The Son: Begotten, Not Made

What does it mean when John 3:16 says that Jesus is God's only begotten (monogenēs) son? How does this shape our theology of the Trinity? Dr. Pitre discusses this when looking at John 3:16 and 2 Corinthians 3:11-13.
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[@annekamau8031]

I thank God that am a Catholic. It brings me great joy. I feel at home, embraced by all the love, graces, and perfect ever ending learning of Gods mysteries. It’s beautiful!

[@ireneirene9834]

Hata wewe uko huku...😂

[@SarmadLach]

So many people teach heresy when trying to explain the Triune God but dr Brant nailed it

[@GamingforNostalgiaForFun]

He's saying wat iam saying but I know the scriptures better then him u can to just ask god be Spirit lead by the holy spirit

[@Geronimo_Jehoshaphat]

My issue is only that it can suppose a limiation to the aspects availible to an unfathomably infinite God.

[@DarkAngel-cj6sx]

​@@GamingforNostalgiaForFun where did you see in the Bible or church fathers competing about who knows better? I don't think you are a catholic

[@mariannehedstrom324]

Thank you! I'm a Protestant but this is probably the best explanation of the Trinity I've heard.

[@michaelharrington6698]

Everything good and orthodox in Christianity comes from the Catholic Church - former protestant here

[@markwildt5728]

This is probably one of the worst explanations I've heard of the Trinity yet. All explanations of the Trinity are convoluted and confusing because it's not scriptural and takes layers of mental gymnastics and double think to make it work, but this guy literally just straight contradicts himself and reality. He starts by saying Jesus is the only Begotten Son, then turns immediately around and says Begotten doesn't mean Begotten. It some how means unbegotten or eternally begotten, which contradicts the rest of the Scripture. God says in many verses, "You are My Son, today I have Begotten you." This would indicate He wasn't eternally Begotten, but was Begotten on a specific day. It's repeated time and time again. Proverbs 8, the entire chapter is Yeshua speaking about creation and His own beginning. It's spelled out as plain as day. The Trinity is a false doctrine easily refutable by scripture.

[@markwildt5728]

​@@michaelharrington6698 that is the exact opposite of the truth. Everything bastardized and twisted in Christian comes from the Catholic Church - Former non denominational cultist here... ALL denominations and organizations have twisted Scripture to some degree, but none quite as much as the Great whore of Babylon, the Catholic Church.

[@AshtonSWilson]

@@markwildt5728look at Heb 1:8. That citation is specifically referring to begetting of the Son as His entrance into flesh, not His creation. In addition, Hebrews 1 also stated that the Son is worshipped by the angels (6), is God and has an everlasting kingdom (8-9), and is the everlasting Creator of all things (10). You might not like or fully understand the Trinitarianism, but it is IMPOSSIBLE to avoid if you read the Bible honestly.

[@markwildt5728]

@@AshtonSWilson You couldn't be more wrong. Hebrews 1:8 isn't referencing anything of the sort. Back up just 3 verses to Heb 1:5, where the author asks "...to which of the angels did God say at any time, You are my Son, this day I have given you being? or, I will be his Father, and he will be my Son? This is an obvious reference to the Son, and not His incarnation into the flesh. It's a direct call back to Psalm 2:7 (Old Testament btw) where the Father says "I will declare the decree: The LORD (YHVH) has said to Me, 'You are My Son, Today I have Begotten You." This is clearly referring to The Son's origins or beginnings long before his earthly incarnation. The relationship of Father and Son has always been there from the beginning, which is only possible if the Son was Begotten, as it says in Proverbs 8:22-31... The Son is literally talking here about His beginning. Pro 8:22 "The LORD (YHVH) PROCURED me at the Beginning of His Way, before His words of old. (23) I have been ESTABLISHED from everlasting, from the beginning, before there was ever an earth. (24) When there were no depths I was BROUGHT FORTH... (25) Before the mountains were settled, Before the hills, I was BROUGHT FORTH. So on and so forth, where Procured, Established and Brought Forth all mean Begotten or Born, and not in His Earthly flesh state, but before the Creation. Rev and Col both call him the FIRSTBORN over ALL creation, which is what Jesus meant when He said "Before Abraham was, I am." That's not a capital I AM such as in Exodus where God the Father says to Moses I Am That I Am, (which is actually just the meaning of His name YHVH). The word Jesus used was the Greek word 'eimi' which simply means to exist. So Jesus wasn't claiming to be God, He was simply alluding to His creation and existence before creation. Jesus says "The Father is Greater than I"... He says He didn't come to do His will, but the Will of His Father... He calls the Father "My Father and your Father, My God and your God..." I find it very Ironic about your statement about not being able to avoid the trinity if you just read scripture honestly, because if you simply read scripture honestly, there's no possible way to anyone would conclude a trinitarian God. It's simply not possible. You can only draw that conclusion by being taught that, using cherry picked verses out of context that don't mean what you've been told they mean.... You might not like it or understand it, but the trinity is simply not biblical and actually stems from paganistic 3 in one god ideology... It's actually quite blasphemous.

[@robertsullivan4773]

Wow I'm 74 and I finally got it. You finally tied it all together. Now for me God the Son and the Holy Spirit are one and have always been one.

[@39knights]

You would really love this talk by Fr. Wolfe titled "The Trinity & the Two Natures of Jesus". kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYXQqZxqdpt5fsU

[@cbooth151]

Guess what? There is no Scriptural "God the Son"? He doesn't exist.

[@lonelyberg1316]

😁

[@majesticrainmaker1460]

@@cbooth151 Guess what someone haven't read Matthew 14:33

[@cbooth151]

@@majesticrainmaker1460 What do you mean?

[@paulmiller3469]

I like that 'what' and 'who' breakdown. As a catechist, I intend to use that next year. Like you said, we can't fully grasp this mystery (or it wouldn't be called a mystery), but we ought to try to grasp it as far as we are capable.

[@39knights]

Hey fellow catechist. You would really love this talk by Fr. Wolfe titled "The Trinity & the Two Natures of Jesus". Would be an excellent addition to this talk by Dr. Pitre. I would recommend anything by Fr. Wolfe.

[@humblejoes3263]

Jesus was the first trinity denier. Read the red words in the gospels. Only Jesus’s words were promised to outlast heaven and earth. Mat 24:35; Mark 13:31; Luke 21:33. You can’t fully grasp the “mystery” because its a lie. Those who teach the “mystery” as if they understand it have made themselves the wizards of Oz, the self appointed conduits to everlasting life. Philthy Pharisees all.

[@paulmiller3469]

@@humblejoes3263 I think you may be misreading those verses. For instance, take the Matthew citation. Jesus doesn't say His words will be the only thing that doesn't pass away. He's just saying they will last longer than heaven and earth. To read that the way you seem to be reading it is to say the Eternal Father is mortal, etc, (not to mention yourself)..

[@paulmiller3469]

@@humblejoes3263 Also, remember in that same gospel Jesus instructed His apostles to baptize all the nations in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

[@humblejoes3263]

@@paulmiller3469 Confusion is not of God or Jesus. The trinity doctrine is of man and as one would expect it is the essence of biblical confusion. Dispose of its poison and read the red words for yourself. Never mind the mountain of minutiae one can misconstrue and misinterpret in the Bible. Only Jesus’s words hold the highest authority. Only His words were promised to outlast heaven and earth. Mat 24:35; Mark 13:31; Luke 21:33. This fact, this promise, may prove to be The Finest Miracle. “Outlast”means for the past 2000 years through all the many evil or well intentioned translations Only Jesus’s words remain as He intended! Even if, some Old or New Testament authors SEEM to contradict Jesus’s simple words how could ANYONE possibly be so blind, except intentionally, as to forget who is THE HIGHEST AUTHORITY! Every biblical author’s job is to bring you to the words of Jesus. And Jesus’s job is to bring you to The Father and The Kingdom of heaven. The Way, The Truth and The Life. Never let anyone’s words contradict Jesus. John seems to contradict John when the confounding trinity doctrine is in play. Paul seems to contradict Paul on the question of the trinity. John is not my savior and Paul is not my savior. I know whose side to be on when there are contradictions. Im on the side of The Highest Authority. Yes of course besides The Father Himself but Jesus never contradicts The Father and The Father has never contradicted Jesus. This is the context of John 10:30 when Jesus said “I and The Father are one”! That we cannot be divided by the context of our teachings. Then in John 17:11 Jesus prays to the Father for the lives and successful mission of His apostles, “And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one.” Holy smokes trinitarian are we to be a part of this many in one god as well? Read my other entries in these comments where Jesus’s words are clear and simple.

[@user-gl9jd3ih8h]

Goodness Dr Pitre. That was a complicated piece of theology that you explained in about 10 minutes. WOW! Hats off to you. Your professors would be proud of you. Thank you.

[@bthongni55]

Thank Dr Pitre. You have made me grasp the basics of the Trinity.

[@angelicapearlderecho1280]

Thank you Dr. Pitre and for the whole crew of Catholic Production. May God bless you all and stay safe 😊😊😊

[@katieli8849]

Excellent as usual dr Pitre! 👍

[@josephinamaljar9416]

As a life long Catholic I've learned something new today! Thank you! God bless you!

[@ISAiah.42]

Learn something else new, Jesus was the one who said John 3:16. He was referring to the Holy Spirit, the Son of Man, who is coming in our time. Jesus did NOT say "believe in me" here, He also didn't say "believe I died in the cross for your sins" in this passage

[@genevieveis2838]

Josephine maljar...me too ...I will die Catholic...just as it should be...Ave Maria...⚜️🥀🙏

[@ISAiah.42]

@@genevieveis2838 Revelation 13:14 (NLT) 14 And with all the miracles he was allowed to perform on behalf of the first beast, *he DECEIVED all the people* who belong to this world. He ordered the people to make a *GREAT STATUE of the first BEAST, WHO WAS FATALLY WOUNDED AND THEN CAME BACK TO LIFE* The cross is the mark of the beast, the beast that was fatally wounded and came back to life. (Died and Resurected) They place the cross (mark of the beast) in your forehead on Ash Wednesday and they perform the cross with their right hands The Spanish Inquisition killed you if you didn't accept the Mark of this Beast, you cannot buy or sell if you are dead. The false prophet who is the face of Christianity, is a model after the Pope's son, Cesare Borgia. You were warned not to worship this man as a god in these end times. So what statue did they build of a false god that died and resurected? What other man is being worshipped as god today? What other god, that has died and resurrected, was made into a statue? Leave Christianity it is a man and proven devil worshiping cult. Worship Allah (God Almighty) the Creator of Heaven and Earth Only. This Reveals 666 The Beast of Revelation: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXmcmKeqfLiSmKc kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2i0ZaSKj6d1o5Y (2 mins)

[@39knights]

@@ISAiah.42 It was great signs and wonders, not miracles. A big difference. '...And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges....' Just because you think two things are connected does not mean they really are. Anybody can conflate two separate things and make them appear ill-intended. You are deceiving by suggestion. I like the one from the Micheal Rood ministries where he tries to make it look like Catholics have absorbed ancient Dogon Worship. His proof was look at modern day Bishop Miters (the big hat they wear) and how it resembles a fish-head from side on; thus they must be worshipping the ancient fish-god. This will fool many once the suggestion is placed in their head (I can think of a garden long ago where this same tactic was used; hmmmm). Like those websites with the funny images captioned 'once you see it you can't unsee it'. In reality the Miter is shaped to resemble the tongues of Fire which descended on the Apostles at Pentecost (as Catholic Bishops are the modern day Apostles). Most of what you said can be applied to the 40,000 plus sects of Apostasized Catholics; but it has nothing to do with the True Catholic Faith. Go try your luck with them. That should keep you busy for awhile.

[@ISAiah.42]

@@39knights No ....aaaalllll Christians worship the Beast of Revelations.

[@roderickaverilla1784]

I am proud Catholic

[@GravInducedSleepTrac]

Thank you Dr Pitre you are so wonderful at explaining our faith & how it ALL TIES TO the BIBLE OLD & NEW TESTAMENT. :) GOD BLESS

[@tesschavit3009]

This is informative for our faith, thank you Sir.

[@psdesign1]

thank you Dr. Pitre. succinct and short !!!

[@John-115]

God bless you all!

[@reemsuekar8112]

Amen, thank you Dr Pitre.

[@anthonyiannone8766]

Great Dr. Pitre....as always..Thank you..God Bless

[@fernandorios7108]

Beautiful! you are such a great teacher of the faith. It's very easy to understand you, and GOD has given you that gift. Thank you

[@genevieveis2838]

Dr. Pitre...you are getting to "certain folk"...keep up the good work... Ave Maria...⚜️🥀🙏

[@Msc762]

Thanks again.

[@Rome33AD]

Wonderful video very very well explained!

[@PosenPostPhotoBooth]

Amen praise be to God

[@benita8768]

Loved it!!!🥰😇

[@CARS63]

Thank you. 🙂

[@frankly.speaking]

Thank you Dr. Pitre.....I learned something new today from you on the trinity... Nature & Person, What & Who. I somehow, don't like defining the trinity through analogies

[@MLeoM]

Dr. Pitre: I can give you one video for Trinity (immediately says) actually a whole series 😁We know.... 😊 We would love it...

[@leonoradompor8706]

Jesus and me is one, Jesus is embodied in my whole being now !

[@romelmedallo4725]

Thanks be to the Holy Spirit for giving Dr. Brant Pitre the knowledge and understanding of the Holy Scripture interpretation. It's very important to know the basic of the Holy Trinity in order to profess our faith more fully. We can never understand the concept of a "God in three persons" because it is ought not to be understood or comprehend by the human mind. It's a mystery and shall remain a mystery.

[@masto2898]

Monarchy of the Father helps a lot when trying to understand Trinity Father is the source of the divine nature Son posseses the divine nature because He is eternally begotten of the Father And the Holy Spirit posseses the divine nature because He proceeds from the Father and the Son

[@derek3995]

As always, I found in the Gospels the answer to the question of how I will receive the crown of eternal life with the Father. It is in the Gospel of St John, chapter 5, verse 24, where Jesus said to those who would listen that: 'I tell you the truth, whoever hears my words and believes Him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.' A simple yet profound Gospel Truth.

[@genevieveis2838]

As always...boring

[@FrankLee-gq8yc]

Jesus definitely had a beginning: KJV Rev3:14 "These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;" He is the only begotten son because as the scriptures tell us, once he was created, God made all things through him. Heb1:2"...by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" Imagine the love required on God's part to send his "only begotten", the one he had spent billions of years with, to die for sinful humans. What a heart rendering scripture John3:16 is. Amazing.

[@richyhz8449]

*God* *the* *Father:* *The* *Power* *of* *the* *Blessed* *Trinity* *is* *beyond* *the* *interference* *of* *man* Wednesday, June 11th, 2014, 12:25 My dearest daughter, *My* *Desire* *is* *that* *each* *one* *of* *you* *respond* *to* *the* *Call* *of* *the* *Most* *Holy* *Trinity* *at* *this* *time.* The Power of the Blessed Trinity is beyond the interference of man and by the Grace of My Love, I reach out to humanity to declare the Truth. *Be* *not* *afraid* *of* *your* *Father,* *for* *I* *Am* *yours* *and* *you* *are* *Mine.* *All* *Power* *is* *in* *My* *Hands* *and* *I* *make* *great* *exceptions* *in* *order* *to* *unite* *the* *world.* Many souls are indifferent to Me. They shun Me, deny My Existence and insult My Divinity by placing false gods, made of molten gold, before Me. All that is made of clay will be replaced by a renewed existence. Nothing on this Earth is eternal. Everything turns back into dust. All that is eternal is not of your world. I created man in My Likeness. I blew forth life and you were given breath and it is I Who will take it away. All begins and ends with Me and no man can or will dictate how I will unite My children. That task is Mine - not yours. *My* *Plans* *to* *salvage* *souls* *-* *the* *good,* *the* *bad* *and* *the* *wretched,* *will* *not* *be* *destroyed.* Damaged, perhaps, but never ruined, for all that I say will be and all that I desire will come to pass. I know each of you, as you were born out of My Love. Whatever your circumstances, they evolved because of Divine Providence and there is a reason for everything. Those of you who do not know Me - you are also Mine, for I created you. You did not evolve from the species. To believe that, is to deceive yourself and serves only as a means, planted by the deceiver in your hearts, to deny Me. By denying Me, your Eternal Father, you deny Eternal Salvation. And by denying the Truth of My Existence, you will separate yourself from an existence of eternal glory. All Mercy is Mine. I lavish My Mercy on those whose hearts are pure; who have love in their souls because they have allowed Me to enter into them. *The* *main* *obstacle* *to* *receiving* *Eternal* *Life* *is* *the* *pride* *of* *humanity.* Pride is the single biggest barrier to uniting yourself to Me. You may know Me, through My Son; understand My Word, but you do not practice what you have been taught. *Love* *comes* *from* *Me.* *When* *there* *is* *pride* *in* *the* *soul,* *love* *dies* *within* *it* *and* *is* *replaced* *with* *hatred.* *Pride* *comes* *from* *Satan* *and* *it* *is* *abhorrent* *to* *Me,* *just* *as* *it* *is* *distressing.* Let Me love you by accepting My Word and the Gifts I gave the world through the biggest Sacrifice of My Son’s death on the Cross. I gave you life. I gave you Myself, through the Manifestation of My Son. I lowered Myself, in humility before you, in order to defeat the sin of pride. I taught you through the prophets. I gave you the Gift of free will but you abused it to satisfy your own lusts and desires. *The* *Gift* *of* *free* *will* *has* *a* *dual* *purpose* *-* *to* *give* *you* *the* *freedom* *to* *choose,* *so* *that* *you* *do* *not* *come* *to* *Me* *out* *of* *fear,* *but* *out* *of* *love* *and* *to* *defeat* *the* *power* *of* *the* *devil.* It is your free will that Satan covets most of all and he will use every deceit to get you to hand it over to him. When souls do this, through the sin of pride, new age practices and the occult, they become enslaved by the evil one. He will then manifest, within the souls who hand him over their free will, every single one of his traits. You will know them by their behaviour. But *the* *one* *sign* *that* *their* *free* *will* *has* *been* *given* *to* *the* *evil* *one* *is* *when* *these* *souls* *constantly* *seek* *to* *publicly* *mock* *My Son,* *Jesus* *Christ,* *and* *His* *Mother,* *the* *Immaculate* *Virgin* *Mary,* *Mother* *of* *the* *World.* *Satan* *despises* *both* *of* *them.* If, instead, you use the free will I gave you, for the good of your soul and to love one another, this is a powerful means by which to dilute the power of Satan. But, *it* *is* *those* *souls* *who* *give* *to* *Me,* *through* *My* *Son,* *Jesus* *Christ,* *the* *gift* *of* *their* *free* *will,* *that* *give* *the* *most* *powerful* *gift* *of* *all.* *It* *will* *be* *through* *these* *souls* *that* *I* *will* *defeat* *the* *evil* *one* *and* *the* *means* *by* *which* *I* *can* *save* *the* *souls* *of* *those* *who* *have* *completely* *separated* *themselves* *from* *Me.* That is My Promise. I will save the souls of even the most hopeless cases because of the sacrifices of those who give Me this gift of their free will, through My Son, Jesus Christ. Your Eternal Father, God the Most High Note: This is a paragraph of the reading: 《The Book of Truth》 You can find The Book of Truth here: www.jesushabla.org/book-of-truth This Book was foretold in the Bible: Daniel 10, 21 and Revelation 5, 1-9 *μαραναθα*

[@praveenUFO]

1st John 5..7 Three testify in heaven, Father,Word, Holy spirit...and they are ONE.. Before abraham was born JESUS said IAM

[@arnoldmaglalang5522]

Baptism of Jesus there was Voice from Heaven and appearance of dove. Trinity. And Jesus instruction to apostles and baptised them in the name of the father son holy spirit. In genesis God and Holy Spirit Hovering on water. Jesus spirit is also the Holy Spirit. Gods descriptive names in old testament YHWH the I am who I am. Elohim is Creator. And Adonai is Lord..Jesus is Lord. In book of Psalms 91 Almighty God. And Psalm 23 The Lord is my shepherd. Jesus is Lord and Shepherd..Jesus and Holy Spirit are co creator.

[@arnoldmaglalang5522]

God said in Genesis Let us make man of OUR IMAGE. God the father is with Jesus and Holy Spirit. LET US and OUR IMAGE is plural.

[@operanonverba4781]

John 14..if you've seen me, you've seen the Father...

[@SonOfMan315]

Eye black is the term I think you were looking for ;)

[@avb20540]

This is awesome!! Thanks for this great video! I'm a striving Catholic and I just had a quick question (to anyone who wants to answer) regarding the possibility of other life in the universe. I am an engineering PhD student and I love science and astrophysics. The universe is so large, that it seems like the probability of other life existing outside of earth is non-negligible. If there are other creatures in the universe who are created in God's "image and likeness" with a soul and destined for eternity in Heaven but don't physically look like human beings, how can we reconcile the existence of these creatures with the fact that Jesus is 100% God and 100% man? Anyone have any potential hypothesis or explanation for this? It makes me wonder if only our earth contains creatures made in God's "image and likeness", or maybe those creatures outside of earth but destined for eternity with God are saved through another means different from what was revealed to us? Just a genuine question that I've been trying to grasp on some nights before I sleep, and I understand there may not be an answer because it wasn't revealed to us humans. Thanks!!

[@markv1974]

Well lets see. As for trinity. One substance three persons. In nature water (h20) can exists in different forms, ice (solid), liquid water, and water vapor. Same substance. As for aliens. We probably need to make a distinction between spiritual likeness and physical likeness. God would not be limited to physical form. But what God gave us is our etnernal soul. Would extra terrestrial life have a souls. Would they have compassion or goodness? Thats what we need to find out. And if Christ came to us, and only to us, then our work is not yet done. We need to evangleize those aliens too.

[@Ekim1740]

what if there are no aliens? until now scientist has not created an artificial dna. the complexity of life that humans cant recreate.

[@daddydaycareky]

Random thoughts: Other beings may be made in the image and likeness of God and they may look different from us. A shadow is a likeness of us, but can have different characteristics. So they could have many different characteristics, but still have similarities to humans. Another possibility, If creatures from another planet look like us, that does not necessarily mean that they have a human soul. Another possibility is that God could have given different revelation to these other species that is different revelation than we received.

[@mosaic.emom1234]

Three Whos in the Trinity, while the Eternal Word is Two 'Whos'? Those five dislikes must've come from Jehovah's witnesses or Muslims

[@leonoradompor8706]

The Spirit and the Bride of Book of Revelation 22:17

[@genevieveis2838]

Baphomet

[@kainosktisis777]

Not by a long shot, dude.

[@dclark6995]

When God left the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross (Matt @ KJV) and he died (John 19:30) His soul and the thief's went to Paradise (Luke 23:43) which was Abraham's bosom (Luke 16:19-31) . Abraham was able to talk to the the rich man who was in torment while Abraham was in paradise with Lazarus. So Christ also could proclaim to those in prison His work of Salvation while He awaited in Paradise for His resurrection three days later. When The Lord Jesus' soul reentered his dead body on the third day and was resurrected to life, He appeared to Mary M. He then told her He was ascending to His God (John 20:17} The two angels at the tomb brought the risen Son of God as the Son of Man before the Ancient of Days where He was eternally begotten and morphed into the God Head (Daniel 7:13,14; Psalm 2:7; Acts 13:33 KJV) Mat @-20 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

[@DaisyAnnabelle65]

Amen🙏

[@SA-gf3th]

Catholicism always , always intrigued me as a muslim. I still visit my school's churchyard

[@bobbydominguez8754]

Amen #SonOfGod

[@GamingforNostalgiaForFun]

Exactlyy friend this is wat iam saying u are Spirit lead God bless alot of this is confused

[@desibiblicalteachings4365]

Like we have flesh, spirit and soul God has son and holy Spirit. His son came to the world.

[@alephtav4254]

Prepare God is Coming back And He is Ready with his Legios of Angels Save more souls.. God Welcomes All those who talk to him and confess what He did and recieve GOD almighty forgiveness and make him to straight your path for his Glory Walk with GOD and He is with You..

[@genekelly8467]

A very difficult concept to understand..I think I understand it ..as best I can.

[@DuraiRaj-xd3nv]

We can not separate WORD from FATHER, We can not separate HOLY SPIRIT from FATHER..

[@judged007james9]

Bibles Psalm 2:7 David is also called the "begotten son" “I will declare the decree: The LORD has said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.

[@kitten77779]

♥️

[@allahhernandez3546]

I am

[@amihanathabagat]

In Thomistic metaphysics, "nature" is the same as "essence" (what something is), as the source of its operations. Why does it do that or act that way? Because it's its nature. I will never tire of repeating, that it looks like, among intelligent creatures, the number of the person is only 1 per substance. But God can have 3--and only 3, according to His revelation--but only 1 substance. Substance, of course, is what "has essence", which is now too complex to fully explain here.

[@alfredhitchcock45]

If he's made, he's a creature If he's not made, he's divine

[@markwildt5728]

That's a false dichotomy. Just because He's created doesn't make Him a creature. He is the Begotten Son of The Father. The image of the invisible God. The Father gave His Son His Fullness. That's far more than just a "creature." Proverbs 8 is literally the origin birth story of The Son. He was created, point blank period.

[@michaelhaywood8262]

Unfortunately reading comments here and on other videos there still seem to be quite a few unitarians around [those who reject the Trinity]. This goes back all the way to Arius, a heretic in the 4th century AD, who denied the Trinity. Modern unitarians [no capital] include the Unitarians [capitalised], the JWs and the Christadelphians. I have read somewhere that at one time the very long Athanasian Creed was read at Mass on Trinity Sunday as it is even more strongly and emphatically Trinitarian than the Nicene Creed. It is named after St Athanasius, who defended the Church against Arius, it is uncertain if he actually wrote it.

[@humblejoes3263]

Actually it was the 4th century when the catholic church was corrupted and the trinity doctrine took hold under the direction of the pagan emperor constantine. After his “unifying” decrees were made law good Catholics commenced murdering so called heretics and their followers for the next 1000 years. Perhaps you should just say sorry.

[@andrewferg8737]

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might" (Deuteronomy 6) God is LORD, LORD, LORD, but is One. Man is heart, soul, and might, but is also one. "And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, Holy, Holy, is the LORD" (Isaiah 6) "and a threefold cord is not quickly broken" (Ecclesiastes 4)

[@sja4954]

Scripture teaches about the only begotten Son of God clearly. Begotten Son of God isn't termed in the biological sense concerning Christ says the scripture. Read the decree of God in Psalm 2:7 which later is taught by the Apostles in Acts 13:33-34 as raised / Resurrected / lifted up. Continue reading verse 35 which says, Thou shalt not suffer thy Holy One to see corruption. In Verse 37 Apostle says whom God raised (Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee) Begotten Son of God is preached by the Apostles, which means the raised Christ. In Verse 38 & 39 through this man (Begotten Son) forgiveness of sins and justification by the Law of Moses is preached. In verses 40 & 41 Apostle is warning the despisers quoting a prophesy (….a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you) not to perish but believe in his begotten Son. In the gospel of John 3:14 Jesus Christ spoke about the only begotten Son of God through the Old Testament prophetic verse. In Verses 3:15, 16 & 18 John established the truth about the only begotten Son of God, which scripture talk’s later Marvelous truth. Muslims / Yahweh Witnesses aren't given by God this Truth. In Psalms 110: 1 & 4 the begotten Son is at the right hand of God which is sworn in as a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek in eternity. The writer of Hebrews in 5: 5 & 6 high lights the begotten Son after the order of Melchisedec. In Hebrews 5:9 & 10 & 11 we read God calling the eternal author and savior as the high priest after the order of Melchizedek, of whom we have many things to say. In Hebrews 5:4 we read that no man taketh this honor unto himself (self-appointed or esteemed). In Hebrews 5:5 Jesus was not made a high priest but the risen Christ (Begotten Son) was glorified after the order of Melchisedec by God. In Hebrews 6: 17 - 20 we read about God’s Immutable counsel unto the heirs by an oath confirmed by two Immutable things. Christ fled for refuge into the veil to lay hold upon the hope set before us as a forerunner. As the begotten Son of God entered within the veil He was made a High Priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. In Hebrews 7 we read about Melchisedec in plenty and in Chapter 8 as well. The Begotten Son links with The King of Zion & The order of Melchisedez. Praise God Hallelujah

[@alfredhitchcock45]

Supernatural mystery

[@c.s.froggis9982]

Look at Galatians definition of adoption. It is not the modern definition. It is the process by which a son and heir comes into his inheritance. Until then, he has no more to call his own than one of the slaves, but now comes to inheritance by the grace of God of eternal life through Jesus Christ.

[@FrancisArief]

I really wonder when Lord Jesus lived as a man, was He really aware of His divinity? I mean all His splendors and majesty in Heaven. Coming down from Heaven to this world must be painful already, yet He came into this world born in stable and died in cross. That is crazy.

[@alefermin]

If you read the Gospel of John, I think you will easily realize He was totally and absolutely aware at all times of His Divinity and Glory, throughout all time and forever and ever. Amen.

[@suzanneyoung6273]

FrancisArief That is what LOVE is. God so loved the world, that He sent His only begotten Son to die for our sins.

[@lorraineklimek1677]

I would also draw your attention to the occasion of the transfiguration when Jesus chose to reveal his glory for a brief time to his three chosen Apostles.

[@JordonHill]

Can anyone explain how this fits in with Isreal being God’s only begotten son?; Exodus 4:22 Then say to Pharaoh, 'This is what the LORD says: Israel is my firstborn son’

[@39knights]

I'll take a stab at it. There are 'types' presented in the OT which reveal only snippets of God's Plan for humanity as they occur. You can see how Issaac, Moses, Joshua, David were all 'types' of Jesus, revealing something of His future actions in preparation for understanding.The sameway we lay up foundations for learning in kindergarten; that was the OT for NT times. 'Firstborn" is a title in Jewish society; not a numbering of children from the womb. A male child would still be called 'firstborn' even if he was an only child (as in the case of Jesus). It carries with it both responsibilities and privileges. Israel as an identifiable group of people were chosen to be Holy (clean up their own act), have a special relationship with God (Direct Presence of God in the Ark), to be perfectly Obedient (via the Law), to Atone for the sins of the Nations about them (which is why they sacrificed 70 Bulls for the 70 Nations). St. Paul says the OT was simply a shadow of what was to come. In God choosing Israel; we can see how they foreshadowed what we should see when God's Son, Jesus, would appear in history. I don't think you will always find a direct one to one relationship with each of God's actions in the OT writings. After all, total Revelation was not completed until the last writer of the NT put his pen down. As the 'begotteness' of Jesus is only revealed in the NT; I'm not really sure how far you can stretch the 'firstborn' title of Israel with the eventual revelation that Jesus was not only God's true 'firstborn' but also His Only Begotten Son.

[@abelmendoza2236]

do you speak Spanish?

[@diezel516]

So how is that any different then being born don't understand the significance please explain just means he was born of God since God created all of us what we all want of God?

[@csabraxas]

When Jesus died on the cross. Did that mean that God ceased to exist? Since a part of His nature was destroyed.

[@keytonbush3925]

Death is the separation of the soul from the body, not the cessation of existence. When Christ dies, He, being God, dies in His humanity. Thus, His human soul and body are separated. However, He, both as God and as man, never ceases to exist. He remains incarnate in both His body and soul, because the nature of man is to be body and soul. In the same way, when we die we are separated from our bodies, but will be reunited with our bodies in the resurrection.

[@alfredhitchcock45]

One what 3 who's

[@allanlindsay8369]

Brilliant. AVE MARIA!

[@dscottplays4700]

I would have to say the biggest problem with your video, aside from a verse out of context I noticed, would be Galatians 4:4, which literally says the Son was “made of a woman, made under the law.” I would say there’s a really good argument for the Son not being “eternally begotten”, even if you don’t agree with it.

[@amagarajerome1800]

But in Genesis God says let's make man in ....so it's obvious he speaks of the Trinity not the Angels as some think since Angels are a creation and couldn't indeed be creators...

[@amagarajerome1800]

That's son being made of a woman is Christ taking on a human form and being born of Mother Mary ...that can't be so hard to understand...

[@dscottplays4700]

@@amagarajerome1800 the problem with both of your arguments is that they rely entirely on trinitarian eisegesis. Galatians 4:4 doesn’t say that the Son took on human form, it says that the Son was made of a woman under the law. You’d have to force your doctrine into that verse. Genesis 1:26 says us and our, but if you were being consistent in your logic, then the next verse would show that one person made man, because it uses singular pronouns. It refutes any notion of a trinity found in verse 26. I don’t pretend to know who God was speaking to, but whoever it was, its not another member of the trinity.

[@SalvarezP]

What are your thoughts on John 1:18 where it says "the only begotten god" when referring to Jesus? Is Jesus a god? Jogn 1:1 says so. Why is Jesus a god? Is he a false god? Because God certainly did not create another god. Satan was created by god and he is called a god. But does that make him a false or a true god? Because there is only one True God🤔

[@dscottplays4700]

@@SalvarezP first off, the version of John 1:18 has been under a lot of textual criticism. To it's credit, it's the oldest manuscript for that verse, but oldest doesn't mean most accurate. There's a stronger case for the verse to be only begotten Son, rather then only begotten God. Look into it! Also, who was the Word in John 1:1?

[@TheRootedWord]

10:23 you have to give this more thought of how to explain it, because this fails. In terms of humans bound by space-time (extension-duration) the person defines another individual out of the nature of human. Nature is not a category. The main problem with your explanation is you treat "God" like a category, rather than nature. You use the word "nature", but you describe it as a category, like "human". The reason we cannot get our heads around it is not because of the nature-person distinction. It is because of the Creator-creature distinction. The Creator is not part of the creation, nor is he limited by the creation. However, the creature is defined by the very fact that he is limited by the creation in which he is bound. Therefore, since there is no comparable extension nor duration to God where He is, there is no parallel in our language to describe this missing extension and duration. 3 in 1 is not a problem for Him outside of creation, but for us it is impossible. It is forbidden by how God the Creator made the creation, of which we are a part. I hope this helps set you in a good direction for explaining it. Another note to remember is that we are not required to grasp it and master it. We are required to be persuaded of it and believe it. If we grasp it and master it we will not obey any better than before, and likely worse, sitting in judgment over the nature of God. However, if we are persuaded and believe it, then biblical believe always leads to obedience. And that is by what God will judge us.

[@Virulantt]

I am a Christian and appreciate the explanation. However, applying the same analogy of the "what" and "who" to humans you could say that all humans are one because they are of the same nature. Did I completely misunderstand the point?

[@dscottplays4700]

I think the example of the “what” and the “who” falls apart when you consider how many times the triune God, who is suppose to be known as a “what”, is referenced with personal pronouns. If something is called a He/Him, then it’s just as much a “who” as the next person.

[@alfredhitchcock45]

Only Begotten Son

[@leonoradompor8706]

I am the Seat of Wisdom !

[@genevieveis2838]

Your drunk

[@pacificoceania5828]

I do really believe in trinity . The word trinity exist . From old testament on genesis God said "let us create a man like our image and likeness After Adam and Eve eating from forbidden tree God said "let's man like us knowing good and bad . When people were building tower of Babel to find God , God said let us go down to confuse their language so they can't continue of what they are doing . My question who is us here God refering ? The word us which God used is plural term . He refers to more than one person. In the new testament John wrote by quoting Jesus Christ said : I and my Father are one . I am from God now I am here . another chapter Jesus said to his disciples Go to the world baptise People in the name of the Father , Son and Holly spirit. Those words are really convincing me to believe in trinity. That's why I become Christian.

[@genevieveis2838]

Pro?

[@pacificoceania5828]

@@genevieveis2838 write something clear mate.

[@tomechaallen1226]

Us was not a definitive or specified number of three. Read it again.

[@tomechaallen1226]

Christ and the Father are one by nature because He was begotten if God. They have the same divinity -"Godlike being" But the Farher has a name and Christ has a name. So there are 2 separate divine beings. Christ was with the Father during creation, for by Him was anything made... God is the Creator but it was the hads if the Son that did the creating. The scripture do not lie, they are very clear.

[@alfredhitchcock45]

1. Uncreated 2. Eternally begotten 3. No beginning

[@reese4077]

I'm confused where you pulled that Jesus was not created. The text calling him begotten makes it seem he proceeds God. You just randomly out of nowhere say he is eternal without proving it.

[@alfredhitchcock45]

Nature - what Person - who

[@sarabarker2219]

WE HAVE A ALMIGHTY POWER NON MATERIAL SOURCE WHO IS THE HOLY SPIRIT AND IS OUR ALMIGHTY CREATOR FATHER ,

[@alfredhitchcock45]

Consubstantial - has the same divine nature

[@ambroseabellair5306]

The entire book of Genesis is filled with the Father's who BEGOT there son's, the word begot means to bring forth / birth. Jesus was BORN of a virgin and he was begotten by the Father through the power of his Holy Spirit, he was and is the Son of man and the Son of God.

[@kennethmcdonald9736]

The Catholic and Orthodox definition of the word is heretically mixed up with the concept of "The Father has no origin, but Jesus has his origin in the Father". I believe the word "origin" referring to the Son, the great I AM, is misconceived. The word in relation to God the Son means the only "shown forth" or "revealed" Son of God (see WE Vine Expository dictionary). We are all created Sons of God, but Jesus is the only "revealed" or "shown forth" Son of God, uncreated. To say it means "became the Father of" begs the question "when"? In the incarnation? I believe he was the only begotten before the incarnation, because he is the only Son of the Father who IS, who is simply I AM THAT I AM, and not was created.

[@TrueMagisterium]

Born of the Father, before all ages. Born of... When? Just before? Eternally before? Sometime before? Born of... How? Begotten... How? A piece of Him? Consubstantial... Same makeup? As He made Eve from Adam’s rib?

[@DonjohnsonBG]

There’s nothing Trinitarian in 2 Cor 13:11-13 furthermore the verse says fellowship of the Holy Spirit not fellowship with the Holy Spirit. John clearly says fellowship is with two not three notice: 1 John 1:3 “That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.”

[@tomechaallen1226]

Amen

[@JohnRodriguez-si9si]

The Most Holy Trinity: Three Divine Persons ( Father, Son, Holy Spirit) in One True GOD ( Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14; 1 John 5:7) , is the Central Mystery of the Christian Faith, and, the Raison d'Etre for why I Myself, John Rodriguez, AM a Latin ( Roman Rite) Catholic Christian. In The Name of The Father, and of The Son, and of The Holy Spirit. Amen and Roger Out.🇺🇲🇺🇲❤️♥️🇻🇦🇻🇦✝️☦️☮️🌫️🕊️⛪🙏🛐🛡️🗡️⚔️‼️

[@givealight]

he is for all not only jewish!

[@alfredhitchcock45]

Monotheist and Trinitarian

[@Geronimo_Jehoshaphat]

Hear me out and stow the heresy haranguing... The use of the word "Begotten" as a past particle descriptor for Jesus' entrance into our ephemeral plane in John 3:16 can hold such sublime significance if we embrace its possibilities rather than just suppose Christ as this lingering spiritual appendage perpetually existing in timelessness without any known pertinent purpose aside from a fleeting temporal dust up to prove parental passion by putting humanity on track for a easier opportunity to qualify for epiphanous post-life harmony within the unfathomable glory of our father God. Can't the Son have been eternally "brought fourth" by way of always being notioned for eventual designation in not a too dissimilar way that an architect may plan, or an artist might conceive, or an inventor should eureka - well prior to manifestation? But first it would be beneficial to recognize that God requires no eternal Son for His infinite efficiency. Only an incarnated Son for a specificity. It's always a curious turmoil as to why some of the faithful can allow themselves to feel antagonized and even scandalized by even entertaining the quite lovely perception toward the person of Jesus as being an ingenuity of God's creative determination. I submit that when the vagueries of the archaic English term "Begotten" is sanwitched between the possessional context of 'God's" and the intentioned outcome of "Son" it can elegantly be inferred a refinement by divine proximity for a more poetic expansion of spiritual meaning beyond merely being "only inseminated and brought about by birth" into an emphatic testimony of being "uniquely derived and singularly embued" in reference to the exclusive conscience properties of God. To me, "Begotten" is an astonishingly powerful term of singularly seminal resolution and sacrifice. It seems Jesus as a flesh body amongst us under a constructed lineage and name must sensically in deed be a soley designed entity for aspecting God. Jesus' consciousness is directly derived from the eternal God almightly rather than merely a facsimile of some of God's core attributes as the rest of His earthly children's souls reflect. He's an authentic seeded and born man quite deliberately, as a partitioned authoritized proxy of God Himself for earnestly experiencing His creation in intimate fellowship and ministery with us His created by sharing our plights and delights on our terms from the perspective of our souls' limited state of temporal toil. God meeting with us on this equal plane as a contemporary is the ultimate act of empathy and most profound exampling of the humility we are called to emulate. Before Jesus' conception, He was not distiguished separate from the holistic entity of God's tri-omni absolute creative rule. On earth, Jesus is God purposefully limiting a segmented off representation of Himself from all the infinite power, presence and knowledge which God must inherently retain at all times and which cannot therefore be fully contained and contended within a created vessel of His particularly specified will for but a singled out matter of concentration. Video Games now are an avenue into starting to possibly better comprehend the dynamics of the relationship. As the avatar that you play in the virtual world is a limited representation of the whole dimensionality possesed by the long previously existing and discretely breathing player behind the controler who negotiates their effigy around in the mere created simulation of the game. So in other words, while that character you're playing is acting out your volition as it applies to that milieu - and even as you are invested to motivate its every decisive motion moving toward an objective which you have chosen to pursue - simultaneously behind the controller you continue to contend with other tasks of your broader reality which does not and cannot be burdained upon the capacities of that figure of your intention which exist only in the game created simulator. Outside of that game you're still inhaling and exhaling, communicating for a result in other things, still swallowing, eating and drinking, scratching an itch, your physical organs are still processing, you are simultaneously thinking of multiple things unrelated to what your virtual character is going through even as you do concentrate devoted attentions on accomplishing his ends as well. So is your avatar in that simulation you (?) - well for all intents and purposes relevant to the tasks in that simulation the answer is yes, but transcendentally of that prospect then the answer becomes more accurately yes but not entirely. So then how unfathomly more must God be moving seperately from His temporal dimensioned human proxy? Therefore shouldn't we logically surmise earthly Jesus has to be the Son, as the Father has more business than can be privy to the authentic human experience which was His proxy Jesus' mission to complete? Once His earthly mission was accomplshed, while the life experience of Jesus must be uniquely considered, Christ is no longer a partitioned aspect of the Father as His Son, but rather They are again He - as in One - and so too is His Holy Spirit which descends upon us as a beacon of His beckoning to comfort and lead us in His purposeful directions. Another thought is how we precieve each other over the phone. We indentify the voice being picked up by a microphone wiring and processed through a complicated signal out to a speaker as still being a person, although it is a manifestation of that individual's personality being somewhat accurately represented for communication without actually being all that that person truly is or can be. If we have aspects to ourselves which are identified in separation as still being us, then just try to imagine what our infinite Creator can aspect. That's a fashion for how I articulate my limited grasp on the subject anyway. The scriptures wisely do not bother wasting energy in attempting to detail more of the unmanageably complex and ultimately arbitrary convolution to the exact machinations for such an abstruse concept. Though certainly it does specifically detail that its primary figure who is called by the common name of Yeshua was particularly prepared from the lineage of God's chosen people who preserved His prophets for a designated time to be seeded by God and birthed for God's personalized solutions. For my reckoning "Begotten" is a sublime window into the wonders of our Creator's divine designs and destinations as conducted through His own limb's ingenuity that at times seemingly act independent from one another whilst still actually being deliberately implemented by a singular mind with a harmonious goal. It's not a false teaching, it's an evident inevitability.

[@christskingdomiscoming5964]

Begotten implies a beginning. Some being that did not exist beforehand, coming into existence. The begetter is the one who initiates the process of life in the begotten. No amount of Symantec's and language redefinition can get past this 'inconvenient truth'. Constantly pairing the word begotten with the word 'eternally' in the hopes that this might cancel out the meaning of begotten, doesn't work either. It's an oxymoron and never used in scripture! Ironically your creed gets it right by Identifying the Father alone as "GOD",who "alone made the Heavens and the earth", and Christ as "LORD", Important and powerful, but not as important and powerful as GOD, a lesser being!

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Why does Almighty God need a son? Is He lonely? Is He bored? Is He getting old and weak? No, it's because the early Christians were competing for authority over other branches of the Abrahamic religion.

[@christopherton]

We are created in in the image of the Trinity. Right ? We are 3 in one also. One person. Body. Soul and Spirit. Easy

[@joshron99]

I'll say the Creed with the traditional language, thank-you.

[@leonoradompor8706]

Remember Noah’s time !

[@genevieveis2838]

You can't tell the time going by your comments...🐝

[@patkeohane5005]

If I beget my son then my son is born of my being. He is out of me. Not created by me. Jesus Christ is born out of God the Father. He is part of the Father. Not created by the Father but rather born out of the Father.

[@alfredhitchcock45]

Angels - created sons of God Jesus - uncreated son of God

[@tomechaallen1226]

Heresy

[@ISAiah.42]

The Trinity 🤣😂

[@alfredhitchcock45]

Nicene Creed

[@Hideotic]

There isn’t 3 persons in the One God. It’s just the Godhead which is 1.

[@claudiozanella256]

Here "Son" just means that Jesus DERIVES from God, as hereinafter explained. The problem is that it's impossible for the almighty God be here now. Why? It's due to the fact that the future is now SET IN STONE. We can have FREE WILL because we do NOT know what is written in the stone and do not care about that. But God would KNOW that future instead and that future MUST COME TRUE. This means God would NOT be OMNIPOTENT: He could not even change the weather of tomorrow! He would thus be OBLIGED to let the future set in stone EXACTLY UNFOLD like it is, nothing can be changed. God would NOT BE FREE too because obliged to TAKE EXACTLY the God's actions already set in stone, down to the tiny detail. How could God manage to solve that problem? The almighty God was in a very distant past, before the birth of mankind and time ("...BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN. O righteous Father, the WORLD HAS NOT KNOWN YOU....") and from that temporal point He was able to OBSERVE US in his future and to take ACTIONS in that future. But this conversely means - from our point of view - that we are REACHED BY HIM from that past. God is thus actually PRESENT HERE, but ONLY with his words and actions. It's a kind of phone communication with the past, with added possibility of omnipotent actions. In other terms we can say that God IS A SPIRIT here ("God is a spirit") because He is active but those actions are actually MADE BY NOBODY. That Spirit - who is here - is called the Holy Spirit. On the other hand, the almighty God - who dwells in that distant past - corresponds to the "Father" of the baptismal formula, no one ever saw Him ("the world has not known you")... That above is from our point of view. From GOD'S POINT OF VIEW instead things are different: when the universe started the almighty God had already done ALL HIS WORK. He already decided all his future actions so that the future was now FINALLY SET IN STONE, to be made AUTOMATICALLY TRUE by his power. He had thus made EVERYTHING. He could get rid of his then USELESS power to become like a NORMAL MAN: the Son. "Son" thus means that He DERIVES from God, He is not a Son in the common sense of the word. As a normal man, He also has a relationship with God (but much stronger), He has thus a relationship with a "different Himself". The Son has thus no power at all, but He sits in heaven next to the power of God. His power is thus always "borrowed" from the Father, under his consent. God has thus already lived his "mankind experience" once as the almighty God. He is now living his "mankind experience" a second time as a normal man.

[@JJ-nn8kr]

Why do you want to limit God’s omnipotence? Think God as the only reality and everything else as His “LIVE” works, all the time feedback of our actions are incorporated.

[@claudiozanella256]

@@JJ-nn8kr The almighty God MUST follow the logic, He cannot do CONTRADICTORY things because this is not logical. I even learn that in school when I was a kid, it's just theology basics. That can be easily demonstrated. We must be here on this planet suffering because God cannot put us directly in heaven without bad consequences: we must do our part and God cannot do our part of work for us. Jesus had to die on the cross, God could not avoid the bad consequences related to a Jesus' refusal to be crucified. Jesus had to do his part. If God were not bound by logic, everyone would be in heaven happy and without any problem, but this is not possible, not even for God.

[@DonjohnsonBG]

Sir you is out of your mind you can’t be monotheistic and a Trinitarian at the same time that’s two different beliefs

[@leonoradompor8706]

I am the Virgin Mary living alive in the Philippines !

[@genevieveis2838]

Love ...you sound more like a pro-testant with that ugly mouth.

[@billylallen2662]

My issue with the trinity doctrine, is nobody teaches it, that one has to assume this teaching, but nobody taught a triune god. The is the problem, with proof texting scriptures, nobody taught the trinity doctrine in the scriptures and many claim it is in scriptures by reading such verses and then inferring that belief into those scriptures. Read them for what they say, don’t read into them a belief that comes from the philosophy of men and was never taught by Jesus Christ or His disciples. You claim Paul was a trinitarian, then provide scriptures of him teach a triune god or the trinity doctrine, that three person are one substance/essence/being.

[@SaintCharbelMiracleworker]

Read the Early Church Fathers, some knew the Apostles. All early christians believed in the Trinity. You can choose not to believe in the Trinity but that would make you a non-christian. www.catholic.com/tract/the-trinity

[@39knights]

One big issue you have to overcome is the inherent fallacy in believing the scriptures but not the Authority which gave you the Scriptures. By Scriptures I do mean the Catholic Bible and none-other. All the bibles developed since Luther are corrupted and changed versions of the ecumenically accepted Inspired Texts for over 1000 years before Luther et. al. started cutting them up. If you doubt the foundation of the Authority which shows you which are the 73 Truly Inspired texts from amongst the over 5000 scraps and pieces which claim to be so; then you have to doubt the scriptures themselves. This is a basic, basic fact. Once you do realize this and accept the Authority which gave you the Inspired Texts; then you have to also accept the official interpretation they give you; or again the whole thing is undermined. Once you settle that inconsistency in your logic; then the Trinity from Scripture becomes clearer and a non-issue.

[@Ancipital_]

Imagine saying "nobody teaches it" after 2000+ years of Holy Church teaching exactly this.

[@Rohan-zj8nl]

There is no trinity. God is a Spirit and God is Holy so God is the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ Himself is the one God of Deuteronomy. Christ is the Father who gave an example of a Son so that the similar way Jesus was called the Son of God we would be called the sons of God if we abode in His word and walked in His ways. That was an example of how one in order too be called sons of God should live. If one what has one who then God cannot have one what and 3 who's. This doesn't make any sense now , does it?🤔

[@cbooth151]

More Catholic confusion. If God is a trinity and that Jesus is the only-begotten Son of God, that would make Jesus the only-begotten Son of the trinity. But, wait! How can that be? How can Jesus be the Son of the trinity if he is also a part of the trinity? It makes no sense. One other thing, 2 Cor. 3:13 says: "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the holy Spirit be with all of you." Does this verse prove that God is tri-personal? Let's see by counting the "persons," shall we? 1. Jesus Christ. ONE PERSON. 2. the holy spirit. ONE PERSON. 3. God. THREE PERSONS. So, one person plus one person plus three persons equals FIVE PERSONS! So, what do ya know, a five-person trinity!!

[@suzanneyoung6273]

cbooth151 God the Father God the Son God the Holy Spirit 3 in 1.

[@cbooth151]

@@suzanneyoung6273 Where in your Bible do you see the terms God the Son and God the holy spirit?

[@cmonroe5496]

No scriptures to back up what he said. If Christ has no beginning then GOD can not be his father. If you say Christ is the only begotten of the father, also he came out forth from GOD that I can understand. Dont tel people it us a mystery. GOD give enough light in his words (scriptures)for you understand.

[@39knights]

When you see the light from a flame can you really separate the light from the source of light?? The same with God the Father (the Source). From all Eternity God has had ONE Thought; and that is of Himself. This thought was so perfect it included existence itself (if not, it would lack something and not be perfect). Thus the Source of the thought, and the thought itself are co-eternal. Even though you cannot tell the thought and the source of the thought apart; we can understand that one would be first in logical order. The term 'begotten' is not a timely ordering of existence; but one of logical order. Just as when you step in front of a mirror, can you really say you appeared before your image or at the sametime? Since God always eternally thought of Himself, so has His thought existed as a person eternally; yet one is the source and one is the perfect reflection and in that sense is Fatherhood understood. A matter of order, NOT time.

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@@DroknarsForge4198 "....would produce a different God...." This is not what the Trinitarian Doctrine proposes. We can approach it from two angles, top-down and bottom-up. Remember that the Greeks (as everyone in the world); are descendants of Noah and his children. You might call them pagans; but their culture still retained kernels of truth mixed in with their disordered thoughts about God and divinity in general. You see this in Protestantism as at first Luther retained much of the original Faith, but in time you can see how it has steadily de-volved into the spectacular mess it is today. Aristotle rightly argued that despite the multitude of 'gods' the Greeks believed in; there could really only be ONE God who was Eternal, Omniscient, and Omnipotent. If there were two Gods then one would become a limit unto the other and a God who has limits cannot be Omnipotent. If pagan Greek philosophy can figure this out; then it would only make sense that Revelation and eventually the Trinitarian Doctrine would not dispute this; nor contradict it. Thus the Trinitarian doctrine vehemently upholds there is only ONE God. The Bible does present us with a conundrum: Jesus often refers to and prays to God (the Father); yet Jesus also clearly claims to be God (before Abraham was I am). There are not a lot of choices here. Either Jesus was not God and lied; Jesus was yet ANOTHER God which as you and the Greeks rightly pointed out is a logical contradiction and thus nonsensical; Jesus is perhaps a demi-god like in the Greek Myths which is also a contradiction as Jesus never claimed to be only part-God; and the term is self-contradictory anyway. This leaves us with limited solutions. 1) The Father is a distinct Person and God; and Jesus is a distinct Person and God. We are not making things up here; we are following the clues given in the Bible and trying to work them out with what we know to be true. The other option is 2) another Protestant idea called Modalism. I myself am One Human and One Person. Yet in life people encounter me as the husband to my wife, father to my children, and son to my parents. This would be a caricature of Modalism; in which God is understood to act in different Modes throughout history. For various good reasons we can discount Modalism. The naked brute facts (as we say today) the bible presents is we have at least two distinct independent Persons (Father, Son) presented as fully God (not Gods as we have ruled out as a contradiction which can't exist). This is where the bible and common sense reasoning leads us. But you say "...this then also not leave you with an infinite amount of Gods....". I would use the term Persons and not Gods for reasons we have already covered. Theoretically if there can be more than one Eternal, Omnipotent, Omniscient Person in the Godhead; there is no reason why there couldn't be an infinite array of Persons in the Godhead. This is where the Church and Divine Revelation steps in. We would have no way of knowing HOW MANY Persons are in the Godhead except Jesus, the Bible, and the Church have revealed the answer to us. Theoretically I could have 20 children in my family; but once I tell you my wife and I had three children and cannot have more; then the answer is fixed and will not change despite what potentially could have been. So the simple answer is we have a Trinitarian God because this what God has revealed to us about Himself. We know there is God, there can only be one God by reasoning and reflecting on Nature and existence. We know this God is a personal God, composed of 3 distinct Persons in the ONE Godhead through Jesus and Divine Revelation.

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@@DroknarsForge4198 "...If there's more than one divine person then there's more than one God as a God just is a divine person...." Not necessarily. You are arguing from a human materialistic perspective. Today we have 8 billion people sharing one Human Nature. Each and every person is fully human; even if they have missing limbs, or height, or abilities. We can theorize what the 'perfect human' would be and judge them against that standard; yet it would not make them any less human. So the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit share the God Nature without any imperfections. There is only one God Nature; yet three persons who are fully God. If we theorize as to the 'perfect God'; then each of them would match the bill without flaw or imperfection. "...How is Jesus clearly claiming to be God in John 8.58? ..." Simple; read John 8:59 "So they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple." The Jews who spoke the same language; who were well schooled in Jewish Theology and the Law; and were there to hear not only the words recorded of the event but much more that might not be recorded or understood from tone and inflection which conveys more meaning. Even so they understood quite well that when Jesus said "..before Abraham was, I am..." He was using the OT name for God to refer to Himself and that is why they were going to stone Him for what they perceived was a false claim He made to be God. We Christians understand that was not a false claim. "....... if you cannot also give a reason for why this explanation wouldn't leave us with an infinite amount of Gods....." I gave you that answer. Jesus, Revelation, the Bible; and the Apostolic Church created by Jesus told us the answer; and it is THREE. You can speculate ad-infinitum as to why only THREE; but that is the answer given by God Himself.