The Death Penalty (feat. Anne Boleyn)

[@hootsyoutube]

Like, comment, and subscribe or it's off with your heads. 🙃🖤👀💀

[@bookbook9495]

Hey there! Great video- heads up that this is SO algorithmically supressed

[@TheLeftistCooks]

So proud to be a part of this one. Proud of you. It's an absolute triumph. Keep writing good parts for yourself! Oh, and you argue a good case too!

[@colonelweird]

Hey Neil! KZbin just decided to show me another of your videos, 8 months after the last one, and I saw you mentioned Little Hoot, so I watched this video. Both channels are great! It really does help when you guys promote one another. Now I have a real backlog of videos to catch up on...

[@TheLeftistCooks]

Frank that's so good of you to say! Sometimes we can get all caught up trying to help out our friends because it's the right thing to do and love and praxis BUT it can be worrying with regards to "doing the algorithm wrong" So I feel super vindicated in my tactic of lifting all ships. Thank you.

[@DavidLindes]

@@TheLeftistCooks sail on, good cook. :D

[@thaliairis]

You even got the color of her execution gown right, I am living for it

[@hootsyoutube]

I was waiting for someone to notice this. 🖤☺️

[@DavidLindes]

@@hootsyoutube hootkootoor for the win!

[@spameranne]

just clicked on the vid and am so pleased by that detail

[@Pixelsmixel]

like analysing DNA, this too, was art. clap clap clap clap

[@DontMockMySmock]

“Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement.” -the O.G. (original Gandalf)

[@jemolk8945]

For some time, I have held the position that whether or not some people deserve to die is immaterial. Some people may, yes. In fact, some definitely do. But giving them what they deserve does not make the world a better place; incapacitating them will, certainly, but killing them once they've been rendered helpless can only make the world worse due to its effects on the rest of us, the non-monsters, and that is more important than any question of what someone deserves. "Some who live deserve death, and many who die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Then do not be too quick to mete out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends." -- Gandalf, on the fate of Gollum.

[@kalehsaar]

i wholeheartedly agree on the sentiment that we should act not on what we personally want to do to the perpetrator, but on what will ultimately be the most beneficial for the most people possible - at least to the extent of our limited ability to assess such things. but i'd argue that the matter of "deserving" capital punishment is not only _not_ immaterial to the question of whether or not it should be employed, but is, basically, the very same question. cause what people "deserve" isn't some kind of cosmic law we have no control over - it's we ourselves, who collectively decide which actions "deserve" which consequences. and while it's only natural to desire to inflict violence on whoever inflicted it on you (directly or indirectly through harming someone or something you value) it's not the only possible way it could ever be. in fact, we act against our "natural" impulses all the time - and not just due to their impracticality, but due to our honest belief in other courses of action. what i'm saying, we don't do that for, say, equal rights. we don't say "wether or not all people deserve equal rights is immaterial, but we should still act, like if they do, to make the world a better place". and i mean, it's, in a way, a valid point, not arguing that. and i certainly can appreciate the elegance of disentangling the question of utilitarian function of the judicial system from messy implications of overarching moral dilemmas. but doesn't it feel kinda redundant though? at this point, why not cut out the middleman and not just assume everyone deserves equal rights/not to die, if it's all the same to the end result? cause, for one, it does emphasize the gap between what's considered "just" and what the judicial system actually does, which, in turn, delegitimizes the system itself. when people strongly believe perpetrators "deserve" one thing, and the system repeatedly gives them another, it either undermines trust in the system (and promotes resorting to other means of settling scores) or ultimately leads to the system being changed to reflect people's beliefs. hence, addressing that initial beliefs is probably crucial for any long-term success. and the other thing is, the very reasoning behind justifying capital punishment is essentially the one behind justifying a lot of crime itself. people constantly do all kinds of horrible things and still consider themselves in the right by simply believing the ones they do those things to are "deserving" it. so it seems to me like we're not addressing the root cause of people arguing for the death penalty by leaving the issue of "deserving" off the table. and to be clear: while i like to consider this take "the bigger picture" of sorts, i'm not implying that it's inherently a better approach to the topic - or even a particularly useful one, for that matter. i'd just like offer another perspective to consider.

[@jemolk8945]

@@kalehsaar I certainly hear you. My feeling on the matter is that the question of what is deserved is one that is very difficult to argue, because it's fairly vague and nonspecific. You can certainly argue as you have here, and I'd largely agree, but there are plenty of people who won't. But regardless of whether we can reach an agreement on whether someone deserves to die, it should be rather difficult to claim that the death penalty makes society better, given all the evidence against it. And if you can persuade someone that it's not a good idea for other reasons, then they are more likely to shift to the position that someone does not deserve to die either. Basically, I'm approaching the question from the exact opposite direction you are deliberately, because I think it's likely to work better.

[@kalehsaar]

@@jemolk8945 yeah, that's the "elegance" i was referring to. we do need a consensus here, and on the basis of a larger-than-life theorizing on morality it ain't gonna happen any time soon. i'm not implying yours is a lesser argument by any means. the only two minor issues i have with it are, firstly, that i'm yet to find it more convincing on practice. people with opposing views kinda tend to "see through it" in my experience (not like i have a ton of it though). they quickly bounce back and argue that upholding the standards of moral justice is, in fact, more beneficial to the society, than whatever gains mercy may or may not entail. at which point it becomes painfully obvious, that we disagree on the very subject of what "better" actually is. cause people do often see a criminal being killed as a genuinely better thing for the society at large, that's their whole point. and here we've come full circle to arguing morals again. and secondly, it was just the word "immaterial", that rubbed me the wrong way. not that i didn't get what you're getting at, but i still felt temped to clarify, that while it don't have to be the focus of the argument, the question of moral conviction is ultimately an underlying one and it inevitably impacts our judgement on the matter whether we like it or not. all in all, i didn't mean it as a superior take or anything, just wanted to put out there a couple of thoughts i felt relevant to the point you've provided.

[@jemolk8945]

@@kalehsaar Good points all around here. My inclination for how I would argue my position to those who disagree would be to ask whether they would prefer more murders but the murderers who are caught suffer, or less murders, given that the data shows that violent crime goes up, rather than down, when someone is executed by the state. I only spoke of things being generically "better" here because I figured since we already largely agreed, it was functional shorthand. Sorry for the confusion that caused. You're also right, immaterial was not really the word I should have used here. It _is_ a useful word to push right-wingers into having to actually discuss the data or tacitly admit they cannot, but this is not that context, and in this one, it definitely was the wrong term to use.

[@that_nao]

some people might deserve to die. no people deserve to make that decision.

[@persbaderse]

the green screen!! dramatic readings!!! she said BUDGET!!! she said THEATER!!!! she said ETHICS!!!!!!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@mehlover]

Love the ending, so haunting

[@sugar_walls]

taking a short break from hades because my cat won't stop jumping at the screen (she is very helpful) and this pops up, quite nice

[@123critch]

Hootman, Farrell, and Conrad. What a crew baybee!!

[@silversam]

This might be the best of your videos I've seen yet

[@kimmertrolinger269]

Yay! I’m new from Neil’s channel

[@TheLeftistCooks]

You won't regret this decision.

[@TheProject1228]

Fantastic as always. The mention of the West Memphis three was unexpected. I have personal history with that case.

[@hootsyoutube]

Really?

[@TheProject1228]

@@hootsyoutube It's second hand exposure at best. After high school I worked in West Memphis at Roller-Citizens funeral home. A few members of the staff hand been involved with the case. Conversations and discussion about it went poorly every time I attempted. That town is a scar on the face of Arkansas.

[@BotheredBoy]

Verily, thou art cancelled.

[@skabbonica]

You have gotten better and better. This is a truly fantastic work. Clever, interesting, important, attention-grabbing, with just enough gallows humor. Just absolutely nailed it. Your work deserves recognition far in excess of what many larger channels get.

[@earlofsandwich2850]

Wow.. what an ending! Well done. Bravo and Salud

[@TheCardgameWriter]

Little Hoot and Liberal Cook one after another? Today's a great day!

[@TheLeftistCooks]

It's a good old-fashioned matinee!

[@TheCardgameWriter]

Leftist Politics Double Feature Night? (Which also makes me ponder an "All Breadtube" Version of Rocky Horror Picture Show..)

[@DavidLindes]

@@TheCardgameWriter oh my goodness, the possibilities!

[@MainelyMandy]

She's baaaack!

[@UtterlyMuseless]

I feel like I've been repeatedly punched in the heart. Thank you. ♥

[@vampirechick1159]

Your acting is spellbinding

[@sarah_cook]

Absolute triumph of a video.

[@Fintago]

Oh boy! What a hoot!

[@QuivaRPG]

Every time "Oh my god, this is the best video you've ever made," you go and top it. How do you DO that?!?

[@Telecritter78]

No human or system is infallible, and most criminal justice systems far less so. Just makes sense to not have punishments you can’t ever take back or reverse.

[@LegalKimchi]

yeah... this was really good. wow.

[@skhootman]

If we shadows have offended, Think but this, and all is mended: That you have but slumber'd here. While these visions did appear. - William Shakespeare for "Shut the fuck up. It's a youTube Video."

[@phangkuanhoong7967]

This is so good I wish it was longer.

[@VinceWhitacre]

I was literally thinking yesterday, maybe this morning, how I hadn't seen a Little Hoot video in a while. Then BAM, Caelan and Harker drop a link. ...yeah, I hadn't seen a vid for a while because I forgot to subscribe. OOPSIE. This error has been rectified.

[@lyndat8355]

I, wisely, took the advice of . . . . the lovely woman who made your gorgeous dress . . . and watched this video. I'm not easy to impress but this was freaking brilliant. Great job.

[@johndowson1852]

Title card halfway into the video

[@thunder-san1377]

Just commenting to say how much I love the B initial necklace. It looks so anachronistic but it's what she wore in her most famous portrait and it might be my favourite piece of historical clothing.

[@blakebodenreider]

It's criminal that this channel only has 5k subscribers. I have encouraged everyone I know to watch and subscribe, but, I only know like 11 people...

[@sentientbakedziti]

Fantastic work. You're "killing" the game! Proud of you!

[@TheBrett1890]

very moving

[@spameranne]

Anne Boleyn is one of my long-time historical fascinations and the care you put into this video is really really moving. I'm the kind of person who sometimes can't listen to "Six" without crying because the history is so sad. just came upon your channel and am working through your catalog. your work is great :)

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

"Six"?

[@nathanseibold3819]

Excellent work as usual. You have a talent for making the crude seem subtle.

[@morgansearle3912]

'Hootkootoor' is an incredible name. And the video is very cool, I agree with all your arguments against the death penalty; I think asphyxiation on inert gas is more humane, though - You just kinda fall unconscious and don't wake up, without struggling and choking, or so I'm told. Capital punishment is still not acceptable, but perhaps it's a humane method of euthanasia?

[@skabbonica]

I actually said this to my wife during the video. Our bodies recognize a buildup of carbon dioxide as suffocation, not a lack of oxygen. Any noble gas at 100% would kill humanely with no panic/sense of suffocation. It happens in basements where heavy gasses have built up that offset the oxygen, and there's no sign the victims knew anything was wrong. The suffering is NOT an unsolvable problem.

[@skabbonica]

Just to be clear, I'm anti death penalty, but the fact that this solution isn't even considered is more proof that the suffering is part of the design.

[@DavidLindes]

I was loving that credit as well. :) And as someone who has attempted suicide via Helium, but aborted, I'll say this: my lungs felt no pain while I was in that environment. My thought processes are harder to say that of, but then, I was suicidal because I was in great anguish already. I do think it would be possible (and even ethical) to study this within the context of euthanasia, even in humans, where it otherwise already occurs. For humans, they could be given a button to press to indicate discomfort, and be on an EEG... etc. Also, I see no reason why this method couldn't be administered during sleep.

[@skabbonica]

@@DavidLindes I'm very glad you aborted the attempt. I hope you're feeling significantly better today.

[@nancyh4889]

@@skabbonica as am I. I hurt for you, David.

[@nancyh4889]

Holy CRAP, Amanda!

[@lynpotter6471]

That last bit was Unsettling

[@toethumbghost]

glad to have been recommended this :)

[@nerdler]

Excellent video

[@LukeFromLasVegas]

Wonderful video. +1 💖

[@lolly9804]

I'm more of a get throttled to death by a silk rope wielded by a muscular man, kinda gal. At least in that scenario I have a slim chance of running away from my executioner, and don't have the indignity of a jeering crowd of peasants.

[@Akiliana]

That ending gave me chills. ❤

[@PeaceLoveAndGuns]

Wow, that last bit was pretty powerful.

[@wookieehugger]

You rock. I continue to love your work keep it up!

[@Notveryimpressed]

A fine collection of co-conspirators as well as great work.

[@tristartist]

May you be blessed by the algorithm. Great topic and execution

[@pigeonpower42]

this is very good

[@timaal5897]

Such a captivating video!! The way you talk, your humor, the vibes of the video are all top tier, I'm so excited to see more of you!!🥰🥰🥰

[@WhatsTherapy]

awesome video

[@sphinxc0re]

Magnificent! What an ending!

[@dl-zf9dj]

the audio sounds great!!!!

[@Dosisgreat]

Fantastic and moving 👏

[@vanon1158]

This is so well made, I'm in awe! Keep up the great work :D

[@Headpfones]

Witnesses say that after Queen Ann's head was cut off her lips were still moving while she was saying her final prayers

[@monoko1992]

I love your videos I AM OBSESSED!!!

[@Rocketboy1313]

This is fun. And I realize how strange a descriptor that is for subject matter so sad and Macabre. But you are fun.

[@JuuuDantas]

This was gorgeous

[@nicholaszacharewicz693]

Incredible! 👏👏👏

[@ImminentAl]

I was going to ask if Mary Queen of Scots has been born yet but I’ll shut up now

[@TheCstar07]

Freaking amazing! So glad for the recommendation that brought me here.

[@socialist_audiophile]

Excellent video!

[@Proctor_Conley]

Damn fine video! Bravo!

[@rudetuesday]

I don't have a decent-enough array of fine things to say about this video. Thanks for taking such care to balance complexity about the topic with not leaving this viewer in the figurative weeds.

[@uriahhammock3731]

God I love talking about death

[@DavidLindes]

I trust you're familiar with Caitlin Doughty? If not, get the to the _Ask A Mortician_ channel post haste!

[@Judasziege]

Simple but effective "set".

[@boltslater]

Chills.

[@robottuba]

Outstanding. Have you ever seen Dancer in the Dark with Bjork? I don't want to do spoilers but I was reminded of it.

[@DavidLindes]

Hmmm, I'm trying to remember that one... I've seen it, and have some recollection of the general mood, and some scenery, and that I thought it was well done... alas, the rest is vague. But I think I probably would recommend, based on what little I do remember.

[@horatiopelagius8703]

It's weird to see such high quality content get so few views. If you do some videos on big catchy questions I can see you getting hundreds of thousands of views a video.

[@xXaspie62Xx]

This shit is high art, only 8k views is a crime

[@bryanbassett2110]

O Death Rock Me Asleep goes fucking hard. Anyone who hasn't heard it should check it out. Haunting and beautiful

[@AtomicBananaPress]

Commenting to keep the Mummy dialogue alive!!!

[@DavidLindes]

Nice video! If I'm ever to die by artificial means, I'd like it to be by way of oxygen displacement with an inert gas (e.g. helium), perhaps via the likes of a CPAP mask (a natural fit for me, since I use one to sleep anyway -- it could even be administered while I sleep, to further reduce likelihood of pain). As far as I can tell, a painless experience. Less quick than some options, but not a source of pain... though of course, I don't know what pain a brain or neural system might generate in final stages. A few more specific response thoughts follow: 8:07 - I'm certainly willing to consider such a proposition! I'm not certain I'd avoid it in all instances (more on that below), but I certainly agree that in many-to-most instances, when perpetrated by the state, it's bad. (When perpetrated directly by, for example, the abused spouse (re 14:52), there are of course potential concerns, but mostly, I'm ok with it.) 14:57/15:10 - Hmmm, no. I don't think "justice" (important as that concept is) is a standard by which we can adjudicate whether execution is an appropriate measure. I think instead, the measure we want is whether it prevents future harms to society that (a) are grave, _and_ (b) are ones we don't currently have an alternative method to reasonably prevent. In particular, I'm thinking it _might_ be appropriate in situations of effective manipulators, who might be predicted to talk their way out of other confinements, or control people from within them, or whatever. The sadistic sociopaths of the world... be they serial killers or politicians or capitalist tycoons. The sorts of people that get sentences like this written about them (from Wikipedia): "[Ted] Bundy was regarded as handsome and charismatic, traits that he exploited to win the trust of victims and society." ... not that all of these people have all of these characteristics, but folks like Bundy, Bezos, Trump, the Koch brothers, Musk... folks that either directly kill dozens, or indirectly kill thousands or millions, and, in many cases, get fame and fortune in the process. These are the folks that society should consider the possibility of executing... not to punish them (more below), but to protect the general interests of society. 15:41 - Yeah, that's more the kinds of thing I'm talking about. 16:21 - Again, this is a metric that's insufficient in my mind. Perhaps it will feel good, but that should never be the reason we do it. Similarly, "punishment" shouldn't be a factor. Amongst the living, punishment almost never really works to stop a behavior (and stopping a behavior (or set of behaviors) is the goal, in my mind), and if one is executing someone? Well, executing stops the behaviors, and that's the one potential upside of it[0]. Simply protecting society in general from those that care not for social norms and rules (in particular, the non-trivial ones), and will employ deceptive practices to evade being held to them. That's the one case in which I think it can be justified to have it be done by society (as opposed to the aggrieved individual, which I consider a separate topic, see above for _partial_ thoughts on that). Even mass murder that someone's not deceptive about may not require this... simply confine the person. It's when they'll deceive to enable an ability to offend again that I see it as potentially being reasonable. Not that there aren't still difficulties in determining whether this is the case. [0] For more on getting rid of unwanted behaviors, see Karen Pryor's _Don't Shoot the Dog_ - a book about more than training, that presents 8 methods of getting rid of undesired behaviors. Pryor generally prefers one avoid what she calls "Method 1: Shoot the animal", and I concur, as general practice. However, I think it's worth noting that, as Pryor says, method 1 _works_ - unlike method 2 (punishment), and with other methods being quite variable, depending on a number of factors. Anyway, that's about where I am on things. Sounds like we might differ a bit, and that's ok. If you've read all this, though, I'm grateful for it. :)

[@twistysunshine]

I think it truly is difficult to get people to understand that we shouldn't do things just bc we feel about them. I definitely Feel that some people should he dead. I don't know that I would be on board with the state killing them. Or even someone else killing them.

[@Kalkipikaia]

Wonderful video. I love your channel!

[@danielpirone8028]

Damn!!!! Fantastic!!!

[@snaggletoothed13]

Love the video. Hope you were able to move from that bad apt.

[@PrettyTranslatorSarahMoon]

Good job, queen!

[@stephenwilliams163]

Well done. Subscribed

[@dl-zf9dj]

yes yes yes

[@Q269]

5:30 just gather everyone around under the rockets we fire into space. That's gotta be the best method.

[@totorod]

Strong video!

[@rhymebeat1142]

Six references FTW!

[@agoosed3281]

Holy. Shit.

[@christopherelizabeth503]

this video was a big fucking hoot

[@arturo182]

👑

[@NickLavic]

Greensleeves? I've always associated that tune with Christmas, so it feels a bit strange hearing it in a video about the death penalty.

[@THATGuy5654]

I did not know that about lethal injection... love that my tax dollars are going towards that. Feeeeelllssss GREAT. 😬

[@aboomination897]

Holy shit, the outfit

[@nancyh4889]

The outfit she's wearing? Not to brag, but her mother made that 🙂

[@aboomination897]

@@nancyh4889 Good job, mom!

[@nancyh4889]

@@aboomination897 LOL. Thanks!

[@MrZauberelefant]

Why did I see this so late??!?

[@courtneybermack]

This strongly reminds me of Jonny Cash singing 25 Minutes To Go.

[@MikeFromOz]

Pixelsmixel sent us ❤

[@brucetucker4847]

Capital punishment under the Tudors was more an instrument of state policy than of justice, and everyone understood that. No one was executed or probably even imprisoned for adultery that didn't involve the queen. Poor Margaret Pole was executed for having too much Plantagenet blood in her veins as well as having a son who was involved in intrigues against Henry VIII but was outside the country and beyond his reach.

[@MartinGrendele]

Where is that Anne monologue from??? ❤

[@MWB_FoolsParadisePictures]

I don't think justice should be looked at like, "What does the perp deserve?" I doubt whether someone "deserving" a bad thing as punishment is even a thing. I think that idea would require the field of human psychology supporting the notion that systems of punishment are the most effective and ethical ways to reform prisoners and improve society and the overall quality of life therein...and many psychologists doubt this notion thanks to new(ish) research. I think punishment in general is just more of the "it feels good for us to hurt them," combined with the hope of making an example that creates a deterrent. I think, rather than punishment, justice is much more a question of, "What, at minimum, does the rest of the world need to have happen to this person in order to keep us from being further harmed by them and to help us heal from their actions?" I think after this question is addressed, we can ask ourselves, "What, according to modern human psychology, is the most humane way to effectively reform/heal this person?" And we don't have to get caught up in whether we're "punishing them hard enough." Ideally, this ideology/approach would significantly reduce if not eliminate the death penalty. My two cents. Open to discussion.

[@M.M.83-U]

Impressive! An excellent video. In case I will choose morphine overdose.

[@digitalbrentable]

next do whether imprisoning people is ethical

[@hootsyoutube]

That would have been the hour long version of this video.

[@Lycandros]

👍🏼👍🏼

[@robotanon]

phenomenal. comment to boost alg