The DEADLIEST Beginner Bike

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Whitney Does

Whitney Does

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@IamRayzor1995
@IamRayzor1995 7 ай бұрын
Nobody: ... Whitney: Casually drops the heaviest video I've watched in months
@strangeadv4977
@strangeadv4977 7 ай бұрын
Dude the cop telling the poor girl in the shipping container to "hang loose" while she is chained to the wall is INSANE....Amazing video Whitney!!
@Whitney_Does
@Whitney_Does 7 ай бұрын
Listening to them speak solidified that they could definitely never solve a crime
@harryjennings5602
@harryjennings5602 7 ай бұрын
@@Whitney_Does Yeah, well, South Carolina cops. It's just. Well. Yeah . . .
@section8usmc53
@section8usmc53 7 ай бұрын
​@@harryjennings5602No need to specify a place. You can just say "cops." It's not just "a few bad apples."
@maybelive765
@maybelive765 6 ай бұрын
Over there they say "theen bluuu laaaaan"
@IamPinhead
@IamPinhead 7 ай бұрын
I thought it might be the turbo Busa but that bike has only killed itself.
@noahknight4039
@noahknight4039 7 ай бұрын
I was expecting something much more powerful than a 750cc GXR.
@replynotificationsdisabled
@replynotificationsdisabled 7 ай бұрын
Why not an 08 r6? I upgraded to one after my k5 750
@JasonDudeson
@JasonDudeson 6 ай бұрын
@@noahknight4039 A katana 750 is NOT a gsxr 750.
@Full_Otto_Bismarck
@Full_Otto_Bismarck 6 ай бұрын
​@@noahknight4039Lets be real, if someone has never even ridden a small dirtbike, then a 750 katana, let alone a gsx-r, is a very bad choice. Potentially deadly.
@MiguelRPD
@MiguelRPD 6 ай бұрын
​@@Full_Otto_BismarckIt's all up to the rider and their risk management. I have a ninja 400 and it's my first motorcycle and I've been careful and take my time to learn the basics these past few months. I'm not trying to yeet myself into a corner.
@dannumbertwo
@dannumbertwo 7 ай бұрын
My first bike was a late model Suzuki Katana 750, the bike shown in the thumbnail and briefly at 3:40. I'd say it's a decent beginner bike if you have to commute on the highway. The only real drawback for a beginner is it's a bit heavy and has fairings, so when you drop it you'll have to deal with the plastic damage somehow. I recommend mixing acetone and ABS plastic to patch and reinforce any cracks. It's comfy and simple. Removing the panels to do service isn't too bad because it doesn't need much service! The parts come off quick and easy from there if you have to get deeper into the bike. The first time I had to do it was a bit intimidating but after working on other bikes, this one stands out as a nice simple machine. For all it's great traits, I don't think the GSXF would have made the guy any less of a psycho than the GSXR. This model was nicknamed the Kan o Tuna and people have made fun of it and it's riders since this model came out. It's not as quick as the GSXR, lower performance suspension, and it's curvy bodywork is 'ugly'. The original Katana it descended from was a groundbreaking machine and more powerful than the later ones, which made people look at the late variant as kind of a dumb bike, evolving in reverse. Compared to the guys at the shop poking fun at him for not handling the GSXR, he would have caught a lot more shit for riding the Kan o Tuna. I love mine, still have it, still run it, and I'll never sell it. It's great around town, nimble at speed, and stable on the highway. And while it won't pull your arms out of their sockets it is quicker than 95% of the cars out there so it's plenty fun and easy to put yourself where you want to be in the traffic stream. I don't mind when other riders poke fun, it's just banter. The derision does help keep the price down lol.
@fredmercury1314
@fredmercury1314 7 ай бұрын
It's a decent beginner bike if you know what you're doing lol
@JasonDudeson
@JasonDudeson 6 ай бұрын
dude seriously
@RobertHall-ef8yf
@RobertHall-ef8yf 6 ай бұрын
@@fredmercury1314 So then not a beginner bike? lol
@AshleyOnYT
@AshleyOnYT 6 ай бұрын
​@RobertHall-ef8yf Its more about if you can control yourself i feel. Also dirt experience means a lot. If you have it hell yea. If not tread with caution.
@williamborodati4564
@williamborodati4564 6 ай бұрын
Don’t understand dropping the bike? The M/c can’t wt all that much … I see crashing the m/c more because lack of experience
@Jay-fx4tx
@Jay-fx4tx 6 ай бұрын
Somethinh similar happened at the bike shop i worked at in high school. Dude came in all cocky and wanted a GSXR or a Ninja i cant remember which. But he had never ridden a bike before! We all tried to tell him how bad of an idea that was. To start out with something smaller, lighter, with less power to learn on. We would take it back in trade at the highest value we could give him AFTER he learned to ride and got confortable. HELL NO! he was a "MAN" and wanted a fast bike. So......we sold him one. I tried to teach him how to ride it in the parking lot. Wouldnt listen to me. I was a punk kid. His girlfriend trying to talk sense into him the whole time. So, he dropped it 3 times trying to learn in the lot. Finally took off uo the road girlfriend following in her car. 15 minutes later... Girlfriend conrs flying back, crying saying he crashed. I jumped in with her and she took me to where he was. He had gone thru an intersection with some loose sand and gravel. It slid out from under him and laid down. He was sitting there looking like a kid whos ice cream cone fell on the ground LOL. He said "TAKE THIS PIECE OF $#!@ BACK TO YOUR SHOP GUY". He had thrown the helmet out into the woods like a toddler. I rode it back and put it in the shop. Lol. Some people's egos are just out of control
@demwillams8898
@demwillams8898 6 ай бұрын
I worked at a bike dealer/shop...definitely saw folks wreck or at least drop bikes in the lot. The best was when they'd buy an expensive Arai helmet, walk out with it in hand, drop it on asphalt, then get mad we wouldn't accept the return. That was far more common than dropping bikes but some wild egos in there...
@watsisbuttndo829
@watsisbuttndo829 5 ай бұрын
Nearly 20 years in the bike industru between 1985 to early 2000s. Ive seen several brand new sports bikes last less than 100 metres.
@FiddlerKeith
@FiddlerKeith 7 ай бұрын
Police on TV: "I won't let this go until justice is served" Police in reality: "I will assume it's the first person I see even if I have to manufacture manufacture evidence"
@Whitney_Does
@Whitney_Does 7 ай бұрын
BOTH cases had such terrible police work.
@Mviper83
@Mviper83 7 ай бұрын
@@Whitney_Does I'm glad they pulled the DNA from the pool of blood on the floor and not the actual bodies of the victims. Wild forensics team they got there.
@liquidrepublic
@liquidrepublic 7 ай бұрын
Start a channel and call it Two Wheel True Crime. I'm sure there are enough bike related crimes out there to fill hours of content.
@angelusmortis3256
@angelusmortis3256 7 ай бұрын
I would tune in for that... love me some murder mystery shows
@bradysav3001
@bradysav3001 7 ай бұрын
1000% there's a whole wiki on hells angels "allegations" alone lol
@fredmercury1314
@fredmercury1314 7 ай бұрын
Every Harley ever sold, just for starters.
@robertparker51
@robertparker51 7 ай бұрын
That's a really good idea.
@peter7914
@peter7914 6 ай бұрын
@@bradysav3001true
@Dsanrides
@Dsanrides 7 ай бұрын
True crime meets motorcycling! I’m glued to this story. Here’s a motorcycle video my wife will actually enjoy 😂
@Whitney_Does
@Whitney_Does 7 ай бұрын
GREAT! I need more lady viewers!!
@kurthedgecock6313
@kurthedgecock6313 7 ай бұрын
That is a very strange and very, very sad story. You did a great job of storytelling!
@DoodleOnAMotorcycle
@DoodleOnAMotorcycle 7 ай бұрын
Dayumm.... you may have created a really cool new genre....
@GripEngineering
@GripEngineering 7 ай бұрын
Lived in Upstate SC area back then and remember each story, but didnt realize the same dude was responsible. Wow.
@almostrox7270
@almostrox7270 7 ай бұрын
I heard this story on a podcast it’s so sad that some psycho ruins family’s and lives cause he can’t handle his emotions!!
@Magic_Toaster
@Magic_Toaster 7 ай бұрын
Moral of the story: Never trust real estate agents!
@JasonDudeson
@JasonDudeson 6 ай бұрын
Moral: Carry a gun or stay home.
@julieherbst4445
@julieherbst4445 6 ай бұрын
Ok I bought a 2018 gsxr750, first Nike, 49, woman, California, I has only been on a motorcycle with my brother, he taught me when I was 19, so I went to the Harley dealership to buy a cruiser, well…. I liked the red wheels 😳, it was used, I really didn’t know what I was buying, the guy selling me the bike told me, not a beginner bike, I called my brother, he told me, you’re going to die, so I slept on it, looked at other bikes, I went back, and bought it, dropped it a couple times, braking too fast, I had two cars, it was in the garage, then I forced myself to learn, through the hills in Carlsbad at four in the morning, less traffic, drove to work, now I drive and love it, I’m 51, still a woman i think, I have no ego, it is the best middle age buy, oh, I worked and survived covid in the iCU as an RN, it is a reminder that I am alive, I’m more careful lane splitting,
@jayaneyon9316
@jayaneyon9316 7 ай бұрын
This is why I gotta get a smaller gun to carry everywhere. There's too many crazy people out there
@whollymindless
@whollymindless 7 ай бұрын
I don't feel so bad about my biggest mistake being that I dropped my new bike.
@josh_ari
@josh_ari 7 ай бұрын
He should have been grateful for the gixxer. I could understand what he did if they sold him a grom or something.
@lalalagirl2925
@lalalagirl2925 6 ай бұрын
That guy would break the grom’s frame ☠️
@aabbcc7532
@aabbcc7532 6 ай бұрын
Yo groms are awesome
@duc_duc_hoon
@duc_duc_hoon 7 ай бұрын
I dig the story time format. Good shit dude.
@billybop90
@billybop90 6 ай бұрын
Wow, insane story. My first street legal bike? 1994 Kawasaki Ninja ZX11. Bike only 2 months old and sold to me for $50 dollars with the stipulation that I sell it back to my friend for the same price and it be serviced at the dealership it came from. Had it for 18 wonderful months with 16K additional miles. It was sold to me due to a friends divorce and he did not want the ex to get it. 🙂
@anthonysoliz5760
@anthonysoliz5760 7 ай бұрын
I think you found your new calling. This video is great, just like all your other videos. Keep it up.
@leop4017
@leop4017 7 ай бұрын
Favorite Whitney does video right here
@Pottan23
@Pottan23 6 ай бұрын
"I cleared that room in under 30 seconds" The only thing that guy clears in under 30 seconds is a dinner plate
@grigorirasputin996
@grigorirasputin996 7 ай бұрын
Im guessing he insisted on buying that gsxr750, and later tried saying there was something wrong with it to get his money back. I just cant see a respectable powersports shop recommending that bike for a begginer and then mocking a customer over it.
@noahwillette2354
@noahwillette2354 6 ай бұрын
The one witness literally discussed this in the beginning of the video. The shop owner recommended the bike, the witness thought to himself well the owner must know the bikes. Same guy found the bodies.
@metalmoto3275
@metalmoto3275 7 ай бұрын
My friends are now giving me a side eye glance cause they know i to started on the 2003 gsxr750
@countryjoe3551
@countryjoe3551 7 ай бұрын
Psycho...........😂😂😂😂😂
@tylerwalsh7587
@tylerwalsh7587 7 ай бұрын
So an absolutely gigantic lad gets on a tiny sport bike and is shocked that he can’t fit on it. Weird.
@dahjo13
@dahjo13 7 ай бұрын
This chick is tied up against the wall of a storage container and one the cops rescuing her tells her just to hang tight? Really?!?She is tied up, where do they think she is gonna go?
@avi8r944
@avi8r944 5 ай бұрын
Engage in sudden, unexplained interpretive dance maybe?
@wowIloveusernames
@wowIloveusernames 7 ай бұрын
Dude that was nuts. Was not expecting this when I clicked the vid lol
@maguslascivious4980
@maguslascivious4980 7 ай бұрын
It's insane they used blood from the floor to do a DNA test when they had a whole ass body... lol..
@AyaWetts
@AyaWetts 7 ай бұрын
its amazing they couldn't solve the murders with such skill
@lorenc8010
@lorenc8010 7 ай бұрын
That sounds down right logical! You'd think that would be in the first class of DNA 101.....
@Wildtamson
@Wildtamson 6 ай бұрын
"this is america your guilty until proven innocent" isn't that crazy?
@portugeek75
@portugeek75 7 ай бұрын
On Today’s Motorcycle Mysteries with Whitney… In all seriousness this is a crazy story. Holy cow!
@steveturansky9031
@steveturansky9031 7 ай бұрын
I'd always recommend to start small and in the dirt for beginners, if possible. With a little trail riding, you can make the bikes controls second nature and that can save your life on the road. I had a friend/coworker who's first bike was a Yam 600 crotch rocket with no prior riding experience. Three month's later he died on it. Very sorry for all the victims in this story. What a cold monster the killer is.
@WideLoad405
@WideLoad405 7 ай бұрын
A Whitney Does true crime channel is absolutely something I would watch.
@THX..1138
@THX..1138 7 ай бұрын
The really scary thing is how many people like this guy there are. A friend of mine has friend who's a sociopath just like this guy. My buddy don't believe it, but I see the guy for what he is. I mean don't think he ever done anybody in, yet. Still he gives me the chills. When I first heard about the girl in the shipping container I told my friend there's gonna be a news story like this about your buddy someday.
@dynabungie
@dynabungie 5 ай бұрын
It's wild to me two of the most infamous crimes in that area were the same guy. I knew Kayla and Charlie from her work. And being in the cycle community here in the upstate I have heard about that mass shooting for years...
@jonathanroberts5797
@jonathanroberts5797 7 ай бұрын
Great story telling, give us more 👍
@chuckcribbs3398
@chuckcribbs3398 7 ай бұрын
“Everyone’s dead up in here!” 😁 Not funny I guess, but his reaction is hilarious.
@C01dEyes
@C01dEyes 6 ай бұрын
Holy shit! I watched a video months ago about how this guy. The video only covered the kidnappings, forced imprisonment of his victims and the murder of some of his clients but said nothing about the murders that occurred at this bike shop. Wow
@ccreations123
@ccreations123 6 ай бұрын
I subbed and want more crazy motorcycle stories..... Please
@BUGBYTE_
@BUGBYTE_ 7 ай бұрын
Great video... Hear me out. These bike dealerships need to be careful who they sell a gsxr to.☠️☠️☠️
@fullmetalcorgi1350
@fullmetalcorgi1350 7 ай бұрын
D) Fookin' send it
@solidsnake3861
@solidsnake3861 7 ай бұрын
my last bike was a gsxf katana750 in grey i own now a fjr 1300
@DeniedClimax
@DeniedClimax 6 ай бұрын
Great title, thumbnail and video, subbed :)
@lnc23
@lnc23 6 ай бұрын
I had heard about them south of him locking the people in the shipping container. But never thought I would stumble upon the beginning of the story there watching bike videos. Dang that’s crazy that it all goes back to the same guy.
@geecee4746
@geecee4746 6 ай бұрын
Gees, what a story. Thank you Whitney
@chasingghost4499
@chasingghost4499 7 ай бұрын
This is one of your best videos, I already knew the story, but still, an awesome video.
@Whitney_Does
@Whitney_Does 7 ай бұрын
Means a lot coming from you! Thanks
@carlosvejar3938
@carlosvejar3938 7 ай бұрын
That guy is amazingly insane
@HaUnTeDLuNa
@HaUnTeDLuNa 7 ай бұрын
I’ve heard about this guy before but never knew about him killing a dealership full of ppl.
@Whitney_Does
@Whitney_Does 7 ай бұрын
Yes! Also known as the Amazon Review Killer. Saw the superbike Motorsport murders on a really old Unsolved Mysteries
@letmeshowumypkmn
@letmeshowumypkmn 5 ай бұрын
Wtf I got baited by motorcycles into a true crime video
@MichaelBrown-re2hz
@MichaelBrown-re2hz 7 ай бұрын
Jw I don’t understand the hotel California lyrics. Anyone care to explain. It sounds twisted for sure but goes right over my head .
@fjones1914
@fjones1914 7 ай бұрын
I remember this story. I forgot where I saw it, originally, but it was memorable due to the high body count.
@ccreations123
@ccreations123 6 ай бұрын
This was great, I remember the girl being found, the motorcycle part is crazy though
@timkilbourn5685
@timkilbourn5685 7 ай бұрын
The 750 or even the 600 sport bike is a good “first” sport bike. But damn that is after a bit of …what do they call it? O ya TRAINING! Not a good dealership if a customer comes to you because that are having troubles handling a bike, and they don’t try to get you into a training course or some sort of help. Not saying they didn’t and we are going off the word of a psycho. So they might have well done just that. As for them being “rude” I bet you $100 they were just good ol’ boys giving him a hard time. Joking around, but he is a psycho and took it personal. If his reputation is anything close to what was said about him true, then I would bet he was willing to help the guy.
@noveris6538
@noveris6538 6 ай бұрын
YAYYYY WHITNEY GOES VIRAL
@davidmann2988
@davidmann2988 6 ай бұрын
The most dangerous motorcycle…. The one with an idiot riding it
@gregsullivan8065
@gregsullivan8065 6 ай бұрын
The black bike you showed a few times was a Katana 750, not a GSXR-750. While not an ideal beginner bike, it’s much better than the GSXR, which is best left to the pros.
@lalo4406
@lalo4406 7 ай бұрын
My Brothers first bike was an 86 GSXR.750 😮
@Alarak87
@Alarak87 6 ай бұрын
I thought I recognized this story. Mr Ballen covered this a while ago. Creepy as hell, as are most of the stories he shares.
@RoaminNowhere
@RoaminNowhere 7 ай бұрын
2:08 Guilty until proven innocent because they questioned the wife? When domestic issues often lead to murder this is just questioning. Come on. Silly comment.
@Whitney_Does
@Whitney_Does 7 ай бұрын
They hounded her for YEARS with zero indicating evidence . Then it went cold for 13 years. Sorry mate, that's shotty fuggin police work
@AselevID
@AselevID 7 ай бұрын
True crime and motorcycles? Whitney, you spoil us.
@FZ1RIDER
@FZ1RIDER 6 ай бұрын
I was born and raised in the low country and its still shocking to see and hear about this.
@GearHeadBoris
@GearHeadBoris 7 ай бұрын
Yeah this is why i don't ride with gixxer guys.
@michaelking4578
@michaelking4578 6 ай бұрын
I'm glad the bike shop in my town would only sell me a Vespa because they know about my psychosis and I also think they are a caring group.
@Smallbore2wheels
@Smallbore2wheels 7 ай бұрын
Love this video format!
@je7647
@je7647 6 ай бұрын
that google view property view is the most suspect area and I woudnt let anyone who I know stay there
@Knoxvillemoto
@Knoxvillemoto 7 ай бұрын
Wow. That dude is truly evil.
@Traihart
@Traihart 6 ай бұрын
Hey, Whitney, thoughts on 801 ?;)) Wonder if you gonna get one for a showcase or something, have a nice day!
@stephenabbott7259
@stephenabbott7259 5 ай бұрын
I remember this one. I didn’t realize he wanted his money back.
@WanieB
@WanieB 5 ай бұрын
You never know what goes on in people’s heads.
@briancrowe8535
@briancrowe8535 7 ай бұрын
True Crime sells
@michaelsanchez8457
@michaelsanchez8457 7 ай бұрын
Was the 750 ok?
@kellydrover1994
@kellydrover1994 7 ай бұрын
Great video. Thank you !
@fredmercury1314
@fredmercury1314 7 ай бұрын
2:15 "Because this is America and you're guilty until proven innocent" That was an obscenely dumb comment. The police's job is to investigate. If they assume everyone is innocent, who are they going to investigate..? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Literally no crime would ever be investigated or solved. No one would ever be arrested, and no criminals would ever go to jail, because everyone is innocent unless the police see you do it. And even then, you're innocent until they can prove they saw you do it. You're innocent until proven guilty *in a court of law* not during the investigation.
@Ehal256
@Ehal256 6 ай бұрын
I would argue that gathering evidence and investigating doesn't require them to presume guilt. Police still (ostensibly) have to presume innocence. It's why you can generally bail yourself out if jailed before trial. If you are presumed guilty, they can just throw you in prison to start.
@goodbonezz1289
@goodbonezz1289 6 ай бұрын
Definitely not the worst first bike. Not the best first one, for sure. But absolutely not the worst.
@KeViNMCMXXCIX
@KeViNMCMXXCIX 7 ай бұрын
Intriguing. Weird as well. Fun idea to make a video about Whitney. Poor Gixxer 750 though. 😆
@frenchwv
@frenchwv 7 ай бұрын
Wild stuff. Thanks.
@some_guy441
@some_guy441 6 ай бұрын
This is WILD!
@walterhorn5567
@walterhorn5567 7 ай бұрын
Evil exists
@shawnmacwhinnie4481
@shawnmacwhinnie4481 7 ай бұрын
Katana or Gsxr 750? 50 hp difference.
@tormado
@tormado 7 ай бұрын
Yup, very different performance level. Katana 600 is still probably the most meat a true beginner should have on tap..
@michaelhart5087
@michaelhart5087 7 ай бұрын
This reminds me of the guy I bought my pre built 2 stroke 80cc motorized bike from. and he wouldn't offer any warranty services even though I paid the guy $600.00 Cad. and the kicker was the guy also sold 1500 watt ebikes for 1500 bucks and a 6 month warranty but not a 1 month for a 600 dollar gas bike!? I mean come on!.🙄😒..i am 100% ebikes for life now. nothing but 2 stroke headaches and maintenance non stop ya no thanks. lol
@Paul-gu2lv
@Paul-gu2lv 6 ай бұрын
Gsx or gsxr??
@bmint
@bmint 6 ай бұрын
That was such a calm 911 call.. apparently he says 😂😢
@rustypotatos
@rustypotatos 7 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@rm25088
@rm25088 6 ай бұрын
fantastic video! Threw you a sub.
@chonkyb3134
@chonkyb3134 6 ай бұрын
Interesting video❤
@LowkeyBanger
@LowkeyBanger 5 ай бұрын
Yes the lawyer will hide your affairs after they’re exposed.
@staypuft9994
@staypuft9994 6 ай бұрын
My first bike was a 98 gixxer 750 🤘🏼
@AAAskeet
@AAAskeet 5 ай бұрын
I took my MC DL test on a CBR900RR.Been riding street since 1991,never dropped a bike.Dirt,hundreds of times.
@davidbrayshaw3529
@davidbrayshaw3529 6 ай бұрын
Rumour has it that he used a Vespa as a getaway vehicle.
@togaman6438
@togaman6438 5 ай бұрын
I remember this kidnapping! Wild that this is related
@Username-2
@Username-2 6 ай бұрын
The sheer incompetency of police is crazy here.
@DebtsolutionsGuy
@DebtsolutionsGuy 6 ай бұрын
If he really cleared the place in under 30 seconds, then i'm actually proud
@hatethetube46
@hatethetube46 6 ай бұрын
^^^can we put this guy on a a watch list or something?
@Paul-gu2lv
@Paul-gu2lv 6 ай бұрын
Our Police is about as good as our public schools.
@8bitMAG
@8bitMAG 7 ай бұрын
Moooorreee videos please!!!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉
@SaintVeloth
@SaintVeloth 7 ай бұрын
Totally bonkers story, jeeeeeeeez. Great job telling it though lol
@jonathanshaw8868
@jonathanshaw8868 6 ай бұрын
Common theme with police
@kristenmoon4405
@kristenmoon4405 7 ай бұрын
Holy crap, this is where I went to middle school. O.o
@SPLURG-ei8xw
@SPLURG-ei8xw 5 ай бұрын
Because of this case, I keep my jokes to myself.💯
@joshuaescobedo2423
@joshuaescobedo2423 6 ай бұрын
Keep my brother GSXR750's name out of your mouth 🤬
@jmackinjersey1
@jmackinjersey1 5 ай бұрын
Well, you could simply learn how to ride that bike, and just like any other machine, be responsible and do not simply add as much power as the machine will allow. You don't get into a car for the first time, be it a Corolla or a Corvette, and instantly slam the gas pedal down to the floor and run around at WOT, so what is the difference in a mid powered motorcycle? You can get hurt on a 250cc scooter just as easy as you can on a 1000cc or a large 1200cc bike. The saying to get a small bike an "learn" how to ride it is one of the most ignorant things to say. What you should say is to get a bike that is comfortable for your body size, your wallet and of course, off of the used lot or from an individual. Just act right when riding it.
@davidmaguire7385
@davidmaguire7385 6 ай бұрын
I remember when this happened
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