The Death Of Atheism | Justin Brierley

[@Salipenter1]

Tom Holland and Douglas Murray, atheists who admire the utility of Christianity but don’t believe in its tenets is something a true Christian should not be happy to claim. How low we have fallen. The number of non-believers continues to grow every year. We are still losing. I want Christianity to cover the world but I won’t deny statistics. We can do our work with out falsehoods Justin.

[@lysanderofsparta3708]

Douglas Murray is a lisping effete homosexual who claims the patrimony of Western civilization.

[@noelhausler2911]

Mark Twain " “Just say the report of my death has been grossly exaggerated.”

[@kingofmphs]

Zero evidence of god is what brought me to atheism.

[@BringJoyNow]

Zero Evidence that you accept, a true atheist can see evidence that can be acceptable and refuse it's Conclusions, the other are edgy 15 years old on comments sections.

[@lysanderofsparta3708]

Zero evidence of atheism doesn't seem to bother you, eh?

[@MichaelHabner]

The greatest fear of a Christian is a person who doesn't believe in a God, yet acts by a moral code to do good.

[@cygnusustus]

The Bible did not give my my morality. Nor did the Bible give my culture its morality. The Bible, like all religions, has merely reflected the morality of cultures.

[@BringJoyNow]

So 1)you make up your own? With what claim, that you are right because you are you? 2) society makes up its own without a connection to the divine? Have you ever read a history book😂

[@cygnusustus]

@@BringJoyNow "you make up your own?" As do you. "society makes up its own without a connection to the divine" Obviously yes. "Have you ever read a history book" More than you, child.

[@OldSkoolUncleChris]

We believe what we DO not what we write (or say)

[@geoffreyfield6686]

The value of religion. Well stated Mr Brierley.

[@cygnusustus]

Uhm....what "value"?

[@JiraiyaSama86]

That's got to be the best part of Christianity as a religion. Only in Christianity can you question your own religion. But in others, one word against them and you're probably out or not alive.

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

The death of Atheism? What are you talking about? Atheism is the default rational position and there remains rational people in the world. In some countries the irrational make it dangerous to admit you are rational. Never the less, this Muslim in a Muslim majority country is not taken in by just so stories. It is just dangerous for myself and my family to proclaim it.

[@aurancrash4654]

There is nothing rational about atheism. It is a reactionary worldview that believes in the theoretical and it can only survive because of religious concepts which it continuously needs to put down to try and uplift itself. It is the faith of the lost and insecure. It calls to nothing and offers nothing. It breeds only misery and despair.

[@rookki]

Shroud of Turin. It cannot be reproduced - we dont have the technology. We dont have small enough laser. Study it. Your "rationality" will change.

[@nicholasfevelo3041]

You need to read more. You also have no idea what rationalism is.

[@alisterrebelo9013]

I've lived in the Middle East (2 GCC countries) as a subcontinental man, for over 18 years, so believe me when I say I've lived your experience, to some extent. And I am reasonably confident in making the claim that, atheism is one of the most logically incoherent and therefore illogical worldviews. An incoherent worldview is one which does not meet its own standards of evidence. So far every atheist I've met appeals to scientific evidence as the appropriate standard of evidence to be applied to any belief. Do you agree with my summary of what I think your view is?

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

@@nicholasfevelo3041 What do I need to read? The Vedas, the Upanishads, and the Itihasa? The Quran and the Hadith? The Pāli Canon perhaps? Should I read the Book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price? You should read more too. In an earlier comment I said I had attended seminary. I am familiar with both the old testament and the new. i have also read both the Iliad and the Odyssey. It's great fun to read the Gospels side by side with the Odyssey by the way. They rather line up. Sad that Matthew couldn't read Hebrew, then he wouldn't have reported as though a witness a mistranslated prophecy in the Greek Septuagint. That's because Mark appears to be a work of fiction and the others just improve upon Mark. Was Jesus the shell shocked Jesus of Mark who said nothing to anyone and couldn't carry his cross or chatty Cathey Jesus of John who wouldn't shut up and carried his cross the whole way?

[@egioch]

I don't care so much if there is a creator but I care about not to be surrounded with religious cults and weirdos.

[@DestinyAwaits19]

You're the moderate we need.

[@pederjohansen2029]

Everyone believes in something. Whether it's religion, climate, "science", "woke" etc. It is human nature to go beyond the natural.

[@Wildrover82]

Science is about knowing, not believing.

[@Bill_Garthright]

_"It is human nature to go beyond the natural."_ What makes you think that science - let alone _climate!_ - is "beyond the natural"? But yes, we all believe things. For example, I believe that you're a complete idiot. :) (I'm joking. I wouldn't presume to claim that about someone I don't even know, no matter _how_ dumb they sound on KZbin.)

[@jonah9861]

Arguing that “science is about knowing” is clearly anti-scientific.

[@Wildrover82]

@@jonah9861 no.

[@txdmsk]

You are trying to redefine the word 'believe' and associate it with science, without understanding how these things work.

[@peteraguilar7600]

I find it so interesting that Justin Brierly (who I have a lot of respect for) has talked to several Atheists, yet when he says that Atheists prescribe to "this purely materialist view of reality" it makes me wonder how much he is actually listening to Atheists. Atheism does not prescribe believing in philosophical naturalism, which is where there are also Atheists that are methodological naturalists as well as a large group of Atheists that hold various supernatural beliefs. I was very disappointed in Mr. Brierly in this clip.

[@cadicamo8720]

Are there atheists that hold supernatural beliefs?!!! I'm an atheist and I always defined it ss "the negation of any supernatural belief. An atheist that fears Candyman? Man...😂

[@peteraguilar7600]

@@cadicamo8720 First, there are definitely Atheists that hold supernatural beliefs. There are Atheists who have stated that they believe in the existence of faeries, chakra, and vampires. Possibly the most popular supernatural belief found with Atheists is the belief of reincarnation. Additionally, I knew an Atheist that was convinced the ghost of her grandmother would occasionally visit her to watch over her and offer advice, so some Atheists do believe in ghosts. Second, while Atheists can believe that the supernatural does not exist, that would be combining two different concepts. Atheism is the answer to one specific question: do you believe the claim that one or more Gods exist? If the answer is yes, then you are a Theist. If the answer is no, then you are an Atheist. The other concept would be materialism. Materialism has two primary categories: philosophical naturalism and methodological naturalism. Philosophical naturalism is the claim that the natural/material world is all that exists, and therefore the supernatural does not exist. Methodological naturalism states that I am open to believing in the supernatural once the burden of proof for claiming the supernatural exists has been met; however, until that time, I am going to focus on natural explanations for discovering how our world and Universe work. Hence, Atheists come in three main categories regarding materialism: there are Atheists that are philosophical naturalists, Atheists that are methodological naturalists, and Atheists that hold one or more beliefs in the supernatural. Of course, I highly encourage to look into this for yourself. More knowledge can be very helpful.

[@txdmsk]

He is clueless. He talks about the usual straw atheist religious idiots like to bring up.

[@cygnusustus]

@@cadicamo8720 "Are there atheists that hold supernatural beliefs?" Sure. "I always defined it ss "the negation of any supernatural belief. " Nope. It is that rejection of the belief in gods.

[@mikescollard6499]

​@@cygnusustusMeaning there was no Creator. It just happened, something from nothing.

[@thespiritofhegel3487]

At the end of the day it gets dark

[@nicholasfevelo3041]

You sad Hegelian

[@shashikamanoj1160]

@@thespiritofhegel3487 And Sun rises

[@sanjosemike3137]

Many deists have a completely different view of God than either Christianity or organized religion. Rather it is based upon the very,very common experience of NDE’s and the “perception” of physical light during their experiences. In fact, most NDE’s have that perception of God during their NDE. In terms of physics, it makes sense that God is actually photons. Or at least that is how he is perceived. Photons can be anywhere and everywhere in the universe and most physicists believe they exist forever. Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)

[@Bill_Garthright]

Heh, heh. The death of atheism, huh? Dream on! Of course, that's the whole point of faith-based thinking, huh? Just believing whatever you _want_ to be true?

[@djlduro]

@@AndreaPearce-h1y Was he referring to Atheism? With its facile assumption of the good, with no rational underpinnings absent a higher reality?

[@jonah9861]

Atheism is for teenagers.

[@egioch]

that's how alphabet people work

[@Bill_Garthright]

@@jonah9861 _"Atheism is for teenagers."_ Yes. And for anyone else who cares about the truth. Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, God... those are taught to children. When you grow up, you might start to care more about the _truth_ of your beliefs. We'll see.

[@verhygo4844]

​@@Bill_Garthright The truth is that atheism isn't about the truth, though. In no definition of the word, is truth defined as the highest ideal of atheism. Nor is rationality or reason. Atheism is usually defined as a lack of belief in deities or a god, and while I don't know if that's the definition you are going for, nor myself believe that it will die out, it has actually nothing to do with truth in itself. At most, it would be a claim of truth, and therefore still not a call for the pursuit of truth. To set up truth as the highest value, and the only thing worth to pursue in life, on the other hand, sounds an awful lot like a religion, though. Even if that doesn't include a personification of the concept itself.

[@krpi7685]

Religious people need to remind themselves that this whole religion thing isn't that important to us atheists. Might sound untrue because you feel like the atheists you see are always up in arms about this or that... but to most of us for almost all of the time, religion just doesn't exist. At least to those of us who happen to live in more secular societies/areas. Very different to how religion is to religious people and that mismatch can be hard to grasp from the other side especially if you're used to battling it out with atheists over the internet. So I'm not worried in any way, we're still here and if religion hits a new boom or something I fully expect atheism to become more visible as a reaction. Or more active which is what the "new atheism" is really all about, atheists actively doing things.

[@niceworkabc]

Perhaps people are now more agnostic than atheist.

[@txdmsk]

IQ is dropping.

[@cygnusustus]

Nope. Still atheist.

[@cygnusustus]

@@txdmsk "IQ is dropping." That would make more Christians.

[@scottbignell]

Still an atheist here. We've been around ever since someone first postulated the existence of god/s. And we'll be around for much longer, I'm sure.

[@yadurajdas532]

They have always been atheist and they will always be. Just like they have always been good and bad children or chaste and unchaste women. Is just one of the options. Got nothing to do with been more intelligent or intelectual

[@shashikamanoj1160]

@@scottbignell Of course, until there's a God for without God there are no atheists

[@timbo365]

Whatever your belief, if you are wrong, it will cause you problems.

[@nicholasmolnar8312]

I'm agnostic but I look up. As you American lad. We we're brought up Cristian but not heavy. Normal. I saw the church teacher the same if not worse than the public school teachers. It's more it's more or a self gratification job than I'm doing a good job. Also is money involved? I will never take time out of my lode to care for the community. Three words that don't work. Trust the government.

[@BringJoyNow]

"I will never take time out of my lode to care for the community" I could answer: Live happily in your house while the world outside change around you while you get of age, don't lament if it's in the direction that does not suit you and don't lament if it will affect you personally. But I think that you need to learn to love the other selflessly. Grow up.

[@johnhammond6423]

The Christion religion is slowly dying out but in Justin's little world of make believe its doing just fine. 🙄

[@lysanderofsparta3708]

And what little world do YOU live in?

[@johnhammond6423]

@@lysanderofsparta3708 The real world, how about you?

[@lysanderofsparta3708]

@@johnhammond6423 We all live in the real world. What's your point?

[@johnhammond6423]

@@lysanderofsparta3708 My point simply is people that believe in mythical Gods and the supernatural are not living in the real world.

[@lysanderofsparta3708]

@@johnhammond6423 Everybody lives in the real world no matter what they believe. Try making sense for a change.

[@cubansoy]

No God my whole life, never needed one.

[@Wildrover82]

Me neither.👌

[@richardpowell1772]

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law, aye?

[@jonah9861]

Atheism is for teenagers.

[@Wildrover82]

@@jonah9861 atheism is for people with the guts to look at life as it is.

[@jonah9861]

Adolescent eyes.

[@lesliecunliffe4450]

Justin Brierley is hopelessly out of his depth if he thinks New Atheism is dead. It was never alive in many respects, but in others, it has reinforced what sociologists describe as plausibility structures. These are the presuppositions that inform the currency of our everyday practices, which means atheism as an ideology continues to dominate all facets of Western cultural practices.

[@melchiel4413]

I'm a Noachide (Noachidism is a mainstream offshoot of Orthodox Judaism for gentiles who want to be righteous). I can firmly state that it is literally impossible for there to not have been at least one God at least once. If the first law of thermodynamics and cause and effect (not the principle of causality just the colloquial notion that things that happen require other things to have happened before it) are both true at once then they would have, over an infinite time span, created a mind capable of controlling the universe, something we could call a G-d. If the history of the universe is neither in infinite regress nor cyclical then it would have to have had the odds of it popping into existence or not, pre-supposing a calculation and therefore a mind capable of controlling an entire universe, something we could call a God. If neither are true then cause and effect and energy were joined at a specific point in time in the past by something capable of ordering two universes with stable, eternal natures, things that cannot change without the exercise of powerful will by definition, something we could call a God. The atheism of the gaps is going extinct in our lifetime.

[@ISee-xe5ow]

@@tyrejuan8so you assume. How do you know what an all powerful god would do?

[@svyatoyaleksnevskiy]

"I can firmly state that it is literally impossible for there to not have been at least one God at least once." Oh please. That's a long list of unwarranted assumptions. Your speculation is no better than anyone else's.

[@Mateus.007]

@@tyrejuan8 God stopped the creation of the World in the seven day. After the world can function by laws.

[@ISee-xe5ow]

@@tyrejuan8 you assert that an all powerful god would perform an act, and that act manifests instantly. On what basis do you derive this would ?

[@williambranch4283]

Thick with irony. Atheism always reincarnates ;-)

[@danieljeftic6181]

Shame about the title....... It is odds with the overall message that is being presented.....

[@paulb2022]

Hold up. Being a "product of the Bible" (if that's even true) somehow lends validity to the Old Testament?? A poor argument at best

[@reneburger4317]

Religion is the stone age approach on explaining the world. Spirituality is something different.

[@lysanderofsparta3708]

What are you blabbering about?

[@minhsun5441]

Anyone travelling around Australia from the cities to the regional town will know there are hundred of Churches are empty and the door shut 365 days a year. However, there are thousand of Catholic families are struggling with the cost of living and looking for a place to live. The Catholic Priest and the Buddish Monks under a very close watch by the communist party and the people. if they are not doing anything helping the poor families and the children left behind like the Philippine Church. General Minh Sun families will have a private meeting with them, very exciting meeting with the Goldenstar 😂 The society doesnt need a Catholic Showroom like Holden Car Dealership or Mercedes Car Showroom. We want the Catholic Action Dealership, whatever it take and whatever it cost, long live Socialism , Long Live Communism -Long Live Ho Chi Minh. We dare any Australianand the western world stand on our way.

[@lysanderofsparta3708]

Judging by the comments, a lot of angry butthurt atheists got triggered by this video.

[@therick363]

I would say more that the title isn’t supported and atheism is alive.

[@1969cmp]

Im a former atheist and what surprised me after my walking away from atheism was that the primary drivers of the modern scientific movement believed Genesis and The Gospels as historical text.

[@baconboyxy]

The Bible did not give me my morality. No doubt, it has influenced the world in many ways, but I knew not to hurt other people long before I knew about the Bible. I don’t decide what I believe is moral based on that thousands year old book. Don’t pretend like you know me, or like you know the backgrounds of all atheists.

[@BorniWolf]

The classical example of confusing the long-term cultural effects of Christianity in Europe with the existence of a god. Also, judging an intellectual argument based on the background of the person who made it (here, Dawkins) instead of based on what the argument actually says is not simply dumb, it's ludicrous. This approach, just like every religious one, shuts down all reasonable conversations on the subject. My mistake, I expected much more clarity and objectivity from this channel, or, at least, some basic critical questions after this moronic "argument". I unsubscribe.

[@noelhausler2911]

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[@leepd1]

Being an atheist is the opposite to sitting on the fence, by choosing to think for one’s self and see reality the way it actually is.. as for the drivel in this video, all I see is the usual desperate justification to believe.. and trying to diminish non belief in this manner only highlights how chronically insecure the faithful are becoming as more and more start to wake up.. they were always going to push back hard and it will only get worse as their numbers go down.. I like John’s podcasts, except for this fundamentalist nonsense.. I find it quite childish and tedious.

[@yadurajdas532]

They have always been atheist and they will always be. Just like they have always been good and bad children or chaste and unchaste women. Is just one of the options. Got nothing to do with been more intelligent or intellectually capable

[@catnvol]

One can only hope, and pray, that atheism is dying. If it is, we are so early in the process that it is barely, if at all, evident. To those that think life on Earth came about by chance, I would ask "What is the probability of the DNA of a human coming about by chance?" I recall reading an article on just this many years ago and there wasn't a number for it because the chance was so small. As for those that say "If God was real, God would show us God was real!"; I would counter that all you have to do is look around at the wonder of the Universe to see that God exists.

[@Bill_Garthright]

Don't you know _anything_ about biology? No one thinks that DNA came about solely by chance? So why would you comment on something you clearly know *nothing* about?

[@catnvol]

@@Bill_Garthright If you think there is no higher Power and think humans came about simply by "evolution" then it is you that knows nothing about it. Either there is an architect for the Universe or all that happened happened simply by chance.

[@Bill_Garthright]

@@catnvol _"Either there is an architect for the Universe or all that happened happened simply by chance."_ Nope. Unplanned isn't the same thing as random chance. But so what? Do you have *one piece of good evidence* your god is actually real, rather than just imaginary? Just *one,* but specific enough and in enough detail that I can judge it for myself?

[@michelangelope830]

Tenemos una vida y es para siempre. Dios existe y es mejor no ignorar la eternidad. La realidad es para todos igual y el que descubre al verdadero Dios gana. Spinoza tuvo razón y nadie le hizo caso. El panteísmo es la verdad que te ayudará en la vida. ¿Tienes algún ser querido en prisión, guerra o peligro? Si entiendes la falacia lógica atea te ayudará. Mi verdad es el ateísmo es una falacia lógica que asume Dios es la idea religiosa del creador de la creación y concluye erróneamente que el creador no existe porque una idea particular de Dios no existe. Los ateos creen que Dios es la idea de perfección que tienen los religiosos. Los ateos creen que Dios no existe. Los ateos creen que saben que Dios no existe. Cuando era ateo estaba seguro que Dios no existía porque sabía que el concepto de un Dios personal que tienen los religiosos no existe. Hay algo más que esta vida porque la vida fue creada. Cuando morimos sabremos para qué vivimos, para que existimos. Mi consejo para escapar del círculo es cambiar el círculo por dentro. Si estás leyendo desde prisión mi consejo es enseñar que Dios existe a todos para vivir protegido mejor. Dios es realidad inteligente que creó el universo después de haber existido siempre. Lo más inteligente, cauto y racional es cuidar la creación de Dios. Lo más inteligente, cauto y racional es no hacer daño lo que Dios creó. ¿Quién quedría hacer daño a la vida y universo que creó Dios? Con la idea de Dios no se juega y la humanidad ha inventado dioses sin saber Dios realmente existe. La humanidad se equivocó. ¿Es posible estar equivocado creyendo? Dios existe porque de la nada no puede ser creado algo. La realidad es eterna. A Dios se llega mediante la razón y los sentidos. Es urgente que el debate acabe para salvar vidas. Gracias.

[@Wildrover82]

Atheism is what we will all be soon. If we survive long enough. God is on his last legs, and he won't be making a comeback.💯👌

[@1969cmp]

.....watch this space. I watching the geopolitical space move in a certain direction that Ezekiel wrote abou.

[@andreas0101]

Atheism is shallow and anti intellectual.

[@woodwyrm]

If God was on his last legs, would you have been here in this comment section making that assertion?

[@FallenHellscape]

The new religion is the worship of Self in the form of wokeness. The worship of Identity. I’d rather deify something truly transcendent than believe that human beings are that transcendence.

[@julietkelly7215]

Interesting statement. I, too, am a lapsed Christian. I became dissolutioned with the church and those that pretend to preach the Gospel. That said my faith is still strong and my love of God is undiminished. My love for 'man' is debatable.

[@dartharpy9404]

Truth

[@jonah9861]

Atheism is for teenagers.

[@txdmsk]

Your mom is.

[@NoobRideseMTB]

I don’t believe in a God - I do however believe in a collective moral code that genius humans compiled into text. Text meant for a bygone era, perhaps in need of necessary modernisation… In that we must try to inspire our youth to take a modern glance at? God is you at your best, god is me when I aim to be a higher person - god is a collective spirit that we all might want to aspire towards. The idea that there is a man in the sky just doesn’t fit with the scientific world - it could be considered as pie in the sky as being a [woke] two spirit fudge cake. 👍