The DEEPER MEANING of "LOSER BABY"... (Angel Dust Analysis)

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Hazbin Hotel’s brilliant exploration of the most agonizing mental health struggles is INSPIRING. Angel Dust, Husk, and even Charlie’s treatment of these delicate topics is insightful, thorough, and nuanced -- all summed up in the brilliant finale of LOSER BABY.
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0:00 - 2 questions
3:04 - the REAL problem
10:13 - "It's NOT an ACT"
13:34 - Squircle's answer
17:36 - "Just like me"
24:35 - "You're a loser"
30:12 - writing about mental health

[@schnee1]

Big thanks to Squircle for helping me develop these ideas! If you're a Fallout fan, go watch her video about the parallels between Lucy and the Ghoul! kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKvOpmBvnaeMY9U

[@anastasiagamgoneishvili]

Love your content your analysis is very interesting! Keep up the good work man❤

[@EvaLoVerde]

❤

[@hasanak4896]

Is alastor the opposite of angel?

[@MeuFilho-EL]

Agency, meaning purpose. Different topics. Reality is devastating and ruthless.... hence, the pursuit of agency and the acceptance of lack of agency dictate behaviour. Feels = meaning Thinks = purpose Now... sexuality is female's main weapon against reality... and all following strenghts and weakness. Competition is main male's weapon against reality... Therefore, to solve "angel's problems", he must chose the correct agency to the correct circustance.... Man up and bulk up... or find someone to do that for him. Sorry... harsh words... but true nonetheless. Godspeed

[@frog_jacket]

hello! i absolutely love how your analysis always give me a better understanding as well as a bigger appreciation of the story you analyze! do you think you could do an analysis of the massive argument at the end of the most recent Helluva boss episode? i feel like there’s a lot more to it then what was seen at first glance

[@alliliciousanimations8727]

"Just because its an act doesnt mean its fake" absolutely powerful

[@citrineshark9240]

i loved that line, because as an actor, sometimes your best scenes come from the heart or from experience.

[@venomnoms]

as a hypersexual sa survivor … this was free therapy to me. I’ve loved your videos since arcane and this was really good, I really want to analyze media as meticulously as you do someday.

[@LostProxyNevermore]

There are so many of us but few too many people who understand why we become like this.. it’s literally our brains trying to survive

[@jennypagan6120]

​@@LostProxyNevermore Exactly

[@dissofosho333]

@@LostProxyNevermore why do a lot of you traumatise others then? you cuckold us, abuse, cheat, make us feel insecure, sleep with horrible people, believe in feminism despite sleeping with horrible people and hurting the real ones while you let yourself get used by the horrible people and then say shit like "all men are horrible" then use your mantra angainst the reaal ones. Im drunk and upset, im sorry for ranting

[@sand_eater101]

I was SA’ed as a kid and became hypersexual as a result. I didn’t tell any grown-ups due to shame and the belief that had indirectly been planted in my head by others that no one would care. I began harming others the same way I was harmed, specifically one person I was close to, not knowing that it was wrong because I hadn’t told anyone. Although I’ve healed from the incident itself and the bullying, what happened to me and what I did to others still sticks to me to this day. I wasn’t scarred by the fact that I even became hypersexual, but it was the fact that I was too young to know what consent was and fumbled in my desperate search for the limit, hurting people the same way I was hurt in the process. I needed to vent a little, a hope anyone who reads this has a great day/night❤️

[@jennypagan6120]

@@sand_eater101 geez dude I'm sorry that happened.. I know how you feel tho.. I was molested by my own father for three years.. I don't even know how old I was when that happened I think I was like.. 12-14 years old? It sucks that I had to go through that..

[@JoULove]

I read "it's not an act!" as "it's the only defence I have and it's not voluntary". Like, he doesn't choose to fall back on flirting and sex, it's something that he's conditioned to do and it's what keeps him safe (emotionally, except obviously it's not actually working).

[@jamie-1608]

It seemed like the sort of masking that autistic people do just more trauma related.

[@ididnosuchthing345]

It’s that horrible part where he knows he’s pretending to want it, but it became such a part of him that it deluded him into believing he actually wanted what happened to happen. And that’s scary.

[@litterlyjusttj]

there’s is metaphor psychology called the crap cocoon. Its gose like this: We stay stuck in our shit because we know it, we’ve faced it before, and we know how to deal with it even if it’s unhealthy, it can keep coming back over and over again and we know how to get ride of it temporarily over and over again. We keep our self stuck in our own shit bc it’s warm and comfortable and we know it because we have made this shit for our selfs or made this cycle of bad habits. But none the less we are still sitting and laybing down in a pile of shit and once we get out of it it’s cold and unfimilar which is returns cause relapsing… I think this applies to angle, he doesn’t like his porn star job, he doesn’t like his distractive behaviors, but he knows them he knew them when he was alive he knows them now that he’s in hell, it’s familiar, so he keeps coming back to it

[@lilithstenhouse267]

To me, the most poignant part of Angel Dust's arc was that he, as a victim of abuse, consistently makes people uncomfortable by coming onto them so aggressively, even when they tell him no. His concept of boundaries has been destroyed, and as such he in turn violates the boundaries of others. This 'cycle' of abuse is incredible writing, and completely flipped my opinion of angel dust's character and the writers'.

[@ChelCM03]

Ep 4 was definitely the strongest in the series so far. Not to mention Blake Roman's STELLAR performance as Angel, I can't wait till he blows up and becomes a huge super duper mega star

[@GreenWormJello]

It’s honestly crazy to me that people hate on him because he’s a different VA from the pilot episode. Straight from Broadway school, this is his debut role and he gives the performance of a lifetime as a New York gangster sexy spider-twink. It’s amazing how he brings the character to life.

[@vickypedia1308]

​@@GreenWormJello I don't keep up with the VAs so reading that Angel is his debut role is wild. He absolutely nails the performance!

[@EnderHasEntered]

I actually really appreciate Husk offering Angel a drink. It seems crazy and counterproductive, but it's actually genius. Husk knows Angel needs something and that he's been seeking that something in people who are going to hurt him. By Husk offering that drink, it means Angel can get wasted where he's _safe_. It's something I think is really important in helping someone out of self-destructive habits. Getting them to stop it completely is near impossible, but if you show them they can be safe somewhere, you can slowly help them to wean away from it.

[@solsystem1342]

Importantly husk offers *a* drink. Presumably at the hotel where no one who wants to take advantage of angel can enter. Really what Husk is offering is a more healthy form of engaging with alchohol than getting wasted and knowingly engaging with places where people are allowed to drug you. It's pretty cool imo.

[@hohoho5560]

I love this so much, this is perfect thank you

[@Sqwivig]

This is literally what safe injection sites are for in other countries and it's been a massive success in getting people sober. America needs to adopt the same program if we want to help addicts instead of just throwing them in jail to rot.

[@oddaceisodd.]

I LOVE this deep dive. Too many times have I heard people get "Loser, baby" COMPLETELY WRONG. Edit: thank you 930 people who agree with me 😂 Edit Again: Correction, 1,000 people

[@schnee1]

what do they say?

[@oddaceisodd.]

@@schnee1 I've heard people take the song as Husk basically making fun of Angel and literally calling him a loser. I've also seen people call Poison glorification of abuse and purely for shock value rather than real feelings people in situations like Angel's have. I remember reading a post someone made where they said they didn't like Husk because he was "dismissing Angel's feelings." (Also, perhaps saying "too many times" is hyperbole, I've just heard it enough times that I get annoyed thinking about it😭)

[@schnee1]

@@oddaceisodd. UGH noo this hurt to read!! 💀ok now im even more happy i added my take to the discourse

[@oddaceisodd.]

@@schnee1 It hurt to write too😭 It gets me so riled up when people don't see the deeper meaning and are so confidently incorrect.

[@jacobstevens7046]

​@@oddaceisodd.Reading comprehension is in decline, and therefore media literacy as well. It's sad.

[@ronaldsimon1726]

'"You're not a bad actor, you just have a bad script."

[@JackoDaGreat]

You’re also forgetting the other part of what Husk says to Angel: “Baby, that’s fine by me”. Husk sees Angel Dust’s self destructive behavior and says “I like you anyway” and doesn’t expect him to change. Charlie at first expects Angel Dust to change in a specific way ( as seen by the play she writes in an earlier episode). That’s a big part of why Husk gets through to him in a way that Charlie doesn’t.

[@derpiedoxie]

Not gonna lie, I seriously think this is your best analysis that I’ve seen from you The way it dives into every nook and cranny of not only Angel dusts life, but also his coping mechanisms and how they both influence eachother, and then perfectly identify what exactly husk is doing with “loser baby” is not only perfectly comprehensive, but also handled in an amazing way! Well done, Schnee!

[@schnee1]

Thanks!! I am really really pleased with the ideas here 😃

[@derpiedoxie]

@@schnee1 You absolutely should be! :D

[@redroseibarahime8755]

@@schnee1 it is your best video because you explain this serious topic in such an easy to understand way. I hope this goes viral and helps a lot of people to understand addiction and the masking and coping mechanisms and therefore encourages people to extend a careful helping hand for victims instead of just abandonning them.

[@alittelbifurious]

I remember seeing something Vivzie or one of her writers saying that they were going to have the most care with Angel's arc because he deals with the most traumatic things that are sadly rooted in reality. It's impossible to handle something like this with only grace and nothing else but I do feel like Vivzie and her team did a great job handling this arc. I'd argue that's why this arc is so well written compared to the rest of the show

[@lookai2]

19:20 I think there's also one more element towards why "I've been there too. It sucks." makes someone in a potentially hopeless situation feel better. Because it actually shows that the situation isn't hopeless. The "BEEN there" is key here. The other person was in the same situation you are currently in, but they managed to escape it. Which means that you have a chance at escaping too. The other person, consciously or subconsciously has an idea as to how escape the circumstances you are in. So by sticking with them maybe you will figure out how to do that too and that brings something that people in those kinds of situations need most. Hope. They have a rope with which they can climb out of the hole they are currently in and what's better the rope is actively reaching out towards them (i.e. the person who knows how to help you also wants to help you).

[@sydneygorelick7484]

Yeah! BEEN there, past tense, instead of "is also there," and therefore they have gotten past it!

[@imachair4681]

And i think, for me at least, the “it sucks” part is important. Because a lot of times when people try to empathize, they end up just dismissing your issue unintentionally. The difference between “I’ve been there, it sucks” and simply “you aren’t alone” or things like that. When I hear that others are going through the same thing, it just makes me feel worse because then I’m the one at fault for not dealing with it better. But acknowledging that the situation sucks and that you are allowed to feel bad makes it feel a lot better in my experience

[@alexelion7084]

@@imachair4681 You've put that into words so well! I have ADHD and am really struggling with life right now and a lot of the time people will tell me that everyone struggles with the things I struggle with or tell me things that might help and it feels so invalidating. I can't be feeling like I'm not made for this life because of things everyone struggles with. And the practical tips feel dismissive as well because it's just another way of saying "you're not trying hard enough". Having someone just validate that your life sucks right now feels so freeing in a way, it's like FINALLY someone understands

[@litterlyjusttj]

I couldn’t agree more and i would love to add on! On top of I’ve been there to and that empathy that comes with that instead of sympathy, is so crucial. And i feel like it is the distinction between Empathy and Sympathy that is what makes this sence so impactful. Empathy is being able to connect with someone circumstantially and through similar experience that produce similar emotions, Sympathy on the other hand is just being able to listen and see how to them that would suck with out connecting yourself. And that is what is so important! that is what makes it so amazing. Husk could have said yeah your a loser but that’s what makes you strong but instead he said i’m a loser just like you and we can eat shit together maybe things will turn out differently! AAAA

[@patchpatch4008]

I honestly believe Episode 4 is so well done. Angel Dust / Anthony is one of my favorite characters and was long anticipating how they would portray just how messed up his life is while being under Valentino's thumb. It does such a good job of getting into the persona and act of Anthony and really fleshing out his personality while acting upon a red hot stage that is surviving the worst kinds of abuse.

[@litterlyjusttj]

and that’s a part of this show that i feel like is very undercooked. Everyone’s NAMES! They have the “act” the Angle Dust and then you have Anthony. Anthony some one so stuck and broken that they landed in hell, and those actions that trauma has consumed him into the after life making him angle dust, and making that his whole identity. A poison, a drug, and a problem. This part and aspect of the show is crimaly underrated to me

[@stray_editori]

I'm impressed that despite being thrown off by the "how about that drink?" line, you were able to grasp it by analyzation! I just intuitively got the difference of "drinking out of misery" vs drinking bc the mood is alr better, and idk if I would be able to make it click so well on a purely analytical perspective. Great video! Most of this was intuitively in my perception but it's really cool getting that out into words and analysis! Episode 4 was so peak, it's truly fascinating. I think it might be exactly because its such a touchy subject that a lot of care was put into doing it right, and that's why other parts of the story feel lackluster compared to it. (i am a fan of the show but as mentiond ep4 is definitely a standout) I think another really cool, but personal, thing about loser baby is that Husk doesn't... soften it. Its not the typical "aww its ok ive been there, itll get better, just believe!!" angle, but the focus is on the companionship and VALIDATION of the feeling. its the "yeah it SUCKS but I'll keep you company (at rock-bottom) if you want" that spoke to me personally. And probably also to Angel because his role used to be the opposite of that, as you analyized.

[@botanicalitus4194]

As someone who has depression and feels so hopeless sometimes, loser baby really helps make me feel less alone and gives me hope. Idk why so many people are hell bent on misinterpreting it as Husk saying "get over it lul" when its clearly not that case

[@alexelion7084]

It's literally the opposite of "get over it". I hope it'l get better soon and you'll find hope. I'm kinda in a similar situation, in my case my ADHD is making me depressive. You are definitely not alone with this

[@mildlyobesegoat7262]

I find it wrong for the opposite reason. In my eyes, husk basically says that Angel should stop trying to change anything about himself, that he should instead embrace being the degenerate he is, which is the hardcore opposite of the message a show like this should be giving to its audience. When you’re struggling with addiction, you need discipline in your life, not validation

[@alexelion7084]

@@mildlyobesegoat7262 Did you even watch the video? Sometimes you can't "discipline your life" for one reason or another. Angel depends on the unhealthy coping mechanisms to survive, they hurt him but not having them hurts him more. And Husk doesn't tell Angel to "stop trying", for that Angel had to try in the first place which he doesn't. Validation isn't enough in the long run, but it's the first step that makes everything else possible. And this step is so underestimated! Angel needs to love himself at his worst so he can believe he is worthy of becoming his best - and able to become his best. How do you expect someone to work up the discipline to better themselves if they don't feel like they are worth fighting for? I don't have an addiction the way it's portrayed with Angel but I do have my own issues and I can say from experience that shaming me or me shaming myself only leads to me wanting to give up. But if I start to believe that it's okay to struggle and to fail and to be a mess, then I get comfort and hope and these make me want to try again

[@mildlyobesegoat7262]

@@alexelion7084 As someone who also struggles with addictions, even if not nearly as drastic as Angel Dust, I respectfully disagree. I don't think validation is underestimated at all. It is very much embraced way too far in our society. Every flaw, every kink, every disorder is validated, to the point where body positivity has become a battle against scientific facts, to give an example. I've been into self improvement for a while and from what I witnessed, the only people actually making progress with their journeys were those who stopped giving themselves excuses and pushed through their inner sloth and addict holding them back. I was desperately hoping Husk would keep calling Angel Dust out on his bs like he did back in the hotel, because frankly, the dude was crossing boundaries left and right, which isn't excusable no matter what he goes through in his own private life. In Husk's place, I would've told him to stop feeling sorry for himself, turn his back on the abusive life he's living and pick up the shambles one by one. Obviously, in the confines of fiction, he's bound by a soul contract or whatever, but then again, he's literally friends with the princess of hell, and I doubt Valentino could do shit if she's standing in his way. I'm digressing though. Long story short: Yes, if you're causing yourself trouble in life with your habits or whatever, the easiest and frankly the only solution is to discipline yourself. An addiction to drugs, alcohol, smoking and sex will not just magically fade away once you start "believing in yourself" as it is depicted in Hazbin Hotel (episode 6). You have to face the ugly truth and push through it yourself.

[@solsystem1342]

​​@@mildlyobesegoat7262 What? Coming at this from a human trafficking perspective because the demonic soul-owning contracts are very in line with real world modern day trafficking even if their methods are magical instead of physical. Husk isn't saying "don't change yourself" he's saying "I know you can't escape, I can't either. I have a shoulder for you to cry on if you need it." Which is a very powerful message which applies even in the more abusive relationship angles I've seen. Plenty of people depend on their abusers financially (especially common for disabled people) and the like and therefore end up trapped even though they're not physically incapable of leaving. Idk I guess maybe consider the reality of the situation rather than just assuming that the solution to abuse is character development by the survivor. Tldr: Husk is the one to remind Angel that he has other options to get high in another episode. Idk why you think that's "encouraging degeneracy". Maybe consider also watching the whole text before commenting on its underlying messages.

[@sakurap95]

I think what makes “Poison” so impactful is that it’s a song validating the feelings of being in an abusive relationship. And if they live in hell, where could Anthony even go for help? There doesn’t seem to be any system in place, (I’m honestly surprised there’s a rehab in Hellavaboss) so the only place he can go is to be with his friends.

[@meganm.matthewslpcccgt6120]

In my headcanon, the rehab that Barbie goes to was established by somebody who maybe had similar ideas to Charlie's but more short-term (as in "get people functional" rather than "get people actually redeemed").

[@koiloylo]

@@meganm.matthewslpcccgt6120 maybe also someone with a lot less power than charlie, so they can only do it on the small-scale

[@dottysdokis]

​@@meganm.matthewslpcccgt6120 this, plus it seems to be implied the rehab in hb is for the hellborn, people who never lived as humans and never had an opportunity to get into heaven. it doesn't seem like there's any desire among the hellborn populace to go to heaven either; hell is their home, where they grew up, it's more constructive for them to improve hell itself.

[@pinkerhero]

yO this was so compassionate/caring and thoughtful~! angel's my fave, I wish I could've done more for him, but so happy I and many others got to contribute.

[@schnee1]

thanks as always!!

[@nayahanayates7778]

I love Loser Baby. At the beginning Angel is so depressed and hopeless, by the end he is singing and dancing and holding Husk's hand. It is a miracle.

[@kyuuujin]

I definitely noticed that episode 4 is really the only strong episode Hazbin has in terms of storytelling and relating to its central messaging, so I’m super glad someone did a deep dive as to why that is! Thank you!

[@Bossinette623]

The part where you opened up how Angel feels control = death/pain really hit me. He honestly thinks being controlled or someone trying to take control in a simple conversation or situation means he’d end up being hurt made me cry. It’s so sad he thinks that and I almost personally relate to it.

[@meganm.matthewslpcccgt6120]

Reminds me of something I read about neurodivergent people and "pathological demand avoidance" (also known as persistent drive for autonomy, which is the term I prefer to use). The (very) general idea is that if the person feels pushed to do something/like a demand is being placed on them, they won't do the thing - even if it's something they actually want to do - because they aren't being given a choice.

[@vinx9884]

It's really nice to finally have words to put to my own life experiences.. and my own coping mechanisms. Angel dust was the first character I've ever seen reflect that side of my self. And to see a video that accurately puts what I've been struggling to define for others into words is relieving. Cause when people try to boil the character down into fetishization they're not only missing the point but hurting the audience that needed this kind of character. You put it perfectly in the section about the trauma of control.

[@PressXForXavier]

I'm a loser just like you, then. I feel the same, I get that. But I really am 100000% behind healing. ❤

[@sprayz390]

tbh, ive never related to a character more. i’ve been in and out of abuse cycles my entire life. the thing that helps me ignore it is that act i have put on, the act of being cute, innocent, and oblivious. the very thing protecting me, is the very thing getting me into these awful situations. from grooming, to manipulation to stalking. because what was it all for, if i’m not at least pretty to look at. at least i’m wanted. sort of feeling. i think this is one of the most important parts of the show. his development, the visibility he gives not only the people who relate. but the people who don’t. it’s such a hard thing to understand. "art is meant to comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable." i saw someone say in a common section.

[@Meraxes6]

The second to last line really sums it up for me: “It’s time to lose your self-loathing, excuse yourself, let hope in, baby” this is something we all need to hear sometimes, he’s encouraging Angel to take back control of how he sees himself, how he feels on the inside despite what’s happening to him on the outside (which is out of his control).

[@iiiinkman]

all schnee content is good content

[@maryg2658]

out of all of the characters, angel dust had the most interesting and tragic story (as well as the most complex character development) to me and ugh a schnee breakdown is exactly what i need

[@cullenlatham2366]

Why offer a drink at the end? It is simple: drinking is a symptom, not the disease. Treating symptoms doesnt fix the underlying problem, and case enough of them and you remove the person's ability to adapt and cope with the issue. Heck, just the mere fact that an episode later, Angel is questioning the need for alchohol proves that it isnt substance abuse that he has an issue with, he just indulged to escape the pain. As that pain starts to fade, so does his need for his escape.

[@lolli_popples]

Loser, Baby is SO thematically consistent. What are the souls in Heaven called? Winners. If Sinners are the opposite, that intrinsically implies that Sinners lost. They are all losers from the fact that they ended up in hell. But losing and winning aren’t permanent statuses. You can play again. And when you play again you may win or lose.

[@saharalove418]

Absolutely BRILLIANT. I literally just took 5 pages of notes on this, relating it back to attachment theory, specifically avoidant attachment, and how my approach of helping my avoidant friend develop more secure attachment behaviors has ultimately been detrimental (Charlie approach). This deep dive helped me not only gain a different perspective on how my approach comes across through his eyes. The approach of re framing his behaviors to be used productively instead of as coping mechanisms or saying he's gotta abandon them completely - - 🤯 brilliant!! 👏👏👏

[@schnee1]

awesome!! here's the script if it helps! docs.google.com/document/d/1sxOixUFkYlDF1E78prwASE5C6c3Jxmc_LUYal7j-8rw/edit?usp=sharing

[@saharalove418]

Thank you!!

[@NoirRaven]

I'm at a point in my life where "sorry" and "that's rough buddy" have become trigger words. I am no longer comforted by displays of empathy. I need action, rescue, time, love, a place to stay, but no one's offering those things. They'll listen to me retraumatize myself as I explain the exact same story over and over again, but nothing more than that and I'm left drifting, even more alone than when I started. What I need is help. No the kind of "help" you get in asylums but the stuff people used to do no less than 25 years ago; hell 15 years ago! I need support against my abusers, I need a barn raising, I need a barn to move into but current gen adults don't seem to want to do that anymore. They're all overwhelmed, avoiding their problems and see stranger danger even in those they consider friends. There's no community anymore, no one willing to put in the work/time, even if I do everything humanly possible to make sure I am not a burden.

[@zzz_naptime]

I've seen so many people go on about how angel dust is a "bad representation of s/a survivors" and I think they forget that 1) there's no such thing as a "perfect survivor". there is no "right way" to react to the trauma that is plaguing your life at every second of every day BECAUSE 2) mental health IS REALLY MESSY. it can be difficult for even the most understanding people to wrap their heads around. the reason why someone does what they do is not always a quick easy answer of "oh x happens so that's why they gave x response". angel is a COMPLEX character, probably the most complex I've ever seen. in a far less complex version of Angel's arc, Charlie would of been the one to "turn him around" and give him a happy ending, have him go to heaven and finally be rid of all of his problems, everything is just fixed like clockwork. I'm really happy the writers didn't go down this route. because mental health IS messy, the solution and recovery is NOT going to be quick, clean and simple. not every survivor can leave their abusers with ease (hell angel is literally trapped in a contract with val), not every addict can just put down the bottle and be done. it takes a lot, and I think husk is the PERFECT character for angel to get through this with. husk is stuck in a contract too, he cannot quit being the hotel's bartender. and of course, while husk doesn't understand every aspect of Angel's life (such as the abuse he's suffered), he's able to stay with angel while he continues to get through this. I'm sorry for such a long comment and what I said may not even make sense. angel is a complex character that I'm still trying to fully wrap my head around. I just have a lot of thoughts regarding angel dust and his arc. I'm not saying that I think it's written perfectly, I'm saying that I think it's written better than a lot of people give it credit for.

[@tamarbeker1701]

Holy Fuck i need that kind of therapy in my life

[@schnee1]

ugh me too, we all need a husk 🥲

[@tamarbeker1701]

@@schnee1 I actually meant like your analysis of the character. That's a level of understanding I don't think real people are capable of getting from anyone other than a really good therapist

[@dazaji]

@@tamarbeker1701this is so specific and relatable, same.

[@sxlrr.brxinzz]

Didn't expect a Hazbin Hotel video, but glad to see it! ❤

[@nexesses1548]

I made a post about this recently on Reddit where I went into Angel. We have a lot of the same takes I would say, nice video. “The coping mechanisms in sex and drugs, mechanisms exploited by Val, very probably immoraly charming Angel with his pheromones added to the creation of his contract. Now being as much a slave to his addictions and his coping mechanisms as he is to Val’s contract and literal poison. Getting a dissociative disorder by experiencing a living hell even for hells standards but are forced to act like you love it while being drugged. He doesn’t even feel like he can better himself as his coping mechanisms are quite literally a job he isn’t allowed to escape from. His trauma and past are quite literally his master. His “poison” literally forced down his throat in more ways than 1, every single night. So he does the most dumb shit, making stupid choices, just because he wants to see how low he can fall. Out of self hate, out of exhaustion in actually trying, out of fear that if he cared it would break him. He does them because there is comfort in the pain and feeling like you hit the bottom, at least you can’t fall lower, right? There is an addiction in the suffering, a high only reached when you feel that low. He has an inability to differentiate between his identity and his problems. He does these things because it gives him an illusion of freedom. He flirts and puts out this persona as a way to hide who he is and how he feels. He changes how he talks, how he acts, what he says and what he does, his attitude etc. Only made easier by and harder to get out of because his dissociative disorder. Both for others and himself. For himself he pushes people away with a facade so they can’t leave for who he is. One of his biggest fears is that others see him how he sees himself. He is pushing in front of him this boundary that is literally ment to push people away, like a filter for who is allowed to talk to the real him, because if you can bare with his boundary persona the chance they push the real him away is smaller right? It’s also a symptom of SA victims to tie their sexuality to their self worth, to double down for the illusion of control, to establish some form of control over their life in the only way he know how. And for others because he tries to protect others from his hell. He tries to protect Charlie from his work, from Val, from the truth and reality of his situation. The last thing Angel would want is for Charlie to hurt herself trying to help him. So he pushes her away and he would rather be hated knowing his friends are safe than be loved while risk their safety. When it came to Val abusing him he just accepts it but when it comes to Charlie he can’t. This ties heavily into the complexity of abusive relationships too. Angel and Val is a perfect representation of an abusive relationship. The push and pull that makes you come back or simulates a feeling of addiction. Val’s narcissism, the controlling, the fear of losing control. “If you just would have listened I wouldn’t have to do this. Why would you make me do this. I give you everything, I made you, you need me.” We can see Angel trying to fight these thoughts live on screen, as somewhere he has learned to believe them at least to some degree. He talks about how he is stunning and sexy, but when he himself looks in the mirror all he sees is his black eye as a permanent reminder of how he died. He sees his golden tooth as a sign of how he is owned by Val. He sees his trauma of how he was used for this body, abused for this body, assaulted for it, and how in many ways his whole personality was reduced to his body. Even though he hates this somewhere he kinda believes it and he owns it, he leans into it, yes this is who I am and I’m good at this. Again to give that sense of control and self worth.“

[@TragicSun]

Angel seems to be building some strong themes of identity and self acceptance. In Masquerade, we discover the first piece of information from Angel’s human life in the story: His name being Anthony. Some people think that Angel Dust is just the fake persona and Anthony is his true real self… but I think it is more complicated than that. There’s not some ideal version of ourselves that we need to cling to, for better or worse you can’t go back to being that person you were in the past, what you reminisce about being isn’t who you are now. That being said, from the information we have from Vivienne (but it’s also hinted in season 1), I also suspect that most of his issues originate from back in his life, and dealing with them firsthand is going to leave Angel to confront some hurtful stuff. It’s been confirmed that for next season we’ll get to explore some human lives, and also Angel’s twin sister is 100% appearing (and there’s a cameo of his older brother in episode 8). Anthony was born obligated to participate in his father’s mafia business during a period of time when being queer was particularly dangerous, living with a total lack of freedom as a highly repressed, neglected and abused man who died from an overdose to deal with the pain. Once he ended up in hell, he had the opportunity to find some liberation and embrace it to the fullest, perhaps not in the healthiest or safest way... a strong need for validation from others while also struggling to deal with genuine intimacy. At the same time, as a closeted queer person, Angel Dust is inspiring because, from what I can tell, he is a manifestation of a queer man finally getting to have the opportunity to be utterly, totally, unapologetically himself: He’s camp! He’s fem! He crossdresses! He’s gay! He’s sexual! Angel reads to me as someone who truly LOVES the chance to embrace these things about himself, and unfortunately, such love has been abused and exploited along the way. As you said in your beautiful analysis, good acting doesn’t really equal being fake; “in every lie, there is a truth” I recently started to join a theater club because of Hazbin Hotel, and it’s helping me a lot :) Sorry for my english.

[@meganm.matthewslpcccgt6120]

Your English is spot on. Thought you ought to know. 🙂

[@eikebehrmann3493]

Firstly, brilliant analysis, agree with everything you said. I also think that it is important to see something that happens over both “poison” and “loser baby”, which is accepting and acknowledging the abuse. I see the “I’m a famous porn star and I like that” as internalised gaslighting. The thing about that kind of gaslighting is that *during* the abuse, it can be vitally important because it offers a framework that a) compartmentalises and hides a lot of pain and b) allows the victim to operate in the abusive environment; it’s a survival adaptation. This is why many abused children will say - and be completely convinced - that their parents “aren’t controlling” or “love them”. They have to believe that to survive dodge and survive the abuse. However, while it makes survival easier, it also makes it far far more difficult to get out of the abuse. Abused children will only be able to meaningfully heal when they acknowledge what has been done to them. But doing so is fucking painful, as you now have to face years and years of abuse, who’s pain has been carefully repressed. I see all the same patterns in Angel: he is convinced that the abuse and horrible coping is actually good, that it gives him value, that Only The Porn Makes Him Worth While. He Needs that belief to survive Valentino, but it traps him in abusive relationships and bad coping mechanisms. It is “Who he NEEDS to be”. When Charlie and Husk confront that internalised gaslighting, he lashes out because they are attacking the worldview that is keeping the pain at bay. “Poison” is rife with this: Angel sees that what is being done to him isn’t good, but refuses to really confront it. That is, until the very last stanza, where he finally acknowledges that he doesn’t like it. In light of this, “Loser Baby” gains a new dimension: Husk shows Angel that it’s Entirely Possible and Safe To Be A Loser. In other words, Husk offers a new, safe identity, that Angel can take on, which allows him to face his gaslighting. Simultaneously, he gets a safe and understanding person he can talk to, which undoubtedly helps him face all the shit he’s been through.

[@brown7180]

I really appreciate how well you laid this out bc kts so easy for people to misunderstand this as a shallow "we bonded over how much we suck," self-depricating moment. For me it wasn't just about reframing how yoj thought about yojrself, but about others too. Super cocky, big ego personas already know that "losers" exist, and usually they're used to looking down on them, as undeserving of any grace, empathy or compassion. Its a competitive mindset of percieved rank. By identifying yourself as a loser, when you used to be so insistant that you're a winner, you bring everything you know abojt yojrself and your own experiance into your u understanding of who a "loser" is. You recognize their humanity and complexity, and that they're just like you, and it makes it so much easier to accept the parts of yourself that conflict with your "Winner" persona or self-image, as well as connect and empathise with other "losers" and regonize the reality of it instead of the shallow narratives that only allow one part of who someone is to exist.

[@searchingfororion]

You explain this really well. I'm still amazed that people got that moment wrong *so badly.* It's strange to me. The idea of "let's be losers together" has been around for a while. (It's not *the most* common film/TV/media trope in the world, but it's been there - in that language - with characters choosing the term for themselves as a 'other people don't get it but we're in it together' type of label *since the 80s.* -) The most famous/relevant I can think of - especially since the remake was such a hit - is the main group in Stephen King's "It" that proudly called themselves "The Losers Club". There are lots of other examples, but the internet exploded when each part of the new one released in theaters and no one seemed to think it was an insult when one character said to another: "Well, it's official - you're a loser like us now."

[@smooch8234]

29:41 And if you look real close he makes sure to wait for Angel to grab his hand before dancing in the entire Loser Baby scene to make sure Angel is ok with it!

[@Constantly_Tired-ww6vk]

I think an analysis of Lucifer's character would be interesting, especially with his relationships with other characters(Lilith, Charlie, Alastor, etc.).

[@ChaiLatte666]

19:50 ish hit hard. I've always hated the whole "you're not alone" thing because, in the words of pat the bunny - its sad to know that you are not alone, and its sad to know there's no easy way out. But then you, like, actually explained it and i think for the first time in my life i get it. Because i have felt that whole "im other, and different, and pathetic, and broken." Because there really does feel like there's no light. It feels like you're the problem, like you're the one who will never be able to fix it. And I've always known on some level im not alone, but when you describe it that way it changes my mindset. I know im not alone, but i never think that the people around me might actually be dealing with the same thing. And yet they're still making it through. And i know it doesn't really work like this for angel,,, but it makes me take a step back and realize hey. Im doing pretty okay too. I'm not broken beyond repair. Im not wrong. And i really really thank you, genuinely, for making me understand that.

[@BlankPicketSign]

True Acting is "Living truthfully under imaginary circumstances" ~My acting teacher.

[@meganm.matthewslpcccgt6120]

Speaking as a mental health professional, I would love to see you take more deep dives from the angles you described near the end of this video (Angel and Charlie's relationship, the abuser characteristics of Valentino, even a line-by-line analysis of "Loser Baby"). This video was phenomenal from the perspective of someone who uses popular media therapeutically; so much so that I'm trying to figure out how to break it down into session-sized pieces for my clients who know the show.

[@annies8624]

Just out of Therapist school lol. How i saw Husk trying to help- he wasn’t trying to stop Angel using his (honestly really maladaptive) coping but getting him to recognize go is not alone and that radical acceptance of himself and situation that he too can “let hope in” even in a really shit place he’s at. Husk isn’t stoping his current addiction but using harm reduction with this because his drinking is a coping skill- not a good one but still a coping skill. He’s giving him an outlet to slowly improve internally and build his resilience rather than take away a coping skill and thing that has helped him up until this point. This last invitation to get a drink is not a drink to cope but a way to have community and companionship and share time together.

[@MrBern-ex3wq]

Hazbin Hotel is not as shallow as you probably think it is, it's just shallow on the points it's not currently exploring because... Well it's not the focus. The whole point of the show is to break shallowness, superficiality, and you can't do that if there's no surface to break. Plus with the few episodes it was given by Amazon on its first season well... It can't dive into everything. Not every show manages to be Arcane. So that's the "some reason" why Angel's story isn't shallow at all, it was one of the focal points of this season. The other focal point being world building, basically. Creating surfaces to break. I expect them to dive deeper into the surfaces it established in season 1 as it goes on, and as comms from Viv are suggesting, that looks to be where we're headed.

[@CleoneASMR]

Schnee.. I’ve seen all of your past arcane videos, enjoyed them thoroughly. You are very articulate, happy to be able listen to your voice 💜 Thank you!

[@Casey5693]

Thank you for this video! I have lived through abuse. It was emotional and sometimes physical and never sexual but I relate to Angel so much. I know what it's like to be controlled by someone so much and to endure so much crap from your family that your resilience is worn away and you believe that you are completely malformed. The ADHD and autism gave me other struggles that my family looked down on me for and still look down on me for. It made me believe I was malformed for a long time. I'm starting to truly understand I'm not now.

[@viktor2106]

this entire video made me shed tears several times, as someone who is in a similar situation as Angel it felt too real. This is such a great analysis, i cant even think of the words to say right now, but i felt like i needed to write something in this moment. For anyone going through something like or someone you know it CAN get better. I believe in all of you, companionship is very important. Thank you for this video really.

[@TragicSun]

Sharing this information just in case someone might need it at some point, but hopefully not. An "Angel Shot" is one of the most popular secret codes used in bars to inform a bartender that they are in an unsafe situation and need assistance. But I also recently learned that the club where Angel gets almost roofied is called "the black dot" which it is another code, but it also represents other things like gang affiliation or time spent in prison.

[@HappyGoldfis]

As someone from a abusive household this hurt to watch and I think I might regret watching it. I'd seen the show, I'd identified with Angel dust but hadn't really processed the whole of why. This was a beautifully written essay my friend. I think another big part of the reason why "your a loser baby baby just like me" is such a caring song is because husk KNOWS angel dust BELIEVES in his heart of hearts he is a loser, nothing, abuse and abusers especially of the sexual variety creates objectification, he is NOTHING but what he can provide. This creates a entirely different classicification for people, people with value, meaningful amazing people who you love and people like you. Nothing people. What are you useful for? Just sex, but sex is MEANINGLESS, that has no value either so you are a worthless shade of a human. When people try to reach in to this all consuming thought process, interrupt it, LIE to you, it's inherently creating a rift, they're lying to me, how can I have value. I have no value, they're trying to manipulate me THROUGH they're lies, something we've SEEN Valentino do, " I love you baby" love bombing as a form of control, so ofc your being affectionate this is a method of CONTROL how dare you, your a threat. You are part of the NOT me, the valued but also the THREATS. You can't attempt to break this easily. Your father was right, this isn't necessarily great for ADDICTION recovery but addiction is the SYMPTOM not the disease. He needs companionship who accepts him first and foremost, a human being who is NOT a threat who is NOT controlling. We see husk in the scene before try to advise against the drinking, saying no. But I think this is him realising him being a friend is more important than saying no. Angel has, CORRECTLY identified drinking as a coping mechanism he NEEDS this in a way independent entirely of addiction. Husk is engaging with AD in a way he knows he will understand, drinking with people, partying, you know this right? This is YOUR safe space, or more accurately, this is the closest thing you have to a YOU space at all. I'm not going to "lie" to you, your a loser. But your with FRIENDS. I am ACTIVELY not controlling you or trying to ( in the way attempting to change his self image would come across as) I am the same, and I am here for you regardless. You don't NEED to change because I ACCEPT you can't ( because to clarify, to change is death as plain as stopping to Angel dust, everything else is a gamble, a risk, a unproven unknown scary thing. He in his own head CANNOT, ALLOW himself to change, not just CANT, he can't ALLOW himself to change) and this line of encouraging a drink is husk inviting AD to LET husk in. Addiction is not Angel dusts issue. It's trauma and ptsd and the associated crippling isolation and suffering made by this. Thank you for this Ted talk. Said as someone with complex ptsd from a abusive drunk mother. They got Angel dust correct in ways I can't IDENTIFY, I can see him doing things I do and I can't identify why but dear lord does he hurt me to watch. Excellent video as per usual schnee

[@mkm1349]

I think it's also interestingly close to what some abusers do where they create a "safe" enviroment that is made out of unhealthy things, playing on your insecurities and normalizing step by step things to trap you and bond with you even before the actual abuse, so i guess to get out of a bottomless pit you need someone to go descend with you not try lend you a hand from the top, speak your language so to say

[@RayEarth-jh4ld]

I haven’t watched the show, but your analysis makes me think “so how about that drink” is trying to do what a supervised consumption site does

[@ForestNurse1406]

And other HUGE THANK YOU for outwrighting your thoughts on screen. So for you to know - I've screenshoted nearly every frame, so I can ran thrugh it again. To understand all of it better.

[@schnee1]

heres the script if it helps! :D docs.google.com/document/d/1sxOixUFkYlDF1E78prwASE5C6c3Jxmc_LUYal7j-8rw/edit?usp=sharing

[@cillacowz2668]

One of the things that’s truely amazing about Loser Baby, is that it’s an illustration of a real technique used in therapy, Acceptance and Commitment Therapy; accepting what is happening and being mindful of yourself, ei “I’m a loser, I’m shmoozer, I’m a fucked up whiney bitch” it’s accepting instead of denying, I myself have gone through this for sa anxiety depression and my self loathing tendencies in order to stop denying things and actually get help without feeling like I’m in danger

[@meganm.matthewslpcccgt6120]

I am a therapist in private practice who uses both ACT and popular media in my therapy room, and I love that you recognized Loser Baby as an illustration of ACT.

[@yuuhikonn4384]

lmao had very much not expected to use my sociology class like, ever again, but here we stand! the whole ‘angel is playing a role and it’s a theater and it’s both real and an act’ is actually something that was studied by Goffman, a canadian sociologist. He published the books (63) and (61). While there are always criticisms that can be made about this or that work, there are excellent analysis (i mean it’s being taught in year 3 of uni in France 63 years later, it does hold some weight) (all that to say it’s not just bs someone said after a bad observation). What he said basically is life is theater and everyone is in constant representation. We play a character for others, but to make this character convincing, we also have to be that character. So we’re both the role, the act and the actual person behind the mask. We are aware it’s an act but also we are the act. which i think ties pretty well into what you were saying about Angel Dust and the whole it’s an act but it’s not fake narrative. For his book , Goffman did a study inside an asylum because he believed it to be a total institution, an institution with full control over one’s life and activities at all time (that was 1961, idk how it is today). he observed that, basically, people would take a role to survive there. either by embracing the role of the good patient (take ur meds, be kind and respectful and hope to get out of there) or by embracing the stigma (which i believe is developed in the essay ) (altho i haven’t studied that one) and playing the insane patient. It’s also been seen with gay people embracing the stigma of hyper sexualized, feminine men with high pitched voice and yk what i’m talking about. This maneuver of embracing a stigma is a powerful one because you make it into a power. that’s what angel does, he embraces that stigma and makes it into a power, a controlling force for agency, both in the song Poison and Loser Baby. Goffman also says that, even in that total institution, there are forms of separation between the person and the role as stated earlier. it’s as was said in the video, angel is the act but the act isn’t angel. Two points worth noting of my own cheap analysis rn, is that 1. i haven’t read goffman’s work lmao, my teacher spoke about it for about an hour and i thought it was cool af. 2. angel isn’t in an asylum. i however think that having someone literally own your soul and be stuck without any agency whatsoever (even if it’s only a belief, it does a lot) does compare, to a certain extent, if you squint and look from far away, to a total institution as in it takes your entire life. Of course the solution is different, literally walking out of a facility doesn’t work for angel because of everything else around the character but i still think it’s interesting. And then again, goffman did think this whole theater metaphor applied to each and everyone of us, everyday. extra disclaimer ; i’m not a sociologist, haven’t read or and i’m a total of nobody at all lmao so take this with a grain of salt, as a side analysis to a fictional show. anyway, thanks, i love my classes even if i’ll never have a job, cheers

[@meganm.matthewslpcccgt6120]

Re: never having a job - a degree in sociology can get you into a master's program to become a therapist, wherein you can use popular media therapeutically. Ask me how I know. 😉

[@cldominguez42]

Angel's journey starts with "I'm not sorry."

[@TragicSun]

Trying to help with the algorithm, this video deserves to be reached by more people

[@meganm.matthewslpcccgt6120]

Okay, I'm very familiar with Tarot and I still completely missed that. Love it!

[@lionsgamers592]

Someone just said "No Husk, gambling and addictions are not comparable to SA" about this song. Are people fucking stupid 😭

[@Evyanon]

Husk asking for that drink isn't an issue, because the addiction isn't alcohol. Drinking in a safe space around friends is what Angel needs. The problem is when he goes overboard and becomes drunk and drugged out in dangerous situation, and allows people to abuse him to make himself desirable is what the addiction is.

[@MrSplashMan0]

I sold my soul To psychopathic freak And you think that’s makes you uniiiiiiique

[@KristinHTF]

Get outta here man! We're both losers, baby We're losers, it's ok to be a

[@carmine.yellow3839]

6:42 the way angel words 'you know how much i'm worth?' i think is interesting cuz earlier val says to him 'you're lucky you make me money' as if the only way angel dignifies himself is by reminding himself he's still needed by val, but only in this way

[@meganm.matthewslpcccgt6120]

I actually love that line because of the two different ways the question can be read: "worth" as in money and "worth" as in Angel's self-worth.

[@masen0593]

I want to watch this analysis so bad but i think it would trigger me tbh, I love this show and your videos so I might come back when I'm more stable❤

[@meganm.matthewslpcccgt6120]

Maybe start watching and if you get triggered you can put a pause on it until you've processed it (hopefully with a good therapist). Then continue watching. Lather, rinse, repeat. Yours with all my hopes, from a licensed therapist.

[@foxxiestudio666]

I love how u explained it but this also made me cry like 20 times throughout 😭

[@Gtaberr]

YES! I have been saying this since I heard the song and knew of the context of it! Thank you for this video, thank you so much!

[@MutantAndProud]

This...... is quite possibly the best analysis of Angel's overall situation, and of episode 4 specifically, PERIOD. _WOW_ 🤩 Thank you

[@deandredukes95]

Pride works frequently under a dense mask, and will often assume the garb of humility.

[@schnee1]

this sounds interesting, can you elaborate?

[@deandredukes95]

@@schnee1​​⁠Angel Dusk should allow himself to fall apart so that his friends can help pick him back up and overcome his demons. Don’t let what defines him be his identity and be more than what he proclaims to be. If that makes any sense.

[@nerdyfruitcosplay9547]

While Charlie is advertised as the main character, its very clearly centered around Angel. He's gonna have the most character development especially once he is eventually redeemed. The whole story is essentially gonna follow his journey to a better life- man's IS the main character

[@sneakingfox11]

if only amazon didn't limit the amount of episodes their animated shows maybe the rest of the show wouldn't feel so rushed ugh this episode is an example of how good this show really could be if it had the ability

[@acutetrashcan2950]

Thank you for covering this, I love your deep dives on media. Its always hard to find videos that will tackle this topic with tact and grace while still analyzing the show.

[@linahernandez188]

This reminds me of a meme I see that was about how you can take a look at some artist's oc and immediately say Which one is their favorite by the amount of detail they put in that character in comparison with the others ... Angel dust is that one favorite oc in terms of script

[@erinw1256]

I absolutely LOVE Angel Dust. Not because I relate to him on a super personal level, but because he seems so real. When I first watched the pilot back in 2019, I actually didn't like him. He seemed 1 note. The joke character, but sex jokes instead, because it's edgy. Not really my thing. It wasn't until I saw the Addict music video, that I realized there was more to him. So I started looking into his backstory. And it's so incredibly sad. But I'm really happy they not only started to explore it in the first first season, but also were allowed to do it in this way. Masquerade is a very hard watch. I still find myself clenching my jaw and getting upset when rewatching it. But that's the point. It's so raw. Or, at least as raw as it needs to be to get the point across without overdoing it. And I'm so glad you were able to do this deep dive to explain it. This deep dive was very well done. I know Vivienne already confirmed that in season 2, we'll learn more about some of the characters to find out what they did to go to Hell. And I hope one of those characters is Angel Dust. And I really hope that if Angel is one of those characters, you do another deep dive like this on him. I'm sure it''ll be just as good, if not better than this one.

[@FengNirothar]

Episode 4 was something special... I had heard all the music before watching the show, and adored Poison from the first moment I heard it, but now... Every time I hear it, I tear up, because of how it was actually shown in the episode it self.

[@jaimemorris4768]

This was my favorite episode! I'm so happy you did an analysis on it! especially Husk's reasoning for the "You're a Loser" bit. It surprised me and didn't really make sense when I watched the scene. In this way Angel can strengthen himself in uncomfortable situations without completely isolating himself. On my on I thought it the episode was great, but I couldn't put my finger on it as to why. Its so cool to have it broken down why it works so well.

[@vasgolyo2005]

This analysis vocalized my feelings and unworded thoughts about the episode perfectly. Thank you for making it

[@wren7101]

I think like the reason Husk says "how about that drink?" at the end of the episode is to kinda let Angel know that talking to the bartender is still an option that is available to him. But in a way that isn't a direct offer of help, since the directness is what makes Angel so nervous. Kind of like "We had this big vulnerable moment just now, so let's wind down and calm down, and we can unpack it all if you want to. My door is open either way."

[@willio7878]

this was so well put together. every part of your analysis hit home

[@nervousdisposition7150]

I think everything you said about Angel and his coping mechanisms is *so* right. As a survivor, something we learn about is that there's not just fight, flight, freeze responses to traumatising situations, but also *fawn*. Fawn is exactly what Angel is doing - where you appease the abuser and do what they want and more just for survival. It can be really tricky to pull apart whether you want to actually do those things or not because well.. you do... but only in the same way you want to give the man mugging you all your money. It's probably why Angel also feels like the pstar personality is his, because you can convince yourself that you're freely choosing those things.

[@Its_Your_Local_Loser_Baby]

This had me smiling the whole time... this is a video that doesn't just connect with Angel's perspective, it resonates with everyone putting on an act - I felt this in my core. You have earned a well-deserved subscriber. Looking forward to more of your content

[@zlg703]

bro ....20:00 .....I kinda start crying....gosh when you're concerned with that type of mindset it hits hard to hear it like that. Even so i know it can't be (by logic) I trully believe that I have no worth and that I am the problem (no matter the situation or the nature of the issue). It is rootted in my mind that it might be my fault if I deserve nothing in live dispite every thing happening.

[@gerbilfluff]

I only saw Hazbin for the first time last month, and had to watch anything past Ep.4 WITH my therapist, as Angel and I have had such similar ridiculously-bleak backstories with regards to s work/addiction/multiple kinds of abuse, Ep.4 alone had me having flashbacks for a week. I'm glad to have found this video, though-- you've managed to put into concise words, many time-worn patterns of behavior I've been trying to change about myself for nearly a decade now. Thank you for the help in my continuing to work on this Rubik's Cube of a past I've got. I'm happier by now, in my 40s, than I've ever been-- but I'm always, always learning. ❤

[@cartoonhyperfixated]

Dude, I love how much detail and depth you talked about in Angel, I really enjoyed watching this

[@sullyguille]

Man this deep dive was fantastic. I feel like I was able to either conciously or unconciously cach up on some of these themes but here they are and you've perfectly explained every single one of them. It's definitely a video I'll have to rewatch. I also really agreed on the point that Hazbin does have a buch of floppy writing on most episodes, but oh boy not this one. I hope this writing style can be atributed to time and money restraints that will be toned down for season two and we get some satisfactory continuations to the stories at play

[@SandwichPuncher]

Thank you for putting all of this in words. From the moment I saw this episode, i automatically could relate to it more than I liked. And I knew the execution of it was pretty good. To see this analysis and all the points made. It’s great. Admittedly made me cry more than once, due to how much more eye opening it was to hear it laid out. Keep up the good work!

[@doe9000]

omg this answered all of my questions, i wish i could find more content like this that goes into such great detail in scenes. I am constantly missing details or not picking up on them

[@sfglim5341]

This is one of the best analyses ive ever seen, keep up the good work your channel is so incredible!

[@pineneedle116]

think part of why Husk offer Angel a drink, is because he isn’t sober either. They’re both alcoholics, and though Husk was able help Angel in this episode, he still has his own issues to work through.

[@jessicaziegler7195]

Omg I was so hoping you’d do an analysis on Angel Dust 😍😍 Thank you thank you!!! You nailed it and I’m sobbing 😭🙏🏻

[@s.a.w_r2081]

I love characters that look simple at first glance but end up being complex and rich in character you just have to find it first

[@briannenurse4640]

You always have such good insights! Thank you so much for this amazing video!

[@alexelion7084]

Thank you for this video! I can't put all my thoughts into words right now, I might comment them later, but this analysis was really helpful, both on a writing and on a personal level

[@LesRymbaBymba]

Dude this gave me a whole new perspective of Angel and Husk beside from "you're not alone, so why not suffer with me"

[@noxusmukuz0620]

Everytime when I tell people that angel is relatable they are just saying ARE YA GAY?? (yes. and it is a big thing apperently) this video left me crying dude! Ilove your contents

[@colinsemi]

I fricking love this deep dive, good work dude :D

[@sad_hedgehog]

concerning "act doesn't have to be fake" thing. among people with chameleon personalities (just like me, heyoooo) there has been discussion about "the masks i wear are many, but every one of them is still ME". as a person with trauma concerning control and loss of agency, i don't know whether my personality has been varped by the experiences, but it's still rings true. when i am faced with an abuser or a person with traits i percieve as a threat, my complacency and fawning behaviour is sincere. i really want you to be happy, i do wish you good things - the fact that out of this i will get to be safe is subconsious. when i am copying you attitude, getting louder and sillier or quieter, or taking a role of a 'leader-friend' - it's not fake, i do really feel good getting to be the 'funny one', the 'safe one i can go to', 'the one with the answers', and i do feel funny/steady/confident. i feel even more so. it's broader than angel's mask, but i think it fits. i think he does drugs&gets drunk while leaning HEAVILY into enjoying it. it's a matter of lying to yourself and yourself knowing you are lying, but letting it go. untill the moment when it's too much or too fucked up when the inner voice comes online to aknowledge how it hurt or how disorienting stuff is.

[@Nangqtut]

You have opened my eyes! Great video, my opinions of this episode were shallow before but you have changed my mind.

[@UnicornPlantMonster]

Please keep making videos, I live for these

[@ilikeyoutube7224]

Yes, being diagnosed was extremely helpful for me because "if there r others like me..i can be helped" It also said "ur struggles, the things uve been feeling, theyre real" So just like u said, knowing ur not the only one is so incredibly validating

[@referencetosomethingilike5525]

This is an excellent analysis! Absolutely love this breakdown!

[@modern_eel]

This is so astute, an amazingly accurate breakdown of this episode. Thank you!

[@porp685]

i really like this analysis :) thank you for putting a lot of these thoughts I'm sure many of us have had towards angel dusts character into words. I've recently been pondering Angel dust and Astarion from baldurs gate 3, and this video has nourished me, (it also helps me contextualise a lot of my own experiences, feelings and patterns and such old and new - so thank you for the insights lol)

[@NerveUnderscore]

Love your analysis, I will watch this a bunch of times more. And then I will show it to my friend when we can watch Hazbin Hotel together

[@artisticpigeon]

This honestly really helped me better understand myself and some of my past experiences. I honestly really liked episode 4 (not for the content but for the fact that i related so heavily to Angel), and I partially have you to thank for helping me see why Great video as always, keep up the good work ^^

[@Natevenomwithin]

One of the best analysis yet for not just the song but for them as characters tbh 🤘🏼