever for me. most people get fatigued and give up. it's like a weight lifter fighting a greco-wrestler. sure, the big looking weight lifter has this passionate and lively first five minutes, and then they just fall apart.

[@deeveevideos]

@@Niveous23 LOL I totally understand that. And I've come to learn that. I do love debating. And it took me awhile to figure out what triggered it and it's usually when people try to State something that they know is 100% true and then my brain instantly goes. Well what if that isn't true? And then I'll start arguing the opposite of what they stated even though. I might agree with them, LOL. And You can just see the fatigue when you're arguing that they will. Start slowing down, especially when you bring up something that they said the counter what they are trying to say later in the conversation.

[@Niveous23]

@@deeveevideos exactly! and the oddest thing is the same debate that is draining them is literally hitting me like an expresso. after like thirty minutes i'm smiling and trying to shake their hand, and their just sour faced. i start falling asleep when it's a circle of friends agreeing with one another without really adding anything. but your main point resonates the most. It's the, "I'm 100% sure of myself" attitude that triggers the debate. I'm rarely 80% sure of the things that I BELIEVE IN. How did they manage a full 100%?

[@deeveevideos]

@@Niveous23 LOL! And I know what you mean like a majority of the time if I'm bored I get super tired. But as soon as I engage someone in any sort of conversation that I can have a debate on it's like instant. Caffeine straight into my veins, LOL. I have learned. To take people's feelings into account, especially after my wife. And I would debate her but she looked at it as arguing. And would get mad at me for not taking her feelings into account and I said hey. Offense is taken not given. Didn't work out too. Well, so now she's the only one I actually care about hurting their feelings, LOL.

[@Heimdall1999]

😄👍

[@avenumohan7879]

The only side of ENTPs, The other sides are just enacted

[@Niveous23]

I have many sides. They argue with each other. It's a very lively discussion.

[@avenumohan7879]

@@Niveous23 the joker side always wins the argument though

[@atanaZion]

YUP

[@triskerslake3763]

'Weaponised empathy'? I mean, yes, of course, but no need to tell everyone.

[@fritzmichaellluist.sitjar7312]

Cant wait for the Enfp version of this

[@lovewho]

🤩😜 We gotcha Lu

[@gbahde]

I don’t and have never felt power hungry. I have worked to have legitimate power but the power was to effect positive change. But power for power is boring.

[@unssertain]

When i argue i try mostly to state facts & always strive to win with the vast spectrum of perspectives & knowledge I've gained and especially examples are the factor that help me in explaining my points. But i tend to provide examples about the opposition in the argument which tend to make things heated up unintentionally. They become egoistic and biased and the term "facts" leave the argument. But what's more confusing for me comes afterwards that is After the argument i don't want to talk to the person and i kinda behave spitefully with them but i also feel guilty & responsible for ruining someone's mood. So idk if i wanna hate them or hate me.

[@smilinazzdoggy825]

If you can explain polar fi and third slot fe I'd be very interested,as I've never heard the terms. Thanks in advance

[@fckyafeelingz4064]

Touché madam

[@ExistingSmiles]

I love debating, restraining myself from arguing takes so much effort (i really do try)

[@emreyldz4324]

If you want to imagine how an evil entp looks like; think of Joker, Jim Moriarty, Irene Adler, Lucifer, Tyrion Lannister, Jack Sparrow or..... Think of Lucifer himself. :) We want another video from Nathan also.

[@minusw3niger365]

CAPTAIN Jack Sparrow

[@getyourmurderon]

one correction, lucifer was standing up to god, for lilith. the first two humans were adam and lilith, both made of eath, thus both equals. lilith wouldn't submit to adam, (this is a jewish story) basicly adam wanted missionary she wanted to be on top, he wasn't having that, nor was god happy about her not serving adams commands. Thus lilith was cast out, and lucifer for defending her and chastising god for being sexist. Then god created eve, using a rib from adam, thus stating that she had to serve man, because without man she wouldn't be alive. The entire story of the bible, is about how god was furious at lucifer for being the moral one. Even in the garden of eden, the frut came from the tree of "knowledge". you see this still today, anything educational, scientific, factual, that religion demonizes. Easiest way to disprove the bible however is First Corinthiens 13:5 (this section of the bible is telling you, the reader what "love" is) - It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. God dishonors rape victims, females in general, and anyone not serving him god is self seeking, if you don't love him and serve him, you're going to burn forever in a lake of fire and torment, that also isn't "freewill" that's forceable actions to achive a desired outcome. god has the highest death count of all gods, or people, lets not forget, dude was so pissed about free will, he flooded the entire earth keeping only 2 of each living thing on a boat. god holds all accounts, what happens as per the bible when you die, you get judged at the pearly gates, all your past transgressions. Lucifer is actually the good guy of that story. God is the villain of that book. I grew up as a little bible thumper, even in school i'd have prayer classes, went to church camps. till i stopped "listening" and started "reading and understanding" that religion is a book told from the perspective of a narcissistic, petulant child. Your do good, help humanity, entp-a with adhd.

[@jerrytomas3136]

Lucifer from the tv show is an ENFP m8

[@HappyPundit]

Lucifer is a hero!!! That is all.

[@hanz2904]

@@jerrytomas3136 how so?

[@francescogonzini4199]

As an Entp I arrived at a point in which sometimes I feel sad about being conscious that people will never really see what we see. We are so over everything, we are so smart, we have such a big picture over everything, its sad to know that is not the same for everyone. Cause you grow, and “normal” talks between friends can appear as stupid talks, or talks about stupid insignificant things, but that for them is normal, and “playing the part” is okay, but we are so so much more than that, and we need profound philosophical full of ideas serious discussions too, and no, not only for the fact that we enjoy jt, but even for feeling okay, cause we are more, than just gossip and stupid stuff, and we need more in conversations at times, and thats why we get bored and makes something funny or crazy, we recognise the things and our brain go over with millions of great other funny or amazing things. About human understanding, we are so bad at feeling, we analyse, and study the human psychology in order to know how people works, and how to interact and be with them, and by, “people” I mean even ourself, as i said we are so bad at feeling and so smart in thinking, that this can lead us to not recognise how we work, how we feel ecc, as humans, or not accept it, because we think its stupid. Its normal, we have such a big mind, and the mind is infinite and travels trought all things, everywhere whenever we want, the reality instead is so so limited, blocked, small and boring and even people can often seem as too “blocked”, the mind makes you free, even tho it has her own weight. Watch Rick and Morty, thats a perfect example of all that I’m talking about. Thats it, I just made two examples, I could have given billions, that fact of being so over everything thanks to our minds and knowing that all the people are not, isn’t a good feeling. Thats it, bye 👋🏻 Entps let me know what you think about it in the comments, and Entps (Infjs too 😉❤️🙈☺️) follow an dm me on Insta, I’m looking for other of our species 😂👌🏻🌌 @francescogonzini, bye pt 2 🤪👋🏻🌚👌🏻✨🔥

[@ADeeSHUPA]

uP

[@paigeheartly8936]

Love all the debates I’m seeing in this comment section lol. ~an ENTP

[@holeelonen2783]

When im depating, i usually dont bring my own values at the table in first hand, if at all. Anyway most people assume right away im against they argumemen and gets very upset when they finally realize not knowing are we confronting or not and me playing with they thougts, even mad because they assume im playing with they feelings also and start calling me names, then i realize its time to stop and apologise hurting them, so they wont hate me after all.

[@Hari-kx2er]

This is not really a" dark side of entp" video. This is more of a discussion of certain cognitive functions in relation to ENTP. The other "dark side" videos in this channel such as "dark side of INTP" and "dark side of INTJ" are much more to the point and illuminating. P. S: The ending of this video gave off the impression that the host desperately wanted to praise ENTPs (I can evaluate the value of my own beliefs , thank you. It is not just ENTPs who can do that) . Nothing wrong with that but if you title your video as "dark side of ENTP", then better focus on that. You can make another video just to point out the positives of this type.

[@Hari-kx2er]

@@redhead_in_florida Iam not an ENTP. You can understand what I meant if you compare and contrast this video with the other "dark side" videos from this channel itself.

[@laurendill3794]

I think it might be because Lu made it and not Nathan, I have nothing against either of them, I just think they have different video styles. And Nathan’s style of video might be more suited to the “dark side of ____” videos

[@Hari-kx2er]

@@laurendill3794 May be, it seemed to me as if Lu was reluctant to fully explore the "dark side of entp", unlike Nathan who explored the dark side of INTJ and INTP.

[@JohnnyRapide]

As an ENTP I do agree that this is the dark side of the ENTP. All my problem comes from the lack of interest in organisation and the super power of debating. Every people I like become worth of talking about value, the problem of being really good at arguing is that a lot of them feels like shit if they stand their ground. I can destroy point by point most of what they say and I have wild interest so I have the data to back it up. People feel dumb in this situation and it is really annoying because that really isn't the point.

[@Hari-kx2er]

@@JohnnyRapide I am not saying that the host is wrong about ENTP. However, this video (except the Si section) felt to me as an underhanded attempt to compliment ENTPs. If you want to praise them, then title your video appropriately and list all the positive traits of ENTPs. The video ended with a really overarching and stereotypical declaration by the host about ENTPs style of debating. Other types are also capable of evaluating their beliefs or convictions. Secondly, ENTPs are also human and their assessments can also go wrong or be incomplete. Just because an ENTP backs you up doesn't mean your argument is bulletproof. Neither is the reverse true.

[@aidanjudd4214]

From the outside, as an ENFP: I know that feeling is my dominant function in how I get through life while thought plays huge part its minor in comparison. Having the insight, my best friend is an ENTP, he understands the nuances of my mind as he's fought hard to understand his own. (Haha, writing and at this point wondering where I'm going but I know I'll get there in the end 🤣) I think that its important to feel, and allow feeling to play it's part in the decision making for an ENTP if they wish to remain true on their path. I lack a certain emphasis when it comes to thought based judgement and perceptions Being EF, where subsequently the ET can lack feeling based judgement and perceptions when their necessary. I suppose, (I got there YES 🤣🤣🙈) we are all part of the human consciousness' omnipresent path and only by pairing with those who bring out the best in your own character and persona can you stem the tide of darkness. We're still tribal, but were no longer savages, I'll end it here, before I continue...

[@7Bobby7]

cooperation is a human superpower. thank you😁

[@amola4148]

omg so me i ignore something that i see is crashing down on me cuz i don't want to deal with them.

[@jarYiskah]

Luuu!!! 😊

[@hamedkaviani6080]

My darkside is that I'm too laay to watch it till the end.

[@enigma7744]

Sounds like it will be a rollercoaster ride with a entp

[@NathanJGlass]

Indeed!

[@justanothersherlockian7058]

INTJ here. I have a crush on an ENTP and I somehow find all this fun.

[@conradsmith9441]

I feel so praised! 😅

[@themoonbleu627]

love your long hair 😍

[@lovewho]

Thank you! Lu

[@StarOnCheek]

so rare seeing people with long hair

[@theplayer20]

title: when video: if

[@kali4967]

I've noticed you say "come acrossed" a lot. it's cute. I admit I do frequently sacrifice ppl's feelings in the name of truth. truth happens to be a huge turn on for me. But how do I accept the fact so many people describe my search for light as 'darkness'?? idek if i'm an entp i just wanted to ask

[@kali4967]

I think I found my answer in the fcking Bible: John 1:5 (nasb) "The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it." Sounds legit. I'll accept it

[@NoorNoonMoon]

@@kali4967 our holy books got it all indeed , I really enjoy flipping through holy Quran looking for answers for such questions,,I always end up finding gems and codes of life. -entp ಠ◡ಠ

[@user-ym8sp2yi1k]

a discussion sometimes get personal, if my opponent can't debate properly. Emotional or manipulative arguments destroy every debate thats meant for information exchange.

[@christineschreiber5073]

whats your experience with Fi polr, Lu? in ESTP, I mean, is there a video about this?

[@lovewho]

U recommend watching the videos i did with Kati We touch on it. Lu

[@christineschreiber5073]

@@lovewho I will! thx

[@wormgf]

you just described me perfectly 😬

[@wormgf]

i do try to call myself out on my negative or toxic behavior and i try to improve but these are all definitely attributes i carry

[@7Bobby7]

your awareness of the danger you could be makes you really cool, some people think they saints while in reality they cause a lot of damage😬

[@fsfbart]

One of my friends gave me this sign: "I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right"

[@LionhartM]

Awesome thumbnail

[@lovewho]

“MeLusa” ~ Nathan

[@readhpp]

Me winning the argument then moments later switch to their side. Just a freak with their head

[@catlover5350]

As a child my mom would often say, “you argumentative little madam”. 😂🤣 decades later I now understand why I was!

[@Calvini2013]

I don't know why people call it arguing when it's just exchanging of ideas 🙄

[@chainmail5886]

2:39 That smile. THAT GRIN. I KNOW WHAT SHE FEELS AND THINKS. HAHAAHHAHHA

[@DINGOMUFFIN]

Perhaps we get full of ourselves when we know who we are...

[@7Bobby7]

I've been worried about my ego lately not really worried but a little concerned that it was growing too big after I started trusting myself again😑

[@gothicfly]

Hmm good vid. Very understanding. Too bad I got banned from discord.

[@schwesterino1111]

HELL YEAH

[@rayanalfadel5911]

watermelona33 you started this

[@schwesterino1111]

Rayan Alfadel i sure did

[@dumbledalfthewizard9486]

The Joker movie illustrates the ENTP dark side better than any movie I've ever seen. I love that movie. It gave me chills.

[@PaperMicShow]

Whats the difference between entj and entp

[@ijustwanttosleepnow]

Shit, she’s onto me.

[@eloisaguer3901]

ENTP here, I can confirm, even tho I am not a dark one

[@LouAkane]

ENTP-t here. It's less of wanting to argue, but more of wanting to expand my insight on the 'other side'. Slightly pissing the other person off is more of to motivate them to fight back than something personal, but a lot of people tend to take it personally which can lead the 'argument' to get personal and illogical. And winning matters less to me, like sure, winning feels nice, but what does it matter if I got nothing but a ruined friendship from it? In the end, despite being surrounded by so many people, it gets so pointless and tiring when you're the one who has to keep on kneeling lower to their level all the time. Adjusting isn't a problem, we're flexible after all, but having to change for them is another matter.

[@LateCambrian]

ENTP sees "The dark side of..." immediately clicks.... LOL

[@entropy8000]

0:56 MEEE

[@filipepavesi6366]

Accurate.

[@momo_chanovo23]

Why I'm so bad at english TvT 💔?.. I'm just trying understand something

[@loraborealis2551]

Is this why they are so critical and hypocritical? They don’t seem to have conversations all the talking is one-sided and God forbid you wouldn’t listen to every word.

[@jd5787]

ENTPs can feel for the villain and side with him in movies...

[@DeathFarmerInc]

Okay, I am NOT part ENTP and part ISFJ after all, since that makes no sense. I am an ENTP with overdeveloped Fe and neglected Ti, because females don't do Ti, and devalued Ne, because Ne is flaky and Ni actually makes specific predictions, so why am I not doing that instead? I had no idea what a good girl I was being, because I am so ill-behaved on another level. Horrors!

[@alexisflores7770]

What do y’all think of your polar opposites isfj

[@atanaZion]

I call them mom

[@7Bobby7]

@@atanaZion me too 😢

[@iTiM50]

lol introverted sensing is a jokeeee we might miss some things and cause problems, but we are naturally problem solvers so it’s the big picture it doesn’t matter at all - ENTP

[@micahgmiranda]

ENTPs don't even argue that much. Yes we do. Says who? Says me. Says you? You too! Yea, true.

[@taydupreez8555]

Lmao i always want to deny that im arguing! I dont call it arguing, i call it conversing. If i were arguing then i would be invested in the outcome. 😎 #technical also, it only gets called an argument because the other person is losing the battle of wits hahaha

[@lovewho]

Haha entps and technicalities 🤪Smh Lu

[@taydupreez8555]

@@lovewho 😘😁 gotta keep it real hahaha

[@micahgmiranda]

@@taydupreez8555 I've become skeptical of "keeping it real" as if you're doing everyone a favor by acting impulsive and labeling it authentic kzbin.info/www/bejne/ppfdYad6hr-bp9U

[@christineschreiber5073]

yes I also dont believe that we are arguing. But then I look at the complaints about me never easily believing anything but question it and not accepting until I checked myself wether its plausible.

[@leina1858]

Bruh i have Asperger's and an ENTP, what now

[@SuperCuriouss]

Yup. My taxes returns are 13 years overdue.. mmm.

[@x25violator]

Holy hell... no joke I totally just remembered a ticket I forgot to pay

[@lovewho]

Bahaha

[@jd5787]

I like how people think my brother is a great diplomat when I, ENTP, is better than him. My brother just tries to please everyone while I have limits. I don't buy into the BS of family members who want you to listen to them on everything like my opinion doesn't matter. I am diplomat when I need to be and I don't mind burning some bridges if needed sometimes

[@Mikangelovillalopez]

What is polar Fi? ENTPs are (Ne-Ti-Fe-Si) right?

[@lovewho]

"PoLR" is a Socionics term. Whichever function is the opposite in terms of extraversion/introversion to your third function is the PoLR function and it's considered the worst one. So ENTPs have Fe as their 3rd meaning their PoLR function is Fi ~ Nathan

[@migotoh_]

I reacted every comments that I agreed with. So shout out to everyone who get the notification!

[@freshbakedclips4659]

Being an ENTP is like being a god in flesh. We can literally re-create reality as we see fit, but our actions are limited to the tribe's values (Fe). The majority of us are a--holes, especially the immature ones. But we are like this for the best of everyone, if not all. We are the jerk that actually cares, if not, most of us.

[@toddhowardforreal3912]

Why is being principled held as thie inherently good trait?