The Dead Game Fallacy

According to every person on the internet, your favorite video game is dying. It could still have plenty of players, be receiving updates, or even just be a single player experience, but if you enjoy something popular, you'll hear this statement very often. So in the lamest protest of all time, I present a video that complains about vocabulary and word choice. And I coin the phrase Dead Game Fallacy, so that's something.
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[@claytonreeves150]

In my experience, "dead game" is pretty much a euphemism for "I no longer play this game and am ashamed of how much I used to."

[@eltiolavara9]

yeah

[@Andreas_Mann]

I love how KZbin thinks this video is about Paper Mario.

[@seer6251]

I legit don't know why lol. I'm all for it though, that's a super dead game,

[@2SI_Official]

This is paper Mario did you not see Mario win the game?

[@psychodriveskip]

It now says League of Legends 😀

[@josephjames9090]

@@seer6251 I really hope you saw it and changed it to league cause that's funny as heck

[@Pasta221]

and now its world of warcraft, the AI is going mad crazy on this one lmao

[@klonoaguntz8309]

You know one thing ive always loved about this channel? You list the soundtracks you are playing in the video so they are easily searchable. It feels professional and it really goes to show you care

[@deanthelis5578]

Okay mister gumpy here's your 0.0001 cents of ad revenue thank you for being honest with us

[@Andreas_Mann]

Please make videos about the Diablo "clones". The good and the bad. What they did well and where they fucked up. I want to hear your opinions!

[@seer6251]

Sounds fun! I have plans that relate to this idea actually, so that could be something sooner than later.

[@bobguy6542]

@@seer6251 niiiiiiiiiiiiiice

[@XUndergroundRap]

Diablo 1 n 2 >Grim Dawn > PoE > everything else

[@DjZephy]

Fyi Diablo 1 is a blatant Rogue clone. Literally exactly the same game. Rogue was inspired by dungeons and dragons which was inspired by something else etc

[@MajoraZero]

@@DjZephy While Diablo 1 was inspired a lot by Rogue, there's an absurd number of changes starting with not being turn-based and not being ASCII-art.

[@vnshngpnt]

Finally somebody said that. There is no such thing as "dead game" unless it's literally online game and servers were shut down.

[@Xendrius]

Hi there fellow wow gamer.

[@Demilich23]

hello xendrius!

[@Alex_v1]

Love your comedic timing and editing fam. Excited to see what you do next

[@ForteUltimus]

I love your videos and your silly alliteration. Your scripts are much smarter than you give yourself credit for.

[@kimbosplice6762]

Keep up the great content. Good takes, great editing and actually funny. Not chasing fads. Thanks d2r release for bringing me to this channel.

[@zachb8012]

Guy writes a script and tries to say something. Almost like he cares about the content he's making and not the ad revenue. Dumbass shoulda spent his effort tricking unsupervised children into clicking on Huggywuggy finger song baby shark animations or shrieking at every mundane turn of events in a lets play, he'd have a million subscribers by now.

[@kimbosplice6762]

@@zachb8012 while I appreciate the reply, You spell our name wrong.

[@bignov5173]

Seer, when you open a merch store there better be a t shirt with René Descartes saying "Thanks for thou kickass game".

[@mekarawr3229]

Love you buddy, you have the worst sense of humour ever. which is why i find you absolotely hilarious

[@tierman2132]

The outro music always makes me want to watch more. Love this content!

[@Ceb773]

Seriously, I said this on your last vid, but did you go to school for video editing or something? This is fucking stellar and I refuse to believe you have this many talents. It's impossible frankly

[@reflectivism]

This is the optimism I needed to hear today. Thanks, Seer!

[@zachb8012]

I like Seer's assessment of how the term, "dead game" is used verses what it ought to mean. Similar to widespread butchering of the word literally or the status-quo refusing to allow tomatoes into the fruits club, if enough people are on the same wavelength the meaning of something changes. Now people just call a game dead when they have some personal investment into it but feel their dwindling enjoyment is shared across its player base, whether its true or not. Dead game means about as much as the word literally.

[@xerpaderp9078]

I've only seen an actually pretty dead game once, and it was an MMO I don't remember the name of that me and a friend were checking out. We played it for a solid couple of weeks but in that time we met literally one other player. I remember it being pretty exciting for all three of us, a like "holy shit someone else!" kind of moment. The fact that the servers were still running is probably an argument for it not actually being dead, but definitely seemed like a game that was on life support and probably on its way to getting shut down.

[@i_am_ergo]

A rare mention of Quake Champions, one of my absolute favorites for the last five years, appears. Did not expect it.

[@TheKirby117]

God tier script writing and video editing yet again, thank you

[@KornSaw]

One of your bests! Keep it up love the videos

[@renhansen1246]

I love your honesty, Seer. In the end (8:10) that's what we all want! Keep up the good work!

[@Gahdam47]

Your bridge example gives me life

[@Claytron4000]

Thank you for this gift. I have viewed it and again will view at a later time. Have a nice day.

[@seer6251]

I'm humbled! You enjoy your day as well!

[@alphapolimeris]

I have so many jokes... But I feel it's better to say I really enjoyed your videos since your best d2 class serie. All of them.

[@zarfen]

I’m convinced some “gamers” don’t want to play games they just want to complain about games online.

[@cristhianmlr]

Wouldn't it be crazy if this ends up in a reaction channel from certain famous streamer?

[@seer6251]

That'd be a trip. That's a passive motivator for trying to keep improving, in case I'm suddenly on a randomly big display, lol

[@kithesageel5737]

This channel is hella underated

[@kwazii363]

man i remember shattered galaxy what a long time it's been since i thought about it in any capacity

[@gordothenodious]

Seer, man, your videos are really good. On top of that, the editing is super crisp - I, at least, like it. Then there's also the writing, which is fantastic. Sure, you might be big dumb dumb, but that doesn't mean anything to me, as I can't even understand English! Much love, keep doing you~

[@robertlupa8273]

2:09 "Because what isn't dying at all times is like some jellyfish f%$k somewhere that lives forever, I don't remember the name of that, what do I look like the Discovery Shannel?" xD

[@DarkLordDustbunnie]

"or Quake Champions" that one hurt

[@JerikoAsmodeus]

Dude, the SG plug right at the end... yep

[@adamb306]

Dark Cloud 2 eh? I see my sub to this patrician channel was not wasted.

[@Skalatsosse]

Holy shit, yesterday I commented on your history of RPGs video wondering if you'll also include strategy games with RPG elements like Warcraft 3 and Shattered Galaxy and then I watch this and you actually know the game, that's insane to me. That game really deserves a revival or a remake (preferably with the original graphics in HD). Too bad the only current project of that nature seems to be a one person passion project by somebody who has too little free time

[@ode7686]

ur content is so interesting subbed

[@Mrjoehammer]

I would be willing to bet Seer played a Glorious Warrior in Wow... or a Dirty Warlock.

[@seer6251]

You got it! Literally the two classes I played the most. I had a rogue or two thrown in there as well, anything but a healer lol

[@forwenein2669]

Don't you dare call Capybara Spa "nothing in particular"!! 😠🤬

[@peterpan4038]

I fully agree: the percieved epidemic of "dead" games is annoying the shit out of me. The only games i consider "dead" are those that can't be played anymore. Modern multiplayer games that depend on working online matchmaking and perfectly updated clients are more vulnerable in this sense. At the same time we have a bazzilion games that aren't vulnerable to those two factors. "Updates" and a lack of players can turn a working game into a corpse, but even in this regard: the internet stews up WAY to much drama. Lets stick to the Overwatch example: Did it lose a whole bunch of players? => Yes. Has it kept plenty to fill up lobbies for players with more or less average skill levels? => Yes. Was it "updated to death"? => Not really, it suffered more from a lack of updates. Something that hits streamers 10 times harder than casual players, and streamers influence the mood in a games community, a lot. => Imho updates didn't "kill the game". Big MMOs like WoW can die, at least on paper. But a frickin diamond plated golden cashcow that poops out solid gold bars like WoW only dies after it's stops printing money. And lets be honest here: even the WoW of 2022 is printing money, less than a few years ago, but the printing hasn't stopped. The day the game stops printing money AB will stop further development aka reduce the costs to run the money printer and keep the server up for another 10+ years... printing decent piles of money with close to zero efford.

[@kendog0013]

Hit the nail on the head with streamers influencing a community - buddy of mine always talks about how the true 'downfall' of modern day games (mainly multiplayer but does happen in single player games) started with twitch - and I cant agree more with both of you - i believe they fully contribute to the dead fallacy of most AAA or 'popular' games too with their (usually arrogant) feedback.

[@zalgradis6269]

God the Secret of Mana OST is amazing

[@waltersims838]

used to flick channel when my prio 1 streamer would leave his regular game to play amongus with subscribers in 2019; needless to say the past few years have been a waking nightmare for me.

[@MisterMoray]

Tried to push the like a number of times on this one. I can only push it once, though.

[@SkateboardCaes]

Yoooo Seer I hope all is well! 🤙

[@Ronbotnik]

my day has improved seeing the new chad Seer avatar

[@chJohnJobs]

you fool, you forgot to account for ad blockers. great video btw

[@Demilich23]

chess for the board of wood got me smiling 2 seconds into the video

[@ketaminewarrior]

Remember tribes ascend? Shazbowl? Still hurts.

[@YouaNumbahOneRacist]

Well well, look who's got a _faaaaancy_ new channel avatar.

[@SheolAbaddonus666]

Single player games can't die. Online multiplayer games can in a few ways, but mainly because they require you to play with other people and be online. I don't play multiplayer games because I don't want to rely on others to have a good time.

[@Funkyent]

I love this "Chenel"

[@Joker22593]

Is that music (a remix) from Uncharted Waters 2: New Horizons? Our Music/Game taste continues to converge!

[@corexmaily]

Weird observation but I'll point it out nontheless. I actually skipped this video in my feed at first because the thumbnail was so different than your usual style (bold text with a central character/image) and only noticed it was by you a day later when scrolling through my subs.

[@sassymcgees]

I love the fact you made this video. I hate this terminology and idea and anything related like for instance 'wow killer'. Not because Oh no my beautiful game is threated by a murderer of games but more so the weight and pressure it places on any game that really i just want to enjoy. Be it the game that is the murderer, the dead, the dying, or the alive. I just play game cause game is good.

[@YishaiBarr]

I agree with this. The thing about TF2 is despite the game not being dead and people saying it was dead just because some idiots said so, The beginning of Meet Your Match made the game unplayable. It didn't kill it, because Valve fixed the problem. But now, the game is near dead, and that's despite the massive player base it still has, because it's unplayable. The bots that aren't being removed from the game make it so, and the only thing keeping the game up is motivation to keep it alive within the player base itself to extents I don't believe exists anywhere else. Scraping whatever is still playable.

[@sowasism]

Funny as always.

[@personaslates]

Shout out to the fellow old heads who also had Sega Channel growing up.

[@newerest1]

my definition of a dead game is one where you cannot match up in a multiplayer game. either the online service itself is gone or there is just literally no one else that wants to play. that is the only way for a game to die, provided it still is even possible to play. I still play old hl1 mods occasionally and while some might say something like cs1.6 is dead, man, they don't know what dead is compared to something like the specialists.

[@darkranger116]

Alright, i see your point. At the same time, Last Oasis though.. I feel like that one is ACTUALLY dead. Like, the patient's heart beat is TECHNIALLY still beating on the plug, but thats it.

[@execbb9939]

This reminds how many youtubers were riding the New Word hype then people got overexposed to it and eventually lost interest. Now its the same for Lost Ark. Then its Elden Ring. Back in the days there werent so many guides and tips to Reach Endgame on day 1. You are practically learning how to skip the game and the fun its intedended to provide.

[@_Tomon]

*Cries in Evolve* Game is dead when it's shut down and can no longer be played. Hence offline singleplayer games are immortal! At least till we transcendence this plain of physical existence... ...and I can still see some sort of energy playing Mario for fun :-D

[@ike3558]

I think the problem is that people often overuse the present progressive when they really mean to use the first future tense. When people say 'a game is dying' they mean 'this game game will die' which has the all so important and relatable implication 'this game *should* die'

[@alfonsomural4792]

Rip Loadou, you were a great game.

[@FanteBear]

Just out of curiosity... is that a Binding of Isaac font you're using in your videos? Is this a foreshadow for something related to that game? Because I'd be a-ok with that.

[@thebiggestcheeseong]

Good video

[@Hyperion856]

The Ded gaem meme I first saw was for SC2 in about 2012. People would be spamming that shit all over because "LoL has more players" really annoying.

[@SonySteals]

As always 👌👌👌

[@Oleg-px3us]

Capybara Spa review when?

[@DavianLicanius]

I KNEW Heroes of the Storm was still alive and kicking!

[@justagamer1160]

keep making stuff

[@ObsidianStriker]

I ALSO miss shattered galaxy

[@FantaKuatamongus]

Amogus when the impostor is sus

[@munithekid3496]

the transitions tho

[@pitecusH]

Must be hilarious to get drunk with you on a warm august night and start getting philosophical.

[@bofygaming9672]

Know anything about gearbox title called battleborn ?!?!?

[@AxeMain]

I don't agree that saying a game is dead is to grief and criticize. Soul Calibur is my favorite fighting game series, but I say SC6 is dead because I can't find matches, and the fighting game community has moved on to different games. I love the game, but I gotta be honest and say it's pretty much dead.

[@Jackpkmn]

I've found typically that a game that's 'dying' is more like 'at risk' than actually dying. Like world of warcraft, they've turned it around before. At least i'm crossing my fingers hoping they turn it around this time because i don't wanna see it actually die. The most at risk game i've ever seen tho is EVE Online, always been perpetually kind of niche and on the edge. It's devs now threatening it with P2W microtransactions in a PVP game. I also hope it doesn't actually die.

[@vintagecardboardusa]

What game is at 8:08. someone please tell me.

[@NeoBoneGirl]

The Fighting Game Community always has big drama over steamcharts this and dead game that but I don't think anyone has been able to sum up my position as succinctly as this video. As long as there is another person willing to play the game with me, it can't be dead, by definition.

[@tacky4237]

i'd call old league of legends dead, what i mean by that is that the original iteration of the game, (think wow classic by comparison) has been changed so dramatically it's unrecognizable from what it was.

[@coreysayre1376]

This has always been a pet peeve of mine and while I get the sentiment behind the players promoting this notion it really is just them trying to convince themselves to move on from one game to another. Or just trolls looking to provoke those they cannot otherwise best through actually playing the game.

[@therebelofchaos1674]

It's always been a way for players to say "dude you're STILL having fun with that game? QUIT HAVING FUN and INSTEAD have fun with this OTHER thing you might not like!"...just annoying. I have played Diablo 2, for example, since I was 7 years old (I am 27 now) and will continue to play it because I have fun with it.

[@h3adcrabbio]

is Capybara Spa good tho

[@LonestarNomad_]

Blizzard devs - ayo wtf

[@krau6000]

RIP Battlerite. Not truly dead. Just very inconvenient to play.

[@DaytonaStreetLights]

Awww Tribes Ascend, a punch to the junk of every Tribes fan. Thanks for Smite, Hi-Rez.

[@XUndergroundRap]

Blizzard DID infact kill the WC3 community with reforged :(

[@tailnowag8753]

I think when people say "dead game" they mean it in like the wonder isn't alive anymore. Like cyberpunk, it was more fun thinking and theorizing what all was going to happen with it than playing it, hence even as a singleplayer game it was dead from the start. If a game was never "alive" (as in very fun and known about) then it can't die due to updates or lack of interest- it's not a corpse to be sad about- it's a rock that was never alive (great metaphor I know). People still get satisfaction out of super mario world's gaming, but maybe not for other games because they can't handle the tropes or gameplay anymore.

[@justagamer1160]

single player games never truely die ,they just get old and forgotten untill someone discovers them back.Kinda same with multiplayer games , if 2 actual people at least are playing the game at any given time then the game isnt dead, its just that nobody plays it or there isnt a game anymore to be played as the servers are down for good in most of the world , it haves happened before where a game becomes available to be played in a few or just one country with like 4 servers.

[@jacob_swaggerz]

What are your favourite games that you can't offically play?

[@seer6251]

I'm a bit beat up over maplestory being so different nowadays. I have investigated private servers, but never found one that clicked. I also really like Quake, and it's a bit harder to find q3 quake live and quake champions matches.

[@piplupfan71]

Gives me Joeseppi vibes and I love it

[@adamcfmacdonald]

RIP Sega Channel’s, Mr.Nutz (1994). Obligatory nutz post.

[@levelsandgear5644]

I PREFER playing a "Dead Game". As an adult, a parent, and someone with other interests, I don't have the time or energy to keep up with metas and constant barrages of new characters, patches, updates or content. I still play Heroes of the Storm. Mind you I play casually, a couple matches every couple of days: Being able to play a game and knowing it's the same experience as 6 months or even a few years ago, is GOOD for me. I don't mind occasional updates, but I don't need a whole new game every few months.

[@williamalongi5097]

2:10 The jellyfish fucks are "turritopsis dohrnii", also known as "immortal jellyfish", and it lives forever because it is capable of regressing back into a sexually immature state after reaching maturity on its own, splitting into a bunch of smaller jellyfish, which then grow and do the same thing, rendering the jellyfish biologically immortal unless you go and hunt down each individual polyp. Thus, it has no maximum lifespan! :D

[@williamalongi5097]

So it's less that the jellyfish actually "lives forever" and more that it just... never reaches death in the cycle of life. It just keeps getting young, and then growing old, splitting into a bunch of polyps and then getting young again. Individuals can and still do die, though.

[@banks3388]

Games can be dead i.e. Abandonware or titles that are no longer available

[@kingcr1mz0n71]

When are you gonna talk about clay fighters? You got tiny as your avatar, but I haven't heard a snowballs about Blue suede goo or some joke about Helga... see I'm bad with words too you're not alone.

[@seer6251]

100k sub special haha

[@kingcr1mz0n71]

@@seer6251 can't wait for it bro-tato.

[@ZafkielDoesStuff]

this video makes me miss Warhammer 40k: Eternal Crusade. It truly is dead, since it's unplayable and all attempts at making a private server have failed because Behavior Interactive is canadian (and thus will not release the source code for a game they didn't do anything with for like four years)

[@kokofaser]

You know what game can truley be called dead? That wierd dead island 3 party pvpve moba that was pretty fun for a week or so before the servers shut down.

[@seer6251]

Yeah that sounds fairly dead to me lol. There's a good number of those weird games that drop and then immediately shut down. I don't get it personally.

[@kokofaser]

@@seer6251 yeah neither do i. Queue times where for sure shorter than overwatch ranked at 8 pm 😂

[@dullxdaggers]

si raw

[@Forty2de]

there are still like 100+ players on Unreal Tournament 2004 at any hour of the day or night. Some would say that that's not enough and the game is dead, but why am I then having fun on a server with other people? To me it'd only be dead if there was no one to play with. What you can say is that the hype and publicity for the game has died. The trend has died. But not the game.

[@tmoolah3457]

Man Shattered Galaxy used to be my shit lol

[@Blacksunstoneful]

It's mostly because studios crank out games fairly often lol if you combine fear of missing out with a climbing inflation of titles being released anything from yesteryear is quote unquote dying. It doesn't mean it's true you just have a bunch of people that consume media all day long buy into hype and treat titles like flavor of the month. You add the same with speed running communities and everything else that burns through the game faster than they can release content and that's how people begin to think

[@funkyfish1026]

Lawl, ur gaem ded, meanwhile my wildstar is a aliving. Ur gaem ball/10 gg no re Gud vid, me like, ook