The 'Day Before' devs are back...

[@LukeStephensTV]

LIKE THE VIDEO or I'll make you play 'The Day Before' AND their new game, 'Escape Factory'.

[@elijahwallace5300]

Ask them to fly you out for a dinner in exchange for a good review, nerd.

[@baka-oni8358]

random letters as password: "WHY IS NO ONE JOINING MY LOBBY!"

[@dannysmi7162]

@@elijahwallace5300He didn’t.

[@SoTrippie]

Best believe I’m liking

[@thirdeyenz]

Great video Luke however I disagree with your explanation of asset flips. An asset flip is buying a premade complete game with code and art that's supposed to be used as a base for your own game and just selling it with no or minor changes. Whereas buying assets and putting them into your game you made yourself is not a bad practice for people without art creation skills and shouldn't be looked down upon. It's an important distinction and people's misuse of the term puts a lot of negative pressure on devs to not use paid assets.

[@DispensableGamer]

A second chance is for mistakes, not for actively trying to scam people

[@TheRealUcanUwill]

Their main two new principles are honesty and transparency, and the first thing they do is delete comments that show how much of their game is asset flip.

[@profezzorBALTAZAR]

Exactly, glad I never purchased any of these games😊

[@SerfinBird]

Second? Theyve been doing this for years. Day before was like their 5th "game"

[@bungiecrimes7247]

Says who? You? Forgiveness isn't a concrete concept bud

[@magnusvir]

Bruh they arent scamming propnight was hella fun it was no cash grab whatsoever and your view on these developers is all based on a singular game in which they made a big mistake (which everyone does) and btw everyone got refunded

[@aydenking]

"Everyone deserves a second chance" - known scammers

[@Tyrownious]

- also people who typically don’t give second chances themselves but want you to

[@cernunnos_lives]

I never gave them a first chance. And I won't be doing it this time

[@ijakoan]

They've already had more than one 2nd chance, The Fail Before was not their first failed game project.

[@atomictoaster3393]

translation: "we are out of money and we need more, pls give us money"

[@Demonsouls1993]

they are known scammers they dont deserve anything but to not be bothering us

[@JUSTFORCAUSE]

They missed a chance to call it "The Day After".

[@RockLou]

"The Day After The Day Before"

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

What I was saying

[@henrik971]

​@@RockLou That's today 🤣

[@emmanuelstyles6345]

The could've called it "9 months later"

[@henrik971]

@@emmanuelstyles6345 like a baby

[@ArthurShotgun]

Scam: The director's cut

[@DarkeningDemise]

Can't wait for Scam: The Director's Cut Dual Shock Version. You think Mamorou Samuragochi could make the soundtrack for the most authentic con esthetic?

[@JhochIvy]

fun fact if you check any kickstarter page you can scroll almost to the bottom and there is a clickable button that says "report this kickstarter" just in case anyone was wondering....

[@thezackster7069]

Things like this are the reason that button exists

[@alexkrylewski3218]

Reported. Let's hope, I'm not the only one.

[@FatalKitsune]

"FROM NOW ON.. we commit to honesty" Oh, so last time was just all lies? I mean, we know it was all lies but it's weird to see you admit it like that.

[@greed-1914]

That is what I took from that. Promising to be honest implies you weren't before.

[@stankobarabata2406]

anddd also a tell tale sign they will scam again. its just whatever works to get ppl to cough up cash.

[@FatalFist]

And they're already limiting negative feedback and actively flagging comments on STEAM that mentions things negative. Their own party of people have created fake accounts, which you can tell by their curious choice in typos - all talking about how much fun they are having.

[@damondriver6363]

@@greed-1914 Yep its like saying "im sorry i cheated on you, but NOW IM COMMITED TO BEING FAITHFULL (:"

[@itsmeIsaSilverberg]

I'm a copyeditor. The way the text just repeats itself without ever adding anything new or worthy of mention makes me think this is a GPText...

[@MILSPECMOM]

That's because it is said software. Scammers put as little effort into things as they can. Maximizes returns. All trash Humans.

[@Beauty_Bot]

Yep, journalist here and that was my first thought.

[@daylen577]

Important to note; $496 from 23 backers ($22 each) to $9840 from 26 backers ($344 each). The 3 backers that joined after your stream backed with an average of $3115 each. Edit: never mind, apparently it's just the one guy who pledged $9300 and then some tiny ones lol

[@whatifindbeautiful]

That stuck out for me too. Like ... artificial inflating interest. Good eye.

[@alexubel]

Its back down to $2200 from $11,000. Which is strange in and of itself.

[@daylen577]

@@alexubel I'm guessing kickstarter registers the funds to reserve the spot, then tries to process the payment. Might take a few days for a payment of that size to be processed and denied/cancelled

[@alexubel]

@@daylen577 Good to know. Thanks.

[@FatalFist]

I'm betting it's a proxy bank account that they're pulling money out of to fake activity.

[@MsSoulBlader]

You know the saying: "fool me once shame on me, etc" but these guys knew EXACTLY what they were doing, they don't deserve an ounce of respect

[@Hamburglar009]

Which version of the saying though? Because I prefer the George W Bush version: fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can’t get fooled again”

[@jurnoss]

@@Hamburglar009was he drunk? I thought it was “fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me”

[@ChaoticD3sTroYeR]

The return with a vengeance, a will to prove all of us wrong, that they CAN develop games with new id- Oh, nvm they're just making another fall guys. I don't wish them good luck tbh.

[@Retro_simone]

This is really annoying for other dev, including myself, I am a solo dev, about to release a trailer for my dream game(not aiming kickstarter - just early access on steam), before that I had experience in game industry for the past 10+ years in AAA companies... now I use some art assets from store, I am a game designer not a modeler/texture artist (so i slowly replace them or modify them but it's taking ages and some of the model just work fine and fit my overall visual style, I spend 80% of my time on the coding and game design). And I m super concerned to release the trailer. So just to mention here, not all dev using marketplace assets are bad dev! (But Fntastic is... don't give them money, they got their chance multiple time and screwed it up).

[@Fergus-H-MacLeod]

I have nothing against indie devs using marketplace assets. It's pretty much unavoidable.

[@FlyfishermanMike]

What's your game?

[@Retro_simone]

@@FlyfishermanMike The game is called Retro Inc., trailer isn't released yet. Hopefully by mid October. (working on it)

[@audaciousjones]

​@@Retro_simone hello, im an undergrad trying to get into marketing. Do you have linked in?

[@thatguy2920]

I feel your pain. I’m also a indie dev, been working on my first game close to 4 years now. As someone whose working full time, outside gameplay mechanics I use a lot of marketplace assets for building my levels/a character creator tool for making my npcs, and the way they took advantage of people and then had the nerve to come back has left such a bad taste in mouth. Horrible how someone will take advantage of people like that.

[@EastyyBlogspot]

Kickstarter having 28 backers and being such a low funding target....I would not be surprised if fntastic were the backers, though I could gave sworn the target was a higher amount

[@pacmonster066]

They absolutely set the target so low so that the funding target would be met and they'd get guaranteed money. And I 100% believe the large chunk of the funding is from the founders. A real game *cannot* be made with the amount they asked for. They've learned nothing. This is just another grift.

[@amaririii_ch]

Alternatively, there are troll backers.

[@sheepgrass500]

Exactly what I was thinking

[@diyarekamran5080]

😅..

[@CaptainKillroy]

Somehow... The Day Before Returned

[@skeptic.agnostic]

This oddly looks like it's written by ChatGPT. I would love to run that PDF against an AI checker lmao

[@MaakaSakuranbo]

AI checkers are useless sadly

[@alfredmitchcock8518]

soon "AI checkers" will be useless because fakes will become too good

[@wbnbn9670]

@@alfredmitchcock8518 That's kind of why they are useless now. The amount of false positives with them makes it actually pointless to try to use them for any definitive evidence (kind of like a lie detector). Though, you're right, it only matters now because there is a sort of "GPT" writing style. With later models that will hopefully be eliminated.

[@michaelh878]

​@@wbnbn9670If you write like an ai, it might come as a false positive. If you write like a normal human being, it won't.

[@solidfeline9093]

​@@michaelh878sure michael, sure

[@JohnHawthorne-n4z]

"everyone deserves a second chance...to scam again!" 🤣🤣🤣

[@FatalFist]

They blew what little money they managed to sneak away with because lets be honest, they did make some money off TDB before STEAM sabotaged any attempts they tried to make more from. I mean why else would they file for bankruptcy, close a studio, and then come around acting like they're reopening it. Even THQ had to be rebranded (THQNordic) with a new developer team. They're so oblivious it astounds me haha

[@yellowraincoat.]

This is the equivalent of a person cheating on you 10 times, getting caught each time, then a month later asking you to give them money so they can take you out on a date to 'fix things'. 😂

[@avocado3-in-182]

That sounds… oddly specific but go off.

[@yellowraincoat.]

@@avocado3-in-182 Not in the slightest :)

[@iHelderScrolls]

They didn't even took the time to delete the "dont include this in your game" folder ... 😂

[@Retro_simone]

I saw that, it was funny :D

[@Evan-k]

Take

[@rxxdlb]

they are not devs they are just a marketing company

[@dicecorporation]

That's what Russia unfortunately has become after most devs perished in 2009. But it worked out for Atomic Heart. Those guys were also just marketeers

[@FatalFist]

@@dicecorporation At least that game worked though.

[@dicecorporation]

@@FatalFist It did because they were good at pitching their product. Got like $25 million from investments. Most other games are made on a minimal budget

[@55rz55]

Asset-flips in of themselves aren't bad, indie devs, who probably don't have a lot of money to hire artists, really benefit from being able to use ready made assets. So that isn't the main issue nor should it be imo, the main issue is that they don't use those assets to make a good compelling game for the price they're charging.

[@greg3576]

Yeah exactly, its really annoying to hear content creators like Luke not understand that the reason pre-made assets exist is for people who can't do art or can't code ect. I rely heavily on premade environmental and prefab art, but I can code. It's all about what you do with it. Even then majority of assets can't just be dragged and dropped into a project and boom game, you need some sort of expertise to setup things like networking, etc.

[@jjhaya]

​@@greg3576he really doesn't understand Game Development just like most content creators who talk about games, if you want to criticize a game, don't talk too much about a game using assets, it would just make you look ignorant, assets are there for a reason.

[@party4lifedude]

The point of using pre-fabricated assets is so you can spend your time and effort on other aspects of the game, and you aren't spending months and months just making lamps and trees and small details in Blender. But some people just use nothing but pre-made assets and templates, and throw them all together into something that is the bare minimum of what could legally be considered "a game" just to try to make a few dollars off of people while doing the least work possible. That is what I consider to be an "asset flip". Games that have next to zero lines of original code.

[@rosaria8384]

Asset flips are bad when the game itself has no effort exerted into making it.

[@CallMeGreggles]

I bet there’s gonna be people who’ll still buy games from this company

[@allhailderpfestor4839]

I mean Day Before has been marked scam by like every single gamenews channels and then some, but plenty of people still bought it. Some people just don't care or aren't aware.

[@joshschmidt8784]

Yeah only content creators to bash on it for content 😂

[@Fergus-H-MacLeod]

I'm sure that's true partly because a lot of people won't know it's the same guys.

[@Violet_Erin]

Sadly kids are gullible

[@elescritornomada]

I already have seeing people in forums saying that they will give a second chance to the developers.

[@lomo1407]

Somehow, scammers return.

[@Alucard_Seven]

I just looked at their Kickstarter the 9500 contribution has been removed lol.

[@shabazz717]

They did the same thing with prop night. It was a playable game. It sucked. But it was a playable game. That was what they pointed at when ppl called it a scam. They claimed they had a valid and playable game. Fuck these guys.

[@thebaffman4898]

"This time around we will not scam you, we promise" - Fntastic, while raising money for another asset flip hastily put together just to scam more people.

[@e-tean-son4146]

What is wrong with asset flips?

[@FatalFist]

Bruh, I literally got Animal Party vibes from watching their gifs. That is all they're good at is asset flipping XD

[@FatalFist]

@@e-tean-son4146 Asset flips are meant to save time to create a product, there's nothing inherently wrong there but the problem with what Fntastic did was promising a game that was NEVER going to be what they were showing off. It's like saying "Here's Halo!" and then giving a game like Super Mario - a side scroller.

[@LertGroup]

Hi 👋 I am the sole backer responsible for that huge pledge amount 😂 Turns out kickstarter doesn’t charge until the goal is met so I just put in an old visa gift card and it went through! Scam the Scammers, that’s how I see it anyways 😂

[@thientuongnguyen2564]

That could make a niche Atomic Shrimp video.

[@ledkit]

But now they are going to reach the goal and take away money from everyone else.

[@FatalFist]

@@ledkit Agreed. It's just not worth the effort. They're fooling unsuspecting gamers by using a proxy bank account. You aren't scaming them, they're utilizing your presence to inflate their ego.

[@DaniM2002]

That whole PDF reminds me of how a teenager would try to convince their parents that they deserve a Car/ new Console, listing off the good things they did or chores that they're gonna do etc. lol

[@iansantosart]

honestly it's very likely is just a scam but those assets were just normal, there is nothing that develops the game for them there. It's almost unavoidable for indie devs to use assets because there are things we just don't know how to do, cannot learn easily and we don't have infinite time. Even AAA companies use assets, i've seen videos about tree assets used in red dead redemption 2 and building assets used in elden ring, so of course games made just with assets are bad but the use of assets it self shoud not be criminalized in this way

[@FratinandMadrik]

I'm getting major "Fyre Fest 2.0" vibes from this whole thing

[@michaeltalpas]

"We have spent all of the money you gave us for the asset flip we failed to deliver, and now we are asking you to give us more." "No."

[@michaeltalpas]

I don't know what it is about bold-faced scammers that makes me so giddy. I can't stop laughing. It's like a joke that never stops being funny.

[@Calebe_Sagaz]

I'm glad I never gave this bad game 'Day Before' a single chance. They copied several things from other games both to put in marketing and in the game itself. They are not respectable professionals, they do not deserve the slightest success.

[@horseeater69]

What are you talking about you didn't break up with the game nor paid any single penny for it.

[@Grave_Digger606]

I was watching this video on my phone when set it down for a few minutes while I was doing something and not paying much attention. When I came back, Luke had the MS paint pulled up explaining something. Nice.

[@rykehuss3435]

They re-designed their logo (by copying twitch logo) so its all kosher now, they have my money

[@TheMetalfreak360]

Somehow, the devs behind The Day Before has returned. I would not even open a pdf file from them. I ain't trusting them for a second.

[@VengeanceFalls]

Why didn’t they just rename their company….😂

[@OnasaD]

*I’ve got a plan* Dutch~

[@geekbella]

Made me lol😂

[@yordanyordanov7903]

Got me good.

[@devak45167]

“Going forward, we will be totally honest” 😂 that is a damning admission

[@midgetsparkle]

"I cant believe they're doing this" I can. I totally can. This is exactly the future I thought we're going to live in.

[@holden4620]

I wish there was some sort of government entity that could intervene here and block them from requesting anymore money from people. These guys should be treated with the same amount of respect that we give indian call center scammers... or those guys that call you and demand you pay for some outstanding warrent with an apple gift card.

[@Fergus-H-MacLeod]

"The Department of Video Game Quality"

[@michaelboyle1805]

Courts can theoretically do this but these guys are based in Russia. I doubt the Russian judicial system would care though

[@michaelh878]

Which country?

[@SoTrippie]

This video title sounded like a world threat, and boy aren’t I scared

[@greed-1914]

"Somehow, Fntastic returned"

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

Honesty and Professionalism you would think this would be a given. The sheer audacity of it all is hilarious

[@honoredsage4946]

There’s no way people are fall for this are they?? I mean I know some will..

[@idkyoloroflmaoggwpfmlwc]

Everyone who played Far Cry 3 just recalled one famous quote from one famous bad guy :D

[@joshuadavids7683]

2:36 We should've 'take action' by suing the hell out of em

[@yanaymigdal1497]

The nerves to ask for a second chance💀

[@sifuntse8457]

I think it's another scam. This Kickstarter is probably just gonna help pay their debt or something.

[@hey_bucklebob]

Coming back so soon with the same studio name is BOLD strategy

[@joshuasmith147]

"The Studio Behind the Day Before" is an underrated phrase

[@mattappl3119]

"Somehow Palpatine returned", is now making a lot more sense after hearing this.

[@cb20076]

Somehow the days before devs returned

[@Rightchickenwing]

4:03 No-one in their right mind will touch this game with a barge-Pole clearly, good!!

[@Blastfurnace2k]

That mouth thing on the conveyor belt is the same mouth on the ballerinas face in Cabin in the Woods.

[@raphaelfriquet2618]

Great video! In a matter of a month, your channel became one of my favorite! Keep up the good work!

[@Maitredebo2]

To think some people will give money to their kickstarter is just baffling.

[@ijakoan]

Regarding the point about refunds: 1: They never got paid from Steam in the first place, Steam only pays Devs the following month after the game was sold. 2: While the whole thing about Steam taking a cut is correct in general we do not know how Valve handled it in this specific case, because Valve suspended their regular refund rules for this one game and approved all refund requests for it unconditionally.

[@runvengeance950]

A newcomer to the channel and just wanted to say you're awesome!! Your videos are very easy to understand and entertaining

[@Shorty3D]

Cant wait for Fantastic 3!

[@10191927]

How or why they believe they deserve a second chance is hilarious

[@elijahhaase5058]

Fun Fact: Checking Kickstarter two days after this video dropped it would appear that one person who backed the $12,000 tier appears to be gone now somehow, and the total earned now at time of writing is back down to only $2,320.

[@rubmon64]

That's not how refunds work. Refunds happen before any steam/dev split. They're a complete undoing of the sale, as if it never happened.

[@johnligon2368]

Why would, ANYONE TRUST THESE SCAMMERS

[@Rightchickenwing]

2:09 The devs assume that gamers have forgotten 😂 but it's worrying $10k has been donated, no doubt it's their own money they pumped in

[@Raygun_Cowboy]

Just an update, the kickstarter is back down to about 2300. I'm so invested.

[@terrelldowns6432]

OMG. I don't know what I would've done if he didn't kick that ball into the goal, my OCD was raging.

[@nicholashaywood7949]

I’m telling you, they saw concord and were like “we have a chance”

[@OneModernGerman]

"How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, Old Man?"

[@heavyjuggernaut3912]

I literally went "What do you mean they're back?"

[@konnen7354]

That's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it works out for them.

[@yordanyordanov7903]

Mmmmm it won't,lol,lmao even,hehe,if you will.

[@gabecoronado3627]

how much yall wanna bet the unforgettable dinner would be at Chili's

[@K4r4n-g6p]

its normal for devs to use free assets and git assets atleast until they start making some revenue but im confused if fantastic is a company or just a discord server where bunch of people sit down and decide to make a game and for 10000 dolllars you can atleast get decent assets from known websites or even hire 3 modelling artists as an intern for couple months i just dont get the company.Gaming is in a weird place right now with ubisoft going crazy with their own controversies.

[@V0RTA]

If you donate to them $12000, they will invite you to an exclusive dinner, excluding the payment for the food, flight, and restaurant.

[@mmahighlights5867]

Calling them a studio is an insult. Calling them anything other then frauds, scammers, filth is unjust. You reap what you sow.

[@Beauty_Bot]

Fntastic really putting the "ass" in "asset flip."

[@-Zegop-]

It makes me sad to see there’s people pledging to the kickstarter. These guys don’t deserve a second chance.

[@baka-oni8358]

random letters as password: "WHY IS NO ONE JOINING MY LOBBY!"

[@SpitfireSpud]

I was just looking at their KS today, its only now at less than $2,000/€2,000. It looks like whoever dropped the 12K , was probably a dev or member of the team. 😅

[@morganaburlesque]

But remember y’all. Shit happens.

[@jesseduran7353]

I find this hilarious. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Anyone who gives them more money gets whatever they deserve. The huevos on these guys.

[@PugsleyThePear]

To be fair, that was a good set of principles they had chatgpt write for them.

[@alphamuplays1669]

once again kickstarter proving its dedication to quality

[@LotarWc2]

It wasn't dev's call to put the game off Steam. Publisher did it. As well as publisher decided to kill the severs and publisher was the one responsible for refunds. Gotovtsevs disappeared from the web and it looks like Yakutia based publisher also lost any contact with two idiotic brothers. There was a lot of 'coming out' from 'interns' and everybody in Russia wanted to roast them for scamming poor 'inters'. And what seems to be even more amusing, this time they didn't make an announcement in Russian language, so either they decided to scam only the west and away from home or they actually fled the Russia and now hiding abroad.

[@ariefmunawar9598]

Everytime i heard this company, i can't forget that twins face. I can never forgive them after what i heard about testimonials from former developers at the fntastic

[@Butterfingers1989]

That fancy dinner wil most likely be a very nice McCafe.

[@tingamer2508]

So the steam refunds are not paid back by the devs, they are removed at the end of the month when the payout goes to your bank not at the time of sale. I don’t think there is a way that a dev would end up owing steam money for refunds with how it’s setup.

[@Remington934]

Damn, I didnt know you were an artist for Fntastic /s

[@occularmalice]

There's nothing wrong with using assets. I use them myself for my games. I'm a solo dev who doesn't have the time or talent to make every 3D model, rock, tree, or even music loop. However what isn't cool is taking a complete codebase, slapping in a bunch of visual assets, and doing the bare minimum to make a "game" then ask for $15k to finish it.

[@SaucY213]

The audacity of these devs is insane.

[@DanChernikov]

They're back, huh? Like Skeletor jumping out of a pit ooze? "I'm baaaack!!!!"

[@zuuemudz]

They already know, when this one gets screwed ,all they have to do is shut everything down and disappear for 9 months and come back again. This is exactly where the problem is.

[@DeadBatteryRed]

"Somehow Palpatine has returned"

[@ProwoodStuff]

Insanity: Doing the exact same thing, and expecting things to be different.

[@tristanschmidt1239]

yes this will either lead to a fun game or some really funny times I'm ready for either outcome

[@BloodyBulletShellz]

The other very important aspect of asset flips is that they usually buy and make a game solely out of bought assets. Many games and devs use bought assets in their games, and it's not a problem. the issue is that asset flippers make generic or worse versions of popular games, and usually sell them on misleading trailers meant to draw the eyes of streamers. A lot of the time ,the games don't even work and sometimes include malware.

[@jackiebrowning5520]

Someone trolled them with a donation, the amount has been lowered on the kickstarter

[@maxgriffin7870]

god that Titus statue is epic...

[@bernout4341]

I swear I read the title as "they're black" 😂😂

[@porkyloin4798]

The Day Before all time peak in steam: 38,104 Concord all time peak in steam: 697 Jesus, The Day Before is better than Concord.

[@mushishroom3563]

The only reason that, at the time, they had raised so much money is because most of the "support" they were getting was purely sarcastic and has since been revoked and knocked back down into the 2000s area.

[@mushishroom3563]

Would also like to add that they've been deleting comments like crazy on the Kickstarter page lol

[@tealishpotato]

They genuinely expected everyone to just take them at their word, and not come under heavy, HEAVY scrutiny... pathetic.