The Deprogram Episode 25: Viet Minh? More like Viet Win (Vietnamese Socialism Ft. Luna Oi)

[@medli7725]

If you tried to write a novel where people dump gallons of food because they can't make money off it, people would call it stupid and unrealistic. That shit wouldn't make it past an editor, but it's how our actual society works.

[@minhducnguyen9276]

There will be a days Americans will wish they still keep the government cheese program.

[@alexisgarcia1344]

That's the most frustrating thing about "experts". Many of them are removed from the communities they say they represent. Its WORSE when it comes to academic circles as well. Nevermind, being a woman or a BIPOC person.

[@nanothrill7171]

y'all should have luna on regularly.

[@avigailpekelman8239]

Agreed

[@alkmibeats2133]

Agreed too

[@redrighthand2]

agreed as well

[@jadasakura]

Yes!!

[@jugnot_was_taken]

very much agree

[@ryanatkinson2978]

As a person currently living in a tent in America, it's not enough that I'm dealing with surviving in the elements on the Oregon coast in winter, but I also have to worry about people stumbling on me and attacking me. I'm camping in the national forest, which is legal to camp anywhere in (with some stipulations). It's very isolated but I've had 4 people come across me Last week, some couple was exploring at 5am for some reason, and found my stuff and started rummaging through it. It was my food, which I keep away from my tent to avoid bear encounters They followed the path to my tent and the dude was like "oh I live for shit like this". I thought I was about to be attacked by random reactionaries, or that it was the police and they were coming to remove me or falsely accuse me of something There's nobody here to witness, after all But they apparently were just checking on me. Which I guess I appreciate but like it's 5am lmao. But the fear I felt in that moment, knowing I had absolutely no power, and that if my camp were destroyed I'd be fucked... I couldn't sleep after that Every time I leave, I pray that all my stuff will still be there when I get back. I have to constantly fight to keep everything dry, but almost everything is damp. I'll be getting out of here soon though (I hope)

[@KekusMagnus]

That' just dreadful. I hope you escape this hell soon comrade.

[@waspwrap1235]

Support to you comrade from the east coast

[@King-of-Corvids]

Hope your safe comrade ❤

[@skippyzk]

Loser

[@valorieya]

your struggle will not be for naught, comrade. stay safe,

[@ghettoguero2396]

I live in the Bay Area, and the open human misery of people forced to survive on the streets is soul-crushing.

[@skippyzk]

Bone of them are forced they just want to do drugs. I was homeless from 2008 to 2012 I've talked with 100s of homeless from Maine to New Orleans

[@minhducnguyen9276]

11:11 You forgot to add that in case there were too much donated rice, the local goverment will just send it up to the goverment of the next higher level and they will tranfer it to nearby areas where there were still not enough donated food. This reduce the time the food will stay in storage and spoil.

[@minhducnguyen9276]

Update: The president of Cuba just visited us to discuss further economic cooperation and technology transfer. My uncle who is the director of the Institute for food crops of Hai Duong, a province next to Hanoi, told me he's currently in charge of training like 14 Cuban technicians to get them familiar with the breeds we gave then, to provide maintenance and improve upon by themselves. And the Vietnamese government paid for all of that. My professor in the plant genetic class also had to relocated some of our class sessions because she had to meet some Cuban guests to introduce them to our facility.

[@dizzymetrics]

fuck, only 7 minutes in and I want to cry glad there is solidarity abroad, you people give me hope

[@juliekersten6050]

excellent video. I really enjoyed listening to Luna. I'm looking forward to her book because an easy to read version of Marx would be wonderful I picked up a free copy of Capitol and dang... that is wordy. I swear 19th century writers are too long winded. With that said, I can't wait for the concise version. Thank you in advance. It's nice to hear from a Vietnamese person about what it's like to live there. I'm the child of a Viet Nam veteran. Thankfully my father was support personnel stationed in Germany and never saw battle but he was still drafted into that mess. I have a lot of perspective on what it's' like for those who came back to the US so I find it very interesting to hear from people in Viet Nam about their side of the conflict because you know we only ever hear from the American perspective. You talked about how Americans go to Viet Nam to get health care. It's really sad that with the USA being so proud of the military , they can't even provide good health care to the people who fought for the country. I've seen lots of videos promoting how rich Americans should move to Viet Nam and retire because they can live on so little. That really irks me because they can have the money and mobility to move to another country that's socialist, benefit from it, avoid US taxes and leave the rest of here to deal with the US. It's another sad situation

[@ethanhoefler181]

American Dairy farmer here, or at least the son of one. While the market and attempting to raise milk prices was a large part of the drive for farmers to dump milk, another part, or at least what I was told was another part, was bottlenecks within milk processing systems. It still was in no way right and this experience, seeing perfectly good, edible(?) milk running down the drain was a large part of my radicalization process

[@hansfrankfurter2903]

Late comment, but what do you mean by "bottlenecks with milk processing" ?

[@gelinrefira]

@@hansfrankfurter2903 Probably they couldn't pasteurized or turn all the milk into cheese before the milk goes bad.

[@hansfrankfurter2903]

@@gelinrefira oh i see! Do you think those bottlenecks are related to how the capitalist system works?

[@gelinrefira]

@@hansfrankfurter2903 They don't like to build redundancies because it cost money and only comes up useful when there is an emergency. If there is no emergency this quarter, it will be looked upon as waste in the next quarter.

[@ryanatkinson2978]

The story about the military assistance in Ho Chi Minh City, and the western immigrants being freaked out, the US literally does the same thing. Although it's usually much less helpful (but those sort of people don't tend to see it that way). During disasters, the national guard gets deployed to "help" the victims of natural disasters. But that's usually just making sure the OUT OF CONTROL POORS don't USE THIS AS AN EXCUSE TO LOOT AND STEEAAAALLL and start the PUUURRRGEEE. The strategy seems to be "control the wild population first, help second"

[@jadasakura]

Cuba also has an amazing disaster preparedness and response program, particularly for hurricanes. It's why they suffer so few hurricane deaths despite being in the middle of the Caribbean

[@hoboroadie4623]

After the Almeda Fire, the National Guard was posted on the roadways and we had to go up twenty miles of rough gravel roads through the mountains every time we wanted to get back to our unburnt house from the store. Brainless.

[@ananas_fin161]

Greetings from Finland, Based podacast.

[@TheDoubleBee]

Oh, today's gonna be a great day. Not only is a new episode out, there's also The Deprogram Live #2 scheduled for later.

[@Buddhistsocialist]

This episode was the cure for my hangover. Thanks boys

[@Rahshu]

Sweet! I The title initially only appeared in an abridged form, so when I heard in the audio that Luna was going to be the guest, I was ecstatic! Hearing about Vietnam is amazing because you don't often hear about it (certainly not positively). I can't wait until the translation project is complete. That will be a treat. May Day ki jai ho!

[@person-yu8cu]

This had to be one of the best deprograms yet.

[@m1903rotc]

I need a 10 hour loop of the theme music.

[@dot2336]

come on, you can put it on loop yourself, search for the theme song itself and then look for a longer version for it as much as possible, then loop. I don't think there is a 10 hour version, this show is not dedicated enough for it.

[@avigailpekelman8239]

We all need this

[@hangonsnoop]

To me it sounds like the PFLP song "The Red Banner is Raised".

[@samsadowitz1724]

As an American, my mind has been repeatedly blown with how good the socioeconomic structure in Vietnam sounds... I'm quite jealous. I also thought I'd mention a bit of irony in Vietnams history. The US actually gave weapons and aid to Ho Chi Minh during WWII to fight the Japanese.... only to attack them 20 years later.

[@emanuelneagu14]

True, the US did that but that's not much. In WW2, Romania literally turned weapons around against their former fascist allies, that happened in a few days, not 20 years.

[@samsadowitz1724]

@@emanuelneagu14 didn't know that, but the irony remains in both situations. And one reason the aid to Ho Chi Minh wasn't much was that he was openly communist and the red scare was alive and well.

[@emanuelneagu14]

@@samsadowitz1724 indeed.

[@minhducnguyen9276]

@@emanuelneagu14 On the other hand, the British empire released their Japanese POWs in Vietnam who just surrendered a few months before right after 1945 to supress the revolution to help the return of French colonialism. Interesting choice of allies you might say.

[@emanuelneagu14]

@@minhducnguyen9276 yeah right, imperialists never blink an eye before allying to save their empires.

[@-kaster--kaster-6090]

It good to see your podcast grow every week a few weeks ago you guys had less then 10k subs .

[@ThrowingCrunchy]

Yay! Comrade Luna Oi!!! Great guest, looking fwd to the live show! Happy may day!

[@Ajente02]

Great episode. I'd also have loved to listen about the Doi Moi reforms, the distribution of land in Vietnam, and how the political system is organized. Hopefully she could come back in another episode in the future, or invite you to her channel. Luna Oi is a treasure for worldwide Marxists!

[@1May1312]

Happy birthday, Luna!

[@waspwrap1235]

27:08 this is completely insane. In my area of the USA, a 50 m² studio apartment would cost at least $1400. No wonder why there is so many Expats retiring in Vietnam.

[@wister8528]

this makes me wanna move to vietnam. imagine having a government that's not batshit insane and corrupt

[@Blessed_V0id]

I have fallen in love with Vietnam and Cuba because of this podcast

[@waspwrap1235]

Same man

[@DarrenSmith-j8m]

learning that super markets and farms need to throw out so much fucking food because of profit incentive gave me a mind fuck when i was like 13. I thought that maybe they should just give it to a different orginisation so they can distribute that food to homeless people or something but ofcoarse throwing out food is cheaper and quicker than doing all of that.

[@justinwest4923]

Omg this was recorded when I read still under a rock. For several months now, I've been wondering when Luna would be invited on!😂😂😂 Can't believe I haven't discovered this until now.

[@ChristopherBower]

Please, let us know when Luna Oi's book is available. I saw it is still not in the description. I'll also keep an eye out on the Luna Oi channel. Thank all of you in advance!

[@m4chines]

loved that you guys could have luna oi on! shes one of my absolute favorite channels so this episode was very enjoyable

[@jadasakura]

This! Luna has my second favorite channel on KZbin, right after Bianca Graulau

[@helenahrebeljanoviccipras]

i loved having luna on 💜 🌸

[@trasda2475]

Brilliant episode, as always. Regarding the point JT made towards the end abou the display of authority found in the voice of a flat American accent, I’ve been thinking about this for a while and i think the origin of this comes from the notion that anything that comes from the imperial core is the “default” or “neutral” one and anything else, usually from peripheries, are a tainted or altered versions, not necessarily in a negative light tho sometimes definitely in that sense. For example, the term “classical” in classical music. If there wasn’t the inherit racism in the term, this would have referred to the period, but obviously 15th century arabic music isn’t considered classical. This can also be seen throughout the simplifications of cultures as basic aesthetics (Saeed says hi). Donno if anyone will read this but i had to get it out ❤

[@chopperandwithapilotnameds7974]

This episode of the podcast is very informative and fun. W podcast

[@kailawkamo1568]

I knew it's only a matter of time she got on here 😍

[@MrTubaplayer123]

Laughing along with your jokes is really great, thanks guys

[@JohnSmith-vm8rx]

The Deprogram, can you guys do a segment about education. Would love to hear your guys takes on this topic please.

[@jansecj9472]

Great EP, great guest!

[@hangonsnoop]

Glad to hear from Luna.

[@johan4593]

Damn, Alexa rude as hell for cutting Luna off like that

[@andren55]

Looking forward to visiting Vietnam!!!

[@fun_ghoul]

21:22 Also, the British Army on the bones beneath the occupied six northern counties of Ireland.

[@jokerwick]

I like Luna Oi and I don't want to be pedantic, but her description of pre-Chinese Vietnam sounds much more like Marx's description of primitive communism during the stages of development of private property. "The second form is the ancient communal and State ownership which proceeds especially from the union of several tribes into a 'city' by agreement or by conquest" from The German Ideology I think the syndicalist ideology or model actually arose from associations of trade unions under the material conditions of industrial capitalism in the late-modern period

[@avigailpekelman8239]

Very interesting

[@Lildoc911]

Great guest! I want to learn more about Vietnamese culture. All I know is pho, and that's only recent.

[@person-yu8cu]

My dad was also studying in the soviet union, but I think it was a bit later than you ppl

[@jadasakura]

Don't know if I'll ever be able to decide which episode is my favorite, this or the interview with Lady Izdihar. Maybe one day for a big celebration you can have all the best guests back for a giant panel? That would probably be chaotic, but in a good way

[@garyfookins9968]

Please update link in description for her PDF download! awesome episode, so great to learn about vietnam from someone who lives there, thank you.

[@ashtonvellow9885]

Can't wait to read that!

[@jugnot_was_taken]

the fact that she knows more about her history than most americans is cool

[@MechanicalRabbits]

you forgot to link the books on the description!

[@logans3365]

I’d like to read it as well. any news on the book?

[@MidiX2]

Thank you LUna_oi that was very good! Viatnam is a great place. But i am to poor to start to live there.

[@fun_ghoul]

1:01 _"...just in case anyone's been living under Iraq..."_

[@securityostrich]

Hearing about Vietnam absolutely cracking down on real estate corruption/speculation, whilst building millions of affordable homes for working class as a Canadian makes my fucking blood boil with jealousy. Apparently we can't manage to build anywhere near enough housing here, despite importing hundreds of thousands of foreign workers to suppress wages and be exploited each year. It's disgusting and sad the state of my country. We have so much to learn from Vietnam.

[@anmolt3840051]

"Home-ownership rates" could quite easily be a red herring if nobody lives where they own their home. So consider if A owns a home in city X and B owns a home in city Y but A lives in city Y and rents from B and B lives in city X and rents from A, then between the two of them, the home-ownership rate is 0% Home-ownership rates would also be a red herring if the homelessness rate is very high Of course, old and retired people for example will always live in the house they own, if they have one

[@liviszhang1652]

1:28:30 and British accent as well

[@gelinrefira]

Throwing away food because it is not profitable to sell and refusing to donate it because you can't make money anyway and to prevent a market saturation with food while people are having hard times and some are even starving, is evil. It really is an evil ideology.

[@SlickNinja1984]

@thedeprogram9999 When Maui was on fire, the Navy and FEMA tried to block boats of supplies sent by the working class to the people of Maui. And some even tried to sink these boats. The Bourgeois was pissed Maui didn't rely on them.💯

[@worshipthecomedygodseoeunk4010]

i loved vietnam when i visited there. unfortunately, a lot of viet americans are adverse to traveling there because of anti-communist propaganda they were raised with, which they share with me through sad immigration stories. but also they get shamed for losing their culture and leaving to live with imperialists, which is true, but also not really their fault. i live around a lot of hmong people and the memories of historical persecution plus the CIA propaganda from vang pao is very much alive around here. i feel like its a barrier to more asian americans becoming socialists, which sucks because thats like all my friends lol although i would say a good amount of asian americans despise the imperialist notions and hypocritical racism of the u.s. (being forever a "colonial subject", as hakim mentioned) the only problem is that they dont see how capitalism has contributed to it

[@icantaimpg3d776]

Yep, those Vietnamese-American still hold a very ‘yellow’ (yellow is the main color of the flag of the Republic of Vietnam regime) view of the war. Even Vietnamese who move from here to US also hold the same view. Sad to be honest.

[@JordanJumpin]

@@icantaimpg3d776 as a viet american, there are a lot of diaspora who are insanely unhinged q-anonners as well

[@icantaimpg3d776]

@@JordanJumpin yeah, Vietnamese people specifically and East Asian in general are very right-wing

[@paulpujeter6340]

@@icantaimpg3d776I don’t think these Viet’s are the majority, just a loud minority. Most viet americans are centrist/nonpolitical with reactionary leanings. But I’ve been seeing more left sympathizing gen-z viets

[@mintbericrunche9437]

Luna will probably announce the book on her Twitter when it’s out, right?

[@hancarv4705]

Happy Birthday Luna!

[@MC-bu4hc]

Couldn’t help but think of WKUK’s Pope Rap when you talked about religious tax shelters in the US…

[@danha3107]

7:20 (I haven’t heard the full ep but had a thought I wanted to share) maybe that’s another reason why many older viet americans are Republicans. On top of being more traditional/reactionary and fearing anything close to communist rhetoric, Reps have associated themselves with personal freedoms HARD while the Democrats are associated more with larger government

[@bigbubbles55]

Awesome episode.

[@DrEagleTalon]

Seriously why is Luna not a regular. Her and Lady Izdahar would be great regulars

[@adamthethird4753]

Listened on Podcast, commenting and listening again for algorithm gods.

[@avigailpekelman8239]

For the algorithm!

[@nox12566]

YESSSS MORE GIRL BOSS COMMUNISTS

[@yurigadaisukida4457]

I live in Las Vegas. You cant go anywhere without encountering homeless people

[@Mortavita]

AAAA THIS IS GOING TO BE AMAZING

[@West3720]

I would like to see more interviews of people living in socialist countries

[@waspwrap1235]

Same. I think there is still a problem with bias in thinking that the problems in your society were dramatically less affected by sanctions and dramatically more affected by government faults when we literally have the archives to disprove that.

[@dl-zf9dj]

❤❤❤

[@juliekersten6050]

I also wanted to add that I love Luna's accent. Her English is excellent. You don't need a token white guy to make your videos acceptable.

[@StateholderofLunt]

Noooooooo! I liked the banter before the theme song!!!! I 😭😭😭😭

[@fun_ghoul]

I think there was one other epi like that...

[@Ajente02]

@@fun_ghoul The one with RevLeft Podcast. Both guest episodes.

[@fun_ghoul]

@@Ajente02 Ah, gotcha. Thanks for the encyclopedic reply!

[@logans3365]

Any news on the book? I’d love to read it

[@ghettoguero2396]

Living in a capital city and only paying a fifth of your income…I can’t conceive of that.

[@danha3107]

the idea of a tactical white dude just cracked me up 🤣🤣🤣

[@KekusMagnus]

solidarity to vietnam, let's hope they manage to cure the mental disorder that is liberalism

[@Che_Martin]

Where's the book link??

[@petersutcliffe4927]

Oh my god what the fuck is this show, I love this shit :D :D

[@burnedbread4691]

1:27:50: 75% of the time it's literally Simon Whistler

[@dreadmirror985]

I live in the rust belt. It’s sad. I don’t care if yuppies are moving in, I want actual change

[@waspwrap1235]

What part of the rust belt? I live in Massachusetts, about 500 km from a part of New York considered the rust belt. How are you guys holding up?

[@dreadmirror985]

Cleveland. I will say that edwins is cool because they employ former prisoners, but that shouldn’t be a problem in the first place @@waspwrap1235

[@waspwrap1235]

@@dreadmirror985sounds cool. Cleveland always seemed like a cool place. Nice to be by Lake Erie probably. Get to enjoy fresh water beaches and somewhat cheap cost of living. Boston is fairly expensive ngl

[@robertoprince6804]

Does anyone know where to get the book

[@blinkysky9003]

Kinda late to comment to this podcast. What Luna described in the video of Vietnam is accurate, however there are some negatives (as well as some positives) in the background that she did not mention, but otherwise be very important for us to understand the grey line of why the status of Vietnam is socialist or more of "state capitalists" as argued by some scholars. - Curfew and military assistance in COVID's quarantine: + Yes, the image of the military helping the people in times of crisis is very beautiful, and the majority of people I know appreciate this. However, despite people not hating on the military personnel, they hate on the way the curfew is managed, particularly for big urban cities. Why? Because people have no access to food/medicine due to curfew and deliveries from the state can't barely satisfy the demands. Lots of family in HCMC, particularly those far from main streets, are in lack of supply, and they must sneak out illegally to buy food/supply. It was only later on in the outbreak (~2 months) did the local governments learned that their people are actually starving to start allowing grassroots solutions and people's delivery force to meet the demands. - Military in community service in general: + I followed JT and noticed he made a vid criticized free labor for community service in the central park. Well, military conscription in Vietnam is basically that... Even worse, it is heavily aimed towards the poor due to corruption in drafting prioritizing those with the finance to "afford" not getting drafted. You know how stories of South Korean celebrities being on hiatus due to military conscription? Well, I hardly know any young male Vietnamese celebrity that went to military conscription, or at all. And I have served 2 years as a conscript, and of the thousand of conscript comrades I have served with, barely

[@icantaimpg3d776]

The masses of the people, especially young people like Western style liberal democracy and despise socialism, just look at comments under videos about socialism. Sad to be honest 😢

[@SatanasExMachina]

No audio. Sad, I was so excited too. Guess I'll have to wait for the reupload

[@SecondThought]

Restart your app/browser. There’s definitely audio!

[@flemes9615]

I think its from your end my dude

[@Tetragrammaton22]

People constantly make this mistake. It's like a rite of passage or something at this point. When the video is only a few seconds or minutes old it hasn't actually finished processing yet and the audio is the indicator that this is happening.

[@SatanasExMachina]

@@SecondThought hell yeah! Time to enjoy the smooth sultry tones of The Red Ratpack. Keep up the great work.

[@wales2815]

any news about that book?

[@ceterfo]

Hail algorithm.

[@byronwesley6643]

I'm sorry did Luna just dead ass say that Vietnam had a pre wakanda government

[@nimzomitch]

Does JT look like Kyle K, or is it just me

[@cleverwire1506]

Where do I find the translation of the book that Luna oi helped worked on?

[@hiera1917]

I want to find out how to move to Vietnam please thanks ._.

[@noname-bu1ux]

Man I love these people

[@kaiserruhsam]

bro 40:48 that's a rightwing talking point, the US has more per-capita knife stuff than the UK, bringing up UK stabbings when talking about US shootings is dumb and bad.

[@hoagielamp6543]

Nobody said the UK has more stabbings than the US that's just the UK preferred way of killing people. You're attacking perceptions/ideas that aren't being espoused.

[@minhducnguyen9276]

When you get try to runaway from a statistic to a new one and the new one is just as bad.

[@hoagielamp6543]

It's a joke about the forms of violence in the context of two "free" empires, I'm kinda sad there's people this thoughtless who listen to The Deprogram. They say "stabbing" because more people get stabbed up than shot in the UK.

[@northuniverse]

We have so much freedumb in the US!

[@Dirtsoap]

Probably my favourite episode yet ! The synergy was great. Luna shouldn't just be a guest, just sayin'...

[@zainmudassir2964]

Nice

[@gelinrefira]

Well Singapore has over 90% home ownership and it's a capitalist country. But it achieved that by taking a very socialist approach to housing.

[@TurdInternational]

singapore has race based qoutas on how many minorities can be in an apartment block. that's not socialist, it's national socialist.

[@gelinrefira]

@@TurdInternational You are an idiot if you think that N*zism.

[@ericktellez7632]

Yesterday my guy lost a championship unification bout and was feeling pretty bad but today is now better.

[@trashpanda6885]

Top subscribers: Libertarian :sus:

[@kiesarisunny13]

JT just Sittin’ there

[@waspwrap1235]

Playing video games and not focusing on the discussion at hand

[@sykora9526]

If Vietnam is supposed to be socialist, why is there any rent at all? Is rent not completely against everythin marxism stands for? Why are there homeless people in a country that doesnt have a profit motive? Why are some people poor enough that people have to donate their extra rice to them??? In a socialidt government food and housing is supposed to be a right, something everyone has equal access to, there shouldnt be any disparity in living conditions between people. I'm only about a third of the way through the episode but how are y'all hearing that a socialist country is having capitalist problems and not addressing this?!?!

[@mmg8765]

Luna already said that its not a damn utopia in Vietnam.

[@paulpujeter6340]

If Vietnam enacted even a tenth of what you are suggesting, they’d be economically sanctioned and lose all foreign investment which have been driving their historic economic development. The west would cripple their economy. So they gotta play a delicate game

[@_.violyse._]

oh boy, luna oi

[@mikeyorkav4039]

@Waba Koen to prevent being called a russian bot, lol. Kinda like how many people slap thin blue line flags on their vehicles not because theyre bootlicking fascists but trying to avoid confrontation with the gestapo

[@TheIraqiMarxist]

@Waba Koen what do you mean liberated by Russia? Russia is not communist country and their government is as reactionary and right wing as the Ukrainian government, they're just destroying cities and killing people

[@TheIraqiMarxist]

@Waba Koen To whom are they going to express their beliefs? their cities are destroyed and their people are forced to migrate to other countries, what a great way to liberate them

[@_.violyse._]

@@mikeyorkav4039 mhm! and it's about as effective, too XD

[@shenbapiro1291]

@Waba Koen So glad comrade Putin, true socialist, illegally 'liberated' parts of a sovereign nation. The people living there are surely grateful, the ones who survived that is

[@person-yu8cu]

Nobody is wearing face masks where I am.

[@fun_ghoul]

In Ottawa, pretty similar; "back to normal" for many...

[@person-yu8cu]

@@fun_ghoul lol your banner

[@fun_ghoul]

@@person-yu8cu Thanks, comrade. ✊ The miracle is that the first person to mention it wasn't a fash troll!

[@juliandrews8575]

Okay, so first of all: usually I do enjoy most of your podcasts, but you are just going overboard with the ID-Pol, especially in this one. Also Vietnam's economic sellout program is peak revisionism and you highlighting it like it's no problem is problematic. When you're done with all your anti-american rhetoric, it would've been nice to mention that Vietnam is one of the partners of the US in their drive to combat the rise of China.

[@avigailpekelman8239]

How are they going overboard with identify politics?

[@minhducnguyen9276]

Well China shaked hand with the US first. What choice did we have after the Soviet Union collapsed and China became US partner? To end up like North Korea?

[@xCCCPCLANx]

I think this is actually the exact opposite of ID-Pol, but okay...

[@icantaimpg3d776]

The Vietnamese people yes, the communist party and state no

[@folke_hagall2946]

So you think Vietnam is revisionist and does not deserve our support,but china does???